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This is what I call a gentlemen's dream. This is going for the gold medal, even when you didn't qualify for the Olympics. This is being an absolute thoroughbred.


Even when you're not a horse, because this is the home of your two thousand and thirty Masters champion, I'm Caleb Presley and this is 51 strokes and.


Welcome to 51 Stroke's is Keila, live from Frisco, Texas, today, we are with Coach Cummo, Chris Cuomo, who is the mastermind, the lead architect of my career path. And ultimately, if I do fail, blood will be on his hands. But now we're here. We're in his lab.


He's got it. His whole house is just set up crazy. It's like you walk in the door and then you're just inside of a golf facility. But we did a bit with them for the last two days. Working on some stuff, we do have some videos coming out, we'll have two separate videos. One is from the lab that we're sitting in, which is in his living room, and the other one is a day on the course. So look for those videos.


I'm not exactly sure when they come out. We're aiming for this week, but also we want to be, you know, quality. So either end of this week, beginning of next week, those videos will be out and I'll make sure to push them on social stuff like that. But before we get in there with Cuomo, who if you don't know who he is, one of the top golf instructors in the world, he is helping me.


He is overseeing my progress. He also has, I guess, his talking points or he was you know, he's currently coaching Bryson DeChambeau, who won the U.S. Open. He also was working with Tiger Woods. He's done it all. Been there, done that type guy. So but really cool guy. And we will get into that interview.


But first, let us talk about our presenting sponsor five Vyvyan, who they made this trip happen because five iron sponsoring this podcast is bigger than some people realize. So, you know, you have sponsors and then you have presenting sponsors. Five Iron is our presenting sponsor. That means that they really believe in the vision they're really behind and are really supporting.


And because of them coming in and supporting, we are able to take these trips to Texas or to wherever we need to go to make cool content, me cool people and and take this thing to where we want to go. Also, we did get to meet sidebar. We got to meet Garrett from Good Good Golf, who a lot of people were tweeting at me and saying, oh, you're in Texas, you're in Dallas, are you with the good golf guy?


So we did meet Garrett and hopefully we'll do some content with them going forward. I reached out to him and he hit me back. So we're working on something. So without further ado, let me tell you, five hours. So thank you. They made this happen. You don't know what it is. It's an indoor golf facility. Amazing. The one in New York City. They have three now, New York City. But the new Herald Square location is their flagship.


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The last two weekends I've been there and I just went and it's just a good place, like chill, you could hit some balls, but also they got to have TV's on. They've had the NFL games on huge, big TV screens. They do serve food and beer. But obviously in New York City right now with the Corona laws, they can't. But that will come back some ways. Five iron is amazing. Look them up. And also you get a free hour on the simulator just by telling them follow them on social media at five iron golf spelled out on Instagram or Twitter and just dán them, say, hey, Caleb sent me for fifty one strokes and you'll get a free hour on the SIM, which is incredible.


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It's a great place. Without further ado, Chris Cuomo, live, Frisco, Texas. OK, Coach Cummo, what do you think? Yeah, I'm on the right track. Yeah, I mean, you just started day two, so today's day two, we came down and we're at your your home in Texas, which is really more of like a theme park than a home. And we spent the last two days were pretty worn out. We've been I've taken more swings in the last two days and taken my entire life, probably other than whenever I played 99 holes that we can interrupt everybody.


Yeah. And you taught me a lot of stuff. I have a lot of stuff to work on. And we started with, I think, too much.


I'm a little worried. We kind of I say that we did a lot of stuff you can like a big part of, I think getting better.


The game is the proper pacing of stuff. It's like drinking water from a fire hydrant type of thing or a fire hose. You don't want to, you know, want to be trying to get too much at one time. But I mean, you're fine. We got to a decent place. Towards the end of it all, I'm I'm a little concerned that maybe I threw too much at you on the front.


Like what? What do you think? So. So this is what we did. This is what I'm thinking back to what we did in terms of what you taught me. We did a lot more than this and we'll talk about it. But you taught me grip, which I had never learned before. And then you taught me. Kind of the the difference in how I was swinging compared to using the hockey stick analogy or using the hockey stick and kind of trying to.


I don't know what the terminology would be. I was going to take a swing, but I was swinging before. Yeah, it was just to get your body moving a little bit different. Now that the thing that's interesting because, like, OK, one. I guess it didn't quite realize I thought you were hitting more golf balls than you were, but your body was still recovering and you haven't been to hit a ton of golf balls. So this is like you're saying, this is the most you've hit boss, is that right?


So basically what had happened was when I saw you, maybe summer, late summer. Right. I was rehabbing an injury rehab injury into, you know, through the fall. But then I got super busy with football as my biggest time of the year. So I was traveling every week. And then it kind of just I wasn't getting it. I wasn't doing even all my rehab. I was just super PAC. Yeah. And so once it was all over this January, I started I knew when it comes to you and I knew I had time off from football.


So I started going to call and who works with me in New York City College. And um, and he did a great job, but he had to start from scratch. So we were just we were literally lining up to the ball. He was showing me like, OK, like, you got to put your left hip, high or low.


We talked a little bit about some of the setup stuff we want where you want to put your way. I think I had my weight was like at my heels. Yes. And so he was just doing the very basics and we were trying our whole goal together was to get to the point. And of course, we're hitting on simulator's and we're trying to just get to the point where I had enough work capacity to work with you in terms of being able to hit the ball more than 50 times in a row without being absolutely exhausted, hurting myself.


Yeah. And how do you feel? I feel great. I do think I'm going to be sore, but in a good way. Like muscle soreness. I mostly like probably mid back is that we're mostly oftentimes when people are starting starting out.


Yeah. That whole like core back area. Right.


But not bad anyway. Yeah. But yeah.


So we, we went through and we did grip, we did kind of I guess trying to, I don't know how to say it again like body motion type stuff a little bit and it's really bringing the club down, really feeling like I'm instead of I don't know what I was doing before, I didn't have any thought process behind it, just trying to get the ball swinging almost like purely around yourself without any kind of up and down to them relative to your turn.


And so I was just trying to really focus on on pulling the club down. And then I would say, get your arms down.


Arms down. Yeah. And then squaring the face, yeah, those who I would say are the three main things we did. Yeah, well, I think that's too much.


I think I might have a hard time practicing it without you because I think I could easily hit a good one and then be like, oh, I got it. Really. Maybe don't don't necessarily got it just because I hit a good one. I think that might be dangerous for me.


Yeah, I'm not too worried about that. Like you're a good athlete. So I would trust sort of like where your instincts lead you to a certain extent. If you're hitting a good one, it's probably not too far off.


And then, I mean, you don't want to be like so worried that you're going to break it that you're kind of like tentative with actually just trying to kind of let it go and be an athlete also. So I would just say go with it. You can send me swings if it gets to kind of off and on a direction we don't want to go. I'll jump in there and let you know.


You know, I thought these last couple of days were interesting because this is the first time we've really kind of like done any work, and especially with someone that, you know, I'm going to have like a long term relationship with on the front end. There's a lot of me, like, trying to kind of like feel you out of sorts. It's like see how you process information, how do you react to certain keys? And it was interesting.


Like, you're you're just starting out. Right.


But you're a really good athlete and like, you make changes very quickly to the point where you almost, like, overcook things just like that, which is kind of wild.


Right, because most people on the front end and I'm going to say like a beginning goal for. Right.


Typically they don't like overcook things as much as you do or you did. So that was good for me to kind of like learn that. And again, for me as a coach, I'm just like right now, I think the last two days was really started, that process of me learning you. And as I learned more about you, I'm constantly making more and more updates on my mind in my mind of how to, like, give you information or how to, like, direct you.


And that's going to, in a sense, make me a better coach for you.


As time goes on, I feel like the more time we talk, the more around you, the better coach I become for you in a sense, because the better you know me.


Exactly. When was the last time you had a beginning golfer?


Well, so that's the thing. I mean, I spent a good part of my career like teaching at a driving range and like teaching golfers of all skill level. How long ago was that? Oh probably.


Let's say twenty six to twenty ten. So there's a bit ago. Right.


So I mean I still teach like, you know, recreational golfers and I teach golfers for the most part of all skill level but don't really teach beginning golfers.


I teach usually people were like avid and a twenty handicap can be an avid golfer, but typically a beginning golfer is not an avid golfer. Right. So I usually teach the people who are like die hards who are super into the game.


Right. You are, you are that die hard, but you're also beginning golf. That's pretty rare. So so for me to teach someone who's a beginning golfer again, I spent a big part of my career doing it, but it's been a minute. So it's kind of like, OK, I got to thinking I get a warm myself up a little bit or I hit like it's it's got its its own sort of skill set that's like, OK, I got to get into that kind of like rhythm and flow stayed with it because you're going from I mean we're sitting here and you're in the Chris Cuomo lab and you see all the videos of like Bryson in here destroying balls.


Kyle Workshy, who we're with today on on the course. And then even the other guys are teaching like you're in here with the last night with the GM golf. Are the good, good golf guys come here. And he's really good to. Yeah. And then it might be even jarring to come work with someone like me.


So like, you know, those are all good, good golfers. Right. Like the guys I work with on tour, you know, like teach us Kutty kids that play you tee whatever. But again, like I, I'm not working with just like competitive golfers. I work with a lot of recreational amateur golfers as well who just love the game. But they're like avid golfers, they're constantly practicing. So with you, it's like it's against like literally the second time that you've really kind of immerse yourself into to play in the game.


So it's what do you think was the plan? What's the lay down the framework? What's the plan?


OK, so we collected all this like, you know, whatever bells and whistles, data type stuff on the faceplates on the three motion capture. So I think that's cool. We're not going to, like, dig into that for any sort of analysis. At the end of the day, we're still looking at your swing like a big picture perspective.


They got kind of a bird's eye view of it all, by the way, just to give people an idea of what that was, we can't I came over and they put on I put on basically a. It was like a scuba suit with lights on it with like a little like a selective marker, reflective markers on it. And you have how many cameras are in here? Nine cameras, 10 cameras.


We got nine at night. And they are in there because we had one. It looked like for someone who's trying to picture in your mind, it look like what you see an athlete do. If they're doing some for EA Sports, like trying to be on a video game, it's that mimic of movement. It's the same technology, basically. It's the same technology. Except I asked, is it is this the same technology like. Well, yes, except these cameras are better and there's more sensors.


So, yeah, this is even more. Yeah.


I mean, I don't know exactly what AAA sports uses, but it's the same technology as 3-D motion capture where you markhor up the body. You have cameras that track it and you create like a model of the person.


And you said we were just doing that for what? For like a before and after picture. Yeah.


So, you know, the way I'm envisioning this is X amount of years down the road.


Your golf game is scratch and you've made these incredible improvements be really cool for this whole, like, documentation of it all to see, like in this detailed fashion, all the 3D, all the forces that that are going on your sling and compare that from your starting point to when you get to a closer to an end game, I'll be like, oh, I got to show you this this morning.


So it's like it's like having the before and after of a video except with like X-ray vision of it, like just like super detailed version of it. Quick interruption.


I got to tell you guys about Barstow's new deal with TaylorMade. I don't know if you guys saw, but hopefully everyone knows about the four play guys. They're also covering golf, a barstool, whether they're actually covering golf. Obviously, what I'm doing is a little different, but they're covering golf and they're, you know, the flagship brand of BASTABLE for golf. And they just signed a huge deal with TaylorMade. And they all are like legitimate TaylorMade athletes now, like sponsored athletes like Dustin Johnson and Trent, which is awesome.


And and furthermore, you know, TaylorMade is sponsoring all barstool golf. So that does include us. So thank you first and foremost. But also, I will say I haven't got my clubs yet, so I will be getting some clubs and then I'll let you know how they are.


But I will say today we made it. We made it the utmost importance. Me and Brian from. Uh. Dallas National. We made it our prerogative to only play TaylorMade all day, and we only lost one ball out of respect. We would have lost many more.


But I was like, these are TaylorMade. We can't be losing these. So thank you to TaylorMade. They are the BASTABLE golf brand and they will continue to be the BASTABLE golf brand in Borstel Golf, like it or not, includes 51 strokes. Back to the show.


Did you cover that? Yeah, well, that's brilliant. I thought I was just what you talk about. I was like, that's basically like before and after. So basically I just showed we probably did a break there in the podcast, but I just showed you the video that will be out at this time.


But it was like the progress of the before and after the journey that we're about to go on to have to do it. If we do this, we're going to know each other for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, you'll I'll be. I'll be so when I first go on tour, I'll be all I can see is like your head as a picture of my little shithead, I'll be I'll be 38.


How old are you? Forty three. You'll be fifty three. I don't know why that math was so hard for me to add. Ten years to forty three.




Uh and we did go to week this week to that should be talked about as well. Look ridiculous.


But to see that was hard for me because I came down here, I'm on a radio show every day in New York City to the yak and they're doing Gote week. I'm normally a part of it. I didn't want to get left out of that group of brothers. They're doing something cool. Yeah, they film.


It is pretty easy to do a good week if you don't. It was just a radio show. No. Yeah.


No, they, they're all bad. It's like five guys. They all got good lookin goats and so I don't want to get left out. So I did it. And then just to boost morale, you did it too. So we had goat we down here in Texas today. I didn't it was looking bad. I talked to my mom last night and she was like, what is that?


I know. But like, I've never done a good team. Like, I'll do it. I'm like, OK, I do it in the next year, like either team or Shavon off, but yours looks good, mine looks terrible.


And I also didn't have the you know, have you get like I don't know what you shave with. I got to do raise your kids to have like the little Blake, like the different size blades so you can go closer, closer, closer. I brought my razor but I didn't bring like the the different sized blades, so I got my mustache is too long for my beard.


I'm going two to one ratio, mustache to beard. You see the mustache. That's all you see is a mustache.


Anyway, that's besides the point. So OK, so we're going Deutche for ten years and more. Yep. But what do I do now? Yeah, so I think the first part is, OK, so there's a couple of different things. One is we're going to we're going to build you a golf swing.


OK, so, like, your goal is high. So it's not just a matter of like, OK, get a little bit better. It's like, hey, we're trying to get from like a massive jump in skill. Right. So a big part of it is we're going to basically engineer you a golf swing over time. That's going to take time, though, right. And I think, you know, we start the process like like I was saying before, of like all the 3D and video, et cetera.


We did a little bit of stuff swing wise. Yesterday, you caught me by surprise with how quickly you made changes and how you had this propensity to overcook them. So now it's like, OK, I got it. I got to know that. And that's going to start shaping the way that I'm going to coach you and kind of like organizing all this. So the game plan, like, you know, there's like this rough game plan in my mind, kind of going into it.


But then pretty quickly, I'm going to have to call an audible because I have new information and I didn't really have before. Right. So this is where after this last couple of days, you know, my game plans to be kind of slightly tweaked. And I think it's just an it cost to be continued to be refined as we spend more and more time with each other. But two parts. One, there's the engineering, a GOSSLING. So we're going to kind of set forth that plan of like how to really make this thing the whole swing evolve.


And then there's also just like the, you know, a little bit of educating yourself on how to diagnose like shots like you see this.


This means this. You see that. That means that. And we did a lot of that today because a big part of this is you are going to have to practice on your own and you want to get the most out of your practice time. And the way to be able to do that is to be able to take what the ball is doing, what the shots are doing, and to make a halfway decent diagnosis of that to what that means you did to the ball so that every rep means as much as possible from a learning perspective, if that makes sense.


Yeah, right. So that's kind of what I think we did a lot of today was was really talk through, OK, you know, you hit the shot. It means this you hit this shot means that just a little bit like that type of stuff. And then just in general, just like you got to get reps of just like how do you deliver this club into the ball? So it was very kind of like simple just kind of skill building of like, you know, get the bomb the arc a little farther forward, OK?


You know, you're hitting this part of the club, try to hit this part of the club. Very simple stuff of like how to control the club head relative to the ball to get a halfway decent strike, little stuff like how to like manipulate the face if it's curving one way. You need a little bit more of this to straighten out that curve. It occurs the other way, a little bit more. This just kind of fine tuning your feels for that, which, again, we're very much on the front end of that.


And that's the stuff that as you hit balls very quickly, you'll get a lot better at that. And then once I think you have a decent sense of just how to even hit a golf ball, then we can start to go deeper and deeper on the swing building side of it.


Is there a difference in how you would coach someone who's like me or me who has like. The highest aspiration someone could have versus how you might coach someone else who is just an avid golfer but just loves the game of golf and wants to improve.


Absolutely. So much of the way I coach is relative to the person's goals, because at the end of the day, you know, if some let's just say four numbers, let's just call you a 20 handicap, OK? And if you have a 20 handicap who's like, hey, I got a club championship in a weekend, which I'll play a little bit better. You don't need to be super invasive to get them to be a little better, like maybe they slice it and you just need to kind of tweak that ball flat a little bit.


Maybe it's a little bit shirking work, whatever. You can get them a little bit better for this weekend kind of thing that they're getting ready for, right. For you. You're saying I want to go from a 20 handicap to a scratch golfer.


That's like a massive jump that doesn't come from making little tweaks, that comes from fairly invasive of coaching to again, build you a golf swing. So that's going to be like work. It's going to be like, you know, training your body in a way to be super dynamic training, you know, building your swing. And the thing is. In the short run, there can be a lot of sort of like, I guess, Paines with that potentially because you are being invasive, you're going to be making yourself feel uncomfortable to make these sort of big kind of like jumps and skill level.


So that's not always kind of what a recreational golfer wants to to take on. So a lot of ways, yeah, you're coaching that person per what they want, what their goals are and structure game plan based upon that and also the constraints of their life. Not everybody can allocate a ton of time to getting better at the game. I got three kids and got a promotional work. You know, good luck trying to spend four hours a day practicing golf.


Well, that's another thing, is that I think that I'm not going to and I don't want to put extra pressure on you more than there already is. I don't think I'm going to be able to have kids until I'm pro choice.


So because once I have kids, I'm not going to go broke. So that's that's a that's a dedicated that's a dedication. Well, I'm just saying.


So if we don't do accomplishes in 10 years, I'm going to be like, hey, look, I don't have kids.


I'm more than. Do you think you will buy time on pro? I don't think I think we should make a pack.


And you're not allowed to have kids either.


It's about, oh, it's going to take a lot of time.


I know that. I know that. But yeah, I was just wondering because it's like the my biggest fear coming into this weekend was that you would think, all right, well, this is how he swings it. So let me look at how he swings it and then let's let's, you know, modify it based on how we how he's already doing it. And I just wanted to tell you, like, there's nothing about what I'm doing that I am married to or even feels comfortable.


Comfortable to me. Yeah.


Yeah, I get it. I don't feel like we got as we didn't get super deep into this rebuilding stuff yet. But again, this was like me feeling you out and this is the before picture. Yeah.


And I got a lot of information on how you're going to process stuff. Right, because like it like I should do something and then pretty quickly you're overdoing it, which is really good information to have. But now, you know, I have a lot of that kind of ideas of how I go about this.


But it was based upon having that experience with you the last couple of days, it's almost better if anyone knows anything about before and after pictures. You actually want to look as fat cartload carb load and do not go into signing Okita. You want to look as bad as possible. So we might have accomplished that in a major way.


Cartload notan don't shave. Yeah, exactly. Have bad camera angle, bad lighting and I think we did that this weekend. Yeah. So especially on the first because at first when I first walked in here and had to do the. The gears, this was called, right, that the three dimensional 3-D motion capture or gasp, I didn't even really warm up and I was like just hitting balls. And it was a true, terrible look at how I swing.


You were standing over here. You had the net set up and I hit to.


I didn't even go in the net in my wall. Yeah, yeah, so instead that your walls are going to look like Swiss cheese and it was kind of you know, we got a couple of spots, Avery.


I think it went to everyone in here, swingingest toward the place up, especially when the hockey stick came out. Hockey stick. Yeah, hockey stick came out.


Everybody's got to, like, nice snapshot. Snapshot, right? Yeah. Not a slapshot now. Yeah. Snapshot.


Not a a shot. Not a reshat. Not snapshot. Snapshot. It's right. Yeah.


You told me. You said the hockey players probably translate best of all athletes. I think so. Why is that. Because of the slapshot. I think.


I think a slapshot like from the way your body works is probably the closest to like all the major sports is closer to like a Gossling of how you'd want to work your body. And Goslee, it seems like and I haven't seen it, this is like true, statistically rare, but it seems like hockey players and pitchers tend to make the best golfers.


If you're looking like professional athletes, I think pitchers because one, it's it's like it's so different that you don't have like that sort of like, you know, almost like cross talk from like what you do in your professional sports, like what you're doing as a golfer. There's not that kind of like confusion because it's almost too close in a sense. And then pitchers, obviously, they work only like, what is it, one every four games or something like that or four days.


I wonder if there's any power hitters like like home run hitters. Basically, there are even decent golf.


I remember an old Golf Digest swing sequence with Mark McGuire and he had like a good looking swing. I don't know how his game is, but he I mean, he had a pretty good swing. So I would imagine he smashed a pretty good I think Ken Griffey Jr. smashes it to smash it.


But it's like you would think that it would, especially for a current player who's who has to, like, play it, you know? So that's a good point. It's just such a different mechanic than a baseball.


Just the way you square the face is so different with a well, I should say this with a baseball, you don't have to square the face because don't have a face to square. Right. Right. But with a golf club, you do have to square the face. And I think the problem is that in baseball, you can make like a really good baseball swing without kind of that squaring sort of motion. You don't need it. And then if you make that same swing of the golf club.


The balls go way, right, and then oftentimes the way people like react to that as they come over it or they make some weird version to try to square it up, that's not really what you would see with a really high level golf swing. Right.


So. All right. So we talked about why you said I would put me learning or not learning fast, but being able to incorporate what you're saying. I would say that's far more of a strength and a weakness, right? It is. What do you see? And be honest, you're not going hurt my feelings. What did you see as the biggest weakness are too early to say.


I don't really feel like I mean, the fact that you're new to it, disinherited, like you just I don't know.


That's really a weakness. It's just sort of the reality of the situation. I didn't see there's nothing I saw was like a weakness. I mean, you know, maybe the unknown of your body, like, because you kind of, you know, came out of that one session with some some kind of injury or whatever. So if you just see how your body reacts to, like, starting to get the reps up. Right. But I mean, I don't know if that's a weakness either.


Just kind of an unknown at this point. Right.


Would you would you say, like, I'm I'm not physically limited to accomplishing what I want to accomplish. There's no like, God given you were just born with you know, you're just born with like you got reptile arms or something.


You're never going to be able. I think you got I think actually, if anything like your hand eye coordination, you're like your limbe length ratios, all that stuff is like very much within what you see with good golfers. Good. Really good golfers.


Yeah, that's good. Because that's what that's what I always said about when I tell people, hey, I want to go and I take this to a real level and they're like, there's no way you can't do it. I understand it's a long shot. Everyone should understand it's a long shot, but it's not like NBA or we just go where there is a physical threshold that I would fall under.


Yeah, there's a barrier to entry that you just like you don't have. I'm not going to be a six nine do to jump to the gym ever in my lifetime. Yeah, but that's what I thought about. Golf is like at least I'm not. I'm over the threshold. I felt like you're saying that you agree that that's not going to be what limits me. Correct. Which is good for me too. I like that feeling. I 100 percent agree that.


Now, again, you're right, you're a long shot. But the reality of it is right. But like there have been people who have took up the game late in life who've who've made it at a very, very high level. So it's not like it hasn't happened before and it will happen again. Right. So someone's going to do it again. So why couldn't it be you? Right. So it's not like an impossibility. There isn't someone who's twenty eight, who's six feet, who just picked up basketball made to the NBA.


I don't think that's ever happened. Right. It's like, you know, it is very different than something like that.


Right. And also I want to go on record and say for you, but also for everyone who's listening.


For me, it's not pro or bust. It's not my mindset. My mindset is going to try to take it as seriously and go as hard as I can, but enjoy every part of it along the way and it be awesome no matter what. Yeah.


So if you ask me what is a weakness most better golf most is like the best golfers in the world. Aren't that like well adjusted to have that attitude? So I would say that's a weakness. It's a weakness because you've got to be all or nothing.


Yeah, I can't do like you have to have your whole, like happiness and like self-esteem based upon like your ability to play golf. Well, otherwise you've got no choice. Yeah.


That's not that's not me. It never will be. I can't let that happen because it's like so, so fun.


I love golf so much and I've also done the other way of doing it, like, you know, and I know that the how it can end up. So I refuse to let that be the case. I'm serious as I can be about it, but I refuse to ever even feel disappointed for a day if it doesn't work out.


I like this. You got your goals, but you're committed to the principle of doing it with style points.


Yes, their style points involved in this, I think, which is like preserving a certain level of like appreciation, enjoyment and satisfaction of the jury, which is awesome was the whole reason I started doing it.


So it's like, all right, I'm going to do this because I love doing it already. It's awesome. And if I just. If I do it, but then by doing it, make myself not like it and that I defeated the whole purpose of doing it seems to make sense.


Yeah, we were talking about that in the car on the way over here. It's like, why is there this desire for for from fans to see athletes go out on top?


Yeah, we're talking about like a Tom Brady and it's like they want to see this guy win the Super Bowl and then walk away from the game.


So why would you why would you if you were at the top of the game and you just won a Super Bowl? Who cares how old you are? If you love the game, it's your life and you want to keep playing. You obviously can still keep playing. Why would you what's the purpose of walking away at the pinnacle of a sport?


Yeah, I mean, I think that's a conversation. We had to like so many of these like like peak performers and something like you've been around them. I've been around them. Like it's so much about just immersing themselves in the process. It almost becomes like that. Is there like like walking meditation? That's the Zen is just that process of of becoming really good at something, preparing for games, whatever it is, and whether you're the best in the world or whatever it is, as long as you're capable of doing it, you still enjoy that process.


So that's just what they do. So some like Tom Brady. Yeah, obviously they're motivated to be the best in the world. But so much of I think what really gets them going is that process. And even if they're over the hill, they still crave that process. So they're going to want to do it. They're going to do this as long as they physically can do it without basically hurting themselves.


Do you feel like also the the highest performers are probably the least this might not be true? Well, see, I feel that at top performers are the least tied to the result or they're more tied to the process than they are to the result.


I mean, I think to be completely outside of the results is maybe a little bit kind of like Niyi, right? Like there's still a part of it. Like when you lose, it stings, right? When you win it, it's it's it's it's pretty cool experience.


But I think the day, like, those results are going to be a function of that process. Right. So I think they're really good at immersing themselves in the process. And then you get a result and you experience whatever that is, win or lose, you know, you know, the highs of it or the lows of it or whatever.


And then. That has a duration of time and they're pretty good at letting that go both sides. You know, the thrill of victory cool next season. Let's go again, the process we lost, that sucked. OK, let it go next season. Let's get to the process.


So I think they're very they're again, they're very much kind of like almost like these little nuggets of moment to moment to moment.


Part of those moments are the results of the experience. But then the day it becomes very quickly immersing themselves in that next moment, which eventually becomes again getting into the process of whatever they're chasing.


Did you watch? I think we might have talked about this, but did you watch the last dance documentary? That was great.


And at the end, whenever they say it's kind of the thesis of the whole documentary and docu series and they're like the one thing that separated Jordan was that he was just the most present person that they've ever encountered. Yeah. Is that something that you in like the high level guys you work with, whether it be Tiger or Bryson or whoever? Yeah. Do you think that that's you find that to be true with them?


Yeah, for sure. I think they have, you know, an outcome in their mind, like putting in the maps, like, OK, this is the destination. But then every turn, every moment to try to get there. They're very in that that sort of that that place where they're just experiencing and they're focus on that and in the periphery and their subconscious mind, whatever it is, they have it programmed in where they want want to get to.


But again, to get there, it's going to be the accumulation of a lot of moments and they become very much into those those individual moments.


Do you feel like you're able to do that as a coach? I think so. I think for me, that's kind of like my own Zen is when I'm kind of like in that moment or just coaching. And again, it's sort of a similar thing where it's like you have your goals, you have whatever and like, yeah, they're there. And I could tell you, I guess, what they are. But again, that's just it's sort of that's sort of the magnet to pull you in a direction.


But at the end of the day, it's like it's still about the the kind of the day to day that you can do.


What are your macro goals?


I mean, obviously, I think just to to to be like one of the best coaches out there, a lot of things when it comes like creativity of like expressing ideas I've had with like golf instruction in golf theory type stuff. You know, again, the competitive side with like training competitive golfers, helping them win like big, big tournaments, things like that.


But do you have anything like, I suppose anything specific, anything specific?


Just written like I want to have a guy win the whatever the club championship. I want to have a guy win. I want to win through my career for major events with different players, or I want to win a major event with four different players or anything like that. Yeah, I mean, it's weird, right?


I think I think coaching in a lot of ways is sort of like the art of like whatever the process of of taking on another person's goals and kind of adopting them as your own. And like, really, it's like that's your goal. OK, that becomes my goal. And my goal is to help you reach your goal. Right. That's like part of like coaching. So for me, oftentimes it is like, OK, like knowing the people I coach, you know, whoever it is, Bryson, you college kids, other pros, whatever, what are your goals?


And they become my goals. So, you know, Bryson's got his goals and competitive golf. Those are my goals. All right. You got your goals. Those are my goals. So, you know. I think what those goals are is a is a big function of who do I connect with and sort of take that role as a coach and then again, like those just become basically my goals.


Do you want to be a coach forever?


Do you have any of some fashion? I think I'll always be of always be evolving what exactly that looks like. But yeah, I mean, I think. Yeah, I think everybody needs a coach. I think coaches need coaches, right? So to me, yes, I want to coach. I like having my own coaches and mentors. And I think that sort of that process of like helping other people being helped by other people is just an awesome, like cycle of life.


Who are your mentors or mentor? You know, like I would say, some people kind of like in the business, sort of like hedge fund world. I think that world super. I've had some people be really kind of cool to me in that world and just mentor me when it comes to business or how to how to think of just like high performance in general. And then, you know, in some ways I would even say the players you coach become your own mentors in a way.


Right? It is it's kind of weird sort of loop. You know, I learned so much from the like a guy like Tiger. I learned so much from him. I learned so much working with him. So, you know, again, there's that sort of that weird loop that kind of happens from the pure coaching perspective. I've had lots of great teachers mentor me, Mike Adams, Adam Schreiber. I mean, it's a it's a long list of guys who I would say have had like a big influence on me.


You talk about, like the finance world. What's something you've learned there that's been super applicable to to golf or to your your job?


I would say a lot of it.


Well, I mean, OK, so I would say a lot of like the mental side of it, like a certain level of of like I guess stoicism. I mean, there's just so much volatility, one in life, but then especially in golf. Right. Like golf is a weird sport. It's got like tons of swings to it. It wasn't that long ago that, you know, a guy a few years ago missed seven cuts in a row and then won at Riviera.


It blew his horn, missed like seven or run and won a tournament. Riviera, you know, you see that all time. The golfer, a guy can win miss a cut. There's tons of swings to it. Right. As a coach, again, if you're working people, there can be tons of, like, swings to the game. You know, again, just trying to immerse yourself in finding edges, saying, OK, this is the process that we're doing to get better and then having a certain level of emotional stoicism to kind of withstand the swings.


That's very much like people in the finance trading world. Right. Like there's tons of swings, but they got to trust their process. They got to say, OK, we're our own harshest critic in terms of being critical of our process to to refine it. But in the moment, we're making the best decisions, the best trades we can. And what happens on any given day is a little bit kind of outside the scope of what we can control.


And it's more about seeing this long run trajectory and just kind of having that mental fortitude to be able to stay the course regardless of those day to day swings. And I think golf, psychology, any psychology that deals with a lot of sort of like volatility to it, a lot of variance to it, you've got to adopt that mindset. So I think that's been like a big kind of lesson from from that world.


How often do you think it's appropriate to reflect on on on on decisions? Maybe reflects not the right word? Because how often do you think it's it's good to sit down and make sure that your mindset is correct on their day to day in terms of how you're making decisions or how you're going about, for example, for golf. Say we put together a plan and it's like, all right, stay the course with this plan, you're going to do X, Y and Z every day.


How often is it appropriate to reflect on that plan like this is a good plan or this is not working?


Yeah, I mean, I think the reflection can happen all the time. That can happen the moment now when you sort of make actual tweaks to the plan. Right.


Because you have what I'm trying to get at, I guess, is if you get a plan and then all of a sudden you have that volatility in your super down, you're not playing well three days in a row, what, at three weeks in a row, at what point do you say, all right, this ain't working? Or what point you say, I've got to stay the course? Yeah.


Yeah. I think you can do a couple of different ways. You can make sort of defined kind of little like checkpoint's of like when you kind of re-evaluate and you make like conscious sort of maybe tweaks to the plan at those checkpoints. Another way is just like, hey, you know, a little bit I feel where it's like, OK, as you get more information, more data, whatever test scores, you know, seeing people's shots or whatever, you know, if a guy if a guy was playing pretty good and you make some tweaks and he starts playing pretty bad, like he starts playing bad, it's like, well, you know, you had this data before, they playing good and you introduced these changes and he kind of got fairly worse.


Right. It's like we might want to, like, walk this back a little bit. Right. If a guy was already, like, struggling quite a bit and you make some changes and he's still struggling, it's like we don't know yet, like maybe give it a minute to kind of take shape and see what happens. So I think a lot of it's sort of relative to what's their starting point. You introduce stuff, how does it like change things?


And then you get a feel there's a lot of other, like, variables that would kind of go into it. I think, you know, how is the person react to it as their body feel, whatever it is that may make you want to change course quicker than at other times, but then there's times where it's just like.


You are hey, let's let's just give it a minute, right, you feel good, your practice rounds are really good. It's not quite translating to like scores in a tournament. Let's give it a minute. But now all of a sudden, it's like they go out and I'm like, oh, my back hurts. Or even during a practice run, they're hitting it really bad. It's like, OK, we got to rethink this a little bit.


So, I mean, in general, I would say you probably have in your mind you had these checkpoints throughout the years where you're really trying to kind of reevaluate stuff. But even within those checkpoints, you're constantly making updates and potentially making little tweaks to the game plan. But then when you do have a game plan in your mind, you've got to go into it with confidence, at least for that duration of time, whatever that is.


The worst thing to do is not have a game plan at all. Yeah, the worst thing to do is just be completely like like it's sort of weird, right, if you're going to have success. One, people say it's better to be confident, confident than than than right, and it's like, well, I don't know if I told you that in a sense, maybe not all, but this way in order to kind of have the results you want.


You got to be right about what you're doing in a sense, and then you also need to do it, which you need to have in order to say, I'm going to do it, you need to have confidence to be able to actually get yourself to do it right. So you have to be right and you have to have confidence to actually do it right. So you have a couple of different ways ascorbic. You could be right in your decision of what you want to do, but without the confidence, you don't actually execute it.


That doesn't work. You could be wrong and not have the confidence. So you're sort of like not really doing anything with a conviction and you're wrong. Maybe back into and you get lucky, you do the right thing, but that usually doesn't work. You could be wrong with what you're doing and have confidence.


That wouldn't work either. I'm so confident it's like you're doing the wrong stuff, you don't get better. Right. The thing that works out is when you're right and you have the confidence.


Right. Right. So. So because like the sort of like are you making the right decision isn't fully known.


At least you can take care of the confidence part of it. So go into it with the confidence part of it.


That way you can actually test of what you're trying to do is right. You go into with confidence, you execute it fully as your best, your capabilities. If you're right, then it works out. If it doesn't work out, then at least you're not saying, oh, is because I was like waffling. I did with conviction. And now I can tweak that component of it. The sort of thing you're trying to does that makes sense.


It makes no sense. I was laughing because when I was playing football, we had I had a coach. I won't name names, but we had one coach who always used to say he was he was football. I don't know if golf's not so this way, but there's always like these little things that coaches would give you, like little like phrases or little quotes, you know, and they kind of beat them into your head. And one of them we had was sometimes sometimes it's better to be decisive than.


Right. Yeah. You know, basically the idea in football there is you know, there's so many so many variables and complex that sometimes it just if you see something and you're decisive about it, you just kind of trust your intuition and it oftentimes will work out. Yeah, but then the next coach behind him who is like kind of came up under him, he he added he was like, if you're decisive sometimes if you're decisive, inaccurate, what you say sometimes better to be decisive and right.


So he said sometimes if you're decisive and accurate, you're right. It's like, dude, you're added too many, too many things, too many, too many conditions for this. Of course, if I'm throwing an accurate pass and I was decisive and made the right read.


Of course. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. But it's true what you're saying.


It's it's like if I, if I'm like OK, do I go left or do it right. And it's like if I'm decisive like I'm going to go right but right or wrong I'm end up in the wrong place. Right. But the problem is, is if I go like OK, I go left, right. And I'm like, I don't know. And I just go straight. That never works. Right.


So at least by, like, being decisive, you had the chance of making the right decision. Right. And having having it come out to like the result you want. So to that first coach is like, hey, it's better. What was it?


It's better to be sometimes it's better to be decisive than. Right.


OK, so basically what he's saying is, is at least by being decisive, you can back into being right also and be executing in a way where the rightness of it. Right.


Was out to find the rightness in your decision, no matter whether it was right or wrong.


Well, it was probably right. But like, if you're not decisive, you don't even have the chance to see if it was right or wrong. Right. So it's like if you're decisive at this, you have the chance to see if your decision was right or wrong. And if it's right, it comes out good.


You're right. You throw a lollipop pass, it might get picked off. Or if you read the putt, right. But then you hit it like a girl. I don't say a girl. If you hit it like a you know, like I hit some putts today, you know, really tentatively, then it's a chance.


Yeah. And if you made the right read. Yeah, exactly. Right.


So it's it's sort of an interesting thing. So at the end of day, sure. Start with confidence because it gives you a chance to get the proper feedback. If the decision you were making was right or not, without that confidence and saying, okay, I'm going to kind of be convicted to it, you don't even get a feedback of what you want to do is right or wrong. You don't even do what you wanted to do in the first place.


And there's no point. That's what I was trying to make sure to remind myself today as we were working. And we work on some really basic stuff. But I was trying to keep in my mind, because there's a lot to think about. I'm new. Everything feels relatively uncomfortable. Yeah, not in a bad way, but it's it's new to me. So it's not natural or anything like that. And I would just try to tell myself, you know, just just if you mess up but you swing and feel like you're just hitting this ball and if you mess up like it's OK instead of overthinking it, basically I'm telling myself is like just swing confidently, act like you kind of understand what's going on, you know, what's going on, and try to make your body do what you can.


If it doesn't work out, it's OK. Because from my other athletic experience, I've had so many times where you just you want to be perfect and then you you lose the sport of it. You lose the you know, you get too caught up in the technique and you lose like the athletic component of just the ball and stick sense of being able to to carry out, you know, the task at hand.


And so much of learning. I mean, right now you're really kind of learning a skill. You're learning, moving your body.


In some ways you're probably learning how to learn because it's such a different kind of endeavor they have done in a long time.


And and, you know, I think such a big part of learning is is is having the right frequency of failure.


In a sense.


It's like if you see someone skateboarding, learning a new trick, their frequency of falling is pretty high. If you're the type of person who who just can't fall like, I don't want to fall, you're not going to really learn anything because you're so staying within your comfort zone.


They don't fall. Yeah, you may never fall, but you're not going to learn a new trick.


It's like you have to be able to go into the unknown to learn a new trick and that unknown. Inherently has a certain percentage of the time that you're going to fall to do that, so to me, like the best learners are very much OK. And let me use this word, and I don't think this is the right word to use are very much OK with the failure component of it. And I don't think it's I mean, to me, it's like you're getting outside the sort of the paradigm of success and failure.


It's purely a trial and error thing of like that. I want to do that. Didn't OK who I learned from that. It's not that. Maybe it's this. OK, it's not that. Maybe it's this.


But having if you're hitting like all your shots super solid right now, it's only not super small, but let's say you're hitting all your shots. Kind of like how you more or less want to.


You're going to be probably staying too much in your comfort zone and the whole motion isn't going to be changing in the direction we want to for those bigger goals.


Right. There's an old poker scene where it's like if you're always getting it in good, you're not getting in enough. Basically, you need to be getting high.


Yeah. So it's of like it was like a to really understand. It just sounds, it is like a is like a tournament poker saying words like, hey look if if when you get your money and you're always got the best hand type of thing, then like you're bluffing frequency and all that is just not enough. It's not aggressive enough. So there is a certain percentage of the time that you should be, in a sense, you know, hitting bad shots, especially if it's because you're pushing yourself to learn new movements.


That's going to be a really good indicator that you are getting outside of your comfort zone, which is a good thing.


And it's easy to like having such a like today. Today's a microcosm of it, I guess.


But just to look at it from with a wide angle lens to have such like a crazy goal or such an outlandish goal, it kind of liberates you to to failure.


It's like no one expects you to succeed. Then there really is no failure because like you're only it's really just something you're doing with yourself. Yeah. It's like no one would ever expect you to succeed. Then you can really kind of do whatever and go with what if what if we all were expecting you.


Like what? Like what have I told you about like ten thousand bucks that you make as a pro on Vegas? I made a bet.


Honestly, I be like, this is this is this guy's that guy.


He's the guy. Don't worry about the success and failure stuff regardless. No, that's all I'm saying. I mean, that's liberating. Yeah. Yeah.


Even if it's not liberating, like we even if people are expecting you to do whatever is your path.


I do feel like you're one of the few people, though. That takes me seriously. With that, I mean, I think that, you know, I'm being serious, I think a lot of people I mean, I know it's funny, but I think a lot of people completely think I'm joking around.


Yeah. And it's nice to be taken seriously, especially by someone that's like working with you. You don't want someone to think you're a joke that's working with you.


I mean, look, I think what you said before is the truth, right? It's a long shot, you know that. I know that doesn't mean it's impossible. Again, it's like to me, the whole thing is, is it's you know, there's been people have to take up the game late in life and have gotten to like a scratch golfer. So it will happen again, like like it's going to happen to someone, like why can't happen to.


You know what? I think one of the main thing that's going to separate me is I think that I know and you got to help me tell me these these traps. But I from a distance, I've kind of already heard and seen a lot of the traps I feel like golfers fall into mentally.


And I refuse to let myself do it even as I start, because I think you you build tendencies over the years. Maybe they're growing up. It's like, for example, today I was hitting a bunch of shots that were not going how I wanted to go. And you're like, it's OK. You got to Shank's right now. But I was like, no, no, no. Like, I'm never getting the shakes. I don't have the shakes.


The shakes are not a thing. Like, every shot's different. I know that on paper you would tell me that that's true too. Yeah. The Shenk's are actually not a thing. It's a mental thing. Yeah. So I'm not even going to put that in my vocabulary. Sure. And the Shenk's as well as these other pitfalls I've seen people talk about, it's like that's not going to be going forward in my game.


I might not be good at a lot, but that that will be a strength of mine because I'm not going to let that even enter into my consciousness. But you can't if you start golf at seven, you can't know that. Yeah, right. I'm starting at twenty eight, so that's my advantage. Yeah. You have the advantage of having bendy little body and having 20 more years to do it. Yeah. But I know that I'm never going to have these bad ideas enter into my consciousness.


You never like internalize it as as I refused to. Yeah.


What are some other things like that that golfers have tendencies to like it in their head that are just kind of myths but bog people down, huh.


Well I like this like mental myths. Like, like I kind of feel like people are like, oh, I'm not hitting the ball good today because, you know, I'm just I'm going to slump right now.


Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, golf's so weird, I mean, any sports, a weird sort of mix of like, what are you physically doing? And you're like mindset kind of like kind of perpetuated in a way. Right. So it's in the day. It's like. You know, I don't think you like, you know, necessarily positive, think your way into good golf, like that's not the reality of things. There is like a physical kind of component to it.


All right. But I think if your mindset is sort of like, you know, down and sort of like defeated, you have very little chance of, like having the physicality follow that type of mindset, mindset in a good direction. So I think the mindset aspect of it is basically saying you're always giving yourself a chance to stay in the game and have the physical component be figured out, whereas you realize it's not the right place. It's like you don't even have, like, the focus or the kind of the the intent to allow the physical aspect of it kind of work its way out.


Because you everyone always says golf is a mental game. It's mental, but it's like you're still like, so physical. I mean, the the golf ball knows what the clubs are doing to the right. Golf ball doesn't know like your swing thought, doesn't know who your coach is, just knows what that club is doing to it. But then you could argue the club knows in a sense the inputs that your brain is giving. Right. And then that's going to be somewhat of a reaction to your emotional state in your mind and things like that.


But again, like, you know, this is where there's probably some great athletes who were I mean, like Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, like you could argue, they have some of the best mental games in all of sports history, but that hasn't made them like exceptional golfers. Right? Right.


But do you think if they applied themselves in the same way they did to their primary sport, maybe would have maybe. Right. But that's what I'm saying is like the mental game gives them the opportunity to to to create the physical aspect of it. But the mental side of it in of itself is you've got to have you've got to have it all. Yes. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, that's I think that's fair.


Yeah. So I think I just think it keeps you in the game to potentially figure out the physical component to it, whereas if you were like, you know, mentally sort of didn't have that that fortitude and you hit some bad shots, you may just sort of like give up on it. You don't even give yourself the opportunity to physically figure out the physical aspect of it right in that top high level guys.


They all know that. They all are. Give themselves the best chance physically.


Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're mentally kind of putting themselves in a place to give themselves the best chance to physically figure out whatever it is they have to figure out.


OK, so before we wrap up everywhere, we do it on time. Got it right here. That's great. All right, so tell me you kind of went through my plan. It sounds like basically we're going to I'm going to be hitting, uh, I got to get my capacity when we're at capacity up where I can really have a high volume of shots. Yes. Really put in work. There are some things I've left here that I can work on.


Um, aside from me, you know, what are you what do you got coming up? What are you working on?


What are you doing? Uh, well, next week I go to Tory PGA Tour season starts. Ottery one doesn't start a but that's the first event that I'm going to after.


Tory, what do you what do you do when you go to these things? Just coach the players I'm working with out there. Yeah. So like, it's busy. You're out there for the practice rounds working on their games. I think I'm a stay for a couple rounds to watch some of the guys play a little bit because it's nice, especially with like, you know, there's no crowds are now, which is a bummer in general, but it makes it very easy to watch these guys play in and kind of see what they're doing on the course during a tournament.


So I'll take advantage of that. And then from Torrey, I come back here some stuff with the Golf Channel, just some episodes for that show that I do with them called Swing Expedition and a decent series that we're going to do with the Golf Channel. And then after that, I'll go to Florida for a few weeks and work with a bunch of guys out there. Probably see you up there as well. Yeah, hopefully we'll get some work there.


So that's kind of what the next month looks like for me, basically.


And then do you whenever you're with you guys, the tour, is it a different type of coaching you're doing because they're in competition? Yeah, totally.


Totally. Yeah. I mean, I would say even that can look very different, depending on where a person is with their game. But in general, it's much more of of the kind of prep like tournament prep type of of coaching that you would be doing every now and then you kind of do some swing stuff if you know, if one they're in a little bit of a funk or for whatever reason, part of the game plan, you've decide designed with them that there's this long term goal that you're trying to kind of reach and you feel like maybe a couple of days during a tournament week is like an appropriate time to work on things.


You might allocate a couple of days to that, but then the day, you know, the closer you get to the tournament, it typically becomes more of a tournament prep type of type coaching.


OK, well, we're out of time and we had a great time. We appreciate it.


I mean, Avery had a great time down here and we both had an awesome time and learn a lot.


So he's got a killer snapshot. I was impressed. Killer snapshot.


So we'll we'll see you soon. Yeah. Keep working. Next time you see us will be better golfers. You'll be a better golf coach.


Yes. I love it. Thanks. Thank you. That's great. OK, welcome to the after show after show is where we get crazy, we take our tops off and we talk about life and. Avery is sitting with me, producer, of course, 251, 51 strokes, we came down here this Avery first trip on the road. Congratulations on making your first road trip for Basel. Yeah, we had a lot of we think about a life on the road.


How do you feel? What's it behind the scenes of life on the road for barstool?


It's pretty relaxed. I mean, traveling with you is you make it pretty easy. You know, what's going on with the camera stuff and everything. You know, it's you're just great with everything we do. So traveling on the road wasn't an issue at all. I met you at the airport. You knew what was going on. I was a hotel hotel's great house hotel. If you like hotel, I like hotel.


Did you get used to that? I could definitely get used to hotel.


I ordered. Did you put anything in on the room, you know, service?


No, but I did get some stuff in the lobby. It was good. You made a good pick is a really good hotel.


I pride myself on my hotel picks. Yeah. And you told me, let anyone else do it.


That's my thing. Like, you're not like, you know. If they make me give it up, I will, because they're paying for it, but I like to pick our hotels and I always am respectful with the prices I keep at 150 and under, unless it's impossible. Absolutely. But, you know, there's a difference in a.


You can get the same price for very different quality hotels, and I pride myself on my queeny being able to distinguish between the variables, like if you told me that the room was 250 dollars a night, I probably would believe you like it's a very nice room and you did a great job. Thank you.


Know, that's that's really my greatest strength. Yes. Life. NIVAN And just in working as migration in your life, what else? Anything else remarkable from the road?


No, I just think in general, it's just a great, great person to travel with great time, you know, got a gas me up.


I'm not sure you can go to games. I've always gas you. I know you love the gas. Yeah, the gas mask. Yes.


I mean, every game down here, it's really been an incredible trip. You have to watch the videos because they're more like vlog videos. So it's like you can really get a feel for how it went, what we did, and those will come out.


We'll have one ready for Thursday, but kind of like the idea of doing back to back days, you know, put them out Back-To-Back days so that people get a feel for it.


So so maybe we could push it back so we can't do Thursday, Friday than can we do Thursday, Friday or that is asking too much. I'll grind. I'll let you know is if it's too much is too much. But let's try it.


Let's try to be like that. This. That way people feel like they can see them.


If we can't get them to you beginning of next week anyways, do check them out. And if you follow me on on Instagram or Twitter, I'll make sure to post them.


But just to get a feel for what we experience, which is really pretty incredible. And like this guy's house is a. Is a golf facility like his living room is, he has green turf on the floor. He has a weight rack in the corner. Is it hitting that balls everywhere? He has a gear system with like 10 cameras. He has a fourth plate system of basketball goal.


We played a couple of games, knock knockout pig.


So he has an autographed wall. He's like, you want to sign an autograph for my signing my name next to like like Golf Hall of Famers?


Bryson, he's he's like he's like Avery Saina. I'm like, why do you want my name on there? He's like, everyone who comes here has to sign it. And I'm like signing my name a book. I put it if I put an inspirational quote next to mine, do your best.


If you do your best, what else can you do? Do your best and leave the rest. I should add that before I leave, but no huge thanks to.


It really is incredible that he's like taking the time to help us out because, like, you know, he he's a top of the line guy.


Like to have a new golfer who doesn't even know how to hold a golf club. That's that's a challenge and also an unnecessary one. So we're super thankful. And yeah.


So make sure you check out the videos. Follow us. Fifty one strokes we owe those viewers will be on our YouTube channel. So you got to follow our YouTube channel.


It's new, but it's we're pushing all the best clips from the podcast in video form. So you can see the clips from today's show, as well as the clips from other shows, as well as the vlog type stuff that we're going to start doing a lot more of, whether it's a vlog or some other type of video. We're going be doing a lot more video.


Twenty, twenty one. And besides that, I think if you haven't already, you know, subscribe to the podcast and wrote a review, please do that. That helps us and tell a friend if you like it, tell a friend to get into it. We will take as many people on the bandwagon as we can. This train has not left the station. This train is still on the station. So thank you guys. And we will we will talk to you next week.


Always appreciate you guys. Avery, would you like to say a final goodbye? Yeah, sure.


What's what's a good inspirational quote that that we haven't used it best and leave the rest, do your best and leave the rest.


Oh, my ex's live in Texas. And Texas is a place I dearly love to be. But, oh, my ex's live in Texas. And that's why I hang my hat in Tennessee. Rosanna's down in Texarkana, wanted me to push her the sweet Eileen memory lane, and she forgot. Oh no. And Alison's in Galveston somehow lost her sanity and dimple, who now lives in Tampa. Who's got the law again? Phone ringing Oh, my ex's live in Texas.


And Texas is and I love to be, but. My ex's live in Texas.