Top draft prospects are descending upon Indianapolis for the 2025 NFL Scouting Combine. But will we get a glimpse at the top quarterbacks on the field? We've got the latest on Kam Ward and Shadr Sanders' plans as the pre-draft process ramps up. Hate the push-push? You are not alone. One NFL team wants to ban it immediately. Probably more than that, but one actually made that request. We'll tell you what the Competition Committee is saying about it. Coaches also are landing here in Indy. First man up in front of reporters, Sean McDermott, who spoke with our Judy Batista about how the Bills can finally get over the hump. Added bonus tonight, we get to speak to Judy, too. Welcome inside with the Insiders alongside the aftermentioned Judy Batista and Mike Garrafolo, Ian Rappaport. I am Tom Pelacero. We got special graphic and everything. It's the Insiders at the Combine right down there. Starting on Thursday, top draft prospects at every position are going to be working out. This is all, of course, the run-up to the end of April and the NFL draft in Green Bay. But there's so much more to look forward to. That's right.

The NFL comment, it's underway, but the drills are three days away. We got the franchise tag deadline coming up. Two weeks from today, the free agent negotiating window begins. Less than two months from the draft, then There's training camp, the preseason, the NFL season, nightmare fuel for all of our spouses. But again, it begins right here in Indianapolis, where we are going to see a lot of the top prospects on the field, though not a few of the notable names. That includes Abdul Carter, the top edge prospect out of Penn State, potentially the number one overall pick, recovering from a shoulder injury, not going to do drills here in Indianapolis. Kam Ward, quite possibly the top quarterback on the board, still undecided from what I am told. I spoke with his quarterback's coach, Darryl Colbert, who told me earlier today, Ward actually went through a combine-like throwing session during the day today. So there's at least a possibility he's mulling whether or not he wants to come out here and throw. Shadr Sanders, who has the same quarterback's coach who's been training with Kam Ward, he is not, as Ian said on Sunday, going to participate in drills, focusing on continuing the interviews as he did during in the East West Shrine Bowl, and then is going to throw two pretty talented receivers, including Travis Hunter at his Pro Day.

Ashton Genti, the Boise State Running Back, also not planning to participate here, according to his agent, is going to take part in on field drills during Boise State's Pro Day. But as I mentioned, there's hundreds of prospects. The vast, vast majority of them-So many prospects. Are going to be working out here, including some in Daniel Jeremiah's new top 10. That includes potentially Travis Hunter, we could see out on the field here, and there's a lot more to look forward to through the course of this week. Ian, a lot that happens on the field, of course, but also behind the scenes, the restaurants and bars and hotels. What are you most looking forward to besides clean out your nasal pastures with that shrimp cocktail?

I am excited about the restaurants and bars. As you know, that's my favorite part of any. But let's talk about the on field situation first right here behind us. You mentioned Shador Sanders with his decision, as he told me in a FaceTime a couple of days ago. You mentioned the Kammerard possibility of whether or not he's throwing. There's a lot going on behind those guys. From what I understand, based on the evaluators I speak with, it does seem like as of right now, those are the top two quarterbacks. But who's behind them? Where does Jackson Dart fit in behind those guys? Where does Quin Ewer fit in behind those guys? What about Riley Leonard? How much are we going to see of those guys? Obviously, we know Jackson Dart, Riley Leonard, as you mentioned, are going to throw Quin Ewer, we shall see. It's at some point soon what he's going to do. But where does it slide in? Who is QB3? How high do they go? How high they thought of are they? One of the big story lines is going to play out behind us.

What an opportunity for those guys, too. If the top two guys decide not to throw here, what an opportunity for those guys to seize the attention. I am looking forward to, it doesn't have to do with the prospects, I'm looking forward to all of the conversations here. Maybe we get some clarity on the quarterback situation in the offseason, what happens with Matthew Stafford. What about Sam Arnold, what's going to happen with him? Kirk Cousins, there's so much quarterback musical chairs about to happen going into free agency. Hoping we get some info on that.

Well, don't expect straight answers. I mean, hard knocks the offseason version I remember Joe Shane last year showed Joe Shane meeting with Deon Dargan, his PR guy, talking about, Well, they're going to ask me this, and we're not going to... And it literally showed him not answering the questions. It's an exercise in futility sometimes asking these. But you get to ask questions away from those press conferences when everybody gets here and then they start to have conversations. So you can already start to feel a lot of the uncertainty, particularly with the quarterback position, when it comes to trades and free agency and everything that's coming. It's all starting this slot a little bit. By the time we leave here, we're going to have a much better feel for where things are going to go when it comes to the start of the league here.

A lot of these dominoes in the quarterback market fall upon each other. In other words, to your point, Matthew Stafford is not back in LA. Who slots in there? More on that in just a little bit. But I mentioned, there's a lot of top prospects here. Daniel Jeremiah put out a new top 50 list. Here's the top 10 on that board. He does have Kam Ward on that list. He does not have Shadr Sanders in the top 10. Ashton Genti. Wow. Daniel Jeremiah is the President of that fan club going back to the fall. The guy who was on this board several years ago, Trey Lance, ended up going number three overall to the San Francisco 49ers, eventually traded to the Cowboys, where we saw a lot of him in practice, but not a whole lot in games. Steven Jones spoke earlier today and certainly indicated the Cowboys, once again, not for a starter. They're paying back a lot of money to do that, but they're going to be back in that quarterback market.

We'll evaluate the whole situation. You're always wanting to have a young guy coming. That's always a preference, and certainly that's something we'll look at in the draft is to see if there's a young guy to start bringing along again. Obviously, we were focused on Trey there when we traded for him, and he was our young guy, if you that we were bringing along. But all of those are things that we'll start to evaluate with this draft with Coach Sitenheimer, with Coach Shemko and Clayton in that group, what's available out there, what's going to be in the draft and make the best decision in terms of what we're going to have behind that. We get criticized, and rightfully so, for lack of success in the postseason. Then, of course, certainly weren't pleased with our season this year. We had some challenges from an injury standpoint, but as Jerry likes to say, the world's smallest violin there. I mean, that's part of our game. People have injuries. I was just talking with John. He had the same situation in San Francisco. That's just part of it. But certainly, we're always looking for ways to be better. What we've done recently with our lack of playoff success, and certainly this year, we certainly I understand that and know that we have to continue to look for ways to be better than that.

First of all, on Trey Lance, just real quick for anybody thinking that's a referendum on him. For one thing, he's a free agent. This is not like he's getting released, but they actually came to him, I'm told, with a contract extension offer late last season. It didn't make sense for Trey Lance to take it because he wasn't playing for the Cowboys at that point. It didn't end up working out. But there were still multiple teams, even after Dallas traded for him, trying to trade for Trey Lance, who is still only 24 He's younger than Michael Feddicks. There's going to be interest in Trey Lance as a developmental player in this cycle. But certainly, when you had a guy like Cooper Rush there who they were leaning on, a veteran, he's going to do well in this market, and Dallas is probably going to be looking one way or another for a backup quarterback.

It was really fascinating to hear Steven Jones talk to reporters guys here and discuss them being selectively aggressive, I believe was the phrase that he used in free agency. Look, last year, I know it drove Cowboys fans absolutely crazy. All of their priorities were about their own guys. They'd barely They haven't really signed any free agent. I think just one, right? Just one free agent, if I can remember correctly, they ended up- Kenzix. Kenzix, right. That was it. They just focused on their own guys. I'm not going to say punted on free agency, but basically did that, went into the season with what they had. It was what it was. This year, it's not like they have a ton of cap space now, but based on possible Micah Parsons' extension, based on restructuring a couple of contracts, Dax City, Lamb, they can create the space, and they have holes all over the roster. You got defensive of line, could use another edge president. We'll see if DeMarcus Lawrence ends up walking away, could probably use a guard to replace Zack Martin, who we reported, retirement. This is going to be the Cowboys free agency that it does seem like the fans will like a little bit more, and Dallas has been excellent.

Excellent, maybe not last year, but excellent at identifying talent. Another opportunity for the front office to do that this offseason.

The phrase selectively aggressive really caught my ear as well because I was wondering Where do you slot that in in comparison to all in, which is what last offseason was supposed to be about and turned out to... I mean, they were all in on their own guys, not really on anybody else's guys. And so I wondered, Well, what do you mean by that? But certainly they have holes. We saw that last season. They have holes on the roster that they have to fill. And if they are going to be selectively aggressive, it's going to have to go well beyond just getting a young quarterback there. They have got to address some of these needs. Last season was a tremendous disappointment. That's an understatement. And again, I am curious to see if they back this up selectively aggressive the way they did not back it up last season.

Well, when you hear them talk about, well, we're going to get a quarterback in this draft, a young It doesn't mean first round. It doesn't even mean early second day. It just means a guy that you maybe could get at some point that could wind up being your backup. Tom, you talked about the fact that they've got Cooper Rush and Trey Lance out there who might make more money than you're budgeted for, especially when you're paying that guy right there 60 million. If he's at the top of the quarterback class, a lot of times teams will say, well, then we need to pull back when it comes to paying the backup. I remember the Eagles wanting to do that a couple of years ago. They drafted Jalen Hertz to be behind Carson Wentz. Yada, yada, yada. Jalen Hertz is now the guy making a ton of money. But the point is, a lot of times that you can say, well, that's going to be our strategy to save on the backup position and get ourselves a guy who, yeah, like Jalen Hertz, may wind up being your guy down the road there. So we'll see when it comes to their strategy in the draft.

But there's got to be some more selectivity when it comes to that aggressiveness.

How'd you like that? From all in to somewhat in. We are taking a first step toward being all in. But there's a little ways to go here. Somebody also does not have a $60 million quarterback and is going to end up trading for one. Is it going to involve Matthew Stafford? That's been an ongoing question over the past couple of months here, really ramping up over the last week when the Rams gave Stafford's agent, Jimmy Sexton, permission to go speak with other clubs and talk to talk about the possibility that he could be available, what that would look like here. Now, Stafford has a $49 million cap number. He's only doing about $27 million in cash in 2025. He wants a raise over that number to get him, Judy, up into the logical territory for somebody who's still, even at this stage, his career is a top 10 type of a talent. The real question is, are the Rams comfortable going to that type of number, or is Stafford going to find the best opportunity for himself someplace else?

Well, as I just said a few minutes ago, can we finally get some clarity or at least some movement toward clarity this week in Indianapolis? They are on different timelines, right? I mean, he is a late 30s-something quarterback with a team that has got a much younger roster, got much younger last offseason, and I think really outperformed expectations. They are ahead of schedule, and so they don't seem to be lined up on the timeline. Having said that, I don't think there's any question the Rams would look much that are going into next season with Matthew Stafford at the quarterback position compared to anybody else that they could get there, presumably. As you pointed out, if Matthew Stafford goes elsewhere, and there are certainly teams that need a Matthew Stafford teams that need a quarterback and would be interested if the price is right for Matthew Stafford, then who gets slots in at the Rams? There's all these moving pieces certainly the next few days.

Let's put names to those teams. The Las Vegas Raiders, the New York Giants, certainly amongst the teams that would be interested and are interested in Matthew Stafford if he wiggles free. But it's not just the financials for Matthew Stafford. It's then going to be the trade compensation. And that appears to be what a lot of teams believe is going to be the stumbling block in that the Rams are allowing Stafford to go out there. Okay, tell us what the numbers are out there financially. But then when it comes time to trade them, they're still going to want a significant return when it comes to the trade. So they don't think necessarily. It's an odd thing to let a guy go talk numbers with other teams and say, yeah, we still want him back. But the belief around the league is, yes, they do still want him back, and that perhaps is the most likely destination right now is for him to remain with the Rams. We'll see how it plays out, but it is an odd little twist here that you don't usually see, but they want him back.

It does seem like the teams that are in the market for Matthew Stafford are basically the same teams in the market for Aaron Rodgers, same teams that are in the market for Sam Darnold. You have the Rams if he doesn't return, you have Raiders, you have the Giants, obviously a couple of others without a firm starter at quarterback. I like what the Rams did. Basically, what they did was legalize tampering. Everything good that happens in the tampering window, which is your agent gets to go out and find out what the actual price is, is happening right now. Maybe quickening the process so it doesn't happen right before training camp where you think staff is going to show up. He doesn't show up. He gets that raise, and it's awkward for the rest of the year. He gets the opportunity. His agent, Jimmy Sex, gets the opportunity to be like, All right, what do you think? What's the market? Our team is going to give up a first rounder to trade for them? They might. We've seen crazy quarterback trades before. I don't know that that's going to happen, but at least the market will speak and give the Rams an opportunity to be like, okay, everyone views them as a, whatever it is, 40, 45, $50 million quarterback, maybe we should, too, or not.

There's certainly a track record of older quarterbacks being traded for second-round pics or things that add up to second-round pics, so that potentially could be the target for Matthew Stafford. I can tell you, they have had, the Rams have had conversation with other teams about the trade compensation. You have the different parts potentially in place if and when all parties agree to move on. But this is not just a two to tango situation. Matthew Stafford has a seat at the table as well because he would have to agree to a new contract as part of any deal. So stay tuned. Part of the reason that there would be such a market for somebody like Matthew Stafford is the fact that there's not a whole lot out there in terms of free agency, particularly at the quarterback position. Greg Rosenthal put out his annual top 101 free agents. He told me earlier today, he might go to 1: 02 next year. Let's slip dig seriously. Justin Fields, of course, a free agent. Russell Wilson, they're both on this list as well. There's a couple of D tackles, Milton Williams and Osa O'Deguizua. Does he add guys as they get cut?

He does add guys as they get cut. So then some poor soul Just get pushed off. Right now, nick Chubb is operating the number 101 spot. You can read that full article. Hang on, nick. Nfl. Com/top101. What type of moves could the Bills make in this offseason? Last year, their biggest move was the The guy that they traded away. Well, Judy is going to try to get some answers from Sean McDermott. The exclusive interview coming up right after this as this show rolls on with so much more from here, the site of the 2025 NFL Scouting Combine in gorgeous Indianapolis.

What were you doing in 2015? James Gladstone was coaching high school football. Now, less than a decade later, I guess about a decade later, He's a general manager of the Jacksonville Jaguars, and now he's holding press conferences on back-to-back days. Today in Jacksonville, tomorrow, he'll be speaking at the Scouting Combine. Here's Gladstone today on the opportunity to work with the Kohn family as the new general manager of the voice.

I genuinely believe that this moment, me being seated on this stage, is not a reflection of anything that I've done on my own, but rather a collective effort certain. And I won't lose sight of it. To Les and Kara Sneed. You guys altered the trajectory of my life, supporting you, learning from you. That was an honor of a lifetime. Now look, to carry that experience forward every day in this role. To the Jaguar fan base, I turn to you with Liam's vision, with a disciplined approach, we're going to bring you a product that you all can be proud of, and we are so appreciative of your support.

With that, game on.

Game on, Duval. Pam Wolf now joining us. I'm going to have some pauses in It was a very effective use of the pause there by James Gladstone. He's with us, Judy Batiste and Mike Arafola here to talk the new era of Jacksonville Jaguars football. You are our Florida guys. You spend a lot of time around the Jaguars. Your thoughts on Liam Cohen and James Gladstone, two buddies, If you ever get a head coaching job, you take me with you?

I would certainly be taking you with you. Absolutely. We won't be as young as this group, but we'll try to make it work.

Can't go backwards, Cam.

Yeah, absolutely. The big thing that stood out to me listening to this process the last few days, innovation and evolving. This is a Jags organization that's trying to move forward. They had Doug Peterson, Trent Balki as their duo. They now have the youngest head coach and GM duo in the NFL with Liam Cohen and James Gladstone. I thought it was really interesting hearing Liam Cohen tell a story about James Gladstone and saying, Essentially, when we were with the Rams together, he led the undrafted free agent process, and he connected our scouts and coaches unlike anyone had ever seen. You hear a 34-year-old guy connecting old and young, and that's really what they want here. Liam Cohen is going to have a lot of control of this ship. James Glassstone is going to bring in his scouting foundation from the Rams. The high school teacher bit you told earlier is a big part of what he does. Talking to people who know him, his communication ability comes from his ability to teach as a kid, and that's really what he got listening, got him out of that area. I also thought it was interesting listening to him.

The Rams had 24 pics over the last two years. Jacksonville has more pics than any other team over the next two years. They're hoping they can replicate some of the Braden That's the Jerk versus the Pukinakuas that the Rams were able to do and take this Jags organization to the next level. You have Liam Cohen, who's going to try to get the most out of Trevor Lawrence, but I expect this Jags team to really focus on the trenches, offensive and defensive line, trying to get Jacksonville back to where they were in 2022 when they were winning divisions in playoff games.

I am so curious to hear more from them when they get here about what they're going to do to support Trevor Lawrence, because let's face it, we thought Trevor Lawrence was ascending only a few years ago when they made that push into the playoffs, and it has stalled and declined since then. They have an opportunity, as you said, they've got a ton of draft capital to use. What can they put around Trevor Lawrence to get the most out of him and to turn things around pretty quickly in Jacksonville? All right, Let's go up a little bit the Coast to Atlanta, Kam. There's obviously quite a bit of uncertainty about the Kirk Cousin situation. They've got their young quarterback in place. What are you hearing from there?

Yeah, the big question tomorrow, both Terry Fondo and Rahem Morris, what are you going to do Kirk Cousins. We may have a little bit of a game of stare down here because Kirk Cousins is due a guaranteed contract, big money deal, and he has a no trade clause. The Falcons have talked to Fondino towards the end of the year. He said, We're not just going to release Kirk Cousins. We want to be able to either We're going to get some draft capital out of it, get some value out of it, or we're going to keep him as the backup. Well, March 17th, he has a roster bonus due. That's a deadline of sorts we can see. We're going to see who really budgets first. Does Kirk Cousins work with them, want to trade, or does take his preferred route and wait and see if he can get released? I think that's going to be an interesting question for them. They are already owed. He already is going to get the money regardless. And so it's just how the process goes. They know Michael Pennix is their future quarterback. 2025, he's going forward as a talk to the Falcon's brass.

They raved about his poise, his ability to come in in a late situation, starting three games off the bench without any prep. They think that he's going to be a superstar in this thing, and now they're just going to deal with this awkward situation of Kirk Cousins. It's sunken cost for them, essentially now. It's just how they deal with it. And I'm sure Fonda will get blasted with questions about that.

It's a sunken cost, but it's a payment toward potentially getting more back in draft capital, certainly rather than releasing him, obviously. But even by paying that money, you're making him more attractive to the next team because now the price tag is lower. With the salary cap now approaching 300 million, I know that this is going to come off the wrong way, but $10 million to the Falcons almost feels like a drop in the bucket. Yes, absolutely.

And Fondal mentioned when I talked to him that they were willing to work the money out if it made sense for another team. And so maybe you have a little negotiation here in the combine. That's part of those conversations. If you really want Kirk Cousins, maybe you can jump the line and get them a discount.

I don't know how they're going to answer it tomorrow, but my belief is that we're going to come away saying, The Falcons don't look like they're in any rush to do anything here with Kirk Cousins. This almost feels like something that, yes, the start of the league year when trade start happen, but also maybe even to the draft and through the draft where perhaps that could happen, and Kirk Cousins is not there for the spring program anyway.

Kam, thank you very much. Enjoy the rest of your week. We'll see you. I'm here. You're coming back.

I'm here.

You're not getting off that easy.

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What am I looking at? We had him on here from Disney World, and I said to him, I said, You guys are going to be partying all spring. I didn't mean all spring, right? I was just saying, there'll be celebrations, all the Spring ceremony will be at the end of the spring session. And he's like, not all spring. He wanted to be clear that he was going to get back to work. You saw Lane Johnson the other day squatting 315 pounds. Deep squat. You see Jalen Hertz back doing the on field work. The Eagles want to defend that title there.

So We're doing some squats occasionally here. Will they still be valuable in 2025? Well, the packers propose a ban on the push-push play. This was a matter of time. It's a play that doesn't necessarily always look like a football play. The Eagles have executed better than anybody, which is the justification that the Competition Committee has given in the past for why they are not banning the play. Troy Vincent spoke with our Judy Batista about this very thing.

Well, we do have a club playing route proposal. I can't reference the club today, but we do have a formal proposal to look at eliminating the push push.

Where do you think the committee is going to be on that?

We're going to find out. Because two years ago, a lot of discussion around hip drop, which we haven't talked. Hip drop, we made tremendous progress in that particular. Hip drop and a push push was in the same conversation three years ago. A year ago, we felt like, let's just focus Jackson on the hip drop tackle. The push push to say, hey, the Philadelphia Eagles, they just do it better than everyone else. But there are some concerns. Our Health and Safety Committee has laid that out today with a brief conversation on the injury report. There's some challenges, concerns that they have that they'll share with the broader group tomorrow. But the push push will become a topic of discussion moving into March. I did not talk about the hip drop, which I have to.

Let's talk about the hip drop then.

We've made tremendous progress. We had 27 that we felt like that we had one called on the field. But moving that tackle type out of the game, you still have a year ago, it was a 20X injury integrate on that tackle. We're still in that same. You're still having players miss time when all of those, let's say, those areas show up. But we had 27. We were seeing that 2-3 times a weekend, a year ago. So the players have made a wonderful adjustment. The coaches have made a wonderful adjustment, and we're hoping that trickles down to the collegiate level and the high school level.

Are you anticipating a tweak to that rule in a way that would allow them to throw flags on the field instead of waiting for the after-the-fact finds?

To still It's still learning. It's still learning. Good question, Judy. What we shared with the membership a year ago, it's a tough foul to see real time. It's like the horse collar. It took some time. Like the use of helmet, it took a little bit of time. The more they see it, the more they become accustomed. Again, we had one that was called this year, Arizona, Carolina. It was incorrectly called, but real time, it looked like all three or four of those elements exist. So we're going to keep at it, keep chopping away, keep showing the video. The officials were here with us at our Super Bowl crew. They were outstanding in the engagement, asking questions, and then sharing their opinion about how we could be more consistent from crew one to crew 17. On off-outs.

Troy, thank you. Thank you.

So obviously, the push-push evolved out of the classic quarterback sneak. There are shades of gray to all these things. If you couldn't see hip drop a lot of the time last year to throw a flag, I would think push-push would be pretty straightforward, but I have to imagine, Judy, no matter what type of rule they potentially would institute, if this, in fact, even advances through the Competition Committee, there's going to still be ways that people scheme around it. What, if anything, could this What does it end up looking like?

Well, here's the thing about the push-push. There are rules against aiding the runner. There used to be rules against aiding the runner, but that was like pulling the runner, right? This is obviously pushing the runner, so they would have to decide on that. He mentioned injury data. There's not much injury data on the push-push because it doesn't get run all that often. Thankfully, knock on wood. So there's not a ton of injuries related to it. If there were more injuries involved, then you could imagine a health and safety push to get it out of the game. But that's not the case. The thing to keep in mind is they didn't like the way it looked this when the Washington Command just kept jumping the line over and over and over. There were people in the League with the Edge that you made a farce at the play. It looked Do you really want that? That's an element, too, of people saying, That was not a good look. There's also just an element of people who say, This just doesn't look like a football play. Should we have this in the game? Now, is that enough to get 24 votes Twenty-four votes, as we know, for all rules changes is a big threshold to reach.

Not sure we're going to get there. Certainly, there's the counterargument like, If you don't like it, stop it, and everybody will stop running it.

We hear from the Philadelphia reporter. Well, How about the common sense reporter? I'll be that guy. The commander's jumping over the pile is a commander's problem. It's not an eagles's problem. It's not a health and safety problem. You got to have the discipline to not jump. Yeah, it makes it a little bit harder. The fact that the eagles do this so well. If Michael Robinson were here, our colleague here at NFL Network, he would point out that Jalen Hertz almost always falls to the left. Now, please don't show him right now because Jordan Myalata is the one that really gets the push there. It's something that the Eagles are good at, and that's not a reason to outlaw a play. Now, if you want to talk about health and safety and say Chris Jones got hurt in the Super Bowl, well, maybe you shouldn't teach that technique and ask him to do that. I understand why they tried to do that, but that resulted in an injury. But that's because a guy was going sideways when everybody else is going forward. So I understand all the concerns, but there's just not enough from a health and safety standpoint, which is how we see rules changes.

You understand the concerns, but you don't care about it. You mentioned earlier in the show, you said yada, yada. I heard you talking, and it was really more like yada, yada, yada. It doesn't look like a football play. It just doesn't. I've seen football.

Even did the Wild Cat.

We didn't have all that. That's not true. That's not true. That didn't look like your traditional football. You want to go on this? We'll go on this. No, look, this right here is not- I'm not going to throw fist. No, it's not. I'm sorry. It's really not. It's rugby. It's Australian rules football. Maybe that's why Myalata is so good at it. Myalata is an Australian football player, but he doesn't play Australian rules football. The fact that other teams aren't as good at it doesn't It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the Eagles are too good at it and the fact that it's not really a football place. You could say all the things you want, lack of injury data. You could talk about Chris Jones, all the things. I've seen a lot of football. You guys have all seen a lot of football? That does not look good.

Yeah, do we have research here? Because if they get 24 votes on this, there's going to be 24 teams that ran this thing. So you're outlawing something that even you ran.

That's not effective. I would just add that I think what some people in the league really fear is that it looks like play where there could be a serious injury, that someday a quarterback is going to go in there and their shoulder is going to get dislocated.

Then we'll talk about it then, Judy.

You don't want to get to that moment. Somebody sacrifice their shoulder and then Michael be interested.

How He's on line one for Ian. Coming up after this, for real this time. Judy talked with Sean McDermott earlier today. His quarterback is pretty good at the push-push, the quarterback sneak as well. Maybe that came up. Maybe we'll talk about some other stuff. Maybe what they can add to try to get over that chief's hump. Sean McDermott with the Insiders next.

Insiders are... Never mind.

It's Josh Allen now. Now watch the big guy.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7 steps. He got 10 yards, and Allen just rips it. I think he's doing a good job out here.

He's throwing the ball accurately on throws that should be accurate.

That's what he does. Just effortless, man.

4,7, 6.

I have no doubt he can throw this ball 80, 90 yards. There's a good throw.

That went from the 10-yard line to the opposite 30.

He's showing off a little bit.

I don't blame him.

I don't think we had any idea at the time what we were looking at and whether Josh Allen would be the eventual MVP. All anyone talked about the time was how inaccurate he was. Yeah, he could throw, but can he hit the side of the bar? And turns out the bills were like, You know what? We're going to go through every throw. We're going to figure out how accurate he would be if he had receivers who could catch. They drafted him. The rest is history. Obviously, Josh Allen this year, one of the best seasons, probably the best season of his career leading that Bills team. Not going to say by himself, but without as much help as usual. Anyway, Josh Allen, one of the great combined performers of the last decade or so. We got plenty more on the bills coming up, though, especially because our good friend, Judy Batista, talked with Coach Sean McDermott earlier today.

Sean, you've had a little bit of time to reflect on how the season went, what you accomplished, how it ended. What are your takeaways?

I thought we had a good year. One of the harder things to do in our league is sustain success, and we've been able to do that now for quite some time. The challenge is still remaining, is how we get to the Super Bowl and win a World Championship. So that's where we're at. But I think the important piece is not losing sight of the success we had.

All right. The obvious question then is, how do you take that step? You've had success against the Chiefs in the regular season. The postseason has been a stumbling block. How do you get over that hurdle, finally?

Well, listen, we've been pretty close to being in a good position to win at least the last two games in the playoffs. We've beaten them in the regular season, to your point. But I don't ever think it's about one team. It's really about us getting as good as we can possibly get this season so that whoever shows up in those games, ourself included, that we're able to rise to that challenge.

To that point, what are the priorities in this offseason in terms of adding to your roster?

Well, number one is always going to be, Judy, how How we retain our players. There's a market out there for all these players, and so it's important for us that we get as many of those players back as we can and look to add from there.

All right. One final one. There's an awful lot of chatter out there about you all needing a game wrecker on defense. How much of a priority is that for you?

Well, I've always said good players, great players make coaches look better. So I'm a great coach when I've got... I'm a lot better coach, I would say, when I've got great players, and we have great players, and very fortunate to coach those guys. But hey, all the great players that want to come to Buffalo, come on.

Did John McDermott crack a smile when Judy asked about Miles Garrett without mentioning his name? I don't know. Plenty more topics just like that to discuss. Coming up next on the Insiders, we are going to be in Indy all week. There's Lucas Oasis Stadium. That's where I'm sitting right now. You can't see me because there's a roof. Anyway, stay tuned. We will be back on the Insider from Indy.

That are not performing as well as the new best ones.

Can we move more hundreds of players into those helmets that would obviously advance safety for the game? We talked a little bit about expanding replay assists for player safety fouls. Because obviously we want fewer helmet-to-helmet impacts, specifically, fewer high-speed helmet-to-helmet impacts, which have a greater likelihood of causing injury, either that day or to whatever body part, specifically head injuries. But how would we go about doing that? We have the files in place. They're hard to call. We have enforcement after the fact in place, fines and such. Are there things that we can do with replay assist to expand the likelihood that officials are going to call those on field? That was a conversation with the committee as well. Judy, you've been camped outside of the Competition Committee meetings for the past several days. Glad they allowed you to come here with me, Tom Pelacero, here inside Lucas Oil Stadium. What are your other big takeaways from what you heard from Jeff Miller and others there?

Well, first, just to start on what he mentioned about Replay Assist. They would not use replay assist, it sounds like, to throw a flag that has not already been thrown on the field. But what it would do is if it's a health and safety issue, like hitting somebody in the head, face mask, they would encourage officials to just throw the flag, even if they have a little bit of a doubt, and then replay assist can make sure they are correct. We'll see if they actually go that route. The other thing is on kickoffs, the dynamic kickoff, which they got really good results. They were happy with it in year one. They got more returns and the rate of concussion dropped significantly, 40% or so. The question they are looking at, can they get even more returns and still keep the concussion rate low? They are looking at two different things, either moving the kickoff line back five yards, which means obviously it would be a longer kick for it to go into the end zone, or do they move the touchback line up to the 35-yard line, which means the receiving team would start the drive on the 35-yard line if you kick it into the end zone or out of the end zone.

It sounds like they are leaning more toward that because as Rich McKay, who is the coacher of the Competition Committee, said, he doesn't think moving the kickoff back five yards would do anything because kickers are so good right Now everybody can kick it into the end zone. The other thing they're looking at is, do they need to tweak the onside kick, which is basically a ceremonial play now. It's almost dead. It's nothing. Special teams coaches who have been part of these meetings are They're coming up with a plan that maybe could they change the alignment on onside kicks, and that way the onside kick would become a more viable play again. I didn't know this, but the historic rate of recovering an onside kick is only 13. 5%, so they don't have to tweak it much to get it up that there's just not that many onside kicks. You're not recovering that many. They'd like to get it to be a more active play.

Of course, there have been proposals for years, namely by the Eagles to try out a fourth and 15 or fourth and 20. Alternative, play, make it, take it. You convert the first down, you get the ball. There are the detractors who say it's just too gimmicky. It's too far outside of the scope of what football has looked like in the past. To the point, too, on the kickoff, potentially moving the touchback line. That's something that I've been told they were planning to do in the first place. They needed to gather the data first, drive the numbers down. Now, let's see if we can drive them back up. These guys are driving a lot of stuff out there on the field. Who are going to be the studs in 2025? What are some of our favorite moments from Combine's past? We'll talk about it next on the Insiders at the Combine.

Russell Wilson. He's got innate feel for the game.

There you go, brother.

Four, five, flat.

Got to be pretty darn tall when he's got to. 34 inches on the broad, 9 feet, 10 inches. A little bit more of a playmaker.

Better on than people think.

If I'm an NFL team, Russell Wilson and me, I'm drafting him. I know Russell is not the tallest quarterback that ever came through the combine, but can we get him some shorter shorts? Down past his knees. That's the style that wasn't that long ago. It was 2012. Pete Carroll, John Snyder, they're the ones who drafted Russell Wilson. Pete's back and in the back. He's in an action row and Coach Sporting Group, the Man of the People.

Can not let that happen.

Matthew Edwards. So Pete Carroll back with the Raiders still flying out from Seattle here. Sure he's got a lot of good memories here. Judy, your favorite combine memory?

I really love to watch fast people run. I like to watch great runners run. In the Olympics, I like to watch the sprinters, and that is how I feel at the combine, so Xavierworthy. Last year, all of the guys who run really fast.

Yeah, my favorite was actually the Xavier worthy thing last year. I was here, I happened to be filming for the old Instagram, and it was electric. Everyone started murmuring at the same time when he finished running, knowing that they just witnessed something unbelievably cool. I don't think I'll forget that buzz for quite some time.

Were you filming him or yourself?

No, him, not myself. I wasn't running at all.

Because most of the time, you're just holding the phone toward your face like an idiot. Correct. That is what you do.

Forget the field. That's what people do nowadays.

I don't care what happens in the field. I mean, I care, but I really enjoy it.

Tune in Thursday on NFL Network. Tune in. Mike doesn't care.

Because I love the coach and GM cutteways in the crib. You get Belichick reaching for the popcorn. You get Sean Payton with the binoculars that he had backwards because he was seeing it from afar after Bounty Gate. He's used to seeing it that way. I made that joke back then. It was a good joke.

That didn't really land.

If you're the twin brother of another executive, wear a name tag before you fall asleep in the stands. We got a lot of guests. We got us two hours spectacular tomorrow. Look at this. We got everybody. That's a great list of guests.

You're all coming off the show. Let's go. You should be here.

See you then.