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Hey, everyone, and welcome back to a proportional response podcast. I'm Shaun Walker, and today my guest is Matthew Morrison. I asked him about a trip to Guyana and the traumatic experience of getting lost in the rainforest.

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So it does make you appreciate family, especially friends. Kind of. Yeah, life can be sometimes it's there's oh, it can always be worse. And I'd be thankful for what you have.

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I talked to him about our holidays together, his close relationship with his family before talking about his newly found radio experience.

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I did my first show came off and my mom and dad had been listening and they had messaged me and I was like, samisen son.

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Matthew was a fantastic guest. He was so genuine and funny as ever. So I really hope you enjoy this episode. So without further ado, here it is. OK, I'm here with Matthew. How are you? Not about how are you? I'm doing good. I must say. Actually, you're probably one of the most subdued reaction to the microphone. Usually I get like a few words. You're just like, oh, that's pretty cool. It is quite fun.

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Can you give me maybe it's about to do with your radio career, which we might speak about later. I might be coming up. So I wanted to start with the fact that you took a year out before you went to university, right? Yes. And you went to Guyana, South America, not in Africa, as everyone knows, in Africa. So what inspired you to take this choice? What made you want to do it?

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I think I was also quite young for my year at school. And so I thought going into uni, I only 17 and I'm far from the most mature person anyway. So an immature 17 year old going to uni wasn't always going to be the best of ideas.

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But then maybe going to Guyana is probably scarier that not because, I mean, people take years out when they go to far off places. But I've never heard of anyone going to South America or less developed countries.

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I think it was kind of just it wasn't just obviously like going around on backpacking, which I wanted to do, but my parents were less keen on that. OK, but also went a charity called Project Trust. So you go for a year, you either teach it English, you can teach secondary, teach primary or any sort of like helping out in a developing country. I didn't actually went to originally do the teaching part. I went on to the selection course to go to Namibia because they did journalism.

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You know, she works like a local newspaper. And in Libya. Yeah, and that's what I'm studying at university. So I thought, oh, that'll be really cool. So when and I was telling them, I want to go to that in the way I do, the journalism sat down, they welcomed us and they said, just get started. There's two projects we're not doing. The first one is in the neighborhood and everyone is in the league.

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When I was like, I've come all the way because it's a middle of and I love coaches in the middle of the Hebrides. It took me like 24 hours to get there. And then I find out that I was like, there's no point in me being here. Yeah, I'll just listen to what they've got to say.

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OK, so you really enjoyed traveling and you're like maps and you're like counting the number of countries you've been to and stuff like that. Was that something you were interested in before you won or was it something you developed as a result of travelling to South America?

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I have always loved traveling and my mom, she backpacked for ten years when she left school. She left in fifteen and backpacked for ten years. I didn't know that. So I think she's always found it hard to stay in one place for a long time. Yeah. And so as soon as I was old enough to go on holiday, she always took me. Yeah. So I always enjoyed that. But I think Guyana definitely kind of made me a lot more and passionate about it and want to do it a lot more.

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You mentioned teaching. What subjects did you teach or it was mainly English, you know, as a teacher, because obviously the national language of Ghana is English. Oh, is it? Which is one of the reasons why I chose it was going elsewhere. Yeah. And so, yes, I was teaching English literature, so I was actually teaching like Shakespeare. Yeah. I got to choose which poets I taught.

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So I taught them knowing McCaig because we did that and we did that for ovulated Tom Patterson as well, which we did in fifth year, was kind of just regurgitating what I've learned.

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So that's that's a good idea. Did it make you sympathize with teachers that we had at school?

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Yes, definitely. I'm on my way down to my first day of uni on drugs. I was top to the mic Tolosa in Dundee. I happened to bump into Dr Scanlon. Yeah, he was my old chemistry teacher. And the first words I said to Russell was, I'm so sorry, because I, I think I always felt like I wasn't a great student, but I wasn't a bad student. But why then was a student? I was was the type of student I hated the most, you know, as.

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Just kind of like they'll do the work and they'll get on with it, but they're also like just not take it seriously and joke around and stuff it. It's kind of like they can do better, but they just can't be bothered. OK. Yeah. Which was definitely not what I should have done that. I been teaching. Definitely makes you realize how important education is and you definitely emphasis. Yeah.

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Um, when I was thinking about asking you about this, I was thinking to myself whether I should have or would have done something similar. And I thought, there's no way out. Well, I think just thinking about it, there was no way I think I could have been ready to do what you did because it was a whole year, which is a really long commitment, like where you're concerned about the length of time you were going for originally.

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No, I was very ready. I was, oh, just a year and a half or longer because I thought it would be good fun and I was definitely wrong. A year was definitely a long time, definitely a hard time. And I didn't want to get homesick and I didn't really get homesick for home. It was more just like the luxuries that we have always did make me more proud to be Scottish over the year. But I'm very glad it went for the year because the first five or six months are definitely the hardest.

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Yeah, because you have to adapt to the whole new way of life. You have to make friends and then you finally get settled. And so when you hear about people going over for like four or five months, you're like, that's great. Say it's a great experience and I think everyone should do it at some point. He's just getting the hang of it. But just as you're getting settled, you'd be leaving to the best moment for me with the last four months and the absolute fantastic.

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OK, so it's definitely worth going for for the whole year. Definitely. Um, was it something that maybe you were less comfortable doing and then you just told yourself, I'm just going to do it. I sort of like jump into it that way.

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Kind of it was kind of like go big or go home. Could do like I originally I was thinking of maybe volunteering and then doing it. I spent 11 months here in Berkeley, probably working at the fish and chip shop. And I was kind of like that. Yeah. But I was just kind of like, might as well do it, like never know what's around the corner.

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So I might as well experience another culture that's a good a good mentality to have while you're there. It wasn't all plain sailing though. You did have quite, quite a traumatic experience. So maybe just first of all, describe what happened to you while you were out there.

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And so it was actually two years ago in two days. Oh, I realize this. Yeah. And so ganna is the like the very outskirts of the Amazon basin. So all of us flew into the Amazon, etc.. So it's a very, very rainforest country, a lot of rainforest. And so me and my wife and I was over there with as a group of us. And after we done all year and we finished, we started a few weeks left.

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So we thought we'd go to one of the projects, a small little village called Paramilitary, which is a fantastic and my favorite place. Yeah, I know. Rolls off the tongue. Exactly. And we decided we'd spend a couple of weeks there, a week there and then walk to Chanderpaul, which is another little village, because there's a place called Hydrofoils, which is the main tourist attraction of Guyana. So it's the largest single waterfall in the world.

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Oh, wow. So it is absolutely amazing. It's in the middle of nowhere. In the middle of a rainforest. Yeah, I might well hike. There is a two day walk. OK, so we're doing D.V.. Yes. Mr. Burns. DVOA will be fine. We've got a hammocks. Yeah. Go to sleep. We'll be fine. Fine. So we walked and we did the first bit. We got to the halfway point, we got to the halfway point quite quickly.

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And so half the group said, all right, we're going to camp at the halfway point that we planned and the other half like off. We'll go ahead. And I was kind of like, I can't be bothered doing another full day's walking. Yeah. So I'll just go with the group we are going head to hopefully the make it tonight or they'll make it almost all the way and then. Yeah. And again get in the morning. OK, which is a mistake because obviously I forgot that I can't walk as fast as the wheel uphill with my hips.

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And so we kind of this are pulling ahead ossify like on the first with the walk had been on my own for a bit with others came and went. Yeah. So it kind of started to get a bit dark and I realized I couldn't oh also I wasn't finding any. I saw I was speeding up a little bit, trying to catch up, couldn't find anyone. I was like, that's why I'll find them eventually. And then I eventually bumped into Campbell and he was, I couldn't find anyone else.

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I was like, wait for me. It was fine. We kept going and I was I didn't get very dark. And there was a split in the vote. One took us down a hill off the path. Yeah. And want to go straight. And we knew we had to go off the path at some point. Yeah. And also people who had been ahead had put arrows pointing to go down. Oh thanks. So this is also where we need to go.

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And it was that that's what it was supposed to do. But the problem was that the path wasn't you couldn't actually see the path. Especially when it was only a dark and so we got to the point where, like, we'll just walk straight down, OK, and as hell, because, you know, the babies at the bottom will camp by the river. And then we'll continue in the morning. We'll find the path in the water, which like, yeah, so we did that got to the bottom of the foot of a water camped out, hammocks up.

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Fantastic. Next day, couldn't find the path and of course managed to find a way to cross the river. Yeah. And then that log kind of like snapped in half so we couldn't get back across it. And so then we were kind of stuck on the other side of the river where there was no path and couldn't get back across. Yeah. And so, yeah. So then we spent three days trying to get back across the river and find the path.

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How horrific. That's like, you know, when you watch a film on Netflix or just a film and it's like one thing just gets worse and worse. That sounds exactly like that. Well how did you keep up morale? Because you were there for like three days. So five days were there.

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Five days. About three and a half of them were actually lost. Yeah. And the main way to keep morale up was to have no morale, which sounds a bit weird, but they're very like the first when we first realized that we were lost and that we were in a bad situation. And Timbo, he had a we had a machete with us because you're in the Amazon. Why not? Yeah. And he kind of took his anger out on a little tree stump hits a few times.

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And when he did that, our kidney beans, which is our only food that we had. Yeah. Fell out of his bag and fell into the river. Yeah. So then left exactly like you say, one bad thing into another. So we realize we only had to think it's 24 kidney beans, the two of us to last us. And it was like then you were kind of like Emotion's is how you make mistakes in these situations. So it's kind of shut off emotions, kind of just if you keep as rational as possible.

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Exactly. It's like we didn't have hope, but then we also didn't have, like, fear or. Yeah. Lack of hope, which is obviously the most scary, scary one. Yeah. So did it reaffirm things you take for granted? You've already said just being in Guyana made you appreciate being Scottish. Yeah, but this year in particular sort of reaffirm what's important.

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When you're lost in the Amazon for five days, you learn a lot about yourself and you learn a lot about the people like the guy I was with, I ended up with at the same house layout. So the exact same house. But he lives in the Lefko. OK, again, you know, you find out things like that, but you are like a lot of the time may not change. You don't want to chat. So you do learn a lot about yourself.

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And kind of I actually made voice memos, OK, and documenting like what we done with that. I made one for my mum in case I got lost. It was like a goodbye to my mum and stuff like that. And so it does make you appreciate family, especially friends kind of. Yeah, life can be sometimes it's there's oh it can always be worse. And I'd be thankful for what you have.

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Um, well I was thinking about like trying to to the best of my ability picture what it would be like to be in your situation. And I think what was most concerning for me was not about not necessarily my own welfare, but worrying about what my parents and my family would be thinking back home. Was that at all in your mind?

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No, because I didn't think they'd find out until after it was because it was after your actual experience. Was it your idea? Yes, I was travelling I was still in the care of the company and they were fantastic. And they did actually manage to get my mom whilst we were still lost. And because when the group that made it to the other end first that I said we were there. Yeah. When this little group then appeared and they were like, they're not with them.

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Yeah. They called the most to get the one phone in the village called Project Trust. And they got the Chinese government, they were getting them. They were going to send helicopters and stuff like that. They contacted our parents. And so when I got out, I called my mum and on the phone, I didn't know if she knew that. Hi. I don't know if you heard. I just got screamed down the phone, like, what were you thinking?

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And I was like, yeah, definitely deserved.

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Are you able to look back then? Well, yeah, I think you are able to look back and laugh more and more.

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It's it was obviously an awful experience, but it's I mean, I'm very glad it happened in a way. OK, why? Or also because I've survived. You can say that if I think of it. Yeah. It would be longer probably. Wouldn't you be saying that? But I think the lessons that you do learn and kind of just the experience. Yeah. Really does kind of help you grow as a person. Also, don't go when even a vain first try to get lost.

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But I was very lucky to get out, but it definitely put a lot of things in perspective, kind of helped mould me going forward, especially like going into uni, like the lessons I learned from that have definitely helped since. And I think it's quite a good kind of like I OpenNet. So just how an easy situation can suddenly be flipped upside down in a almost comedic sort of fashion, how bad it is quite a funny story.

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Well, not really, but there is some comedy parts to it, so we'll move on slightly. We went on a couple of holiday. We have been on a couple of holidays together, the first holiday. So our school in the last year of our school, most of the people go on holidays with their groups of friends. So it's like a six year holiday. And we did one. There was ten of us. And when we first went on that holiday to near Malaga in Spain, Naha, we weren't like close friends at all.

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We were pretty much, I think, predominantly mutual friends. Yes. But I found it to be absolutely hilarious. I know Fraser and William did as well, who were my closest friends on the trip, and we had so much fun. And we just went on another holiday together and we came back about a month ago. And that just reaffirmed just how highly we all think of you. It's you're such a good laugh to be around and you're so nice.

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I mean, you offered to share your bed with me.

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I know. Well, what do you wish? We'd spent more time together at school, particularly you, me and Leon and stuff like that.

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I mean, definitely. I mean, obviously a new phrase a little bit before because out with friends, I grew up a little bit with him and like I've told him, this is well before. No, I wasn't his biggest fan. Yeah. Like, from what I knew of him, I didn't spend a lot of time speaking to him. Yeah, but I remember from going for Onuoha, like, by the end of I went and I said, Liam, I saw this holiday.

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I wasn't I wasn't your biggest fan by the end of Apsley. Love you.

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I said, no, I think I happened in a taxi ride. I think so. Four of us went, and you're like, Liam, I actually really like you because I was like, I think I knew you were like throughout school.

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I kind of knew.

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Yeah, it was kind of the periphery. Yeah. Our friend groups, we sort of rotated around each other like we went for lunch together. Yeah. But we never really hung out one on one. Exactly.

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And I think I definitely wish we had like obviously we do get on a lot, but I think also a high school, both kind of we're probably very different to how we were even in like sixth year. I think people change. You start to change a lot. So if we hung up before then, we might not have gone or might have gone even better. Yeah, but no, I think it's definitely I'm definitely glad that we've kind of come a bit closer.

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Yes. Yeah. Especially in Lagos. I think it was a very good laugh.

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I know we've already started planning the next one, which I think is a testament to how much fun we all had. We're going to Guyana to 820, maybe not the rainforest.

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Um, have you always had this sort of sense of humor and confidence value? Because it's something I think a lot of us noticed about you.

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I see like I've been here, like the humor. I've kind of especially recently kind of started to try and push out more like, oh, yeah, it's I mean, I've kind of done a bit more consciously and like at school I know as much. I think I was more kind of a bit more Kievan like I was loud but quiet, you know. I mean, yeah. So once I got to know, people would be like loud, but probably OK, definitely a lot more reserved if I don't know people.

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Yeah. Because I know that I can be quite a lot like watching your face. Yeah. As I'm conscious of that. So like I do normally try and keep a bit quiet until I get more comfortable around people is being quite abrupt.

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Yes, my humor has a very acquired taste and it's not always politically correct or always appropriate for every situation. Um, but like I always kind of try to push out and I'm trying to be more PC, but it's not working very well. Is it something? So did you step back and think, oh, I want to like push out my humor and more, I want to be more outgoing? Is that something you like other sort of sit down conversation with yourself to do, or is it just something you just almost subconsciously started doing?

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I had the exact conversation with myself in the rainforest. Oh, did you? Yes. OK, they say I had a lot of time to think of. Yes. And I was going to. But if I get of this, how do I do I want to change and if so, how? Yeah. And it was kind of I felt I didn't really know who I was like who I was as a person. So I was going to like, what do I want to be?

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And I was like, I like funny people of like it would be. So I kind of just went ultimately to try and try and be funny. If I'm not, I'm not. But like I said, I was I'll make myself laugh. And as long as I as long as I'm laughing, making us laugh.

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Exactly. Which is why I like the confidence thing. I've never felt as if I was a confident person. OK, until I get like I say, until I get to know people but like people means a lot to me a lot now. And I'm kind of like, I want to be too confident now.

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It's not like we get, you know, fake. Exactly. Is it something you think? Important, obviously, you had it under pretty horrible circumstances that you had that sort of internal dialogue with yourself, but maybe just every day. So now and again, people should just sort of sit down, step back and have that assessment of themselves. Do you think that's an important thing to do?

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Definitely something I still do. Like I don't like to say, like, oh, like I do like every Tuesday and Thursday I want to do it. But it's more like sometimes if I kind of be like recently I felt as if I've been a lot louder, more quiet. Why have I felt like that? Is that a good change is a bad change. And often I don't know. But it's kind of just I think it's good to know about it, because if you're conscious of potential like flaws or stuff like that, then you can either choose to keep them or get rid of them.

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Yeah, I think that's that's really developed. You can think of a word that developed was the only thing I like it. Yeah. That's that's really good. OK, we'll move on again. I have a close relationship with my family, which is something that I pride myself in. I think it's I see this quality in you as well with your family. What is it that keeps you so close to, like you say, with your mom in particular, how close you are with her?

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So what keeps you that close relationship?

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I think with my mom especially, it's we're very, very similar, kind of scarily similar. So similar, even if I can speak and outlook honestly on life, kind of like in general, like within the House in the world, it's all very similar. We both like she's very kind of joke, always jokes around as well. And I think they especially since I started to do that more as well. Yeah, it has been a lot like more give and take, give and take.

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Yeah. And I think that that's probably why we get on so well. And she's obviously like she's trying to do so much for me. Like when I was younger I had the opportunity to do any sport or any activity that I wanted to do. I was one point when I was in the early secondary school, I was doing literally a hobby every single day, seven days a week, whether it was tennis, squash, golf, I'd be swimming, everything.

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And it was I could take it as far as I wanted or if I wanted to drop it for a good reason, I could. Yeah, but I could never, like, drop it just because or I want to quit. Yeah. I was kind of I had to and I think that was definitely I am very glad that that's a good quality. And still because I do hate kwartin is something that I hate doing and I'll try and see things through to the very end.

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Not always but yeah I do give it a go.

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Why are you saying you're very similar already? We've found out that you both have a passion for travelling. Yeah. And that you probably gauged from her you like to travel together, whereas most people may like British people traditionally just go to Spain every year or something. What is it about the both of you that really like going to new places and trying different things? I think of all we are very similar, especially when we travel. We have similar interests, but to different degrees.

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OK, so like she very much likes to lie in the beach and stuff like that, which I do like doing, but I don't like to do it every day. Yeah, I prefer going like going and seeing like obviously I'm a very big lover of history. Yeah. And so when I go places I like to go see ruins or historical places, go to the museums. A very boring person to go on holiday with, I can assure you.

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And but and she loves doing that, but she doesn't like doing it every day. OK, so I think having the combination of we both like doing with the other one loves, but we also love doing our own work. Yeah. So we kind of push ourselves to kind of do the things that we love and also what the other one does. Yeah, we are very balanced holidays. Yeah. And so we, we can have like relaxing ones and then next day will be hiking up a volcano.

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Yeah. And then back down to the beach the next day.

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I works really well. Do you think it's important to have a close relationship with your family.

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Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think obviously with my like immediate family like growing up is kind of just been me, my mum and I seem like my dad's more like the weekend. Yeah. Which is still really good, but I think I would definitely I like to have when I grow up having a big bigger family and more kids, etc., I, I think if you've got a bigger family then can I get to know them at different levels.

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Yeah. So I'm sure like your relationship with your sister is probably not the same as with your mum and dad. You probably got more like banter or different types of banter with each of them.

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Yeah, definitely. Well my my dad and my sister sometimes get tiresome. Me, my mom's jokes, they just switch off and we sort of go back and forth together. Yeah. Me and my mom have gone on a couple of holidays together as well just because of the guest house. We try and keep it open for as much of the years as possible. So my dad goes on like a week's golf holiday with his brothers and then. Me and my mom sort of help run the guest house and then my mom would go away and I'd go with her and my dad and my sister would sort of keep the guest house running.

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So I've been on a couple of holidays with her. And one time we actually tested almost our relationship because we were on a cruise and I was I got sick. And when it's on a cruise, obviously they're massive about like keeping it really hygienic. So we had to be quarantined into our, like, small cabin because we only got a small one thinking we're going to be out every day, never, ever going to be in yet. But they made us stay in there for like 24 hours.

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And my mom had to stay where my mom was like, all right. Seems I'm and they were like, no, you have to stay with them. So for 24 hours, we were like confined in a small cabin together watching, like, Sky Sports News, 24 hours. So to come out the back of that and, you know, hate each other and very aggressive, quite a testament to our our good relationship.

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I think I'd have to play a lot of that. I go to a game, as you know, OK, I think we'd have had to have played a lot to keep it.

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So, yeah, it's it was definitely a lot of just sort of being quiet and trying to sleep and stuff like that.

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Um, but since you've joined university, you talked about you becoming more humorous, more confident. You have joined I don't know if it's a radio society or just the university radio. It's kind of both. OK, so it's kind of like there's only one radio station and it is like the official Sterling University radio station. But it is also a society so like a classless society, but that owns the rights to the radio station, I think is how it's done.

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And you help present a show or you present a show with two other people. I think so. I've got to show. So there's my tell us about the show. They'll be using it as my own personal one, which is called Music for all, OK, which is kind of just that's how I got into the radio. It's going to me just kind of like shit post and OK, random. They just chat about random stuff. So names are music, so names they won't be.

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And then I always play music and stuff. I don't I just kind of do I want. Yeah. But it's recently kind of taken a back step because I joined I got put on the committee for the radio. OK, so one of the head of sports so we can have dual sports coverage for it. And part of that involves having a slot on the radio every Thursday, five to seven. Make sure you tune in every radio. Good luck.

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Good luck. And and so, yes, it's myself and and Harriet's. So we can have we won the sports show. Yeah. And you can kind of be like anything that we want it to be. So we started off kind of covering world sports and clubs, sports, etc. But besides then trying to get more of the uni teams on. Yeah. And we found that.

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Yeah. Because you have an Instagram page that I follow. So I see when you have like different sports teams on the show. So we'll get them on. And we found that not only do we get more listeners from that, but also we enjoy it more and we think it's probably more what the show should be about. Yeah, so that's what we start. So especially the second semester we had every week we had people on. So we kind of get them all and we get them to the first segment.

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Is your sport in thirty seconds? OK, so we give them thirty seconds to describe their sport, which is often very funny because sometimes you just do a word association. Oh OK. So we had fizbo and they just went and there's a disc and you forehand that and that was it.

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OK, and so after that we get to, they know that the people we actually had the whole team on just a good selection. So we get to know them. They tell us some funny stories from the USO shows or games and stuff. And then we kind of have we have a quiz and we kind of just chat to them and just see how they're doing and casual. Yeah.

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Um, is it something that you always wanted to do when you were going into university because you're doing journalism? Maybe it was linked so to that. Was it something you went into uni saying, oh, I'm going to look out for the radio society? Or is it just something you sort of stumbled upon?

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I kind of went in thinking I was gonna join Breg, which is a student newspaper, OK, because I felt like you say journalism. That would make sense. And then I was walking for, like, the freshest fair and I heard it was Malcolm was can't hold us. Yeah. Which is an absolute tune. Oh, I wonder who's playing that, because that is the only music you could hear in the whole fair. And it was the radio station, OK.

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And so I was like, oh, we've got a radio station. I was chatting to one of the guys, oh, you should come give it a go as a yes. Sure. And I was going to go to they give it a go. But my first shift at the fish and chip shop, that's all I seem to do. Down in Stirling, a first shift was on the give a go take. Oh no, I can't go.

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So I was, I met the guy so measured him and said, yeah, I can't make it. And he goes, That's fine, I'll give you the slot. Oh, I just had like I said it. Oh, I ended up with a slot on the radio.

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Oh wow. OK. So I kind of just when I was like my I just kind of I don't know what I'm going to do, but I kind of went in knowing it showed me how to use the equipment. I kind of was just like, we've got Spotify and I kind of silly figured out all the slightest details, like, OK, I can do this. I did my first show came off and like Mom and dad had been listening and they had messaged me and I was like, samisen.

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So I went back to the next week and it just kind of developed from there.

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I guess that's kind of good in the sense that you didn't have time to get nervous or it was just sort of more natural because you're thrown into it that way. What would you prefer to be showing and sort of organized it out?

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I feel like it's not really a very symbolic it doesn't actually require you to only a couple minutes. It's not that complicated to do some of the more complex techniques. I still can't do that, guys. But they literally just be able to broadcast your voice and put music on is pretty simple. It's pretty simple, OK.

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Is that something that you see yourself doing after university or is this sort of just a fun, fun hobby you have on the side?

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Some of them definitely considering as a possibility, as a potential job opportunity. And I'm looking into it. But I'm also quite realistic that to make it big in radio or radio.

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On breakfast. Exactly. It's it's very slim. And even if it's like no sound before Essential FM, Donald Sterling, maybe you can have like a local television or radio. It's still very competitive to get like very, very competitive. It's not the best well paid holidays, which for me is a big thing. And holidays aren't the best. And it's kind of like it would be good fun. And I would love to if no one ever offered me a job to get, like even show that I would love to do it and I would definitely do it.

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But I know the odds doesn't matter how much experience you have, etc. It's a very much a very hard industry to break.

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Yeah, I think it would be quite good that. Do you ever watch those press junket things for new videos where they have like the start of the show and then just tons of different like radio stations or TV shows come in and interview? Yeah, I think you would be really good at that because there is a sense when you watch them that there has to be something so unique and memorable about them so that you sort of keep getting invited back and something like that.

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Well, so I thought that you would be quite good at that. You even more, because especially you are quite into films like you are quite an avid film watcher and reviewer. You like to give your opinions on the new new films are out in the cinema.

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Yeah, I think going into film is I mean, that's kind of more where I want my career to go. It's that doing journalism of film and media as my full degree. Yeah, I'm definitely enjoying the social media a lot more. I almost switched it to doing just that until I remember journalism degree to leave with. OK, so I might as well stick with journalism. Yeah. But I think I definitely want to go into like editing or kind of writing scripts like they've made and go OK, so I really want to do that.

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That's a good link to journalism as well.

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Um, you mentioned it briefly. I think maybe we didn't. Um, but you started playing Frisbee. I play Ultimate Frisbee as well before we play it for our university. Is what initially drew you to ultimate Frisbee.

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And, you know, was it it was kind of like you. It was it was doing. And Christmas time myself, my flatmate Lachlan was kind of like when I went to branch out and kind of like, yeah, they just kind of get involved in something more like I had video which I was starting to get more involved with, but Lachlan didn't like, he hadn't joined and he joined athletics and stopped going, especially when you said you did so many hobbies yet then to not do sports against university might.

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But it was quite weird. So I kind of thought I might need to join somewhere and we couldn't really decide what we were going to do. So I kind of suggested it was actually a bit of a joke when I suggested this my and he was like, oh, maybe. And then I was like, some of my friends, they play off in Aberdeen and they say, it's really good. Yeah. And I would like to thank the team for you.

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And I realised that to people who had spoken to in first year. Yeah. They were also playing Frisbee. And I was like, oh, I haven't spoken to them in ages. And they said familiar faces. Yeah. And so we went along and made heaps of new friends, had a great laugh, like I got a girlfriend out it as well. Wow. So it's kind of like yeah. It worked out well.

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Exactly.

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I think, I think you can be the best wingman woman of the year. Well I take credit for that. What in particular. The joy about it was it just saw the people and when you first went, I think the people definitely make it and the socials are really good.

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I think I quite like it because it's definitely more of a challenge, like I say, with a lot of sports. So I'm kind of I'm used to like hitting balls and like how a ball goes through the air. Yeah. So I'm quite understanding how that works. Both your Frisbee is completely different. Yeah. So I like trying to learn how to throw a Frisbee. I'm like this like. I'm used to being able to at least be able to fly and catch him reasonably well.

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Yeah, I can catch the Frisbee reasonably well. That's the only bit of the game I'm going to catch. But my friend is actually abysmal.

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So, yeah, is it is really tricky. And it is sometimes something that frustrates me when people talk about ultimate Frisbee is that they think it's going to be super easy or that it's not a real sport. These are mistakes thing. But yeah, I think as soon as someone actually goes to either one of our training sessions, they'd realize just how tactical and how extremely difficult it is to get results. Is yeah, it is. It is literally just sprints.

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Yeah. I'm one of these and we joined it was I thought it was because everyone's like, oh, it's a bit like netball in American football. Yeah. And I was like, oh excellent. In netball you don't really run with people so that's perfect. Yeah. And it's true. You do vote the dish but when you're not on the desk, all you do is run. Yeah.

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Because especially everyone gets really annoyed if you're you're like taking up certain space positions, you need to get out of that space as quickly as you can. And if you don't, people will get on your back about it. But definitely for me, I was the same. I went I started in second year. So like you, I wasn't doing a university sport and in first year. So I went along with second year and I just fell in love with how kind of people were.

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And it was it was a new challenge because in first year I didn't join a team because I was playing football for Bungaree boys. Um, and I was sort of a comfort zone for me. And I got into the university football team and I started doing the Frisbee back and I didn't have time to do both. So I decided to sort of drop football I'd been doing for pretty much my whole life and trying to do something new, which was extremely frustrating because I was pretty good at football.

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And then you're going into something that you're completely rubbish out. So you're starting from the ground up is definitely a challenge. It is definitely a challenge and is frustrating because it does take a while to get better at it was paid off.

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I can also be played against each other. Q. Some of your fros, I was like, how was that?

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How can you physically throw the disc that's not accurately like three, four days a week of Frisbee finally paying off when on holiday you can throw off the ground, bounces back up.

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And I was like, oh, that's a girl like but now is it is really good, though, saying that people don't take it that seriously. There are aspects where you realise why people think it's so silly. We have fun tournaments throughout the year that we've played against each other. And one of them's in Starling. Yeah. TuneUp, which is like the first one of the year.

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And at the end of those games, like the team comes together and they play like a mini game and some of those many games can be so fun. So that was one thing I didn't know about Frisbee. Yeah. That you had those mini games afterwards. And some of you say some of them, especially at Kube, which was more of like a drinking fun tournament, which I was again surprised by that that existed. Yeah. In any sport.

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But I, I do have been that drunk playing a sport seriously. Ever. Yeah. And it was and then afterwards we're playing like different games, whisky desk and stuff like that, just like encouraging you to do. And I'm like how is this sport. Yeah. Like yeah everyone's drunk playing in that tournament. Yeah. It's quite fun.

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I think that's kind of what is quite good about is that everyone's kind of just there are tournaments where you're deadly serious and you're in it to win, but there are also to be good to go play for the United States.

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Yeah, but there are fun tournaments where like some people are drunk and you play many games afterwards. And it's it's super inclusive sport, like everyone that plays the university sort of knows each other. And yeah, this is sort of just an advertisement for my friends. We go to Visby, join Blazier, the best team. Yeah.

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If you go to Stirling, join the strong team and join me Aberdeen. We need new people this year. So I think so the week is always I don't have to play with them. I don't want that. Okay.

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Don't join for OK. We can jump into the questions. That's like how do I go to snack. I many go to snacks is a very big problem for me. OK, I would say probably it's a very weird one but a pack of mozzarella cheese. OK, so you know get like the great mozzarella. Yeah. I just kind of eat out the pocket.

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Well I wasn't exactly what's one person or page that every. And should follow on social media, who, Sean Walker? No, seriously. And oh, I think it was your map page on Instagram. Oh, that's the point.

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I fucking love maps. So that is the name of it. Yeah. They just every day, every two days, they just give you a new map. Yeah.

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You can just tell us where to look. Well, that's actually quite interesting.

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Some random ones where it's like number of sheep to people per capita or something like that. And you get like the densities and stuff, but that's some really good ones. What was the one we had today? The one that was today was all the countries in red had had a leader of that country assassinated at some point in history. See, there you go.

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Britain had won a guilty pleasure. Taylor Swift. Oh, OK. A favorite curse word.

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Moist KLINGE. Oh, a favorite quality about yourself and optimism.

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OK, yeah, I didn't say that. Very optimistic, you know.

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OK, and what's one thing you'd like to improve about yourself?

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Too many things it's not and than always been more confident from the get go, but then not being as confident later on if you seem more confident than you are people.

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Yeah. I mean OK, that's good one. Well thank you for joining me. This was a good laugh and uh, yeah, it was really good. Thank you. So that was our conversation. After listening back, I'd like to clarify that my mom was very willing to stay with me while I was on the cruise. In the interview, I say something along the lines of her being very keen to leave me Calvin by myself, but I was just joking before.

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Anyone thinks she's anything less than the amazing parent that she is. But thank you again to Matthew for joining me. And you'll hear from me soon with, uh, another terrific guest.