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Thanks for your help. Previously on Tiger, what has been the most difficult adjusting for me, the lack of privacy, loss of privacy? It was an absolutely insane choice. Tiger wasn't real eager to spend lots of time. Let me tell you something. Tiger Woods doesn't just play golf. He is golf. He never gave another interview again. I guess you learn not to tell any jokes around reporters anymore. No, I've learned my lesson the hard way.

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In the summer of 1990, reporter Jaime Diaz decided it was time to meet Tiger Woods.

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Tiger wasn't a cover star yet, or a Nike athlete or even a pro golfer.

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Tiger was just a 14 year old kid, but he was also a standout young golfer who'd just won his fifth junior world championship title.

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And people were starting to notice him.

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And his competitiveness sort of brings me through in the clutch. When you have to make a pun, you make a pun. You have to hit the shot. You hit the shot.

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That's Babyface Tiger in an interview taped around this time for the British TV program Transworld Sport, you just sort of drop into another zone and you block out everything that's really helped me.

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I'm convinced his editors at Golf Digest to fly him from the East Coast to Southern California to write a profile on this Tiger Woods kid to get to Tiger himI placed a call to Earl Woods, who gladly agreed to an interview and suggested the three of them play a round of golf. So I make flew w rented a car and drove to the golf course. Tiger and Earl were waiting in the parking lot when he pulled up. Here's how Jamie remembers it.

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Earl was out front shaking hands and greeting me, and a tiger was sort of lingering in the back. I think I got the sense even then that Tiger was naturally shy, but also a little bit. I don't I say tired, but, you know, pretty much felt like he was going to be, you know, to some extent exploited a little bit by the media.

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Right. I'm Jordan Bell and this is All American from Sicher, season one Tiger. And today, how one reporter got to know Tiger before the rest of the world did.

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This reporter, Jaime Diaz, had some of the rarest access ever to Tiger Woods and his family, and this access allowed him to watch firsthand how quickly fame cost Tiger to insulate himself from the world. Episode two, The Coronation. Albert, hello. Hey, Jordan. So you actually know him ideas from the world of sports journalism? Yeah, when I was just starting out at Sports Illustrated, I was a senior writer there.

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And, you know, I was hoping he'd agree to talk to us for this episode because among golf writers, May has known Tiger and his family longer than just about anyone. Yeah.

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And thankfully, I did agree to speak with us. And we dug into his earliest memories of Tiger.

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Hamade told us that after meeting Tiger and Earl that they had to the golf course and started to play.

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Yeah. And the thing is, Hymies actually good at golf. He played in college. And, you know, if you're him, the challenge is making Tiger feel comfortable because you want him to open up.

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So the golf course is actually the perfect place for him and Tiger to get to know one another.

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And I may told us that as he remembers it now, that when the three of them, Earl Tiger and his teammate first started to play, Tiger seemed a little off like he wasn't all that comfortable.

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Well, at first he was kind of somber. In fact, he was a little nervous, I think, because he missed. I remember he missed like a three foot putt on the first hole, which was, you know, Tiger would go a whole season after as a pro and not miss a three footer. But he missed the hole. And, you know, I didn't say anything. But then I think he missed another putt on the second hole like a five footer.

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And he and his dad kind of went off and just kind of had a little talk. It wasn't it wasn't at all an angry talk. It was, I think Earl just trying to calm him down a little bit or it's OK, son. You know something? I wasn't listening in, but I could tell, you know, he probably was trying a little too hard because not because of me, but just because it was Golf Digest that he can't make a good impression.

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Right.

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Did he did he open up after that or change? Yeah.

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Well, what happened? He he he he had a couple of really good shots and I think it just relaxed him. And I missed that. I started it bad. It's not that he was competing with me, but I became kind of a little bit of a somebody you could make fun of. And that was I was happy to play that game.

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After nine holes, Earl left him and Tiger to play the back nine alone. As Tiger and himI worked their way along the course, Tiger started to loosen up.

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He you know, he had a boyish sense of humor. I do recall like with about five holes to go because we got to have a match. And I said, what are we going to play for? And he goes, we'll play for ABC Gum. And and I said, OK, whatever.

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You know, I didn't know exactly what that was.

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And we weren't that close. I would have asked what was ABC gum? But I just recall that he was kind of walking a different direction. I said, OK, we'll just leave it at it. That wasn't money. And then so I lost and and at eighteen I go, OK, so what I owe you? He goes, ABC gum. I said, well, what is it?

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He goes gum that's already been chewed, which really a corny joke. But that was, you know, and I thought that was funny.

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And, you know, he was a kid, but even for a kid, he I mean, he just like the obvious jokes.

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And I remember asking him what's his favorite comic was?

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And he said, George Carlin, a lot of wordplay and George Carlin.

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So it seemed like you did a great job of just like making him feel comfortable with you, which, you know. Oh, it was easy. It was easy. I like I like sports writers in that situation.

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Would have a very difficult time. Right. I don't know. I think some of it is I look at I've always felt really comfortable on the golf course, and I just felt like I was in my element. And I think he could tell that I was comfortable. And so it was going to we were going to be two golfers, more than a reporter into a subject.

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And I think that's how that's how it sort of broke down in terms of our interaction.

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Tiger's boyish humor was on full display, but so was his curiosity and his golf I.Q. He started peppering him with questions about the professional golf world and the best players within it.

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His questions were very sophisticated and pointed. He really wanted to know about technique and he wanted to know about, you know, the way they traveled and the way they practiced. And, you know, just what it was like to be a pro. He was interested in everybody. I mean, Nick Faldo, who the best players were, you knew him as well or better than I did. He also wanted to know about older players, Sam Snead and Hogan and and Nicklaus and Palmer and and so he was interested in that and more in terms of, you know, their techniques, because I think he had studied a lot of you got Golf Digest and he got Golf magazine.

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He studied a lot of swing sequences.

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He was interested in being as have as good a golf swing as possible when the round was over, High Metal Tiger, the dinner was on the Golf Digest expense account, pick any place you want.

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And he goes, well, let's go to Sizzler. As I recall, Sizzler was all you can eat. Well, I remember he went back about three times for steak, you know, just like a strip steak or something. And, you know, he wasn't a gorging himself, but he was like, look, money was an issue. I mean, Earl had you know, he had a good job. And I think there was enough but is expensive to go to all these tournaments.

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And so when there was a free meal, you know, that was a nice luxury. It was. So I think he took advantage of that. And that was and that was kind of a bonding, I think, moment just eating and talking. And that's when he asked about the media. You know, he goes, well, who are the assholes?

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In other words, which reporters or publications should Tiger watch out for?

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And I said, you know, Tiger, everybody makes their own assessment based on their own experience with each individual. I mean, there are guys who have a pattern of being tough and maybe not trustworthy, but they're rare. Most, most most writers, if you give them a chance, they'll be more than fair with you. If you're resistant, if you're difficult, you'll get less of the benefit of the doubt and just common sense stuff.

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I just 14 years old, Tiger Woods was already thinking about how to navigate the press, I think he had a healthy skepticism about it and I think it was actually born of his dad's experience in media.

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And we know that when Earl Woods was younger, he dealt with the media firsthand, working as a public information officer for the U.S. Army in Brooklyn.

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Yeah, and he taught Tiger to be wary of the media and to never give them more information than they asked for.

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But Hymie was already building trust with the Woods family. And I said, hey, can we can we meet tomorrow? And yeah. And that's what happened to come over to the house. And so I did.

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himI headed to the woods home the next day on the family's invitation to continue reporting out his profile of Tiger Woods, modest in the sense of being kind of a a small ranch style home in southern Cal. But a nice neighborhood was kind of closed off very, you know, very well kept to very meticulous.

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And there was a lot of Asian kind of motif to some of the some of the decoration and furnishings.

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This is where himI first met Teda Tiger's mother. Her first name is really cool Teda, but she just goes by Teda. She was born and raised in Thailand, which is where she first met Earl in the late 1960s when Earles Army career brought him there.

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But at the time, Earl had a whole other family in the United States.

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Eventually, he ended his marriage with his first wife to start a new one with Teda.

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Tito was initially quiet. I think Tiger took after her more in terms of personality and an outward personality, certainly, and being reticent and a little bit, I would say withdrawn but shy to to say a lot. And Earl was Earl was the dominant personality in the room, even when Tiger was there. So I always noticed this and that she kind of stood back when Earl was, you know, kind of taking the floor. But once she and I started talking a little bit, I think she could tell that I really had a tremendous appreciation for her son and and what they had done.

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She could tell.

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I picked up on what made Tiger special while he was there. I may also got to see what Tiger's personal space was like. I did end up going into his room to talk to him a little bit. And that's when I, you know, obviously notice what's on the wall in those kind of things. And the deal with the Jack Nicklaus and the H that he was with Jack had achieved at certain ages. And Tiger's own measurement against that. I think he had a Michael Jackson poster up and I think he had a Star Wars poster up.

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So himI story ran in the March nineteen ninety one issue of Golf Digest, and it was the first proper magazine profile of Tiger ever. Yeah. And the piece talked about the 18 holes they played that day about the ABC gum joke and about Tiger's family and his home life.

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But what it really narrowed in on was Tiger's mindset to win, himI wrote. He's constantly evaluating his weaknesses. He seems more interested in his few losses than his many victories, instinctively knowing that the lessons he takes from failures will ultimately be his most valuable. Tiger says, I hate to lose, but in golf, everybody loses because it's so hard mentally. Sometimes you get so nervous. I like the feeling of trying my hardest under pressure. It's when I play my best.

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I think he liked the pressure in the sense that he knew, look, this is going to be my life and I've got to be able to perform under pressure. So, you know, the more pressure I'm under, the more I'll learn how to handle it. He didn't he didn't look at it as a an unpleasant experience. He looked at it as a learning experience. And I remember him talking about he was all the pressure, man. It's like a lion tearing your heart out.

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By the time Hymies story was published, Tiger was a freshman at Western High School in Anaheim, California.

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He was an excellent student, Albert, and of course, he kept playing golf right. He played on the school's team and outside of school, he was winning on the U.S. junior amateur circuit, which was the highest level of golf he could play.

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Aside from going pro and when he was 16, Tiger even played in a professional tournament.

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Here's a clip from ABC in 1992.

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In sports, we report tonight on a new face to watch on the golf tour at the Los Angeles Open this week. Some of the largest crowds are bypassing the likes of Tom Weiskopf and Hayler when they're watching Tiger Woods, who had to get permission from his high school for the time off to play, as ABC's Dick Shaf reports tonight. Woods is the youngest player ever to tee off in an official PGA tournament on the tee from Cypress, California.

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Amateur Tiger Woods two months past his 16th birthday. Tiger Woods teed off yesterday in the first round of the Los Angeles Open, a remarkable start to what promises to be a remarkable career.

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This news profile tells you just how much anticipation there was around Tiger.

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It's like the world was waiting for him with baited breath.

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Totally. And to me, it makes it even more meaningful. That I made is continue to stay in touch with Tiger.

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During this time, I played with Tiger probably about six or seven times total over the years, all during his teenage years. And it was always great. I always felt so privileged. And as time went along and I could tell how great he was going to be, or it became obvious from his accomplishments, I really felt like I was so lucky that I was actually witnessing history.

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The 1994 Western high graduating class footed Tiger Woods most likely to succeed, which I don't find surprising because he was insanely good at golf and one of the top students in his class and Tiger Woods headed to play golf at Stanford in the fall.

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It was around this time when Hymies relationship with Tiger started to change.

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What happened is Tiger went to Stanford and then Tiger started playing golf. And and, you know, I was out there some, but it was it was hard sometimes to to have time with Tiger. And I really fell back willingly and very much in a happy way, talking to Earl and Tina and visiting with them sometimes and just getting obviously, I was trying to learn more about Tiger and what what his progress was or what was going on in his life or learning about Tiger and then interviewing Earl and Teda about what I had learned, that they knew sometimes Tiger was going to be scrutinized and that there were times he was going to make a mistake and that I never sensed that, you know, you can't write about this.

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They just wanted me to be fair. And and it was a little bit of tension. Obviously, it's always it's always precarious to become friends with people you're covering.

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OK, let's clarify what himI means here. You know what's so precarious about journalists befriending the people they cover so much of sports journalism.

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It's all about access. As a reporter, you want to develop relationships, you want to develop sources.

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And over time, you hang out with them, you text with them, you start talking about what you're watching on Netflix.

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I mean, it can turn into something that feels kind of, yeah, like a friendship.

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But this is a job. And your job is to write objective stories that are honest and sometimes they have to be critical and hymies relationship to the Woods family.

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I mean, how unique do you think that was? Well, on the one hand, journalists becoming close and developing trust with their sources. That happens all the time. But this relationship between him and the Woods family, it's really special because of what Tiger becomes. himI didn't know it at the time, but this kid, this kid he was playing golf with, he was about to become one of the most famous people in the world. What do you hope to maybe what do you see for your future?

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My future right now is in the six years of school and then I'll turn pro and hopefully I'll accomplish my goals on tour and I want to do so.

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That's Tiger at 16 being interviewed by a local Chicago TV reporter. And I guess what's not very clear to me is when Tiger says, then I'll turn pro. He knows he's going to turn pro, but I don't actually know.

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How does someone become a professional golfer?

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Well, golf golf is a complicated sport. Yes.

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I mean, the official golf rulebook, it's over 150 pages long.

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And, you know, to become a pro competing every weekend on the PGA Tour, well, you have a couple options. You can either do well enough on what's called the nation wide tour, which is like a minor leagues of golf. Or you can qualify through something called Q School Kufor qualifying. Gotcha. Yeah.

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And I read that the nationwide tour is now called the Korn Ferry Tour.

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But anyway, this whole process, it's not like the NBA or like the NFL where there's an actual draft day and the players find out whether they made the cut.

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No, but for Tiger, it was actually pretty simple. So at this point in our story, Tiger has finished his sophomore year at Stanford and he's already played in pro tournaments. So he has the credentials.

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Yep, plenty of credentials. In fact, in August of 1996, IMG, which represented Tiger, made it official with a phone call to the PGA of America. Their client, Tiger Woods, was turning pro.

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From Augusta National Golf Club in Augusta, Georgia, USA Sports Presents opening round coverage of the Masters.

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So that brings us to the Masters in 1997, which is Tiger's first major tournament as a professional golfer.

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But Albert, what should we know about the Masters?

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Well, so the Masters is the first of the four major tournaments of the year, and it's always held on the same course at Augusta National, just outside of Atlanta. And when you're there, it's like stepping back in time, the scoreboards are still manually operated, reporters still can't bring their cell phones onto the grounds of Augusta National. It represents golf and its history, the good and the bad, including the exclusionary aspect of the sport.

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Augusta didn't allow black members until 1990, and it actually didn't even allow women members until 2012.

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Wow. Which is just so insane because that was incredibly recent.

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Yeah. And so Augusta National, with all its complicated history, it's the backdrop for Tiger as he's gunning for his first major tournament win. Right. And at this point, it's 1997 and he is 21 years old. His Sportsman of the Year cover for Sports Illustrated came out a few months earlier and his GQ cover with all its embarrassing quotes is hot off the presses, too. Yeah. So no pressure, Tiger. All eyes are on him and everyone's thinking, Tiger, he's a great story, but can he actually win the tournament?

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Hundreds of journalists flocked to Gaza to cover the tournament and of course, Jaime Diaz was one of them, Haim, who'd been talking with Tiger and his family for nearly seven years. By then, he got a well-earned bird's eye view.

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It was great because I I at that time had a nice access with with Tiger and his family. And I knew where they were staying. And I was like, OK, to come over to the house after the rounds, during the practice rounds and after some of the competitive rounds as well.

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So Jaime was writing for Sports Illustrated at this point. And during the Masters tournament, he was tasked with basically hanging around Tiger as much as possible.

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Right. And high colleague ATSI Rick Reilly would be the one writing the big Masters cover story.

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But himI was on the inside feeding him information.

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We used to call it drunkie stay with the guy all the time. He opens his trunk till he slams his trunk. But I was actually beyond that. I was I was actually going to the house too. So, you know, I was just doing the groundwork for him. Anecdotal stuff. And that was such a big moment in golf history that, you know, I felt like I did contribute a lot just because of the proximity I had to Tiger that week.

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The Woods family invited me to spend time at the house where they were staying. It was fun there. Tiger and his friend were playing video games, which I made didn't play. But there was also a set up for table tennis, which I may happen to be pretty good at.

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I had played a lot of ping pong in college and I wasted a lot of a lot of afternoons playing a lot of golfers like table tennis because it's similar to imparting spin on the ball in the whole, you know, feel and touch and shaping shots and all that. So Tiger liked it, too. So it was great. I mean, because he loved to compete and we just played ping pong and up in this upstairs room of his house. And, you know, that was a nice way to bond.

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But Tiger definitely had the sensibilities and the mentality for table tennis. Did he get frustrated?

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Yeah, he in a good way, yeah. He just really competitive. It was fun, you know, I mean, a lot of a lot of profanity, but in a good natured way, you know. And I mean, I took it as a compliment, you know, because it was almost this grudging, you know, OK, you're better than me, you know. And it was it was amazing to be better Tiger than something.

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Albert, I think it's important for our audience to know that you're actually probably better than himI and Tiger Woods at table tennis, you you played in tournaments growing up like you even qualified for the Junior Olympics.

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Yeah, well, that was definitely the apex of, you know, my athletic career.

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And it was a very small stretch in my life where I actually maybe was better than Tiger Woods at something. Anyway, let's get back to golf. Sure.

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OK, so with golf tournaments, what I've learned is that they're four days long, Thursday through Sunday usually. And you play the whole course each day.

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Am I missing anything? Yeah, no, so it's a 72 hole tournament spread out over four days. So 18 holes a day. Mm hmm. And Tiger's first day at the Masters.

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It was rough.

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I read that he kept bugging. Can you explain what a bogey is?

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Well, you do not want to bog in golf. Bogeys are not good. It means you're one shot over par. And par is the number of strokes that a good golfer is required to complete a hole. So you do not want to bogey. And over his first nine holes on that first day, Tiger actually bogeyed four times.

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Whoa. Well, if Tiger had nerves that first day, I find that really easy to understand.

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It was his first major as a pro..

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Yeah, and plus his dad was recovering from heart surgery, so he couldn't physically be on the course the entire time with Tiger, like usual. So Tiger didn't get off to a great start, but he was determined and he made sure that before he went onto the next nine holes that his swing was perfect.

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Butch Harmon, his teacher, was very good at kind of fine tuning Tiger. And Butch was proud that he kind of got Tiger in a really nice groove on his backswing where the club wasn't going back very far, but it was just falling into the perfect place where he could just start his downswing with total freedom. And he was just unleashing power that week.

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He was so confident Tiger just started turning things around on those last nine holes. On that first day, he sank a birdie on the 10th hole and then he just started making birdie after birdie.

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What's a birdie? Birdies are birdies are good. It means you're one shot under par and all those birdies put Tiger back on track.

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All right, so we get Friday at the tournament, day two, what happens? Tiger has a great round on data and things really shift on the 13th hole when he takes sole possession of the lead with an eagle.

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OK, so we have another bird name. What's an eagle?

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Well, an eagle is just an even better version of a birdie, and it's two shots under par. And then on Saturday, Tiger starts to just blow away the competition.

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By the end of the day, he's up by nine shots on the entire field. And going into Sunday, the last day of the tournament, everyone's just focused on what is essentially a coronation. There is a new king of golf.

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40 year old Eldrick Woods was beginning a journey to one day be a champion golfer, the fundamentals of you have transformed into the tiger of tomorrow with a power and grace like the game has never seen before.

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As you can probably tell from this TV intro, this tournament ended up being all about Tiger Woods and Tiger Woods just blowing everyone away, as Hymie explains, that he was the complete package was always presumed that nobody gets at all.

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Jack Nicklaus was not a very good wedge player. Lee Trevino couldn't hit the ball very high. He was a golfer with power, with accuracy. Good with I mean, great with a driver and off the tee, great with the Irons, tremendous short game, great putter and then mentally amazing, you know, just way beyond his years in terms of mental toughness and self-control and the ability to be poise under pressure, all those things that usually take years to develop.

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He had it and he had it all at once.

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It was not lost on anyone that Tiger's presence at the tournament also had historical significance. Yeah. And remember, Augusta National only admitted their first African-American members seven years prior in 1990. And what's even crazier is that Augusta also used to require that all caddies be black and it didn't allow any black golfers to play in the Masters until 1975 when Lee Elder competed in the tournament. Yeah. So for Tiger to be poised to win, it was huge, Himer says, just to just to have African-American background and excel in golf.

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To that extent, that was turning the game on its head a little bit. Golf had been I've been waiting, but there was it was curious. I mean, so many other sports that if not dominated, they were predominantly African-American, the NBA or the NFL. And golf was still, I would say, lily white, but predominantly white. And it was like, well, gosh, they don't even have the best. You know, there was always the question, are golfers, even athletes?

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You've got all these soft white kids who dominate the sport. I mean, how athletic can it be? All the other sports have, you know, guys who are fitting the the modern conception of what a great athlete is. And it was often an African-American. And so here was an African-American now excelling. And it was almost like, OK, they finally let one in and he's going to dominate just like the other sports. And, you know, that may sound crude, but I honestly feel like that was kind of the if not articulated reaction.

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It was what people were thinking. And that's what made Tiger such an intriguing case. Who was this kid? I want to know because he's going to do something that, you know, history's been waiting for.

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It felt like the entire world was watching the final day of the tournament and the TV ratings, they were staggering. There was an estimated 43 million viewers tuning in, which was by far the biggest audience golf had ever had for any event.

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And many told us he remembers the last day of the 97 Masters, very clearly, including a conversation he had with another golfer in the tournament, Ben Crenshaw.

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He's very astute observer of the game and knows history intimately and really knows the sort of the epic moments when in the past, the player sort of established himself as a great Tiger Woods out still in the course with like a 10 shot lead with a few holes to go. And he said it feels like a passing. And he said it sort of poetically and this sort of quiet, sort of breathless voice. And he was just trying to, I think, communicate that this was a moment where golf changed.

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So he'll chase Jack Nicklaus. But he follows Jackie Robinson as a man who broke barriers, men who transcended their sport.

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That's Jim Nantz and Ken Venturi talking to viewers at home as Tiger walked toward the final hole and lined up a putt.

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You know, Jimmy, Tiger Woods has to put to break the record, which is held by Jack Nicklaus and very fluid. And that's a record. You know, they say records are made to be broken. Well, 18 under if it ever is broken. I want to tell you who's going to break it. It'll be Tiger Woods, you know. Slow down, slow, slow down, Tiger looked upset after missing the putt, he lined up the ball again, but now this putt to break the all time record at the Masters.

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I can tell you this, Kenny, the depth of this kid's preparation for this stage, for this moment. And I know one thing. I'm I'm glad I was here to watch it. I know there's a lot of people feel the same way. I just enjoy watching great golf. And it means so much to see someone like this handled himself this way. And this for the record. There it is, a win for the ages. With that final putt, Tiger Woods became the youngest person and the first and still the only black American golfer ever to win the Masters.

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He first hugged his caddie and then walked past the cheering crowd to find his parents. His mom and dad, his father with that bypass operation six weeks ago, unable to be out on the course today, but he was there vicariously step for step with his son. Tiger cried as he hugged his parents and then he was off for his first interview as the Masters champion. The record for the Masters was set thirty two years ago by Jack Nicklaus. It was broken today by Tiger Woods and we extend our sincere congratulations to.

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Thank you very much. Also, you're the first African-American to ever win the Masters or Grand Slam event, the first Asian American. What does all of this mean to you? Means a lot, because Charlie separately, Elder Teddy Rhodes, those guys are the ones who paved the way or for me to be here. And I thank them because if it wasn't for them, I may not have had the chance to ever play golf.

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You know, the son of an African-American father to win that tournament just had tremendous sociological significance within sports because sports has a complicated racial history as well. I mean, not to say that they were blacks playing golf, obviously, but symbolically to win at the Masters. It just seemed like it almost in a way forcefully liberated golf from from from its past. People were happy that this. This young black kid, one, there was a reason beyond sports that it was huge to the culture.

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So, Albert, when you win the Masters, I've learned that you get a cool green jacket and a membership to Augusta National.

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Yeah, and the whole thing isn't official until you slip on the green jacket in a ceremony in the basement of a house called Butler Cabin. And it all feels a little cultish, very cultish.

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Every member of Augusta National has one of those green blazers. And there are rules. You can only wear it at the golf club. You can't even take it home.

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But there is one exception. The latest Masters champion is the one person who gets to wear their green jacket whenever and wherever they want.

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Well, it's time for the green jacket, Mr. Ford. Last year's winner, Nick Faldo, has won three masters. And Nick, would you present Tiger with his first term? My pleasure, Tiger. Phenomenal performance. Welcome to the to the green jacket. Thank you.

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By the way, it clashes with Red back at the house where the Woods family was staying during the tournament, Jaime Diaz waited with a small group for Tiger to wrap up with the press. Tiger's parents and Nike CEO Phil Knight were there, too.

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Tiger came back and I couldn't stay, but I just wanted to acknowledge, you know, his his amazing feat. And yeah, and he hugged me. I just said, you're so good. I mean, I know that sounds so trite, but I what I was trying to convey was it was just like he had, you know, opened up this whole new possibility to what a golfer could be.

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Tiger Woods changed golf that day, but May said something else changed in Tiger.

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Winning is kind of lonely, I mean, it does cause you to have to separate, you know, from close relationships, whatever, you got to choose yourself a lot. I knew we had to keep the world at bay as the world started to close in more. I mean, one of the you know, it wasn't an unintended consequence, but it was a little bit unanticipated of winning the Masters was Tiger mania and how it just changed his whole life.

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And from that moment after winning the Masters, his private world got smaller and tighter and it was harder and slightly harder to penetrate. And I didn't have the same kind of access and I didn't question. But I also knew that that access was going to be more valuable and less available. And I, I had to never take it for granted. Next time on All American, let me get this straight. What do you call yourself? Do you call yourself African-American?

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I know you are your father's half like quarter Chinese quarter American Indian mothers have ties to Chinese and quarter white. So you are. That's why you Americans. Yes. You are a very successful. all-American is a production from Stitcher, written, reported and produced by me, Jordan Bell for the production and reporting by Albert Chen. Janay Palmer is our story editor. Our associate producer is Temmy Fact, Bentley Consulting production by Stephanie Kariuki and Abigail Keel. Our executive producers are Daisy Rosario and Chris Banhart.

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