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This is what I call a gentlemen's dream. This is going for the gold medal even when you didn't qualify for the Olympics. This is being an absolute thoroughbred. Even when you're not a horse. Because this is the home of your 2000 and 30 Masters champion, I'm Kayla Presley and this is 51 strokes.


Welcome to 51 Strokes, this is Kayla Pressly, your host, we have a perfect a perfect episode today because our guest, Dan McGlothlin, did what I'm trying to do. He went for it at the age of twenty nine. He quit his job. He gave up his previous life, committed himself to becoming a pro golfer. His idea was around the ten thousand hours rule where if you spend ten thousand hours of purposeful practice, you can acquire any skill and become a master of that skill to become one of the best in the world at it.


And he actually made it. And of course, we'll get into his story. But he he he made it to a plus a minus three go for. Or minus three handicap in five years, but then he he hurt his back really bad and he was basically going to have to decide between what you're going to have to get a surgery that was going to cause him to get way more tons more surgeries down the road or could he have to give up golfing?


So. Anyways, he's been through what I'm going through and he on the episode today, he gives me some tips, we talk about his experience and I'm pretty much bombarded with questions. I have like a one million questions. I still want to say, do we have to get him back on a podcast? But great episode. And it's brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Five Hour Ingolf. You know that they are the number one hitting facility, point blank period, indoor golf facility, the hit that hitting bays, they have rental clubs all top of the line.


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OK, without further ado, let's get into this episode with Mr. Dan McGlaughlin. My journey is called Fifty One Strokes. His was called the Dan Plan. They're the same exact thing. And this is just this is top of the line material. Mr. Dan, the book.


So, Dan. I'm super pumped to talk to you because I know that and I'm going to we're going to talk a little more about your exact goal and how you went about it. But we have very similar visions. At least at one point you had a similar vision to what I am currently embarking on. What I'm currently embarking on is the dream to one day be a professional golfer in some respect by the time I die. Mm hmm. I hear you there.


So it could be T.J., it could be Korn Ferry. It could be senior tour. But I'm trying to go for gold, and I don't see why not, why is it possible? And everyone always tells me it's not possible. I have very few people who believe I can do it. And out of anyone who could give an informed opinion, you could give probably the best and most informed opinion of anyone on the planet. So I'm super excited to talk to you.


Yeah, well, it sounds I mean, it's been 11 years since I basically was in your exact shoes with this same idea. And I don't want to give anything away for later on in the show, but I don't see any reason why you can't do it. I love that.


All right. So first of all, I love that. Love your enthusiasm. And I love I love your headset. Tell everyone. Tell us about how your story started. Just give us a quick I know you told the story a million times, but kind of tell us how you got into this idea of what you wanted to accomplish and how old you were. I mean, for me, I was you know, I was at the end of my 20 years as like twenty nine, I was turning 30 a went and visited my brother in Omaha, Nebraska, and he took me out on a par three course, nine hole par three.


And I basically, you know, I don't even know if I was left or right handed. So I shot like a fifty seven, which is like about 30 over par on like, you know, a little like cow field of the course in Nebraska. But then later that night we just kind of talking about human performance and how far you could go if you were willing to essentially just drop everything and kind of just support yourself and and then just give it your all.


Like, how far could you go if you're willing to do that? And, you know, as I kind of drove around back towards Portland, Oregon, from Omaha on a long road trip, I kept thinking about that idea and how far you could go. And it just just kind of the concept and the notion just I couldn't get out of my head.


So, you know, about a couple of months later, I just decided that I just needed to go for it because I you know, nobody could really prove yay or nay, like, how far you could go and what was possible if you just, like, really went for your dream. So for me, I just, you know, I just kind of have I wanted to do something different in my life. I wanted to change some things.


And I was just like looking for a new journey. And I had traveled a bunch and had done a lot of different random things, but I hadn't really tested myself. So for me, it was kind of like my birthday present to myself was to dedicate the next ten years to becoming a professional golfer. That's incredible. I started also on a par three course at the age of twenty seven. I'm twenty eight now and my friends took me out. I'd always refused to golf and my friends kind of made me lose during the beginning of coronavirus, which is really the only thing you could do.


My friends took me out there and the same exact thing as you are. Three actually shocked but just loved it. I was like, this is it like I could do. I could do this forever. This is I suck. But this is like this is my life. This is it. I love golf. And I was like, I want to be pro not because I was using a little different than mine, because yours is like. Sounds like maybe you were into the idea and I want to talk a lot about it, but the idea of, you know, how far can you take something?


And and I I believe that you can take something really far. The reason why I want to do it and still want to do it is because I love golf so much. I was like, I just got to figure out a way to do this and make it sustainable so I can pay for this lifestyle. How can I golf and get paid to golf? And I was like, I guess you've got to be a pro golfer. Yeah. Yeah.


You going to be a pro golfer to start a business, to be really successful, sell the business and then you have the rest of your life. But I don't know how to do business, you know?


You know, but if you do golf, then what you learn from golf, you can apply to business is either go A to B or you could be the. I think you're going to be the A, but it's going to work anyway.


I already love you, but OK. So when you started and you made that decision, who did you talk to? Like who did you tell the decision to?


You know, I told my friends and everybody just thought I was just just messing with them. Nobody really believed me. But I told them, my friends and I told my girlfriend, I told my brother because he was the one who was there the first day. And then eventually I told my coworkers. I told my coworkers because I went in, because I I told him I was quitting my job and I went into a meeting. We had like weekly market marketing meetings and they asked if anybody had any news.


I'm like, you know, starting January 1st, I'm going to quit my job here and I'm going to become a professional golfer. And everybody's like, oh, my God, that's so cool. We don't even know you golf. I'm like, well, I haven't golfed yet, but that's exactly what happened to me. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm just going to do it. And they're like they just I just like messing with them hard.


But then eventually, like we started, the people had started having fun with them. People start bringing books in and you know about how to learn how to play golf. And then you were going to spitball and ideas. And we just decided to call it the damn plan. And we got a website and we had like a kind of a pseudo programmer kind of build a website. And so then, like, you know, it just turned into a real thing because I started telling everybody.


And so then eventually I quit the job and just started practicing. Did you have to move? No, I stayed in for I was in Portland, Oregon, and it's actually surprisingly good for golf because it never snows. I mean, you can play 365 days a year here, so it doesn't get really cold.


It gets cold, but it's like it gets down to 40. Like right now it's like forty five degrees and raining. That's our winter. So you can just, you know, wear layers. You could still go outside and actually play.


So what was your plan like you and also just to go back a little bit, what was your actual goal? I know you said you wanted to take human performance to its max, but did you have like a did you want to become scratch or was there a specific goal you had in mind? Yeah, you know, I mean, I wanted to play on an event on the PGA Tour. So that was my goal, I wanted to practice to the point where I could contend and then play an event on tour, so go pro.


Yeah, go yeah, go pro or get so good that I got up and and get the story big enough to where I could get a sponsorship exemption and play an event. And then I also wanted to make the cut, so I wanted to play and then make the cut. So I play on the weekend because I figured if you get if you can play in a tour and also make the cut, then, you know, nobody could say you're not legit.


Certified legend. Yes, exactly. So that was my that was my ultimate goal. Like when I started out, I was going to put ten thousand hours of practice and spend ten years just practicing golf every day. And I wanted to play I wanted I wanted to play in the heritage too, because that's like down in Hilton Head. That's that's I'm from Georgia in that area. So and it's like the it's right after the Masters. It just would have been a great story and would have been the best event playing.


So and we're obviously going to go back and go through everything, but just so people know, where did it end for you?


For me, it ended five years in and likes as checking my hours. I had like sixty four hundred hours and I got a pretty bad back injury. And then I was sidelined from anything. I couldn't even putt for six months. I couldn't swing for a year. And then after once I kind of got to a point where I could start practicing again. It had been 18 months and just life had kind of completely changed directions.


What was the back injury?


It was it was a torn tear in between my L4 and five is really almost exact same injury that Tiger had. It was from golf, yes, from just over practicing and basically just like a repetitive motion towards one side and it just was like wearing away and wearing away. And then I was in a tournament and I just try to swing too hard on a cold day. And that was it. Was it just like a sharp pain? Yeah.


And my legs just gave up like I like literally drove the ball. I hit the ball, I hit it good right down the middle. But like my legs just like like totally gave out from underneath me. What was the feeling like we're that point. What did you what did you think happened? You know, I kind of felt something. Come on, for a long time, I was just trying to kind of deny and push through it and push through it.


And when that happened, I like walking down 18. I kind of just had this feeling that everything is just over. You had to get surgery. You know, that a doctor told me that I had two options. I could have surgery or I could stop playing golf. And he said, at my age, if I had surgery, the odds are I'll have to have more surgeries later on. And he wanted me just to wait it out.


That's a physical therapist and did everything else. But basically the spinal surgeon was like. If you start cutting away at your lower back at your age like it is not going to get better, so you just want to you want to heal and keep what you have left.


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If you want to be good at golf or you just wanna hit the ball really far, you better use TaylorMade and hit a tailor made. Yes. A. What was your what was your handicap at the point you had to walk away? It just got up because I was going through a swing change. That's downfalls.


Like I had spent six months, four to six months in the winter changing my swing. And it was just starting to pay off. But I think I was I was between a rock and a three, like in between a two point five and a four as kind of like hovering in that area. OK, so basically you started at twenty eight on a par three. You had the idea to take human performance to the top level and you got your game down to a three handicap five years later, and then because of the injury, you were kind of forced to walk away or at least, you know, your life had changed enough by the point you had recovered that you chose to walk away.


Is that correct? Yeah.


Yeah, I you know, and. So that was two thousand. Fifteen in around two and 17. I could have started back up, but to me it just felt like starting over and the task just felt so daunting as a thirty eight year old starting over, then as a twenty nine year old and starting right now, I feel that I 100 percent feel that.


OK, so now basically. I want you to talk me through not only what you did in your plan and how you went about it, but also the kind of things that you wish that you would have done differently or you could have done better or you could have implemented, you know, kind of like looking back on it, because I'm taking this. To heart, like you're the one person that out of all the people we talked to, we've talked to some really knowledgeable people, but I feel like you really understand where I'm coming from.


Yeah, I the most important thing and like the if I could started all over, the first thing I do is find.


The coach that speaks your language. What do you mean by that is understand is everybody everybody can tell you what to do, but it doesn't mean that you're going to understand. It doesn't mean that you're going to you're going to absorb the knowledge, but you have to find the right coach for you. So it's not necessarily just like the best coach like you got to somebody who in the first five minutes that you meet them, you can clearly understand what they're talking about.


And the knowledgeable and good in the golf game, so you just have to find the right coach and it's not just the right coach, but it's the right coach for you. And that's like the a number one priority, because in the beginning, when you're doing all the fundamentals, it's like you're learning how to crawl and you're learning how to walk and you're learning how to talk. And if somebody is going to like you, teach you how to talk with a lisp, then you're going to have you're going to be like trying to get over that for the next five years.


So who did you go to at first? Just a random golf pro.


Just a random golf pro, because I had a buddy who was taking these lessons from this guy and he was basically just a first golf pro I'd ever talk to. I mean, he was like a known golf instructor in the area, but he wasn't the right one for me. So for two years, I worked with him, but it just never works. And I didn't understand it. I kept thinking I wasn't working hard enough. I just didn't think, you know, I just didn't get it.


You know, he did. But he was weird. He taught me three things. He taught me like a ten finger grip, so like a baseball grip. So, you know, it's like all these things down the road, like why who who plays golf with the ten finger regret know. It's like there's like all these weird things that he did and he was really in it for the publicity because he he he always managed to be there. And I had like in a magazine article or something, but when I needed wingless and I couldn't find him.


Right. All right. They kind of said, I play football growing up. And I my career ended. I was a backup in college, so I made it to college. And I really was never like a starting quarterback in college. But when I was little, my cousin taught me how to throw football and he taught me, you know, and he was at his high school like maybe like he was a quarterback at his high school, but I think they just ran the ball every play.


I don't think he was really a throwing guy, the improper way to hold a football and his little there. And then it came back. And so basically, most people hold the football with two fingers off the laces at the top of the football. That's got to give you control over a bigger ball. Anyways, he taught me with one finger off and then by the time I got to college and, you know, even thinking about holding a NFL ball, I had a real hard time.


That was one of the hardest things for me was my grip was the wrong grip and I just had to live with it at that point. Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying.


I'm always amazed that people who can change your fundamentals at the highest level, you know, you get like in these NFL quarterbacks and they're like change in how they throw the ball when they're already in the NFL or, you know, when Tiger Woods was at the beginning of his career and he was the number one player in the world and he changes his golf swing like that. And to be able to go through that change, that takes like a mentally tough person because there's nothing harder than sucking when, you know, you can be pretty good.


But, you know, that breaks the suck. Yeah, it really it sucks to suck, but yeah. So finding the right coach, because if you don't have somebody kind of like keep an eye on you, then you're just wasting your time.


That's, that's then you can, you can you can even like crowdsourced coach if you, if you have the right platform.


But you just need to you need to be aware of what you're doing. And at the beginning, the easiest way to do that is to have somebody around you who can kind of watch you and make sure you're doing the right things. So would you do like day one? Like, did you so you just took some lessons with the guy and and did you kind of slowly get into it or or were you kind of getting better start by putting.


So I started a foot away from the hole and just like they want to just putting foot away from the hole and then I move to three feet and move to five feet. And the first verse I can't remember like. Eight months, seven or eight months, maybe even longer than that. I only practiced putting and then start chipping like slowly worked away. But I think that if I start over, I wouldn't do it that way. I would do a lot of interleaving.


So kind of cross practice for you. You know, you putt putt one shot and then you go and you hit one drive and then you hit on Chip and you kind of like you vary your tasks in your practice as much as possible. How come?


Well, because, like, you go brain dead with repetition, like, are you doing the same thing over and over? You're just you're just doing it just to do it, but you're not actually thinking about it.


So you need to actually, like, have a like a goal like, oh, I'm going to, you know, hit three draws, two hundred and eighty yards in a row. And I'm not going to leave this spot until I do that. And then as soon as you do that, you move on to another task, like I'm going to get two different types of shots out of the sand bunker or whatever it is, and you can work with your coach on that kind of stuff.


And like, what do I need to improve and what do I need to focus on the most and then figure out drills and then figure out how to, like, just just make them as varied as possible to kind of keep you keep you as engaged as you can, because when you're out there for hours or whatever, it's just like as soon as you get bored, your mind's just turned off. You're not you're not learning anything.


And that was a big part of what your whole thing was not necessary. And correct me if I'm wrong, but how I understand is you were not necessarily just going for knocking out the ten thousand hours. You were very meticulous in making sure that the hours were a certain type of attention, that it's not not just like, you know, not just playing 18 holes, but actually focused on trying to improve what you're doing and trying to just just make yourself a better person.


So how many hours a day will you go in? At the beginning?


I mean, I'd be out there all day. It was my thing. So I'd get to the course on a practice for a few hours, have lunch, practice for a few more hours, go to the gym, you know, go back to the driving range. I had a little driving range. I built my garage. I mean, I would be doing it all day, but probably on a log, like even at the beginning. Yeah, well, at the beginning of the beginning is just putting it was just like putting and then just trying to learn, like doing all the reading and learning about the history and, you know, different styles of the swing and that kind of thing.


So how much of your swing was self-taught and how much it was my my ten, ten, ten grip Gary Tingay.


You know, he, he did. I mean, he taught me the swing and there's things that I just never was able to kind of like break away from.


But they got you know, I, I practiced left handed and I grew up playing baseball. I throw right and advice. I played, I batted left handed. So, you know, I had like, my baseball knowledge, which isn't necessarily good in golf. But but yeah. I mean, like Coach kind of built my initial swing and then two years in, I had to move away from him. I had to completely tear it down and kind of start over.


Kelly, did you did you work with the same guy only or was it he was in your practice?


Well, I worked with the same guy only until I spent a winter in Georgia. And I was at this one course and there was another swing coach there and he was like. He's pretty legit, there is I would see PGA Tour guys come in, you know, like every couple of weeks they'd be in like a Boo Weekley or Jason Bowen. There is just a bunch of PGA Tour guys who'd come and take lessons from this guy. And he walked by me one time.


He is like, what the hell are you doing? And he looked at my swings like this. You just you can't play golf like this.


And he took me under his wing, kind of kind of showed me the light. So then once I saw so I work with him, I was like, damn, like there is a whole different level of coaching that I just was I didn't know anything about and like see like understanding that. And then because he spoke my language too. So when he said something, I mean he like help me with something like within five minutes I like, understood it.


He's like, oh he's like he was just you know, he's like my takeaway was blah blah blah. And I was doing this and he'd be like, this is what you got to do and be like, oh, OK, that makes sense. I could feel that like that. And then I'd just be able to do it. Or my prior coach would like try to explain something. And like, I don't it just doesn't make any sense.


Like he was just like put me in positions and there for me, I didn't there was no reason behind it. And I could never it was hard for me to learn. So I did have a new coach. And then after that guy, then I had to come back to Georgia and I found another swing coach. I try to have never more than like one at a time, because if there's multiple people telling you what to do, it just gets confusing, right?


Like, that's like. Right now, I have a I have a main coach and he's very like, I don't know if you still follow golf or not or if you just completely have moved on. But he's like Chris Cuomo and he's very you know, he's very in it like you used to work with Tiger Woods. Now he's working on breaking the shambo. And he actually just announced last week he didn't announce it, but he's with Jason Day as well.


So he's like very much like one of if not the top swinging stars, but which is great on paper. That's amazing. And it is amazing. But by definition of being that elite, you know, he's not just out there on the course with me all the time, I'm saying. And so I got to figure out, you know. I know. Yeah, I know what that's like that. And that's hard because you also being in this position, you don't have unlimited resources.


So, you know, it's like you want to just you want to do everything you can, but, you know, you can't have Chris Cuomo, you know, living in your basement. So we'll have at least, you know, you might not want to. Yeah, but yeah.


I mean, so I would I would have somebody that that speaks his language that to you and then you can send him videos whenever you get a chance. Yeah. And he does. And he has a guy named Collinwood, Susan in New York who I work with. But, you know, New York is another place, like it's probably even worse than Portland in terms of like playing golf, which is not the spot. I mean, there's some great indoor places.


Five iron is the best. Like you can go and hit the simulator's and you can watch yourself back. But at some point you got to get on the course. I mean, maybe for winter of just going in there every single day. But you need to have both. And New York doesn't really have the other side of it. Yeah.


And I think a little Arizona might be in your future.


Right. So what did you do? Two questions, I guess, one, finance wise, like how did you finance your career, and then two, did you how long did you stay in Portland before you decided you had to? Because I know you said you went to Georgia. How long before you decided to move?


If finance wise, I had saved up some cash, I was just going to kind of float myself. And then after after two years, this story got picked up. And then, you know, this is like before social influencers and they like at the beginning of the days of affiliate programs and things that but I had a website and like people could donate and then there was ways to kind of generate enough income to support the myself.


How much was that I had? How was it a costly habit? It wasn't that much because I also got a lot of my my gear, all my gear was free. And then I was a I got a sponsored membership to a clubs. Basically, I just had to kind of like feed myself and pay my mortgage. So the website was able to do all that. And then I spent a couple winters away from Portland and I'd go to either Georgia, spent one in Palm Springs.


I was just like, stay with friends or family and just get some sunshine where the ball wasn't plugging on on every single shot.


Where what was your body like at this time? Like were you before you even went on this journey? Were you you know, did you have athletic background?


Yeah. I mean, I did a lot of stuff as a kid, but I you know, I was in like. And say, like at the time, I was probably just like medium like just middle of the road, whatever that is, I wasn't like super thin. I wasn't that I wasn't, like, muscular, you know, just like average Joe and I coordination.


I got a pretty good shape during it because, you know, I go to the gym five days a week. Like during those the first few years especially. But yeah, I definitely the fitness, though, especially the way the golf game is going now, like. I mean, if you can't hit a ball 300 yards, you got to be a laser with Ion's. Were you like with your hand? I pretty good growing up, as you know, as average in earning.


Yeah, I mean, we played a lot of things as kids like this is back before screens and like kids are just like. Right, like we just spent the summer outdoors. We play football, we play baseball, tennis, we play you know, we just played everything and never played golf. But, you know, I could hit a ball, I could throw a ball, I could hit a target. So, you know, I had a lot of the baseline skills, but but, you know, like golf specific skills.


And then because I'm just asking this question, because the thing that shocked me the most so far in all this is how physical it is, like I always just see these old dudes out there and it's like if they can do it, like they seem like they play like twenty seven holes a day. It's like golf. That seems like a leisurely thinking man's game. And then I got out there and it's like this is pretty physical, like I've pulled a muscle in my back.


It's I'll be sore every time. I'm still at this point where I was like sore after almost every time I go and my muscles, like, it's it's it's real deal physicality wise.


Yeah. And especially if you don't play that often because it's just a really it's it's like you slow your body down by walking and so you're all your muscles get tight and then you just swing as fast as you can. So it's like that is not ideal. But then once you once you get to the point where you're playing like thirty six or fifty four holes every day and it's just nothing makes you saw it until you enjoy yourself.


How long did it take you to get to that point before you really feel like after. I remember being really sore like the first. Like seven or eight months, but then at a certain point, because there is a timer, you know, I'd be like not only practicing on the range for four hours a day, but also playing the thirty six holes every single day. So you are hero. And that's like, you know, I mean, you're talking 10 miles of walking, carrying your bags.


And so, I mean, you just get there, your body just gets used to it.


You were walking, you were playing thirty six and walking. Yeah. We all always walked.


I will do this that I can't play golf in a golf cart in a cart unless it's like a scramble. And you know, there's there's no I just like for me it's like the mental part of resetting because you hit a ball and you got you watch it. It is a good shot. You're like, hey, that feels great. If it's a bad shot, it takes me like the time from where I hit it to like walking to the ball to kind of forget about it and be able to move on.


So if you're in a cart like I never get there, I'm still on the next shot, still thinking about how that was a bad shot.


And I just I I've yet to play. I've never walked before. You got like, I'm lowkey scared too. Yeah, that sounds terrible. And if you're going to play on the tour, you got a leg.


They don't they don't like cards unless you're John Daly.


Yeah, I'm trying to be John Daly though. Yeah I know. So wait, so we're your your actual training. You said you're working out. What kind of training were you doing.


Just a lot of like core, a lot of core work. And I mean that's that's some some like. It has been a long time they thought about that, but some of that hit stuff and some like high intensity workouts, but mostly just focusing on just core instability at a party or a lot of on balance to, you know, just doing like one like deadlifts and just this everything was like on a side. So you just be focusing on one side of the other and have to really be able to balance yourself because that was in the swing.


Like having balance and understanding where your weight is is is just so important.


Was there any exercise or part of your training that you felt actually translated really well that you would recommend? I mean, I'm really I think that anything can do to be physical is good, the balancing stuff is really important. Anything that that puts your mind thinking about the soul of your feet and then you can translate that to the driving range and you actually feel where your weight transfer is. Any kind of workout that has you thinking about weight transfer. Interesting.


Yes, one thing that I just haven't figured out yet. Because I'm coming from the football background is like heavy lifting and the good Bryson. Yeah, but like even I mean, obviously it helps to be strong. But, you know, I was talking to Karlberg, I if you have Instagram, but he's like if you do, you've probably seen him. He just hits the ball. He's a world long drive champion, so he hits the ball further than anyone else.


And we had him on the podcast and I saw him. I was like, what do you do? Like for your strength? He's like, well, I think it's like mostly like the power comes probably most of my legs in my back, my lats as well. What you know, how many pull ups can you do? He's like like 12. It's not like that's not bad. Like it's good for the average guy, but it's not impressive.


It's just picking on because he won this week and the Patrick Reid, he's got like like T Rex arms.


Some of these guys look gross, man.


I know they get like little arms, but they're like their legs are just solid and all their power is is coming from that.


It's like the arms are just like like a loose towel, you know, it's all in your body and your core and your tiny. Yeah, that's something I haven't figured out yet, but it does make me think so even Jon Rahm, he's my I think he's probably one of my if not my favorite one of my favorite swings. He he just looks like an average guy. Yeah. And he's got pretty short arms, but his legs is so strong.


Jason Day to oh I mean Jason is strong ever. But yeah. It's a. I don't know. I don't know how they generate the power they do, that's that's always been kind of like, you know, what your numbers were like whenever you were always like a two eighty five guy on the drive. Yeah, I got hit about to eighty five so that, you know, nowadays on tour that that's in like the bottom 15 percent. 20 percent.


At what point did you top off. Like right now. You know, I wouldn't even be able to if I told you my numbers. I don't even think they would matter because I just don't know what I'm doing, you know? But once I learn what I'm like. When you were learning, at what point did things kind of there's diminishing returns and you were like you were out there months at a time and you weren't really seeing huge leaps.


I think the first three years I saw the biggest leaps like they would be every month or so, I'd see like an incredible difference. And then it got to the point where you would plateau and you'd have to. Assess and kind of change things, so you would you retract you get worse for a little bit and then you push past that plateau, but like the the the amount of effort it took to make a change and to to push past the plateau kept getting bigger and bigger.


What would you tell yourself mentally during all this to? You know, just trying to just take it day by day as much as possible. You know, it's got so. You have really amazing days and times and really frustrating ones, but it was just a process. It was like my it was my job. So I just went to it was just like I never questioned it because it's just what I did. So I get up, I go to the chorus and just practice some.


They have shitty days and a great day, but it's just like work. You know, you come home and at the dinner table you can talk with your friends about, you know, how your day was good, day was bad. And, you know, but it's like the what it was is just what it was. Did you enjoy it? Yeah, I really enjoyed it. And looking back, I think if I did it again, I would try to try to focus on the enjoyment more than the process and like.


I was really focused on improving and like a lot of times, to take away from the actual accomplishments, right.


I worry, too, about, you know, if you do start seeing some plateau's. How did you find yourself thinking ahead, like, man, if this doesn't work out? What am I going to do, like 10 years from now or 20 years from now? Even if I do make this dream happen, where am I going and what am I going to do? Did you find yourself having those types of thoughts or were you really able just to go day by day?


And I never just been the kind of person I'm sure you know, I'm sure my mom wishes I was right. You know, I've never like in anything travel, photography, work, golf, business. I never really thought about, like, a contingency plan. It's more like this is what I'm doing.


Right. Which is a great way to be, especially when you're going to take on such a huge eat the elephant one bite at a time goal.


Yeah, because as soon as you start thinking about the backup plan, that's like that's that's yourself. Just kind of like talking yourself out of it.


Yeah. That's where we talk, talking me. My buddies were playing today and one of them said because we I was bringing because I had bad shots all the time. Dude like this is not funny at all. You're already laughing but it's not funny. I'm going to say, why do I kill the bird yesterday?


And that was the original. That's how it was originally called a bird. What do you mean? You got to think of the joke is like it was actually is the Scottish guys playing? There's a golf course in New Jersey in the late eighteen hundreds. That was the golf course in America. And people from all over would come and play it. And there's a Scottish guy is playing against these American guys and they're like American guys are up. And the Scottish guy hit a shot and killed a bird.


And the American guys are like, oh, you're now we're going to win the whole. And then he hits his next shot. So the like really close to the thing and then drains the putt. And he is like he said something like, not even a birdie can get in the way. And then from then on, it became a joke at that course, like any time you got under par, they call it a birdie. Shut up.


That's real. Yes. You just got your first birdie. And it really was.


I never got a birdie before. And that was my first birdie. Yeah. There was a sad it was sad because it was a big animal. It wasn't just a small bird. It was like it was like not a flamingo, but it was like a Florida bird. Like one of those real tall. Yeah. Yeah. And and I yeah I, I miss hit it and it just went real close to the ground and it took out its legs and it had its friend there and his friend was like I mean it's not funny but like just looking back on it was so awkward because his friend was like crying out for help and I don't know what to do.


And all my friends who I was playing with, they just disappeared like they they didn't they didn't know me. They just like literally I don't know where they went. I was looking around for them. I was with three other guys and they just they saw it happen and they think they drove off. That's a sign of a true friend.


It was. And then but and then this guy used to tell me because I don't think I killed him. I firmly believe he's still alive. There was a firefighter in the group behind us. Yeah. And he came in, he like resuscitated the bird on the ground. And at first when he came over, he was holding its neck and I thought he was going to die. I was going to kill that. You know, how they, like, put him in his misery.


But he didn't thank God. But I was watching my mouth was to the ground. And then he revived them and then he put them back on a tree, like near a tree. And he came over to me and he's like, Hey, man, don't worry. I get more calls for birds and on golf courses than I do for fires says.


But that's not the whole story. But just to tell you, is that like right now when I go on the course, I have no idea where it's going. So I carry two balls in my pocket. Three balls. Yeah. When I was put another one down and try to take a swing at it and my friend was like one of the same friends who ran off on me was like, dude, if you're carrying more than one ball then you have a backup plan already.


You're definitely going to miss it. The first ball.


That's true. That's really true. Then it's kind of like what you're saying.


Yeah, I had a buddy who really good golfer. He played University Oregon, which is like a Division one golf school, and he he would play the club championship with just one ball because he is like, I'm just not going to lose it. And there's a lot of water everywhere.


And I saw him walk it off one day on the second hole and like, what happens, I hit the ball in the water as the mindset works itself, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah, it got him pretty far.


This what what did you find was your biggest limitation obviously at the end was physical, but like was there and you also mentioned that you had a coach who kind of maybe held you up or not wasted your time, but maybe you had to kind of go back and learn some stuff other than those things. What were your biggest obstacles that you had to overcome? You know, I think if you like. I think it's a really. Kind of selfish endeavor, and I think you really have to be able to, like, go off on your own and like give up everything else, like I don't think I was able to give up my girlfriend and give up my kind of like life in Portland.


I think if I had actually gone full in, I would have gone to Palm Springs or Southern California or one of these places where it's just like a hotbed for golf and coaches and then just found a job at a range or something and then just been in completely immersed in the life is I like what I was doing. It was like it was splitting my focus between a lot of things. And I just didn't really have, like, full attention on one thing.


And I think it pretty much requires, like, your undivided full attention. But why do you say that, because you said that you were going up hours a day, I mean, you can't practice twenty four hours a day. And when you're not practicing, you know, thinking about golf, I'm sure maybe has some benefits, but.


Yeah, but I think like being in Portland, you're not really surrounded with with like amazing golfers and you kind of play to your level. Whereas if you go to where like the people right out of college are playing in the mini stores and you're practicing and playing with these people, like your game improves because you play to the level of your competition.


Do people practice together? I never really thought about that. Yeah.


I mean, a lot of times people don't like the same golf team or something, but people go to the range and you help each other out and you're like, you know, you can have a little money, games and things. That's that's kind of a form of practice.


Yeah, that's that's really interesting. I mean, I'm kind of at that point, too, right now is. Well, New York's making it really easy for me because it sucks, yeah, right now and then and it is so expensive and stuff like that. But I do have a couple basically, I don't know my back story. The people who are listening know it. So I don't tell it every time. But basically my job, I'm a content creator of this type of thing, podcast or whatever, you know, posting stuff on social media.


And by that, as long as I'm doing that, I'm doing my job. So it's actually kind of similar to you. It's where it's like you were getting like sponsorships and that type of thing. That's also where I'm at, like. Five Iron are presenting sponsor the golf facility, and then we have a G4 as our clothing sponsor and we have TaylorMade as our clubs now and ball so. I have that as long as I post things and make a contact, then then it does kind of I am fulfilling my obligations to my work for BASTABLE.


But then there are a few things that are back in New York that I would kind of have to walk away from, which would be really. Hard, but by what you're saying is that basically you feel like if you don't go full force because I can't go full force in New York, not I can do what I'm doing now, you know, starting off kind of learning to swing. And I'm doing a lot of putting in that type of thing.


But I know in my heart that I can't do this in New York. Yeah. And what you're saying to me is basically that it's not going to probably happen for me unless I do make that jump.


Yeah, I think if you buy the fall, you'll know what you want and need to do. And if you're still in New York next December, I'd say you you decide not to do it.


Yeah. Yeah, I'm already kind of feeling like I'm down here right now in Florida with. Some of the guys who I played comfortable with and there in the NFL now and make this their lifestyle is like they wake up, they go work out, they like go do their it's like just the athletic lifestyle. And it's so it's so appealing to me. It's comfortable to me because I used to do it. And then also just like. But use it to their day to day, they wake up and they just it's very easy to be focused on the day to day when you're doing stuff that's physical and you have to be present for us.


It doesn't work. Yeah, and that's appealing to me. But that is something I've been thinking about, is like, how am I going to. Navigate that picking up and leaving and dedicating your whole life to it. Yeah, and the older you get, the harder it gets. That is why at thirty seven, the idea of kind of starting over is just like for me it was I miss the I miss the bus, the bus left at twenty nine and things got in the way, got injured.


But yeah that was so if I was doing it over you know when I was really fully ready to dedicate myself I, I'd move to where you are now Florida. There's so many great places to be that are good areas to live in. You can you can work there, you can practice there. You can find some amazing golfers and coaches and just make it happen. You said the beginning, but you think it's possible, right? Yeah, yeah, you can.


So, I mean, there's no reason it's not. I still firmly believe there's no reason that you can't make it as long as, you know, you are like a reasonably coordinated you. You have a reasonable swing speed. You have a reasonable like just physical ability and you can find the right path forward. Then there's no reason you can't do it. We're talking about the mental part of it, because everyone has got a mental game. Did you find that to be true?


I'm definitely not the point where it's mattered yet because I'm so bad. It just doesn't matter. Did you find that to be true? Yeah.


Yeah, I think it is. I think it's an ego game, too, because. You're like. It's a mental game because really you're just playing yourself, like even if you're playing in match play against some one other person, you're really only playing against yourself and you're only as good as your ability to get over the bad shot you just hit.


And that's the best golfers. Like, it doesn't faze them. You know, you can you can you can hit a duck and then the next shot's like nothing happened. And it's that that mental ability to kind of just like, forget what just happened. That's that's huge in the game of golf.


And you think that's natural or is that something that you learn?


I think it's learned and it can be natural. No two kids are like you can have twins and, you know, they have different they have different traits. So I think that we all have different inclinations, but we can teach ourselves to be anything we want. Was there any type of content you came across along the way, whether it's a book or even a person, a mentor, who you really felt like gave you something and really gave you something valuable that helped you in your endeavor?


Oh, man, there is a ton. I mean, there are so many there's there's just so many different sports psychologists and coaches and books, and when I actually just recently reread is the inner game of tennis in our tennis, I saw I saw someone talking with us today, today on Twitter.


I think it's Timothy Golway. I can't remember what's up my head, but that's a really good book he wrote in the 70s. And he has inner golf two. It's basically exact same thing. He just took the word tennis out. But we're golfing and like every sentence.


But it's yeah, it's it's a really good intro to sports psychology book for anybody. What do you think? OK, so I know you have limited I have so many questions I'm trying to think of what's the most pertinent, but. Based on where I'm at now and based on your career and how it went. What do you. Recommend I do. I mean, obviously, practice is tough, but you think move to Florida, you could tell me whatever, dude, I mean, I honestly trust what you're saying, so I trust your opinion.


Do you think a pick up move to Florida? Just start going to the range every day and start trying to meet people or, you know what, like how does this go? It just seems so not daunting. It just seems so like I just don't I know where to start.


Kind of I think we should just have a regular talk because there's I don't know. I think you got to decide what you want to do, but and you don't necessarily have to move right away because you've got to figure out a lot of things first. But, you know, like talking with a good swing coach is good. I've talked to Chris Cuomo and see if he knows anybody in the area. You are who you can work with like a couple of times a week just to get the fundamentals down, see how it goes, push it for a little bit, do everything you possibly can in New York.


And then once you're ready, then you'll figure out where you need to go. But it could just be moving to Florida with your with your NFL buddies. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy, do you looking back at you, do you regret it? Do you are you happy you did it? I mean, how many years it took five years of your life. That's all you did. And you obviously gave up your previous profession. Do you are you happy you did it?


Was it the right decision? Do you regret it? Like, how do you look back on? I don't regret it. Oh, for me, it was it was the right decision and. I learned so much about myself and about life through that, that I'm just applying to the business I'm doing now, and it is the reason why, you know, like this new businesses, like has was thriving before and thriving during and will be thriving after the pandemic, which is all the lessons I learned in college really is how golf relates to life, that relates to golf.


And, you know, I just learn a ton. I have I met incredible people, has some fantastic experiences. I wouldn't change anything for for the world. And if somebody like. Yeah, it took me 10 years ago and I was like, hey, you want to do this right now? I would start over in a heartbeat. I'll be so stoked to because I know everything like all the right and wrong things that do. I love the start over.


If you think what I know now, like, that's how I like it. Like if you if you want to keep like just chat everyone to just like talk about your life, your decisions. I got a lot of it. I would love to do that, dude.


I really actually do because I think that, you know, Chris Cuomo can help me so much in but also someone like you could help me maybe just as much because you've been there. You know what it's like to suck at my age and then love it and like want to get better and going through, like, you know, people no one believes me.


Even my friends who I'm with, they don't they don't think they because I like about a year and a half, they'll start believing you. And then it's funny because they're really like give you kind of a hard time and think you're joking and they won't believe you. And then, like, all of a sudden it kind of hits this tipping point. And then everybody, like, starts telling their friends like, oh, yeah, that's that's my buddy kid.


He's the golfer. He's the golfer. Burns from like the like you you're you do it all of a sudden like everybody wants to like talk about what you're doing. Yeah.


That's how I met a girl this weekend. She's like, so you're pro golfer. And I was like, no, I want to be a pro golfer. Oh. So you're like, really good. I'm like, no etceteras. Like I've never really played before.


Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.


Dude, I, I would actually I would love to keep it going. I know I've already ran you for an hour. Seems like been talking for fifteen minutes but yeah I was coming home so I changed room so I guess.


Yeah, yeah yeah. We'll get off here. I do want to keep in touch though. How about this for a parting, parting word. How about one of the things that you said you learned so much about life, about golf and and you learn so much those ten years. Can you leave us with one, Jim? Oh, man, that's a tough one, Jim, from from five years, I know that's a very tough ask.


Tough on man. That's that's just such a hard ask. It's very hard, how about something just when you go day to day, that's something that you took away from golf or that you even think about it now? You know?


You know, I think the one thing is like. You'd never notice important changes, like when it's like a fundamental, important change, like. It happens and you look back and you're like, hey, well, I didn't realize I could do that or I didn't know I learned that. But it's because you're working towards it like it's not something that ever happens overnight. It's like you don't there's not like a point where you're like, oh, now I get it.


It's just like all of a sudden you understand something that you didn't know anything about six months before. I understand what you're saying, I think I think I get what you just. Yeah. Like you'll be working and say, like somebody ask you to like, you know, you got to learn how to hit whatever shot with you and your driver or something. And like, it's not like you'll just learn it overnight, but you keep working on working on it.


And and then one day you'll be on the course and you'll you'll do it and it'll just like it'll just make sense. And it's like all the work that you put in, like it's finally kind of like it. It makes it self-aware to you, but it's nothing ever just happens all of a sudden, so it's just all the incremental steps that are pushing you towards where you need to go. That makes yeah, it does make sense, it does make sense, and then you realize why they were and why it was important to begin with.


Yeah, awesome, dude. Awesome. All right. So listen, this will have to do I want I'm going to we'll talk about this. I can send you email or or something, but I would do want to check in with you and maybe you can even come on the show periodically and we can chat and and aside from just telling your story, we can really get into the the nitty gritty of it. But I appreciate you taking the time and people are looking to find you.


Can they find you anywhere or. I just met my new thing is Portland sirups like mixers for like sodas and cocktails. I love that. And what's the website?


Portland sirups dot com. Portland Serve's dot com.


All right. Well, amazing. Maybe we'll order some sirups that we're asking. Can we get reminded? In my mind, I see the Serbs. I'm not drinking them because I got a train.


But yeah, just see you lower sugar and you can make mocktails so you can have a fun drink and then you can still go hit the gym.


No, I told you I'm on the job daily grind. I throw on alcohol every now and then. Yes, sir. Dude, thank you for real. You got me fired up man. You really got me fired up.


You got. Yeah. Go out there and get it in. Yes, sir. I'll keep you updated. Thank you so much man. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Sergeant.


OK, welcome to the after show, I'm fired up about what I just heard, just sit here. They've got resume. He's back in New York in a snowstorm. I'm in 70 degree Florida. I was on the course today. Whether I was looking at the ocean, I had some shorts on. I don't know. Want to tell you about it?


I'm stuck. And you're not leaving? No, I'm not. I'm staying in a hotel tonight. Another one to two nights in a row because you can't even go on the roads.


That's terrible. Awful good. That's just not going to work.


That's why I'm saying the thing with restaurants and bars, I do I can't live in New York and do this. I can choose I can live in New York, but I can't do this. I live in New York and I'm not going to have fifty one. I'm not going to be like touting myself as a future professional golfer and not go for. So it is what it is like, I'm I'm either going to not go for it and I'll be in New York or I'll go for it, I won't be in New York, but I have to make a decision.


It's just a fact or a fake. Don't fly. You know, people will understand that I'm not actually going forward. It won't matter. So anyways, New York weather sounds like it sucks. But, dude, maybe we'll get down here to Florida. When you think about that, I want to I want to come down, would you live with me? Would you move permanently to Florida? We talked about this in Dallas. I already said my bags are packed.


So whenever we're doing it, we're doing it. Let's go.


Yeah, you might come to a scouting trip. I don't know where in Florida we go, but I mean, there's a lot of places she doesn't even listen to them.


If you got a suggestion where you think we should camp out, where you think that the one stroke should the main base, if the club, the headquarters, its headquarters could have that at some point.


Yeah, I think that's in our future, I mean, I don't know. I don't know how or when, but I do think it's somehow in our future. Awesome.


I'm trying to think I want to say something else. The song, The Outrace on today's Fire. I found this song this week. We were listening to a Spotify playlist. It was like like good vibes or something like that. I don't know if this song from like yesterday or from ten years ago, but it is fire. Can we feel it here?


It's called also people want to go back and find it's called dandelion by the character, but just type of dandelion on Spotify, Apple Music, Södertälje sponsors Vyvyan TaylorMade and also for Simu, a bunch of new clothes are pumped about that technology hat right now. Fire. I'm so excited about golf dance. Got me fired up. I hope it ain't bombarded with too many questions, but I just like like you. This knock off the niceties. I'm trying to get some info.


Yeah. You got anything else you play? You played some golf, there's a little stuff on your story. You played with Mitch. You guys were out in the course.


Yeah, I'm down here with Mitch. I'm staying at his house for now because I got an interview tomorrow with Riff-Raff or so on the conversation. He's down Riff-Raff down here. So I just I'm down here right now staying with Mitch and we're playing a bunch of golf.


Are we looking I mean, we went down with Como. You were hitting the ball pretty well. How are we looking? Not good luck, my buddies do my putting is very good, but I, I was serious, I killed a bird and I'm happy to learn that that's like a thing and golf. And that's the origin of getting a bird because it makes me feel better. But killing a bird, that's no one wants to do that. No, ain't killing birds, ain't it?


I'm not I'm an animal lover, not an animal killer. But my pudding was good, my stroke, my my stroke looks bad, I hit it all over when I contact, I crush it. When Dan was saying he hits it to eighty five, that was just top. It's going to be beneficial to me. I think when I do hit it, I did, I think I'm already hitting it. Three hundred or over there we go.


And I do actually make contact like if I crush it like we played a PGA National was a really nice course. They play at the Honda Classic there. And a couple of the holes that I did actually make contact with it. It was I mean, playing was a big, huge call. Holcomb's my boy too. He's a linebacker for the Redskins. No one hits the ball. I might have seen these guys on after The Strokes because we all we do is golf, but no one hits the ball higher and further than this guy, not even Bryson Shambo.


First of all, Bryce Harper, he's not as big as call. So it makes a lot of sense. Like this guy crushes the ball, doesn't know where it's going except for high. But there's a couple of times where my ball was only like 30 or 40 yards behind his, which means that was like three hundred yards. Here you go. But it's it's very. I don't know what I'm doing. You come on. The first time he was working with he announced last week these were Jason Day.


Now, really, I didn't see. Well, he's keeping it under wraps.


He didn't announce it, but he was keeping under wraps just to have the relationship. But I guess Jason Day came out and said it. So he's public about it now. So he's with DeChambeau, Jason Day and me. There it is. This is what it is. Yeah, we're getting better. I'm going to go work out one. I'm going with the guys tomorrow. They're going to work out and get PTM. And I'm going go try to get my shoulder right because it comes to locking up.


There we go. That's it. All right, brother. Well, I'll let you stay. That's. No, I hope these people enjoy Dandelion. Thank you today, McGlaughlin, for coming on and a lot of golf in our future for.


Just when I start to like you would just get up in, but you don't.


Your name is. Joining me. Good girl. Baganda. Back at. You had me mesmerized me.