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The Paris Hilton podcast with Chris Booker and everything that's entertainment will be covered. And from Khairullah One Studios in Glendale, California, this is The Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest today, action superstar Scott Adkins and writer Rob Henderson with xenograft on news board. Brian, on sound of Dave Davies, Shakespeare for Goods Forwards. And now, coincidentally, earlier today, he watched a porn called super spreaders. Adam Carolla, yeah, get it on. Got to get it on the to get a mandate to get it on, man.

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Thanks for tuning in and thanks for telling the friend. We love that about you.

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Right, Jena grad. That's right. Oh, and Beaubrun. Yeah, my God, can you hear me? Yeah, we got a close here, we got a little shop on your on on both here. I think it's both you, Brian. Sound off.

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Five, four, three, two, one. Yeah, it sounds good to you guys, but on our end, the same thing. It's not individually either one of you. It's something coming through, something on our side. We'll figure it out. I'll do a little filibustering. Until then, Rob Henderson is a crazy martial arts action star out of the UK. He's been in Expendables and many other men. Oh, not Rob Hensler.

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Scott are two very Anglo names. Sorry, I was on the top of my thing. Scott Atkins'. That's what I was going to say. Expendables and Zero Dark Thirty and Bourne Ultimatum that a million action movies is an incredible martial artist. So we'll talk to him about all that. Rob Henderson is.

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He's he's he's a very interesting story. And I met him when I was doing Dr. Drew's podcast last weekend.

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He Drew had forwarded me an article that he'd written and it made a lot of sense to me. It actually pulled together a lot of thoughts I was having. I don't know if you guys are this way, but I approach everything from a sort of I look at what's going on. But then I always look at like the sort of psychological dynamic, like what is going on to me. You can take a look at any phenomenon in our culture, but if you're not looking at kind of the psychological dynamic of it, then you're probably missing the bigger motivational picture because we're humans and we react to this in one way and that in another way, for instance.

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And I'm always kind of trying to pick out what is motivating us.

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And, you know, you take something like hatred of Trump. I don't really know anyone who likes Trump, but there are people that go insane over Trump and then there's people that just dislike him. And I I was talking to Drew about that and it was like he was saying Drus wiring. He was saying he's worked with people in the past. I think we all have where that person would drive everyone you work with insane. But it didn't drive Drew insane.

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Drew knew who they were, you know. I mean, he didn't like them, but it didn't drive him insane. So I don't think Drew's that big Trump fan. But Tom Arnold goes insane for Trump and Drew Dawson. And what's the dynamic is what I'm trying to is what I'm saying. So. All right. Well, we got our technical glitch worked out. And as I was saying, Rob Henderson, he's a very interesting, thoughtful guy, comes from, boy, the wrong side of the tracks and was given up for adoption in foster care and join, I think the Navy either way, put together some thoughts that I thought were interesting and there were thoughts that were roiling around in my head, but I hadn't really put them together.

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And so that's been stuff I've been kind of thinking about for years. And he put it well. He wrote a long article. I don't know what the publication is, but but I told Max baduk, give it to DOS and have a few of the key bits here and we'll see if this makes sense to you people.

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I was bewildered when I encountered a new social class at Yale four years ago, the luxury belief class. My confusion wasn't surprising given my unusual background. When I was two years old, my mother was addicted to drugs and my father abandoned us. I grew up in multiple foster homes. It was then adopted into a series of broken homes and then experienced a series of family tragedies. Later, after a few years in the military, I went to Yale on the GI Bill on campus.

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I realized that luxury beliefs have become fashionable status symbols, luxury beliefs or ideas and opinions that confer status on the rich at very little cost while taking a toll on the lower class. In the past, people displayed their membership of the upper class with their material accoutrements. But today luxury goods are more affordable than before.

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All right. So like I've been saying, best time ever to be poor for a long time.

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Right.

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And large screen TV, you know, all you need to do is go back. Look, I don't like to talk about automobiles on this program, but I try to do it once.

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Well, it will riddle me this. The biggest I always talk about, Leonardo DiCaprio is driving a Prius and loser. I mean, producer Chris over here driving a Prius as well. So what you know, now go back, you go back and look at the car auctions, it was like that's Clark Gable's Duesenberg from nineteen thirty eight that he's putting up. That's Betty Grable, Hutson or that's Cadillac, you know, custom Cadillac. Like, I get it.

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There's still folks who like nice cars. But what I'm saying is, is it was exclusive back in the day that a celebrity would be driving a Duesenberg or Custom-Built something or whatever, and now we're driving a Prius. This is like if you just use that one yardstick, you kind of see now both of them are sending a message. Clark Gable was sending a message. I'm a super successful guy. Leonardo DiCaprio's sending a message as well. They're both sending messages.

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So I was interested in why. What currency does this have? Sorry. Go ahead. Dosso And people are less likely to receive validation for the material items they display. This is a problem for the affluent because they who still want to broadcast their high social position, but they have come up with a clever solution. The affluent have occupied social status from goods and reattached it to belief's human beings, become more preoccupied with social status once our physical needs are met.

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In fact, research reveals that socioeconomic status, respect and admiration from peers is more important for well-being than socioeconomic status.

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Pause for a second, Dassin. Another thing I was sort of kicking around some years ago. It's like our needs have been met. Like I would always say to Caitlyn, I would go, you know, what's up? Like I've always I kind of semi obsessed with young guys, without the fire, without the hunger. You know, I'm picture look, I met Jimmy when he was twenty six. Like, that guy had his hustle on, you know what I mean?

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And he's an exceptional guy, but I had my hustle on too. I'm not that exceptional. I make sure to look at these people and I go, where's the part where you're like scratching and clawing, you know what I mean? And the answer that I got, which is, wait a minute, you've got a big you've got a flat panel TV that's 60 inches like. Yep. I got all the channels I won. OK, I got I got sushi night.

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I got I got I can be picked up on lift and I got weed in and I got air condition like I'm pretty cool and to go and I was kind of talking to Caitlyn about it and I was like oh yeah.

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Like I was in an apartment that was one hundred degrees inside staring at a miniature TV going, you know, I got to get the fuck out of here. So there's a kind of needs, say, satiated needs, man, you know what I mean? And with your physical needs, Matt, now, where are we moving on to at this point? Sorry.

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Go ahead. Furthermore, studies have shown that negative social judgment is associated with a spike in cortisol, the hormone linked to stress that is three times higher than nonsocial stressful situations.

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We feel pressure Amesville to build and maintain social status and fear losing it. Furthermore, other research has found that absolute income does not have much effect on general life satisfaction. An increase in relative income, on the other hand, has a positive effect. Put differently, making more money isn't important. What's important is making more than others.

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All right, we'll stop it there. Rob Henderson, who wrote that article, is on Zoome with us. I think he's popping up in a second now, so we'll talk to him about that.

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Made sense. Rob's a very bright guy. Kind of, again, grew up in a tough place and made something of himself good to speak to again, Rob. Adam, thank you. Good to be here. Are you in England right now? Yeah, yeah, I'm in Cambridge right now. That's right. Oh, we're both guests zooming in from England. Interesting coincidence. What's your nationality, Rob? Yes, so my birth mother is from Seoul, South Korea, and my father, we actually don't know because I've never met him, but we're thinking that he's probably white, half Korean.

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Half.

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Yeah, I'm not sure about my dad's side of the family either. Although I've met him, he doesn't talk. So I don't he won't say where he's from. I'm going to go Palermo.

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So, Rob, how did you come up? Well, give us a little your history, our little I we did the part where you were given up for adoption or taken from your mom and your mom is a drug addict. And you went to the service and you kind of got your your life right. What's your emphasis in your field of expertise? What are you studying now?

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Yes. So I'm a second year doctoral candidate at the University of Cambridge. I study social psychology. Most of the research I do is on sort of political judgment and sort of why people believe in things that they believe moral judgments. And I also am studying things like social status, social class. What distinguishes classes from one another, why people care about that so much, which is where, you know, the larger belief comes in. Have before that I had studied psychology at Yale.

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I worked as a result of you there. And yeah, you know, sort of that I was in the military then and went through all the stuff that I just mentioned to you.

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I'm interested in the luxury class and you know, if you don't. You don't believe, Rob, I mean, the evolution, you know, in the past, status was heavyset, zaftig, you know, big round curvy, hey, I'm rich, I'm eatin, man, you feed yourself, feed yourself.

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And I was born in the wrong era.

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It was it was all about the castle and the curves. And now everyone's a beanpole pretending to be poor. That's kind of the luxury class. And it's so if you don't think things can change, of course, what could be farther away from I live in a castle and I have curves too. I am thin as shit and I drive a Prius. Yes, right.

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Don't forget skin tone. Do you like if you were tan them and you were worked out in the fields were poor. If you're a lily white man, you live inside your servants, you're literally right.

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It was literally pasty, white, heavy, curvy and living in an opulence in a castle. And it's now spray tan. Starve yourself and drive a Prius. Wow. I mean, that's how much further white can you get? So that's what human beings do. And so now we're entering another cycle. And when we enter these cycles are these chapters, people think, oh, that's how it is. But it's not really how it is, it's how we've made it.

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And then we're going to live with it like disco or bell bottoms or any architectural fashion or whatever, and then we'll transition to something else. So what do you Rob, what do you think? What do you think the something else is? The next thing is.

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, you mentioned fashion just now. I actually view what's going on. And I mean, that's a great analogy for it, how, you know, whatever it's fashionable in the moment is not going to be fashionable five years from now. And it is this constant evolution, the pressure to keep up with what people are doing, what people are wearing, how they work. And so, yeah, like you were saying to in the past, people sort of displayed their social class with material goods, with, you know, you know, or with certain kinds of jewelry, a powdered wig.

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And so that was sort of how things were in the past, material goods. But today what I'm seeing is something different. I think there are two things going on here. So why is that material goods have become more portable. So it doesn't really matter. At least, you know, the modern developed countries, everyone has an iPhone and everyone can go to an outlet and get some nice clothes. So that's one component of it, is that it's becoming harder to distinguish yourself.

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Imperial good alongside that. I think in the upper classes it's becoming kind of gauche or like it's not really, you know, it's sort of frowned upon. I get to wear certain things, distinguishing yourself as a as a as a rich person. Right. Like you've mentioned, billionaires wearing cargo shorts and hoodies. They don't really stand out anymore. If you look out into the crowd, you don't know who's a rich guy who's not the way that you could.

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Well, it's it's interesting. And now, as I think about it, which is there are some cultures that we sort of protect, like the African-American culture, not the cops don't protect them. But I mean, from a societal standpoint, you take a look at Cardi B, she's got all the nails in the hair and the makeup and the jewelry and all whatever. There's there's guys pulling up and like rappers pulling up in crazy Lamborghinis and stuff like I don't think that would work for the aforementioned Leonardo DiCaprio, like he'd get some shade thrown his way.

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So it's interesting that they're sort of groups and classes that were looking out for where we don't have that same we don't put them under the same magnifying glass that we would put under, you know, Jessica Simpson or something like that.

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Yes, Brent, that's interesting because I had the exact same thought, which was Rob, I agree with what you're saying. It's eye opening, but at the same time, it feels like within how do we put this within certain groups, like if you're in the right context, right or wrong around the right people, you can't flaunt your wealth depending on the group. Like I to mentioned, like, you know, it's completely in context for maybe rappers making videos or even just showing up the red carpet to have the sort of, you know, flaunting of the wealth.

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I spent a lot of time in this very wealthy part of L.A. called Double Island, where this fucking guy is just going around on giant boats.

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They're just cruising. And it's like, yeah, I'm fucking rich. I have a giant boat. And in that context, like around other rich people, the giant boats, the works that can do that, well, I think we can shape people with shame.

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And so if you're in this group, like your country singer and you want to go full Lamborghini with the purple rap on it and all the jewelry, you might get told to tone it down like you might get. Yeah, you might get shamed because in shape no one's going to go. Cardi B and tell her to bring the bling back 50 percent, you know what I mean?

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So she's not going to be shaped by our recent guest, Luke Bryan, probably worth ten million dollars, 15 million dollars, like a mesh ball cap backwards and, you know, blue jeans like that in context of the world he's in. Right.

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And if you ever ask him, what do you do all day, it's like I bail. Hey, I dig ditches, I set fence, I mend fences. Like, you don't you don't do blow and bang prostitutes now.

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Sorry, Rob. Yeah, yeah.

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No, I mean, that's definitely I mean, there are certain sort of niches where where they're, where material material wealth is still displayed in certain ways. But I would say generally sort of in public and white society generally, it's becoming less prominent and it's becoming replaced with what I call luxury believe. And I define luxury belief basically as ideas and opinions that confer status on the upper class while also taking a toll on the lower class. And so these are ideas basically that that are sort of most promulgated at elite universities in the top tier universities among educated people, where you have to sort of spend a lot of time sort of learning a new vocabulary, new language, new belief systems, political ideologies.

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You have to have kind of white collar job where you can spend a lot of time on Twitter with podcasts, reading, but you basically have to invest a lot of the time to learn these new luxury believe and to articulate them. And oftentimes because the upper class tends to have, you know, basically they control the cultural conversation more. These ideas tend to trickle throughout society and become more more prominent in the culture.

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Can I can I ask this? Sorry, I'll jump in because I'm thinking as you're speaking and I'm realizing that, you know, we're sort of talking about the black community and this sort of signaling of affluence. I have jewellery. I have a Lamborghini, I'm telling you. And and you go, well, why is that in the black community and not in the white community? Well, the black community still has a lot of poor people that are aspiring to get to that place.

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When you go on to a college campus and you're a professor and you're you're on the campus of, you know, Yale or Harvard, chances are every one of those kids lived in a bigger house than you're going home to. Their dads are all powerful people who have money. I mean, by and large. So how are you going to impress Rich Whitey when you're talking about material goods, when they have more shit in their driveway than you have back in your apartment?

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If you are, in fact, the if you are in fact the instructor, you're going to have to talk ideas and not you're going to have to do the virtue signalling and get your status that way because you're not going to outdo those people in the materialistic department. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think that people often create sort of parallel status hierarchies. If you're not going to do so well in one domain, you'll sort of do it in another.

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And you tend to denigrate the ones that you aren't good at or you'll see. I mean, I thought this happened in college where really smart people tended to denigrate athletics, like why does the money on on board so much? You know, we should be investing it more education. And the athletes would sort of you know, you do the opposite of that. But I think, yeah, with these beliefs, there is this aspect of, you know, who can who can sort of take a take the most interesting or provocative or novel stance on it.

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And, you know, sort of a classic example of this would be a lot of what I saw, the belief that all families are the same. Like, I would personally, even though I didn't have one, I would defend the two parent family and some of my classes with my classmates. And I found it shocking that at a place like Yale, pretty much everyone is raised in the kind of traditional nuclear family. I was in a class one.

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It was a psychology class psychology of the family, something like that. And the professor took an anonymous poll of all twenty five students. And the question was, were you raised by both of your birth parents in the same house and out of twenty five students? It was just me and one other student who said no. So, you know, less than 10 percent of the class had not been raised in a traditional family. But if you look at the statistics for us as a whole, it's something like at least 40 percent of children now are born out of wedlock and in single parent homes and in basically homes that are not by the birth parents.

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Well, I find this let me let me jump in for a second, because I'm thinking about this stat and, you know, everyone watch what everyone does, not what they say, you know what I mean?

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Like, watch what they do. Meaning I think there's some pretty incredible statistic may have mentioned on the show. But in 1950, the affluent families had about a 90 percent father, mother, father living in the home, you know, intact, whatever that was. Those were the affluent. The poor families had about the same number. So it was essentially the rich had 90 percent. The poor had 90 percent or 85 percent. But it's essentially both that in 1950 you move ahead to 2019.

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And Rob probably knows of that and more. And I do.

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But the the rich people basically did the same. They stayed the same. I mean, they everyone dropped down, but not much. The rich people they got they know it. They understand it. Stay together, don't have kids out of wedlock. Get your education, get married first, then have kids. You know, all that's up. That's what they do, because that's how you hang on to your wealth. That's how you keep the party going.

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The poor people at some point dropped off and their statistics are abysmal now with the two parents and having kids out of wedlock and all that shit. And the rich people are looking at them going, oh, no, no, you should you should be able to raise a child on your own. You don't need this. You don't need permission to do that. But don't listen to what they say. How are they living their life? How are they living their successful life?

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That's the disconnect. I don't know what that status. Do you know it offhand, Rob? Yeah, yeah, so so in 1960. So this is this was figure from Robert Putnam and Charles-Henri, the other researchers basically in 1960. Ninety five percent of affluent and working class families, basically the children are raised by your parents. And by 2005, it had dropped to 85 percent for the affluent families. So basically, you know, still still the vast majority, 95 percent drop, 85 percent for the poor, for the working class families, they dropped from 95 percent to 30 percent.

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So this massive drop off. Right. And so people try to make it into an economic argument, oh, the poor just have more money than they would get married and have had families like in 1960, it was the working class, the poor families who were married all in the Great Depression. Marriage rates were much higher than they are today. So I'm a little skeptical about the argument. Some people tried to turn this into, you know, some kind of war on drugs or a racial argument or something like that.

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But this data has, you know, they've controlled and basically just looked at white Americans. And if you look at white Americans in 1960 and white Americans today, the same thing. Just the partitioning is still a big social class where 30 percent of poor white kids are raised in single parent homes. Only 30 percent or 70 percent are raised in single parent. So it's not economic. It's basically to me, I interpret this as as a social norm issue.

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And there was a lot of belief that that was born around the 1960s and caught on. And we're sort of seeing it come to fruition today.

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Yeah. And now you have all these people who are on the 70 percentile and they're well-to-do and they've accumulated wealth because they've stayed intact and they've waited, you know, they waited to have kids until after college and so after marriage and so on and so forth. But these same people are saying, hey, don't judge these people for doing everything that's wrong. That's going to hurt them and set them back for generations. Like this is the difference. See, this is what I'm kind of drilling down on.

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Why aren't these people who know how it works, explaining how it works from the fucking mountaintop? Why are they instead shaming people who dare to tell people how it works and telling these folks who they know they know this is a bad prescription. It's not going to cure you, but they're all right because there are always that group is always going to be safe. That group is always going to have have security. Go ahead, Rob. Yeah, there is this interesting sort of sort of phrase that I've heard before, I don't know who came up with it, but I heard that affluent people, they walk the 50s and 60s.

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If you look at how they actually live their lives, it is sort of very much like going to college to get a job, find a partner, settle down and have kids. But then if you ask them about, you know, how should people who live their lives, how should people treat families? They're very nonjudgmental. They're very much people should do whatever they want. I'm not going to make any value judgments or the other. And to me, this is like this sort of reluctance.

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I think some of it is, I think, fear. Somehow it became fashionable and trendy in the budgetary belief to say that all families are the same. And it's interesting you actually asked working class people, I'm still friends with a lot of guys at the high school and the people back home. And they they they agree that marriage is good and all these things are good, but it's almost the reverse for them where they say these things. But then if you look at how they live their life, it's often that I think about my high school friends.

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I have five close guy friends and none of them were raised by their parents. Two of them are in prison, a couple of US military. And yeah, but then I look at my my college friends, my friends, Yale or Cambridge, like, you know, even like even my friends who have served in the military, you would think maybe more sort of blue collar family background, even all of them were raised by both of their parents who ended up going on to college.

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Well, there's this huge class division.

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You know, for me, I don't really need to get do a formal survey. It's like, who do you all know growing up? Whose families stayed together and sort of had kids a little later, you know, started the family after their college or after they were established a little bit in their career field and is remained married where it didn't where everything fell apart or didn't really work out or just I. It's for me, all the people whose parents are still together, who stayed together, who waited and did all that, all that kind of stuff, they're fine.

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They're all looking at inheriting their parents home and all the other friends of mine, my grey and crass divorce apartments, substance, bone mass disaster. Like that's it.

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It just just from your own life. You can tell I want to bring this up. Lastly, Rob, which is we were talking about and you brought it up, which is the affluent sort of.

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Living in the 50s and kind of preaching in the 60s, my friend Dennis Prager always says this about the Jews. If they would just preach what they practice and it's always stuck with me because who lives a more a conservative life than Jews? Everything they do is about education, family. I mean, I don't have the data in front of me, but they do real well on a diet of education and family and sort of accounting for their kids and doing the homework and really being accounting and accounting.

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Sorry.

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Anecdotally, everyone I went to Hebrew school with is flourishing.

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So for China.

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But but but I do want to say this, but also in terms of signaling we're sort of talking about the black community before the Jews very much keep their head down and as well they should because of historic events. Right. So the Jews probably lead a much more conservative lifestyle, but are much more liberal in their preaching, which, of course, makes sense that what exactly we're talking about, because you put your head up and sometimes you get kicked, you know what I'm saying?

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And the Jews, I think, as a group know that very well because it is incredible how conservative the lifestyle of your average Jewish family is. When I grew up out here and so every Jewish family I knew was very conservative in their lifestyle. But when it comes to politics or any other version or getting out there and signaling virtue, signalling where they're very much the opposite of how they live. And I think that this might explain some of that Robb thoughts.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean, I observed that, you know, even even just, you know, ethnicity and everything aside, just like the kind of people who attend top schools are like this. They live for those kinds of lives, but then they espouse, you know, sort of more progressive politics. I saw this with, you know, for example, a lot of the Asian-American students at Yale. They tend to come from very good families.

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I mean, you really have to work hard to get into a school like that, you know, right out of high school. And so they had, you know, these sort of traditional, hard working parents and family life all that. But then they and many of them tended to hold very progressive politics is sort of nonjudgmental attitude about ways to live their lives and to be just in a way, it's sort of like taking away the latter, like you're there and now you're going to undermine the values that give rise to upward mobility.

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The other thing I got to thinking about is, you know, whatever your politics having to be, if you start to erode the norms that that sort of keep people on a good path and education and getting good paying jobs and so on, if you if you erode the knowledge that lead people to attack, those people are going to be more likely to do things like my friends did, you know, like drinking and driving, breaking the law by going to jail.

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And so if you don't have social values, you're going to have to pay with your economic value. Right. So if the norms are gone, you're going to have to pay for that later on out of your pocket so you can keep your head down or whatever. But I'm going to have to pay the bills or what happens to these people that have no well, as they'll say, we're plum out of time.

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But family and school is diet and exercise. It's just it's hard.

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You can talk around it all. You want to know the answer.

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And it all comes back to diet and exercise and that is it. And hey, ironically, the two guys that were my best friends were two freaks who really didn't need diet or exercise. These guys were wrapped in their underpants. I mean, they literally had to talk people out. There's nothing more demoralizing when you're with a friend and you've been working out real hard and your friend is having to explain to girls, I don't work out. And they're going, oh, get out of here, come on.

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And I'm going. I do workout. Now, we're not talking to you anymore, but you know it.

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They were blessed physically, like they didn't need diet and exercise. But that that they're outliers, people. There's not too many rain. Chris is out there. And by the way, they couldn't overcome the broken family. They could overcome the diet and the exercise part because of the genetics. Rob Henderson, you got numerous articles on Willette Dotcom, and you can just search for the name Rob Henderson. It's good to see again twice in less than a week now.

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Yeah. Yeah, this has been amazing. Thank you, Adam.

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The Adam Carolla Show presents Scott Adkins birthday cocktail party for June 17th. Let's check out the guest list. Oh, that's Kendrick Lamar. And he brought all 13 of his Grammys. Little Miss Sunshine, Greg Kinnear. It's Venus Williams and Will Forte and straight from the Keys Still Alive files Newt Gingrich. Barry Manilow is here and it looks like he's ready to take a chance again. Thomas Haden Church and 20th century Russian composer Igor Stravinsky. Now, that's a party.

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Let's get back to The Adam Carolla Show. Scott ACoNs is joining us. Martial arts superstar action stars. Got a welcome, by the way. You're in England as well, right? I'm in England now. What was going on then? I'm completely confused. These are people that were born on June 17th. That's right.

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Oh, wow. There you go.

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But as I think about it, I think a lot of this stuff is all through the lens of America.

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Every once in a while there's egos, Igor Stravinsky. But I mean, it's mostly just American actors. Might there be I think Scott Adkins isn't a Thomas Haden Church fan.

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Exactly. I'm saying I don't know if you know who Thomas Haden Church is. Yeah, OK, OK. Miss Little Miss Sunshine right now different. That's great, Kenny. Yeah. Yeah, I know.

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I know. He was wasn't he. Needed the the Simon A..

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Yes. Well, Don. Yes. And the obscure spot of is good. And if he had said wings and fly across the pond and blow you. Scott at Legacy of Lies is the name of the new movie.

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It is action packed and currently at 100 percent with the critics on Rotten Tomatoes. So good on you, as you guys would say. Scott started where it is. I don't know where any obsession comes, but what for you and martial arts? I know you turned your dad's garage into a dojo and you started kickboxing when you're 10 and doing all these different martial arts craft, Krav Maga, by the way, Jean, as if she's been to Israel a few times.

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So I'm familiar with the.

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But it's impossible for you.

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What was it just growing up watching Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris. How did this start? Yeah, growing up, watching Bruce Lee, not remembering the first time I saw him, but staying up late to watch his films on on television and just, you know, being amazed by the greatest martial artist to ever walk the face of planet Earth and just really gravitating towards physical action stars like Stallone and Schwarzenegger. And, of course, Van Damme came and that was the.

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Wow, this guy's amazing. I was 12 at the time. He blew me away. And then finding out people like Jackie Chan and Jet Li and Taiwan and just really appreciating the physical dexterity of these performers and gravitating towards that sort of thing in movies, but loving film as a whole in general. It's not just action films that I was obsessed with. I was obsessed with film in general, but especially action films.

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And I know Spider-Man three is your favorite film of all time, but do you have other Thomas Haden Church vehicles that you appreciate if. Well, or do you like films? Like all films. Yeah. What are some of your what are some of your films that you've enjoyed? Because I think people always think, well, we got to talk martial arts films. But you like films in general. What are some of your favorites? I think Jaws is the best film ever made.

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I think that's a perfect film and I could certainly be made. Yeah, that's a good choice.

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Yeah, because obviously it's brilliantly directed. It's a brilliant story, first and foremost. I mean, that's what you have to have because we haven't got a good story. I'm going to go good film. Right. But it's impeccably acted. It's impeccably written. I mean, that that scene when the exchange in the scars and then he goes into talking about the ships that were sunk and they delivered the bomb and the shark comes in the eyes and black eyes.

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Yes.

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And then the way ends and this guy is on a mission. It's a brilliant film. Is the path that film, I think.

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And one talked about that. And by the way, Robert Shaw was yeah, he had a problem with alcohol throughout his life. And he was so drunk the first time they tried at the scene just didn't work. And he was slurring about he came to Spielberg the next morning, apologized and then nailed the scene that day.

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Yes. That's the less than symbol, you alcoholics. Yeah.

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The problem with alcoholics is we I mean, they don't listen to lessons.

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It's only blunt force trauma that straightens out the alcoholics. But the thing that is great and interesting about Jaws is it's definitely timeless because if you think about what's going on today, you know, the evil governor, that evil mayor of the of the beach city wants to reopen, you know, despite the danger, you know, and seems so absurd.

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Back to the good. The good cop is saying, I don't care if you lose money, we're going to lose lives, you know?

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So it's like a parable. And it's you know, if you look at the news over the last two months, especially in the last few months, you know, schools are, you know, reopening or whatever it is, that's it's kind of it's kind of that I mean, we're relive it. We're living that. But also a lot of humor. I mean, Richard Dreyfuss, his character was very funny in that movie.

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There's always humor in those movies. I mean, he'll even find a bit of an Saving Private Ryan. Know about Schindler's List.

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I was just going to ask you, I'd love an example from Schindler's List, from a guy over there wants to defend Schindler's List.

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It's like it's a humorous romp.

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So, Scott, what is for you? I always ask all the Navy SEALs and the fitness guys in the workout, guys like what's the schedule? What do we do for. I always ask just breakfast, lunch and dinner. I'm always curious how how do you how do you feed your diet?

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So the training, the diet. Sorry, the diet or the trainer? Yeah, the diet go with the diet first. Sorry abs are made in the kitchen.

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Yeah, well quite true. I did do the intermittent fasting. I find that that works very well. So I'll eat my dinner and then I'm not doing it today. I won't lie. I'm having a cup of tea with milk. But normally if I'm getting ready for the film, I will not eat anything. And after dinner and I will not eat lunch time the next day. And that's just the way of bringing any calories down and eating less throughout the day also gives you a chance to repair itself and get rid of the unhealthy cells so that it might need to flush out of your system.

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And if you just stay clean throughout the day, if you can, if it's, you know, if it's in a packet with those nutritional value things done, if you cannot eat that and just stick to meat and plant based stuff, then you are going to be in good shape if you've got the willpower for that. You know, pretty simple.

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You know, I'll tell you the thing about the intermittent fasting. If you kind of get yourself onto that schedule, you will tolerate it, like one of the things that I'm really realizing is, you know, I grew up with breakfast, most important meal of the day. And ever since, like all they did was talk about breakfast and how important breakfast was and how you have to eat something hot. And that's why Quaker Oats, you know, honey and and brown sugar and maple syrup.

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And it's like hotstix, your ribs, hot, wholesome breakfast, you know, part of a complete breakfast, part of the complete breakfast. And we realize this. And then we got into this. You got to eat 10 to 15 small meals a day. You've got to eat the little meals. But a whole bunch of them like and now we're really realizing we're just eating too much.

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You don't have to eat that that often. I mean, you really don't I mean, you can have dinner and then not have anything for 18 hours and be fine, but you have to kind of condition yourself into that, into that. But people all the people that think they're waking up starving, you're really not you can really you can work up into that intermittent fasting. And I think that's about the best thing you can get started on these days.

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Yes, Gina, but there's also the thinking that when you wake up are any ever if you're hungry, you're probably thirsty. Right?

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So start with drinking a glass of water and then see if you're satiated for a little bit. Yeah.

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So now the training begins when you're in general, how much time you're spending in the dojo.

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Well, try to go to training first thing in the morning, so get it done every day if you if you leave it and then things can get in the way to get to the gym first thing in the morning, and then it's always going to get done.

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And I'll go to lift some weights probably four times a week, and I'll do martial arts at least twice a week and maybe I'll do cardio twice a week. You know, if I'm getting ready for a movie, the training goes up.

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And then once I've finished a film, I'll relax a little bit and probably pick out a bit more.

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Are you your UFC fan? I'm a big UFC fan. Who what what impresses you about the UFC? Follow that. Well, out today, that is the tough guys out there, the best fighters on the planet, without doubt, the UFC has solved the problem of which martial arts is best solved quite a few times by now. Oh, no. Yeah. So wrestling. Yeah.

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When I was growing up, it was always who would win the boxer or the karate black belt and who would win between the Greco Roman guy and the black belt. And then it'd be like at some point we'd go, who'd win Muhammad Ali or Kodiak Bear? We could never really figure any of this stuff out. But this did solve all those arguments we would always have. It was like Bruce Lee could beat Muhammad Ali. No way. He wouldn't have a chance.

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We never solved it. And with the UFC did is they just solved it. Bruce Lee is completely different weight class.

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I mean, even if we don't really know, but look, when you're 10 and you're on a school yard, you can argue about anything, which is the beauty of it. That's right.

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Are you aware that Muhammad Ali and Antonio Enoki had an exhibition fight in the 70s? I don't know if you know about this. And there was martial artists versus the boxer and it was a farce. It was completely ridiculous because then figured out, you know, the octagon and the whatever in the way it was just kind of set up in a boxing ring. And Enoki spent the entire fight on his back kicking and Muhammad Ali spent the entire fight on his feet, you know, dancing.

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And it was just it was nonsense. I've seen the footage of it. Yeah, it has a yes.

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And, you know, I think it was judo going probably a judo guy.

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I know much about him. Well, he probably wanted to grapple. He wanted to wrestle. He wanted to kind of get him down, get him down on the ground.

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If nobody wants to engage in the arena, then it's going to be a bit of a boring one for the fans, because pretty much how I look at it looks like he's playing soccer to me the beginning.

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The thing that was also funny about the beginning of the UFC is guys would go out in Ghys, you know, the Gracies would wear Ghys also. Guys would go out like flip flops or shoes or something like that, like there weren't any real rules. But I'll tell you, you see a lot of different you see a lot of different hairstyles in the in the UFC, but you don't see the ponytail and the ponytail because one of the most one of the most satisfying ten minutes of my life was early version of the USC guy out there, blond guy with the ponytail, looked like G.E. Smith, the guitar player for SNL.

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So it's a guy Flip and I have a Brillo head said always pissed me off the guys. He had the big blond hair in the ponytail. A guy just walked right across the and he grabbed his ponytail like a handle and he wouldn't let go. And he just kept kneeing him in the face using the ponytail. It's a handle on the size of that. And as a guy who walked around with the Brillo head his whole life, the patch of pubes and all the beautiful Sokal guys with Flip in their blond hair around, it was so goddamn satisfying.

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And I don't know as far as what was going on with the town, but it sure is. There must be a rule about hair grabbing now because I don't see it anymore, but no one will go out with a ponytail.

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Yeah, well, they go out with brights on and stuff like that and then yeah, I guess that locks all sorts of stuff going on I guess, but it's just to shape it off if you're going to be fighting in the I would say.

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Has anyone ever asked you to get in the octagon or tried to pressure you into that. No, that's not my thing. I go into the films pretty early so you could have what you trained for, the money maker, don't worry.

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No, no, I know. No, I don't mean I don't mean for a living just like as an exhibition or a charity thing or something. I mean, I used to box and I, I was well into my career and I got they were calling me trying to get me into this like celebrity boxing tournament. And it was perfect. They wanted me to fight the female wrestler. China. China said, yeah, it died, right? And I said, no, I'm not going to fight China.

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And they said, why not? And I said, well, she's over at the moment. She would have messed me up. I said I said she's a woman. I said, look, there's two there's two ways this fight can go. Either China can kick my ass, in which case I just got beaten up by woman on national TV. Or I can beat up a woman on national TV. So how would this possibly work for me?

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Give me Danny Bonaduce. Right. Well, you know who agreed.

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You know, who agreed to fight China? Bryan, I'll probably remember.

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I forgot to remind me. Joey Buttafuoco. Oh, yes, right. Joey Buttafuoco agreed to fight China.

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Real champion of women smacked around. And not only that dirty boxing, like throwing her on the ground floor like it was it was perfect because I was like, I don't want to do this because I don't want to end up looking like a bad dude punching a woman. And then Joey Buttafuoco came in and just beat the crap out. No problemo, Hilton. Yeah, and throw for throw her on the ground. Do you have Max Patte? You'll find you'll find Botafogo.

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Fine. Fighting China. Sorry, Scott. Legacy alive. So let's talk let's talk about that. I thought it was a great action movie and I hope you're pretty proud of it. Oh, yeah, definitely producers, director, the great job. It's it's got a lot going for it. Obviously, you've got all the action set pieces that you would expect from one of my films in this hand-to-hand combat and all the rest of that. But it's got a bit more going on with the characters and the story.

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And what really attracted me to the part was this central relationship between a father and a daughter. And there's this big lie that is being told between them and that really rips their relationship apart. So you've got that very heartfelt story and then all this espionage stuff going on around it.

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I'm glad you brought up the daughter underneath you that I pronounce your name. Yes, she is.

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She was fantastic. I saw the movie, too. And she no offense to you, Scotty almost stole the movie. She was great. Just one liners. Not precocious kid. I really enjoyed her part quite a bit.

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She was the most professional person on the set.

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It's available now, by the way, on demand video on demand and digital and DVD as well. Where did you shoot it? In the Ukraine, Kiev, is it it's there how much so like let's figure this out in Los Angeles, we don't shoot a lot of movies. We go to places like Atlanta and New Mexico and and Vancouver and in Canada and we move around because it's less expensive. It's just it's just easier to do for taxes and things like that.

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I imagine London and England are pretty expensive as my my experience of traveling through that taxes and just general life.

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And London's got a good film, tax rebates. Oh, they do make loans to England and taking advantage of that. But it's expensive. Yeah, right.

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So but you know, and I guess when you're in Europe going to a neighbouring countries about the same as going from Los Angeles to Atlanta here. Right.

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Or even large, it's not a long flight. It's probably not enough. It's two hours, two and a half hours together. Yeah, right.

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We we fly four to Colorado. We end up in Utah. But you guys get to go to a different country. Hey, do you have a Joey Buttafuoco beating up China?

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Watch this for your next movie.

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So not only is he dirty boxing or he's like he's literally like throwing her. He throws her onto the ground. He like picks her up and throws her onto the mat.

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And, you know, we'll find it. We'll find a cleaner, cleaner clip of it. But must we? Yes. Now, you've tarnished the shining star. That was Joey Buttafuoco, his reputation.

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So he's throwing punches, charger and he throws he literally picks her up and like rag dolls or do some moves.

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It was if it was your technique, if that was UFC. Yes. Unfortunately, it's it's boxing cuts. Sure.

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If you're not even though it's a nice movie.

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Slatkin's condones throwing women on mat. Yeah. How was the opportunities. Right. How was the set of The Expendables?

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I was working with Stallone. It was a lot of testosterone on that. Oh, my God, there is no it was amazing. I was very honored to be asked to be part of it. You know, Stallones like, come on, kid, come in and join all the big action heroes of your stripes. That's the way it felt anyway.

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But when you're in a situation like that, that's a very unique situation, that peut cast and who they are and what they represent.

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How do you do you get a sense of who's like, oh, this guy is kind of a tough guy, you know, or in real life versus a guy like, you know, he's all bluster. Do you get that sense or is there a pecking order on exactly how to phrase it?

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But did you get the sense of who's a you think anyone is really thinking like that? Because once you've got Randy Couture that, you know, everyone else sort of falls into a good point and nobody is going to be tougher than Randy Couture out of that cast. Doesn't matter how many, you know, people get killed on film. He's legit. He was, you know, the UFC heavyweight. So it's kind of a question. Light heavyweight.

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Yeah, because Jason Statham plays a tough guy. But Randy is a tough guy and ironically, with the weakest name of the whole group. Right. You got Randy. Come on.

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But, yeah, that guy, that's what happens when you have a name like Randy, maybe get picked on at school and he starts thinking, I'm going to win and I'm going to turn myself into a killing machine boy named Sue.

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Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is. I mean, Couteur was had amazing, crazy, you know, had a crazy career. But the thing that's always I mean, he fought a fight. I probably light heavyweight and then was heavyweight champion as well, but tons of fights. But so he'd tell everyone he probably walked away with a twenty two and 14 record or something like it isn't boxing. You know, Floyd Mayweather is undefeated, Rocky Marciano's undefeated.

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And, you know, Muhammad Ali or you know, Larry Holmes was probably forty six and four or something like that. UFC, the greatest legends in UFC are twenty and eleven. Like they got a lot of losses because that's the excitement of the sport.

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There's too many different ways to lose those. Yes. You know, Mayweather is a defensive genius and he has to worry about some fists coming at it from different angles. You know, think about the takedowns, the submissions, the kicks, all the rest of it. But also, I think for me, like McGregor, for instance, the reason he's on all that money is because he's an exciting fighter and he'll put it all out there and I'll talk.

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A lot of bluster puts everything on the line. And some people want to tune in to watch. Others want to watch him win. But he stacks all the chips against him. Right. And it's just really compelling to see if he's going to pull it off or not. And, yeah, he's lost sometimes. But, man, it's been exciting, hasn't it? And I really respond to the fighters that are like that. And if they lose, it's OK.

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But they're putting it out there. They're exciting. And it's not all about having a, you know, a Knauss on your record.

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Well, let's here's an interesting social experiment here, but a fuko fighting, shining.

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I wish Trump I wish he was around during the Trump.

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He's just beating the crap out, not only not holding her head with one hand and punching her with the other, but he literally just throws her right back.

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So let me ask you guys, here's a hypothetical or an interesting psychological question.

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I was talking to someone I can't remember who doesn't matter. They said I hate kind of McGregor. I said, you know, sometimes I hate him, too. But when he loses, I feel bad because the guys, you know, just how it is. He's covered with blood. He's been vanquished. He's been choked out, you know, to he's standing there I go. And I said, you know, when I was young, I hated Muhammad Ali because he was so brash and such a talker.

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And I always wanted to be put in his place. And he won every single fight my entire childhood. But at some point he got beat up. You know, at some point Larry Holmes just beat the crap out of him. And I, I felt bad immediately, like a switch. I went from hating this guy for ten years, hoping he would lose to oh, I said the same thing with Mike Tyson. So the person I was talking to, I said, yeah, but then when McGregor loses, then you immediately feel bad, right?

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They go now. I still hate him.

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And I don't know. Did we have this with Tyson? Did we have this, you know, at some point Tyson's on his back. He's Lennox Lewis is beat the shit out of him. He's fumbling around or or he he gets knocked out by if I got knocked out by Lennox Lewis. But he gets he's busted up that scene where. He's Buster Douglas knocks him out and he's on the corner and he's like fumbling around first mouthpiece, he's on his knees and he's trying to reach for his mouthpiece, which was on the ground like he's cost.

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You know, he should have just stood up and left his mouthpiece on the ground. They probably would have stopped it and fix this mouthpiece. But how are you guys wired? Do you are you like me where you can really hate a guy and then immediately feel bad for him? Or you like the person I was talking to, which is consistent. Just going right through. Brian, you.

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I look at the Tyson example as different than Ali and and McGregor because all he McGregor know what they're doing. They're talking, they're selling, you know, paper of, you know, hyping interest in the fight. So, you know, laughing all the way to the bank, so to speak. You know, when they got knocked out, Tyson, you could see, like, you know, he was the bully who finally someone stood up to you.

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And then it was like, oh, he's just a sad guy who just got to be like, yes. So maybe more still for Tyson and less so for the other guys who I think they're just extensions of the professional wrestlers when they do the talking.

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But MacGregor's like punched. The person I was talking to was like he smacked that old guy at a bar and I'm like know we all have our moments.

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That wasn't, I wasn't cool obviously. And he threw a hand truck through the window of one of the cruiser, one of the buses like it's it's some of that.

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But he's also had a few that was come up to us on that bus. Let's not get carried away. I don't care.

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But Gina, how about you? Do you have those feelings?

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I absolutely and I'm almost embarrassed to admit it because, of course, you want to be consistent and fuck that guy. But when you in that moment when the winner goes down and you immediately see that vulnerability, it doesn't matter if it's the good guy or the bad guy, it's somebody that you sympathize with the thought of.

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You get this reference. But in the last Batman movie, when he fights Bane and he knocks his his breathing apparatus or his pain apparatus off, and all of a sudden, who's this? Tom Hardy. Right. Is a giant, menacing monster, is just on the ground cowering and just trying to put it out.

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Well, like Tyson looking for the mouthpiece, he's trying to put it back and they're looking for their mouthpiece.

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He said, yeah, I think I'll tell you what I think what I like to see whether a fighter is a complete asshole, whether it's completely out of control, like, you know, you might look at the Tyson back in the day and saw this guy. You know, he's got a he's got a screw loose. He's an animal.

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But, you know, he was true to himself. It was what he wants. And he was he was a beast out there. But to just see him be himself and be who he was and go out there and and wreck people the way he did. Yeah, he's doing his thing. I don't like to see finances tended to be something that when they they have sort of fighting us about.

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I'm not a big fan, so. Yeah. To us reference. But it may have crossed the pond. Yeah.

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Yeah. No I got a little bit of it. I get it. I think we're all its authenticity like hey if you want to watch the pool boy bang your wife God speed but stop preaching, you know what I mean.

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Like the P GSP was a legitimate, respectful guy and you know, that was his nonsense and he was being true to himself and we loved him for George St. Peter. This breast. Yeah.

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Cormega is this this brash, cheeky chappy that's gone.

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And he took it on. He's made all this money. I think he plays up to it. But for the most part, I think is being true to himself. I'm not going to mention names because they want to beat me up. But so there's some out there that come across a bit fake and that turns me off.

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It's interesting that we're we are much more interested in authenticity than we are in behavior. It's like Snoop Dogg smokes weed wherever he goes. That's what Snoop Dogg does. Really what we don't want is people lecturing us on the evils of marijuana and then you climb into their car and it smells like pot. Right. And we don't really care what you do as long as you're kind of it is you and you are consistent. If you really think about it, we sort of as a society punish.

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We don't we don't. As I always use as an example, we don't really care if you're gay. We care if we think you're gay and you say you're not gay and you lecture us on the evils of of gay, of the gay lifestyle. That's where I refuse to go. I'm gay. We have no problem. That's our that's kind of our world. That's kind of our society. It's the part where you're asked. This is why we've all turned on Ellen.

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Nobody's ever turned on, you know, Bill Maher or even even Rosie when they were who they were. You know what I mean? It's it's the fake. It's the facade. Have you have you thought about I don't know if you guys know the story, but the Tyson fury, you know that the Gypsy King guy, the big crazy bareknuckle. Guy and Dionte, while there that thought people thought he was pretty unbeatable, heavyweight, and now Furi won the last fight, I think there's going to be another fight.

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I don't know what it is when it is. But do you guys are you aware of the story that Deontay Wilder's excuse for why he lost the second fight? I think he got knocked out in the second fight.

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Yes. The hat that he was wearing, if you can find Max iPad at Deontae while they're walking out for the second fight, he had made himself this big three hundred style Romanee headgear kind of brass, whatever he put in, he got himself so doctored up with the outfit for the walk out schutze stuff weighed too much and it depleted him for the walk 15 foot walk out weighed.

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It's a couple hundred feet and sometimes there's some dancing involved but for the dance he said his head, his crown, his eye, evidently super authentic crown like weighed too much and depleted him for the fight. Sounds a little spurious to me, but I don't know.

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Scott, thoughts. I don't want to buy it, but I know it's a pretty good excuse maybe. Listen, he just wants to get that third fight again, right?

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So if that gets him, then, yeah, the third fight is.

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Oh, my God. That's a guare outfit. Yeah. In the Batla. Yeah. Well, actually I was more plausible. Now that's it. Yeah.

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He looks like the mountain from Game of Thrones. Yeah.

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It's definitely heavy. And that's why, you know, you always stick as I used to say to my trainer all the time, nothing more than a yamaka.

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I want to instill fear, but weight is a consideration.

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Lower expectations. But wouldn't you be embarrassed to say that if it was indeed your costume or your your hat, that is the last thing? Well, it's not the hat, I'll tell you that much, because that's more embarrassing answer. I couldn't walk out in my hat because it made me too tired and it seemed like it was putting me on the time demand.

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Maybe maybe it was one of those tight ones of with that girdle.

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I feel like maybe getting off was the girl should have fought with it on would offer some protection.

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Yes. Right. And this is out of left field.

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But I was going to call for it yesterday when we were talking about Steven Seagal that Tom Arnold likes to talk. So it didn't we couldn't get it in there. Scott, since you're you're in the biz and this is right up your alley, there's a clip that's making the rounds online of a recent Steven Seagal movie, the big climax, the climactic fight. It's mostly action. So, Scott, I'd like you to break it down for a technical, you know, one who's been there.

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This is a gal finishing off. I'm I'm guessing the last bad guy in the movie and the climactic fight of a recent movie. Scott, feel free to talk over it because it's mostly music and fighting. Tell me what to see and tell me what you think.

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OK, I have not seen this. This is funny because you're on a rooftop. This is back in the distance. Look, he's got his hands stretched and he's out there and he's done him with a job that's kind of Three Stooges and he's on it. OK, all right. Well, let's see the silhouette. So that's not going to go. Oh, that's legitimate move. But every time he goes to that, it's just a stunt man.

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It's a silhouette.

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It's a cultural, unrelated and long shot back on his trailer, just having a good old time. Somebody pulls a knife because he's got one as well. Knife to knife combat. Oh, not them.

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Now the silhouette. So it's the stuff you got to really practice. What movies?

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This I don't know. I just popped up as this is the climactic fight of a recent Steven Seagal movie, and it looks like he's dressed up maybe past his prime.

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Well, Scott makes this promise before we say goodbye and go on to news that. Twenty five years and eighty pounds from now, you will gracefully walk away from the profession.

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Now you can slide behind the camera and you can do stunt coordinating, you can write scripts. But when you're bloated and 71 years old, you quietly walk away from the sport. If I end up bloodshed, oh, wow. That answer may be maybe I'll still be in shape, maybe I'll still won't be as fast as I used to be, but maybe I've still got something to offer. Right.

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But if you go it alone, just like stone, I will keep going.

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But if you talk to Steven Seagal, he'll go, Oh yeah, I'm just as fast as I ever was. Still got an email coming in my fighting weight just like 1989.

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And everyone's entitled to their own opinion. That's right.

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Scott Adkins is the name Legacy Alive is the movie. It's available now on video on Demand Digital and DVD as well. And again, 100 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. So it is good people. I enjoyed it. Brian joined and China joined it. So why not you website Scott Atkins'. Dotcom is where you go for any questions you may have and shoot them. A tweet at the Scott Adkins. Hey Scott, that was fun. When you come to L.A., whenever you come to L.A. and imagine you do periodically come by and see us and if I'm allowed in.

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Yeah. Oh, that's right. Well, we hunker down for Portland. We're the ones that aren't allowed. That's right. When you are allowed or we are allowed, then come by and say just being passive and saying you did not want us in.

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So now we're not going to out you.

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Thanks, Scott. Appreciate it. We'll talk soon. Thanks to see in person. Thank you. All right.

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