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Welcome back to another episode of a proportional response podcast, I've returned from a little break while I started my new semester, and today I'm joined with my closest friend, Fraser Wanis. I was really happy for him to agree to be recorded and what you're about to hear in this episode. It's a testimony to how great a friend he is and a wonderful person he is. I ask Fraser about whether he had a large consciousness of what other people thought of them throughout school, his footballing journey, and potentially stopping prematurely our adventures in America and his work experience at an oil company this year.


I had the microphone on the wrong setting for this interview. So although Fraser is very clear at some points, I'm a bit less clear. But that doesn't really matter because he is the main attraction of the episode. As always, you can like my Facebook page, a proportional response podcast with Shaun Walker, where you can find my previous episodes. And also I have a couple more guest lined up, which I'm really looking forward to, and you'll be able to catch them there.


Well, without further ado. This is my chat with Fraser Wideness.


Okeydokey. All right, who's there? How are you? Oh, good. Oh, you did good. He's here by popular demand and by popular demand. Popular demand. Siriyakorn asked for you to put this out there. OK, so I'll start with. Now, I've had such fond memories of our first encounters, like we knew each other pretty vaguely before academy, but we were in the same Rugy class in the academy. So we got to know each other better then.


But my first sort of encounters with you when I remember going to your house and I can't remember the last one or two, I'm just thinking you like so fun, you're so happy in your own skin was something I observed. And not being yourself, like instantly made me feel like I wanted to be myself. And I think that's how we grew. Grew pretty close pretty quick. I'd say so. But like an example of that maybe is that I remember watching you, like, open the door, you wearing Spiderman.


So I don't know why this sticks on my memory so much. Yeah. And I was I would be like to my mom. Nah, that's not cool enough for you. Yeah. I would be going to Whyalla. So I was going to ask you whether growing up at this age or maybe a bit older, whether you had a big perception of other people's thoughts on you.


I mean, younger, like through primary and growing up, as, you know, early teenagers and stuff like that. I think it's a good question. I did like this one. I think being so young, I was quite immature. I did obviously like my superheroes, as one does. But no, I think it was more to the point of I was young, I was immature, but in a sense I was just having fun. You know, I think it comes on to your next questions where, you know, I minded it what people thought of me.


But I think in my teenage years, I didn't really think much of what people thought of me. I mean, yes, everyone subconsciously does. And, you know, I get friends and stuff. It's quite like unusual because I feel like a lot of people, especially that age, transitioning into, OK, you have like a really big sense of self.


OK, well, that's the thing, because through primary into academy, what was quite well, quite lucky actually is that hello Binkie. Obviously it was a big school, so I knew a lot of people from primary into academy. So I didn't not necessarily have to, but I had a lot of friends from primary that I could, you know, take into academy so that people knew me. So it's like they knew people, like people took me on for what I was.


So it wasn't like I was going to a new school or new environment. And people thought, oh, who's this weird kid? Well, you know, weird who's this, you know, abstract kid that sort of, you know, likes to have fun. And so I think that maybe I do different essense. Maybe my friends knew who I was and I was comfortable, my own skin and my friends, you know, like to I was so and even like getting to know me, you were just happy to be or see who I was.


And I think that is good. You know, I think as we grow up into academy, it was a tricky transition for some. You know, I can appreciate that people in classes were, you know, with, you know, people they didn't know. But I think what did help is my friends knew who I was before I cut me and my teenager, young teenage years, you know, I was myself. Oh, it didn't really bother you when someone didn't like you at all?


No, no. I mean, obviously, no one's going to like you. But I think when I was when I was when I was younger, back in first second year, thought to be fair through academy, like you do as you grow up, take more consciousness of people not liking you or just taking you on for who you are. But when I was younger, you know, you just take them or leave them, you know, you just got a vibe.


And I didn't didn't bother me. No, I mean, you just deal with it. I guess that's a really nice thing to have. And I don't say like I think looking back, I may not have been aware of at the time, but I'm quite an approval junkie. I think I've just. Yeah. Even now, like I think even in primary, I would be like, OK, everyone that's like so in the end group are like, OK, you played football, so I'm going to play football and I'm going to get good off and see that's something I don't like because then like everyone can laugh, everyone talks about well at school.


So I'm going to join that and I love it. But like, I don't know why that I was maybe in my subconscious, I was like all like the cool kids sort of do that. So I'm going to do that so I can get approval from everyone around me. OK, so I don't have to say I'm like, well, that's the thing. I don't know if I'm one of these, you know, people that just didn't know that through primary, I might have been like that.


But for me, I just it's all. Yeah. So I guess it's something different or maybe a few people, maybe there's not a lot of people like that that don't seek approval so early on. But yeah, I guess it's something to. Yeah. Discuss. Do you think you still have the mindset now. You kind of touched on it. Well, now, like now that we're you know, we're talking you know, we're adults now, I think we all now do.


We've all matured and we're all I think we do. I think I certainly do now in the sense like, you have to be professional and, you know, your work and uni and certainly in university now we are with new people. You have to you know, you do sort of need to think about who you are and, you know, get, you know, more friendships and stuff. So I think my mindset has changed a lot over, I think too many people our age and, you know, younger do think too much about what others think of them.


I think it is our generation. So I think there is a lot of people that do care too much about what others think of them. I think you should be who you are and be confident with that. Yeah, but I also think it's like exacerbated or made worse by, like, social mold. One hundred percent I mentioned slightly in in the child with Uncle Mark and now it's so comparative. Oh yeah. They're like everyone's pointing out the so exactly.


On Instagram it's all. Yes. And so everyone's like oh God. I should be doing exactly like that. Yeah. It's a lot of it's got competition almost like you almost have to compete with other people to get approval on seek and you shouldn't. Well that's my mindset. I don't think you should you should be happy with what you are, who you are and.


Yeah, yeah. Although the difference I have is that I'm sort of like aware that, yeah, I should be happy myself. I got like a family around me, but still I'm always like, gosh, I don't find that person like really warm to me that well. And that bothers me a lot. Well, I think it does bother me now. I think not as much as maybe other people, but I think, no, I have matured and I think there is sometimes I will see, like, people on Instagram and stuff or people at work or uni and I will think, oh, they don't like me.


Why don't they like me now? Like, I think younger me was like, OK, fine, I'm going to get another friend, but I think now you do. So I think about it. Well certainly I do know. But, um, do you think maybe you start going to the gym quite a lot? I don't know. When was it like us for our fifth year. So I was sixteen. Fifteen, sixteen year.


Six years. Yeah. You start going to the gym more and like not to say that you are like egotistical or anything, but it was a noticeable sort of like confidence boost in yourself. Yeah, I think a lot of people go to the gym for different reasons, but I think mine, you know, people might argue this, but my sole reason was for football to get bigger. I was a scrawny, tiny little guy that, you know, and I guess maybe he wasn't sure of himself going when he was sixteen, seventeen.


I was like a bit more unsure and a bit more not as confident. So I think the gym did help me with that. But the first reason was more for football. But then once I started going, it was nice to, you know, go somewhere when you were happy, go to the gym and you said go to the gym. So I guess like it did become for the first couple of years through school, you know, I was going every day after school.


It was a big part of my older teenager years, if you will. Yeah. So I think I worried I this is where you touched on to those points. I think I was worried more what people would think of me like. Oh, he thinks he's a gym lord. Look at him. He goes to the gym. So I did think, you know, I thought I was going for myself. And that's what people should go to the gym for themselves, better themselves and not care too much about what other people think.


But I was thinking that people thought that I thought I was the guy like I was this guy. Look at me. So that's how I thought, goodness me. Maybe a bit confusing. No, but that's what I thought people would think of me like, oh, check me out, look at me. Get more confidence in bigger.


I wouldn't expect an answer. That's kind of what would you expect? Because like, if I go to the gym now, the sole purpose I think of me going to the gym is just so I can look for other people or for yourself. Well, I guess. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I would like like if I looked to the man I saw, I was a bit bigger and I would me. Well yeah. Yeah. Because I was like I'm not one of those people.


I would like go to the gym for health reasons and I'm like OK. Oh yeah, yeah. I think my main purpose for your looks. OK, so you saying that you did it for football was first. I think first of all I think now a days like I am going to better my image. So sole reason was football, OK, get bigger and then the, the consciousness. You think it get less because you would get more self-confidence in yourself and bigger.


But yeah, it was actually like something else that like people would go oh well no I did worry about because well some people know something. I mean it though because I have them like well some people are usually complimenting me and I wasn't expecting that almost. I was more like doing it for myself at this point. So I guess now when I look on it and still no, I'm still going I guess I am doing it more for self-image and not for others because, you know, they shouldn't have to care really.


But for yourself, I think going to the gym, certainly. And, you know, boosting your self-confidence is fine. If you feel good, if you look if you feel I feel good, you look great. Yeah, exactly. You feel good. You look good. You will. Yeah. You'll be more confident. And that did that for me. I think I've gained a bit more confidence. Go into the gym not. Well, it's great, let's move on slightly.


You mentioned Stiehm football and playing football. And from my perspective, you're like one of the best, if not the best footballers like I am. You're picking me up here. Yeah, well, I'm sure other people have played with few will testify. This for you are just like ridiculously good at football. So and you left, like, relatively early for like, how could you watch? Yeah, I think he's still playing pretty early. Yeah.


I stopped by like a one year period when I was like, you were 18, you know, things. I think I was like the 17, 18 year. Yes, I stopped playing and I regret not going. Not keeping on playing. Right. So is this something that you've thought about? Have you regretted stopping playing football as early as you did? So, as I said when I went through your questions, I loved them all. But this one was interesting because I do have a lot more regrets and I thought I originally did.


So obviously, we played for Bunkley boys. You know, there was a team locally and I think I left that team when I was 13, 12, 13 will go say 13. And that was probably a big regret in the sense that was my friendships and that was almost like moving house. So, you know, I mean, when you move away from your friends, I was playing for, you know, people. Yeah, a bit like that.


So I went to a new team, new people. So that was maybe a regret in the sense of I was thought I was losing friendships. But it was also a gain in the sense I was, you know, driven to play for a better team and play for a club that had, you know, could use up good coaches. So I think it's a regret, but also a positive. Another regret I did have was obviously, I guess, the whole stopping quite early on.


I mean, that was a decision I look back on with a lot of regret in this sense.


Like, it's tricky because now I look back and with regret. But in the moment I was like, I don't know, it's a tricky one because I was trying to answer this in a way where it would make sense. But I couldn't tell you the sole reason I couldn't go. I was injured or I didn't enjoy it. I think I do regret because, as you said, I don't to toot my own horn, but I think I was at quite a good level and was, you know, quite a good player.


So I think that was a regret. But at the same time, I guess you could flip it again and go, it's not because, you know, here I am. I do regret it, but I'm enjoying the gym, enjoying work. So I think I mean, maybe a time element as well, because it was coming to I think it was exam time. I think I stopped for a period of concentrating on exams are unique. And I just I guess I just didn't get back into it.


And here we are.


So, yeah, it's interesting that you're saying you never really thought about it until like I proposed. Oh, yes. So you never so went back to Franconia. That's quite interesting. Yeah. And also I it's also cool. They said you you didn't have like a definitive reason why, you know, when I stopped playing for the bank for a year, I stopped because, like for one, I didn't think I had a great relationship with the coach.


Well, yeah. And and I didn't like all the sidelines and the parents. Well, you certainly. Yeah. Just like all the negativity, I feel like I would just like really get me down like a football match. OK, like if we won and I was like, all right, if we lost and like the mood, like if the coaches were like about sat with you and like all the parents on the sideline. Come on. You know, that's not like a great house for fun.


You say one thing. I think you saw it for more fun. Yeah, I saw it like for competitive, like I was like the dream of being a footballer. Did you have that dream? I never really. Well, for start, my I always like I was relatively good. I was. No. Yeah you were. Yeah I was pretty good but I never like believed or I wasn't willing to sacrifice OK. Enough to get to a scene.


I think I did have a period where that was the case. But then as you said, the I kind of wish I had that mentality a bit more like the fun side, more than the competitive because like the dice, you know, moving away, you know, moving teams, getting, you know, the levels, trying to get somewhere with it. So I think that's interesting because I thought that of you, I thought you were the more the fun side.


That's interesting that you talked about the parents grief like. And so I suppose you are coming from, like, opposite angle. Yeah, that's right. I should have been like Muen, so competitive. And I mean, go in and you say, goodness, here are your thoughts about where it's now. I suppose if we are both reversing the roles with still so messed up in some ways a little bit. But like do you miss playing like sometimes I play five a I don't even do that.


Yeah, yeah. I think I've played five or so before. I work twice and yes I once I'm on the pitch and I'm playing and I'm going, you know, dribbling postup. It's like old times scoring a goal, like there's no better feeling even still for like, you know, running past someone, putting the ball in the back of the net. You know, it's like a is like a little dream for me. Like every time we all it could have been 80000 people.


But I mean, do you I'm I don't play. No. Like, there's a five a side of work, but I'm they go in. I guess part of the reason you don't go is because like they are not your level. Like, I don't know that like I don't think they feel like it is you. So it's like a I guess it's like this is kind of like too easy. It's not really mean. If I was to get back into, I think it'd be more fun because obviously I'm at the at the age, of course you can still make it, but like I'm at the age now, it would be more for fun.


So maybe that is my level. No. Yeah. In the sense I'm not trying to say like, oh look at me better than all these. Like if I got my fitness up and was like playing with these people, I would probably enjoy it, like, you know, strolling around a park and just kicking a ball. Like I think I do want to go back. And I've been saying that for two years now. Of course I will go back.


It's a huge part of me and will always be like that. But then I'm also like, you know, there's must be a reason to why I haven't gone back yet. And I don't think I could tell you that reason. You know, you've also substituted like you briefly start with the gym. Yeah. Other things. It's not like you do. I'm sitting around. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. So we both have sort of had unique experience.


I'm not actually unique at all. Seems like everyone doing it now. Well, yeah. After we both traveled to America during our university years, so years was a semester abroad and mine was during a summer. So I worked at a summer camp. But you did an academic. Yes. Situation, but in my opinion, yours was way harder because like when I arrived, there was someone to pick me up and then they took me to this camp and then I'm introduced to all these people I'm going to be spending all this time with, whereas you are sort of like dumped, you know, essentially you're just so plonked in the middle of Oklahoma.


It's like, OK, make friends and do unioned. Yeah. So how is that like?


Well, the whole experience like generally was the best experience of my life and I'm sure you could say the same for years. So I mean, I think I put before you know, when we were in second year uni, I was like, do I want to do it? Do I know? I think I applied the day before. Deadlines are meant to be OK. So I put in like I don't know how it worked. I think I put my name in and picked five universities, I think.


And I was like, if I am to do it, I want to do it. So I don't want to you know, Europe universities are probably wonderful, but if I'm to study abroad, I want to go like I want to go America, Australia, you know, I want to go out there. So the experience itself, like I try to sum it up, would be generally, as I said, the best experience of my life, just studying like management courses I was doing.


The professors were great courses. Ah, well, briefly about those. They were a lot different from the uni here. OK, like I could pick them. So Arj you get given a select few courses and I have to do them. So like there obviously was some courses I didn't want to do, like I had to do them in America. I was able to pick for that and that instantly like worked better. I was able to get better grades.


I had an interest. I went to all those extra credit. So studying was good social life. I was worried about that because, you know, felt like I was was going to ask, were you nervous leading up to it? Because I know that I knew I had everything right. And although I was nervous about meeting the people I was going to be having to spend this time with. So I felt like I remember going on the train down to my flight and I just felt so unwell, like I didn't think I was nervous policy like subconsciously or whatever.


I was like, so did you with yourself, right? Yeah.


Yeah. So you went to the train and then you see what happened with me is I flew with my parents for a holiday first, so I almost didn't walk into the. Yeah, because I have been very fortunate to go to America before, but I went with my parents for a little holiday first and then I went to Oklahoma. So it was like I wasn't just dumped there by myself. You know, obviously I came home myself. But I mean, an interesting thing for you, you've obviously had a group of people that you had to get along with.


I feel like that would have made me nervous because if I didn't like them or didn't get along with them, you're working and stuck with them. So, like, how was that? Like, obviously, I know you got in with them well, but, you know, did you ever think, what if they don't take me on what was fun? You know, you're stuck with them. Yeah, that's well, that's yeah. I was nervous about that beforehand, but at the same time, I was the last nervous than I think I would be if I was in your situation.


Right. Because the hardest part, I think would be approaching. Oh, okay. I like making friends, whereas like it was essentially you go to the staff training week and they were there. Speak to them, right, not to speak to you? Well, I guess that was similar for me because I felt like a socializing thing and then we'd played like we did, like sort of like activities to build up bonds and get to know each other better.


Whereas, like you, you just have to go on to like a campus or whatever. OK, approach someone so high. I did. Oh, you're all there for a common reason. Like, OK. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean the way I met my friends, if you will, was saying we had to study abroad initiation. So all the, you know, the people from France, Germany, China, you know, I think we're about 80 studying abroad in the semester I was there, so I was my parents were still there.


I think they were there for the moving in days. And I think that was one of the days that they were there. So my parents were still here, which was nice. But I went to the university for the meeting, you know, discussion, if you will, like a head count of everyone that was here. And obviously I was going in myself. So I was nervous, like I could sit with the wrong crowd or sit in a crowd and have no friends.


But I think what happened was I walked the wrong way. Good a textbook phrase. I walked the wrong way to the room. OK, I've gone the wrong way here. And then I think I filled up my water bottle because there's a water fountain and a girl approached me and she was French and she said, Do you know the room? And I was like an English. Yeah. So she came up to me in French. I was like, probably France.


I didn't know what to say, but she came to me. It was like very polite. And she said, you know, the room I was like, I do. I think I'm in the wrong place. And lo and behold, she introduced you to her French friends because they had a group chat. So essentially I went and spoke to them and I don't know why, but I think when I meet new people, I tend to make fun of myself because that makes sense.


I like to think, yeah, that makes people feel comfortable that you're comfortable making fun of yourself. So I was like I went up to them. And Fraser comes from the strawberry plant, you know, so freeze strawberries. So like, I was like, oh, you can call me freeze that strawberry. And then they started laughing and then it caught on. So I think that's I got friends with them and then other so I think it was quite lucky because I got the wrong way.


But at the same time I was able to meet, you know, people quite easily. And as you said, with your you know, your company to you were with we were thrown in the same boat. They came abroad for a semester. I kind of had to get along with them as well. So, you know, friendships wasn't as hard as I thought. That was my much tougher my worry. My parents, they were like, yeah, we don't want you homesick, videoing us every week because another muslimeen in America by us in a room in my dorm on my laptop, watching Netflix by myself.


And I'm glad to say that was not the case, which I kind of worried it was, but. Yeah, yeah. Because like I said, when I was speaking to Andreas, like, when you in economy, you have these friends and then suddenly you're pushed into like a different location, a different situation. Then you forget how to make friends. You forget how to socialize, forget who you are. You like yourself my like what do I do.


Yeah. So it's it's great that you use that sort of humor and there's something that you could probably recommend to people though where I don't know all the way to university or going to a man. One hundred percent use that self-deprecating humor as well. Yeah. Make fun of yourself. People think well I like I don't know if that's a method that works for all of you, but like, you know, I think it's a good one because it makes people comfortable that you're comfortable making fun of yourself and then you get changed and.


Yeah, it's all right. So what was the kind of things that you learned or experienced over there over your semester? It could be over like socially or stuff you found out about yourself, maybe like a self-confidence or some type of taking care of myself, because obviously I lived at home. I was quite a nurtured, you know, you know, your background. So, I mean, taking care of myself was a big thing, like simple things like ironing, washing my clothes, like honestly, the absolute basics, like my you know, my mom would cook my meals for me coming home from uni.


My mom would iron my clothes. And I'm not afraid to admit that I now do it myself. But like I think taking care of us, I was a big thing. So, like, obviously that was a big worry. But that was something I did prove to myself that was something like this. It a lame accomplishment. But at the same time, you do have to like, yeah, I appreciate that. You know, you can't do it alone.


Um, but what did I learn? I guess like experience, obviously, life experiences.


You know, making new friends was a good learning curve. Like, as you said, you know, a whole new kettle of fish. You're dumped in with new people and, you know, never saying no. It was a big, big move. Yeah, you can say that. You just need to get out there. I mean, I went to a rodeo. You know, I like just things like that. I think it I think that's something that you I remember before I left some really nice, like, long message.


So I'm pretty much the consensus wasn't that you basically told me just to say yes to everything and yeah. For God's message, I. And that's something I really adopted, like even when I was, like, tired and I was like, oh, no, you were like in a couple of years. Yes. So like, hey, we're going to the beach, going to come along. And I was like, no, no, no, I don't want to go.


But I was like, you know, I need to go. Because if I'm not here by myself, I'm going to, you know, look back on it, like here you like. I'm glad I did. Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't change a thing. I stuck. Exactly. So but that's that's a good thing to have maybe more here as well. Like I, I should probably probably say you live in the present. Don't go.


No, I'm going to watch Netflix in my room. I'm going to go out and go here, go do something new. Yes.


I like people are like and ejaculates like. Well you did not invite you again. Yeah. Yeah. Like you said you miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take. There you go. Everyone out there. Listen to that one. Yeah. Take from yes I know some island was like similar to you. Like I never did the washing or ironing or anything. So I had to do like not only that, I was doing it for like campers as well.


Of course. Yeah. It was a bizarre thing. But I also found like I had a work ethic that I hadn't even discovered before, like the long hours we were. Oh yeah. The same with you. Well, yeah, I've been a little bit. I mean, I don't want to rain on your parade, but I guess for me it was like, you know, I was waking up. Some lectures were seven in the morning.


Yeah. I'd be studying. Yeah, I would be up at seven. It was nice. You could go on strike if I was here. I mean, you could wear your call. It was a, you know, warm twenty degrees. You go sit in a room, you get ten percent extra credit if you go bloody well. I mean there was one class like briefly, I mean I was sitting at a middle C for the you know, I was like it was a tricky course, but I went to every class.


It was Monday, Wednesday, Friday at seven. So good on me. I picked that course. But no, I went I did all the homework, did all the class credits, if you will. And before the final exam, Shia, the lovely lecture that, you know, allowed me this. But she says, Professor, since you were here all the time, you know, did you give you an extra ten percent? So say I was at midday.


See, I got a high B for my grades. So no, I mean, that was long hours was a big thing and I'm sure it was a lot more for you because you had to use a lot of responsibilities. I just really honestly, it was just studying in a warmer climate. That's really hard to do, but I'm not sure that's just justice. But, um, but yeah, you said this before, but we both lived with our parents at the moment.


Still, yes. Do you think this made the experience more impactful? Because for me, it was like I after I came back, I was like, you know, I think I'd feel comfortable moving out before. Well, yes, I can agree with that completely before, you know, I was very much on the fence to study abroad. I was like, I love home. I love my own room. But like, I was like, never say no.


Out you go. So I think coming back, I do completely agree with I have proved myself I can't live away. I'd love to live with my friends. Like, as I'm sure you've discussed, we have discussed like it would be great for fourth year. And I think we both know we can't not we could do it in the first place. We would have figured it out. But I think we have proved ourselves. Yeah, we would have been like slightly apprehensive.


Do we do it on the fence? Yeah. Um, but since Tanvir, you've was taking another so big jump. Oh, you've gone on a placement tonight can I say. Of course you can cnr so you've taken of it's not even like the student role, it's more of a substantial role. It's not like just fetching coffee and filing papers can be bigger and like maybe what you're doing more than a student and whether it's like intimidating being because you're quite clearly the youngest person now.


I don't know. Yeah well pictures you well, young me and the other student. Yes. But is it intimidating? I mean, you do get a lot you know, you do get some people that I, you get the vibe. They don't say obviously, but you do get a few people going, oh, another student, look at him. What's he doing here? Why is he here? Sees me a cup of coffee for my paper.


So like I want to obviously the first email with my manager and it was one of the best things for me. It was a list what I meant to do, my tasks, my roles versus what not versus but on the other side was what I actually want to do. So like, say my you know, my role as a buyer expediter. So that's what I do. But I also have another column that says, well, I want to do so.


I want to get involved in inventory, which I'm doing drilling, which I'm doing contract, which I'm doing. So that's what I'm talking about, you know, just like some serious stuff you're doing some. Yeah. I mean, like Joe. I mean, that's that's the thing. I mean, I'm into it from other people. No, I mean, I thought I yes, I was to a point was I should be you know, I think we all need to appreciate as a student, you are there as a student.


Yeah. You're not coming in. There's a staff. I am here. I am the same as you. I don't think I should feel like that. Yeah. I mean, they do promote you should feel the same as everyone else, but I don't think I should because I am a student and I do respect everyone there. And, you know, I do make the teas and coffees for some people. I mean, but we all do a.


So, I mean, I think I was intimidated, of course, on my first day, I was like, oh boy, I'm actually in a real life time position. I'm not. Well, that's the thing. Before, as I said, reading these questions, I was like in university school, which we've only known for our lives. You make a mistake. You can, you know, correct it. You can try again tomorrow. Yeah.


Here in you know, in a work life environment, you know, in any job you make a mistake, there will be repercussions. So like that that scared me more so than what people. Again, first question what people thought of me. Yeah. So like, yes and no. Okay, that's cool. Um, you've been placed in so like some like I said, some big jobs, big situations where you've had to deliver. Yeah.


I've enjoyed having lots of pressure to perform and like you said, having like the stakes kind of high. Like if you don't perform as well enough time, I can easily get rid of you. Well, I. Well, they probably can't. Of course they can't. But they're very accommodating. And I'm sure they you know, every organization is to students like they will, you know, help you out. It's not like I've been dumped myself with I mean, I have been on a few things, but they've been little things that they get trust in you.


You do well on them and you get bigger projects. But, um, so you've had to prove yourself together. I guess so, yeah. But as long as you're motivated, you're keen. They will notice that. Yeah. I mean I do like pressure, stress, stress a little bit but I do like. Yeah I think I do. I didn't know if I did, you know I was coming into this with an open mind. I don't know what my skills, skills were in that sense, but I think pressure can bring out either fight or flight, you know, so like I think everyone, you know, should be fighting in the pressure.


People deal with it different. But I like to think when I've got deadlines, I've got things that I need to do when I've got a lot on my plate. No, I think I can, you know, touch wood here. But I think pressure situations I'm okay. Dealing with. Yeah, but from you didn't really feel like you had that sort of perception of yourself until you did this job or did it just highlight how how much how you thrive off pressure?


I mean, in the work environment, as we said, you know, making mistakes, that is in the back of your mind. Yeah. If you've getting something new and you're like you've asked for your help and now you get on with it. So I guess the the pressure to deliver. Yes. When you don't know what you're doing, but like when you know what you're doing and you do have a lot on your plate and now, you know, I'm not saying I've been in it for so long, but, you know, it's been a good few months now.


Yeah. So I, I'm getting the hang of some things. So like I think the pressure sense has there's pressure and everything, but the pressure to deliver in the sense of my first expectations, my first day, that was high. But my pressure now is a little different. You know, I like. Yeah, like exactly. My team leads my boss's managers. They know what I'm capable of and what I should be doing. So that's the pressure now.


Yeah, it's like to keep the consistency. That's a good way of putting it. Yeah. It's they're like valuable lessons or just lessons that you can learn. Lessons are. So you've already mentioned you've got sort of like working under pressure. So work ethic.


Is there anything else of like having the greater responsibility, maybe valuable lessons is as a whole you need to be able to commit in well in the job, but certainly in here, like you need to be able to learn to work more than your hours. Yeah, I am of forty hours. Eight, eight. Thirty to five. There is what my contract is. But no I'm going in earlier. I'm, I'm going in probably too early but I'm keen to get things done to take on more stuff like plus I love going.


It was probably a bit weird following in the early because no one's there, you can't go in. But it's also coming back to sort of Yes. Mentality just. Well, yes, yes. It's going to do as much as I can for this year period. Exactly like that's in the back of your mind. You you want to do as much as you can, like my what to do list like Invicta. You know, I want to get involved in so much.


I'm coming in earlier to do that. Yeah. And I'm fine with that. Like I want to succeed. I want to deliver, I want to stay motivated and stay hungry and do more things than what my job description. Byrock Yeah. So yeah. I mean valuable lessons is coming in earlier 100 percent like. Well not to always have to do that, but I think you need to be key. Yeah. You're a lesson I've learned to be keen, be motivated, be hungry.


Another valuable lesson is get a vibe from people. Certainly when you're the student, like I've learned to, like some people were, you know, even some people still will you get the vibe that they look at you as the student, you know, make my cup of coffee. So I think you need to kind of get a vibe and, you know, you need to respect the people. They're like they are. They don't have to deal with you.


You know, you're a student to them. They'll all be gone in a year. So I think you need to respect. And get to know them, and I think a lesson I have learned is, yeah, just working alongside people and respecting them. And, you know, I am an outsider from uni. I'm coming into your job, your organization. I need to do well. I need to do my job to help you guys out.


That's kind of what I see. And the respect will be reciprocal if you if you have that respect. Yeah. And it just. Yeah. So it's mutual. Yes. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. That's a great one. Um, does it make you more optimistic about future working after university. Like because like I don't really know what job I'm going to get into after so having this sort of thing, that might not be necessarily what you want to be, but it's it's pretty close.


Well, yeah. I mean, I've been able to find a what I enjoy what I have and enjoy it. That's also why getting involved with so much stuff you can pick and not pick and choose, but you can see what you enjoy, what you don't. Yeah. So instead of just doing one thing you might find. Oh, I enjoy this. Yes. You sort of say, you know, say as much as say yes to as much as you can, but what will the work before, you know, go into America like yourself.


And this place when I was very worried, I was like, you don't know much. Yeah. Because I'll be I'll be honest, like I loved university that what time. But I was worried, like job interviews. People look at my union go, oh, he goes there. That's, you know, it's a great university, but there's better ones, you know. I mean, so I want that's why I studied abroad and got this place and I was like, no, I want to differ.


I want to be more competitive with my CV. So, I mean, with this placement now, it has made me more optimistic in the sense like, you know, my CV is more competitive. I am able to say I have done this. I have done that instead of just going. I was at uni for four years. So I think, yeah, I'm I'm very glad of the opportunity I have worked towards. I don't think it's like it was handed to me.


I have definitely worked towards all of this. And I think leaving in fourth year, I think I'm still a bit unsure of what I want to do. But that's what this placement was for, in the sense that I can see what I'm enjoying.


And also just all the hours that you're working. Well, idea, idea until five. And I prefer and you know, people go to uni for two hours a day. So you've got the reading. But I wasn't enjoying that. The more about this place, we're not going to lie. I want you know, I'm enjoying it that much. My fourth year to me, I'm just like, get over and get it over and done with instead of.


Yeah, I can imagine so. Yeah, but like I said, it would be I'm jealous. So you get to do this. So you're out and it's part of your degree. Yeah. I go back and forth for like to do certain forms as well, which is really cool because like I may be learning all this theoretical and like stuff but having less like in life. So practical experience, I think it's going to be invaluable and it's something I brought up in the other podcast.


Yes. Yes. It's a great thing you have. Well, that's pretty much all I had. So we can get into the questions if you. Absolutely. So I'll just get the questions, though, from what is your go to snack. Right. I'm hoping people know what these are. You do. But like these Jacob crisp crackers. So they've got salt and vinegar, some chive and onion, cheese and artichoke will go with. And there's also I think there's a barbecue flavor.


There's these little square crisps and there's there might go to cycler so often. What's one person or page that everyone should follow on social media? Right. Howzat highlights 100 percent. A guilty pleasure. Guilty pleasure, I've got to say, is country music. Can you maintain your favourite curse word? Shit. Um, what's your favorite quality about yourself? My motivation and my drive. Yeah. And what was one thing that you'd like to improve by yourself being less self-critical?


Oh, OK. Well, thank you for joining me. You haven't been good. No, I've enjoyed um. Take some time. There you go. Well that was our conversation. Thank you again to Fraser for joining me and thank you to everyone listening for the continued support on the podcast. I think the only thing left for me to say is that you'll hear from me again soon with another exciting guest. Thank you.