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Hey, everyone, welcome back to a Proportional Response podcast, I'm Shaun Walker, and today my guest is Sean Caldwell. Now, we have both had the great fortune of working at summer camps in the United States. So I decided to take this opportunity to chat with him about this common experience. We started with initial impressions.


That is one thing they were all very welcoming like, yeah, the the moment they got you got there, like you were one of their friends before, covering a range of similar memories, including both highs and lows.


By the end of it, I was like, you can talk to whoever you want. Any counselor is going to be there.


Yeah, I really enjoyed recounting what is the best experience of my life with Sean, so I hope you enjoy it, too. So here's our conversation. OK, I'm here with Sean.


How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing good. This conversation is pretty much just going to be sort of going to Camp America, or maybe I'm not going to come to America depending on how it goes. But yeah, I think we both have this in common and it's like a nice sort of adventure that we've both had. So it's a cool thing that we can both relate to in a way. So I thought it would be fun to chat about.


Um, so first of all, what in particular, maybe what made you want to go into camp in the summer for the first year?


Yeah, it's like I wanted to go traveling and I had I had a couple plans which kind of fell through OK. And then just went on Google and just Googled things to do in summer camp America came up OK and just signed up and an application and that was it. OK, so is that. Yeah, because I mean from my perspective I wanted to do like a semester abroad or something, but I thought like year was probably an important year and I didn't want to go away.


So I thought during summer I might be a bit easier. And also I'd never so I haven't moved out of my house and I have a semester away. So sort of like the first big step out. So I stayed away from. Yeah. So like it was ten weeks in total though, and I don't think I've been away from my family for like more than to so young. But yeah, I did it through. There was a go abroad for university though because, because I did it through a company called CS USA rather than like the traditional company that everyone else seems to do.


But they worked really well as well. Tell us a bit about the count, like where was it? How many stock was there? So the first year it was it was eighty. I think it was 86.


Oh, my gosh, yes. It's eighty six staff and only ten of them were internationals, OK. And the rest were Americans and it was bang in the middle of America. Right in Iowa. OK, which is just like a more American version of Scotland. Just farms everywhere. Yeah. And like you could drive for miles. Oh you'll see the same things. Yeah.


How many kids did you have like come in a week.


If you had eighty staff went there was up to 300 kids would come every week.


That's a pretty good ratio. Yes. Composters. Yeah. Because I went to two different camps so I might come. Someone was split between two camps, both the same stop so we moved. So for the first two weeks we were in a camp in the north California, and then we moved down for another five weeks, I think, to one sort of near San Francisco, going all the way from San Francisco bar. We only had, I think, twenty two staff and I think we had maybe up to two hundred kids.


So we were like, oh, so did you have like would they stay for a week or were they just like. Yeah. So that was like the odd kid that would stay to eat. So we even had one girl that stayed for six weeks. Crazy. But yeah, it was pretty much every week you got new companies, media companies.


But um, so you must have had like twenty kids per year maybe had I think we had just less than two hundred because we all had about ten companies each and and there was about four staff. Yeah. Like Oh I can't leave stuff. OK, so we probably out of our 180 170 so we're still pretty, pretty full long. Were you worried at all when you were going there, you were just so going to be stuck out there and.


It's going to be an awful experience because it's quite a long time. How long were you there? And so last year I was there for 12 while I was there for 13 weeks, OK, because I went travelling afterwards. Yes.


Of camps camp is eight weeks with last year's two weeks of staff training. OK, so I did 10, 10 weeks at camp. Yeah, that's right. And yeah, I mean when I on the plane well in the airport leaving I was just walking through and I saw quite a lot of people just wearing Kalmykia t shirts, like wondering OK, yeah like that.


Kind of just gave me a bit, made me feel a bit more comfortable because it was so many other people feeling the exact same thing. And then I when I was waiting in line for my flight, there was a girl who was wearing a black t shirt and I just spoke to her. Yeah. Where you going? Into the Iowa account. First I was like, no, that's where I'm going. So turned out this girl was going to the exact same camp.


I mean, did the exact same flights. So we just stuck together for the. But she was a returner. So she she went back. She went in twenty seventeen. I went twenty eighteen. Yeah. And we both won again this year. It's all very nice and well she's from she's from Glasgow. Okay. So yeah. And but it was, it was just pure chance. We had the same flights and that made me feel better.


Yeah. I was lucky because she was a returner as well.


She just explained like why I was getting into and she did say like the first week you're going to be incredibly overwhelmed and not knocking out a clue what's going on at any point. But, yeah, you just just jump in and you'll have a good time. Yes, that's exactly how I felt. But though I was just trying to sort of block out with most positivity. Yeah. Like as I arrived because I was the first to arrive because I asked if I could come out because we had a week of stop training.


Yeah. And then, well, we had a week of like lifeguarding and ropes training and then a week of actual sort of camp counselor training and then started. But when I arrived, I asked if I could come like a day early just because it so fit in most flights better. Yeah. So I was there before everyone else to stay in the cabin by myself and I think a mixture of sort of like the jet lag and not eating stuff or eating random things, but like the whole of the person I was constantly throwing.


Oh really. Yeah. I was like, well you know one of the. Yeah. So I was just like, OK, just get through tonight, just like last night. And like tomorrow we better go meet new people and stuff. But that was sort of like I feel like if I'd succumb to just thinking, oh my God, what am I getting myself into on my first night, whatever. Know how much. Yeah, but I think it was important just to sort of get through that sort of first hurdle.




But when I got there I got there about seven o'clock and they were having dinner. Yeah. I walked in, they were all eating. Oh they, they had already me out that. Yeah. Well yeah they'd arrived that morning OK. But I arrived in the evening with Jenna who was the. Yeah.


The girl and yeah it was, it was very weird because they all just looked at me and everyone was like Gemma you know, hey guys, I was just kind of standing there and like as they all many of them were already there on your own.


Probably about 60 percent. Oh OK. So like a good solid sixty seven you know. Oh wow. Yeah. And then I just, just started dating my brother.


And honestly, there are still people from the first year at the end of the summer, they just like the quiet ones who didn't really talk much. I was like Nicole I.


Yeah, did you have camp names. But you went by um. So some people were a lot of people had nicknames from like as campers because.


Yeah, the counselors were campers and then became counselors instead of the place. So much like some people have been there for 16 years. Yeah. And it's insane. Go back every summer. But they had nicknames and stuff from that. But when I arrived I didn't really have a nickname there. I had nicknames. Yeah, one of them. Somebody saw me messaging the group chat, my rugby group chat, my nickname. And that is Stingray, OK?


And it just stuck from there. OK, so you didn't really choose that? No, not really. OK, because when the kids are multicore you Sean, I introduced myself estimate to the kids because it just became my name. Yeah. And then to the parents like when you mean it's just absolutely OK because we.


It was compulsory pretty much that where you had to use names and we weren't allowed to call anyone by their real name, just so I think it was because the kids couldn't find you on Facebook. No, I mean, you didn't stop afterwards, but. Yeah. So even when you were, like, introducing yourself to the parents, like, hi, I'm like, okay, my guess is that. Yeah, what was that stuff?


I think I just wanted something that was slightly Scottish. All right. So like so many surnames here begin with like or stereotypically to start with Mark and also a TV character like I like in a program called Mark. All right. So I just got busy also kind of have to be so short. So if it was too long, I would be, like, really annoying to say. Yeah, it was quite a tricky one, though. The other.


We only had two internationals, including me, so me and an Australian guy. And then the rest of the other 20 were American. Yeah. And his name was Lokke. So we had not a lot because the two internationals you can really write. Um, yeah. What was your first impressions of the camp and although your first impressions of staffers might have been quite intimidating. Yeah, you're welcome to 60 people. But maybe what was just your first impressions of the camp as well?


The camp was pretty much exactly what I thought camp an American camp would be. Yeah, like it was cabins. Like log cabins. Yeah, just a lot of electricity. Yeah. So we had electricity and like the stuff the office had was OK, but like it was awful. But we you didn't really get service like. Yeah kind of. Well you didn't, you didn't spend it.


Where in Compuware because we had our camp was Masowe. We, it was like 40 acres OK. It was cheap and we were all kind of located in these four acres, OK, in a corner. And then the rest was like forests which were used for like activity. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, it knows exactly what I thought it was, but it was a lot more. Just it was a lot bigger than I thought it was going to be.


Everything in America is big.


I should tell us how big and how many stops there was going to be when you got there. No, no, I didn't have a clue. OK, so I really hadn't been told. Much like apart from the girl. Yeah. Yeah. Like, up until that point, I knew nothing. Yeah. And when I got when I got there, it was quite a shock to the system. I didn't quite throw up everywhere. I was like, yeah, it was quite weird.


And because we were we're six hours ahead in the UK and I got there, it was like midnight. So I was absolutely shocked. I had been traveling for like 12. OK, yeah, actually I think it was like 15 hours and I was absolutely shattered and everybody was bouncing off the walls like the old excited to see people. And that is one thing they were all really welcoming like. Yeah, the the moment they got you got there, like you were one of their friends.


I was in exactly the same but very so physical and their affection as well. Yeah. I mean you have and I was like oh I just want to go to bed. Yeah. I was the same, it was eight hours back so I felt like I'd been going for ages but was like it was just all afternoon for them. Yeah. Although I was the first to arrive so I was just meeting the directors and stuff which was cool. But then I was sort of like us.


They came in for the lifeguard training.


It was sort of like and then the next day like arrived Harki and then the day after that, like eight or so people, I think it was that the lifeguard course. And then when you one of them. Yeah. And then the and then we met the rest of the twelve. So it was quite nice when I met them so gradually. Yeah. Rather than like hear them all coming in at once. So plus I was pretty nervous about making a good first impression.


Yeah. Well I really like trying to be like super smiling.


So I was like waving and smiling but yeah I have well I feel like everybody has a completely different personality. Yeah. Like your you but you're just more. Yeah.


Like I don't even know like Gafford and you're just gonna be more like you're allowed a version of yourself essentially. Yeah. And yeah. Because when I got there last year I arrived in first I was one of the first, I was on the first day of stop training. I arrived, got there, had dinner and then went to bed. And then the next day I was a lifeguard as well and lifeguarding started straightaway like eight thirty in the morning.


Yeah. So we were lifeguarding and there was I think there was ten of us, ten lifeguards and we like I just got to know that group. Yeah. And we were completely separated for the rest of camp like all the other councillors because they were all getting trained in other things. OK, we were just solely in the pool. Yeah. The entire day. So I would get back like to lunch and dinner and everybody would like know each other by then.


I just knew nine of the past year and it was it was quite weird.


But like eventually you get to know everybody, you do like evening activities and stuff. It just it's like group building activities and then he gets off. Yeah. But this year I completely missed the first deselected three weeks. Stephanie, I don't know why. OK, and there was only sixty stuff. Yeah. But I completely missed the first two weeks. OK, so again when I got there everyone knew each of their friend groups and I got there and there was barely any returners this year.


OK, so last year pretty much in ninety nine percent of them were returners. This year I was one of them and there was I think it was eleven of the people, OK, and it was completely like I was one of the experienced and responsible ones like or the like the, the bosses and stuff like look to you and the terrorist leaders there. And I was like. I don't know what the heck's going on, I just got here as well, and they all made their friends and stuff, but I just got out into the international group that was about 20 internationals this year.


So it was a lot more there's a lot more of them. So they just invited me out because the day I got this year when I got there one in the morning, so I walked into this cabin with a bunch of people. Well, that's a good start. And then went to bed. And then the next morning I was allowed to lie. And so I thought I was going to be at the time.


So they let me lie in a bit and the others were already away training. So when I got up, I just got up, went down to the kitchen, made myself some breakfast, and then like just went and looked for people because I didn't know what the heck I was doing.


And it was so weird because I like it was weird being back at the same camp and looking at everything. But it still being different. Yeah, it felt different because there was nobody there. I really mean, yeah, I was scared and yeah, restaurateur's among the people running the place to say yeah OK, they were all the same. So I like that. Kind of made me feel a bit. Yeah.


I knew, I knew some people, they knew what you were doing.


The internationals just made me went out for dinner that night and it's like that was it.


Yeah. That was my friends. Well I quite liked about the staff is how diverse they were in some cultures because here I mean we're told whitewashed and I know there's not many different ethnicities or cultures specifically like the small town. I'm think so. Yeah, but so there was like African Americans, Mexican Americans or even just people from California. We're like crazy different too. Yeah. Just because I was the only Scottish. But I think about maybe why it was easy for me to just start conversation because they pretty much knew nothing about it like they do just made up.


I mean, yeah, there was times where I did camper's you can make up whatever you want. Yeah. Just of like yeah. I have no idea. I brought like a lightweight kelt with me so they're like, oh I'll try on this show. I'm like kind of what I was, you know, I wasn't like a big old prophet thing because now I put a sweater over the extreme way to you. Oh yeah.


Oh it was I took this and it was everybody wanted to try it.


Yeah. Camper's counselors, even the boss wanted to and I gave it to him and he just appeared at dinner one night. It was really funny, but it's it's just really strange, like being able to see different cultures and the way they do stuff.


And yeah, it's just fun to experience think.


What would you say to people that say, oh, I'd love to do come to America? What would be like the first thing you give them advice on or tell them?


I would just like you know, the only advice I think I would give people who want to do it is just be yourself, OK? But don't be afraid to do anything. Just jump right into the deep end. Yeah. You're going to be put in the deep end. Don't drown. Like, I don't know how else to explain it. Like, just be as out there as you can. Yeah. And you'll have a good time. Yeah.


I agree.


I would say I remember because we had to do before I when we got to everyone that was going to America and Scotland through the Scots saying, oh yeah, OK, I had to do a briefing thing in Edinburgh. Yeah. On the first one of the first thing she said is this It's going to be the hardest job I've ever worked in your life, which may or may not be true, but it's the hardest I've ever worked today. Yeah.


So I would say not like you. It would be amazing. Like when we do it and do like take every opportunity they say you want to do, let's just say yeah, yeah, yeah.


We had a rule, it wasn't a rule, it was kind of like a the rule was just say yes. Yeah. Just out of the question say yes. Yeah. And like because we had challenges and stuff, we had chance which was like lick the floor was like the floor. And it was there was so many things like run around the dining hall. Yeah. And you just you just have to do so. The characters are going in and you're like, all right.


Yes. I feel like three hundred people now. Cheering Yeah, exactly. And then like I had Camper's who said one of the counsellors did it to me. He was like lick the floor and stay on the floor. And then all my campers were like, what's his name, what's his name? We'll get him back. He was like, It's Hosie. And they were like, OK. And then I had all my campers just chanting his name, trying to get into them and.


Yeah, and it just went on from there and it cycled around every single council. Yeah.


Natsuko um I decided not to go back this year. Um, mainly I'll see why. I didn't before you saying maybe that's why you did particularly want to go back. Is that it was of like we have for some directors and three of them, we're moving away to a different camp because the person that run like the YMCA for the whole of like that part of America was sort of changing the rules and making it more strict. And that would consult, like actively play with the kids.


Yes, I saw the movie and like, really so annoying changes. And then he decided to close down and become the first one to for the first two weeks. So sort of in protest of that as well. So although one of the guys was staying, the directors who was amazing, like the other three sort of were leaving. And then I got the impression a lot of the stop time was the way because you get quite close. Yes. I wouldn't want to do most of them weren't coming back.


So I was like, well, if it's going to be completely different. So the leadership and completely different people, then I'm quite happy, just so I believe as a one off experience that I really enjoy. Yeah, well, it turns out like quite well.


I say like I think maybe a torso's in my time. So it was a fair amount actually. But I suppose when you're asking people right after are you're going to come back next year, they're probably more lenient saying no, just because it's such a long time, like you do need a break when you're done. So, yeah, I maybe would have gone back like I gone, but just like looking at snapshots and stuff. Yeah. People back there.


But at the same time, I've had positives of not going. But why what in particular made you go back.


I'd kind of been planning it like wanting to since last year and then like it's just I wasn't really didn't really have any plans this summer. Yeah. So I was like, well let's not do that again. And yeah. Like I just love the place so much. Like I want to go back again for 30 years. Yeah. Probably will be my final year.


I want to go back again for my third year and yeah. Just going back and like there were so many campers from last year who remembered me.




And like because because you have 300 kids a week, I was like, I can't remember now. I'd be like there was a few like because I had some of my own campers, my 16 year olds last year. Yeah. They become like turtles. So they're still campers, but they help out with leading activities in the same as. So yeah. And they were all my grad's six year olds are classes like graduates because they're not camper. They don't come back to campus.


Yeah. Because anymore. And I had I didn't have them but they all sold me and like and it was, it was, it felt really good to be like you guys actually had a good summer your last summer as a camper and you really enjoyed it and you came back again.


Was it on a side note, were you ever so intimidated by them in the sense that, like, I don't know if you've never been to like I come alone, like I'm sort of an American come and these kids, like, I've been going for like six years like this. And you're like, I'm meant to be like sort of authority figure to you, but, you know, weighs more than me. We are just, like, intimidated.


Like, I was not so much intimidated by the kids in that sense, because when I have the older kids, it was my seventh week or so. So like by that point, I was always going, yeah, but it was weird. Like first couple of weeks when there was sixteen year olds, I never had I only had one six year old cabin. Yeah. But first couple of weeks with the other 16 year olds like wandering around like they knew so much more than me.




Like I didn't have a clue what was going on and that was really quite scary. But like what really scared me was some of these kids looked older than some of the counselors. Yeah. Like here, I swear in America they just look older, like here they go. But there was like fifteen, sixteen year olds who I genuinely thought, like, some of them had beards and stuff. I was like, are you sort of for the just this once in the water, you know, what do you eat it.


But it, it was very surreal and.


Yeah but I'm going back by the end of it. Yeah. And it was gone.


So you said earlier that a lot of the stuff didn't return or did. I can't remember.


So this year that didn't last year they will return this year that didn't. It's mostly because a lot of them like when it got jobs and OK, like couldn't come back this year. Yeah. It's a long commitment. Yeah. But I think so. I think what it normally is is like, it's in like bye bye years. I don't even know it. Yeah. It's like it will be the same stuff for two years and then it changes.


OK, so I was in between the change. OK, so last year. Their second year and this year, this year will be the same year, so next year we're going to be the same again and that is going to change. That's what I've been told. Well, I kind of figured out. Yeah, but it's coming. We you just stop saying, yeah. Yeah. Like this year they're all brand new. OK, like, most of them were really young this year.


I was one of the oldest this year. Yeah. It was nice being 21 though. Yeah. But last year kind of sucked. Yeah. But these are for fun when you can go and buy drinks having to wait outside.


I did end up being a lot of people's go to stop buying drinks but it didn't bother me too much. Yeah.


Did you feel a lot better at your job because of the experience experiences. Not early. Again they so relied on me more but more. Did you enjoy being relied on more or did you find it kind of annoying because you just sort of wanted to go under the radar?


And I didn't I didn't like I enjoyed the responsibility of like a lot of people would come up to me and be like, hey, stingray, what's like what's going on?


Yeah, I kind of enjoyed being the one giving advice because going on this year and yeah. Giving advice. But also like there were times where I was like, I just need to get some myself, please leave me alone.


And like especially towards the end of the summer when you'd been doing it for eight weeks and you're just like, like on the eighth week as well. Everyone's you're supposed to be really positive and all and everything. But on the 8th, the last week, everyone's really depressed. It's like Groundhog Day. Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's everything's the same. But also everyone's leaving and it's getting so close to everyone going, oh, you've got so close to these people.


The entire week, eight people are crying like there's counsellors covering up their tears, like hide it from the kids and the kids, because these kids it's that first day of what that first week of college. Yeah. And they're like it to them. It's just your first week. Exactly. So it's quite hard being, like, really positive in the last week. But you imagine.


Yeah, it's not for everyone because like sometimes they want to leave a bit early, like a couple of weeks early because I have a commitment. So it's like we sort of filtered out of it. And so it's less so harsh and like everyone leaves. But still I mean, we had a couple returners like throughout the summer, like people who came for like one or two weeks because they couldn't get into the whole summer. So they would just come and volunteer for a week or work for a week.


And that was that was quite nice because you got kind of like a surprise. And Sunday morning, when you're overwhelmed by all these new kids and then suddenly there's a new counsellor that I remember from last year, like, oh, my God, yeah. Hey. So that was kind of like a boost because it's a new friend. Yeah. And then, yeah, it's quite funny that you like you spend such an intimate amount of time with like and you're spending like almost all day, every day for like ten weeks with these people.


And then suddenly it's like OK, but it's the things that count as well.


You realize like you are with them 24/7 pretty much, but also you're not because you can't like have normal conversations with them because there's kids all around.


Yeah. With your you're supposed to be with supposed to be with your kids all the time. Yeah. And then like when you try and speak to another counselor there will be somebody like one of the bosses will just appear and be like get kids. It's like oh God. Like I swear they're just waiting that for you to say a single word to the counselor. But like, you still get really close with them, even though you're not actually with the counselors.


Yeah. That much. And then on your breaks, like you get a night off and a Saturday off and your night off is just from five thirty to ten thirty. Last year it was six thirty to midnight. OK, this is five thirty till ten thirty was recorded. But on your nights off you just go, go get dinner and like hang out at the docks down by the lake because we were, we were in a lake resort. OK, so like are we're in a really big place.


The cheapest house in the lake was like two million. Oh my. So yeah that's crazy. Was, it was insane but and they all have boats and like Yeah. Lake houses and they were really nice. And so the it's like it's quite touristy place. Yeah. Like a lot of retired. Did you go all the time like on your days off your face or else or you didn't always stay somewhere else, you normally just went like you, you would go out, you'd have like some occasionally people would have a party or.


Yeah but because I was 21 I just went to the pub, the bar this year it was a lot more. It was chill. Yeah. It was more relaxed. Yeah. You could really talk to her a lot. Yeah. Yes, you said I picked you up from the train station. The disaster, but you said in the car somewhat jokingly that you had a couple breakdowns during summer. Oh, yes. So I just thought I'd sort of find out how that so went about how this whole thing manifested and how you dealt with those the low periods during that time.


Yeah, you do get some major low periods where you have like a really stressful week. Yeah. Campers aren't getting along enough capital to bullying each other as well. And it just gets really horrible and like. Yeah, and you just you just snap. Yeah. You reach a point because you're trying because you have to put on a smile and be positive 24/7. And that really that's that for me was the most tiring thing. Yeah. Was being this happy like person.


Twenty. Oh certainly so personal. And you have to be having this energy and being happy like doing all these fun things. And it's, it's so hard when um like because sometimes as well you, you don't get a chance to take a break, know like there's something going on and you can't take a break. Yeah. And there's days like that when you finally do get a break, you, you just like you sit back in a chair and you just.


Yeah, yeah. This finally got a chance. And when you're like Spencer you're with as well. If you're with like some of your closest friends like and they're like, oh, so how was your how's your day? And I'm just like, oh, it's like dying in your head. And that's just when you break down and they'll just they just sit there and listen to you complain. Yeah. It's nice having other people. And I was like, oh, they're experiencing now a good way of dealing with it, just sort of spewing their thoughts to someone almost.


That's yeah. That's what I would do. Yeah. I'm quite bad. It I like to hold everything in. Yeah I think. I think. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I don't really like telling people what's going on. Like I to say I'm fine, I'm fine whatever. And things like Facebook and then. Yeah. OK, yeah. Because there was one bad night where I got like I had a really horrible weekend, I got drunk that evening and I just like oh I couldn't control everything just came out.


Yeah. But I felt so much better the next day. Yeah. And just having people around me like being there for me because of like because they knew what was I was going to probably been through it the week before, a couple of days before.


So they didn't make you think that maybe you do need to sort of share like that's something as well as my own makes you do that. By the end of it. I was like, you can talk to whoever you want. Any counselor is going to be there. Yeah. So like Ditmar, they vote because they're all experiencing the same thing. They're going through the exact same thing. So when you talk to them, they talk to you. It just helps both of you out.




And I'm sure there are times where they were so feeling low and you the person I was just sitting there listening like I did a couple times. Yeah, it's. Yeah, um, I think so. And I'm going to go to work soon. So as much as I would love to keep telling about America because it's really like probably like the best experience I've had in my life was going over there. Yeah. So I'd love to speak about all day, but I do I actually need to get ready for work soon, so unfortunately I have to cut it.


We can jump into the questions if you'd like.


So do you Giovinco go to school here when I'm home. Rice Krispie rice cakes. Oh really. They're so easy to just nibble. Yeah. Yeah they fill you up OK. You can just have like one or two and it's, it's not many calories you're not putting on so. Yeah I know. I'm just gonna. It's not. Yeah. Cool. And it's. Yeah. OK. What's a personal page that everyone should follow on social media.


Scottish parterre. Oh yeah. So for me I had people in America. Yeah. I mean it's so funny. I didn't understand it. Yeah I understand the words but it is so funny. Yeah. That's good. A guilty pleasure. It's a hard one to think of this one.


I mean I'm probably just going to say that great to Sherman. Yeah. I mean I can't think of anything else when you're belting out the great show. Yeah. Yeah. OK, yeah. I'll take them.


Um, your favorite curse word pillock I guess. Think it's funny when Scottish people like really Glaswegian people say it. Yeah. Yeah. Well my dad says that stiches. You could, you could be swearing at me constantly. I'd still be laughing because of it.


Oh. So what's your favorite quality about yourself.


I like to think well I like to try to be selfless. Yeah. Like just put other people first. Yeah. No really. Think about like, well, not really, not think about myself, but, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah. Make sure everybody else is having a good time having a good time for a while.


Yeah, that's nice. Agree of that. Um, what is one thing you'd like to improve yourself. My confidence, as much as I feel like especially the last two years with America, like I've been on your show, they bring you out your show so much more, especially this year. Again, I'd still like to be just that little bit more. That's fun because you want to go home. I like to put myself out, you know, virtually unheard of.


Yeah. Because I don't really separate. Matthew Morrison said the same thing. It's like to be more comfortable when he initially meets people like I mean, you know, it's like he's pretty confident, but like most people. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you for joining me to keep it fun and hopefully my my other people want to do. Yeah. Great. Thank you. Thank you.