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Thanks for listening to the Adam Carolla Show on podcast one. Well, our old friend Ed Calderon joins us for the second half. He tells us all about what's going on in Mexico. Tela Russel's, a filmmaker, made a very interesting four part series about a DEA agent who was killed by Mexicans or the cartels or or did the CIA know about it? Well, we're going to find out all about that and also some crazy stuff about what would happen if you flew a helicopter over a poppy field in Mexico.
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That's a great moment in local news. Now back to The Adam Carolla Show. Well, Ed Calderon has joined us.
You know, Ed Calderone, you love Ed Calderon. He tells us everything that's going on south of the border and bleeding into this country as well. Senex Federale in Tijuana and now makes his home in the United States, but has many inside insiders and gets all the information. What's going on over there? Always good to see you, Ed.
Good to be back. Not not a former federal law, by the way, former agent of the government. That's what I know. Then I'll call him Federalist over there. Oh, that's that's a bad word, is it? Yeah, right now it is. Oh, now it is. It used to be cool. It's not anymore. I want to know the distinction there. Sorry. And we'll try to figure that out. Taylor Russell is a director, has got a four part series docu series, The Last Knaack, the available on prime video right now.
And I guess it's Amazon Prime, right? And indeed.
And they just call prime video. They go to Amazon Prime. Now, I'm all over the place today, but Amazon Prime video and I have not seen it. I was talking to Mike August about it and he said it's mind blowing. He said especially the end. And what we really find out, the story of what happened to a DEA agent, Enrique Kiki Camarena. So from 1985. So let's let's get into that, because Mike was saying, oh, they found the guy still alive.
You know, talk to people like it's let's let's do this sort of elevator pitch of the story and then we'll get into some deeper, nuanced discussion about it.
Well, essentially, it's a four part series about the most notorious murder in the history of the DEA, which was the kidnapping, torture and murder of Kiki Camarena in nineteen eighty five and the sort of shadowy, dark alliances that surrounded what happened to him and why. And so it's our deep dive on exploring the truth behind the legend.
So people are familiar with the case. And he was tortured. He was killed. And I think the big revelation is, is that we knew about it and we were aware of it and and and even there as well, meaning agents from our government. Is that correct?
Yeah, it was kind of a shadowy alliance of Mexican cartel figures, people from American intelligence agencies, both the DEA and the CIA, and sort of with the apparent complicity of the governments on both sides.
What was added might know this the best in this conversation. What was their main product in eighty five?
It was two things, the growing of Amapola, which is basically they were they started growing the poppy fields down there and weed pot fields, the the the mentioned in the documentary, the famous Rancho El Bufalo, which was which some say led to the bringing about the the anger of the cartels when it was found after hookey governor's investigations.
So it was heroin and weed where their Amabella, which is a poppy fields and weed, was being grown in the hillsides and they were basically moving cocaine up into the U.S. That was kind of the main business back then for for some of the inception of these. I mean, these were the original the OG cartel members back then.
So let's tell the story of Qiqi. What where does he start off and how how is this his AHC work?
Well, there's two intertwining stories right in the course of the series. One is the story of Kiki Camarena and sort of what he went through as he ascended the ranks of DEA and became kind of a, you know, legendary guy on the streets, door kickers first through the door kind of person who was working in Guadalajara, Mexico.
And then at the time of his kidnapping and murder, it became kind of an international sensation. And the story in which, you know, people were trying to get to the bottom of what it was later on. The second piece of the story is that the investigation several years later was taken over by a man named Hector Reyes, who sort of came from a similar background, was I didn't necessarily know Kiki on the streets and working, but was deeply moved by his.
Ready and willing to go to the ends of the earth to find out what really happened, and you're a former crime reporter for a newspaper so that you kind of have your base there. I mean, you know how to investigate things.
I have spent my and the bulk of my professional life knocking around, you know, either cops or criminals or gangsters, sort of since I first began working. And for whatever reason, I've kind of gotten, you know, a passport to that world. And I'm on both sides of the sometimes thin, porous line between the two. And this, for me, was kind of a culmination of, you know, 20 years worth of time in that world.
And the story that I had kind of waited patiently to tell, actually, for about 14 years.
So why would they torture and kill this agent, Kiki?
Well. This is a deep conspiracy, and by conspiracy, I don't mean conspiracy theory and the nature of any given conspiracy is it's a sort of incredibly dark tunnel that you go deep into. And so our goal was just kind of to bring a little bit of light to the tunnel. And the kind of initial telling of it was, hey, there was a big bust down there and sort of marijuana fields that were burned up and he was being kidnapped and tortured in reprisal for that.
But you know what our story uncovers and that's why dealing with, like first hand first person witnesses, participants, I mean, you literally have in the series the actual man or man, one of the men who laid his hands on, he put the gun in his ribs, stuck him into the car, brought him to the house where it was, put him in there, was involved in tying him up, blindfolding him. And what unfolds in the course of the telling a story is it wasn't a simple kind of, you know, revenge of the NORCOM, so to speak.
But there were there was concern that he had stumbled across the kind of dark alliance of drug cartels and the CIA affiliated with the Iran Contra scandal. And everybody was afraid that this was going to get.
Yeah, there was a lot of talk in the 80s about the CIA bringing, you know, crack cocaine to the inner city and obviously that there was a lot of Iran-Contra stuff and there was a lot of discussion about the CIA. It's weird, you don't really hear much about it anymore, but there was a lot of, like, dirty CIA talk and it was always unclear whether they're doing this or they're not doing it. I just kind of assume they're doing half of it.
But we're so the believe at all. I'll ask you, do you where do you come down in the conspiracy theory department?
I mean, to to to me, I got to work with some of the old school guys that were back active back then. And the stories around this are, you know, that's a legend down there. And the stories down their range all over the place. CIA involvement has always been something spoken of in in circles down there since, you know, the massacre at Tlatelolco back in 68, it was a student uprising that was quelled by the government down there.
And it turns out the president of Mexico was on was actually on the CIA payroll back then and they were hunting for communists back then. Then you you move forward to what happened to Kiki. What we heard or what I heard when I was coming up is that they were they were the CIA was using drug running and smuggling to fund the procurement of arms that were then sent back down south. That was kind of the gist of some of the stuff that was happening back then for the Contras and the Sandinistas.
OK, so first of all, there's an interesting thing that was just running through my head.
I always ask Ed these questions. I don't know if they're answerable, but you go back to nineteen eighty five, you go to Mexico and you go to the cartels. And now we fast forward thirty five years later to 2020.
Is it better, worse or the same. If you were to kind of say you give it a percentage or it's like you know in, in, in, in L.A. in nineteen twenty five the air was good and in 1974 the air was bad, but in twenty twenty the air's better, you know. So you can go. Well it's better, it's not perfect but it's better or it's going this way or it's going that way. If you're to try to kind of designate it a direction to this, how would you answer that.
I think you can you can trace a line from this event and some of the arrest that came out of it that started with the initial fragmentation of some of these criminal groups down there, which basically turned it into a worse problem. A few high level guys were were arrested after this. Some say they were just used the scapegoats or as a symbolic arrest, that the true people that actually were responsible for it are still out there. But you have people like Feliz Gallardo, Donato Quintero, which were the original kind of guys that formed the Guadalajara cartel.
They were, you know, arrested. A lot of these people, these three people are actually still alive. Two of them are under house arrest well, in their 90s and one of them is out. And there's a 20 million dollar bounty on on his head by the FBI. But you can trace back some of the initial fracturing used to be that were. One big major cartel down there that was in control of everything. Now you have the new generation cartel, the Sinaloa cartel.
You have smaller cartel groups numbering in, depending on who you ask, of 40 to 50 small groups out there. And they're all warring each other. And the government and the federal government is fighting with the state government at times. It's I mean, if you look at just numbers, it's way worse now. Awesome.
And can I add add and just building on what Ed said like to me and why this story is still so relevant is like this is the flash point that has led to the cartel wars that have Gulf engulfed Mexico and violence to this day without this one specific murder, the kind of ultra violence and chaos and fighting factions that Ed was talking about, it's all directly in this one story.
Well, as I was talking about it with Mike Gogu, as he was explaining that one of the fellows who was there still around and I think living in Florida somewhere, maybe Miami, I can't remember, Mike, the intelligence, the CIA, Cuban Kuwano is that they call him down there.
You can speak to it.
And the allegations are that you know that these people, the first hand first first person witnesses are saying that not only was this guy kind of a notorious CIA asset and the guy who in fact once upon a time had hunted down and killed Che Guevara and cut off his hands as proof that he was it was kind of like the Zelig, you know, of the American intelligence covert ops effort is was, in fact, the man who was one of the primary interrogators of Qiqi.
And this is the one that's asking many of the most trenchant questions on the recordings that were made of the kidnap torture.
Oh, and he's still with us and living in Florida somewhere. And nobody is looking in to what's his status?
Well, you know, it was interesting for part of the process of like when these explosive allegations came to light, we took it upon ourselves to reach out to everybody who was directly implicated. And it had to be sort of very specific, like it's this person that says that you were exactly here on these dates and these three abduction meetings. You were planning it. You were there on the day. You were the one conducting questions. You were the one who brought in the tape recorder, the entire thing tape recorded.
And so I had to go to him and sort of write him a personal letter saying, hey, here's what I have come across with. These other people have said, how do you want to respond? And he was very short and very sort of courage and said, this is all the product of a Cuban intelligence disinformation campaign. I was never even in Mexico during these years and I have no further comment and don't want to be.
Wow, what what do you think where we are now in terms of our government vis a vis that the CIA involved with these kinds of extramarital affairs? Again, I heard all about it in the 80s. I don't hear about it that much. Now, that doesn't mean it's not happening. Do we know what it's like now? It's a great question.
I mean, like one of the interesting things about the way the CIA operates and sort of that covert, shadowy intelligence operates is it all happens in the shadows. It's not like it's, you know, a little cabal of people in a room. And there's a clear chain of command. And what you have is independent operators fully empowered who are doing things cut out behind enemy lines. And that's actually the job of the CIA, right? That's what it was created for.
But, you know, finding an ability to like police that and making sure that people don't sort of run amok and abuse the power or or deliberately being used to do it. Oftentimes it takes a long time story to come out. So my experience as a filmmaker and journalist, I guess, is that oftentimes you've got to let these stories breathe for a long time. And then suddenly as people get older and they're like, you know, they got like pressure on their heart about like what was the truth that they're carrying with them that they don't want to go to the grave.
And that's when you kind of hear these stories. So it's like I think they'll increasingly come out more and more with the passage of time. And and I imagine they're working all over the world. That's their job.
You can you can see 2006 era, Afghanistan's production of heroin at an all time high. And that's at the peak of the invasion.
So that gives you, you know, a pause. Also out of the Netto, Rafael Cotto, Quintero, the three guys that were implicated and arrested for the murder of Qiqi down in Mexico. None of them were ever extradited to the United States. And as far as I know, the two of them are under house arrest right now and one of them is still out there. And he was let go on a technicality after 28 years of being in prison.
Rafael Correa Quintero.
So you're saying that if the CIA really wanted to bring this guy to trial with reporters and stenographers, they may have been able to do it, but they weren't interested in that.
It's suspicious to anybody that sees these three people of that and the crime they were implicated in and them never being extradited. You know, you see extraditions happening every every year, high level ones. You have El Chapo, you have a lot of Obama. You have all these guys that were captured down there and then you would extradite them. These three were never extradited.
Also, you see the technicality that Rafael Correa Quintero was let go of, let go by. Basically, a judge ruled his his trial as being if he was tried federally and he committed no federal crime, really seem suspicious.
So 28 years they found this technicality, let him go. As soon as he was let go, the U.S. issued a warrant for his arrest and they put a 20 million dollar bounty on his head.
I have a question for both you that's a little off this subject. But but Jermaine Sutler, I know you were you directed the seven five, which is another great documentary about basically the world's most corrupt, dirtiest cop in New York City. I saw it on some on Amazon Prime as one when I see that one.
That was on Netflix. On Netflix. Yeah, it's a it's a few years old, but you guys both know what bad cops look like with bad police departments look like. And you've seen extreme examples of it south of the border. But also in New York City, you turn on the news. Everyone's talking about reimagining policing and bad cops in this that the other. There's always going to be bad cops. But could we ever really do it at the level that it was done in the past or it is done now in Mexico?
I mean, you know, they always come out like we want to defund and we got to reimagine. We we need oversight. Could you even pull that off? Like if you lived in Seattle now and you were just the bad lieutenant, you're just Harvey Keitel. Like everyone's got a body camera on and there's there's a ring doorbell thing everywhere. Like it's that still going on.
Could you could you could you get away with it? Could you be the Michael. Michael Dowd. Twenty one. Is that your question.
Yeah. Like how does that work. I feel like, I don't know, maybe I'm being naive.
No, I mean I think it's a really good question because like in every era, you've got the perfect set, perfect storm and circumstances that allow the crimes to happen for like Michael. Out in the mid 90s, you had a flood of dope on the streets, you had massive amounts of cash, you didn't have everybody with social media and cell phones and whatever. So these guys were kicking down doors, blocking the dope stash houses and nobody was looking and they just scooped it up and out.
They went or eventually became bodyguards and whatever. But, you know, obviously now it is so radically changed and I'm sure would do better than I. But my instinct is you have these examples of, like, system failure all the time, whatever the circumstances are, it's, you know, dark web going on, you know, what's happening on the dark web in twenty 20. But there's always going to be people that are crooks carrying a badge.
Yeah, I just mean, could you do it the way you did it before.
Like so I'll, I'll add this. When I was active of course corruption was everywhere and I was active for 12 years. And still to this day, I still speak to some of the people that I still work with. Body cameras are becoming a thing down there. And they are. Yeah, and everybody is a potential camera now. Security cameras are pretty cheap, you know. So even in the Third World, people have no cameras or Wi-Fi enabled cameras.
So it's not that easy to kick in the door and steal, you know, a drug lord or money, stuff like that. The phenomenon down there is this are some of the lower level individuals or the people that are working on the streets are becoming a bit more dependent on the trickle down effect. So the the cartels will pay the higher ups, which don't hand any cameras around them. Right. And the higher ups will actually have a have a payroll and pay the guys at the bottom.
Mm hmm. So that's that's the form that the corruption takes. It is no longer, in most cases, no longer them going out there and stripping loads of people and reselling them. Right. It's the higher ups trickling down the money that's paid for each of them to be.
Loyal to the owner, which is that's what they call him, a loyal who could be whatever Kado on the U.S. side. What's the what's the federal, the police, federal, the federal law enforcement agency with the most convictions for corruption?
What is. Yeah, well, I guess I don't know, but it seems like Chicago's always number one for for these sorts of things, for the Customs and Border Protection.
Oh, oh, I'm not picking a city. I'm picking a job so that the folks I mean, how can you avoid being paid off? I mean, and them not by how how can you take people who make what a school teacher makes and have and have them police a group of billionaires and expect them not to take bribes? It's fundamentally flawed.
I don't mean everybody has a price. And sometimes that, you know, plateau blammo, the silver. Right. And everybody has a monosyllable or everybody that I know is allergic to lead. So.
So, yeah, I, I mean, you're talking about like essentially the equivalent of a like a multibillion dollar corporation that's willing to do whatever is possible to like, you know, protect those profits. So if that's, you know, butchering people, having high level electronic surveillance equipment, whatever it is, you have to think that the powers that be, you know, are equally matched with the with the with the criminal element.
Well, you know, you just look at us and, you know, I'm not this dude, but. Nike, Apple, you know, they got these shops in China, people are not not not treated humanely over there, a lot of putting the nets up because people are jumping off the top of the building, committing suicide and stuff. And what I'm saying is, is it sounds like I'm knocking Apple or Nike or whatever, maybe I am.
But I'm just saying the human condition is it's OK if these people get hurt or suffer. Little if I can get my product like I always try to tell everyone a corporation isn't good or bad. It's just it's just there to make money. And if they can outsource their stuff to Mexico or they can outsource their stuff to China, they can do whatever it is, make money. And these are corporations that, you know, are affiliated with the NBA and, you know, mainstream and run commercials during the Super Bowl.
If these guys can sort of engage in a behavior that is a version of what we're talking about, then you go to the place that's lawless and you have a corporation. Yeah, they're going to do it. They're going to do horrible things. Exactly, I mean, just as long as you get your product, you're fine with it. Right. That's kind of the well, as long as I get my iPhone and my cocaine, then I'm fine with.
That's that's kind of you can you can you can you can say the same. You know. Kiki, come on in. You know. He he was passionate about his job, he did what he did and he worked I was a very dangerous job. I wouldn't do it. He went down there and did that job and he got killed. He was an American. There was this whole investigation. And now it's coming to light that the CIA might have been involved, which I'm pretty much convinced it was.
But, you know, again, you go back you go back to 68 in Mexico, 350 to 400 students were killed in a plaza that were involved in a government protest. And the CIA was feeding information to the president, who was also part of there. He was on the on the payroll for the CIA down there.
So in a way, they also they were also involved that the version of Tiananmen Square, they said that in 1968, that's in 68 in Mexico, there's a lot of there's a lot of communist communism kind of taking root in some of the universities.
And they wanted to fight back against it.
But, you know, that's that type of stuff gets kind of like, you know, fades into the background.
Well, here's an interesting thought that I'll pose to both of you. It's interesting that we need sort of political will like stuff gets solved. You know, politicians don't inherently care more about pollution or border security or really welfare or anything. It's just once there's a movement to clean up the river, then the politicians go, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm definitely down with clean up the river. And if you don't believe me, every politician who's seventy five now, when they were 60, they're like gay marriage.
What? No way. That's weird. And now they're like, what do you mean I'm down with gay marriage. Well you just change that much from age 60 to 70 like. And what do we have to look forward to when we're 60? But my point is, is I'm for gay marriage. I'm just saying here's how politicians roll. They're against it until they're for it. And political will is an important thing. So the question I'm going to pose is.
They most most of the folks we're dealing with, certainly in California and some of these border cities and towns, they hate Trump and Trump has tried to demonize Mexico, meaning Mexico, scary build a wall. So he's doing his political well, which is, hey, we got to build the wall because these scary rapists and drug dealers and stuff, we've got to keep them from coming in here. CNN hears that message and go, wait a minute, these are all noble people who just want to make a living and want to feed their family.
So now and the same thing happened with China, Trump one Wuhan virus, Chinese they brought and then CNN. What do you mean leave these Chinese alone? These are good, noble people and not trying to do anything. Leave them alone. This is your fault.
So he essentially, if you're China or your Mexico, you've got to go, oh, this is awesome, because all Trump does is call them out and then CNN rushes in and goes, there's nothing to see here. That's not the issue. We need to see his tax, his tax returns. So his Mexico caught a break in a weird way with Trump, because I watch the news all day, every day. I don't hear word one about anything that's going on in Mexico.
I you could kill a bus full of Mormons over there. Wouldn't matter. It's like, who cares now? They're fine. There's nothing going on.
They're actually defending China and defending Mexico because they're doing a kind of reverse engineering of what Trump wants. Does that ring true or is that my theory?
Well, I just I think it's like we're at a moment of kind of system failure. Right. A systemic failure. And it's like this doesn't come down to one person or one president or one institution or even one country. It's not the way the system is built right now is broken. It's a kind of institutional failure, whether that's, you know, American border policy of Mexico, US relations. In a weird way, you know, this documentary series is shedding a light on a moment.
It's just a failure. You can call it a failure policing. You can call it a failure of spy game. You know, you can call it a moment when the war on communism trumps the war on drugs. But like, that's what happens. And I think that's what we're reckoning is we're sort of at a moment like system failure. So everybody's screaming and nobody's listening.
Eduardo, Exxon Valdez and the and the ocean. And you go up and clean that up. And the same thing happened. It was a not an ecological disaster, but it was a foreign policy disaster happening in Mexico. You know, everybody says like, oh, so you're blaming it on the U.S.? No, it's a regional problem. The United States is part of the you know, it's a part of a continent. And there's a it's a regional problem.
Mexico has its own problems that are systemic, related to its political class. Some of the old money there, some of the cultural you know, and when I heard Trump kind of play the whole have a Muslim friend and he tapped me on the back when Trump won and said, it's your guy's turn to be the bad guy. Right. And I was you know, it was it was funny.
You know, I could with a little bit of laughing, there's problems on both sides. I'm fascinated by the news, how they basically anything that he says is good is bad, and anything he says is bad, is good. And it's just from completely outsider perspective. I'm just scratching my head how polarized it is.
Well, I as a guy who grew up and has been in California my whole life, there was stories coming out of Mexico and they weren't good stories and they weren't all day, every day. But what happened, it would happen. And ever since Trump decided that we should build a wall, then the whole you know, the migrants turned into peaceful moms marching with their whatever. I think Ed knows a little more of the truth about that. We're not there.
We're not peaceful. But but there's but there's no political will because it's not being created by by the news outlet.
And it's a blackout. It's it's it's a weird blackout of information coming out of there or anything that he touches ceases to be news.
It's also interesting that in a world where we've sort of racialized everything, that we don't have issues with Canada because they're basically white people. But if you're going to start saying something about Mexico now, there's going to be a racial component and nobody wants to get near a racial component. No politician for sure. And news outlets as well, unless they're calling someone else a racist. But they don't want that finger pointed back at them. So maybe between those two elements, it's kind of radio silence on Mexico.
It's an interesting thing in that we share a very long border with them. They're the basically a narco state. There's plenty to discuss in. In terms of the future and the news and the border, and it's literally doesn't come up, I watch the news all day, every day, it's like there's no and it's been that way for a number of years. It just doesn't happen. It doesn't exist. Yeah.
And this documentary kind of talks a little bit about the origins of that and the way things are right now. You live next to people debate you on this side of the border, like I've been debated, that Mexico is in a failed narco state. And I tell them, OK, I fly a helicopter over oversee over Sinaloa, you know, just to fly a military helicopter.
Everything in life, you can't there's no way you get shot down.
They have air, so they have air superiority. It's all that stuff.
Is that Chinese or Russian stuff? Some of America. Some of it is some of that is some of the stuff that I've seen is American coming down, coming up from Central America, some of the stuff that for that that was bought with some of the money made from selling drugs back in the whatever this documentary kind of talks about, some of those weapons are coming back up. So you see some 80s and 90s era military stuff. Great stuff. Also from Africa now.
Oh, really? Yeah. We just in Mexico just found a large load of fentanyl that was trying to be put into Mexico, coming from Spain out of all places. Really.
So you would say, why Spain? Well, Chinese influence is all over the African continent. So it would make sense that they saw that you were closing up the borders and kind of tightened security on the Pacific side. So now they're moving to Atlantic through Africa.
Hey, Tylor, what else you got cooking? Because I know is a guy who makes documentaries. You have to have sort of one in the oven and one on the table and one.
You know what, I'm waiting for the right to be loaded. Yeah. I got a couple of things that are coming up as well. I've got a feature film, a movie that Lionsgate is releasing that's also about the drug war in some sense, contemporary story called Silk Road. You know, about the sort of Amazon of the, you know, of the drug world and that's going to be released at the end of this year or beginning of next.
And then I've got a Netflix series that'll be coming out in the beginning of January, mid-January. I guess it's another kind of notorious murder story that actually also takes place in 1984.
I'll give a plug the four part docu series, The Last Snark, and it's available on Amazon Prime as we speak. Taylor, Russell, I'll invite you back for when your other projects come out as well, because it's an interesting conversation all. We'll say goodbye to Taylor for now. And and I'll talk a little more about Mexico with in general. And thanks, Taylor.
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So Ed really literally like ack ack guns if you fly helicopter over there.
Poppy field, there's the capital of Sinaloa Quilligan where they captured the. The military captured the son, one of the El Chapo sons, and he the whole of the cartel basically went in there and took him back and fought off the military, fought off the federal police and the state police.
That is their territory. You can go down there and you'll see a military convoy roll around. They recently killed a high level cartel guy. And there's a cemetery there called Davina's Adamiya Cardenas. Adamiya Cemetery is basically if you go there, you won't you won't realize that the cemetery looks like a bunch of luxury apartments next to each other.
They buried one recently, a very high level cartel guy there, and armed people having beings being security all around that cemetery. It's not a secret cemetery. It's it's not something they didn't. Everybody knew there was going to be buried there. And there's no military presence. The government didn't crack down on all these armed men walking around with AK 47. So they owned you know, there's just no ifs, ands or buts about it. That state and that city is theirs.
Right. So when people argue Mexico isn't a narco state, in some parts, they're Nichols own the states, they work it.
What would it be the equivalent of here? Would it be the equivalent?
Like there was a shop in Seattle, all that jazz, jazz and shop. They took over three blocks. Yeah.
Would it be like a group owning all of Seattle or what would be a sort of it's a little apples to oranges, but if you could kind of draw an equivalent, would that be like I'll go over how they control things and you would have to kind of so imagine imagine that you you you had a criminal group that paid for every single successful run on the governorship of California. Right. Imagine there was a criminal group that paid for the for the campaigns of both governors and they would always win.
So they would own the state from the governor on down.
I think we'd be I think we'd still do better than Newsom. I do. Don't you feel like if a drug cartel like if you said to me, would you rather have Gavin Newsom or somebody that the drug cartel conjured up? I'd be like, well, it can't be worse than needs, right? Like I mean, I think I could get a haircut if the guy was from the Sinaloa cartel was running, pulling the strings. I got to believe that the sports cuts would be open and lock and yota.
Right. Well, you can you can you can go back a little bit. And Sinaloa, the people that were actually enforcing the quarantine were there with the cartel guys.
Really? Yeah, so and so. And so they they wanted to push.
So they would they would call out to anybody that wants to buy drugs, stayed home. We're going to deliver. If you want women, stay home. We're going to deliver. And if we catch anybody without a mass outside, you're going to get the board, which is basically a long wooden board that they use to punish criminals down there.
So how do they use that?
They handcuff you behind your back. They put up they put you in a in a half Nelson. They pull down your pants and then they grab that board and just, oh, what a town wasn't there.
Clip of that on the Internet. There's a clip of that.
That is a classic correctional device in Mexico, not just for cartels, but for all sorts of weird youth out there.
Show that video I saw on Twitter. I don't know. Did you send it out?
I did not send that out. It's out there. There's there's a few out there of cartels basically policing their their towns. And people down there don't call the cops. They call they call the cartels and they give them the board. If if you're lucky or if you're lucky or else you'll end up in a bag. Oh, wait a minute. It's quite the opposite of what I was saying. Max Pena has an article on CNN talk about women moving to Mexico after that Jorge Floyd situation.
So I guess it's more dangerous here than than in Mexico. What is our goal and what part of Mexico are they moving to or this this particular one in the article moved to Puerto Vallarta. Yeah, she packed her bags, quit her job in law enforcement and moved to Mexico after Jorge Floyds death. It's a phenomenon dubbed as blacks it. Yeah, and so part the where to safe, because it's run by a single cartel, so there's just a one cartel, not feuding cartels.
Yeah. So it's just, you know, one cartel down.
She's one of many African-Americans leaving the United States permanently for many reasons, including racism and fear of police brutality.
Well, you did have racism in Mexico. Yes, we are. We are the way we invented, right? No, no, no. We still have blackface comedy on TV, but we invented race. No, no. Mexicans are like, I know these. Hold on. These are noble, hardworking, family oriented, God fearing people who just want a better life. OK. I grew up reading a magazine and still on newsstands called Momin Pinguin.
It's basically a black kid and it's pretty racist.
But ad I like you and I know you think you know about Mexico. We invented racism. Now, some of it may have slipped past the border and made its way into Tijuana. Yeah, OK. But we invented racism. And when it comes to bad cops, that's another thing we do. We have racist cops or bad cops who then take it out on the citizens. And that's why these black ladies have to move to the single cartel town no matter what.
It's that's not you know, I don't see that. I mean, she could move to a place like Guanajuato where there's two cartel feuding and then say, well, it's great that there's no the police here are great know they're not corrupt. So I moved away from the U.S. because of police corruption and violence. I mean, that doesn't.
But CNN says that this is a big deal, that these people are trying to escape. So we have persecution here. OK, but but listen. We take citizens and if they don't look like us, you know what I mean? Like, they're not blond haired and blue eyed, then we go after them because we have systemic racism in this country. And in Mexico, you have a group of super hard working, family oriented people who want a better life.
So if you're here and you're a woman. And especially a woman of color, and you don't want a target on your back, then you move to Mexico where it's safe to be. But please listen, that's why you move to Mexico for safety's sake. You want to fear for your child every time they leave the house because of the color of their skin. Do you want them to be hunted, hunted, literally hunted? LeBron James is one of our famous basketball players, explains it.
They're hunting black people here. Do they have such a sport in your homeland of Mexico where they just hunt people of color or people are actually people that are different than them? That's our thing. We don't like people who are different than us that you have to look like Tom Petty. Otherwise we hunt you. Yeah. Didn't you watch CNN?
I've never felt hunted at all. Meanwhile, Mexico evidently is a utopia because I watch CNN and I don't hear anything negative about Mexico. There was that group of hard working folks that were moving toward the border through Central America and then in through Mexico. These are noble got these are kids. You know, these are these are little girls, little girls and their mothers who are coming to the border to seek a better life.
18TH Street gang members paid to move and make a commotion and just do a media circus.
You're not watching CNN? Oh, this is a group, a proud group of people who are seeking a better life.
You don't seek a better life by going across the country, robbing and stealing your way across that country and then making demands to the government to let you in or else give you 50000 dollars so you can go back home. That's not how it works.
I don't know what you talk about. We talk many of those young children, we throw them into cages and then we pepper sprayed them. OK, OK. So what happened was look, I'm not saying Donald Trump physically built the cages himself, but he may have asked the guys who are building the wall to build cages and then they throw them in the cage and then they pepper sprayed them.
So so those cages, those detention centers, I actually visited some of those centers before the Trump administration was.
No, he invented it was his idea to build the cages and put the kids in the cages that didn't exist.
And pretty much every time somebody commits a crime in the U.S. and they have kids with them, they get separated from their kids. And every time I've seen from the Bush administration when minors would cross the border with their parents, they would be separated from them as they were processed. And there was a detention center right that was Bush and Obama.
Then they stopped doing it during the Obama administration, the same thing.
Well, now you're not watching CNN. They stopped it for eight years and then Trump got in and kick started the whole program again.
No, that's that's. What year were you there? 2006.
Uh huh, well. Right now, I got to do the goddamn math now, time machine, yet Obama wasn't in charge then. OK, all right. So they were there and then they mothballed them for those eight years. And then Trump went over there and he did a ribbon cutting ceremony and they reopened the cages and they started ushering the kids in a cage. Ever looked like those crab pots? You know what I mean? Eventually, deadliest catch the come pulling up.
It was that way. That's what that's the way they did it just packed in there. And they pepper spray them when they're not sexually assaulting that.
The largest amount of children coming through the border was during the Obama administration. I was I was active back then and I saw them being sometimes bussed into the close to the border and then crossed. A lot of these kids actually made it through the whole of the country. I have some horrible, horrible stories out of them, some of them disappearing during their their their crossing. But that was mostly during the Obama administration.
You see why the black women want to move from Minnesota to Mexico for their safety.
I mean, Puerto Vallarta is a resort town. I mean, that's not that's not a hotbed of cartel activity as far as murders and two groups fighting.
Well, Eduardo, they had to resort to leaving because they didn't want to be hunted by their own police force. Well, I know a little bit about being hunted. And and I'm actually came to this country running from some of that stuff down there. So I have no idea what's what's going through here.
Right. But you're not a minority. We hunt minorities in this country, so you've got to watch the news.
You're a maverick.
I've kind of. Hmm. There's there's a little there's a little bit of got a little bit of a tan.
I do love the theme of that about our racist society. Never. And like, we never stop. We've ratcheted up.
We go nuts every ten minutes because we're now we had eight years of a black president and we're upping our racist argument about this country. Ten thousand fold in the last twenty minutes.
And I'm in Mexico City not joking. We are very racist in Mexico. The whole I'm a Native American. I'm proud of my heritage thing up here in the U.S. It's like fascinating to me because in Mexico, my grandfather was was Native American and he wouldn't talk about it. It was a thing to be ashamed of down there.
Yeah, explain that. Explain Native American as it pertains to Mexico. So if you're brown and very ethnic in Mexico, you know, in India, and that's a derogatory term, right. There's experiments done with children where some of the brown or children or more on the native side, they give they get a white Barbie and a brown Barbie. And they asked them which one is the evil one? And they will always grab the brown one and raise it.
This one is the evil one. And it's a systemic cultural thing that's programmed all of our telenovelas, all the heroes are blonde, all the the ladies on the on the news, usually Caucasians. And we have this weird cultural fascination with Caucasians on Novellus, it as heroes and stuff like that.
Well, it's like in India they have the whole skin lightening cream world or like the dark Indians are not desirable in the light Indians. That's why I love it's like we invented racism. You don't think these cultures have been around for a couple of minutes before us? OK, and we invented we, by the way, racism and slavery. We both were the only country to engage in slavery. I do. I do love that. So you growing up so you're darker, which means you have more Indian in your heritage.
Yeah. Yeah. What we would call Native American or whatever. Yeah.
Mexico, they call it the Brown. It's like a derogatory term but. Right. And so people can see that on you. Yeah. And they treat you differently. Yes. Yes.
It's so if you're not light skinned and if you have like green green eyes or blue eyes down there, you're like you get a lifetime free pass of.
So it's weird people here that are hearing this that are Mexican. Well, you know, they're probably nodding in agreement out there.
Are you how are you treated in this country or what has been your experience in terms of your nationality?
I travel every weekend to a different state. I was in Cleveland last weekend and then depending on where I am, I'm treated as an exotic person, which is pretty fascinating that I'm exotic to them. California always treats me with. Oh, you're from Mexico. Yeah. Can I speak Spanish then? Like to try to accommodate me. So that's which is Spanish.
It was Tosca calcareous like Cory Booker and the remember that when he was pandering. Right. It was horrible. Like as a native speaker I was like pandering. Can you please stop Spandau pandering, the pandering, pandering, but. Have you been treated with any negativity in this country solely because of your ethnicity?
Yes, and it's usually from Chicanos or or Mexicans.
Why? What is their beef? The worst enemy, a Mexican, is another Mexican. That's just a cultural thing we don't like. We don't like ourselves. That's apparently the thing. But as far as you know, Americans of the Filipino, Filipino Americans, Native Americans, all that, I've never experienced any sort of racism or any sort of you can't be here or we don't like your kind here outside of a few movies. I've never actually experienced that, you know.
Well, you know, it's interesting. I kind of feel the way with racism, as I do with covid-19, which is like people go, how do you deny this person their experience of that person, that experience? And I go, I don't and I'm not looking at FBI crime statistics or anything, but I've been on this goddamn planet for fifty six years and I've known people of all different origins and there's just not been an issue. Yeah, and it's the same with the covid-19 in that I'm not saying it doesn't exist.
I'm saying I don't know anyone who's been killed by it. I know I've talked to being Baxter from Kevin and being he got it was like getting the flu. I talked to Bryan Cranston the other week. He and his wife got it. They didn't know they had it. I've talked to different people who have had it, and I've not talked to anyone who's been killed by it, which is what here's what I'm equating it to with with racism, which is I'm not saying it doesn't exist.
It absolutely exists. Everything exists. I'm not I'm saying we shouldn't lock down in power under our bed in a fetal position because it's it it didn't it's the same with racism, which is like it exists. I don't know anyone who's a racist and I don't know one who's been the subject of racism. And so for that reason, I'm going to live my life.
It's a it's like the talk of about slavery, the historical slavery in this country and how people speak of it in the past tense.
You you have African-Americans wanting talking about reparations and stuff like that, you actually have slavery right now, indentured slaves coming into this country legally and working off their ability to stay here.
Is that mainly from China? It's from all over.
Are the East mainly or are all Mexicans go through some of this process where they're brought here illegally and they have to work off their their ability to stay here? Sex sex, sex trafficking, women coming in from all over on the East Coast, coming in from Eastern Europe that I've seen, you know, that I've kind of studied how much is sex trafficking a thing. And I don't mean to be that broad, but I mean, it's like I walk through the airports of this country, I see the signs up, you know, sex trafficking and human trafficking.
And I always think of myself, is there that much of that going on? And if so, where is it? And I get it's not in LA, Canada, California and, you know, in my neighborhood. But I mean, like, I travel, I watch the news. I feel like I see things like where is it and how does it work?
Most of the stuff that I experience as far as sex trafficking happened in Mexico and a lot of it happened on the border at sorry, these are noble, hardworking, God fearing people who want a better life for their kids. So I don't know where the sex trafficking thing is.
Well, it's behind drug smuggling and guns. It's the biggest moneymaker for criminal groups in Mexico, trafficking in people.
But that's because we've created a market for sex trafficking. We have a lot of horny, red haired Americans who want to have sex with underage Latina women. And so that wouldn't exist if we didn't create the market for that.
And you like eating salads during a covered epidemic.
And apparently, you know, slave labor is is allowed during their essential workers. You know that.
Yeah. I mean, pickers. Yeah, pickers were essential workers. During the Kowit epidemic. There was no shortage, shortages of salads in supermarkets.
Can you help me with this? It's always confusing to me when our politicians say and I'm not saying there's a math that I can't do, but they always go.
You know, we can't get white people to do these jobs or we can't get Americans to do this. You can't get Americans to do those jobs. And but my thing is, is what if you pay them? You can like I used to do work. So. So here's the deal. I grew up in Los Angeles and we you know, what was very popular in Los Angeles? You even see an old TV shows and movies and stuff like that.
Japanese gardeners, OK, they didn't have Mexican gardeners. They had Japanese gardeners. Yeah, that was a thing. It was not only that, but as much as sort of the Mexican with the leaf blower and whatever it was, if you want to went back to the 60s and even the 70s and even into the 80s, it was a Japanese gardener. So, yeah, Mr. Miyagi, that shit took place in Tarzana or something. And that's the middle of the San Fernando Valley.
And Mr. Miyagi was a Japanese gardener that movies made in the 80s.
But he was an older guy who was a gardener and was his school maintenance guy and a gardener discovered. The point is, is trust me, all Japanese gardeners, OK, my family was poor and even my grandparents who were like a little less poor, had a Japanese gardener, which is. Now, imagine a Japanese gardener in Los Angeles today. It's so exotic, it's exotic, exotic, something, something very expensive problem, and it seems exotic and and unthinkable, but it was something that happened.
So my feeling is, is when I used to clean carpets to demographic things, but I cleaned it with Chris BOEM. It's like a German guy, Arae old Hafa German guy, Todd Oilor Jewish guy. There was a Willy Calderone, Mel, Willy Maldonado. He was I may have been Italian and Mexican, whatever, but the point is it's a bunch of white people doing carpet cleaning work, you know, real shit work. And I when I got out of high school, I went on a construction site, I worked as a laborer.
So did all these other guys, every guy knew worked labor. Now you kind of go, well, you're not going to get Americans to do that or you're not going to get white guys that well. You get poor people to do a lot of shit.
Yeah, you you flood the market with cheap labor when you walk out that don't complain about anything, they're just keeping it.
But what I'm saying is, is if you said we're not going to flood the market, we're going to hire Americans to do this, we're going to have to pay them 17 bucks an hour. They're not going to do it for nine bucks an hour. And then they'd go, well, the cost of lettuce, I mean, the cost you're read, Charlotte's going to go up. But my my argument to that is sort of like saying. Well, then, that's the cost of lettuce, like you say, I want a car, they go, well, it's going to be three grand worth of airbags in that car.
You can't go. I don't want it. You can just go. That's what's in a new car.
It's airbags. You right now you're seeing China's China's the bad guy. And you make a lot of stuff in China and you have a a country that is you can manufacture a lot of stuff down there. You have a lot of cheap labor up here that comes from from Mexico. And you're in a weird as a country, you're in denial of your one. There's jobs that Americans don't want to do. And it's interesting that that whole concept of jobs that Americans don't want to do.
Now, I think you're on to something when you say they don't want to do them, because I don't want to get paid the wages that the basic basically indentured servant slaves are being paid in those fields. They're being paid. Not minimum wage, that's what I'm going to say, I don't you know, it's sad to me. Well, a couple of things. One is just like when the politician, especially a Democratic politician, goes, oh, you want to pay five bucks for our head?
It's like, buddy, I'm going to pay whatever is a fair wage. I don't want you to pay these people less than minimum wage or a living wage. But also when you travel and you go to like West Virginia and you walk out of your hotel and walk area, hotel room, there's a blonde chick pushing a vacuum cleaner in the hall. You're like, yeah, yeah, it's going on. And you're like, I had a moment like that in Wisconsin.
Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, hi. Oh, hi. How are you. Red hair, older lady white. That was pretty fascinating at a hotel.
It's always I'm always thinking of like Days of Thunder where they sent that prostitute over dressed as a cop. I'm like, OK, baby, how does this work? She's like, I work at the fucking hotel. Yeah, OK.
But you take my pants off here because you never see that here, like especially in California, you would never see it. But what I'm saying is, is somewhere in Wisconsin and Virginia, they do have blonde people and red haired people doing jobs that you think they won't do. Yeah, you just have to pay them. You have to pay them now. Yeah. I mean, I think I think there has to be some sort of middle, middle, middle ground solution to this, where they used to have programs called little Prasetyo programs where you would have people coming in on on work visas and just work and then go back and, you know, that work for a while.
Somewhere along the lines, things got corrupted in such a way where, you know, I imagine some of the major companies out there, I think the government has a has a winery up there which was not was open for business. Oh, yeah. You know, keep it open. People need to drink and they don't need to get your haircut and actually know a few of the people that work and working in some of these fields. And I know that some of them and I know that they are irregular and they what's irregular, they don't have any paperwork and and but which is which is fine.
Most of the people working in Napa Valley in those fields, that's that's that's that's what makes it run. Interesting thing about it is the more open they were open for public events even during the whole closedown portion. That's what that's what they told me. And and that they were there were there were essential basically.
That's what they were told, maybe jokingly, but that's what they were told.
Let me ask I've asked before, with no end in sight for Mexico as far as what I can tell. Would what would be the best thing for Mexico? What we've talked in the past about you probably thinking that basically the United States annexing them would probably be the best, but I don't know.
I can't recall. I mean, that's not it's not that they're going to annex Mexico. I think you guys need to annex California first. It's a it's it's a it's a probably. I personally think that's going to be some sort of armed intervention in Mexico by the U.S. and it's going to be related to resources, not drugs or violence as a as a as a country. And you can see this in Africa happening. A lot of Chinese mining companies out there competing directly with Western governments.
I think you're going to run into into a case where the U.S. is going to need all that lithium right across the border as we get into the battery, electric, everything.
I think you're already starting to see that. And I think that's that's going to lead to an intervention of some sort in Mexico. Main problem I see with that scenario is the government and the cartels are basically two heads on two heads on a on a snake. They are in very much. And then a lot of ways are intertwined. The people down there are sick of the government and they're also some of them. A lot of them are sick of the cartels.
So any sort of intervention down there, you know, leads me into kind of the scenario where you went into Iraq and eliminated the the government, disbanded the military on one side and supported other ethnicities on the other and basically led to this internal war or a civil war.
Well, it's interesting, uniquely qualified to answer this, which is we make the mistake as the United States in grafting on our wishes and desires onto every other nation. Yeah. So we go in the Middle East and want freedom and a little freedom. Everyone loves freedom. They want freedom. And so we go there we go. Once we show them a little glimpse of freedom, then they're going to grab onto it with both hands and embrace it, you know.
And what you learn is certain cultures don't want the same thing we want. So this thing of like we're going to go to Mexico, we're going to liberate these people and they're going to rise up and be free. I don't know. Maybe that's not their culture. And then one could argue, I, I don't think it is their culture because how did this happen in the first place, like in the Middle East as an example? You have things have to take place, like shit has to go down, and what I mean is, is like.
There is a reason why this group is governed this way, there's a reason why cartels have taken over over there. There's a reason why there's warlords in Africa. It's because there's something in the people that tolerate it, accept it, or in some cases need it or want it in its own perverse way. So maybe this notion of going to a place where this is and going, oh, good, we're going to let we treat it like someone is wrongfully accused and put in jail.
We're just going to open the door and they're going to go, oh, freedom, escape. They'll they'll go back and spend the night in the cell. I mean, that's what it feels like in the Middle East. And that's a miscalculation on our part.
Yeah. I mean, you can make a micro example of that. Is Dijuana the one of the most violent cities in the world currently? It was pacified during, you know, some of the time that it was active and the numbers went all the way down. It seems to be on that world's most dangerous list. Public was very like, yeah, we don't want any more cartel music being played live. We're sick of it, you know? Thank you for the military.
Thank you to the police for bringing peace to the city. And everybody forgot about it. And we're back to having these big, you know, cartel bands playing, playing and some of the places down there. And narco culture is now narco culture is being embraced by most of the youth. And Netflix has something to do with it, not narcos. Mexico has something to do with it. Glorifying, glorifying some of that culture has something to do with it.
But I think you're going to find that's going to happen in New York City. Well, we had a lot of crime that we cleaned it all up. Then we decided we hated stop and frisk and now it's going to come back. Yeah. Yeah, it's cyclical. Cyclical. All right.
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Dave Damasak here, Adam Corolla over there. A story in the week, two, three ish for these NFL teams now practicing.
And one thing that stands out, along with all of the other massive changes is the with training camp this year, the how much should we be hitting question kind of thing because they're kind of slow roll, then there's no.
No check just locked up, I got a story that I was planning on telling until I check on UN seizes his technology, not that it's him, it's an Internet thing. That's just stop for a second.
We were talking on the last show about the now when you win Lahmar, you bring the car and you wrap it in clear and a clear park it in the Porsche museum. You don't wipe it down. Scheck was telling me he rather have a helmet for Mean Joe Green with some stick marks on it than a new helmet. And I agree. And when I was when I played my I was just looking at it at the other shop. Oh, the Internet went down on our end, so it's not a Scheck's, but I can keep going.
I was looking I was at my other shop organising some stuff, putting some stuff away, blah, blah, blah. And I came across my old game jersey from North Hollywood High and it has the date written on it. It also has the date that Robert and Lenny, the two guys who died in a car crash, the Pinto explosion that caught on fire a couple of days earlier. And it has the score, Monroe High and beat us fourteen to seven.
And it's still got all the dirt and grass stains and everything on it. I never washed it. I always knew it would be a bad I knew I was never going to wear it again. So I was like, why should I, why should I wash it? So I just left my last game worn jersey from North Hollywood High, which was are white away Jersey. I just left it with the stains in the on the mark on it and I'm glad I did.
And like I said, it's only that way one time now my car, my Porsche, that one it's class in Lamar. That car went from Hawaiian Tropic to Apple Computers to like red roofing or something. It's switch liveries probably six, six times in its in its career. And then. You start getting into this world of well. What would you guys do? I'll I'll put it to Gary. I already made my move. But then you get into this world, which is I bought a Paul Newman race car that was an Oldsmobile Cutlass with Pepsi as the sponsor on it when Paul raced it back in the day.
Then when I got it, it had a Camaro body on it because Paul owned the car and somebody said to him, Yeah, you don't want to Oldsmobile Cutlass body on there with Pepsi who's not sponsoring the car anymore. You should put a cool Camaro body on it. So they put a cool Camaro body on it. And then Paul just ran it in advance generically. It had no sponsorship. It was red, white and blue, but it didn't have any corporate sponsorship on it.
And then he drove it for a while as a Camaro. And then when I got it, I shaved the Camaro body, but I put it back to an Oldsmobile, how it would have raced in its end period, but I didn't think about it every once in a while.
And I go, maybe I should have left the Camaro body on it, because that was how Paul drove it as he owned it personally, but not as he drove it during the season. Gary, thoughts?
I think that you were right to put it back to the old snowmobile. I think that's that's cool in the way that you did it. But I don't you know, maybe you can educate me here. I don't see why you can't change the liveries over the course of the time you own the cars the way they did back in the day. I'd love to see that Hawaiian Tropic Port nine thirty five in the Apple livery for a year or two, you know.
Do you see how it is?
Yeah, true. The problem is that's fine. The problem is, is the body went from a nine thirty five to a nine thirty five k three. So it's the the body needs to change to it's doable but the bigger and bigger than, than vinyl, you know, vinyl applicators, it's, it's the whole body. It's got to come off. It's not that big a deal because there's just kind of front clip, reel clip whatever. But it's a little more and.
You just in the app you need to do is just build an Apple replica car to have next to it. That's what yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah. And I'm I'm working on that. And actually, an Apple replica, 935, just sold for like two hundred and fifty grand. Just a pure kit car. Wow. I don't mean kit car but I mean pure ground up replica car, not a 935 with history or not even a 935 just because it have a similar power plant.
You know, the thing about Porsche is, yeah, this had a turbo Porsche engine on it. It was like kind of a modern Porsche engine on it. But you could find any different configuration of Porsche powerplants, carburetor turbo charged. I don't think there's such a thing as a supercharged rear engine, air cooled Porsche, but you wouldn't really see it. So you could do a kind of replica car and power it just about any way you wanted to power.
And I'm going to build a couple super cars that way. I've always sort of had it in my mind to to do it. Chachkas is trying to power back on here, but oh, there he is. Sheck, you sound off when you can when you can hear me.
There he is. Right there he is. So we left off.
I was just throwing you just three. Oh I don't know where I cut off. I was just asking you about if you think hitting is important.
Oh, hitting. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. So at the beginning of your career, you know, playing Pop Warner football hitting is such an unnatural thing, you know, and you have to really coach kids to hit and not to kind of turn you want to kind of turn away as your is your hitting. And so they would do all these insane drills, just, you know, bull in the ring. And and I just remember one very specifically, which was just this kind of 90 degree drill, which is.
Our coaches would go to the sideline and, you know, the sideline would run north and south and then east and west would be the lines running across the field, you know, and they just line half the team up 10 yards back from where the sideline met, the line that was going across the field, the yard marker line and the other half the team just be 10 yards back. And there was just the intersection. And you just they just run it like there were testing side impact on a car, you know what I mean?
Like they're just running and it's run a barrel of weight into the side to see how it affected the driver side or whatever. And they just collide. And the deal was. If you backed off or turned or slowed up or tried to dodge the guy, you were doing laps. That's how they work that. So they just ran nine year olds into each other.
That's essentially how they did say, shaming the lack of physicality out of you, basically. Right. And they just and the whole team would just watch, you know, I mean, if you did a move where you did a little fancy footwork, right. For you got to the guy or turned or stop, they just had to run a lap. So they beat that out of you early. And I remember when I got to high school, there were a couple guys who were athletic guys, but clearly didn't really play any Pop Warner.
And they were having difficulty with squaring up and hitting somebody. They they had all those tendencies. Now, once you get to the pros, you've done such and such an ample amount of hitting other guys. You don't really need that technique. I you know, it may sound like I'm flying in my own argument here, but it's all technique. It's all strategy. At that point, when the game starts, there'll be plenty of hitting to do.
I don't I don't know that those guys need to practice hitting. I'm inclined to agree with that. Yeah. That at some point in your career that but that rings true that guys who are super fast don't necessarily translate to being football players. I guess it is the difference of like I know all the answers I'm watching Jeopardy from the comfort of my couch. I know all the answers. But when you're when you add in the layer of the white hot lights, that makes it harder, like, yeah, I can run super fast, I can outrun anybody.
Yeah. How about if somebody is trying to push you while you're doing it and then that changes things. Ron Brown couldn't do it for the Rams. Renaldo Nehemiah couldn't really make it for the forty Niners. More guys fail. Maybe that's why Usain Bolt couldn't do it. I a lot of football guys, a lot of NFL guys have told me that because I always like to get very upset when you claim you could do it. I always say, like, if you gave me the best offense in the NFL and put me under center, I could get I could drive that team to a field goal at least.
And they say if if you ever got hit once by a football player, you would either kill you or break your will to ever do it again. I question that I wouldn't want to get hit by Mike Tyson in his prime. I wish I'd be all right if, you know, Von Miller hit me from behind once, I'd survive that and then I'd get up and I, you know, my shot, my helmet would be sideways, but then I pull it straight and I'd rally the team earning the respect of my teammates and then leading them to that aforementioned field goal.
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