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Some of them I knew, some I didn't. Podcast Superman's not coming. It launches this Friday on Podcast's one. An Apple podcast as well, celebrates everyday people who realize that they have to rise up and join in the fight. So what do you mean by that when we know?


Well, let's let me just set the table with you. And you guys all saw the movie. I think you know who Aaron is.


I mean, I don't know that people know you won Miss Pacific Coast Beauty Pageant in nineteen eighty one and you grew up in Lawrence, Kansas, and your dad was a professional football player.


He was going to go pro. He was a big cueball player with Redskins, I think drafted him.


And your mom is a journalist? Yes. The table is set for both kind of many of the things you do.


And so how did for you you got in a car accident and met the attorney who represented you, and that's kind of your entree into this. Oh, how the movie came about, how you came about, how did I come about, you know, that's a great question that I've had to look back on my own life to figure out how I came about, probably because at the beginning of my life, I was faced with obstacles.


I have a learning disability and I'm a dyslexic.


Nobody understood anything about it. Is that the learning disability being dyslexia?


Yes, called dyslexia. And we're certainly smart enough. We code and comprehend differently. But because something's different, suddenly you're labeled inferior or you're this or you're that.


And I was always put into a box, which I don't like to be in.


I know people thought I was dyslexic, too, and I had to sadly inform them that I don't know how to read. And they're like, What? You're dyslexic, right? And like, I wish I was dyslexic. I got tested for that shit.


I'm not I'm just I didn't learn how to read when I was young. And you know that early on we get labeled and perceived and judged and all this and that.


And so I quickly learned to fight my way out of a box and got my way through school and into my life and the beauty pageants and moved to California and all that fun stuff.


I got married. That was a mistake. But my birthday parties got Todd Bridges from The Facts of Life, Andre 3000. So it's not as good as your. I've heard a good birthday party. Yes. Compared to mine. You have to invite you to our party.


So you're in Kansas and you're so. So how did it manifest itself then, this dyslexia? You weren't you weren't ever tested for it or were you?


Not till later, not so they knew it was definitely in the early years are learning disability. So it was just starting to do things backwards, actually just starting to do something different that no one could figure out. Why she doing that. God forbid she's doing it because that's the way she sees it or she sees it but can't understand it, you know, in writing. So I do.


I'm very visual and auditory and I can hear everything, place it in my mind and I know it. But then if I read it, how it's translated back doesn't always come out that way, especially if I'm doing a written test. Right. I had a teacher that saved me because she allowed me to be that she went out of the box and said, I know, you know, so I'm going to give you your test orally instead of written all round.


She did it every semester, you know, for final exams, pop quizzes, everything. And I knew everything. She gave me an A plus in class. And what that did for not only my GPA, but my self-esteem was huge.


And I got married, divorced. You know, I have to look back on all my mishaps. But here's the thing. Everybody fucks up. Nobody's perfect. And I've accepted that about myself.


And when I went and started my work in Hinkley, it was all these things that I thought would define me or not define me about who I was growing up in this town, Hinkley, California. They were like me. I was like them. They were experiencing the same thing.


They would be totally what you see is real. That can't be possible. You shouldn't say anything. You're not a doctor. You're not a lawyer. You're not a scientist. And all these things just swirled around me. And I'm like, you know, this is bullshit. I'm standing right here. I see what's happening. And I chose to speak out about it, even though I was perceived as the least likely person to do that.


So I think sometimes what frustrates me and I see in these communities is they're not being heard. They feel they're not being heard or they're not being seen.


And because it doesn't go with some other agenda, it's either discounted or you're crazy or this or that.


Sometimes it feels like a major gaslighting going on.


Did you I think the last time we spoke, you're working on it was a long time ago on behalf of Beverly Hills students.


What's going on in there? I don't groundwater, whatever lurks.


But it was the the oil derrick.


Yeah, there's an oil derrick. What people don't understand that Beverly Hills High School has an oil derrick, like on their property. They've removed it. Oh, they did. What year did they remove it?


Maybe about five years ago. They actually came back to me recently because now that lawsuit was settled.


People are still having issues. The oil derrick, you know, had its own fair share of issues. They removed it. But underneath they have a huge methane problem. And now they're taking the subway directly underneath Beverly Hills Heights. They have this huge concern with the dig and all that methane and pressure.


What if it blows so to continue in a different way? But the original lawsuit settled. We still have people reporting that, you know, they went to school and during these years, there was a large number of kids who came down with thyroid disease.


Why was it during certain years when the therapy has been there since the beginning? How long is a long time it could have had a lot to do. First of all, Sempra Energy sits right next door and we knew they had a big chrome six problem, so that could be it.


But at the time, that wasn't brought to the light and particularly it sorry, it's been removed July 2017. So it's only been just say five. That's what I thought was five or six four.


So it's been recent, but they finally that three, right? That's right. So yeah. Anyway, this 20-20 going to even count.


I don't know. I got to tell you, I'm having trouble. This is Alaska Air Time in 2020 I think for twenty nineteen.


I sat around the other day, somebody sent me a clip of me doing the Alec Baldwin roast and I was like, when the hell was that. Our Baldwin roast on Comedy Central? And I was like, I think it was a year ago.


But I have no concept of time now for some reason.


Oh you know, you're not alone on that. I feel like it's Groundhog Groundhog Day.


And I wake up and I'm like, oh, where I went dead is I mean, literally, yeah, I would go September 2019, but I had to really think about it a long time because I realized it's just sort of last year.




Everything's kind of melting or bleeding into one or the other, but it's unbelievable.


But so the podcast sorry, Superman's not coming well so and that's what we started about.


I've learned this is my Wizard of Oz story. We're all on a journey.


And through that process, I don't know if we got comfortable, if we got complacent, if we bought the Kool-Aid, if we shut up, I'm not sure what was going on.


But I think there was a moment I do where we're kind of waking up to whatever it is we thought was happening or somebody was going to fix or take care of it for us isn't happening.


So Superman's not coming and I don't want us to be shocked by that.


I work in these communities all the time. But, you know, I don't know why we need Superman when we're here.


The people can still take action and do things.


And especially as an individual collectively in the community, I encourage people get to city council. Great things go on there. Halftimes City Council don't even know what's going on. So you go in and enlighten them that we can make progress and change.


Yeah, I always without waiting for Superman to come rescue us because he and Prince Charming are not coming, I, I look around at the way we run things like in Los Angeles, especially in Glendale or Burbank or whatever. And I see these wild inefficiencies and it's not it's sort of criminal. It's like negligence. It's not really it's not intent. It's just we don't run things right. And it makes me nervous.


Like makes me wonder. There's a I'm obsessed with landscaping and like the freeways and the ramps and the side of the freeway and everything, how we handle it. And like there's one behind us, one hundred and fifty feet. And they, you know, they planted some trees and they got the sprinklers. But it's just growing weeds everywhere. And it's like you need to put some ground cover down, some cloth down so the weeds won't push through. You got to put some gravel on top of it.


You got to do what they do in Phoenix or Vegas or whatever, have to do something. And I look at that. I go, man, we're dumb and we're slow and we're expensive and we're inefficient and we don't care.


And when I look at the freeway, the side of the freeway, I go, I bet you all that is being transferred into the schools, into the power grid and everything like that. This is not this is indicative of of this entire system in this. And I know it doesn't sound like a cause the side of the freeway, but what I'm saying is it's like when you see a person driving down the street and their cars are mass and there's a bunch of newspapers on their dashboard, you know, that person lives in a shitty apartment.


That's a mess as well. It's a bunch of fucking cats and it's a dump. Right. So it's a little indicator of like how they run their life. You don't see them in their car and go, OK, but I bet that person returns a very neat home that's very pristine and they recycle. You go. I'd fucking hate to sleep on that guy's shelf. Right. And I feel the same way with L.A. when I look at the sides of the freeway.


And if you travel around the country and just look at the sides of the freeway, you can tell how the city runs like where they're at. And I'm I'm always frightened by Los Angeles.


Well, you know, this is where I encourage people and I have seen it with Sharon in my book, getting ready to come out. Superman's not coming.


And on the podcast, Everyday People, you know, we have this idea you have to be this or that to be a city council on city council or a mayor or a governor or anything or part of a party.


People are just rising up and they're just they're acting. They're responding to something and not just again, waiting for something else to fix, it is a fascinating situation. When you get into city council, oftentimes they're sitting in there talking to themselves and things like landscape, and that happens right there in city council. And so I encourage people to go do something about that. I mean, I've seen my own neighborhood do that and get something done is just not taking it.


I don't even want to say for granted. I don't know again, if we were taught this way that this is how it's going to be. This has been going on for decades. The definition of doing the same thing over and over again is insanity. That's what we're doing.


How we we we shift.


I don't know if corvids given us this moment, just smacked us in the face where we're going to take this pause and we're all taking a look around. I think we are.


And we're waking up to stuff and where you can get involved or make that move to make a change and not wait for a governor or a mayor or whatever is going to trickle down from the top. I run around all day long looking for whoever they are.


They do all this, but that we have to be involved, not just a fan on the sideline.


No, I've I've realized that when I've talked to a couple of governmental types or mayors or governors or whatever, they oftentimes don't know what I'm talking about. When I'm asking them about some of this stuff, they're like, I don't know what I didn't know that was going on. I'm like, why don't you know what's going on in the answers? They they don't.


So because we don't show up, show up.


One of the best things that ever happened that we did was the carousel track in Carson, California, right here in our own backyard, had Shell Oil and that big, huge tank farm leaked and all the crude was coming up in the neighborhoods yards.


Yeah, OK. That was a recent thing, right?


I mean, recently, but recently enough that it wasn't it's it was a long haul had been going on easily for seven years.


City Council was the one that had the swipe of a pen to initiate a cleanup action right there in their own backyard. So we went down to the city council meeting. And of course, they don't know what's going on. They have their conversation and they're like, well, you know, if nobody has any other questions and we're like, looking around, we're the only two in the room.


We'll adjourn. We said, oh, well, we have some people from the carousel truck that came in and we bussed them in and there was a thousand of them.




And they had to wait for every one of those people to get into the chambers and fill it up. And they all brought a stuffed guinea pig and attached to it, they wrote their story of what was happening to them in their neighborhood. And we were in chambers well into the night and they left their piles of guinea pigs in the middle of the room. And I'm not exaggerating.


It was three feet high by four feet wide. And the city council, the look on their face, they didn't know. But I'll tell you what happened. The next morning, we had a cleanup order. We need to show up. Yeah, I agree, I'm guilty. I just drive around and complain. I never show up and show up.


You'll get something done, you know, and then I'll have you on my podcast. Superman's not going, but out of Gala's here. Know, my problem is every time I turn on one of those Santa Monica City Council meetings, I got that crazy guy, 71. He's got all the buttons on his hands. I'm a veteran of the Korean conflict and there's been a dumpster in front of my apartment for seven weeks now and the permit is expired. I'm like, I got to join this cast of kooks.


That's what I feel like.


I feel like I'm going to turn in the guy with the buttons all over his vest standing there, you know, reclaiming my time. Right.


And see, I do. You're right, Max. I'm going to get these goddamn freeway off ramps. There you go. Adam Driver driving me insane. Superman, when you've got frickin Adam Corolla.


And what pictures are you going to text me? That's right. I to take pictures now that you got there in your car. Well, it's like this one is just had a truck and plumbing fittings and garbage just sitting on a pile of dirt for like eight years. And it's like I just keep looking at it. And the thing that's funny is I see I came here on Saturday and there's a couple there's a warehouse that was right up the street and they just completely transformed it in ten minutes, like and when I came on Saturday, they were planting and putting mulch down and doing all the stuff.


It's like boom, boom, boom, like done, done and done. And then you leave it to the city and it's like same pile of dirt. Been sitting there for for ten years. So.


Well, you know, I even think that sometimes the city sits around, you know, the state has given the funding and then the state sits around and thinks we don't have funding and the federal government funding and we're actually here.


And it's amazing when you go in there and actually bust their balls or put you get that research done and put them to that financial moment where they're like going, oh, you're I don't know, maybe you're right.


That happens. I talk about that in my book that's coming out. We talk about it on Superman's not coming is fascinating to listen to these people's stories.


And oftentimes it's one pissed off mom.


Yeah, they seem to they that seems to be the new world order where they get that shit done. Yeah. One motivated, unhappy camper who seems to be able to get it done or she's got a sick kid and, you know, they're pretty good at organizing each other.


So, you know, when they become one and then five and then fifty and five, let me tell you what, when you have a group of 50000 and I've been around that.


Angry women say they turn into logical in a way they use in their common sense, but strategic voice, yeah, so that they're heard well and they actually get shit done.


It's an interesting point that you may or probably won't agree with. But when I see, like the million women's march where they are put on the Pussy Hansing on March, I'm like, what's the what? What do you want to get done? Like, you're all just pouring out and you've got all the usual celebrities and everyone got a bullhorn and then five o'clock hits and everyone just goes home and I'm like, I want to know what your message is.


I want to give me a list, a punch list of things you want to get accomplished. The general sort of marching for the kind of vague a tree of women's rights doesn't feel. It doesn't feel focused enough to make a lot of marches. I'm that way. Basically Black Lives Matter, too. It's like, give me a list of stuff you want. Let's see if we can get it done. Just the general marching, which we do a lot of in this country, especially these days.


I just feel like that just begets more marches.


I don't know that there's I'd like to see a shopping list of things you want to get done versus the general heading out like, oh, well, we want to we want to solve inequality, you know? And it's like I said, it's so vague or women's rights feels too vague. The stuff with the city council feels a little more laser focused on that issue.


And I understand what you're saying because a lot of people say that to me as well.




People get frustrated because they're not being heard and for in order for us to be heard, I think it is also how you present yourself and we work on that in communities.


What is your cost? We could all have 10 causes. Right. But right now, what is it you're going to focus on, ladies?


A Hannibal, Missouri, specifically led. We all saw what happened with lead in the water in Flint.




We went out there and organized with them and it becomes a little bit of a structure excuse me.


And we explained to them how they got lead in their water, was adding ammonia to the system. We won't get into that right now. But they're like, OK, well, that's not going to be OK. We want to learn more. So they became one and then five and 10 and 15 because they were having children with problems from being exposed to lead in the water. So they got pretty organized.


Specific to your point, what is your cause right now? It is no ammonia in the water. They stayed focused on the one cause they didn't go here.


They didn't go there. They educated the entire town.


They wanted to do more. And we encourage them to get involved at local level. City council, one of the mothers ran and she won. Right. And so now she's organized.


She's organized her community. She put a referendum out on a ballot. Do you want ammonia in your drinking water? Yes or no? To the people? They all said no. Well, then it became a law, but the state and them got into a lawsuit with each other that took two years.


However, she stayed to your point on point, to the message, to the cause, driving it home to the end in March of twenty twenty, they turned the ammonia feed off and Hannibal. And that has led free water.


Yeah, what I'm saying is, is when people go justice for all, I'm like, that's way too vague. I need you to get a little more specific with what you're trying to do.


Although, look, I'm not going to argue with justice for all, but I don't know that that's solvable. Being hurt goes both ways.


And I want to hear you, but you need to tell me what it is I need to hear specifically on an issue. And there could be five. Well, right. We talk about that in Superman's not coming. So you've got a big elephant in the room, right? How are you going to get it out? Not all at once. You're just going to have to take that cause and piece and get it done. And I think that's something that's really important.


Get it done.


You get halfway and stop and then the problem becomes a problem ten years later on top of one hundred other problems.


Well, it's interesting. Follow through. I've talked to people about this and it's something I've been thinking about and talking about, which is are you going to run for office? No, the the process there's people that like there's people that like the process.


And then there's the people who are like results oriented. Like, I know people just want to talk about the same thing over and over again. And then there's the people that want to just start digging like like like it is it's kind of I was kind of picture it like in the Great Escape, they had to dig a tunnel to get out of that prison camp and they dig a tunnel. And then the way what would they do with all the excess dirt they each guy would like, walk out a couple of it, sort of and dump it down his trouser legs and it kind of like shake his foot.


It just a little bit. The cup of dirt would spell out up on on the top, you know, top side. And I was like, that's how you solve these problems. It's not one big scoop of dirt. It's just a kind of a chipping away. It's a process. But you blink your eyes, time passes quickly, and you've got you've got a tunnel to freedom. But so many people just want to play in the tunnel and talk about tunnel and they don't want to get in and start digging that tunnel.


And there's a lot of them out there.


There there are. And, you know, sometimes that's part of the process is to Cathcart and and just put it out there.


But somebody else is getting here. It's a beginning part of the process, but it's not the middle. And somebody else will pick that up and they'll drive it home. You know, I think so. Part of just how I visualize this is a Super Bowl game.


And for that individual, you need to be prepared coming into the game that you're going to get pushed around a little. You're going to drop the ball. You might not get where you want right away. And so if you're not if you don't know that coming in when you get out there and you pick up the ball and you get knocked down, you don't imagine we're watching a Super Bowl and you threw the ball in the field, knocked off.


You're going to get booed out the stage, right? Put the ball back up, stay in the game. And so what if you fail once so many times we get in our own damn way of getting anything done because like, oh, I look stupid and I'm such a failure.


Who cares? Pick that ball up. Get that. In the game, and maybe next time you're going to rush 60 yards. Well, you have the unique perspective and the. Tristam, go ahead, I'm 60 now. No, no, what I'm saying is, you know, beginning, middle and end. You've done so many cases, you've seen so much fix some some of these things that seem insurmountable or Herculean. And you went now here's how you do it.


Just you just you just start pecking away. And I've done it to I you know, I've I just came out with my fifth book, so if you told me to write a sixth book, I wouldn't go. I don't know, man. That's too much I've got. All right, I'll write my six. But you do enough documentaries. You write enough books, you do enough stuff. You realize, oh, I have the experience of beginning, middle and end, beginning, middle and end.


You have an experience, a beginning, middle and end. So many people don't really have that. They just experienced the middle. They don't have that. That and it's something that's not talked about, it's not preached at politicians don't talk about in school, teachers don't talk about it. But if I was to give my kids a quality, it'd be beginning. I should write a book or I should I should save I should get let out of the water in this town in Michigan or or I should make a documentary or I should build a barn or whatever your thing is.


And then middle, I'm now executing this and I'm on the New York Times bestseller list. Or we get a big check from the from the from the gas company or whatever it is to have that then experience a beginning, middle and end. And then when you go on to your next thing, that would be overwhelming to everyone else, you go, Oh, I've done this well. And you have that experience.


But, you know, it's it goes back to my mom and again, because my mom was a cheerleader, maybe I've just become a, you know, a cheerleader, I get like that.


But I it's exciting to want to, you know, frickin get something done and have follow through on it. And she always told me, you know, when the going gets tough, tough get going, it's really true. But she'd say you have to have your stick to otterness like, what the fuck does that mean?


Well, it's amazing.


It's definition noun propensity to follow through, dogged determination, born of obligation, persistence and stubbornness. And I'm like, oh, oh, that's all you had to say to me. I'm determined. I'm dogged, I'm persistent. And that word she told me. You're not born with it, you have to develop the habit of persevering even when you don't want to, and it'll be easier to give up, life will require that you have stick to otterness and that is going to be required of us right now.


You start it. Finish it. To the end of the goal and that stick to tennis, but it's what you go through, that middle process that's invaluable, that I know the end and I know so many people that just have one big middle they don't really have.


And I've noticed I've noticed that the difference you got us.


Yeah. You got to have the end. You got to have and the have nots. I noticed just this perpetual middle. And I grew up around it and it was in my own family and it was certainly in my neighborhoods. And it was like the guy who was restoring the Mustang. And you ran into him five years ago and he's saying, I'm working on the Mustang. And then you run in him five years later, I'm still working on it.


And it never got done. It was just one big middle. And there was I'm going to write a book. I want to start my own business or whatever. And when I started hanging around guys like Jimmy Kimmel, they had a beginning, middle and end was like, we want to do a TV show. We want to do prank puppet show under a puppet show and prank phone calls. I was like, boom, here we go. Beginning, middle and beginning, middle end.


Like it was everything was beginning, middle, end and all the other people I knew from, like, the old neighborhood, it was one big perpetual like, I'm going to put a I'm going to put up, you know, like a like I'd say like I even say to my mom, like, your car's parked out on the driveway and it's breaking out the sun and it's the San Fernando Valley and it's so brutal hot. And she's like, oh, we're going to do a carport, you know, to put it under the carport or get some shower.


But never did it. It never would do it would talk about it a lot, would wish they had it a lot would give reasons why today's not a good day to get started on it, but they just never squeeze the trigger. And I knew so many of those people and I still do. And it life for them is sort of like purgatory, just one big middle. And the blessing is the beginning, middle and end part. The middle is always boring, takes a long time.


It is. And that's where we get glamorous. I don't want to do it.


Well, then, you know, this is takes me back makes me think of what I talk about and I do a ton of keynote speaking my Ramah program realize, assess and motivate. Not someone else but yourself. You know, you got it. Let's just back all this up right to it's going to be about who are you.


Yeah. Who are you and realize that person. Assess that if there is something you don't like about yourself, get over it. Change it, fix it.


Give us give us our acronym. Eram You're like the Gary Busey of our time. She does it with like thirteen syllable words.


Encyclopedia Britannica. OK, Ugne. All right. Sorry. Go ahead rant.


He does the craziest ones.


Right, but you realize that access and motivation of oneself become a ram. Hmm. Look at Aram. They're pretty damn confident, yes, even if you're not, don't waver, be it, and realize who you are. And that starts with assessing who you are and then, well, let everything come on.


So if you like, if you have something, change it. Let's talk about the assessment part, because I just feel like. There are people who are constantly late, everyone in their life knows they're late, so they start changing the times like they'll tell them the movie starts at eight instead of eight, 30 just to try to get them there earlier and stuff like that or the restaurant or whatever it is. But that one person still doesn't really know that there are late person and they argue with everybody all the time.


For them, we all know them. What is that thing where you don't assess who you are?


You're weak. Look, nobody gets out of high school unscathed. I mean, for the most part or anything else, I really matter. But like, when I was 19, I was like, you have no skills, you have no education. There's no reason why you're ever going to be successful. You need to fix a bunch of things in order to have some success in your life. And it's going to be a full time job fixing these things.


But I was honest about my assessment. I didn't think I was a bad person.


I was just like, you lack a bunch of skills that you that one would need to be a successful person so that you have motivation.


Let's work on that. You have motivation. That's that. That's the end part. And we all know people who are very talented and unsuccessful and we know people who are untalented but somehow became successful. And that comes from the motivation inside yourself. And listen, you have like my mom always taught me, you have to. Stick to we're not born with these things, you really have to put your mind to it, your heart to it, stop buying everybody else's bullshit of who you are or aren't supposed to be and decide that for yourself and do it the most.


The most successful is quite key.


Some the most successful people I know are not amongst the most talented people I know. They're just focused. Do you have some Gary Busey acronyms?


I do. That am. Well, now we can do rame. You got others? Oh yeah.


Well, I've got others as well. Wait, don't tell me that there's no such thing as a person that has one. You either have zero or you have a kit and caboodle. What are Gary's grades? All right.


We have romance relying on magnificent and necessary compatible energy.


Plus, we have relationship, really excited love affair till it's over now, sobriety hangs in peril.


So when you're unemployable as an actor, this is what you have time to do.


Bully, big, ugly, loud loser, Yahoo! And freedom, facing real exciting energy, developing out of miracles.


Yeah, that's a tough one to commit to memory. He does have some and you got well, you know, second one, it's always we can sit around all day long and blame everybody for something.


But at the end of the day, you're looking for someone to make you who you are. That's up to you. Just look at yourself in the mirror and just, you know, let's get busy doing it. My other one.


Yeah, logic, leverage, loyalty, love, logic is common sense.


You know, we're told not to use that shit. And I think actually talking to you, you will use your common sense. I do. But oftentimes we're told that you don't pay attention to that. That's nothing more than an instinct that sits in your gut like I had growing up in Kansas on a day that you knew it was going to be thunderstorms is 100 degrees and the air was oppressive. And you could see the thunderheads building and you see the little tornado on the bottom of the TV screen, tornado watch, tornado warning.


I never bothered to call the Weather Channel and ask, what do you think is going to be an EF three or an EF four? Come on. Because I don't give a shit.


I know my common sense tells me get to safety. We oftentimes disregard that or we think somebody else is going to tell us how to do it. So that's you know what? Follow your common sense. You geologically do the right thing.


Well, also develop your common sense like it's an ongoing affair.


You've got to trust it because everyone else tells you only that's not you. Wow, that can't be happening. But I don't even know who to trust it. But let me ask you this.


Your mom was talking about, you know, hard work and resilience and all that stick to otterness.


Right. And she was saying you have to develop that. And I'm wondering if you need to develop your common sense as well. I don't know if we're just born with common sense. I feel like you're born with some common sense because I have to cultivate it.


It's weft. It's a daily thing to kind of cultivate your sense. Well, logic, I guess, is true.


Maybe we should teach it more instead of just pooh poohing things that don't make, you know. The standard of educational conformity, if you ask me, makes sense, we're going to lose our brightest minds if we don't tap into that. Not everybody thinks alike.


We code differently. We're more visual. We don't necessarily read. That doesn't mean we're not comprehending. This is, again, that box that we get put into that I think is a tragedy. And that common sense may we should be teaching more of that.


It is. I mean, what is it take when you see a tornado coming at you? Boy, what's your first instinct of what to do?


I'm from North Hollywood, so I'm like, lay down in the bathtub. We don't have basements.


Actually, the middle room is where you're supposed to go to the. But you know what I mean by common sense? We all do. You know, you can tap in into that.


You know, we should do with every kid. In, I don't know, the sixth grade or whatever, because I'm with you when you're talking about your teacher hearing that you learn things.


Kathy Borshoff audibly and I had an experience once when I was watching, like mysteries, Hollywood mysteries and all that. One of those one of those A.J. Benza shows or something like that. And for some reason, there were playing it in the car with some of my radio, you know, and I'd seen it on TV and not not recalled that much of it. But when I was in my car at night and I turned it on the radio and there was no visual, just the audible part coming through.


And I was hearing about this actress. And later on when I got to work, I realized, oh, I know how old this actress was. I know how she was killed. I know the year she was born. I know where she was and all kind of stuff.


And I realized I got so much more information from not having the visual part. Now, if you told me to read a story on that actress, I wouldn't have any.


And maybe we should figure out for every kid entering the fifth grade. Do you learn by hearing this?


I have it have a habit and have had a habit of when I would talk to callers at night when I do love, I would close my eyes. I would just close my eyes and everyone else go, Why are you close?


I don't want to be distracted by movement. I want to just listen. So I, I found would probably work for you as well. When you're an environment and someone is speaking and you really want to hear what they're saying, close your eyes. Because when you start adding a visual and a static and sometimes just movement sometimes. So when you get up and walk away, you're like your mind gets sucked into that person. Close your eyes and listen and you will retain much, much more that way.


Don't do it when you're driving like I used to do it now. But but we would then know which students were sort of visual students and which one are audible students and which one were reading text kind of students. And then we could we could proceed with a plan knowing that because I was the same as you telling me to read something and then do the test was not going to yield any results. I agree with you.


See, this is where we go to city council.


This is where you start making that strategic, because I think from an educational perspective, we are going to lose bright minds straight down that drain, right through the cracks. We already are, because we all learn a different way. This whole idea that just, you know, my mom always taught me just because you're different doesn't mean you're inferior.


And I think when we think we're inferior, we start getting all your fucked. Your mom did a lot of preaching.


She was a good girl. She was my journalist. My mom was a journalist, major and sociology major.


So she always was in tune to that sense of self and self-esteem. And if you start thinking you got a low self-esteem, you're a piece of shit. I don't know. That's maybe what happens.


And it's really hard to look at yourself and, I don't know, get over ourselves. Forgive yourself. We all got issues.


I think the problem is we circle it back to school in the system is. I went through and so many other kids do as well, but I went through so many years of failure as a student that it was really difficult to look at myself as anything but dumb.


Correct. And there's really only one yardstick we were using to measure intelligence, and that was grades. And I was coming back with D, C minus D, an occasional laugh. And so when you go, well, let's take an assessment of you.


How smart are you? You go, well, look at the report card. I think you get a pretty good feel for how we go together.


I'm your best friend. Oh, man. We could have made some real we can add some had some fun and out that would. Yes.


I didn't I so I just thought when I got out of high school, I assumed I was dumb. I didn't even bother trying to define what smart and dumb was. I was just like, whatever the definition of dumb is, you seem to meet the requirements because I've seen your scholastic achievements over the last, you know, ten years and they're not good. So I got a job, you know, digging ditches and cleaning carpets and stuff like that because I didn't know any better and would be nice if they started to redefine that with school as well.


It's true.


I go over this again and again myself and then Kathy Bozarth and that teacher that saved me, dear, she get outside of the box and give me those test orally and innovative of her right back in the day to do that.


And what it did for my GPA was great and what it did for my self-esteem, because it gave me that that moment to go see I. I can do this. You know, I talk about in the book oftentimes people I feel write me because they're looking for permission, you know, to speak out or should I or shouldn't I or they aren't certain. And I'm happy to give you that that permission, if that's what you're looking for.


But what they're really asking for is support. And that is something that Kathy Borshoff did, she supported me, even though I was learning different, look what came from it. And I think, you know, we miss that sometimes, but people are looking for support.


That's why the collective so logic, common sense leverage that's getting people, you know, with you.


I mean, one plus one in math equals two, but one plus one in principle could be a thousand or more.


And we always think of leverage here again. It's what how we perceive words is a bad thing.


You're going to leverage money and do something that leverages, you know, getting to know your neighbor again. And oftentimes, if you do, you'll realize they've got the same idea of an issue that you do. It's just that we're not talking about it or we're talking about it or moaning about it, but we're not being heard get together.


And logic and leverage goes a long way. I've seen that work over and over and over again.


If it's one or five, they'll just think it'll blow over. You're going to go away when you start getting, you know, 50, 500, 5000 starts saying something. And so you've got to leverage yourself loyalty. It's your stick to witness. This is being loyal to your cause.


Well, there's also a relationship as well. Like I've realized that I was. It's it's a little not apropos to this exactly.


But I you know, I every Simpsons is a slippery slope. Well, I don't mean I don't mean relationships.


Okay, good.


I mean, I was every every year I go up and do the Rolex Asterix race up in Monterrey and every year we stay at an Airbnb house. And every year before we leave, we clean the shit out of that house like we empty the garbage, we make the bed, everyone picks up everything. All the dishes are done and everything is that house is spotless when we leave. And then the next year when we go, we want to rent your house again.


The guy goes, thank you. Because we're the guys who leave the house perfectly vs. the people that leave the pot of coffee and the dishes and the bed and the thing and the trash everywhere and whatever where then that person goes.


I don't know if I want these people back again. Maybe I get someone who's a little cleaner to come back. And so what I'm saying is you're creating a relationship with that person or you're certainly putting something in their head and you are the guys who don't make a lot of noise, clean up real good and pay on time. That means you're going to jump right to the front of the line every time they want to rent a place out to you.


That's how it works. And I think people want one thing without the other. They're like, I don't want to clean this house, but I still want to jump to the front of the line. You don't get to the front line if you don't clean the house. You have to understand you've worked you know, you've worked with a lot of these people. I've worked with a lot of people. These relationships are decades long. You can get greedy.


I mean, you can you can work with an attorney or you can work with a realtor and you can start getting real greedy and grabby and trying to get money. And I want more and whatever, and that's fine. But this will be the last job you guys work on together. They don't people don't realize that it's such a marathon and it's a relationship. I mean, you have them in your world and I have them in my world.


And those people have to want to work with you. Yes. And it's all based on the last time you guys worked together. Were you compromised? Absolutely.


And you know, what you're saying is something that I think's been lost. And that's respect. Yes. Respect for yourself, respect for your relationship.


And my father taught me about that. My dad was an engineer.


He ran the pipelines for Citigroup, Citicorp back in the day.


And he taught me the value of water and honesty and respect. And I got in big trouble because I skipped school and of course, I lied to him. You can't lie to my dad. And I got grounded for an entire school semester. I mean, talk about someone.


You stick to it. And this semester ends up I call you seventeen. Oh my God. Oh, oh, oh. But he wrote me a letter.


He had to go out of town and I was not the slightest bit interested in that letter, and I put it away in a box and I pulled it out again when I began my work in Hinkley. Now, I was a different person by now. I wasn't 17. I was a single mom, struggling mom with three kids. And I knew something was wrong in Hinckley driving home. I kept thinking, why is this bothering me so bad? And I realize somebody somewhere was lying, which made me think of my dad who wasn't going to have anything to do.


He said, this is the domino effect that brings it all down. Is that moment of deception or lies?


When I got home that night, I found my dad's letter and I talk a little bit about it in my book. Superman's Coming, but which is out August 25th. Yes, sorry. Preordered on Amazon.


And he taught me that if you your mother and brother and sister, we cannot honestly and freely communicate with each other.


We've destroyed the very fiber of our being, which is your family and those relationships, which is the finest possession you'll have on this earth till you start your own. And he went on to say, because I had a big trip planned to Chicago, he took it away from me.


He said, What I want you to understand is the loss of that trip is not that great. The loss of our respect for each other would be much, much greater. Yeah, I think that's been eroded. Hmm. Yeah.


Yeah. I think people's version of respect is you respect me based on I don't know what you're screaming at me to respect you. It's like go earn it, live a lifestyle that's respectable and I shall. And respect you.


Yeah. And it's it's right. And we have to do that together. And that's why your stories. Great. About the Airbnb. You were respectful of that.


And then in turn, they respect you back. There's there's an exchange there.


Well, we want a place to stay every year. And they want reliable people who are clean and quiet. And that's the roller skates. The cable.


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You know, I had to do something just to get me through school that necessarily easy, all that stuff. And so where'd you go to college?


So I went to Kansas State University and was doing my associates and applied arts there.


That's one, because I didn't really know what I wanted to do.


You got to remember, I came into college completely being the underdog because everybody told me you're not going to be able to do that.


And of course, I quickly learned that I could be the cute fun, you know.


Did you take the SATs? I did. And I passed them. How? I don't know. Because you had to read them, right? Yeah, I probably.


Eeny, meeny, miny, mo. No, I mean, listen, I make fun of myself. I know a lot more than people may think. I have a gift of observation.


Let's talk about that.


Oh, the gift of observation. Because I'm sort of that way, too. Are you just guessing all the time?


I feel a real educational city council moment coming on for you and I.


Well, my hypervigilance is based on probably growing up feeling fearful like I was going to get protected. I was kind of vulnerable. My family wasn't going to do anything. I had to sort of fight or flight thing. You know, I was like a you know, like when you turn on the nature channel, you see all the lions are just like. On the ground in the middle of the Serengeti, look, they never thought in the world and then you see that little squirrels up in the tree and their heads moving around and they're like looking out all the time because they don't want to get eaten.


And the lions, that apex predator lions not worried about it. You know, you kind of act like where the danger is, you know, and like my kids don't have a care in the world. That's kind of how they act. I had a lot of cares. And so I sort of acted accordingly. And I had to hear things and notice things because I felt like I wasn't going to it. If somebody broke into the house, my mom wasn't going to protect me.


That's the way I felt. So I felt like I needed to hear somebody breaking the house early so I could get out and not just sleep through it sort of sort of thing. So I got this hyper vigilance, which is just kind of notice everything around me.


Yeah. And you you I have a plan B all day long. You were protected, though, right?


Yeah, I don't think I felt I didn't come from the same place. No, but I came I felt fear because I was often thought I was inferior because I wasn't perceived as smart as someone else when actually I really was. But that that stuck with me.


Is it because you're like a tall, busty blonde that like so many things, but is that where the labels are coming from?


You think older in life, younger in life? It was most of my friends, you know, were very, very smart and were acing math.


And I can take you all the way back to second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth grade.


And I wasn't good at math or science.


And, you know, you know, kids are dumb. You know, that is that sticks with you. The teachers deserve something.


They routinely. Would just go, well, sit next to her, she's smart and don't sit next to him, he's dumb, like that's how they would do it. If you want to cheat off someone, go sit next to her, not next to him. They just say smart and dumb. I don't even know if they. Well, I mean, I don't know if they meant by it, but that's how it was was understood.


Well, that's an interesting word I understood. And that's where I was going to go next. I don't know that the teacher or the principal or the school system understood that I was different. And because I was or they couldn't understand it, I had to go over here to a special ed class and.


I just think we underestimate people and even worse, we underestimate herself that's stuck with me for a very long time. It took me up to the age of 30 to even get to a point where when I was out in Hinkley, I'm like, yo, I got this experience.


Hands on goes a long way.


And I would like to see that more. An educational system, getting our kids out into hands on issues in the environment, working in the communities, take them down to a city council meeting. I mean, all of these experiences, it's hard to learn just in a classroom.


I know.


And we never take them out. I've got my greatest education by being on the ground for 25 years with people and putting my brain to understand water, how it works, a chemical, what it does to people. I mean, literally, my brain hurts.


Do you do you remember your field trips when you're in junior high and high school?


I love it because I was out of the classroom. Where did you go? Oh, my gosh. I'll never forget one. Oh, one of my favorite pictures. This is bizarre that I even thought of this. How do you even bring this up was.


Well, you were talking about getting out of Kansas. Yeah. And one of my favorite photos is we went to the Capitol and I have my picture sitting behind the governor's desk like government. Oh, you you guys got dorking? Yes. Wow.


At the time, Governor Dorking. See, I thought, gee, we went to you know, I went to a McDonald's, I went to get kids out.


What I'm saying, I went to Alvera Street, which is a poncho, and I talk like was like such a zero.


It's a fucking zero. There's a lot of things.


First Street take you on a landscape to unravel all of suppose that us Alvera Street now like in the San Fernando Valley, like we just go places to literally check the box, like we're going to McDonald's.


I went to McDonald's and like silver. But you didn't learn anything.


I would have never thought sitting here today talking to you that you are just a perfect example of everything I'm trying to say about superbrands not coming and how you owned yourself and accepted yourself.


I didn't expect I look for you're sitting today. Well, my situation was nobody's going to do anything for you. That's super clear. If, in fact, you want anything like you would like. I like cars. If you would like, in fact, to drive a cool car versus a pickup truck, then you're going to have to figure that one out. And I also felt that way about, you know, dental insurance and credit cards and travel and every facet of life that you might fall under the umbrella that would be under the umbrella of enjoyment.


Like, would you like to go out, have a steak dinner once in a while, OK? Yes. Would you like to drive a nice car? Yes. Would you like to live in a decent house? Yes. Would you when you get a parking ticket, would you like to not be devastated by the sixty dollars toll. Yes. All these things that you would say yes to. I knew I wasn't going to have any of them and no one was going to provide them for me or even help me obtain them.


So I knew that when I was fifteen. So I was like, OK, your job is to get through high school and then go figure it out. And I began the process of trying to figure it out like almost immediately, just based on wanting this stuff and knowing I was never, never going to get it. What's that old adage?


Give a child a fish. You feed him for a day, teach a child to fish.


You feed him for a man that probably would say, but yeah, but anyway, man, yeah, I was like, I got to teach myself to be I taught myself to be a carpenter. And then I sort of went, all right, you got to keep going.


But but there's a my kids get very frustrated.


My kids are grown and gone and adults.


I'm a grandmother of four now, but they don't like to hear. I'm like, yo, here's my father growing up.


I'd come and present a problem to him. It's not like, oh, I'm going to open my checkbook and here's fifty dollars and oh you graduate, I'm going to get you a car. He'd always look at me go.


It's going to be really interesting to watch how you work this out.


Mm hmm.


So he didn't enable me, but he challenged me in a way. And I was always like, oh, what does he mean by that?


Well, you know, it's it's we can't always fix something for someone.


We need to allow them or respect them in the space.


At some point, you do have to kind of work through things yourself. I think we've forgotten that.


Yeah, there's a wake up moment happening for us and we really thought there is no wizard behind that curtain.


Well, you know, it's going to be hard to kind of synthesize what I grew up in with my kids because. As my kids know, Daddy's got a bunch of warehouses with a bunch of expensive cars in them, and one day they'll just own those warehouses and those expensive cars, that's the way they think they're not. They're not snotty, but they've done the math, you know, whereas I did the same math, but it was no warehouses and no cars.


So I did the math as well. How we get kids to act motivated like I was, minus the motivating factor. That's the tough part. You know, how do you give them that fire in their belly when it's, you know, filled with Hot Pockets?


Well, generally, if I don't give it to them and they want it bad enough or they see their friends with it, they'll figure out how to do it.


Your kids have that motor that that you have. Yes, they all do. They're all really very, very smart. My son is an iron journeyman worker. I really pushed him because he wasn't sure where he wanted to go and he got into the union in Vegas or something.


He was he was a big part of building the city center, but he he needed to get something done.


So he joined the United States Army. I went through a pretty bad deployment, Bronze Star, Purple Heart recipient and a smart kid. And he just felt that he needed to do that service. I think that's interesting. They've all kind of put themselves in that service position. My daughter Elizabeth is more in the medical field and she decided to join the military as well. Really? Yeah. And she was 10th Mountain. She was going to be an officer.


And my son was now Matthew was 10th Mountain. She was Old Ironsides, El Paso, Texas. So but they're both civilians and out now.


But it was interesting to watch them.


They had that cause, that call to action. They say you had three kids to do. Yeah. And then Katy, she's my kind of tech, you know, that sort of thing.


Your kids join the army, too. And my father was military. Oh, wait a minute. Because he's thinking that's interesting to me.


I see. I grew a military mom. I grew up in a weird time, in a weird place where nobody I knew joined the army, even though there were plenty of guys who probably should have because including myself, I didn't have anything we didn't do. But we all just elected to just clean carpets or pick up garbage on a construction site. But we never nobody joined the forces. Wasn't part of what we knew or what anyone did. There was no it was you'd have to get a haircut.


Seemed weird.


This is this was what they chose to do. Believe me, I was a little taken aback.


They both arrived at that independently. Yes. It's interesting, you know, and again. Having this conversation, I things come to me that makes me think we're here kind of again and I talk about my Wizard of Oz. I think we're all on a journey and we're just going to have to realize we've got to get to a journey. But at the end of the day, the moral of the story is what I think we've forgotten.


Each of us is individuals, we have a heart and we have a brain, and even though it may be different, we have a brain and are perfectly capable of using it.


And we have courage. I think we've. I've been impressed not to believe it or we've forgotten about it or we've given up on ourselves, but for me that is the moment. And I think my children, even in the military, had that moment where they felt they needed to do something, but they knew that they would have to have the courage. But if they had the heart and they had the mindset to do it and they set out whatever it may be, that that moment, that call to action as well.


And I think that's a message. And I don't want our next generations to forget it.


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Adam for twenty five percent off courage. Hmm. I'm worried about. This courage that's going on are this lack thereof, because I'm noticing that it's being sort of synthesized a little. So what I'm saying is I've never heard more people call other people brave who weren't really doing things that were brave. You know, they got this actor so brave to take on this role or whatever. That's not bravery. It's something else. But we're throwing it out a lot now that these heroes, these are brave, the heroes.


And I thought, why are we speaking brave and hero all the time? And because we're caught in this constant struggle, this battle of wanting to do things to prove to ourselves and to those around us that we are brave but not wanting to put our fuckin hang it out because join the army.


Fine, but you might not come back. So we want the braveness part, but we don't want the part where we might not come back. So we're trying to reconcile that. And what we're doing is we're talking a lot now. We're not doing a lot. And I know it's important to feel as if you are risking and it's all whatever we talk about, you know, when you eulogize someone, that's what you say, look, this person is a risk.


This they didn't care what the other people said. They did what was right, even though it meant that blah, blah, blah, in the face of adversity and blah, blah, blah. But everyone is looking at keeping it safe. So we're now wanting to keep it safe and then announce everyone's a hero. And that's why we're struggling a lot with this this stuff.


Well, I think with I agree. And, you know, again, Superman's not coming. Is this are a wake up call. Has there been an illusion? Did we follow what we. You know, we drank the Kool-Aid, if you will. Did we buy the bullshit? Did we get comfortable? Do we get complacent? I think we're in a wake up moment and everything that we're talking about, maybe what we lost and maybe what we're waking up to and maybe right where we're going to get back to where no one's going to do it except, you know, that individual.


I mean, you're not no one's going to be just because you got a free dog at the pound doesn't mean you rescued the dog and you're a hero. I'm all for dogs not being destroyed. I mean, just let's save the rescue in the hero part for, you know, firemen or folks that join the army like your kids.


And now I notice, speaking of that, everyone seems to have some different relationship with covid-19. I am relatively unaffected. So I then get confused because I talk to some of my friends sometimes and I go, oh, we'll just swing by on our way back. And they are not in the house. And I go, what? I'll go. There were socially dancing and I go, Oh, where? Oh, you're doing this for you. It's on for me.


I'd forgotten about it. Yeah. My biggest concession is I, I have to remember to bring a mask. If I go into a Trader Joe's, I don't walk around the mask. I don't do I don't do anything basically, which is not a denial of it. I just don't I, I don't do anything as it pertains to being attacked by a shark or hit by lightning either. Just I don't do anything. I'm not saying it doesn't exist.


I'm not saying it hasn't happened to other people. I just personally don't have a protocol. Right. But you're sitting here without a mask on.


So obviously it's you're doing me. I you know, we're sitting right there. Yeah. So when I came in, I checked at the door.


I'm like, mask requirement or not. But your relationship with this is not of fear or at least coming from the kind of fear that a lot of people are coming from.


No, but we've had this conversation. I observe, I listen, I have a plan B, I have my mask. I have him hanging in the car. I have my throughout. Once I find out beforehand, there is obviously a virus out there and it's contagious. You know, I do a lot of world travel. How I've come out of some of the places I've come out and I've not gotten sick, I often wonder. What concerns me, what I'm more afraid of is.


It's not misinformation, but such inconsistent information that it's really creating a distrust and fear amongst people and they and that's what concerns me and how I'm going to decipher how I'm going to deal with this.


So I do have a mask. I don't go into a bar with 10000 people.


I'm off the lecture circuit. We all are. I wouldn't be I would hesitate to go into a big crowd at this moment because I'm uncertain. If I'm uncertain, I'll back out and I'll take a look around me. So I have my mask, I'm cautious, and I try not to let the fear get to me because I.


I don't know that I want to live that way. Yeah, no, I, I agree. There's a there's this kind of fear and brawly talk about its just ever expanding and the government sometimes takes it and runs with it and everything's in the name of safety and the safety for the kids and safety for everybody.


And we should respect that. And I know you do after the conversation we have and I do too. And so when I go into a store I have my mask on. Well, it's a balance.


It is way out. And look, I mean, people always, you know, probably think this is hyperbole, but.


I race automobiles and I have a fire suit and a helmet and all the equipment, all the stuff, and it would be safer if everyone just wore a helmet when they drove, you know what I mean? Like, it would be a safer world. There'd be less fatalities and whatever that is. And I agree with that.


But I also agree that, well, it's pretty low. You know, it's pretty low chance of you dying behind the wheel of a car in this modern age. And we shouldn't have the government decreeing that everyone needs to wear a helmet when they drive their car. And so for me, it's a balance. It's like it's like the government needs to have some regulations on on flight and airport safety and like all that kind of stuff. But I don't need to wear a helmet when I'm driving my car that that would be overreach.


And so my feeling is, is like, let's see if we can get this balance right personally and and with the government. I agree with you.


And it does need to be a balance.


And that's what I try to do for myself and I hope others does. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. It does. I've had friends that have had it. I've had two friends almost die from it. I mean, it's real. It's there. So I tried to balance and take the precautions and and implement that without too much fear.


And I'll tell you, I felt really terrorized in the beginning. And what hurt me, I think hurts all of us is we've so much just been ripped apart from each other. And it's is it's very daunting to just be alone. I was basically alone during that quarantine. And again, that balance is important. That balance can create trust and. We don't have that right now and all the information coming out is so inconsistent and I talk to my friends and people all the time and they're like, oh my God, which is wear a mask, don't wear a mask.


You can touch surfaces. You can't touch surfaces. So I think you are smart enough.


We're smart enough. Everyone is. You're going to have to observe what's happening around you and find that balance and be protective and. I go for a hike every day, I don't wear masks, and then I go into Trader Joe's and I put on a mask because I'm observing and I'm weighing risks and I go for a hike every day.


I think part of what will be just as damaging as it is, is we can't go anywhere in that lockup and we can't get outside in the exercise in the sunshine.


And I got to tell you what, we need each other. And I know a whole lots going on, but you said it perfectly. There's got to be a balance. And right now we are swinging one way or the other. Yeah, I agree.


And also, the problem is when the government, especially here in Los Angeles, you know, when the mayor is saying, you know, you can't go get your hair cut and you can't get your nails done, but you can go into an airplane. Right. But we talk about that. It's like, come on, you got to figure it out a little more consistent. You know, it's like a few months ago and they're like, you can go to the beach, you can walk on the beach.


We can't lay down on the beach like really can't lay down on the beach in. What you do is I was talking to Dr. Drew about this is you create a reefer madness situation, which is you tell all the kids pot's a killer, you're going to go insane. You're going to stab someone and then jump off the building. You keep telling them that.


And eventually they go, you know what? I don't think it's that bad. I'm going to smoke some weed. So you get the opposite effect. You wanted to get them to do this, that and the other. But your message was right, too inconsistent and too doom and gloom. And eventually the kids stop listening. That's right.


That's exactly what's happening. And we've been talking about that whole time. How do you get someone to listen? All right.


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I think it's because we're both so stimulating verbally that the time just I was playing over here listening to you and I'm like, what is Adam Crowley's campaign going to look like?


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Stick around. Dave Damasak and Adam Carolla return with good sports right after this. Good for the broadcast on Sports Network presents, good sports, I love sports fans. Welcome to the Tuesday edition of Good Sports. We've got hard knocks coming your way tonight, or I should say HBO does. If you want to hear our thoughts about episode one of this year discomfiting, I would say Ace. And in fact, I talked to one of the producers over there from NFL Films about it, and he said we kind of felt like putting it together, like this is going to be a public service announcement almost for society like this is what it looks like.


This is what football and what other things look like. And one of the concerns is obviously bringing outsiders into these attempts at bubbles. The NFL isn't bubbling properly the way NBA and NHL are, but the Seahawks, like all the other teams, are more or less on lockdown with all their personnel in one building. But the Seahawks rookie cornerback got busted by trying to sneak a lady in who he dressed up to look like one of the players. Did you hear about this story last week?


No, I did not. Oh, yeah. He he I mean, there are layers to it. And Mike Vrabel, coach of the Titans, cracked wise about that. He's like, well, I guess my first thought is I hope that she didn't actually didn't have the same physique as an NFL football player. But but either way, this was a weird move. And so they cut him. That cut. Really? Yes.


He's a first I mean, not a first round draft pick. Obviously, if it's a first draft pick, they would have said, don't do that again. But I mean, he, I guess, was dispensable enough that they could send a message to the rest of the team and they yeah, they kicked them to the curb.


And again, I always suspect I mean, that's sort of my show business version of this, that when when somebody getting blockbuster ratings, then they suspend them, you know, after they make some, you know, some racially insensitive joke on the air. But if they're not doing well, they they cut them. And are they they cancel the show. And I always feel the same way about athletics as well. Right. So if this guy is on the bubble, pardon the pun, he's gone when he brings in his imposter lady.


But if he's if he's a what what they think is going to be in our all pro, he's not going anywhere, but they would still have to slap him on the hand and they do some sort of fine. And whatever that is, does he get picked up by another squad and how do they bust them?


They Cottam, it's it's weird, it's kind of, I gather, Big Brother ish because it wasn't like another player narked on them or anything. They saw him on a camera somewhere, which is which also I get to your point, like, yeah, hey, players, we see where you are, even if you don't think we know where you're, where you are. This is in nineteen seventy four level bed checks like in there. What's 10:00 p.m. while you're in bed.


So I guess what else are we going to do about that. I guess they can put a little cap that little cameras all over the place and see if people are trying to do some nonsense. The thing that occurred to me, though, is I felt like it showed me up a little bit, because if people keep talking about, myself included, I'm like, listen, these guys are in their 20s. You know, they you know, they have all the money and everything that they're built like professional athletes.


So women like them and all that kind of stuff. Like you expect these guys to just shut it down for four or five months. And then I realized, like, wait, who's saying that? Me like I mean, it would not be it would not be that big a sacrifice over the course of my life if they said, like, please try not to love on a woman for the next four months to be like even if I wanted to, I don't think there's a woman out there that's going to meet me halfway.


I mean, would this be such a challenge for you to to endure four or five months in favor of playing, playing your favorite sport?


Well, David, I've told you in no uncertain terms that as I get older, these thoughts creep in and you hear about people going snowboarding. You hear about people even just going down to the park on a Sunday and getting in a pickup basketball game. And I started thinking, as you get older, you go, I may never do that again. You know, it's not like you're going to take 20 years off and then I'll pick it up in my 70s.


It's more like my days of going down to the park on a Sunday and just getting in a pickup game. That may be something I never do again. I, I may never wakeboard. And the harsh reality I had the other day is I will probably never sixty nine again.


I cannot fathom how you can you you David you are you have quite an imagination. You give me the scenario. I'm all ears.


I want to know how this manifests itself. I'd like to know what happened.


Do I have a dental dam or don't. Because that's going to determine my next step there.


Yes, I it's on my list of things that may never happen again in my life. It's such a great point.


Yeah, we talked about that. Yeah. I declared that I it was that was a harsh slap of reality where I realized, like I think I've done ever playing pickup basketball because I'll probably ruin I'd rip an Achilles to the next level.


There's the email you get from the dads and they go, we're going to do a thing down at the thing that's that's not going to the park and get into a pickup game. Then there's there's the old dad version of this watch that that's still on the table, though. It's getting pushed close to the edge, but there is no more heading down to the park and find some moose and, you know, shirts and skins. Right. By the way, the player was an undrafted free agent.


So I guess it made it like that. He was drafted.


Yeah. That makes it very easy to let him go then. I thought he was drafted late.


But yeah, I also then summons for me the phenomenon that has existed. It's one of those things that everybody kind of signed off on, it seems like one hundred years ago. And it's like, well, yeah, that's that's the smart thing to do. If you're a boxer and you're training for the next six weeks like no vagina until until fight night, where do you come down in the calendar year. Twenty, twenty eight. Like is this if I could tell you like one guy they're of equal there have equal talents.


These two guys about the fight one has not had, has not touched a woman in six months. The other one has been rolling in vaginas for the last half year. Who do you think has the advantage there.


Well they used to say back in the day like, oh, it weakens your knees. He's weak in the knees because he's been having sex. I did like Joe Willie name. Hey, guys, had too much sex. You can't play on Sunday. Obviously, there's no physiological thing that's going on. But I would I would argue that there's a psychological, emotional component, especially in the fight game. The guy hasn't been laid in six months. That guy's angry.


He's like a caged tiger pacing back and forth. And that guy is going to take out all his pent up anger and maybe allow maybe he'll be too aggressive, though.


And that's when you get a counterpunch because, yeah, I look at easy and loose.


Yeah. Oh, you're going to be overly aggressive.


You know, make them out now. Now I'm going to he's pent up, he's angry, he's going to take it on his opponent, the other part that I sort of was fond of from watching Hard Knocks last that first episode was, you know, what I enjoy about life? The bigger, stronger and more aggressive you are as a human being, the bigger your Trappes deltoids and biceps are, the more trouble you have with the cotton swab in your nose.


There's a it's true. There's a there's a straight line between the more you can squat and the more you can do a military press with and your discomfort about having a, you know, smallish Asian woman putting a cotton swab in your nose, those guys couldn't handle it. And I think there's something going on. But you tell me I go ahead.


If you grow up and you're like a sickly kid and you're kind of a nerd and you're asthmatic, you grow up being probed and entrapped and having stuff put in you. That's that's a daily occurrence almost. Right. I mean, it's just that that is your life. If you're one of these guys, you've never really had guys putting hands on you that way. You know, you should have your show stout. You're so strong. You're not in that thing where it's like, well, he's got to go in and he's got to get his asthma medication.


He's got to be checked for allergies or whatever. You just you're not in that world. You're in a world of fight it out in the trenches. And that's something you can control. This is something you can't control. It's like being killed by a mosquito. You know, these guys are used to doing battle with other gladiators and somehow the US psychologically and sort of physiologically, we're used to just being sort of told what to do and probed and go wait in line.


And they've not you know, they're twenty four and they've never had that and their life. And now it's time.


Boy, that's a great point because I did bring this up to Cousin Sal, the same thing that Aaron. Donald, it's weirdly ironic, isn't it, that this that this legend of the game, one of the toughest guys and the toughest sport, reacted when he got a pinprick in his arm to get blood drawn? Was I like Donald reacts that way. But you're exactly right because. Right, Aaron.


Donald, nobody ever gave him a wet Willie. Like, I feel violated like that. You know, that was seventeen times a week for domestic, like, yeah, I got to get into whatever or if it's I can't resist. Yeah. Anyway, just go ahead. Aaron thought that just explained it. Nicely done. Thank you.


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