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They showed up. Yeah. Fenet salvage that party. Good to see you again, Nick. Yeah, good to be on, thanks. I think the last time we spoke was untaken in New York, getting ready to walk over the volcano, which I think we all saw on TV.
I live. Yeah. How was it walking over that volcano? It was good, it was everything that I expected it to be other than, you know, as we talked about, I think ABC requires me to work together, which is definitely not something that I would ever choose to do. So that kind of takes away from it, at least for me, because of family history, et cetera. But, you know, the walk itself was amazing just to be able to look down.
I talked about it on the air, but look down into that that lake of 20 magma is as crazy as a dream come true for me. Yeah.
The tether you speak of is they had a safety tether, which doesn't keep you on the wire, but if you fall off, it keeps you from going into the volcano. Although I bet there are some natives around there that wanted you to fall into the volcano so they could have a good harvest next spring.
But yeah, quite that's quite possibly the truth. But the tether, you don't like walking with it. That's a network thing. That's not that's not a nickel. That's correct. Yes.
And or if you watch me walk over the Grand Canyon and Chicago skyscrapers when I broke a couple of world records was untethered. And that was because Discovery Channel would allow me to walk without a tether. However, every time I walked on ABC over Niagara Falls in Times Square and the latest walk over that volcano, I had to wear tether.
It's very interesting. It's funny because I know, you know, networks just have attorneys and you asked them, can you do this? And some networks go now, you can't do that. And then others would go, yeah, you know, Spike TV go, yeah, go ahead, light yourself on fire.
Actually, unfortunately, Spike TV doesn't have the pockets. They're not deep enough to afford to fund a walk like that. Otherwise, trust me, I spike TV because I would have to wear that tether. But yeah, look, the reality is I went into many meetings with the legal team at Disney and actually went all the way up the chain to the top and thought I was going to get an approval to walk without one for that volcano and ended up two days prior finding out that I had to wear a safety.
Well, if you had any waves at all, your first move would be to pull out just a big thing, a bolt cutters, just pull it out of your backpack and just snap it right in front of the man and stare right into the camera like Jim Morrison on Ed Sullivan. That's right.
The conversation. I'll never forget the conversation I had just before I got on the cable over Niagara Falls. And it was with the president of news at ABC. And he said, I want you to understand, if you remove this tether, A, you will not be paid, and B, I will lose my job.
So please keep it down or allow these to put a D to put a different spin on it for anyone out there who even remotely was the armchair acrobat saying, oh, we as each other, you know what, you put on a tether, you do the same thing. Be my guest. I'd love to see you walk over a volcano. You have a tether. Go for it.
Well, look, the reality is, if I had to use that tether rescue would have been nearly impossible. And talk about this in safety meetings with with the network. But the reality was because of the way it was rigged over that volcano and the fact that volcanoes aren't exactly designed to walk a wire over the tether would have pulled me out away from that wire, probably about thirty five or forty feet while my rescue team, the only means of them rescuing me is on that main cable that I'm walking on.
So the reality is they wouldn't have been able to get to me anyways. Again, we didn't really talk about that. Of course, there was a reason why, but that's just the reality of it all, is it would have swung way over to one side.
It'd be a great TV where although although that would be a sucky, lousy way to die, where is the obviously you're always planning your next walk and I'll let you think about that for a second. The book is Facing Fear. Step out in faith and rise above what's holding you back. God, never. We've never been a more timely book than this, by the way. You can preorder it now on Amazon. It'll be available September 15th. I've been talking to people all the time, like we've lost our relationship with danger and fear.
And we're we're bringing you right in the middle of it right now. So we're being affected greatly by this. I played a college professor on yesterday's show who is explaining he's not going back to college to teach at the University of North Carolina because it's like walking into a burning building. And I thought this guy's grown up with too many ideas and too much air conditioning and not enough things that could actually hurt him. So he's so there's two things that happen when you grow up in an environment free of things that can actually hurt you.
One is you start creating things that can hurt you and then be and this is the one that's mostly true, is you can't gauge the danger of things. You know, there are people that are scared to swim in the ocean because they think they're going to get bit by a shark, you know what I mean? But we understand that math and we understand that, you know. Going to get bit by sharks, you can they don't the people are scared to go in the ocean, have a gauge issue and this teacher who doesn't want to go back into the classroom is having a gaging issue.
It's not that covid doesn't exist and sharks don't exist. They don't know how to properly process it. And the news doesn't help. Sorry. Go ahead. Whether it's sharks or sharks or really.
Right. In fact, I've been doing a lot of these over the last couple of weeks and I've been telling people, stop if you want to. If you want to stop being fulfilled with fear, stop watching the news and listening everything that you hear and start researching it on your own. You know, that's the problem. As you said, with society, we feel like we can just jump in a bubble or stay in a bubble and be safe.
The reality is that that life happens whether we like it or not. And the likelihood of that professor getting contracted coronavirus walking into a grocery store or Wal-Mart as opposed to at school, I would say the odds are just as well or better. So, as you said, timing is everything. And when I started writing this book, it was because we had this this horrendous accident where we fell a few years back and five of my family members fell to the ground.
My sister was was severely injured, actually, five of them were, but she'd broken every bone in her face. She was in a coma, didn't think she would be. And I got back on the wire the next day. I had an event. I do a lot of motivational speaking from the wire where a business will rent out an arena and I'll actually walk on the wire and speak from that wire. And I perform for six weeks. But what I didn't realize is that that that small seed of fear was planted in my head when that accident happened and I was avoiding it, burying it, and that that after about six weeks off, I got back on the wire and started feeling a feeling that I didn't realize existed.
It was never in my DNA, which is fear. And it came to the point where I told my wife, I don't think I can ever get on the wire again because I'm done. I'm so gripped by fear, I don't think I can do this. And I'll never forget the conversation that I had with her. My wife comes from eight generations of a circus background. She holds a couple of Guinness World Records for things like hanging by her teeth and a helicopter over Niagara Falls.
And so she understands she has the same passions that I work for, entertaining and inspiring.
And she said she goes, you know, your family history dates back to the seventeen eighties and they've always lived by the words the show must go on. You live by the words never give up. And you say you do what you do to inspire people that nothing is impossible. And here you're going to cave in to this fear that has gripped your mind. And I remember being in tears and saying, I don't you know, you're right, but I don't feel like I can overcome this.
And it was at that point that I started just recollecting my family and my great grandfather getting back on the wire after he lost two family members and one uncle was paralyzed in an accident at sixty two. Yet sneaking out of the hospital and getting back on the wire and thinking about all those people in the letters and the emails that I get after my events with people that are inspired. And and I thought, you know, you're right, I need to overcome this.
But not only do I need to overcome this fear and deal with this process, but I need to do it so I can help others that are hopefully dealing with the same thing, that they'll be able to hopefully get through it. But I really wrote it to people like that are at work that are miserable every day that say, I got to go to work today and I know that I'll get a check fraud. So it's well worth it. I'm not going to pursue my dreams.
I'm just going to settle for status quo. And I believe it's fear that's holding them back from actually leaving their job. And I tell people, look, in the book I talk about, you've got to use wisdom. You've got to be smart. Don't quit your job. But when I was pursuing the dream of carrying on this legacy, it wasn't like he was just handed to me. Here's the Wallenda name. Go out and make a living.
Not at all. My mom had written a book, The Last of the Wallendas in the eighties because she felt like there was no future. My parents pushed me away from the industry. I worked in a restaurant for seven years off and on as I was being that starving artist. My great grandfather wrote a book in the seventies and in the book he said, As a circus performer, one day you eat the chicken and the next day you eat the feathers.
And that's really true.
So what I will do, though, is step out of your comfort zone and pursue the calling that you feel like you have in your life. Pursue your dreams, because again, so many people give up just because they're willing to settle for status quo.
The tragedy that befell your family was the chair. That was it.
The seven chair, the multiple chair, seven person. Yeah, chair pyramid. That's right. The seven person chair pyramid, which I've seen before. And the first. So you guys were the first to try this, right?
Yeah. My great grandfather created that pyramid back in nineteen forty forty seven actually they performed it until nineteen sixty two and then when they were performing it in nineteen sixty two in Detroit that pyramid collapsed and that's when two of my uncles were killed and one was paralyzed from the waist down.
And it's like is it three people on the bottom or two people on the bottom floor.
So it goes for then two and then one. So the two in the back and the two in the front on the bottom have a bar between them, somebody standing on each of those bars than a bar between those two and then someone on top of that.
And yeah. So right. We're looking at. Schematic of it was your sister up top? My sister was the third layer, so we did the same pyramid but added a layer of fourth layer. So everybody was standing other than the top person was my aunt. And she was sitting on the shoulders of the gentleman that was at the top.
My my sister was on the second level in the front, and it was there. Were you doing it without a net? We were yeah, I mean, that's our family history and that's tradition, and that's what we've always done. So we train downlow for every worst case scenario with wires moving. In fact, we train in some wind storms as we were training to break that record or actually we were breaking our own record and train sort of sort of for a slack wire and different movement.
We start low, then we go up about 10 feet, then 15, and then we go as high as we need to go. It's similar to my TV specials for the Grand Canyon, for example, I trained with 90 mile an hour winds because we've done studies that had shown that the winds wouldn't exceed fifty five miles an hour while I was out there. And in fact, I was hit with two or three gusts of forty eight miles an hour.
Wow. So let's let's circle back to fear, as so many people are kind of fear based. It's, you know, you have. In your DNA, this lack of fear that that but then it reared its ugly head after this horrible accident, I just sort of look at my two kids and I was literally having the conversation with my daughter and her friend last night when I was they like to go for drives in the middle of the night where they just crank Rianna and I drive them around town and we're driving past an old house.
And we were I was retelling the story about how my daughter used to like to get a running start. She dropped four on the on our bed, which is thirty thirty four inches off the ground is kind of high. And she just launched herself at me headfirst and she kept telling me to move back, move back. And I was like, I can't catch you. And I let her do a face plant, but my son would wouldn't do it.
He needed me to lean against the edge of the bed. He would literally run and laugh and then jump. But if I stepped one foot away, my daughter, I was seven feet away from the bed and she was like, move it back further. And I'm like, I'm not going to catch you from here. And she said, I don't care. Step it back.
And she'll they have this crazy, different relationship with fear that is ingrained in them. There's no reason it's not like anything happen.
It's just who they are. Yeah, no, I think that, look, we're all born with we're born with two fears, the fear of falling and loud noises that is in our DNA. But what most people would call fear I call respect. I think there is a healthy fear and there's an unhealthy fear. The healthy fear says when you walk up to the edge of the wire, it says, hey, that's dangerous. Be careful. That's a healthy thing.
You walk up to the edge of a building. You look both ways before you cross the street. That's important. We need to have that fear. And again, it can be called fear. It can be called respect. But I think that's a fine line between the two. But then there is an unhealthy fear that holds us back from doing things as well that we should do. And that was what I was talking about a few minutes ago, whether it be pursuing our dreams, pursuing something that that for some reason, you know, look, I could be I could be successful or what in my mind.
And of course, success is different, everybody. But if I would just step past that fear. But so many people are so scared to step through that and step out of those comfort zones that they'll never achieve full success in their minds or or really fulfill the calling of who they are or who they're supposed to be, in my opinion.
Which which brings true happiness, you know, would be nice if we could start cultivating a fear of languishing in a shitty job for 40 years. You know, like everyone always talks about the fear of starting their own business or quitting their job or whatever. As I as I think back on my life, I had a fear of having a shitty construction job my entire life. I had a fear of not being able to afford a sports car or go on vacations or do any of the things I wanted to do because I had this sort of low paying, you know, blue collar manual labor kind of a job.
So it's like in a weird way, me trying to get from carpentry to comedy was a fear based move, but it was a turn. The fear over kind of flip the script, kind of a fear move, which is I was fearful of of not making the move. And I think other people might be fearful of moving into this unknown low percentage job that may not pay you at all. But I think if you think about fear and I'm just saying this, anyone is listening, you know, where people have a.
Fear I could. My family's fear based, so I remember saying things like, I don't think I'm going to sell my house, I think I'm going to rent it out and buy a better house for me and get the income from the rent. And I remember my mom going, well, what if a bunch of bikers move in and start cooking up meth? And I was like, oh, you're fear based. My feeling is this. What if I get an extra six grand a month for nothing like you can take the fear.
It's kind of a two way street like everyone always is working. Worst case scenario, you quit your job and you don't make it as a singer or dancer or high wire walker or whatever it is. But think about the fear of just sort of languishing in the same go nowhere job for your adult life and then ending up in a casket that your son in law has to purchase as a callback.
But yeah, take the fear and kind of reverse it and put it pointed the other direction.
I will tell you, in my own life, I use fear to motivate me often. You know, if I'm if I'm intimidated or fearful to the point of being intimidated, generally, it means it's something I need to do because that's that's what drives me. If I'm fearful of speaking in front of a crowd, which I used to be, that meant I needed to get in front of that crowd every single day as much as I possibly can, even though I am shaking in my boots as I walk out on stage to speak to them, I need to do it.
And again, that is a driver for me. I'm using what use what somebody would consider negative, a negative fear of, you know, don't go out there because you can look like a fool and went, no, you know what? I'm going to go out there until I look like a genius.
Brian. Nick, I'm glad you mentioned that because I told this story up a handful of times on the podcast, there have been maybe a year or so. It's one of my favorite anecdotes. Jerry Rice, the one know, maybe the greatest football player ever to love, certainly the best wide receiver, you know, back in the 90s when it was no fair play without fear, can't play, can't be scared out there.
Jerry Rice would Dolphins would say his quote was, I was scared all the time. I was scared is going to drop the ball. I was scared to let my teammates down. I was early in his career. I was scared I was going to get cut because I missed the route wrong.
Like this is this is the greatest player to ever play the position.
And he used fear as a motivator. Yeah.
And I think I think that goes back to what I was talking about, fear and respect and how that is sort of a fine line because he respected the sport enough. He respected his fans enough. He respected his teammates enough and his opponents enough that he was willing that he was fearful. Again, that is important. I've been told. I don't know if it's true, but Elton John pukes in the trashcan before going on stage. He's not scared to go out there and do what he does.
He's the best in the world that what he does. But he still does it. And I believe that's because he wants to deliver to such a high level that he has that deep respect or what again, a lot of people would cower down to fear.
And just just as a personal anecdote, I never thought about the equating fear with respect. It makes perfect sense because you're I don't know, seven years ago, I went to a gun range for the first time, not a gun owner, no guns in the family made no sense for someone like me to do it. And of course, there's a little table. I shot it and the noise scared me. As you said, the loud noise scared me.
Mean, the kickback scared me so bad I dropped it on the table. At that moment I realized, well, looks like I got to start shooting guns. And I went to the gun range all the time, had lessons purchased and purchased a weapon.
And just I'm not I'm not Annie Oakley, but I'm no longer afraid of it. Yeah.
Yeah. I think I think a lot of people will not pursue things like that. Your failure to fear of being too scared to shoot a gun or or fear of failing in the job. And I always tell people, look, you can't be successful without fail. Your failure is just a stepping stone to success. You have to take those steps of failure. Every time that I've been knocked down, it's made me a better person, taught me so much more.
And it's led to success. You know, you can't get to the peak of the of the and you go through the valley and that's so true and so real. And people don't realize that they give up too soon. They give up because of that that voice of fear or that that sort of fear.
That's what I tell my kids. I'm like, look, of course, you're going to fall in a volcano now and again. But you get up, you dust yourself off and you get back on that horse. I understand. You just you get the magma, some of ash, but a different also. Yeah. If you get back on that high water, you know, there's another as we're exploring, exploring fear and I'm thinking about experiences I've had in my life because there's a whole bunch of different ways.
And I agree. I like people that have a little fear, a little fear of the guy. We all know the difference between going out to meeting a friend for lunch, the mister on time friend versus the role in ten minutes late friend. Right. And when you're driving to meet Mr. or Mrs. on time, usually, mister. And they're always on time, friend, you have a little fear of like I don't want to be late. I don't wanna make this person wait and like when I used to work.
When I used to work with Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy was so professional and he was so good at what he did and he was so prepared all the time that I had a fear of letting him down out of fear, like I was going to flub my cue cards and he was going to get his part. I knew he was going to get his perfectly. So I would sit in my room and read my cue cards over and over again because I have a fear of like stopping or having being interrupted or screwing up the bed or whatever it is we're doing.
I always had this sort of fear of letting him down. So, like, if you surround yourself with really talented people are like focused, hard working, dedicated, whatever, then you get a healthy fear of being the weak link or letting letting that person down. I know more better example than the seven man chair pyramid. I'm guessing you can't be the weak link in that endeavor, right?
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And that is that is one of the biggest challenges of that trick, is it's literally each of our lives are in the hands of six other people and we are trusting them. So as you can imagine, the team is very, very strong, very, very close on and off the wire. But there's a lot of trust there. And you certainly never want to be the weak link in that image. You know, as you talk about Jimmy Kimmel, I think that just that just proves that he was a great leader as well.
Yes. And great leaders cause other people to become great. That's the idea. You know, I've always said to my friends, look, if I make it, then I'm going to reach down and help you up. And if you make it, you help me up. And I always tell my kids, surround yourself with people that are that are better than you, that are smarter than you, that are more successful than you, because they will challenge you and they will cause you you know, they'll cause you to to work harder, to show up on time.
And in the end you'll become a better person. I talk a lot about in the book about positive and negative people and really negative people out of your life. Sometimes that's hard because sometimes it is family members and you have to get out of your life. But if you surround yourself with positive people, you'll generally be a happy person and enjoy life, whereas those that surround themselves with negative people generally have a very miserable life.
Yeah, it's interesting. Another observation of mine from observing my very fear based family, my mom and dad are very fear based. I had a conversation with my dad recently where he just said he basically said he was a coward. He just said he was scared of everything. And and because of that, he never really led a life because he was always worried I couldn't afford it or he didn't want to travel or he didn't want to do anything. But the thing that was it's an interesting tell, which is I'll use Jimmy back to the Jimmy example.
Jimmy surrounds himself with very high achievers who may even be higher up on the totem pole than than he is in the Cheesman department. And it's not just like a celebrity thing. It's just it's just a really high achieving people that then once you surround yourself with high achievers, whether you think about it consciously or not, there's a little judging going on. Like, again, you can't be late to the meeting. The high achievers don't abide by that or think about the people.
Think about the people who you know, and you've been to their home and their home is beautiful and they've done a wonderful job with it or whatever. And then at some point you find out that they're coming to your home and you're like, shit, we got to clean this dump up, like we got to get our shit together because I've seen the way this person lives. Now, when you go to someone's shitty apartment covered with cat hair, you don't have that same feeling when that person is then coming to your place.
So there's like a little healthy bit of that. And as I think about it, my mom and dad never had any friends. And if they had friends, there were always bigger losers than they were because that's the way they kept it, because those people never judged and they never asked any any questions. And if you start hanging around with people that are pretty successful and you start doing kind of unsuccessful things around them, they'll start asking, like, why are you later?
Why didn't you do this? Or How come you got divorced or how come you're not talking to your kids? They start asking, you know, are they see smoking or drinking too much? They will start saying things versus the ones that are lower than you who don't judge. So it's it's interesting that the fear manifests itself in a sort of physical way. But there's also kind of a social fear of hanging around with with people that might might tend to judge.
Yeah, absolutely, I agree with you 100 percent, I, I have the same situation with my family. Believe it or not, not fear of the wire, not fear for falling, but very fear based in life. In fact, my first book is called Balance. And it was really it was a balance in life. And I talk a lot about the fact that I was so I was raised so fear based. We toured the world so we'd be in a strange city every week and hear gunshots out the window.
And we were living in an RV downtown Detroit, that sort of thing. And we were my dad was so fearful that my mom would go to the grocery store or not come back in 30 minutes, anything if she was dead, ready to call the police. So I was raised that way. So that was passed on to me and early on in my marriage and now happily been married for over twenty two years. And we have three amazing children.
But throughout that time, younger, early on, I would let my wife do anything. I controlled her. But it wasn't because I didn't trust her, because I was so fearful of the surroundings. And it really was was what I learned was I had to let go of all of that. And it was a long process to actually learn that, hey, you know what? You're being controlled by fear. You live in an industry that you should be fearful at all, but you really are controlled by fear.
Did it take her flying on the bottom of a helicopter, flying her to realize she can take care of herself?
So it took it took her flying back to mom and dad's house and saying, figure it out, buddy. I'm not coming back. Good girl.
Well, you brought up balance. And I've been I'm a big fan of balance. I told there rode a unicycle for as long as I can remember and always balanced things and try to impress the high wire guy by a unicycle, right?
The whole nine inches off the ground that I did, I, I was very attracted to balance, maybe something I was good at or maybe I needed it my life. It's kind of a weird thing. I told you guys I needed structure my life so bad when I broke my shoulder, I kept going to football practice just to be around older guys and windbreakers who were giving me structure. And maybe I needed balance in my life so bad. I just started every chair I would sit in.
I would lean back and try to balance it every every every railing that was at a park. I'd jump up on it, try to walk it, you know, like I craved it. Maybe it's because of what was going on and in my home. But I've always said that balance is physical, but it's also kind of emotional. And people always talk about get a balance. You have to strike a balance between work and family, and you have to strike a balance between doing things for yourself and doing things for others or, you know, eating right and occasionally having having some pasta or whatever, like that balance, strike that balance.
We use it all the time. I think if you physically balance for ten minutes a day, it really does get the left side and the right side of your body sort of connected. You know, they say the reason you have all these great conversations are great thoughts when you're walking is because it's like your right side and your left side are moving and connecting. And I don't know the neuroscience of it, but there is a science to when you're walking, you're sort of functioning better in terms of your thoughts versus sitting on the on a beanbag.
But I think balance is a big deal, especially now. And I would encourage people to do just little dumb things. Like I talk about I have this endo board. It's just it's just a cylinder with the skateboard on it. I just get on it every night and just stand on it for five minutes, make little games where try to squat down and touch the ground and come back up again or or what have you. But I think I would encourage everyone to find some form of a little balance game too.
And you can do it anywhere and it doesn't take any time and all that. But thoughts, Nick, on on balance.
Yeah. Look, I agree with you 100 percent. I think balance is is a key to life in every aspect of life. And as you said, from a balanced diet all the way to I even I even take it even further. And when we are listening to whether it be politics or on the religious side, but having a balance and hearing both sides, I think so many people are so prone this day to go one direction. And that's just all it comes to the ballots.
And you're going to vote, you know, MRP, whether you like it or that's who I am. And that's through. Well, I encourage people to really do their research and have a balanced life in that aspect either. You know, even when it comes to listening to news, make sure you have a balanced news source to where you're able to to hear a little bit of every side. I think so much of life is one sided right now and it throws off our balance of life.
And that has nothing to do with the physical balance. But, you know, the fiscal balance is definitely a key to, especially as we get older. Look, I work with several geriatric doctors on a project a few years ago, and it was really about trying to get the elderly, elderly to do what you're just saying, get on a board and balance every. Because what they said is a large percentage, I don't remember the number of seniors die because they fall and break their hip and that's because they're out of balance.
So the reality is that if if we could get our parents to continue to work on their ballots as they get older. Look, my mom just my mom is sixty seven years old and just walk between two skyscrapers, one hundred and twenty feet up about four months ago with me without a safety. So she's pretty darn balanced. I'm not not so actually funny enough because of what she did being in the circus her whole life and doing splits and performing.
She actually had her hip replaced three months prior to that. And at 67, she was able to convince the doctor to get her Mubarrak titanium hip. It was for an athlete so that she'd be able to continue to perform.
But we're such losers. Now I'm getting off track.
But the reality is, yes, balance is extremely important in every aspect of life and want to feel even worse.
I think your mom, as I recall, would say so all your shoes or the family's shoes like make you can't go out there in Corky's or Keds or New Balance, even though you think that'd be a hell of a shoe for walking the wire.
You got to wear these leather soled kind of ballet shoes and you're like your mom would physically make them for you. Like what?
So this is ash from the volcano and dust from that cute Little Rock. Wow. So the actual ones that I wore and that my mom made for that wall.
I hate you. I mean, I hate my mom. I hate my mom. Let's face it. I'm jealous of your mom. My mom would never show me shows ever. I'm going to try. I'll try. Next time I see her, I'm going to go. Hey, old woman, I need some new shoes. How about some shoes? How about some shoes?
So it's show I. How insane is the sort of spectrum of human beings, you know what I mean. Like the crazy. Your mom. My mom. Are they both humans? Can they be from the same genetics? Can they be on the same planet at the same time? There's they're so far away yet, you know, they both speak English and like cheese on a ranch, you know, and probably enjoy some of this. They both probably would enjoy Hamilton.
How they get so fucking different, how they get so fucking far apart, why not get the lenders?
Is the whole spectrum the stinky and Flenderson, the lion, the lion.
You can you can also do a thing with a yoga ball where you just try to get up on your knees on the yoga ball. If you're good, you can stand on it. But if you just want to try to get up on the yoga ball and just put your knees on it, just kind of just kind of do it that way. Let me add to that. This is me standing on a yoga ball.
Yeah. My finger makes me I have to stand on the ball and curl away.
And that's the way I stood on the yoga ball and had a guy throw me a medicine ball. I think that's that was my move. Although I'm not nice.
I'm not I'm old and I'm not that good at it anymore. But I used to be able to use to throw it as hard as you want it at me before it fell off.
But go on your knees on the yoga ball are going one of those I keep calling it an endo board, Max.
A pattern that's right. Now companies to make them.
Well, I've seen if you want to make shift when I've seen somebody take a skateboard and then put it like a two liter of filled with water, just filter soda.
Just that for me. Yeah. But that underneath and you can, you can do it that way so.
So in the in the circus, we call that a teeter board, a teeter board, right. And Rollerball as another name for putting by a piece of PVC at any local hardware store and just by a foot of it. And then just just a board is a two by six and two and a half feet long. And on that.
Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Janah question about kids, because a lot of us deal with little ones at this point.
And it always seemed like, at least anecdotally because I my balance is for shit, but it was it when I was little and I was in dance and I was in ballet and I was in tap and you know, we have a little one here and it just seems like inherently, yes, they trip over their own feet every once in a while or walk into a wall.
But in general, their balance is really good. How do we how do we how do we encourage that or do we just sort of lose it like we lose our imagination as we become adults?
Yeah, I think the only reason why we lose it is because we can we we discontinue practicing those things like ballet, etc., you know, we stop doing that stuff because life gets too busy. I think, you know, as Adam is saying, it's about getting on that balance board every night. You know, it's about if you practice anything, you'll maintain it. And I think as a child, you know, we're catlike. We land on our feet no matter what.
So again and we're on our feet, we're trying new things and we're constantly moving and testing and sampling. And the reality is, if we continue to be that, you know, that's creative, if you will, with our lives and that active, then we would maintain that balance.
Yeah. Yeah. In it it's not even ten minutes a day or night. It's three minutes. They could just stand on it for three minutes to play one Beatles song and just just stand on it and go back and forth. And it just kind of aligns you a little bit, kind of gets your right side and your left side, gets your hemispheres kind of working together. And it doesn't it's not a big calorie burner. You know, you got it covered in sweat or anything.
And it's just I don't know, it's a nice little thing to probably do. It probably be a good thing to do before you walked out on stage or before you had to give a presentation or anything just to kind of get yourself aligned.
Like Tony Robbins was on stage dances on a mini tramp, major rebellion. And it's a jazz.
It's his assistant. Yeah. Look, I'm not here to judge, but she's not a tall guy. He's a guru.
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All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll do some news right after this. With great news, with Genographic break by all those crazy Trump tweets, give me Gina Obrad, trouble in the Middle East celebrity meltdown. Gina, Gina. The news with Genographic. Well, Bill Cosby has filed a new appeal in the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania for the damndest of reasons, according to page six. His attorney argues that his trial was not fair because it allowed five accusers to give decades old testimony that swayed the jury against him.
But wait, there's more. They also argue it was unfair to have included a deposition he gave in an old civil suit regarding his use of Quaaludes and sexual behavior because he believed the testimony was essentially immune from prosecution.
Because you guys sort of just generally like me in that there's just no way this could happen to Henry Winkler. You know, like if your thing was like, hey, man, I've been married to the same woman for 41 years. I mind my business and I'm a gentleman, like, it's just it's impossible. Like there's a way humans think. And I'll bring it around to this covid thing. But it's like someone was saying to me, they sent me a tweet.
They're like, oh, just because you don't know anyone who got covid or no one who got sick by it or none of your family members are sick or none of your friends are sick, that's that then affects your decision making. And I go, yeah, I factored in, like, the same way I would factor it in if a bunch of people I knew dropped dead, but I would factored in big time, you know, I mean, like, I factor everything in.
And this notion of like there's a whole bunch of people are saying the same thing about Bill Cosby. I'm sort of like he deserves a day in court. But I tend to believe that this is what happened because a whole bunch of people are saying the same thing. And it would be absurd if you think about it like we just picked out. Going back to my dad, how could this ever work on my dad? I mean, how could this ever work on someone who just never engaged in it at all?
Brenda Shakr, you got to be somewhere around there now.
Maybe not every story's exactly as it was told, but you have to be alone with a lot of women and you have to have sex with a lot of those women.
Right? Yeah, well, and and the two reasons given are a.
Those stories are really old. And B, hey, I thought I had immunity that was supposed to count.
Yeah. So these are flimsy defenses, right?
It's a weird argument for really anything, which is. But the time ran out like, yeah, I did it. But it's been long enough arguing that a technicality is always Yeah.
Kind of rubs me the wrong way, like oh that shouldn't count is too old or I was promised I wouldn't come back to haunt me or whatever it was.
Hmm. Yeah. Although I think his first. God, he did do like a deposition with somebody where it was supposed to be sealed or something, and it was a lot of the information from that deposition that didn't come back to get him. But anyway, loophole, you know, I think Dr. Drew once said to me that you don't want the female urinary tract, I think from zero to 60 and you don't want the male urinary tract from 60 beyond or some version of that kind of made sense to me at the time.
You would like Bill Cosby's life from zero to 70, but not from 70 on. Oh, no. Right.
Mm hmm. All right. All right.
So let's talk a little bit of covid, but mostly some Foushee news, some vaccine news. First of all, Vladimir Putin's claim that Russia has the first coronavirus vaccine ready to be administered was met with worldwide skepticism by Dr. Fauci. Certainly he's not buying it. The country's top infectious disease expert is casting doubt on the science and safety of the Russian vaccine and believes they're taking an unnecessary risk. Because we talked about Putin says he's already given it to his daughter.
She says he hopes Russia has, quote, actually dealt with definitively proven that the vaccine is safe and effective. I seriously doubt they've done that, he added. The U.S. is working on a number of vaccines and quote, If we wanted to take the chance of hurting, a lot of people are giving them something that doesn't work. We could start doing this, you know, next week if we want to do. But that's not the way it works.
So that's his feelings on Russia saying we're first good, those college kids on that Russian stuff, the good Russia, so we can salvage the PAC 12 season. That's right. Hardy stock. Yes, I can handle it.
That was the other thing I was thinking when they said, you know, they're testing this on whoever and then by October, it'll be essential workers and whatever in Russia.
Do you get a choice or do they just come to your house and say you'll be taking a vaccine now?
I was going to say, imagine being in Russia and like, refusing the vaccine. Yeah, I think it goes well for you. Yeah, I don't know.
I'm I'm I'm so I'm always I'm surprised that we have Russia and we have China or even Haiti, like, I'm surprised at all these places exist in what I consider modern times, you know, like when I was a kid. If you you know, if you got hold of me in 1977 and you talk to me about the year 2020, I would think I would think of a sort of utopia, I guess with technology is solved. Every problem we have.
And I wouldn't even thought in terms of different governments running different ways or having these kind of regimes and those kind of regimes, like in it's amazing. In 2020, like. Technology does something which it it sort of shapes things like literally like every so and in World War Two, if you looked at a Japanese plane or German plane or a plane from the United States or an English plane, there are all very distinct and different. So you take a look at the Spitfire that was going up against the Messerschmitt, that was going up against the zero, that was going up against one of the many American planes, a Mustang or something that some similarities, but they have very distinct differences.
And then as the jet age sort of kicked in and the computer started kicking in, they became they all just became one thing, one sort of, because there were only one thing that worked in the wind tunnel. And a computer told you like there's or another subject I rarely speak about, but race cars.
OK, permit me just this once.
When you look at the stuff that Porsche offered versus Ferrari offered versus Ford offered in the 60s and the 70s, there were very different looking vehicle. They had their different ideas on what it would take, what aerodynamics were at two hundred and forty miles an hour on the Mulsanne straight was different to Porsche than it was to Ferrari, and they looked different. And then a certain point, if you look at Lima, race cars turn out now they've just all kind of looked the same because the computer tells you, here's the shape you need to be in to go the fastest down the Mulsanne straight.
And it's that way with fighter jets as well. But I thought nations were kind of going to be that way. I thought, like the computer says, here's the best way to run a country, you know, a democracy where people have a vote and you elect, you know, this diverse group of people and people have some skin in the game and they have incentive to pay their taxes and blah, blah, blah. I didn't know there'd be all these, like warlords and and fucking despot leaders and horrible, you know, regimes, oppressive regimes.
Like I just thought by 2020 would all kind of sort its way out. We'd all just pick the best way. The best way is, you know, Western Europe and US and Canada and stuff. And you go, OK, and that's the way it works. I'd like to live there. It's just sort of loosely based on where would you like to live versus where would you not like to live. Did you guys anticipate this much this late in this modern times over the debate would be over by now.
You know, we would all agree or least have some version of something that worked for everyone.
Yeah, for the most part. I mean, I don't know or thought, oh, the Middle East is fixed. But in general, I think, yeah, we expected more.
I didn't know Russia would still be Russia and China is China and Mexico is getting worse in the Middle East seems to be worse. And parts of Africa for sure like this, a lot of territory here.
That is a long ways away from figuring out whatever it is we started to figure out a couple of hundred years ago how I'm actually shocked and I don't know enough about politics to debate anyone on this.
But are you guys surprised that we still only have a two party system? Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, I am. Of course, feels like the potential exists for a third party. I'm making air quotes of like celebrity is the new third party like Donald Trump probably could have run as an independent Kanye West. You know, I mean, he's not going to make a massive impact.
What I'm saying is I think there's room there in the future, in the near future for someone who's just a celebrity and Oprah or someone like that who just like, yeah, I'm fucking well known, I have to be a Democrat or Republican.
I'm rich and famous.
Yeah. Just seems a little a little archaic, you know, because people are like, you know, with the between Trump or Schwarzenegger, whoever, it's like you're just kind of picking one. It doesn't really matter. So it's weird that there's only too well, we can all agree that we're disappointed.
But I got to tell you, one thing we shouldn't be disappointed about is hamburger's I feel like there are more choices. They're open longer. And I don't know if you guys have noticed, but it seemed to me and maybe it's a covid thing, I'm kind of curious what you guys think. A few years ago, McDonald's kind of seemed to be were I don't know, Budweiser was, which is, yeah, they're big and they're ubiquitous, but no one I know wants a Budweiser.
They want their craft beer IPA or whatever it is. And they're getting the good stuff and and in McDonald's seem to feel kind of lost its luster a little like from when you were a kid. And my kids want to go to in and out burger and blah, blah, blah. I've been noticing since this covert thing walking through airports, I've seen lines for McDonald's now and I was driving to work yesterday and there's a McDonald's up the street from my house.
And I was so I was confused as to what the line of cars were for. I thought it was for like covid testing or something. It was the McDonald's drive through. I mean, there were thirty five cars. And I thought to myself, is this covid thing getting us all back to that comfort familiar. Like I want that filet of fish and it's like I didn't want to play a fish before this. Now I yearn for the days of the flying fish.
Is that what's going on? I believe that to be 100 percent correct on the drive back from Sedona, the eight hour drive back, we stopped P and Chris is like, oh, I'm going to get a Diet Coke at the drive thru McDonalds off the highway. Obviously not a huge line, but then she was enlarger.
You know, I'm going to cheeseburger like you are in McDonald's cheeseburger. I'm going to cheeseburger. Got three bites into it. This is disgusting. But it was, like you said, the psychological this is this is comfort food. This is you know, this is what we all remember. Yeah.
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You know what else? Well, speaking of balance in the world, which I think we're sorely lacking now, scientists, Foushee, other guys that just speak on the topic of vaccinations and covid-19 just just giving the data are getting death threats. So Falchi is one of them. And now he and his family require round the clock security in the face of harassment and death threats from people angry over his guidance on the pandemic. Valge and Trump administration officials have often held opposing views on how best to contain the virus, which at this point there's a day or two ago infected roughly four point eight million people in the U.S. subsequent to Johns Hopkins public safety guidelines, like wearing face covering social distancing, avoiding big crowds, they've become a point of contention with many people, Valge said in a recent interview on the subject that there's a degree of antiscience feeling in this country, which he believes is related to a mistrust in authority that spills into science being looked at as an authoritative figure.
He's getting death threats for talking about the vaccine.
Yeah, he has. He has security around the clock security, actually.
That's why I threw in, you know, scientists in general, because on Teresa and my podcast, we just talked about Dr. Osterholm, who's another scientist, that infectious disease scientist that speaks about this constantly. And he said, if I don't get a death threat, it's a good day. And these are just, you know, scientists at universities, mild mannered dudes talking about data.
Did he get Max better? Did he start getting death threats after the Jim Jordan thing? Because I think that's what I think that's what set it off.
I mean, it's not saying when he's actually being very private about like the exact specifications, but, yeah, they they him and his daughters have been getting them lately.
I started hearing it after he got into this, I don't know, Dust-Up with Jim Jordan, and that's when I first started hearing about it. So and I think those are the maybe the religious people who don't like him talking about church or something like that. I don't I think it's I think this is the Arctic to cancel culture.
I think that started with the Jim Jordan the testimony I think he gave. I think we did it when we're in our daqui. Yeah.
I mean, the story really broke in August, like last week. So that's not right. Time line.
Is that about right? I don't know what the date is anymore. Yeah, exactly. These twelve that was during dark week.
So when was that Jim Jordan stuff was out like on a Friday or Yazaki on Friday for that. Yeah.
Yeah. I think, I think that Jim Jordan stuff is what's causing it or most of it. I don't think it's I don't think it's vaccine. I think I think that Jim Jordan discussion. Debate is what got people fired up.
Well, earlier I get your point so quickly, I found a story from April 2nd saying Nation's top coronavirus experts are actually forced to beef up security as death threats increase.
Now, so before the Jim Jordan thing. So this an old story, I guess. Well, maybe he's him.
He's talking about it now that it's been beefed up. Its around the clock. It's for his family as well.
Well, I think we can both be right, because I think I heard that after he got into this Jim Jordan argument that kicked in so maybe kicked into overdrive. For maybe I don't think is there any such thing as being in an official, in public or anything these days and sharing opinions, that's not going to require you having security.
Good to know we're so into political discourse and and having a conversation with dignity, I, I was thinking about because now there's also all these like city officials are trying to, you know, defund the police or adjust the budget, who also are asking for more security simultaneously. That's right.
Because was that Mike Bonnen or something in our. Yeah, there's a lot of that. I mean, of course, they're human beings. They they don't want a mob coming to their house. So they want they want the security. I was thinking about I was thinking about it last night. I just thought, if you guys want to know how I think about everything all the time, this is exactly my thought process. I thought, well, what would defunding the police or not defunding, but significantly cutting a police and getting less having less police essentially on the street, what would that do?
And I thought to myself, well, let's say there was one police officer for every citizen in the United States. Where would crime be like? How much crime would we have for violent crime or any kind of crime? And I go, well, probably not. If there was just a cop, if you were literally assigned to every person assigned, every person you have, no you have no violence and no whatever, but you got OK, I wouldn't want that.
But you'd go where would you be statistically with cops, with violence or with crime, you know, and not. OK, well then let's just go extreme. What if there were one cop for every 50 million citizens, what would that do to crime or violent crime and why violent crime would go up because there'd be less police and there'd be more nefarious behavior.
So now I think we have our answer, which is getting rid of cops shall create more of this, more of the more the crime that you're trying to get rid of. Now, the balance is what you're trying to is what you're trying to strike. But I assume if you get rid of cops or you cut back on cops, there's just going to be more there's going to be more crime in the places where you bring back the cops, which I think we're seeing.
Falchi says he and his family have been getting threats for the last few months. I've never seen anything on his work, his life or anything. In July.
He even he called the threats at the time, quote, a little bit disturbing.
And now I can hear him saying, yeah, you know, can we hear Foushee saying it's a little bit disturbing to just be calm?
Well, anyway, let's get it together. People leave Foushee alone.
Speaking of to your point, police, you know, in Seattle where all hell's broken loose for a while, they did vote to defund the police and, you know, by by an extreme amount of money and and manpower and guess who's quitting? Who I think just had enough of this shit. She was in the spotlight for a minute. They're defending her, her you know, her precinct and she's done is the police chief, Carmen Best, who we saw a lot of in the news.
I don't know if you saw her.
She's a black female thing. Yeah.
Yeah. And she's just said I'm out now. Yeah. I don't know what people are expecting out of, like, getting rid of the cops. I would say the or bringing them reining them in quite a bit. I, I think in just the small experiment we've conducted over the last couple of months, I don't think it's a good outcome to chop looked at, looked at. I was doing I was doing a show earlier today, I was doing a house on the house and a guy called in from Portland and he's like, my office was downtown Portland.
You can't really go down there. Like it's like you can't use the office. And I thought, oh, that's wonderful, Bryan. Yes. Yeah, back to the original story for a second, it's funny, Adam, that you said, I don't know if it was a happy accident or Freudian slip or just the way you think. But like you said, you know what? Fox is getting these ridiculous death threats for expressing his opinion. It's funny because he's not expressing his opinion.
He's a scientist and he's expressing data and statistics. And I think I said it for on the show, I'm in a fucking it's going to become a fucking mantra.
Everyone says, oh, we're so divided. We're so divided these days. There is a fucking entire intellectual schism in this country that is fucking crushing this country. It's fucking one hundred six thousand people dead because anti intellectualism where it's like people think it's fucking forty's his opinion. That's the problem. They're getting death threats. You can't you know, for you know more than me, you're not better than me. Yes, he is. He's a fucking science.
And shut your mouth and listen to him.
Well, that's why he said that science is being looked at as an authority figure, you know, like authority figures.
Yeah, well, in this country, I hate to shit on your point, but the beef that that a lot of people are having with Foushee is he's he's saying no churches and no gatherings. And then when they say to them, well, then how about protests? He goes on, I don't have an opinion on that. And that's the problem. So now that isn't science. So his science, first thing he backs off of when they ask him about what?
About protests, then if you don't like large gatherings, then will you come out against protests?
And he says now, is that the Jim Jordan exchange you're talking about?
Yeah, that's the Jim Jordan exchange that's in the death threats he got between April and August.
No, I'm not saying I'm clear on this. He had it long before that. I'm saying he's not sticking wholly to science. He's weaving some policies in here. He's not going just on science. If he's going just on science, he's saying no gathering's and that includes protests.
I'll that's what got a lot of people agitated.
I'm acknowledging that I'm ignorant to that. It happened we on a dark week and I didn't see it. So.
Yeah, well, it's it's all getting it's all getting politicized. But his his his science is is science, but it's also political as well. He's not just going straight science. He's working some policies. And as well, I don't know. Do you have that Maxo pada I'm getting right.
If you were on the up and up on this while you were at a chakra resort, I would drive there and smack you and you did not say, all right, I'll let Max define that exchange.
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You got that exchange. Yeah, I saw it. Somebody it was trending. I think the day we had our dark week are the Monday we had our it was the Friday we were heading up.
Oh it's a Friday of the dark week.
Sorry. Mr. Chairman, Dr. Fauci, do protest increase the spread of the virus, you protest, increase the spread of the virus? I think I can make a general statement about half a million protesters on June six alone. I'm just asking that number of people just increase the spread of the virus. Crowding together, particularly when you're not wearing a masks, contributes to the spread of the virus. Should we limit the protesting? I'm not sure what you mean.
Should we how do we say limit the protesting the government, limit the protesting? I don't think that's relevant to what you just said. If it increases the spread of the virus. I'm just asking. Should be limited. Well, I'm not in a position to determine what the government can do in a forceful way where you make all kinds of recommendations. You know, you make comments on dating, on baseball and everything you can imagine. I'm just asking you.
You just said protest, increase the spread. I'm just asking you, should we try to limit the protest? I think I would leave that to people who have more of a position to do that. I can tell you government stopping people from going to church. Dr. Falchi. Yeah. Last week in the Calvary Chapel case, I got on that, that that's where the curfuffle are.
One of the kerfuffles came about.
You know what's funny about those?
It doesn't matter who it is, is interviewing who in that it doesn't matter what side you're on, if you're a Democrat, Maryland Republican or other way around, everybody doesn't matter who you're affiliated with, has the same smirk when they're sitting up on there and interrupting and looking around and being cool.
And it doesn't matter if it's if it's Maxine Waters or Kamala Harris or Jim Jordan, it's how can you not feel superior when you're up there and just ready to interrupt and roll your eyes and do all of it?
Yeah, I think file a claim here. I think you'd go, you know what? I don't think I don't think protesting is healthy as it pertains to this. But what are you going to do? People have rights, you know what I mean? Right. There is a way to do it. All right.
When you when you search that video, there are all the headlines are different. Jim Jordan hammers or owns Dr. Fauci and another one, Dr. Phil Jones, Jim Jordan.
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Yeah, absolutely. It was a challenge. A few months we went from promoting Russian ping pong and marble race and all this other crazy stuff. I had never in my wildest dreams I thought I'd be handicapping. But now, you know, we got the MBAs back. The playoffs are almost here, NHL, MLB with a shortened regular season and the NFL is right around the corner. College football, we'll see for planning on it this year. We'll all the odds for.
Yeah, I think we're all kind of waiting to see. So you better move on it quickly because seasons could be shortened or altered. And yeah, it really has been missed. Just the excitement of kind of involving yourself. How about, you know, baseball with extra teams getting into the postseason. And you mentioned the the shortened season. I mean, we know about Yankees, Dodgers. We know the favorites, but there has to be a chance, some good opportunities for some sleeper teams that might have better pitching that just get in the door and then all of a sudden work their way to maybe a major upset, make it to the the World Series.
Know, and we saw that. We know. We saw that ever since, you know, we've had the World Series odds up all throughout the months where sports were kind of down, but we still had all the futures up and we saw that as as news of the sports coming back and the shortened seasons and teams are take, I mean, because sharp betters and more intelligent betters, they they were taking shots on the longer, longer odd teams, you know, so we were seeing that left and right does the same thing, you know, and the more games there are, things are going to everything's going to even out.
Right. But the shorter the season is, no matter the sport or the shorter the games in the series or whatever, there's that more of anything can happen. Kind of like March Madness one and done right. That's why you always had a Cinderella stories. But if the March Madness series were all seven games and the Cinderellas would be few and far between. So that's kind of the same theory here. Why why a lot of bettors are taking more shots at these long shots than before.
Yeah, I mean, you could have the Yankees or Dodgers run in and over that first that first playoff series. There's no one wildcard. It's three three games and they're all in one ballpark now. Getting home field advantage in baseball already iffy, but now the current situation that could change things. And then also, you know, risk of injury is always a factor. But here you have health issues that a star pitcher or star player. Right. Could be out of the mix.
And that upsets everything. No, absolutely.
And that's another great point. And another reason why I think people are betting long shots more than ever in World Series. You know, it's not just evens the playing field that that, you know, no one is going to be immune to to it. This, you know, a star player can catch it from the Yankees just as much as a star player can catch it from the Pirates. So it's going to even the playing field, a lot of it.
Some of these star players from the Yankees, Dodgers, Twins, Braves, et start start catching this thing.
So without a doubt, in America runs on football, the NFL, if any. I think we'll just go straight forward ahead. And just simply, when there were health problems of baseball that nobody folded the tents, they kept it going. And we're on target for a regular season. I don't have backup plans, maybe a shortened season, whatever, but we're good to go. And I know people who love to get involved in this. They got to be excited and maybe things go up too quickly.
You know, you don't win the off season. But when Tom Brady is in Tampa Bay or Philip Rivers and in Indianapolis, I'm with you. I'm intrigued by how people are interested in the patriots who are always the Patriots. But without Brady and Cam Newton or Jared, did whoever Belichick goes with, that's going to create a lot of excitement and anticipation.
Oh, absolutely. I mean, you know, all that Brady news to the Bucs came down, went after, I guess all the sports got nuked a few months back. And that was an exciting week for us because, you know, we're just we were just starving for action on the sports side of things. And then stuff like that happens. And all of a sudden, people are betting the NFL futures, you know, they were betting the Buccaneers to win the Super Bowl.
They're betting, you know, the bills to win the AFC East. They're been under season wins for Patriots over season, wins for Buccaneers. So we saw a lot of action coming in that week. So, yeah, absolutely. I mean, the Buccaneers are they're getting I've never seen we are. So we have such a huge exposure on the Buccaneers to win the Super Bowl. I've never seen anything like it in all my years doing this. So that's the bettors are hyped on the Buccaneers.
I mean, they were like I think they're like forty to one before Brayton and before people thought that Brady was. Going to go there when the rumors start coming out is right down to twenty five to one all the way down to I think we have like eight to one or nine to one now. It probably undervalued, overvalued, but but our exposure is so big on them that we have to be a little conservative with their number.
Yeah. And it really grew. And he's he's coming to one place all this time to a new team with a lot of talent in Tampa Bay and a different coach. And yet without a pre-season, you wonder, of course, he's an experienced veteran, but the timing and settling and that'll be fun to watch. OK, before we wrap real quick, I mean, we could go on and on, but the NFC West is intriguing and I always like it's a simple thing, you know, the overunder on which.
Right. Based on on teams. And I think we're the defending NFC championship come from the forty Niners. You know, obviously, you've got Seattle with Russell Wilson. You have the Rams who were in the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. And I don't think there is down as people think there a surprise some people getting back up there and then Tyler Murray and what they've done in Arizona. I mean, that division, it's hard over other because they're going to be playing each other twice a year, beating each other up now.
And you're absolutely right. And for teams that could legitimately win in that, Cardinals is a great example of how action came in. I mean, there there are most popular bet for over wins for the season. I think there are seven and a half right now. And a lot of that came in when Hopkins got traded there. And action just start pounding the Cardinals and yeah, that bettors are a pro. Forty Niners, pro Seahawks, pro cardinals.
They're down on the Rams, though. But I don't know how you can sleep on their hands, you know, two years out of the Super Bowl. So that's going be a fun watch, without a doubt. All right.
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