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Hello and welcome back to a proportional response podcast today, my guest is Cameron Finley. I was really excited to record this podcast because I thought the conversation was going to be really insightful. But I was also going to be a test for me as an interviewer, because in the past, I've probably known roughly what the answers were going to be. Whereas in this interview, I knew much less about Cameron going in than I have previous guests and actually turned out to be one of my favorite episodes because Cameron was fantastic.


We started off by talking about school, our thoughts, looking back on it, intertwined with aspects of a performative self and a true self. I'm OK with them.


Hating me or disliking me are not seeing me in the right way because that's not me. So it's almost a way of disassociating myself with the person I was being.


So said we followed up by having a conversation about the male body image and recognizing the potential harm of an inverted commas. I would be happy if mindset and I stopped looking myself going like, look what I've achieved.


You look awesome. And I looked at myself and I was like, you defects that you look wrong. And I just got unhealthy as I as it developed.


Finally, we briefly spoke about Cameron being a personal trainer and such aspects as the difficulties, but also the high point.


And it's awesome seeing their transformation as they gain more confidence in themselves and they're able to do things they couldn't do before. And they just I love seeing that side of them.


So whether you're on a walk doing the dishes or just sitting and listening to this, I'm sure you're going to enjoy this one. So here's our conversation. Right. So I'm here with Cameron. How are you doing, Cameron?


Nervous. I've said I'm so scared. Yeah, don't worry.


I'm sure you're a natural. I have no doubt about that. So, yeah, just as I was saying before we started recording and I was very flattered and kind of surprised when you messaged me saying that you enjoyed the podcast just because really we didn't spend too much time at school together. Like, I never really hung out in the same sort of social groups with you. We never really talked for an hour. We were never in classes either. So, yeah, it was really, really nice of you to reach out and say that you enjoying it.


It's always like a really nice thing to do, I think, and go out of your way to do that. And thanks again. But when I was thinking about how we went to school, I picture us looking back on school and different life like I absolutely loved school.


And from what I saw perceived about you during school, I feel like you really you might look back on it in a different light that you didn't enjoy it as much as me would want to be correct in saying that.


And yeah, definitely I, I don't think it's for the reasons that most would presume for those that know me.


When I was in school, I very much loved the learning and love being of my having an active brain, but as it got from when I started secondary school, I just sort of years went on and I got older. I just hated it. I think it's partially because of the social aspect of it more than anything else. I think when I look back on being in secondary school, I hated it.


Yeah. I mean, there's a few smashing teachers. There's some of them were just brilliant. And I love being in their classes, but for the most part, it was just getting through it and coming out the other end.


I'm just like that for a lot of people. I don't know whether I'm in the nation. People really enjoyed it, but was so was there like a turning moment? Do you think was there like a year or an age or something that you started to turn and think, well, school really like I'm not enjoying it as much like you said it. Do you remember feeling like a flick of a switch almost? Or was it more of a progressive thing?


Well, so I got bullied actually my first three years being in secondary school. OK, I think that just took its toll on from that.


I cared so much more about what other people were saying, what the people think about me rather than actually just enjoying being in school. OK, so I just got caught up in being somebody I wasn't so I could survive the social aspect rather than going there for what you're supposed to be there for being educated.


OK, that's really interesting because I mean, like you said, it's so funny how you perceive people in different ways, like especially when it's in school, in your everyday, all you hear people talking about other people and it's kind of a gossipy atmosphere in school. So it's really interesting to hear that it was more the social aspect that, you know, you struggled with more because I would have thought it was like he didn't enjoy the teaching as much.


And that's why.


Which is. Yeah. Sorry, I'm well, yeah, that's I think with the way my how I my personality, I'm very loud and it can be quite brash and I come across very confident. And whether that people take that the right way or take it the wrong way, it's up to them and how I also choose to act.


So I think for the most part, everyone would have thought that I just loved sort of being this loud, brash character and just sort of that one of the lads. But no, I really struggled with that. I think it was just all an act almost that. Yeah.


Were you aware of this when you were in school, or is this like your understanding of how you were acting in school as that from from like years of sort of reflecting on it when you were in the moment that you were like not being really what you felt you like you weren't being yourself like you said. Were you aware of that when you were there? What do you think about something you've looked back on and thought that really wasn't me?


I was being sort of I think I was aware of it back in school as a coping mechanism. Yeah. So it was just it was a way of getting through it. And those were other ways I could have acted. I'm not saying that I was forced into acting the way I acted, but for me, being my age and all those ages, my only way of sort of looking to get through it was acting the way I acted. But now I'm older.


I look back and I've learnt from being that sort of person because I speak about this like I was.


I know I don't want to as being like some sort of horrible person because you're far from it. But yeah, I think I definitely had one of the more negative.


Images. A lot of people would have saw me in more of a negative light, in a positive light through school. I remember meeting somebody who wasn't even from our school, but from a boy, you know, the neighboring town.


And he I bumped into him in the pub or something, and he turned around and was a bit of a continuum.


Think three years and I'm still getting grief for that. What is this?


Yeah, I think that was a big moment for me, was when somebody that I had never met before still had this sort of image of how I was back in school. Yeah.


So talking about that image, when you when you messaged me initially saying that you'd like the podcast we were talking about, you may be coming on and maybe chatting with you on one of the things you said was kind of well, pretty much what you just said is that a lot of people tended to think you were a dick when you're at school or it is.


I mean, yes, it's not a nice thing to have, especially when people say to your face, I mean, I'm sure I got out a couple of points before you would have said that to you. But still, it's a horrible thing to have to sort of come up to you to say that you can't.


I mean, I probably have left the public opinion so but so without going into, like, explicit examples, like you generally think it was that people saw you in that white. I think just because I acted that way, I think it was wasn't I could say, and I sort of thought about this an awful lot and I feel like I could say I blame other people and say, oh, what am I for other people's sake? I did it for my own sake.


I thought it'd be best to go there, go to school, be this asshole will be this dickhead. And I'd come home and I'd be fine. OK, that's a completely different part of me. They're judging me for somebody I'm not. I'm OK with them hating me or disliking me or not seeing me in the right way because that's not me. So it's almost a way of disassociating myself with the person I was being. So makes sense. Yeah, definitely.


I think sometimes when you maybe felt as though insecurity around the social aspect that you were struggling with, especially with the first three years then of bullied, you so wanted to put a barrier between other people and like the stories that you told me you were really inside. So by being this more maybe boisterous, loud person, you are so deflecting people from actually seeing more and true self.


Is that so? Yeah, I say it.


I could come home doing fine. Well, nobody ever judged me for being me.


Yeah. I was afraid I would have I wouldn't have to worry if people didn't like who I actually was. I could just worry about them or not. Even so, I wouldn't even worry. I would just put aside like I didn't like whoever I was pretending to be. So, yeah, I would say I didn't know.


I don't think because I was thinking about as well, I don't think I ever thought you were dead. I just I just I just thought we were very different people. We never really hung out too much. Yeah. I think like what you were saying, I was like a pretty much an approval junkie. I really wanted everyone to of like me in school and like my worst nightmare. I probably would have been at school as if someone like you said in public and I'm not going to traumatize me, by the way I know you so that someone would come to say, like you're doctor or something.


That would be my worst nightmare. When I was in school, I really wanted that room to like you. So maybe to my detriment at some point. But yeah, I just saw you was so you were more outspoken and you were just so confident in yourself. But then again, it's interesting to hear that that was so maybe a role you were playing to protect yourself homerooms.


Yeah, definitely. I think there's some qualities that I still have now that of what from when I acted that way that, you know, I still I'm sort of quite. Honest little thought to my benefit attachment, but yeah, definitely back then I don't I think I feel like you may be being very polite.


I just think I did come across, for the most part, very not the best was very negative and. Well, yeah, I, I'm being honest.


I never really of you and like, I didn't what to think. Oh gosh. I really want to be friends with you, but I never really hated you or anything like that. I just thought I just like I said, I thought we were two different people. But do you.


So you kind of mentioned already, do you sort of look back on that whole period of your life with a bit of regret, or do you wish you had paid differently or would you go through the same thing again, knowing that you've sort of come on the other side and been able to reflect on that?


I think I probably do wish I acted differently. I think I think that's the allowed in certain situations where I feel I wish I acted differently.


I'm I'd rather I feel like a lot of my friends still see me and not like, OK, I just wish that I think sometimes now especially I come back and I'm like, why did this, I think, overthink what they say? And they still see me in that sort of light of being a dickhead, whereas whereas I hope that I'm not now anymore. Yeah.


So I do I do wish if I could have done I definitely would have acted differently. I would have rather be myself. And you know, that's why I loved it and stayed away from why I fell into.




What I found was a lot of that group of friends that sort of come together. I mean, I'm not sure how many of them you are actually close with because again, I don't know, I didn't pick you to go to school, but I saw a big old group. That's OK if you went to our school picture, if you like, hanging in the central hole. So very much so, yeah.


I remember, like, speaking to like, I'm never going to speak to you again too much. But with other people in that group, I tended to really enjoy conversations I have with them one on one. But when it was in more of a group session, like you said, it kind of fell into so Lodish so behaviour very boisterous. Yeah. I felt rather uncomfortable being around, sort of like revert back to my little friend. But I really like I do remember having some really fun conversations whether there was, well, export or music or just classes I was in with people one on one.


I really enjoyed them. And when I stopped going to learn, I'm going to small group setting and it became a bit more difficult and made to feel comfortable because is that something you can relate to?


I, I do. I don't think it matters which group you go into. I think that's the same with any group.


You know, some point I, I was shogo into a group of four people that were quiet as much group got into a group of ten people that were loud and only differences, at least with the louder people. If they thought I was an asshole, they would say it, which is why people would say it behind my back. And so I think it's I can see I can see where you're coming from when when they gets into that sort of especially at that age, when you get into that's a big group, you feel like you have to prove something of yourself so I can see where they're coming from.


But I think it's the same with every group, any group of. So I've come into being the outsider. It's it's hard speaking to them regardless of their size or who they are, what type of people they're always going to be difficult.


Yeah, it's a great point because it's the same could be said for you chatting to the group of friends. I was I didn't like. Yeah, we all have our inside jokes and we'll have our different humor and everything. And when someone else comes in, it's it's harder to include them in. And even when even if you make an effort to do so, it's difficult to do it.


So, yeah, it's a really great point to make and we can move on slightly if you hop into the more I'm talking about body image.


So stuff, because I was another thing that you brought that we could talk about and I was super happy you did, because it's very rare that you get on, particularly guys. I think those that are open to talking about body image and just in general, really. But memory I have of you in school was that you you bulked up pretty quickly like it was probably quite a long process for you. But I remember being the sort of one day I came into school and you were something like MASSO.


Yeah, yeah. Like big muscles. And I remember actually being pretty envious of you and. How are you? You had to say to them, I'm still the skinny kid I want, but yeah.


So what age did you start maybe going to the gym or start maybe investing more time in your body, sir?


I started when I was 14. Yeah, I just used to yeah.


Just down to the local park and I thought till it was 17, maybe even 17, 18 years old. I used to go down to the Tully break and I had a set of monkey bars and I had a slight with the handles at the top. But I just do pull ups and dips and push ups there and I run sprints and stuff like that, or go up the rugby pitches. But I never let's just when I started was 14 and it was a way of.


Almost. By against being bullied. Yeah, so being bullied, I saw this wild ways of stopping it and I was never going to stand up to them because I was too scared to. So nobody ever bullies the bigger guy. So my way of I said, well, I'll just get bigger. And that's when it all kicked in. But I know I made it. So just for me as well, it did happen something that was relatively normal sized and that I got to show up to like 16 stone or something.


It's ballooned.


Yeah, I remember being quite dramatic, but. So what was something that inspired you to think? I know you just said you again ambulating. You wanted to be the bigger person, but was there some sort of role model or some sort of something that made you think that no one really takes on the bigger guy, as you just saw from seeing it on a ball or in films or like what made you think that?


Is it just so natural that you.


I think it was probably from movies watching people like Jason Statham or even The Rock, just seeing these big guys.


I'm sort of dominate and then on the screen, I was like, oh, that's what'll happen to me if I get out, I move like that and I'll be the same with me.


So I think it was mainly movies that I got the inspiration of. Nobody picks on the bigger guy, probably in the comic book movies where I park, I used to get hit by the bad guy and stuff like that.


I got mainly where it came from.


So did it help or did you start getting more confidence as you go bigger or become more muscular? Does it did it help with the bullying at all? I think that it was an.


I don't know if. I would say yes, OK.


I really hope so anyway, and I would probably be a combination of it. Help stop the bullying. Yeah, I think so. I think it definitely did.


Yeah, but to help with your confidence as well to I thinking, no, it's. Did you go around with more confidence maybe. And just your self image or did, did you know you're looking better, maybe add to your self-esteem or your confidence at all, or was you still sort of hiding behind that maybe persona?


Yeah, you said before I think in the beginning I got very confident with that and I thought I looked really good and I loved myself the best. And then as I got more and more serious about it, and I wasn't really in the beginning cared about how I looked, I started noticing all these flaws so that my confidence just took an absolute dive. I'm sorry. And I stopped looking myself going like, look what I've achieved. You look also and I looked at myself and I was like, you need to fix that.


You look wrong. And I just got unhealthy as I as it developed.


I think that's really good. Like, so learning point for even like people like me, I would go and look in the mirror and for the first five seconds or so I'd be like, oh, you're looking great today. And I'm like, after that. So now after like I mean, it depends on how I'm feeling and day. But after a certain amount of time, you start to like notice insecurities and flaws and you think like one of the things I would think is I wish I had like bigger arms or legs, more muscular or something like that.


And it goes to show almost that. I mean, you bulked up a bit and you got a lot bigger and you obviously got more confident. And then at the same time, you still had that. If only I had this, if only I could have that.


Like, it just stays with you almost no matter how much you do it, if you're always looking, if you're always caring about the aesthetic of something, something can always look more pleasing, whether it's your body or even just to do with like everyday objects to use. Like your food could always look a little bit better. You look like I look at my phone. I wish I had this instead. I it's just the same approach when you when I only cared about how I looked that I'd always find a flaw.


Whereas when I switched my focus and cared more about how I actually performed, I always sort of cut my confidence, start coming back. I think it's the same for everybody. I think a lot people look at certain people, whether it's a guy looking out of a guy or girl looking at a girl and be like, oh, how can they have like body image issues? Look at them. They look amazing. And normally the people like that, they have the the biggest body image issues, spending so much of their time focus on how they look.


So unhealthy obsession.


Yeah, it's a weird thought process. Thought that the people that you almost think look the best will probably have the largest insecurities in that way. Even the examples you said before, like the bra can take some strength. And if you're striving for that kind of, I don't know, sort of ideal of body, then you're never going to really get there because you're going to find something else that you want to change. Yeah, that's what's going to say on up.


And I can't remember right now. You have so we've already talked about this.


But when you first started, did you have a goal in mind of like who or what you want to look at before you took that so changed or how long did it take before you took that change to looking more performance than aesthetics?


So I'm not quite sure on. So how long does it take for me to change my focus? Was that. Yeah, yeah, pretty much so.


I did it.


Was it how long was it before you took that change. Oh, just looking at us that x to then changing to thinking more about the performance side of it and not if only I could look like that. So mentality.


I think it's when I started taking playing rugby a bit more seriously and even on sports they didn't mean anything. I really want to always win the shot. But yeah, I was thought of as a macho thing to do.


So when I started caring about those sort of things, that's what my focus really changed. I think the first from fourteen dollars around seventeen, and it was all about how I looked. And I remember getting a Men's Health magazine with Jason Statham on the front. I even know the film was that he did that race check about death rates looked. Amazing. Anyway, yeah, I was getting a magazine, and that's why I always want to strive for was looking like that for the first three years of so exercising, that's all I cared about.


And I was never going to look like I'm not Jason Statham. So why did I expect it to look like him in my past?


Yeah, because once I had about 17, I start caring more about being fat and being healthier and not just looking after myself. That's when that change came in.


Yeah, it was fun. This is kind of feels kind of surreal because I was only just listening to a podcast where it was three guys just talking about how much pretty much just how much they love the male form, just how much they love the male. It was really bizarre just because you wouldn't you wouldn't expect three straight guys to be speaking about that like it seemed bizarre. In a way.


It's it's almost homo erotic. Yeah. But it was really refreshing almost, because you're like I mean, you kind of always appreciate when a guy is looking really good, but sometimes you feel like weird saying you are being stigmatized in whatever way. But it's kind of great to just be chatting about this with you and how, like, you just sometimes you just want to look like someone and that's not actually the best way to do it. I remember actually on a different podcast as well, someone was saying that sometimes you up your insecurities so much that sometimes you can just walk past yourself in the street almost, and you wouldn't recognize yourself because you have such a distorted image of yourself when you blow your insecurities pretty much out of proportion.


Yeah, I just want to say thank you for being so open to talking about this as well.


I think, you know, it's something I always got and my parents will say and say that they never did this. They've always supported me in everything, that it's a bloody lie. I when I first got into it and I would speak about sort of the male body image and how I looked and how other people looked, and they always told me I stop. And I think that's maybe why that that stigma I used to be there, that's coming less and less now as everything becomes more open.


But definitely from my parents, the. And they very much thought I was straight, that I admired the male body. You're just ahead of your time and I'm clearly not cooption. That's what it must be.


So you've already briefly touched upon this about the bullying aspect, but how much of it you working out was also helping your mental health as well as their physical well-being?


Yeah, I think completely now for me, it's a way of. Unwinding, it's a way of getting rid of things that broke me down and even back then, I think it definitely was.


I think it's it can be very good for your mental health if you do if you do it correctly. I think it's a very fine line. Think you've got to watch because you can cross over into sort of maybe being a bit more detrimental to your mental health and the benefit. But for me, definitely, as much as it is about being physically fit, I want to be mentally fit as well. There's no point having a head that's lacking. Yeah, in what ways?


I mean, you sort of suggested that in what ways you think would be unhealthy in a mental health way, would it be going too far? And so lapsing into the things that we talked about, why are you starting to look like something?


For me personally, I would definitely say caring about the viability of the all is that's obviously going to be detrimental to your to your mental health. That's obviously can have an effect on it. I for me and it would mainly the the vitality aspect. I think also there's other ways it can cross into effect in your mental health, you know, like with that over being overly excessive with exercise and you can.


Yeah, I think so. Although the mumbling let me try and get my thoughts together.


It's OK. And so I was two of the three sort of main mental health issues that that come from exercise and, you know, being believe it, being anorexic and being a body dysmorphic.


So I think I think that I don't know, I'm not an expert by any means, but for me anyway, it's whatever crossed those boundaries. But it's been about being about quality. OK, OK.


Um, do you have you have you found that it's been very good in this sort of crazy time when we're in quarantine, especially when you're stuck in your house for most of the day, if you find a good outlet to use that. So exercise time to get to work on your mental because it's it can be quite damaging, I suppose, just to sit inside all day because it's tempting to do so when you're told to stay at home.


But do you find it's it's a good outlet to use that as a mental health sort of outlet to go and exercise during planting?


Yeah, I'd say so.


I mean, you're obviously going to feel the physical benefits and that's going to manifest into your mental benefits as well. You're going to you're going to feel better about yourself because you're improving yourself.


I, I think people go about the wrong way an awful lot during this time. I guess a lot of people that shouldn't be running are running. You know, those people that I've never put that sort of stress on the body and throwing themselves into it, I think that's unhealthy, both physically and possibly mentally as well. And I think so. Yeah, I think it's you've got to be sort of try and be at peace with it all in a fair way of dealing with what is going on, a run or spending a four or five hour long walk around exercise and then go for.


I think it's a perfectly good way of dealing with it. It's not really affected me much. I did. I've done all my training either at home or outside anyway. So it's. Yeah. So what's the bearing on me.


OK, so like from this back to school, do you wish this was maybe more talked about in of the lessons like PSC on which is like the personal education and I mean I come there and what it stands for, but I feel like that could have been like the most crucial lesson that school. But it was also like I felt like that was the biggest place of time almost when I was at school, that lesson.


And I had the potential to be like the most useful, I'd have definitely said.


So I I'm pretty sure for when I was in school, all of my English essays had something to do with male body image. Yeah, I remember some of the teachers dismissing it slightly and thinking it was a little bit of a silly not completely, but just thinking that maybe it's a little bit far fetched. So I do think it's something definitely now is. Yeah, I think, I think it should definitely be pushed and taught more. It just make people aware of it, but it's going to be done correctly.


I think it's definitely got to be done in the right way. I think you can educate somebody about this and possibly push them in the wrong direction.


Yeah, I think I agree, especially when there's sort of this heightened pressure to have, like, really good image and always been looking particularly, I don't know, in a certain way that you want people to see you, almost especially with Instagram and other ways.


I think this it would be like a really good lesson to have in. Class would be very beneficial, definitely. I mean, I think for so many people that see there's only one perfect male body type and it's that that sort of y shape, six pack, the big arms, stuff like that. And it's it's quite unhealthy if that's always being thrown at you through Instagram like it could be something it should be touched upon in schools that people do realize that it's hardly anybody looks like that.


Yeah. That's the way you want to strive to look like that either personally.


So this is a nice linkage to I don't know how long you've actually been doing this, but you you have your personal trainer. You have a personal trainer Instagram account. Yeah. So how long maybe just tell us about all that we've been doing it. What was the training like to become a personal trainer?


Well, I'll try and put an end.


And so I'm you can get your personal training qualification through two different ways.


I believe you can do it through college. OK, you have to do a page and see a higher national lab in the library. I don't know.


Yeah, I guess it's just a do through a HNC and then you can add all the personal training qualification with that. That's the way I did it. That to a year. To do that, you can hopefully further your development through the second year of the day or you can throw I'm not sure how much is twelve hundred pounds that some company get in five weeks so anybody can be a personal trainer.


It was it wasn't that way.


You can get some pretty terrible personal trainers out there, but if you've got the money, you can be a personal trainer in five weeks time.


How so. How long have you been doing and did you do it immediately after you left school? Was it something you talked about before?


No, I didn't, actually. I want to pursue a different career. What a career in the military that don't work out.


Yeah, so this was my sort of fallback. It was something I've always had obviously been passionate for fitness, so I thought I'd explore that. So I got my qualification last year. I've been doing it since then and I've loved it thoroughly enjoyed it. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It's it's fun seeing the the confidence build. And so I go sort of young men are my clients and it's it's awesome seeing their transformation as they gain more confidence in themselves and they're able to do things they couldn't do before.


And they just I love seeing that side of them, how they change develop. And when they first come, a lot of them could be quite shy quite to themselves. And I would say as you build more rapport, they're going to speak to you more often as well. But that the those are the progress, that they've become a bit of a better person. They've become accustomed their t shirts. And that's that's also why it's so good to say it really does make the job worthwhile.




So you've been doing like keeping your post like exercises and stuff like Instagram. When you have these clients, do you always meet them in person or are you sending them, like, workout schedules or like how does it work when you when you have these clients?


So obviously prior to this, it would have been in person and to meet them in person to the gym, I'm. Hello, consultation, and basically they go over what they've been through, led him to the moment they're currently in water steps, what they hope to achieve with me, what their expectations are. This basically from that point, we have sort of if they have time, then we'll do a weekly schedule for them and they'll have a seven hour session with me or if they want to spread it throughout the week.


And I have a couple of 30 minute sessions where I really want to get a session and they'll get a program to follow along and basically check in with them and make sure they're sticking. Stick is least accountable for them so they can progress.


Nice. Is it is it tricky in that stage when you have to work out the schedule for people? Like how long how long does that take for you? Is it a very difficult thing to do or is it one of the easier parts of being a personal trainer and working out the schedule?


I think it depends on the person. A little bit what they what they want to achieve, the goals that you've got to give them, what they want to achieve, but, you know, sometimes they need to do things. They don't want to do something. Maybe that's the most difficult thing was actually programming it and putting it together. For me personally, I don't find it too strenuous. I'll take maybe a week tops, maybe. OK, if it's if I you know, if they've been really abstract.


But it's more down to me if I don't ask the right questions, I'm not going to get the right information to put it together since I enjoy it. That's probably my favorite part. It's not to not to be too difficult. I wouldn't say.


OK, what's the like posting on Instagram? When are you posting? Well, you seem to post more so generic things, just so helpful tips and stuff like that. Is it difficult to post these tips and so more general basis, like you're giving pretty much tips to people who can be different sizes or different abilities and not so is that the trickiest part of posting generic, more generic and more? Yeah, I don't know. Do you know what I mean?


Is it.


Yeah, it's so post more generic things which will be applying to lots of different people. I don't really try and post to everybody where it's the people that are going to be interested in are going to follow the page and they're going to they're going to use the tap. So it's not I'm not trying to reach everybody, but I suppose it can be quite difficult. It's a very fine line of. How much information is too much information? Yeah, so I've got with a lot of it, you do have to ease people into a lot of things.


They have a lot of ideas that they hold to be true and they might not be true. So I think that's probably the hardest thing is finding that fine line where you're not overstepping your boundary. Yeah, by the hard not being. I was off to proof, read and reread some of the things I post. I'm not being overly harsh.


Yeah, I think there's a few things you have to be quite generic with when you're talking about food. I was trying to maybe ask to be a little bit more cautious with that because it can be some consequences depending on who reads it and stuff like that.




So it's not maybe the chicken or one of the trickiest elements is that people have a little bit of information. Sometimes a little bit of information is worse than no information at all.


Definitely. If if I'm with somebody that has the the preconceptions that you've got to try and work with what you've got, whereas if you've got somebody with a completely open mind. Yeah.


You could try and you're able to. So yeah.


Try and be as unbiased as possible. But, you know, I'm going to have my own beliefs, so I'll end up pushing as well.


People follow who they're who they believe in and who back up their own ideas.


So it's sort of dealing with those and then trying to re-educate, I suppose. Yeah.


Although I like certain role models and personal trainers that you look to like as examples. The only like I know Joe went from like doing the P thing, I don't really know, too many personal trainer. So pages or anything like that. Are there people that you look to and be like, oh I, I like hope to get to that or I want to keep posting like that. Are you just trying to stay true to what you know and what you've learned as far as some of the online fitness community?


And yeah, I'll just stick to with what I'm doing. I don't try I don't really listen to what other people are doing and I don't really look to them and want to be like them. I think the people that I suppose from all those people I met through the gym, they smoked, I met there that I really admire how their work ethic and how they are with their clients. I think that's more where my so who I look up to more than on the online.


It is just a lot of noise. So I tend to stay away from as much as possible.


That's going well. You've you've managed to get to the end. Obviously that wasn't that wasn't too nerve wracking for you in the end. And you did some ground set and I really enjoyed chatting with you. I've got some set questions I do with everyone now. Then I'm going to fire you and you don't need to go into too much detail but or as much detail as you'd like. But do you ever go to snack?


It's more of a meal and it's either a tuna sandwich or a tuna melt, I would say. Oh, good choice. Hundred percent is that one person. OK, page that everyone should follow on social media, obviously apart from your know. Oh yeah. You could just say yeah.


Yeah, well everybody should only follow my page by page. Nobody should follow any other page. Just might.


Well is that for every page given an option for myself out there it's Cameron for to eight also guilty to lecture and kids movies I love I get little kids movie.


I'll milestones all day and cry old cried to space John.


I don't know. Yeah that's right. That's life. And it's a sad movie.


I was Gritos Beaumarchais to that. Think I may continue on with LeBron as well now. So um so that's something to look forward to. Uh do you have a favorite sport. Probably fuck the most, so I'll go with fog. Excellent. What's her favorite quality about yourself? Probably my mindset. I've got pretty good tied to my shoulders, so I if I want to behave, it's tough.


And lastly, something you'd like to improve about yourself.


Big question. Too many things, too many questions. Everyone says the mustache, that mustache, full head of hair or the taller. I am probably being true to myself.


I could be myself a bit more often in public situations. That would be my one thing I'd like to improve on. Excellent. Well, thank you again, Cameron. This is this has been really, really great. Like I said, this has been really nice just because I didn't get to speak too much in school. Yeah. Nice to see how people so developed and changed and a different perception. Jihad school. So, yeah, it's been really fun turquoise cause I'm not like, yeah, I've heard of it.


A blast once.


My nerve cells though feel pretty good.


Drag a liter of war or something like that. That's right. Yeah. That's great. Thank you.


So that was our conversation. Thank you. To those that are still listening and continue to support the podcast, it it really does mean a lot to me. So thank you. And until next time, continue to stay safe and well.