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So let's see, we just landed on Mars a few weeks back. Got that out. Have Mars person.


Who else is in the space game nationally beside SpaceX and NASA's there? Are there other entities that we're not aware of?


There are other companies that do things like launch rockets, like there's a company that is owned by Boeing and Lockheed called United Launch Alliance. And they've been the company that's been most disrupted by SpaceX. And but but no one is trying to do what SpaceX is trying to do, you know, send humans to Mars, that that's seen as something that only governments can do and no governments ever come close to doing it.


Well, is it? Tell me. It's not a great analogy, but there's something to it.


It used to be that if you wanted to broadcast, you had to get a license from the FCC or you had to have an antenna or you had to be on a network sitcom, you had to be on a network. And now, as we've seen everyone just launching their own satellite, pardon the pun, stations on YouTube and podcasts and, you know, the list goes on and on and who knows what's next is that seem like back in the day there was just kind of the big three networks, which just NASA and international this and international that.


And now the computers opened it up to not everyone, but at least entrepreneurship. Yeah, for sure.


I mean, when Elon Musk started SpaceX, his first goal was to bring down the cost of launch so that you could get more things and people into space. And over the last 20 years, he's really succeeded in that. There are still rules like there's still an FCC for space. It's called the FAA, and you've got to get a launch license to go. SpaceX actually got in some trouble about six weeks ago when they launched without an FAA license.


But that that was a little bit of a brouhaha between Elon and the government agency. But it's since been smoothed over.


Is Elon kind of taking the position of you can't control me or what I do in space? I mean, and then why did the government sort of smooth it over or get over it? Do they do they see him as an asset or a competition?


He's both. He's absolutely both. I mean, SpaceX would not be here today if NASA hadn't stepped in two times, about 12 and 15 years ago with some key contracts. They saved him. But he at the same time really invigorates NASA right now. The only way NASA astronauts can get to the International Space Station is on launch rockets. And, you know, several years ago, they gave contracts to two companies. They gave it to the upstart SpaceX and they gave it to Boeing, which the blue chip company.


Right. Everyone sort of Boeing. They build aircraft back then. They they had a better reputation in aviation. And I guess they do today. You know, they gave Boeing 50 percent more money, money. And now here we are in twenty twenty one in space is about to fly their third crewed mission into space. And Boeing hasn't even gotten off the ground yet. The whole Space Force thing you heard Trump talking about are all sort of having a laugh about it a couple of years ago, it still exists.


We're in a new administration. It's still there.


Yeah. So what about that and how necessary is that? And like, what is that going to be? It seems like. In the future, maybe a little less reliance on the Marines and a little maybe more on spazzed force, but tell us kind of the nuts and bolts or what you know of that.


Yeah. So basically the Air Force for the last 50 years has had responsibility for protecting U.S. satellites assets in space. And that includes both making sure they don't crash into one another, making sure the rockets go up, don't hit satellites, and making sure that foreign governments don't screw around with our assets in space. Those activities have now been taken out of the Air Force and put into this new organization called the Space Force. So it's mostly been a rebranding, but it does open up the possibility in the future for more activities in space that the military has never put people into space before.


You know, that could change in the next 15 or 20 years.


Gina, you were talking about the military, but I'm wondering, you know, in terms of space tourism, I have a story today. I was looking at a story from Orbital Assembly Corporation. They're designing this what they want to be the first low Earth Orbit Hotel. And it's like, you know, it's that big circular thing that's supposed to be similar to the gravity found on the surface of the moon. And it's only supposed to be a few years away.


They said they would start to teach it. Yeah, constructing it in twenty, twenty five. It could open as early as twenty twenty seven. Do you have any intel or insight about this? Yeah.


First of all, you know, in the space industry there's a lot of hype. And this, this space station is pure fantasy. They don't have the funding for that. I mean, it looks awesome. And that is actually that is a SpaceX starship docked with that orbital facility. And you'd love to see something like that. The unique thing about that is that it spins. And so you actually have some gravity. Would love to see that. But but that is not going to happen in twenty twenty seven, which is their projected date and probably not any time soon after that.


However, you know what SpaceX has done in terms of bringing down the cost of launch and if they get Starship to work, you're talking about taking up dozens of people, not two or three or four, so that they're really solving the first step.


And if they can bring down that cost, then you could start to see more facilities like this.


But right now, I'm afraid, and it looks like those are all like little dream chaser vehicles attached to each of those those rooms. I mean, that that's like a hundred billion dollar facility. So they're not going to build that this decade, I'm afraid.


Yeah. I'll tell you, there's a problem. The problem is the computer renderings and simulations like they go, oh, well, here's what we're going to do. And then they show you this amazing computer simulation of, well, the uber lands on the roof of the Chrysler Building.


And then everyone just gets on to the electric Uber and it's a sky over and it drops you off at the airport, not using fossil fuels. And you're like, oh, that looks really cool. Yeah, because back in the day I'd be a stupid model and some guy would have to hold it and point at it with a stick and you go, wow, that's never going to happen.


But now with the sort of computer renderings and the animations you go look at that, it looks pretty good.


I could see us get involved.


But it's I guess you're still no closer to the actual thing than you were when it was a bunch of Tinkertoys put together and some guy in a lab coat was holding it above his head.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say two things of that. First of all, you're absolutely right. Yes.


And Grant, it's great. It's been great having you so so people make promises all the time.


You know, Richard Branson is building a spaceship system with Virgin Galactic. You know, he first said humans were going to go into space on that in twenty seven. Right. And now we're talking about paying customers maybe next year.


So, like, you know, you've got to take everything with a huge grain of salt. And one of the reasons there's so much admiration for SpaceX and whatever you think about Elon Musk in space, he has absolutely delivered over the last decade. They've built the world's best rocket. They built the world's biggest rocket with the falcon heavy. They put humans into space. They've landed rockets on boats with such absolutely unprecedented out in the Atlantic Ocean. And they're now the world's largest operator of satellites.


I mean, it's they have delivered and they're one of the few aerospace companies that has delivered. And so that's why you see all this attention on them.


Does he have other things he wants to explore? I mean, obviously, there's Tesla and obviously hear about the boring company. The tunneling, you know, is going to do that thing, the pull of the past. I don't know if that's still on after he's after we forced him out of California, but.


And I know he's probably got his fingers in a million pies, but is there another area of passion for him that we may not be aware of, something in the medical field or some other field?


Yeah, I mean, clearly, Space X and Tesla is two main passions. But in the last several years, he's gotten really interested in A.I. He's concerned that A.I. is an existential threat to humanity. And he started this company called NewLink to basically study brain machine interfaces. So like he he wants our brains to be able to talk directly to machines. And he's claimed to make some breakthroughs in that area. And he's hired a bunch of PhDs and experts in brains to figure that I don't really understand it that much.


But he is concerned that if we don't get A.I. right, it'll be like the Matrix and the machines will take over from there to the judgment.


So and, you know, the weird part about being alive right now, you cannot really say, oh, poppycock, please, you can't say that to anything anymore because so much has happened so fast and so many innovations and so much some, you know, a lot of good and a lot of bad. But just the notion of saying that's impossible or that's never going to happen. I everything is now on the table. I think that's kind of kind of where we're at as a society.


And I guess what he's thinking is, is that at some point it'll it'll get past the point of no return, right? Yeah.


I mean, you know, he has with Space X from the very beginning, he has been told what he's trying to do is impossible. No company ever built a liquid fueled rocket that goes into orbit, private company before SpaceX. And he launched them from a tropical island in the Central Pacific Ocean. I mean it just imagine, you know, you've got super chilled liquid oxygen, which is hundreds of degrees below freezing, and you've got to ship that across the Pacific to to your launch site without boiling off.


You know, he's been told he couldn't launch a bigger rocket. He's been told he couldn't talk to the space station. He's been told he couldn't reuse rockets and now he's being told he can't go to Mars. I mean, he's probably going to get there because everything else he's been told he couldn't do is that he's done it.


See a guy like that, then Brian's got a question to it strikes me that a guy like that can't live in California because guys like that are always in a hurry. They want to do stuff fast and then want to, like, get it done. And they can't figure out why the bureaucracy in the government is just like just grinding the gears the whole time, like, hey, hold on, slow your roll. You got to apply for a permit first and then we have to put it through a review board.


It just strikes me that most the guys of his ilk are in this constant hurry. Does this or they want results like this. He is he that kind of guy? Oh, yeah.


He's he's absolutely demanding. And he if there's a barrier, he'll run through it or jump over it or get around it or try to knock it down. And that's that's why he ruffles feathers. And and you're right man, he is moving to Texas because he's sick and tired of the regulations in California. I think probably the covid-19 was the last straw. You know, he's now in a state today where the governor said, take off your mask. You know, we're we're done with the mandate.


Everything's open next week. And he's very much of that mindset like government. Get out of my way. Let businesses do what? Do what they can. So, yeah. And that's and that's what the thing with the FAA, right. They licensed private space launches in this country to make sure that it's safe for surrounding areas so that the rocket won't go astray and hit a populated area. And he got fed up with sort of their foot dragging on on a launch, like I said, a couple of months ago, and went ahead and launched.


And the FAA. Got justifiably upset about that, and so that sort of launched an investigation, but as I say, it's sort of been cleared up since then.


Brian, I'm curious if for the book you interviewed any current employees, space exploration, you either did or you tried. But what I know is basically the employees are everyone is very conscious of the image. Do you have trouble getting access? Did you have any difficulties or was a pretty wide open so early on?


I went to Elon, who was familiar with my work in reporting. And while he has disdain, I think would be the polite word for it for most journalists. He he he he respects my work to some extent. And so I said I said, I think it's time to tell the story of a Falcon one rocket, because that's where the DNA of this company was was set in stone. And he was like, yeah, he's like, let's do it.


And so at that point, he said, come on to the factory, talk to whoever you want. And so I interviewed him at length and a lot of time sitting in on some meetings, talk to current employees, former employees and basically everyone I wanted to talk to, I got to. So it's pretty complete story.


What is going on with selfishly asking? Because I'm still in L.A. with that tunnel that going through the support of the past and which I never knew.


Was it actually something that they started on? It's more of the artist's rendering problem. Now, once again, like this is what it's going to look like, but I'm never sure if that's what it is yet, you know, or else you ever, ever look on those real estate websites and they've got some really cool, bitchen modern house. And it's like, wow, that house is cheap. It's like that's because it's not built yet. They're selling.


You can do they're the land. And you could do that at eight hundred like that space hotel.


Yeah, right. Space shuttle.


Hey, real quick, I just Googled it and mass transit mag dotcom, which I can't believe we don't subscribe to, has an article from six hours ago about.




The headline is First Tunneling Machines Reaches Future L.A. Metro Wilshire, La Cienega Subway Station. This is the first of two teebs that will reach this last station on section one of the L.A. Metro D line extension project. So here's a picture of this giant machine, you know, from Ocean's Eleven.


Don Cheadle stole. That's right. It's down there, apparently. Yeah. I don't know if that's Elance thing or but I'm I'm I'm always so curious about how. And by the way, I'm so thankful for the Elon Musk of the world. I believe these guys are the guys who solve many of these vexing problems, like we want clean energy and we want to get rid of whooping cough. And we want we want people that are missing a limb to be able to communicate with their new prosthetic limb and blah, blah, blah.


I love it when you give it to these guys. I just love the private sector because I believe the government. Waste a lot of money and then eventually gets around to something, but it's always costs too much and takes too long. I, I love I love guys like this. But I'm also curious, Elon is now talking about a Florida sorry, talking to Florida about building a tunnel there for 30 million bucks. Yeah. So.


Yeah. And it's a bargain. And the Miami mayor's going to Vegas mid-March. Check out the tunnels he built there just to see how he does it. And it looks like that's what they're going to do, is build one in Florida.


We always talk about Elon Musk and Eric. You didn't write a burger, Eric. You didn't write a burger. Eric Burger, you didn't write a book about someone other than Elon Musk.


But are there a bunch of other Elon Musk floating around out there that aren't that don't have a good publicist?


There's something like, well, so so you you were talking in regard to that question. You were speaking earlier about sort of how he gets stuff done. I think that's that's that's right on point. I mean, you know, I can't speak for you, but look me, when I look around, I see a problem. I see. Oh, that's a shame. It's like, oh, somebody should do something about that. Yeah.


When Elon Musk of the world see a problem, like, man, we're really putting a lot of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and it would be much better if we were driving electric cars, creates a company to build electric cars or he looks around and says, well, NASA should be going to Mars by now. Why don't we go to Mars? I better start a rocket company. Like, that's how he thinks. Right. And there aren't that many of those people in the world.


And the thing about him is that he now has a track record, right? I mean, he did banking, he did electric cars and he's done rockets and he's been successful at all three. So there are people who think like him, but there are very few sort of who have the determination, intelligence and who, frankly, when you need to be an asshole, can be an asshole to get get stuff done. So he's he's very aware.


I put him on par with, like a Jeff Baseman's.


I would vote for a politician who basically said I don't have any answers to anything, but I do have Elon Musk's home number. And look, we can fucking sit here and argue over wind versus solar versus fracking versus nuclear versus we can argue over all of it. I'm just going to ask Elon what's what would be the best plan? And he'll put together a little blue chip committee and then he'll get back to me in six weeks and then we'll just do that.


So if he's not even I'm not even sure Elon will put together a blue chip committee. You might do some Googling or read a book and get back to you like thirty minutes later and say, this is what we got to do.


Yeah, they always talk.


And Dr. Drew, I guess, is always talking about, I think, the carbon scrubbers as far as like instead of worry so much about what we're putting into the atmosphere, collect it and scrub it and clean it and and put it put it back sort of, I guess kind of like a catalytic converter. You know, if you think about what was coming out of an exhaust pipe, think about when you're a kid and your dad would fire up the car in the garage, your eyes would start watering and stuff smell with the neighbor firing up the car.


Right now, you can go. One of the weirdest things is being in like underground parking structures, standing next to the valet. And there's just a Honda Accord. It's been running for ten minutes. You're standing by the tailpipe like nothing. It's still internal combustion. It's still gasoline. It's somebody just invented a few things. But one of them is a catalytic converter. And we've now scrubbed it essentially. I know he's talking about doing, doing, scrubbing.


I don't hear anyone else talking about it or any of the politicians talking about it.


Well, I think politicians, the you know, they they want to argue about whether climate change is real or not. And Ellen's attitude is like there's lots of different ways you can attack the problem. And you're right, you could scrub CO2 from the atmosphere. You could you could plant trees. And his solution was to attack at the source like a major chunk of this country's carbon dioxide pollution is coming from automobiles. So if we make automobiles that don't pollute, you know, we've addressed the problem and we can make some.


By the way, people didn't like electric cars before he came along because they were slow and didn't have any acceleration. It's like we're going to make some bitchin electric cars if people are going to want to buy them. And so, you know, he's largely succeeded at that.


I still think the new roadster he's got coming out, the new super car, not I mean, we've turned this into an Elon fluff fest, but yeah, know, we could we could talk about Pop Tarts or something like that.


I, I think I think that supercar is building, I think it claims goes over two hundred miles an hour, but I've not seen that yet. That may be a little hyperbole, but I don't know. Do you know anything about the. New roads there. That's the guy. Well, it's become one. All right.


The book is called Lift Off Elon Musk and the desperate early days that launched SpaceX. I would say whether you're interested in space or not, just an interesting story about a crazy startup company.


It's available now on Amazon. And you can see the website. Is it a R. S? Technica, that ARS Technica. Yeah, they get that right. Yeah, you bet.


Eric Berger, thanks for joining us, my friend. It's been my pleasure. Super, super awesome.


And when we come out, the new book. Are you got an update for us? We'll do it. We'll do it. We'll do it again. Awesome.


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All right, take a quick break. Come right back with the news right after this. The great news with Genographic breaking five, we are crying protest parties give me news machine all dressed up in sogginess Joe Biden. Now, big news with Gina, Gina. The news with Genographic, let's start with some piping hot breaking news that came in during the show, I think that we need to mark the twined.


We need to put this on the calendar.


Joy Behar and Adam Carolla are in 100 percent lock step agreement.


I just got a notification on my phone saying that she is not happy that six Dr. Seuss books will no longer be published due to their stereotypical portrayals of people.


She did it in an impassioned monologue on The View Tuesday morning. Baker said that removing the books from circulation denies children a teachable moment as eliminating controversial material prevents any discussion about why it's offensive. She says it's an absolute outrage to remove books. Period. Well.


You know, I make fun of Slippery Slope Guy, but when this kind of cancel stuff started some years ago, we did a kind of slippery slope of like, oh, book burnings.


Next thing you know, they'll be book burnings. Never do that.


But you turn on the news and they're canceling out X amount of Dr. Seuss books. And Amazon is refusing to sell certain books that there's one about transgender that they've canceled out or they've pulled off their platform. I think there's another one about I think Clarence Thomas, like now there's no more physical book barrooms. But symbolically, what we're talking about, this sort of Orwellian future or going back into, you know, Germany in the thirties or whatever, whatever time there was book burnings going on that we kind of agreed was symbolically a very bad sign for any society.


We're kind of literally getting to the book burning part of this process.


We were digitally yeah, we were at, you know, changed the name of the school from the old Confederate general and put a new name on there and that kind of stuff. And people were like, all right, all right, get that old Confederate general off of there. And there are things like, you know, they're like, oh, we don't think the Dukes of Hazzard should have the Confederate flag on the roof anymore like we want. That sounds reasonable, but we're now drifting.


We got we're going right into the book stuff now and now. It's getting a little symbolic because we're now getting to the ideas department. Yes.


Right now how far we've come, because in the modern era of like burning art, destroying art, it's been the it's been the arena of the ultra conservative right, like the people burning the Beatles albums, literary bonfires, because they said they were bigger than Jesus or because they didn't Taylor Swift have like a destroyed Taylor Swift album thing.


Go on.


And there was a Dixie Chicks version. Yeah.


So this is in the modern American sorry history Chicks version.


It's been it's been the sort of, you know, religious, religious driven thing. And now it's very secular.


And then you had to think about the folks who make their living, putting up letters on a marquee when Lady Antebellum and the Dixie Chicks are coming to town, you're going to lose a lot of cash because now we're just it.


Lady, yeah, lady a lady a and chicks.


And you get paid by the letter. I know that business well. I used to work on business for many years. Oh yeah.


Oh there's a flat rate now of course. No you couldn't, you couldn't do that. There's no way that Sly and the Family Stone costs the same as cars. Yeah.


When when Engelbert Humperdinck came to town. Big day.


That makes sense. I get it. Yeah. No I don't, I don't say Sly and the Family Stone and Styx are playing the same night. Yeah.


That would be a different crowd but yeah. And let's not forget the Dixie stampede at Dollywood.


That is not just the stampede though. I do think the north and south are still fighting while you eat your, you know, fried chicken and cheer on your countrymen. The bands, the band Styx is with a Y, right?


It is like the River Styx. I see why X is it based on something?


Because I just sticks. Is it based on the River Styx?


It has to be. I don't know.


I'm from North Hollywood. We just had the river, the cookie argument over the cookie thing all over again. I don't even know where the river is. The River Styx grabbed it from being out in the sticks.


Does that have anything to do with it? Now, where's the river? I don't know where the River Styx is in between, is it?


You can get away with this, but it's the river that they took you across to get to the afterlife in Greek mythology. Oh, that's the pathway to Hades.


Oh, go ahead, please. That's bad. Yes. Styx is a and a river that forms the boundary between Earth and the underworld.


There you go, Brian. First I'm hearing of it. I don't know. And I will not have you go.


You have friends and you read a lot of books. I know growing up I didn't have Dr. Seuss have any religion whatsoever, but many friends. I mean. All right. Well, now, you know, this is the make the show go. Mm hmm. Sorry, I'm still reading.


It says in order to cross the River Styx and reach Hades, a dead person must pay a fee to the fairies.


That's why they would put pennies over your eyes. And, you know, that's what the customer comes from.


So you could pay the ferryman who was like a skeleton, Dawson, who like up or something.


Yeah, it's essentially like a gatekeeper thing. I mean, Adam, you we talked two weeks ago about you hated movies like Clash of the Titans. Yeah. Even the early one. There's the scene where they got across the River Styx and pay the ferryman. I think I decided that I hated it before I saw it right? So I didn't see it, which I like to do with movies and culture. That's, by the way.


So I'm very different than consistent.


Yeah, this is very different than the Rainbow Bridge for your animals. Yeah. I don't like the river system. Yeah.


And I know that as as was mentioned a few minutes ago, Texas Governor Greg Abbott will lift the state's mask mandate and announce businesses can be completely reopened at full capacity. That'll be coming up in about a week. Now, there is a little bit of a little bit of a caveat that, of course, isn't as fun to report. So it's not in any of the headlines. But he's basically saying the state has lifted it. But each jurisdiction is going to have to, you know, do what's right for them.


But he said that covid has not suddenly disappeared, but the state mandates are no longer needed. The repealed rules include doing away with limits on the number of diners. Are customers allowed indoors. So it's kind of back to normal if your region allows it. Abbott said his new executive order would rescind most of his prior covid-19 executive orders and that all businesses would be allowed to reopen one hundred percent effective March 10th.


Well, it kind of look as someone who doesn't live in that area. I mean, first off, we just got back from Oklahoma City. The club was full of the restaurants are full. I mean, they're ostensibly doing it. People are wearing. Most people wear masks, but. Don't we wouldn't we like to kind of do a little canary in the coal mine, like, go, all right, you've left it and we'll check back with you in a week to 10 days and see how this is this is treating you.


And what I would say is you don't have to use it as a template, but if Texas just goes full frontal two weeks from now, if nothing is happening, can we say, as Los Angeles knows and Californians, hey, man, they they dropped it and they seem to be doing OK. Can we ease some of our things now? It would have been nice if Disneyland had got a shot to do what they're doing in Disney World. Are you guys amazed that Disneyland is still closed?


Just mentioned that two days ago. Well, it's it's being used as a vaccination site, which is so Orwellian, man.


But they're physically on the Matterhorn, which is made for almost 10 people stabbed in the ear, stabbed to death.


I thought that I thought out maybe it's a small world, maybe.


But the teacups, unmitigated disaster.


Magic Mountain, by the way. I think they I got to look it up, but I think they're opening up some sort of a walking tour where you can, like, walk through the park and eat and people will be I'm sure they will break down the gates just to get in. There is going to be a part. Yes. Yeah.


Well, all right. So let's see how Texas fares.


I hope they use use canary in the coal mine is an example that was used so human life wouldn't be risk to see what happened, like the canary would die so that we can get everyone out of here.


Yes, well, we kind of. Yeah, I do agree with you on principle. Yes. Fly in the ointment. Yeah. No, we want to I don't I don't suspect. Well, so here's the thing. I think the therapeutics are much better now. I think they understand how to deal with it and who to put in the hospital and who not to put in the hospital, what to do with them before they make that decision, where, of course, we're all like, go to the hospital, lay on your back and get put a ventilator on.


And of course, we're wrong about everything.


It was don't go to the hospital anyway. So I'm for anything.


I'm assuming I'm assuming there's not going to be a lot of deaths just because of the therapeutics now and our understanding of how it works and treatments. But I want to I am curious about the spread and infections and how how that is affected, how how and or is there some form of herd immunity. And it's funny, the herd immunity thing is kind of right up there with the effectiveness of the vaccines. When the vaccines came out, there were like to manage expectations like 70 percent, maybe on a good day, 70 percent, and and then herd immunity.


They had like a 90 percent or above 70 percent or something high. I think we can get I think the vaccines are definitely more effective than 70 percent. Now they're saying like ninety nine, ninety five ninety whatever percent.


Right. And there was a new one. Sorry, who wasn't Johnson and Johnson. So a new one today. No, I'll think of it.


It's it was from this morning. Yeah. Right. I think it is Mark. Yeah.


And then talk I'll eventually get to it. Every company I worked as a lobbyist for Big Pharma for several years on a local level.


But then that I would love your take on this, because the other headline today is Biden now says the U.S. will have enough vaccine for every adult by the end of May.


I mean, there might be enough, but how would the hell are we going to distribute it?


I will say I don't know what your guy's experiences, I imagine, is not the same just from being I know that my group, the preexisting conditions, is is in L.A. County, set to be eligible in March 15th. So I'm doing I'm doing like a hurricane work. I'm going to the website. I'm just saying I'm 65 years old just so I can see how to sign up for an appointment, just so I know what I'm doing when I do it.


It is impossible to find an open appointment is everything is. Oh, I'm sorry. This Rite Aid is not accepting. This is all for those knows there.


It is borderline impossible.


I have spent hours researching this and it's bound to be a cluster fuck.


Well, that's why that's why I keep saying to everyone else, I am counting on all of you because I'm behind the entire homeless population of Los Angeles, which is huge, the entire prison population and children and people who, you know, like the little ones who aren't really going to get sick. I'm behind everybody. And so are you, Adam. So I'm counting on everybody else.


Well, speaking of the canary in the coal mine, you know, two years ago I said to Matt, the porcelain punish, find a clear, sign me up so I can get my license. It's renewed out here in Los Angeles, and he was online for three days, and it's like you can't you have to have to you have to go to the other end of the state.


And I'm like, how is it during the computer age that we don't have you have a computer, the DMV has a computer. Why don't we just sign up and renew it online or it's like they're not I can't get through. They're not accepting.


And so they still taking checks. They're with us all. They would say.


I mean, yeah, I showed up with a credit card because I live in two thousand at the time and 2020 and they're like, we don't take credit cards, but we have a pilot program where we where we're thinking about it's like where we have the Dillane lowering.


We have the old Macey's machine that way. Yeah. So so here's my thing. If you live in a city that can't get its shit together with a DMV. Good luck with a vaccine that it's not they don't exist in vacuums or bubbles in my world. It's just it's a group of people. It's like bureaucrats that have a large populace and they have to figure out how to work with that large population, either giving them the global transit I.D. or renewing their Dodge pickup truck or getting a needle in an arm.


Like it's just basically you've got a bunch of people live in a city. They have X amount of dollars and they go, how are we going to approach this problem and how do we fix it? And if you can't sort out the DMV, then I would bet you that if you found cities, you could find a direct correlation between their DMV running for shit and getting vaccines out. I don't think there's any place that have knocked it out of the ballpark with the vaccines and their DMV are hellholes.


I'll bet it's a straight line. I bet. I bet the I bet the Tel Aviv D.M., which I bet Department of Motor Vehicles in Tel Aviv is fucking Jerusalem is is awesome. And and they're fully there, fully vaccinated over there.


Like, yes.


It's funny you mention offhandedly, you mention like if you want to get anything, you know, DMV or whatever new license go to the ends of the state.


I on Friday I awoke to the best man for my wedding, texted me. He's like, hey, my wife's friend is a nurse out in Yucaipa. He's got some extra they have extra doses at the end of the day. So here's her number.


And as appreciative as I was, I had it out my a moment in bedroom like this is what it's come to. This is what I may drive to Yucaipa for. I'll try to explain where you fucking Yucaipa is. Goddamn nowhere.


Can't be done. Yeah. Oh, God. This is what it's come to. This is where we are now. I'm considering driving to the end of the state to get a vaccine.


Yeah, well, I went to the DMV in Monterrey just because that was the only one that I could find. I mean, I was going to be in Monterrey and the L.A. ones are unusable, are they? Or there's no information to be accessible and accessible. They they're on in this day and age of everyone at the computer. Like, you can't get the info off the website. You can't sign up or you can't.


No, it doesn't give you options. It makes you choose and then and then revels in telling you it's not open. Right.


So I don't know what if Elon Musk would would move to Los Angeles and fix a DMV? Would you go for that? Like, here's my all things hype, right? I just feel like all the city council people are just the most, like, feckless, sort of self entitled, like ineffective, bloated, like just we need to figure out a new system or something because it just doesn't work. And I don't feel like, you know, they're always kind of going, we need more resources.


I don't know. I feel like you guys squander tons of money and we still have a bad result. This is essentially cafeteria food. You guys get plenty of money and the food is still slop. All right.


Well, and and I just to just to get the headline in, because it's too good, I'm sure you guys have seen in the last few days the headline California Teachers Union president who led school closures, a charge seen dropping daughter off at in-person preschool. Yes.


So it just it just feeds the story that we can't get our heads out of our asses.


Yeah, it'd be nice, but I don't I mean, we're going to have California needs like an hourly erme type to resurrect from the dead and just show up and just go, I'm fucking not gonna come back.


This is an unmitigated fucking disaster. The more votes we take and the more money you get and the bigger and more bloated their bureaucracy gets, the worse everything turns out like we got to start going lean and mean.


We've got to finish your major malfunction fast. Not. That's our little talk, talking to California Private Pyle. We have we have one magnificent skill there. He's a great sniper, but he was a fat and lazy and stupid and could stop any jelly donuts.


Right. So what's our scale? We have good weather, Malabo. Yeah, well, we have to be so beautiful, our horizons.


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All right, let's do one or two more Genographic.


All right. Well, just to keep up with the accusers for Governor Cuomo, a third woman has come forward accusing him of inappropriate behavior, this time at a wedding when he allegedly introduced himself and then asked to kiss her. We have a picture from that moment, by the way. So he's number three.


So just real quick to get to this part.


This is where is she?


I have a whole list here at a wedding. I think you're at a wedding.


And he gave some sort of a toast and he's going around glad handing. And, you know, she says, you know, thanks for, you know, the nice thing you said about my friend, he apparently and allegedly puts his hand around her back and then she kind of like moves away. He calls her aggressive and then cuts her head in his hands and asks to kiss her. He has you know, this is not the first time we've heard something like this.


And she wasn't down. We've also heard another woman was invited to play strip poker and he tried to plant one on her as well.


And there is another one. But de Blasio has thoughts on this as well. Mayor de Blasio says if someone purposely tried to use their power to force a woman to have sex with them, of course, that's someone who should no longer be in public service, essentially saying if this all fleshes out, you need to step up, step down.


But another one, the problem always is when, you know, you get all this footage of Cuomo explaining, you know, zero tolerance for this kind of behavior and and, you know, women should all be believed and stuff. And so then there's this rich history of you saying that. And now there's this. This is why when somebody, you know, 18 months before your own scandal breaks out, you know, when someone goes, do you believe all women should should be heard?


Oh, sure.


And you down with the Metoo movement. Oh, no. You know, hey, whatever floats your boat and is, then they will trot out all the footage of you being sanctimonious about about the movement.


And that's just half his problem. We still have underreported covid numbers that he has to deal with as well. Yeah, it's it's funny.


The one my my thing with him is like also it's probably why you should tamp it down when people are trying to build you up too fast because we give you an Emmy.


So in love with this guy six and a half months ago and it didn't seem like it was merit. Much of it was based on anything. And now it's all like coming undone.


And then the guy you have to really feel sorry for, his brother, Chris Cuomo, who is like because now there's all the footage of him yakking it up and laughing it up on his show and now he can't report on it or they could report on it.


He's just reporting he had him on during covid and they reported on it.


But he was a good guy, but he had them every night.


I know. So his Chris Cuomo is saying, like, I'm a journalist and here's the rules. I can do all the reporting I want on my brother as long as everyone loves them. But now that he's in a shitstorm, I, of course, would be unethical for me to report on him. It's like that seems like a weird distinction to make from a journalistic standpoint.


That's why I was confused when we brought this up the other day and I said, what does Chris think? And everyone just kind of said, well, he can't. I thought, he can't.


He could he could say what everyone else says is taking the bullet and saying, we're not letting him do it. Right. Right. So, yeah. So he's probably in trouble, but he's sort of here's what we kind of figure it out.


You're either useful or you're not useful. He was useful for a while. He's not useful now. So he's he's gone. He'll go the road of Al Franken, you know, I mean or whomever on either side. When they need you, they need you. When they don't need you, then then you're gone. So he's he's going to be gone, right? Well, let's let's let's talk about the recall of the Emmy, because that's a pretty legitimate discussion to have now, right?


You're right. They talk about Bush's Heisman away for much less, right? That's right. The great Reggie Bush. I know Reggie Bush got a couple of fucking custom rims on a power wagon and they tell Harris lives in an apartment for free.


Yeah. Well, do you think it made him a better running back? I don't. I look, I would feel the same way, like when I remember watching the news like a billion years ago. And it's like this guy, he won the WBA welterweight world champ in the world, but he was stripped of his title after testing positive for marijuana. Like you think that really helped his performance in the ring.


How about for Vanessa Williams?


That's right. Taken away because of some penthouse photograph. Photo.


Tasteful photos of Gray and lady friend. That's right. So Cuomo received this Emmy, right.


Does he have to give it back or do they take it back?


And then, of course, then the problem is, is you could probably find it for when they were giving him the Emmy, they had every single blowhard celebrity doing an ass kiss a thon of Cuomo about what a great man he is and how he deserves this and how he's number one and everything like that. And these are the same people that are the tip of the spear for the Metoo movement. So now there's archived forever of them talking about what a great individual is.


It's just it's it's what happens when we go after everybody. It's just they'll eventually get the average.


There are you know, it's weird. Nobody's above anything anymore. As long as you're if if you're useful, we'll keep you, I think in most these situations when when we're done with it, we're done.


I mean, because a lot of this stuff, the certainly the the nursing home scandal that things 10 months old, that's an old scandal. We just we needed Cuomo for a while and now we don't we don't need him. And and the metoo stuff that's been floating around for a little while, too. But that's again now it's all coming out. And now he's gone because he he's not going you know, if it's your side. Back to Reggie Bush, Reggie Bush when he was carrying the rock for the great USC Trojans.


He had 11 guys or 10 guys on his side and him and then 11 guys on the other side trying to stop him, and that's kind of how politics works a lot of time now. He has half his offensive line, not blocking for him and trying to tackle him. So essentially, Cuomo has his own side coming after him. And that that that that ain't going to last.


At least they're at least they're consistent. That side, you know, they're happy to eat their own.


Yeah. Yeah. That's the way it works. Well, because this story is. Yeah, go ahead.


Also, his hair was getting a little too young for his face, just a little bit for me. That's the real reason.


That's the town got to clean house and he's starting to wrinkle up pretty good.


But the hair still in a good black sheen to it just a little bit. The thing that's kind of funny, too, is when you watch the news now during the whole greatest governor in the universe, covid deal there were showing these shots of him where he looked like a hero. Now they're doing this like kind of tight shots where you can see the wrinkles and these look and creepier. Yeah, he's looking they go get a shot where he looks a little more like this and a little less like that.


All right. One more Genographic.


All right. Well, just because this is something we usually bring up, you know, the day or two after and by tomorrow, frankly, I don't think we'll care. Barely anyone seemed to watch the Golden Globes on Sunday. Ratings for the awards show had an almost all time low, with an estimated six point nine million viewers. By comparison, last year's show had eighteen point thirty three million viewers. Wow.


Yeah, they weren't the only the only one it beat out. And I mean by a razor is two thousand eight. When the writers' strike forced the cancelation of the ceremony and reduced it to a press conference that was only just barely less than six million as opposed to six point nine million. This is a harbinger.


You remember this when the Oscars come around and their ratings for all time low. This is this is this will be a trend. It's funny. We talk about the Golden Globes as a predictor of the Oscars.


They're not really this will be a predictor of the Oscar viewing viewership. Yeah, absolutely.


Yeah. Now, last year wasn't a virtual show, was it? I don't know if no one else before, right?


Yeah, literally a couple of weeks. Because this is later.


Because the the Oscars last year were end of February, which means the Golden Globes must have been beginning of February, something like that, and say that that should have been a super spreader event with all those drunken celebrities kissing on each other and drinking and sweating, crying.


Also two years ago, I think was the cutoff when it was so much fun to be part of the union and get all these first run movies sent right to your house. And people are begging to borrow them. And it's a big deal. I have got nothing but DVDs, which I don't have a DVD player anymore, and everything is streaming. So why are they wasting their money on this?


The vast majority can be watched for free. What are they doing, a service or rented?


Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. I wonder if Hollywood I feel like Hollywood has kind of woke itself in a little bit of a corner. I feel like they've lost the mainstream of America because people look at them as kind of like elitist. I haven't heard of these films anymore. And that's the second thing is definitely true.


I can tell you for people I've talked to or talked to on the show and the Golden Globe nominations come out, you're like, I haven't heard of most of these movies, let alone seen them.


Right. And I think there's the thought that, oh, they're only doing this movie because it's a woman of color or something like that. And they're giving it and they seem I feel like they're localness they're over over the top. They've always been pretty woak and pretty progressive people kind of thought that was cute or they may have liked it or made it seem very Hollywood, but they've gotten so almost sort of militant and like the last few years that I think they've just painted themselves into some corner, like where they just not embracing enough of the way folks think in their average people, quote unquote, from Oklahoma City.


Your people. Yeah, my people like I think they're alienating a lot of people. I think there's a lot of people I like. Fuck that. Like, I'm not going to watch it or whatever.


And I don't think they're doing themselves a service. I think they should be a little more inclusive, open it up a little more like people, ironically, a little less inclusive and open it up. So I think their brand is hurt. And I think that is reflected in the Oscars and the Golden Globes, I think.


You're right, just as you said that I just had this weird hypothetical in my mind, and I would love for you guys to weigh in on it, what if what happened with Lala Land and Moonlight's specifically happened this year, but the other way around and they accidentally announced Moonlite Waters.


So that's funny you mentioned that, Jena, because when Adam Tyahnybok about them saying whether it's part and parcel or whether it's one chicken or the egg, I think the weakness is is either reflected or perceived in a lot of the best picture nominee are winners of the last few years, like even Parasite last year, which is a very good movie.


But I think it was so niche and so fringe and and a lot of people hadn't seen it and many people had heard of it. You know, before the Oscars, nominations were announced that I think people are like, oh, it only got only one because it was the same with Moonlite, which is Jena. We're reminded of it.


Same with there. There's many examples over the last few years.


I think it kind of stumbled onto something there. Jena, which is that Moonlite sorry.


What was the other film? While Al-Ansari was a lot more traditional, like Busby Berkeley. Big money. Yeah, enjoyable. I feel like that may have been that jumped the shark moment that they literally both were on the stage and we took it away from one and gave it to the other sort of very visually and graphically and symbolically. You could kind of mark that as the beginning of sort of the downward movement. Now, the audience had been shrinking, I think, before that maybe ratings had been shrinking before that.


But that was very symbolic, very symbolic. You couldn't have taken two movies that were more old guard and more new school. Right. Symbolically. And that moment was kind of the moment where you went, oh, this is this is what this is where we're heading now.


And I would just suggest a course correction. All right, let's bring it home. Jena Grant. You got it.


I'm Jena grad.


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