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Hello, everyone, thank you for joining me again on a proportional response podcast. My guest today is Don Malvin. She's a good friend of mine and kindly agreed to be the first of my friends to be interviewed after listening to this. I'm sure you will understand why I was so keen to talk with her, because she's endlessly personable, kind and very funny. We talk about her experiences attending a small primary school, her relationships in secondary school, acknowledging the positives and the drawbacks of having these relationships at a relatively early age.

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We continue by talking about living at home whilst going to university and her pursuit to becoming a teacher. I think we both start this episode a bit nervous, but quickly find our rhythm as the discussion progresses and it develops into a really interesting and rather honest chat. This episode is more conversational than the last, which I really like. And I have included a new conclusion to the podcast where I'm going to ask each guest that comes on a set question, set number of questions, um, which makes it a bit nicer in conclusion, rather than just ending the conversation rather abruptly.

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So remember, if you enjoy this episode, you can like my Facebook page. It's called A Proportional Response with Sean Walker and also feel free to like and share the posts with your family and friends. But right now, without further ado, enjoy this conversation with Don Melbourne.

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Okey dokey. I am here with Don. How are you? Good, thanks. Very good. This is very funny. So thank you for joining me. You're the first one of my friends to say. Well, yes, I suppose this makes it. Yeah. Oh yeah. So thanks for doing that. It's it's quite a great thing to come on and about, you know, me asking these kind of personal questions. So it's very nice of you to join me.

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Um, I'm going to start off by talking about, like, early years and primary because you went to DURRAS Primary School and maybe in hindsight you would have preferred to go to a bigger school because there is no background of anyone around Aberdeen might know it's pretty small school. So maybe you wished you went to I went bunker, which is a bigger school. What are your thoughts on the smaller school? So I think there's 60 kids at most when I was there, so I was one of seven in my actual class, like probably Premi before, for example, there were seven of us at that point.

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They fluctuated. So there was like six of us at one point, seven of us at one point. But they mixed up the age group. Yes. Like we had composite classes, like throughout the entire time. So it's never just like P4P three and four in a class or anything, but I quite like going to small school, like I didn't know any different at the time.

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So, like, it's not like I had anything to compete. Yeah. You went bankrupt and you went, yeah, like I'd always gone.

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I'd never changed schools and stuff. So do we speak from I like my sister went to a small school and so was my dad. So like I didn't know anything else. Yeah. But I did really like it because of say I'd gone to nursery before and it was the kids that I'd made friends with for going to the same school. So like it wasn't the end of the world. But the thing is, I see you and I don't know whether because I met you in Academy, I didn't know you before, but I see you quite being an extrovert like you get along with everyone you like.

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When we were in academy, you had about three social groups. They were so split between. So I would think because when you're in a small school, it'd be more awkward. Well, it's crazy because you want to, like, meet new people and do all the stuff. And there's just like seven of you. And you're you're like, what's that like? Or maybe you don't think of yourself as being an extrovert.

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It's probably an extrovert, but well, like we had other years, like we just mingled with the different years. Yeah, I was friends with kids two years above me. Just below me. Yeah. There was fourteen in the year below, which was quite a big year for us, for our school. And I was friends of all the girls in the year. So it wasn't like two friends. Yeah. Yeah. And then encouraged me to like go to afterschool clubs.

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So I was like guys. And Brian is a very young age. So I met lots of girls from like Bakry Hill, Bakry, other schools. So it wasn't that bad. Yeah. So it's just the school and I got friends in other years. Yeah. And we didn't like, you know, how you go for like P7 trip, which is like P7 sixth trip and we went with the other schools or the Christ route. Smaller scale, so we met them before we even went to.

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Yeah, so we actually did know people before we go to the academy. OK, by Green Hill. Yeah, because I was going to say, when you get to academy and must just be like a fish out of water experience, you know, five people. So it was not bad because obviously we'd done I think about Korea especially is quite good because they did those like length days and they did the sport day and the science and stuff. So like we'd gone into different groups and met kids.

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Do these like social activities where you just not really trying to buy food. Yeah.

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And like, that wasn't that bad because I don't and I've never found it awkward to talk to people. I don't know. I just kind of like, hi, you, my friend. So like it wasn't that bad. I don't know. I think for other people that went to dance, if they were quiet and that was probably more of a struggle for the answer. Was your sister school when we joined? No, no. She left because those six years between us.

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So she goes, yeah, because I mean, when I went up to academy, Andrew was already in the school. So, like, if I had any problems, I mean, I could just go and speak to him or something. But I was going to say, you know, like yourselves, I could have called my sister and been like, what do I do about this? Because she'd only just last like she was class 2010 levers.

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And we went in that. OK, so it wasn't that bad. Plus, you already got the people in the year above your coursework. So like was reading that because it was like a year by year. So rivalry or no rivalry, but you'd never really like to hear about it because obviously throughout school I was also like in a composite class of the year above or the you blow every like other year. Yeah. When I was in PE, you know, when I was in physics there was like P five, six and seven.

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So I was with the year, both on the year. So that was like what the best friends like in the same class. So that's cool.

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So you I think you got to grow almost deeper relationships with the people. Like older people. Yeah. People. Yeah. I think better with social skills and interaction with other people that aren't my age. Yeah. I've never suffered with that because my sister also six years older than me so I can speak to people there. Yeah.

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Well deeper relationships is a good Segway because in Academy you know obviously not the first thing I think of you, but when I think of when I was trying to think of maybe things I could ask you a big as or came to mind was that you were in quite well know a few relationships, but you're in kind of a long term throw school. You seem to be in a relationship. Not like maybe you're like a serial monogamist. Yeah, you.

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Yeah. You're really good. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah it wasn't necessarily so.

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And it's obviously when I'd gone into first year I'd never had boyfriends and I was good, but I didn't really kind of like my friends. I don't really you're like you don't say you know, like in first year I said boyfriend from first year to fourth year.

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Well just before fourth year I think. Yeah. And like we got on really well, but it was definitely more like friends and kind of just be like someone to have lunch with. Yeah. Because we were so young. But no, like I think I learned a lot from it. I kind of learned what not to be like in a relationship and what to be like.

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OK, that's interesting because I was I think I was probably quite psycho and I like jealousy, probably like I don't know. I think because it was like your first relationship, you kind of just wanted to make sure that they wanted to be all about. Yeah. Not to sound like a narcissist that. But yeah, you're young and you're like you've got this new sort of relationship and you do want to just to be like you guys like guess and.

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Well, I think that also because we were so young, it wasn't like everyone's like friends are involved. They were like, yeah. Oh did you guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was really awkward. I felt it was like a pressure on us to like case and stuff. Yeah. Which is really weird. You know, if you think about it like I remember a boy like making us hold hands at lunch when was like I remember walking back from the village and they're like, why are you holding hands?

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I mean, they just hold hands. And they were like, whose thumbs on top that stood there, the more dominant one in the relationship. And it came and it was really neat. Yeah, that's a bit intimidating.

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I like because we were going at our the boys and girls that we were friends with, they all end up dating each other, which I think was really weird, like all like there was just a group of like couples who never even considered the whole thing together.

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Yeah. Okay. So maybe not this. Yeah. That's you basically asked what I was going to say is one you. You've learned some things, obviously, from these relationships, very able to help you, not only in further relationships, but just in your social interactions, like for me, I think I struggle with communicating what's going on with the moment, communicating how I feel to other people, even if it's just my friends. Like if you're even saying like like you say I have a crush on a girl and something, I would struggle to even say that to my friends because I don't know, I just like to keep up to myself.

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It's something that I'm not very good at. But I feel like because you have these early relationships, you are able to develop these sort of soft skills, which you say that's accurate.

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Probably like I find it easier to speak to boys, OK, probably having had a relationship because I've had experience before, not like like a relationship where like I felt you speak boys in, like, a friendship.

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Yeah. Because I kind of knew how boys can acted in a closed door, like, OK, yeah. One time what one's like. I think that helped. And like I've always been quite good friends with like a lot of different boys, like just friendship. And yeah, I think probably having a boyfriend early on allowed me to become friends with his friends and see how they were like. And then it helped me develop skills to be able to speak to guys in the same way that I would to his friends.

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Yeah, so that's quite nice. Like I think I definitely developed that and I think I kinda I think the having a relationship so young was also kind of bad, OK, because I think I focused on having my like a boyfriend rather than friends. So like in the first two years of economy, I think I helped friendship groups so much, though I see that as a really cool thing about you.

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When I was in Essex, I remember like one day and like me and my friends I hung out with and the next day you'd be with another group and then the next day you seem to be, you know, but now I'm like, I don't have any friends I can. Yeah, I just got three. Yeah, but everyone loved it when you joined in that group or from my perceptions. But did you not see it that way.

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Probably not. Like I thought it was more like I missed out. If I was spending time with like a certain friend group, I'd come back and be like, oh, yesterday at lunch was so funny.

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I was like I was like, it's like I felt bad for not paying my time into, like, one fine group. Although I like I love all. I still speak to all of my different friends. I'm like, I'm not still I'm just one friend. Yeah. But I think it is hard to keep up if they are all in the same friend group and you're not like. Yeah, like same with at uni. I had different friends at uni for first and second year and then that friend group only had each other, not only had each other but were always with each other.

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I felt like I was missing out on certain parts of their friendship because I wasn't always like. So I think that was a bit weird. I think about helping friendship groups. Yeah. Maybe something about relationships that I maybe gained as well that I didn't have. It was that I could maybe more in the last year or so. It's like they're able to more develop on myself, like think about myself and be more self reflective. Or suppose when you're in a relationship, it's also like a codependent thing where you're thinking of the other person as they are the person more than developing yourself about something that you've ever considered.

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Yeah, I think I've always kind of been in a relationship or been speaking to someone just like I've never really had many times, you know, like I've never really like by myself for very long.

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Yeah. The first time I was by myself in the longest was when I went to country like university. I mean, like the whole way through college. I was always someone. Yeah. But I think now I've gotten better at thinking about myself because of after the second boyfriend. That didn't go very well. I realized that life shouldn't be like a bit of a pushover in a relationship and stuff. Yeah. And like not be so naive. I think having the bad elements of relationships helps also help push yourself further because I wouldn't want to be the same person I was in that relationship that I am.

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Yeah, well good. You mentioned breakups because something that I want to mention was that and P.S., what did we actually learn? Like we could learn about like a P.S. I don't even know what it stands for. Like before you arrived at the look of it was personal social education was like, I don't even know what I'm doing. That shows how much I learned in that class. But it was basically just here's drugs. Drugs are behind, put a condom on.

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All right. But like we could have been learning about these social interactions and like how you deal with breakups and stuff, like people just I imagine it's like such an emotional, overwhelming emotion that people are just going to do crazy. Stop like you could tell people how to manage this whole of. Did you think of a, like, waste time? Yes, I know.

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Also, that's no reflection on the teacher. No, I left out because it was the curriculum you have to teach, but also like. Yeah, just didn't I remember the girls our year were furious that we didn't learn about more serious matters like obviously like rapes. Are they like seriously, we never learned about that. We did all the other stuff that like you kind of knew by from a young age that you kind of knew was given like don't do drugs.

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Like obviously they want to push it, but it's like we did that. So you're like we did it for six years. So I don't and I still don't know anything apart from there. But just do. Yeah. Yeah. I don't do drugs kids like.

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Well I actually do know what else we did apart from I remember that time that we had those big posters and we just wrote a lot. So we're really all that long for like boys and girls, like in a member like everyone pissing themselves should be like having to explain it to you. Oh, yeah. And I was like, what does ring a bell?

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You're like, I don't I think he could, but there's so much we could have done. It could have been better if the curriculum is better.

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Yeah, I think the like at the end of the day you have to teach what. Yeah.

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To teach or move on slightly. You mentioned going into university and the different friend groups you had. Maybe that was impacted by the fact that you and so did I. We both left home in first year. Well I still live at home. But you moved out in second year. Did you regret staying at home that first year? What were your thoughts on? Because a lot of people, I think when they go to university, they're like, I need to go back, I need to go Volberding.

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Whereas I never really had the urge. Yeah. What do you say?

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Well, obviously, like the only unis I got into were Aberdeen and Dumfries, and I was not like that was a no, it was a five hour car journey. And my parents literally were like, we're not going to. So like my Albertina is. Yeah. And like because I only lived like 20 minute drive away, it seemed kind of pointless. And my parents were like, we don't want to have to pay for accommodation. When you literally live in Aberdeen.

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Yeah, this sounds like a gas line and I didn't really think much more of their yeah. They were choice rather than like I did want to move back.

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But I did see their point, like there wasn't much of a point financially, spiritually.

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But like I think I do regret not moving on fresh air because I think that's the time when you obviously meet your friends. A uni. Yeah. Like everyone is still friends with the people that they kinda lived with or like lived in their building up there, you know, like so it was a good decision financially but socially maybe. Yeah. And especially for me, like I love being social, like I have like I love doing things and my friends like as a main thing I do just like friends and stuff.

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But I think because I miss, I felt very lonely for the first couple of times, like you need like obviously we had a class together which was nice, like I think having you and one of my classes I had a girl that went to Iraq, had me in my actual like course. It's like having those people that I knew going to the same uni, going to the same year, like, was really helpful because I think if I didn't have that, like, I actually wouldn't have met like anyone.

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Yeah, because I'm mostly I made my friends there one of the boys and. Ah, you think of his father. Yes. That's literally how I made friends. Yeah. If I had been like, I'm coming with you like I probably wouldn't have met anyone.

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Yeah, well I was slightly different and I don't think I would have been say if I. Well I said yeah, I only go into poverty so I didn't really have much of a choice. But if I went to Glasgow or Edinburgh, I don't think I would have thought, well, moving away. Yeah, I think I needed to stay home. Yeah. I don't think I was ready to move. Ready to move out just to be. Yeah.

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Have that independence. I think I was still to rely on my parents. I probably wouldn't have been able to eat anything. Yeah. I still can't cook. Yeah. That's nothing I can do. I think just socially I wouldn't have been able to like, put myself out there and just go up to like even still in lectures, especially in first year, because my lectures were like 200, 300 people in lecture. So going up and sitting beside someone and saying, hey, like how are you a teenager?

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And to grab a coffee or something, it was like the worst nightmare for me. So having that come from like staying at home and also quite a lot of my friends or at least my closest friends. Yeah. Like your whole group for safety, food and everything. So they are the one Tomatina one to Robert Gordon's. So I didn't feel the pressure to like, go out of my way. I can make new friends, which is like in the hindsight, is pretty bad, but like it was also yeah, it's also good in a way that it was like comforting, like I already had.

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But do you think maybe moving out would push you to actually.

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Yeah, that's something I would have never known. It's I think I was I don't want to harp on the way you want to look, when I did go to America last summer, it was so good in that way. I was like, I've never been away from home for more than three weeks. So like dedicating myself to 10 weeks away, it was was pretty scary.

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But it was also I feel like I've come back since, but I feel like I have grown so much just from my experience. And also it was a good environment to be in because everyone was like calm. So was like loving and accepting of like whoever you are. But like, I feel like I was able to just of be myself and able to flourish in myself, which is good, which is good, which has helped me I think more last semester.

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Like I was just trying to more people in my class, which like in the first year or second year old, I would've never done. So it's a maturity thing is all you say. Yeah, that's true. That's true. And in first year I hated like going out and drinking like alcohol was like my worst night. I felt like when we got to Freshers Week, I would go like, well, that sounds pretty. That's sort of very cool.

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And then like that first I was like, let's go on a pub crawl. And I was like, oh, my worst nightmare. Yeah. You didn't really do much to school. No, I don't know. I just avoided it because. Well, I didn't like the taste, first of all. And I just I think it was more like the social like Atsuko like. Yeah. Like you drinking and like being drunk. I just didn't know what to do.

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I felt uncomfortable with it, like, I don't know, I just felt so like a fish tell. Yeah. When I was like around people drinking. I don't know if you're the sober one and everyone else is drunk. It's awful. Yeah. I hate about you just like I want to go and that's made it worse. I seem like sober up the whole time. So I was like, this is all I have flashbacks and yeah. I just like I would have loved it is worse but yeah.

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Less on the so side. Like I'm much more have to like go to a pub with my friends or go out drinking and then go to a club or something like that. No, not doesn't bring any anxiety at all to me now. So yeah, like you said, it's more mature if you can hear about my dog trying to break into the room. But yeah.

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But you moved out in second year. Yeah. How was, how was the um.

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So because I was paying for myself because also my parents didn't want me to move, so I took that source, but I was having to work a lot more because I was obviously paying for my own food. Yeah. Paying for the fuel, my car and everything, like insurance and stuff.

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So like I end up not really being in the flat very much because with uni placement, other friend groups and work, I was literally in BioCryst like two or three days a week. Yeah. And at my friend's house is like another day or two. You OK? And suddenly the flat like twice. So you don't feel like you're actually going to feel like you were just jumping from place. I was basically still living out of my like overnight bag like.

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Yeah. So which is kind of annoying because like I was I was paying to live in this flat.

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And I think that living in that flat put a damper, like on mine, the girl's friendship, which was a shame because we all got along really well before that in order to move in. Yeah, pretty well.

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And like I think it was a shame that I was basically, like, never there and stuff.

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So I think moving at second year, probably because of the situation I had with work and placement, it's probably not the best decision because I didn't really need to live and maybe wasn't like when you go and you like, visualize, oh, I'm going to be spending so much time with this and it just and I'm going to be like, it's going to be cool. We're going to have like four parties. You're going to be like hanging out together, whereas maybe you're away.

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So maybe from her or the other person's point of view, it wasn't how she visualized it going. And maybe it wasn't like how you visualize. And that's what kind of we both, like, thought a base and then we're both like, oh, this same time reality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like and then of course I know that in third year of uni I did like a lot more placement and I in secondary actually got a really local placement to where I actually like home addresses.

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So I was then driving all the way back home to then. Yeah. Then go back into town and it was like I'm spending more money on fuel than I need to pay, so I'll stay at home. And then this year I got somewhere that's literally two minutes away from my home address. So if I'd lived in town this year. It would seem pointless because it would be a waste of money. Yeah, like barely a Geneina, mostly replacement this year.

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So that's why I kind of was like, oh, cynical, OK, but that's something else. So I feel like I'm just going to write about VSC, but that's something else people could have talked about paying bills like how to force. Oh, yeah. Yeah, just some organizational skills. Nabisco's.

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I do think that I think it would be such a valuable lesson about organizational skills at all. I don't know how to run my life. I'm what, nearly twenty one and I don't want to be an asshole. I'm like, well I don't need to move down so I'm back home by the time I go. I know it's like you're thinking about like a bipartisan like getting married. No, that's not happening.

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Yes, but you. Yeah. Like you said, you moved home in the third year that I almost feel like a step backwards or a failure. I don't want to, but I think you're a failure. Yeah, but did it feel like almost like you'd like not succeeded in moving out? Because I say this because I'm quite keen to move out in my fourth year just because I've get to experience it during university. It's less pressure. And like if I did it when I started a job or something and I want to do it with my other friends who also live at home, but part of their maybe holding back and like committing to because they don't want to move out and then have to move back home.

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So what's your what's your thoughts on moving back after moving?

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It wasn't like the worst thing. Like I like on well with my parents. I was basically home every single day when I did live in town. Yeah, I might just because it was the best move for me to go back home because I was going to have to be forking out money that didn't need to pay like like I don't see is like a step back because I know that eventually one day I will move out. I'm not going on. You would have experienced.

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So yeah. Like when I moved I eventually like I'll understand like how much I've got to put towards like food, how much it goes towards bills like I'm like but the relationships earlier you're probably going to be a better roommate and yourself. Yeah. I've seen what it's like doing the bad way and hopefully not abused. Yeah. Annoying to live with next time.

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So yeah, experience definitely helps I think in the future, but it's good to think of it that way. Yeah. Like that's how you should think. Yeah. Yes. An experience.

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You can learn something from everything. So let's move on to what you study. University. So you're studying to be sorry. You might not be able to hear my dogs like crying at the door again. He wants to be interviewed desperately.

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So you're studying to be a teacher. What motivated this decision is that maybe like a teacher from school that inspired you or that you aspire to be like, uh, like I I've always kind of want to be a teacher.

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I don't really know what, like, first made me think, like, yeah, I wanna be a teacher, but like, I've always been quite good with kids, like I've helped out with after school clubs. So I did like helped out with Guy to help out with a church youth group. I did mentoring a school buddy, you know, all that stuff. Yeah. That was a house captain like I've done so much. So I'm going to join me now.

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Yeah. Like I like helping people understand things. And like one of the things I said, just like one of my best friends at school, she hated school, like she never liked being at primary, never like being a combination of too early. I thought it was a shame because she could have got so much more out of school if she'd enjoyed going to school or maybe she had more effective teacher yet she or the way she learned. Yeah, exactly.

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Because every kid learns like completely different. So I think that kind of pushed me because I was like, I want people to enjoy school. Like, it's not something that I like. Obviously there are still going to be kids. I hate school and that's fine, but I want them to at least enjoy some aspect of the day. Did you enjoy the academic side of school? I always had quite good teachers. Yeah. And I obviously quite like my class.

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Like, we were really lucky because obviously were in the same class cabin that we decided, OK, though has been dealt with.

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You can go and yes, I like we all sad really like nice kids in our class. Yeah. You got me. So I think having like inside jokes of the whole class, like getting along really well, you know, helped out with like enjoying the Godbee enough that I really like primary school because like I had friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I think having the people to push me to like school, like there's a reason to go see because obviously if you like your teachers, then you start to enjoy the classes like of the you like waterslides and all that stuff.

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Yeah I, I.

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Loved by the school all through school, all of the social sciences, like teachers were amazing, like the penthouse apartment three blocks that way, although it wasn't something naturally I'd be like, oh, yeah, I want to learn about, like, I love, like history or studies because the teachers were all like, so good at their job, like they made you want to know about stuff like did it in a fun way. Yeah. Like you didn't necessarily have to do like a boring like just write down information like we did like mock elections.

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Yeah. Yeah. Which I won. Like things like that should be fun. So yeah that helped like that kind of pushed me to be like, oh I want to be a teacher.

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That makes learning fun. I know that sounds really cringing like but yeah it's true. And like I never went into school thinking I love like going to academy thinking oh I love politics, I love modern studies. But it was really a long shot name because it's quite nice. But Mr. Bradley and Mr. Parkson were so good in that they made you love the subject. And I think because they were passionate about the subject, because people people enjoy what other people are passionate about, like you just like because it's is like it comes off like people really enjoy it.

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So you enjoy it more, I think just instinctively.

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Yeah. Kids can tell when teachers are scared, when they don't know what they're talking about. Yeah. And that puts you off like I remember having like I'm not gonna say your name, but I'm a math teacher that had no control over the class. Yeah. And like you could tell. And so obviously the boys in our class love that they're right and they just know stuff like this, like her kind of and stuff. And that was really bad.

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Like I think I don't want to be a teacher like that. I don't want to be like a pushover. Yeah.

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Like can see weakness, like, you know, I mean, I think it's how you hold yourself as a person. You could be really scared, but if you don't show it like that's kind of what I want to do. There's also when I think of teaching, there's a fine line between being like the student's friend and also being like an authoritative figure. Is that like is that like a line I like?

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Yeah, I like see, every time I've done a placement or was like, oh you like get out of really well kids like they'll love you, but like you find it really hard to tell them off. And I do like I remember like I said, p fives am I like last placement. So before they're do and they were so funny they like honestly but they would like joke with me and I would say something like no, I don't want to do that.

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And I'm like, well you probably should have, you know, I'm like OK, I can't yell at you. Like I don't want you guys to hate me because I'd rather than respect and like me and do the work, but also sometimes they don't. It's hard to be like human nature to just want them to like, yeah, I was the same mentioned in America again. We had because I was I'd be in charge of like seven or eight kids for a week and the first week.

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But you just sort of like thrown into it. Well, you have a week of training, obviously, but like when the day you're just thrown into and it's like, oh God, I'm here and I'm in charge of some kids and you just want them to like you because you want them to enjoy their experience. But we have this thing called Flow of the Week, though. We talked about a lot where you got to be stoic, stern at the beginning.

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And as the week goes on, you can, like, ease up a bit and then become like more fun, you say? Yeah, pretty much. You just got to, like, sort of not care. But they might not love you instantly because you go on, like, set down the rules. Yeah. Because in that first week I was more lenient and it was more like, yeah, it's just more lenient. So for the rest of the week they were able to like get away with stuff I really shouldn't have been able to get away with.

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So but last week I was horrible. But yeah, you've got to be more strict and then sort of ease up a bit. But it's still really tricky.

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Oh, God, yeah. Like, I still find it hard, like I've gone to this. So this is my second placement this year and I'm still awful. And I was in two different classes, so I don't think he'll be awful, just like I do, especially when I was with nursery kids. And I'm like, they don't listen. Even if you are just like you basically are just like I was just like playing Legos with the mouse dress up and stuff.

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Like it was really hard because it was like we're taking lessons. So it's not like it would just be like don't hate each other. Yeah, it's not the same. Yes, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. That's where the company is like. Yeah. Other laughs it's like if you're not you're their mum, they're not going to listen to you. Yeah.

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Exactly what, what values do you think you'd like to instill in people. Obviously. About like maybe with the growing focus on mental health and social media. So maybe you want to install maybe more expression and like how people feel, or is it not really something you thought about because you're in primary? So it's not like big a deal.

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They still do things in primary school about like at the last place they did this thing called Circle Time. And it was like they sat down and there was like a discussion that they had and it was like, so who's a friend that you have? And then you talk about your friend and what you did with your friend.

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And then you would talk about like, who's an older friend that you have, like the same things and talk about like they would talk about feelings and stuff then. So although it wasn't like a serious it still you're still encouraging them. You're still talking about things that you wouldn't normally talk about at school. Yeah.

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So he was really good and like I think you should, although they don't really understand what's going on. I think from a young age you should try and get them to talk about the feelings or something. They just carry on when they go to college. Feels much when it's a more serious matter. So obviously that's when you get your, like, stress and anxiety from like exams like. Yeah. So I think also like just because a kid's young doesn't mean they can't have mental health issues.

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So there's a lot of kids that have anxiety from the age of like six or seven just because they've gone through like a traumatic experience. So you still need to think of those things.

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Primary school teacher Hunterson. So I think I would want to try and make sure that my class feels like they can trust each other as well as me and be more open, like accepting like I would want kids to be nice to each other because there's so many different things and like so many different personalities, that kids can be like there's always going to be a cloches. Yeah, but like to you're always going to not like someone but never make them feel like you've got to respect everyone.

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Just because you're not they're not your best friend doesn't mean that you can treat them like well. So I think especially like we went to such a small school that you couldn't hide from people that you don't like.

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So I think that's something that, like, I would want to carry on. Like you have to just get on today when you're older, it's going to be the same thing. There's going to be like, hey, yeah, that's a really good point. It's going to be exactly the same when you're older. You're going to have to meet all the military people.

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What's really good, I think you would be well, are going to be in a place just from talking to, you know, about it.

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That's really all I have. I think I'm going to and these podcasts up so slightly differently now after the first one is something that my mom sort of was if anyone's watched a program called Inside the Actors Studio, it was this guy and he was from a drama school and he interviewed like famous actors would come in and they'd ask him about, like acting techniques and roles. But he would always and the interview was the same set of questions. And I thought it was quite nice.

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But you can almost compare and contrast. And I mean, people want to come on something to like think about if you are going to come and chat to me. But my mom says probably Oprah Winfrey does it well. So she's cool. But yeah. So I'll just ask these questions and then Dawn will just give an answer and I won't go into them at all. But just being a nice waiter and the and the conversation. So what is your go to snag lightly salted calcars which is really boring.

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One person everyone should follow on social media.

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Chris Pratt, your guilty pleasure taking selfies with your favorite curse word.

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Shit. What's your favorite quality about yourself? My confidence. And what's one thing you'd like to improve about yourself?

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My organizational skills. Thanks for joining me, Dawn. It's been really fun to chat with you.

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That's been really fun. Thanks for having me. Cool. Well, what was our conversation? I hope you enjoyed listening to it as much as I did, actually having the conversation. And hopefully this will be a good basis of reference for more of my friends to come and chat with me on the podcast. In the meantime, like I said at the beginning, I have a Facebook page called A Proportional Response was Sean Walker what you can like? And and you'll hear from me soon with another guest.