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Oh, my fucking Oprah phone. Do you feel like I get my stuff around me, I'm not very condo like I love stuff like home is where the stuff is. Yeah, that's my feeling about it. Hello, how are we all recording? Yeah, it's busy, we are busy. Phillips is doing her best today. Real? I did get a ringlet to try out, but this is a lot. I didn't turn it on. I have Michelle's assistant in New York is helping me out because, you know, Raymond obviously is in Los Angeles.

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Yeah. And and so Dan is his name. And I've known him forever because he's he works for several people. He doesn't he's not just like one person's assistant.

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He does things for everybody.

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I guess in New York, you can kind of do that because you're always running around the city. Yes. Not like spread out. Like, anyway, he put this he he put this together for me because we're in the new place here in New York, or it's been like a very. Interesting time in my life, in all of our lives, really. I mean, it's wild in the streets, huh?

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Oh, hi. Did I say this is busy? Phillips is doing her best. This is this is busy. Phillips is doing her best. But the podcast, not the real life situation, which is what we're currently in. I'm joined by Casey St. Onge. Hello, Jackson. Hello. Friends and humans also doing our best, making their way downtown, walking past faces down near homebound.

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So, guys, we didn't really put our house on the market in L.A. and we got like an offer that's like a big offer, but not. So big that it's like, fuck, yes, but also like. I don't know, I think it's this is very this is like all a lot for me right now in this second to like.

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Think about all of these things, but also the only you know, I was I'm trying to I was like trying to rent our house in in L.A. because we tell you something.

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As much as this is like, you know, a lovely big television show for Peacock that I'm doing here in New York, do you guys do you know what the relocation thing is for actors generally on shows?

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It's like negative twelve dollars. It's like they're like they give you they give you 13 bucks and one one way plane ticket and they're like, go for it.

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Good luck. Yeah. Truly, they give you some envelopes and they're like, put your shit in there you be.

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They also give you enough money for New York of 1972.

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It's exactly like it's all negotiated by our guilds. So it's like Screen Actors Guild, like fought for this. And I'm like, I'm sorry, in what are we moving across country and renting a house now? Cable things work differently because when I did vice principals, they really boy, they really took care of us those six months. And oh yeah, I had rent houses and they put her up. Yeah. Really cool. But she's also very fancy and very famous.

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I don't know, they would have done that for me.

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I, I don't, I don't know because on, on vice principals like everybody kind of got that like cool apartment, whatever they want, like basically wherever they wanted and I paid. I'm looking for the Demmer, still got a story and I paid a little bit extra than what HBO wanted to pay just because I had my whole family with me. And I wanted to make sure that I always wanna make sure my kids are comfortable.

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And and so I and and for that, like, they cannot be in the same bedrooms because I had my children too far apart for them to ever. Yeah.

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Hang anyway, you know, and it's just the reverse anyway. They could if we had trained them that way they could have done it. You know, I found the dimmer. I found that I knew there was a dimmer.

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It can't be too bright. Now, also, that should make you go blind. It is very bright. Do not lead directly into the LED light into Europe.

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We can see we're working together.

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When I got snow months from now, I'm sure it was before we started working. I don't think I've ever told what photo shoot it was. OK, no, I don't think so. When I dry when I did the cover of Health magazine in a bikini. And I was like, so excited about it because I felt like this was like it was really cute bikini.

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And it was just like a fun photo shoot to do, and they were like, we really want to get natural light, so we want to shoot outside in your yard. We shot it at my house and I was like, oh, fun. That's fun. But so also what they want to do, I also was the lady at the time pushing 40, you know, whatever whatever the fuck that means, who but like they they so we're outside natural light.

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But they also just, like, blasted these ring lights like so that it was just like my skin looked like I had no not a nerea line in it. Like I just looked airbrushed and perfect. Yeah, sure.

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And when they put so much light on you, it almost looks like you don't have a nose job. I mean, it almost does look like I don't have a nose, but I like, look hot and I, like, love the pictures. And they didn't. I was specific about the request to not mess with my body and they were great about it and like didn't remove anything or make me look like I, you know, whatever, however.

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The ring lights were really bright and they're like, open your eyes, open, open, you know, like, OK, she was like, it was a long day and there was a lot of stuff that was outside.

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And then also with the flashing ring light that was like right in my face and six thirty PM photo shoots over people wrapping up, leaving. And I'm like, oh God, I washed my face and I was like, oh god I don't kiandra my makeup artist who I always work with.

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What did you use my what is this eye makeup. It's like burning in my eyes and she's like well that's no that's the mascara you always use because like, I didn't change anything. And I was like, oh my God, it feels like I have like Milosz in my eyes. No, you're fine. I was like, OK, gosh, OK. She's like, maybe just go rinse your eyes out again. I'm like, OK, I.

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Well, I went to rinse my eyes out.

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I was like, oh God, it's getting worse. I tried putting in and it made it so much worse. Oh I like ice packs out was like putting them on my eyes. I didn't know what the fuck was happening.

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You probably like burnt your cornea or something. Ginger I guess what I did was I burned my corneas.

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I do. You're a good person.

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You're you know, blue eyes are more photos and very delicate.

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It's called snow blind. And people often get it. They get it from skiing and in snow. And when they from how bright the light is that really the it's a hilariously unrelatable collection.

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You get it from skiing in Aspen. I'm a bikini photo shoot. What you got it. And it like being on the ocean in like in a boat in the Mediterranean. I swear to God, like Anderson Cooper has had it.

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You know what I mean? Like, of course, also Anderson Cooper. Anderson Cooper. Yeah. Also Anderson Cooper is a Vanderbilt a Vanderbilt know blitheness. OK, yeah. I'm 100 percent like exactly. If you've ever met who has a trust fund or comes from money someone in their family has had. And it's terrible. It's terrible. But anyway, I ended up at Cedars.

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I ended the hospital because I had a cornea infection. What it was like the most painful thing ever. And like I they gave me a droplet that like it was like a cream, like it was in eyedropper. But when it came out, it was like I had to wait for it. Yes. To drop, like, I'm just looking to it. And then it was like a salve. Like we it here my I was like, yo, medicine is fucking wild because this feels great at Cedars.

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They give me like they numbed my eyes, they gave me those like goo to put it in my eyes and then and she's the only thing that you can do is just wait. It heals.

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You have to wait. Yeah.

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It's really legit Xanax to take like like I had to take because I was I was panicking and freaking out. It hurt so bad and I was just like I couldn't open my eyes, I couldn't close my eyes.

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It was terrible. So yeah, your body does a wild thing because when I had like I had a tear in like a like a cornea infection. It hurts so bad. I like contact lens or what from the contact lens. And like I felt like I was like, hi, like my body. It hurts so bad that my body was like go to sleep in the car till you get to the doctor. I was like, nobody, we have to stay awake.

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It's like the kind of pain when your body's like go to sleep because you can't do anything about it now you just have to wait for it to heal. So I like passed out in an Uber and then I would feel like a special eye doctor. I can't remember what it's called, but it wasn't just like a regular eye doctor. She was like a lady who specialized in like taking care. Of course, she knows all about the cornea help.

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Yeah, it it costs, it costs extra. But that's what I was working at, a job that was giving me all kinds of insurance. Shout out to that retailer.

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That's what retailers are good for, retailers and coffee shops, generally speaking. Well, guys, so luckily I don't know about I'm not I'm not facing any current issues, the dimmers down. So I think we're safe for the time being. But how are you guys doing? Is anyone doing their best?

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I feel like we're I feel like I'm turning a corner and I'm going to and I'm doing my best at a few things and I'm trying hard. And I think I was up all night and I was crying all night, which is awesome.

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But par for the course right now. Yeah, I know. I have to say, it's like it's a lot.

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Everyone's crying at everything. I'm seeing a lot of men saying they're crying about things like guys I normally consider pretty stoic. So if they're all losing it, then what are we expected to do?

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I don't know. I don't know, but. Now, let's go around the table, the proverbial table reading your best out this week.

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I don't know, I waxed my eyebrows. We only Çanakkale when say they look good here. Did you die, too? Yeah, I did them all.

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This is something that I do myself.

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I've always been doing it myself for years because, as you know, fun fact about me. It's not fun at all. It's boring. I have incredibly sensitive skin to a lot of fragile uses.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Fragile skin, fragile, you know, which is interesting.

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You know what what a metaphor to be fragile skinned. Let me just describe it to you this way. My dad used to love to eat like the little green peppers from a jar like the you know, those jarred green peppers. Yeah. And he would sometimes kiss me on the cheek and that would ruin my face for a week. I would like get a welt that would spread across my face. Yeah, I'm burns too. Yes, I will get a lime burn, I'll get a sunburn very easily like I have a bottle of sunscreen right next to my bed and I put it on the second that like the sun wakes me up in the morning.

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This is funny why people are wild. This guy is trying to kill you. Yeah. Besides trying to kill me. Yeah. Delicate alabaster skin. So yeah.

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So I do, I do my eyebrows myself and I take a lot of pride in like when they come out good because sometimes they don't. But I've just had a bad experience like trying to get them done in a salon where obviously you can't do that right now anyway.

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But like even in the past I tried to go to a salon a couple of times and like, gotten my face ripped off because they're used to dealing with people with non fragile skin.

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So I I'm curious, though, why you do a wax and not a plug for real. My eyebrows are so thick that I get like a five o'clock shadow, like they grow back the second that. Yeah. So so I really have to carve out like I have to carve out. So there's two of them first of all, and then I have to really carve out so that they're are like eyebrows shaped. A lot gets taken off. So tweezing them just takes forever and ever.

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And I would have to do it like every few days. So anyway, I just wax them. But good. Thank you. Thank you. And I really let them go for a long time.

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So I did like rip off a little skin, which is not typical for me, but I'm just, you know, going around with like some forehead scabs.

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But I like this, like, fine, I'm up for it. I've never I've never had my eyebrows down. My eyebrows are naturally arched.

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Oh, so lucky. Very loud. So the women in my all the women on my dad's side of the family, we all have naturally arched eyebrows. And I'll send you guys a picture of me, like as a baby I'll never forget. I like with my granny went to open the door and I was like behind her. And I'll never forget an adult woman was like, oh my God, who I kissed your eyebrows. And I was like I said, I'm seven.

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I, I, I'm going back to watch TV. Oh, my God, I've heard that before. I was like, I don't know what that means.

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Oh, my God. Here, I'll send you a picture of myself as a baby. This is like love, baby. Casey, do you have the same you have the same face. I love anybody who has like a like they're a baby and then they grow up. You're like, oh, my God, that's that's your baby face.

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There was a time when I guess my dad left his razor down on the edge of the oh, the bathtub. And I picked it up and I just was like shaved.

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The only thing that I could think to shave, which was my eyebrows, I shaved my eyebrows, like, completely off.

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And it was like I was very little, probably like three maybe.

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My gosh, I'm glad you didn't shave your face. Oh, my gosh.

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But I just remember, like, it was a big drama in my house that I shaved my eyebrows off. And then I remember my mom trying to, like, pencil my eyebrows back in so that I looked normal because I'm sure she was probably like, people are going to think I'm letting my kid play with a razor. I just looked insane. And it was right before my birthday and I just remember it.

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So I have like a picture of myself, like on hippity hop in a bathing suit with, like, no eyebrows.

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Oh, I thought you were going to say you were on the hip hop in a bathing suit with drawn on eyebrows. Red. No, no. My dad, my favorite aunt was a hair stylist.

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And I remember her being like to my mom, like, it's not working. You have to come back very soon, but you can't keep doing this.

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I feel really lucky that my Niños brows grew back so many. Yeah, yeah. Many white girls were not so lucky.

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They were always doing something eyebrow's. But I never I was Pathet. I never went stupid. Yeah. They were very thin because they're, they don't grow back that. I have friends who like because we were in our, like, middle school when you really started doing that, when in the early 2000s when low rise jeans and skinny eyebrows were big. And there's girls that I went to high school with, wear them bras and come back.

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It was such a bad time for me. It was such a bad because like to get those skinny eyebrows, impossible low rise jeans.

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I have like a super high butt crack that I you know.

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Well, two things about that. No. One, I'm doing this girl's five ever. And there are these flashbacks that take place in the 90s and also the same. I do not have the body for a Loris Jean and I got a hot bod. I'm mean, I enjoy my body, but there is a gene that looks hot on my body and it is not a low rise.

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And you like an extremely high rise. I you know, I like I did a high rise.

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I have a high, small ish waist like my butt, my weight. My smallish part is high. Yeah, I'm yeah.

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I'm like my girlfriend calls it a tall but I have to have a call but you have to tell it. I'm like I'm curvy and go in and out.

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But it's so we just try to FaceTime me from a number. I don't know.

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What the fuck is that. No, no.

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Also I barely FaceTime surprise face time with numbers. I do know it's me. It's time to only to Casey.

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She's the only one because I would like never not take a call from you but I will one hundred percent not take office and be like oh sorry, sorry I was sick but anyway. Yeah but I'm just going to have to I don't know, I need my waist, I'm short waisted and in the is that's a thing I have long legged in short waisted.

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And in the nineties when that was all the rage, that low low rise, it just looks ridiculous on me and you can't sit down. You got to be standing up like that. Comes out like I am not hot Jean. Yeah.

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So much and like everybody is but comes out of it. Everyone, everybody. Not so much of the top of everyone's butt crack, but you can feel it. And when it's getting near the hole that's dangerous, like in the waistband of your pants is about to reveal your butts outlet.

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That is not for me, but Allah is really good to me. I'm in a good mood today.

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I am moving into a place now for a period of time while I work on the show here in New York City, and she a. just moved into her beautiful new apartment. And Casey hasn't been in her house that long.

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Have you had that experience? Yeah, it's too much. It's not with a frame bridge and it takes a really long time forever. They're like, yeah, that'll be three thousand dollars if you want that antique layer glass. Yeah. And you can have it in February. Twenty twenty one. Yeah. So I just want to send it off, I just want to send it off and it'll come to me when it's ready and easy peasy. I know exactly what I'm going to get done from Frame Bridge.

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Do you want to hear. Yes. OK, so we bought our house from a family that lived here for like over forty five years and in the driveway when they poured the concrete driveway, their little kids wrote their names in the concrete and it's so sweet and I see it everyday. So I'm going to do like a rubbing of that and then get it framed and send it to the old owners of our house.

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Oh my God, that's so nice. That is that does that count as your one for someone else? Maybe. Yeah. OK, so maybe there's one for you in there. Is there like a piece of art or something that you want to get framed. Oh my gosh.

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So many things. Yeah. I have to go through. We try to like rotate out what we hang up because, you know, you only have so much wall space, so. Yeah. So I'm going to be yourself. I'm off wall space.

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We have we have so many windows that there's hardly any walls. I'm just kind of like, yeah, I'm gonna get like a ton of like, unicorn things printed out for Corica, just like a bunch of little women stills printed out for birds.

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Yeah. The razor. Good razor. Like the razor. Yeah.

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I like razor because you can they put they give you a little magnet for it on the wall so it doesn't get, it doesn't rust. I was like oh hell yeah. They really. I know because I, I don't love the disposables. I mean I'm not going to and I don't like paying too much money. You know, it's not great for razors when they always have to be locked up at the store, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean it's like the item that's like like you have to call someone over to get them out. But then we're in the the club getting there anyway. They're very sharp patented blades. It's expertly designed. Like Shantaram said, the magnet is very cool because the razor just sticks there. It doesn't like fly off in the shower and hit your toe and cut your foot.

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That did I tell you about when I cut my butt with a razor? Because just what you're talking about because like, I like I was shaving my legs and then I went to like, do, you know, shave behind the back of my legs. But because. It was a small shower, I bumped my arm and hit the hand with the razor and it went flying up over my head and like, bonked me on the butt and then fell to the floor of the shower.

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And then when I bent over to get it. Wow, did that hurt?

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The shower water just went into, like, the cold. I know that. Yeah. Yeah. And so anyway, listen, I appreciate that magnetism, but appreciates that magnet.

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What about you. Where are you doing your best at. What am I doing. My best that I wouldn't get tested for covid this morning. So I think I'm doing my best and taking everything seriously.

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I do not remember I said that senators at the confirmation hearing who tested positive three days ago or Lindsey Graham who for sure as positive and refused to get tested.

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You know, what's wild to me is that as I've gotten older, we've talked about this before, that I've realized that I am really good at, like, setting boundaries and not letting other people like really like, fuck me over.

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You're the best at setting boundaries like that. I want to I want to compliment you on it, because it's something that I've struggled with in my life. And I always try to learn something from people. And that's like my big lesson from J.A. is like, you set a boundary. I agree. I haven't learned that yet. But like boundaries, who is what I love? Who is she? Where she I do love a boundary. My parents, we talk about this before too.

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But my parents did a really good job of listening to me and like respecting boundaries. And then when I got older, I learned what that was.

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I was like, oh, my dad does that. Like when he said he's not going to say something anymore, he does that. So, like, I was like, doesn't your dad? And people will be like, no, no. But I'm watching it. And it's like there are people that have been tested positive for covid just talking with no mask. And like, if I was like a whole as senator, I'd be like, I think the fuck not.

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You trick as bitch, you better put on a mask or I'm not coming in here. It's are just like not doing it. And I'm like, what are the boundaries? If you have like the like if you're strong enough to be like I want to be a senator, I'm going to do that. You got to be strong enough to be like also I'm aware of that because that man could kill me. So it really kills me watching people just be like, so we just go ignore that they got a deadly virus that could kill you and you just go sit in that room.

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I just don't know. OK, sounds like it's I don't understand. Yeah, I don't get it. I really don't get it. It's so I mean, obviously all of this so much of the last four years has defied logic to me.

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Truly, truly. I'm like absurd. Absurd. It's absurd.

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But this absurd week, these last two decades, in the past few weeks have been some of the most surreal like like futuristic like but dystopian fucking insanity. Like, I truly think that we're going to have to take, like, Salvador Dali paintings down and just put pictures of our Senate up. There is no more surrealism like fuck a melting clock. Just show me a screenshot of Lindsay Makone, Barry and Lindsay Graham, or just like take a picture of that Rose Garden thing and just be like and then we had twenty twenty surrealism.

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There's a new visionary feat because you can't you couldn't you couldn't paint it like this is like I do, I, I do feel like in a weird way, I hope that this is doing the opposite of the intended effect, like it's making people go it's, I believe, fucked.

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OK, well, I want to tell you two more things I. In the middle of the night, as I was like, oh, my God, trying to deal with this. Wrap my head emotionally around this thing with my house. What are we going to do? What's going to happen? I don't know. We'll find out next week, guys. We'll all know by next week, because here's the thing, no matter what, like if we end up, which we weren't necessarily planning on, but like maybe if this is the right thing and we sell the house to these people, like.

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Mark can take the girls back, but I will not be able to go back to the house because I'm working here and so I would have to quarantine for 14 days and I can't there's no time to do that.

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We start shooting on Monday, so you don't get to go back to say goodbye to your house. I would never. Yes, I will never like when I left for three weeks to come to New York. Like, that's it. I'll never. It's weird, I don't know. It's like, oh, it's wild thing to, like, wrap your head around and it's just because of this, like, really intense time that we're living in that, you know, and I've you know, I bought we bought the house.

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I always say I and Mark in therapy was like, it really bums me out how you always say I bought or my kids. And when we do these things, you know, like, yeah, that's fair. But like, we both we bought the house when I'm not going to say we were pregnant.

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I was fucking pregnant, pregnant with Burtie.

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And, you know, we brought her home from the hospital to that house. Yeah. Obviously, cricket was born in that house, too. We've lived there for. We almost 14 years we bought the house almost 14 years ago. Was I pregnant? Yes. Wait 14 you know, 13 years ago. We bought the house exactly 13 years ago this month. Yeah, the end of this month. OK, now, November, November. No, I got pregnant.

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What is time? This is true. Oh, I got pregnant on Thanksgiving with Berty. Thanksgiving, happy Thanksgiving, must have been a good Turkey, Qatar, Turkey makes you go to sleep now that I know the whatever it was December, we bought it December of twenty twenty nine. Twenty seven December. I just I'm really struggling right now. In case you can't tell, I was up all night trying to just, like, make sense of how I would even do that, what would make sense to me, how I could like.

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Because Casey pointed out to me yesterday when we were on the phone, the my parents like essentially sold my childhood home when I was away at college. And I came back are like they like we're like, guess what? We sold the house. And I was like, what? The house wasn't for sale. That was never on the market. My mom's like, I know, but I was showing clients a house in the neighborhood and they loved the floor plan of the House on Del Patiño.

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And I said, but they didn't like the exterior. And I was like, well, that's just like my house. We have the same floor plan and we're two blocks away. And then they just said, well, can we buy see your house? And so I just took them over here to show it to them. And then they just made us an offer we couldn't refuse. And I was like, so devastated by it.

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Like, I felt like I had no like I, I felt kicked out like. Yeah. Which I know is different for these kids because they get to go home. We're also they get to see it. Yeah.

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Also like they're not gone forever, you know. I mean like going off to college and coming back and the parents are like buy all your stuff is gone. And we instead of like you and your sister having that, we're just gonna have one bedroom in the new house.

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That will be for either one of you to stay in, you know? And it's like, what?

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And it's going to be also just like furniture that we like and you're going to have none of your stuff there, you know?

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So it's like, yeah, it was really traumatic for me. Yeah. But this is a different situation and I need to remember to always separate myself from that. But this is what I want to stay up all night losing my shit. Guys, I, I like in my delirium, I think I bought I was like, I've been going nuts. This place, this house that we're staying in is so nice, really beautiful. It's all gray.

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Like everything is like gray.

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And yeah, it does look like gray. Not to it looks like. What's that. Christian Grey. It looks like like a like a single, like a single rich dude with like. Yes I know what ladies like. Silver and gray wolf. Yeah. Oh yes. Yes. Shinjiro you fucked up. It looks like. OK, all right.

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I want you to know how many logit like fluorescent rugs I purchased on like we went bananas. There is anywhere from colored three some color to fifteen rugs that are going to show up at our house next.

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And artwork I bought like post like prints and I was just like. At least I mean, at least I'm just going to make it look like I'm going to just put some color on the wall, I don't even know what's happening, guys. I've lost my mind.

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But I feel like if I can just get some throw pillows, some colorful rugs don't match the grey, it'll be great.

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OK, you have like a nice neutral background. Yeah, I tell you, I know. I can tell you the girls bedrooms. Yeah. So cute like that. Cutest I because they didn't they had these people. It's like this house was like partially furnished and they had two boys. And so we were like, we don't need any of that stuff, like we'll just and I just Pottery Barn kids that, you know, targeted it targeted. Yeah, a lot.

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And Bertie is like all in her little women phase.

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And so she has, like, this cute little little women, Urban Outfitters pre-teen vines and and cricket got the house bed that she had always dreamed of from Pottery Barn kids.

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And it's real cute. I'll take pictures. I'll put the pictures online. So anyway, I'm trying to do my best of, like, keeping everything in perspective. I am really overextending myself. But I think it's worth it if I can stay sane and remember to be a good person. In the poll, I think I think you don't have to remember to be a good person because you are a good person, the being sane part is something you really because I know every once in a while I lose it.

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I'm like, what the literal fuck is going on, you know? And then I'm like, I just I keep together. But like, the good person will come easy. It's the keeping it together. It's hard out here, man, because also if you're a good person, it's harder to keep it together right now. If you're just a piece of shit, you're having a gay old time and not the fun kind of gay, you know, you might need something that someone said to me right when I had Berdy and I was really like, if you read my book, you know, that I had really intense postpartum anxiety, but I just was like, so.

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Focused, it was like, I'm just not going to be a good mom, like I'm just not going to be able to do this and be good at it. And I just want to be good for her like I want her. It's already stacked against her with me being her mom. Do you know what I mean? Because I know in a way it sort of is I'm not normal like a normal mom in quotation marks, but I'm not like there's no way I could ever be that right.

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Like, I'm never going to be the like I can volunteer at the PTA to, like, do the merch, you know, but then it's like whatever.

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I'm just saying I'm never there's a lot that, like she has to deal with that is unique and unusual. And then on the other side of it, she gets really amazing things like people from, you know, Brooklyn nine nine saying sending a video for her for Happy Birthday. Right. Right. Yeah. I try to give my kids these ebbs and flows. Correct? Correct.

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But a friend of mine said, you know, the only people I ever worry about as parents are the ones who say that it's going great. And that they're like, I think they're like nailing it. Thank you so much, Sam. Yeah, and I actually noticed that we like school parents and stuff that like the ones that are like, oh, my God, she's a dream. She always has been a dream. Like, my kid is a dream.

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Like your kids.

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Yeah. I fully remember living in Brooklyn and I was young when I had my first son. People would always ask if we were the nanny, me and my husband, because we were so much younger than everyone that had kids in Brooklyn.

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And I remember, like, you know, running into this mom that I would always see and like holding my son. And she's like going on and on about like how advanced her baby is and like how it's just been such a pleasure. And then, like for a second, like getting my confidence shaking and then like looking at her baby crawling around and I'm like, well, your advanced baby is eating dog shit right now. So our kids are very lucky.

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Yes. And that's not to say that things aren't rough sometimes because we both have, like, challenging issues as parents. I know. But for every one challenging thing about it, there are ten things about it that are wonderful and I wouldn't change. Your kids are lucky.

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Well, that reminds me one other thing I'm doing this week, which this is Wednesday, guys.

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Wednesday and I four years for the last decade have volunteered and donated time and money to this organization in L.A. called Hollygrove. And I love Hollygrove because what it does is it provides like really essential mental health services to kids and teenagers and support to families in Los Angeles who are otherwise have no access to it, like no ability to.

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And like one of the things that you're saying is that it's like whatever challenges like we have with our kids, I know that I can afford or I would make it work in order to, like, get it figured out, whatever the help, I need it.

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Right. So anyway, I love Hollygrove. We normally do this like fundraiser. That's like a fundraiser that, you know, does, you know, that you go, yeah, and we can't do that.

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So they were doing this like ten days of giving and the last day is Thursday. And so I am going to do today, all day Wednesday for twenty four hours, I'm going to do like a ten thousand dollar match. So if anyone donates any amount of money, donate a fucking dollar, I don't care. And then you post in your stories the receipt, you know, then I'll like match it. So it's two to one. So like I'll double all of the things.

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So I'm doing that today. Oh great. Yeah. Anyone wants to do it. I know there's lots of stuff. Oh, and then the last thing I wanted to tell you guys was about how I got really, really drunk on Saturday night on accident because on accident.

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Yes, I'm still doing Zoome School in Los Angeles and like I don't know what's going to happen. I mean, this is they're definitely staying for the time being and they're Zoome schools. There's no reason to switch that, right?

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Yeah, well, except for if you sell your house in Los Angeles, Casey, I'm I'm I'm just watching something you might not have thought of bridges when we get there. Sorry to interrupt. Cross them so.

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Yeah, that's a good point, though, truly, but anyway, but the school the cricket goes to Burty had gone to, this is so weird to me, but like the fanciest schools are the ones that do fundraisers, like you're already paying money. But then on top of it, you have to donate money. And it's like, yeah, how many more fucking 3-D printers do you need? Anyway, I love the school.

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I love the elementary school that cricket goes to. And every year for the last 10 years, there's been this like East Side families because it's really in the valley. But like we all a lot of people live in Hollywood and their kids, like go over the hill to the school, like Eastside family is winetasting.

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Fundraiser thing, and so like five families cohosted, and then there's like a Somalia comes and there's like wine on the parents, I get tipsy and it's always like so much fancier than that's how I know that my kids went to a medium school because we had like a disco night and I found one of the moms vomiting into a preschool sized toilet, OK?

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Yeah, I hear that. I mean, people have gotten, historically speaking, wasted at the wine tasting event at that point.

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Regardless of that, regardless of the of the fanciness level. The point is to get drunk right at your kid's school.

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But so I sort of I had said when the the couple that, like, had been the main, like, hosts putting it together, their last kid graduated last year. Anyway, at the event when I was like drunk and the guy who, like, done it for however many years was like, I guess I don't know if anyway, this is the ninth year. I can't believe we didn't make it to ten years. If anyone wants to take it for the 10th annual wine tasting event.

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And I was like, oh, my God, I forgot.

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I just know no know. But I knew what he was doing. He knew what he was doing. You don't ask that in the beginning. You ask that at the end you get the good drunk baby.

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And Mark was like, we are. I was like. So so it went out like in January of last year, I picked the fall because I think wine is cozy and you want to be in the fall when you're drinking wine. And so anyway, covid and so then two weeks ago, my friend, my very good friend Sam, who's married to Colin, my ex-boyfriend from college, called because she's like the head of the like party committee or whatever.

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And she said, Babe, are you still doing this fundraiser? It's in two weeks. And I was like, what? I mean, there's no what how would I. I'm, uh, sure. Yeah, no, I'm like, OK, yeah. I just wanted to check in because, like, I hadn't heard anything, but like, you know, you do have, like, a lot of people who have RSVP. And like, I think, you know, it'd be great if you can figure out a way to do it, but you have to figure out a way to do it.

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And I was like, I'm on it. I also shout out to Sam because she knew you had the shit. She said, let me go in busy and be like, oh, my gosh, girl, I did it already right under control. But I'm just calling to say, I know that you're already doing it. Do you need help doing what you're doing? I swear to God that good you need help because she's what you're already, already doing.

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She had a bad side. Let me call this girl. I know she did not do it anyway, so I was like, yes, on it.

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So I sent an email to Marlee, who is the woman who has the best pizzas ever, more up pizzeria here. And it was like a pizza truck. And they always thought they were going to open like brick and mortar. And then covid happened. They were doing pop ups and then covid happen and now and they figured out how to make their pizzas like frozen. Have I sent you any Kacie? Have you had any.

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I know you're allergic to believe we went to their restaurant. Right. Know we ate it like one of the pop ups.

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Yeah. One of the. Yes, yes. Anyway, so they started making their pizzas frozen and they like released them on Friday and they're always sold out and they're just like us. And there she and Zach are, just two good people. And then she even was like, I mean, she's incredible. They started doing like a one for one frozen pizza where they were like. When you bought a frozen pizza, they would then donate one to like a South Central food bank thing and then they like they're just Chido.

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So I had talked to her, I guess, a year ago that I'm catering this event. Yeah. And so I reached out to her and I was like, I don't know if you remember this, but I was supposed to host this thing in two weeks and what am I doing?

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And she's like, well, I guess we could deliver, you know, two pizzas to the house and maybe like, I can get my friend to open this natural wine bar in East Hollywood to put to do bottles of wine. But so so we figured it out.

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And then I was like, great. And she's like, do you wanna make like maybe you want to make, like, cute tote bags?

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I was like, oh, that's how, you know, you like you're a good person. You surround yourself with bad bitches. That's what happens because you're like, what should you do it? It's like, I don't know. I know you've already thought of this, but maybe we should do this thing. You thought of a girl. I was like, let's do it. I've got it right. And I was like, yeah, tote bags on it.

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So then I sent the email out to the other host people and you and I had been talking with this Singer-Songwriter and he's got such a beautiful voice. And he started this thing called Side Door, where you can like have live events and concerts. And like Shinjiro, like you could do standup and like people ticket, like they get tickets and it's nontransferable. So, like, you can't just let people in on the Zoome anyway. So I reached out to Dan and I was like, I need to do this fundraiser thing in LESBIAN'S now.

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It's a week and it's like it's like a little over a week. We have to do it in seventy two. I truly is.

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Dan Mangan by the way, if you want to look man. Dan Mangan.

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Dan Mangan. Cool. So anyway, so I was like, Dan, I need to do this thing and can we use side door and also maybe do you want to play like just a few songs, maybe like you. Do you think that you do. And he's like, yeah, sure, OK. I mean, tax. And so I centella thing to the host committee and I was like, oh my gosh, you guys. So we're getting pizzas and delivered and tote bags and Dan is going to sing a few songs.

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And then my friend Simran, who I think you guys all know who was of course was on the host committee with me and she wrote back and she's like, Do you know how much people paid for these tickets? And I was like, I did not. And she told me. And then I was like, we're going to have to add more to this.

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Like, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So then we got like there are those meat and cheese boards from Lady and Larter that I love.

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I love Lady and Ladha. Just even if you are in L.A., follow them because they are so aesthetically pleasing like you know is around the country. Oh yeah. Order it or it's so pretty. And it's just like have you ever seen the fig next to a honeycomb. Just get with it. Yeah.

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I mean just like get on board with how beautiful. So pretty. Yes. I love this prosciutto. Beautiful.

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I want to say four days away and at this point Simran is like on board and she's like also helping me to execute and to like coordinate with people because I'm in New York too. Yeah. And so what I'll do is, like, she will she would text me and I would already be asleep at night. And then I would wake up at like seven, six thirty in the morning and she would be asleep.

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She would be sound asleep. And I would like respond to all the things I could respond to. And then during the day when I was like away doing stuff and she's in her Zoome writer's room for her, the TV show she's on, she would like respond to the emails and then email me at night and then like the whole thing was again. So we get the meat and cheese boards taken care of. Great. Then I'm like, but we need something else.

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Like Dan singing a few songs is so amazing because you know how well a magic bitch I love magic. And I was like, oh, that's that's it. We should have a virtual magician not thinking that most people are like, don't don't love yourself magic.

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I love that. I love magic. I went to a wedding once and like they had a magician doing sleight of hand, which is my favorite. And there was just man next to me and he was like, you know, it's fake. And I was like, first of all, shut the fuck up. I'm at a wedding. I'm at a wedding. And we're trying to enjoy ourselves. And if you want to shit on this man who's making this limón disappear right in front of me, do it after I leave, OK?

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Do not ruin this magic for me. I swear to God I'm magic naysayers there. Yeah, I like it. So I know, like, you know, it's not real, you know. Idiot. Yeah, I know. Just let me enjoy this so fun story, one time I was standing in line at Lakmé and I met Vanessa Williams brother, Chris Williams. He did magic for me in line. Oh, my God. Oh, my hot.

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You got the hot man to do magic for you. Yeah, he did. That would be truly amazing. OK, so. So I sent the email out to the other host committee and I swear you could hear the crickets come. Well, I look, guys, I have the best idea of virtue, but they don't love it.

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Like the one email back from Amy who was like on the host committee, one of the moms on the host committee was like, well, I defer to you because and I was like, OK, so I did a quick Google search and I found this guy.

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Let me let me. Why do you guys let let me tell you something about Harris and Kramer, magician and mentalist.

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I liked his name, Harrison, because that was the name of my childhood dog that we loved that died and truly and so I was just like Harrison Kramer, great name, I'm on board. And so anyway, it's all coming together. And then at this point, I sort of like lost steam and I was getting depressed. This was toward the end of last week. And then Cimarron, my friend, said, really, this is like when you're right, Chinderah, I do surround myself with bad bitches and Cimarron and my other friend Cartera like Cartera, who's getting.

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Yeah, who's Michael Ealy.

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I you know, I can't even remember who Michael Elys, my beautiful wife.

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And she's an amazing, amazing Socotra and someone like took over. I was like clearly overwhelmed and like made all of the pieces come together for these like 50 deliveries of two pizzas, three bottles of wine charcuterie, plate Cemre and added cookies from a woman in the valley named after Chica who make the give and some gluten free to if anyone's into that. And then we had Dan and the magician lined up and I was like, fingers crossed, all works.

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And then the day before the event on Friday night, Simmern texted me. So the Somalia from the the wine thing will tell us about the wines and then we'll get and I was like, oh, right. It's supposed to be a wine oh show. I didn't ask her to do that. And so that I was like and I wrote back to I didn't and simmer and maybe will listen to this. I don't know. She's very busy. Like I didn't even have the heart at that moment to be like I fucking forgot to ask.

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I just was like, yup, she's going to be there. And I texted Marlee from Labora. So then Saturday comes around. I wake up super early, stressed. I'm like, it's fine, whatever. Getting it all together, like always apparently happening in L.A., going off without a hitch. People are getting their deliveries of their tote bags and the wines and all the things. Ray did order the tote bags and and, you know, and I was like, OK, great.

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And I guess it's like at 8:00 tonight and Mark's like, it's at 8:00 tonight in Los Angeles. Busi it's at eleven tonight here. And I was like, that's correct. That's right. I'm on a different fucking time zone and I've been going to bed. I've been asleep by ten forty five. So I my roommate in college, Diana de los Rios, always used to say, dude, if you're too tired, you just got to drink past it.

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So showtime, showtime. I and I started drinking past my tired and I just kept going. And then the show the Natalee from Voodoo then came on, talked about the wine market. We talked about the pizza a little bit down, sang some songs. It was so beautiful. And then here are some of the magic happened, you guys. It was truly magic. It was the best thing that I've ever experienced.

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It was so much fun that literally the Amy who was like defer to you because, like, was texting. This is amazing. And I mean magic with those. I love fun.

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He was fantastic. And then Cartera did ruin one of his tracks because everybody was real drunk on wine. And she was like, no, that's not what I was. That's not.

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And she was like, I feel so bad I ruined him. I think it's OK. She who was drunk. I mean, I know, but I just I loved him. And I want to say to all you people out there who are magic disbelievers and who have to do weird parties for your offices and your I don't know, maybe you hired some local magicians because I really enjoyed this virtual magic thing.

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That's my maybe take away. Maybe we should ask Harrison if he wants to perform a magic show for our listeners. He hosts on side door my friend Dan. Oh, my God.

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Should we do that?

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You see, I love my son. Yeah, I love magic. That's my favorite thing that's ever happened. What I love about the holidays are coming up. I'm already fucking depressed, too. It's going to be nothing to do. Not even have a house. Right.

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Everybody everybody who comes is going to be people who like magic. So like we don't have to worry about shitty people.

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No, you can be an Amy. You can be like I just not really my thing, but like I'm in for you and like whatever you like to do. But you don't come to be rude.

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Don't be rude. Don't be rude about magic.

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There was one dad that was a little snotty and then even he was blown away.

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There's there's always a snotty dad.

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Yeah. Yeah. Tell us if you be into into that, maybe we can see what what Harrison's doing and maybe we can. I'm. Just the three of us, so 100 percent we're doing. I think it's so fun. I think magicians are so fun because if you meet a magician and they do a magic trick for you, that means they dress that morning and they were like, you know what, I need this big ass quarter in my pocket.

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You know, I love that. I love that they're just prepping for just maybe maybe they get to do a magic trick for a stranger. And I fucking love that.

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I love it. I really love it. It makes me so happy and I love it. We got so many everybody like after Harrison signed off, that was the end of the show, the end of the zoom. And I was just like it was 1:00 in the morning. I was a legit brownout drunk. I was like like so like ball. And I was like, I got I got a badge. You guys, I love you. And they got like a zoom afterparty, like someone like someone like sent out a zuman was like after party in this zoo.

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I guess I threw a really fun successful fundraiser that now is going to be parlayed into just a year long of Zoome magic events that we have shot at the Harrison make making a happy man.

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I love it. I can't wait. I'm a real magic bitch. I can't wait. So true magician, of all things, is our guest today.

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Yes, she is.

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Yes, she truly she makes she makes magic.

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She makes magic with everything that she conceptualizes. Miranda July has been one of my favorite artists for as long as I can remember.

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We chatted with Miranda about the pivot that she had to make in her brain when the movie Millionaire was supposed to be released and then a global pandemic hit and other things that. We wanted to talk about I hope you enjoy it. Well, guys, I don't know if you were able to see this ad that I did that I participated in for Warner Bros. But Warner is an old by Warner's asked me last year. No, it actually wasn't last year, guys.

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It was 20, 20. But it feels like last year, because of the way that the world has. Yes. What has happened. But so I did this I did this ad for them. But part of the reason why I did it is because I truly love those broads and I've been buying them since I was in college, but I'm not alone. They've been supporting women for over one hundred and forty years. Well, and they really know their stuff.

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They're designed by women for women. They know real bodies and like what we want from bras. And they're not afraid to talk about, you know, the underarm bulge or cup spillage.

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I'm not going to lie, I have declared no babies for me, I'm only 20, no more babies, 20, 20, even though I think it would help my career, I really do. Yeah. You know, I'm right.

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Every every every like actor, host, like personality. A baby means a bump. Like, everybody gets super excited about a baby.

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Yeah. More publicity. Yeah. Truly. Yeah, you're right. I'm not wrong. You're not happy in that way. I just am not making decisions based on my savageness, you know what I mean. No, wait, wait a minute, wait.

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That's not what I'm saying. You know what? I'm going to I'm going to congratulate you on being ambitious but not ambitious enough to have a baby just to get a career bump.

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I don't need the career bump that a baby would bring because I also know the other thing that a baby would bring, which would be too much work for me right now.

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But that's not to say that you shouldn't have a baby if you want one or they still want them.

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OK, let's get into this. Hello, Miranda, July, hi. Hi.

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Hi. I know you got some listening to this. And from the show, I know I was in a I don't get gussied up for podcasts like I'm not.

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I mean, I would for busy, you know, for sure. But just so you know, like I for everyone at home who can't see Miranda.

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She looks amazing. Yeah. She looks starlet from days of yore. And it's a it's a red a bold red lip and a red blouse. That is just it's amazing.

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It's I'm sorry that you all can't see it, but I took a pic, so I was on Seth Meyers and performing with Cecily Strong.

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He had like, amazing breasts.

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And I was it's like kind of high stakes.

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You're watching them right before you go on. But I was so inspired by her breasts that I ran out and got like a clip and go. I think I tend to like, clip this back so that hopefully a little open. There's a little I.

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I also had to tape these two things to the side would take this is too visual for a podcast.

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Anyways, the shout out to the cleavage of other women.

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Is that something that you that's something that you you fall victim to yourself of of like comparison in terms of like that. Like I did to me.

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Miranda, like like why are you even trying.

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There's no you strike me as somebody who would be like. Who cares about boobs? No, I care. I care. I was also like, oh, in contrast, I'm going to look like very, very schoolmarmish, albeit from the 30s.

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And I was like, is it too late to be like a river school school mom?

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I'd imagine those existed in the 30s. But that's like it's also like a very Bettie Page thing.

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And I do think that some people, humans prefer a tits out moment and some humans prefer 1930s schoolmarm where we have to do all the work ourselves.

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Or of course, I mean, I'm yeah, I get on it. I also I, I think this look is a vibe. So like I really do like a look that I like, everybody can't pull off. So I think this look is a vibe. So that's just me also. You have a feisty last name, Miranda July is a name you I personally feel you got to say the whole thing. It's good. It's like it's good.

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I say Miranda July a lot when I write good. Well instead of just to say Miranda.

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Yeah, it's just like it's a good name. You don't want to waste it by splitting in half.

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My child says like we'll be somewhere public and they'll call out Miranda July.

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It's like they like saying the whole thing and I'm like like oh I like that.

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Like so well known or something. It just seems very I don't I don't know.

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Berdy also will scream busy Philipps in public, but she does it as like an instigating thing. Like she's not trying to find me. She's trying to like call you, show me that she knows what she's like, her power.

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But I do think they'd get along.

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So how are things we are you on like this full press tour for Cogill Unair?

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Yes, I am. Which is funny because it's really like I am. And then I run home to teach distance learning and then I run back and it's it's different. Like, it's a different feeling from like being in a hotel room and like there's people around you taking care of your needs and you're in. And also you say you're leaving.

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You're going to like my office, my studio where I am now, which is lucky. Right? I mean, I really think and feel for all the people who are like just right next to each other. I might do it. It's how you do. Seth Meyers right next to Zoom Spanish class. I had it in her lap and it hasn't been pretty.

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We I did Seth Meyers and Bertie was in the back room doing her zoom and cricket was in the front room doing her zoom.

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And just by the grace, nobody came in while I was actually no one came into the bedroom while I was doing it.

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So, yeah, obviously this is lucky, but. I will say I still sometimes scream, kind of like yell and scream on my way back home just to, like, get it all out. Yeah. And be like, let me attend to your every need.

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You know, it's it's so weird. But also the movie. When was the movie finished? Wasn't it at Sundance last now. Yes, we finished well it was at Sundance in January. So it was right before now. In June. Yeah, but that couldn't happen.

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And so when that OK, I mean, I understand listen, perspective is a given. We understand that you are a person that's deeply feeling and aware of the world.

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So obviously your first thought wasn't like, oh no, but what of my movie?

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But I guess my question is, because so many of us like Casey and I had like a big work thing that was just I mean, I just disappeared. Yeah, I mean, it's dead.

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What was your sort of like how did you handle it in those, like when it first happened in March?

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You sell the movie in January, right? Yeah. You do it. And do you produce all your stuff yourself and do it independently with your own people?

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But no, I, I write it myself. And then I was with this movie, I brought it to Dee Dee Gardner, Plan B, and and then she already had a deal with Annapurna. And so it was very nicely and quickly financed. And I had these two great companies and then a great distributor and focus and it was sort of like, wow, I'm pinching myself.

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Miranda, can we back up a little bit?

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Because we do this thing on the podcast where we say Hollywood break, but you're just you're you're so nonchalantly mentioning your producing partners. But like for the folks at home, let's say the names of the people who who helped you make this movie. Yeah.

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Oh, well, the actors or the companies or the the I mean, I saw I saw some executive producers with some pretty impressive names.

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Yeah. That guy. What's he like. No, I know. I love that. Like in some of my interviews people say, like the first guy, they're really their only question is like how was it working with Brad?

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And I really want to be able to say like, well, like if I was feeling like tired or overwhelmed, you were just kind of hold me.

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And he didn't like this tender thing we did together. But actually, I, I have not met.

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I'm sorry, everybody.

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No, I really I really love that Brad Pitt's a part of it because like just like I'm black and like if you like a movie, like if every black person I know has like the movie in the last five years is like sneaky Brad Pitt produced, it would be like then this movie's good and they'll be like co-produced. It is like Brad Pitt or Reese Witherspoon and you're like, hell, yeah.

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Brad, his production company does really great stuff.

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And so yeah. Well you have to meet you to know that it was like a great idea to make this incredible film that you made.

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Yeah. Yeah. And it's Evan Rachel Wood playing old Dolia the lead.

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Oh, Dolia is the funniest. It's such a it's really intense. I have a question. Did you write the voice into the script or was that something she came to you with?

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Well, no, she I wouldn't I would have been too scared. I mean, just the wigs were like I was, you know, for days, like after we started shooting, like, still not happy with the way like that was a big commitment, much less a voice. But she has this lower register. It's hers. And that she trained up with a vocal coach because she sings. And it has something to do with like you get notes if your voice is too low and you don't know.

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But once she started doing it, I she sort of dropped into the character in a way or and I've kind of forgot, honestly, until I started doing press again and people were asking me and I was like, oh right. Like, yeah, yeah. Like I guess she just it was her voice.

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Yeah, yeah. The wigs, by the way, were outstanding. So however much you fretted over them, they were incredible.

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Yeah. I was going to say that but that's nice to hear.

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What, what the fuck did you just want to throw out Gina's name that Gina Rodriguez and Debra Winger, the other two women in the movie. And just in case anyone stops listening right here.

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She's also fantastic in the movie, that's not a wig, though, I know. She's so beautiful. And Debra Winger, did you always want to work with her?

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Was that a dream? Yeah. I mean, I've always she's sort of haunted me. Like, she's she's very like I feel like my dad gets off on her or something like like she occupies a kind of strange space, like a slightly like queasy from my childhood.

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Like, what are y are men being like. And but but weird and deep and complicated and and I noticed she followed me on Instagram which is just like there she is. Was that an accident. Is that because. I don't know. But no, she knew she had read my books and I think she was a little like.

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OK, this is the part really no makeup on here, a wig like because she's still, you know, she continues to be hot as the wife, you know. So she just doubled down on it, though.

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She was kind of like, fuck you, OK, I'm going to go like a hundred times harder on this because it's uncomfortable and I'm so committed.

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And I'm Debra Winger. Yeah.

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Can you just tell us a little bit, just give like a real quick what the movie's about, because it's so it's it's really amazing and it's so imaginative and creative.

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So there's this family of con artist Debra Winger. Richard Jenkins are the parents. They're twenty six year old daughter Evan Rachel Wood is still lives with them and doesn't know anything else.

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But this very low level, not they're not very good at their scams, like it's sort of diminishing returns on if they're even getting any money. And they but it's all she knows.

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And in the midst of a kind of desperate con, they meet Gina Rodriguez's character on an airplane and she kind of joins them and then ends up sort of asking questions that make that whole like the whole thing get turned upside down, especially it reveals a whole bunch of things about the family that that old Delio maybe never occurred to her before.

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Yeah. Yeah, it was. I really I really loved it. I thought it was like I just it was such a great story.

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So thank you. I feel like my my plots are always like, well, that really like because the things I make, they're not really in the plot, you know, for Halloween, but we need that.

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It's very refreshing to see something that doesn't follow any type of formula.

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When did you guys film it? Last summer. Busy these questions. I can't remember in the before times. Yeah, I mean, when I was in the before time. So yeah. Who remembers. I mean. Well, yeah.

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OK, so then you had to rearrange in your brain this thing that wasn't going to happen because no matter what you had an expectation of what. Yeah, I mean we were here with my like to me maybe this is true for anyone who had kids, like the pandemic started on the day I got the text from the school saying the school was closing. And definitely it was like, oh, I can't just ignore this right away. And I got that chance just for context.

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I received it while I was having a meeting with a stylist about what I was going to wear to Cannes. Great, great, great stuff.

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And we literally like we're in the middle of the meeting. And she also has a child and we just disbanded the meeting and both started just like texting our part, just being like, oh, shit. And and I was like, do you think I was like, I'm not sure, can I like? And it just we just couldn't continue talking about pretty dresses and like, you know, bald lips or whatever, like, yeah, it just ended and never resumed.

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I mean, what moment are we having on the carpet.

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We don't that ceases to be an issue, I will say, just to. Finish this line of thought, because I haven't really said this to anyone, because it's happening, I'm in the midst of it. So like, yes, big disappointment like all of us. I mean, cry for me, but I understand it's everyone but still for me and and then kind of like, is this going to go straight to streaming this movie? Just really lowering my expectations and.

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And then here's a couple things as our brains are being changed by quarantine. Here's a couple of things that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for this. One is so, you know, this movie would normally be released in four to eight theaters in New York and L.A. opening weekend. Those are the tastemakers, the coasts. That's my core audience, supposedly, and so forth. Instead, it was opened in five hundred and twenty theaters everywhere else, but also New York and L.A..

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Wow.

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And so the people who got to see it first are I mean, I'm getting messages from like 16 year old boy in the suburbs of Pennsylvania who just deeply identifies with old polio and all like it's a complete inversion. And I had this thought this morning, I was like, if instead of having your goal being like making money in the ordinary way, if instead your goal was, let's say, like, oh, no, a whole bunch of people feel very disenfranchised and alienated and disengaged from democracy and what they see on the screen, what what could we do to change that?

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I know. Let's reverse who gets to see things first so that they own it. That's awesome. And they they decide if it's good or not or relevant not, you know. So that's like that at that scale then on a more personal scale. So opening night, what would happen for me or or the night before opening night, I guess is there would be the premiere and then there'd be like a party at the Chateau Marmont, which is this fancy hotel.

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We call it the chateau, and it is to be extra extraordinary.

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I would have been there. I would have been there. I would have eaten.

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Those are in chatty rice balls that and I would have I know just I would have felt I would have hugged a million people and and. Ben, thank you, thank you, thank you all night and trying to remember people's names and really, truly honored and grateful instead, what happened was I drove down to Orange County with a few people, like my favorite people who worked on the movie. Not very many. We caravan, we got tested, we caravan.

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We saw it at a theater in Tustin. And then we went and sat on the beach in the moonlight and had a picnic and just went around and talked about the movie. And like, we're all such nerds because we made it the way I worked on it at a different part and they hadn't met each other. And I was like kind of in love with some of them. And they'd never met.

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And and I was like, oh, no matter what happens going forward, I will always have this, because this is the best. This is so much like I went home feeling like so happy, so fed, like my cup runneth over kind of feeling. And and it's not that there's a place for the party or whatever, but I was like I never tried that. There was never a time I never knew. And why would I. I would be busy on that night.

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And it just I guess I mean, it's not the first time, like, I've been through a crisis and come to sort of I mean, all you can do is own it. Right. In the end, you're like, here's why I'm here's what I have that's now a part of me. And I'm not letting go of it, even though I wouldn't wish this on anyone I love so much.

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Yeah, I really do too. And I think that's such. Yeah, man, all the things that, like, you wouldn't have had time to do, it never would have occurred to you to do it, you couldn't have just even if you had been like, you know what I really would like to do? I'd really like to do this. It wouldn't have been possible because everybody would be like, well, that's great. But you actually have to fly to New York, right?

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You know, like it would have to go through the motions of what you're supposed to do. Yeah. And there's there's kind of a feeling normally of like.

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I'm already getting so much and taking too much and having taking my toll on everyone around me, but I always feel anyways when I have something coming out and instead there was this feeling I will acknowledge of sort of like forever. And once you're like and I've only made use of that, I was like, yes, and you're coming with me. I'm like, wow, that's that's the thing I really love.

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I mean, everything that you've been saying, I really think about how I'd just like I love pop music, about how so many people give teenage girls guff, like about what they like, about how their opinions don't matter and how so many people think that 16 year old in Philadelphia is in a tastemaker or how those people like because they don't live in a major city that they like shouldn't get to enjoy really wonderful art. And I think that that is such a beauty.

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That is such a beautiful opportunity because you get pop stars because of teenage girls. You get that the people who are in L.A., in New York are the 16 year olds from Philadelphia. And when they turn 18, they moved to L.A. in New York. So I think that that was so it's such a wonderful opportunity to, like, give that to people, especially right now. They don't have I mean, no, I mean, like it's never like it never.

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Those movies rarely open. Yeah, right.

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Any of the this is the thing that, like Casey and I have talked a lot about is just that I have a whole theory that where we are now in terms of our political sphere and Donald Trump and the sort of very intense delineation between thinking in the country has a lot to do with that.

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Like 20 years ago ish, all of the sort of artists who wanted to say something meaningful in the art of our time, which is television, went behind paywalls.

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And then all of the free art that everybody gets to consume was just like reinforcing bad ideas like CSI and Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? And like, you have to get more money and you have to, like, fuck the girl on the honeymoon suite or else like, you know, whatever. And all of the sort of like progressive ideas that help push our culture forward.

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We're shut off from people who, I mean, deserve we all deserve to have our minds expanded by art.

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Yeah, that really that's I've been trying to have that idea or having this said, you know, it's like you I've had that thought about just like we had a bad feeling about reality TV.

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Yeah. But we weren't sure. We were like maybe we're just being snobby and, you know, and and we were. But but what you're saying kind of brings it home to me. Like, I understand it's not just that. It's that and nothing else.

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It's that. Yeah, it's that. And not being able to and being and being told like this other thing is out of your price range. It's not right.

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You if this isn't for this isn't for you, it's strange because it's so, it's so subtle but it's the same exact when you think about, about it. Have you ever like put your hand on a door to like a fancy purse shop and have the security guard be like, no, these purses aren't for you, you know, or or have like a saleslady say, like, this doesn't come in your size or whatever. It's like like that moment really stings.

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But the same thing happens in art and culture all the time is actually so insulting. Yeah.

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We're all in the same, we're all speaking the same language. But this is why I want this brings me to this Morand, which is that you successfully also I loved Millionnaire and we all loved it. And but but my favorite. I love so many things that you have done and created and made in your career, you know that. But, you know, my favorite thing that you've done was free to everyone. And it was sort of like an Instagram movie story.

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Stories, stories on multiple Instagram. Yeah.

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Margaret Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But so if you so OK, how do I even get into this. Do you want to talk about it. Yeah. Can you explain a little bit.

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Yeah. OK, so I mean I don't know how it seemed. It's sort of like my experience of it ruins the but probably how it appeared to busy as a viewer, as a viewer, how those things could have been more probably if she wanted to be was what that just one day there was a post with Margaret QUALI and I in our having a FaceTime call. And we were in like an impossible some kind of a fair romance, like you were in love, but you guys were like you were playing like yourselves sort of, but and you were in love.

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But it couldn't be it couldn't happen. And you posted it.

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And at first I think and it was just one post, among other things you were posting. Yeah. But then if you followed Margaret as well, she also had her own posts. Right.

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And then Rasheeda posted or was Rasheeda just in kind of kept going like we kept sort of torturing each other across Instagram. Sometimes she kind of had the upper hand and sometimes I was trying to win her back or the other way around. She went to Paris Fashion Week and was kind of getting over me and was with Rashida. And meanwhile, I was like back at home in L.A. and Jaden Smith started BAUMGART and that's where I joined.

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Yeah. I mean, there's two versions of this. There's the story for the public and then there's like the back story. And I don't know which one to tell right now, but you offered some advice, which was this thing, this ritual for impossible love called a hazy circle.

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And and I was like, I gotta get her back and get her into the circle of pennies. And she's busy.

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And but she was kind of like getting over it, which is just I just wanted to die. And and I tried to call her back by enlisting Sharon Van Etten to write a song, write a song to bring her back.

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And then in the end, we did we did the ritual with that song playing. And it's so good.

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And I was. And then and then I. Sent you, I don't remember, because I think it was I did it wrong, I sent you like a thing and I was like sobbing hysterically because I just couldn't take it was so I just it was so moving and so incredible and so beautiful.

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And I just, like, loved it so deeply and related so intensely and the touchstone busy, honestly, like really, really any time before I would person I'd be like, oh shit, I don't know. And then like if Busi got it and had always had just the right reaction, I'd be like I can like like I'm so glad.

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I wish more people would sort of try to expand and use these things in different ways and make things more available to everyone.

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How did people react to it? That's what I'm curious about. Like I know busy, got it and loved it. And she was like telling me like schooling me on it. How did other people react?

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It was pretty like it was a real ride. Like people were fighting it out in the comments. Like fighting it out. Yeah. Like, like it. There were fewer comments than you would think about. Like is this real and more about like what should I do or was I fucking with her or was she fucking with me like in the relationship or like giving advice or you know, that I love really feeling like they were left hanging.

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And I yeah, I got like an increasing sense like. Well, this is quite a lot of people on on this journey, and I mean, it's not I I needed it, but I said we needed it.

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And for me, I mean, as you're saying, busy, like, I'm not a purist about the medium of film because, like, I work in all these other mediums anyways. And I think of it is this very new medium that was made in this particular way by men and very like not not really like other art forms in that it was like it's so expensive that it was already this commodity.

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And but so my sense is that it will change. Like the very idea of what a movie is will utterly be transformed by the technology and is already and like I consider the piece with Margaret, a movie.

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It's like, yeah, me too wise. Yeah. But and porous in this way. But I think it's to me it's not like less valid as art than millionaire. It's like different things were possible because of what was available to the medium and different kinds of people will be able to tell different kinds of stories. And like I welcome that. It's not like the history of film is some sacred, perfect thing at all.

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I love that every day somebody makes a short movie, a story on like Tic-Tac, and is able to convey so many cool things on an app. Like there was a tick tock recently. I don't know if you guys seen it, but it was like a like a young paleontologist. And the joke is basically like, did you make the dinosaur? God says, did you make the dinosaurs meteor? And then the angel goes, you said meteor, right?

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Make the dinosaurs a meteor. And then he was like, no meteor. And she starts crying. And it's like ten seconds. And it's like, oh, the things that you can do with a medium when you don't have to be restricted, when you are just creating things for fun.

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The only people who don't like that are like people whose entire power is invested. Yes, absolutely. It's continuing to seem mysterious and impossible and inaccessible. And it's like, well, like this thing that anyone can do is more interesting than what I'm doing as a very expensive filmmaker. Then who am I like it right now.

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And I'd love to try to make you think it's brain surgery, right? Yeah.

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And it's not like whatever. I think there's room for all of it, but it will change. There will be some loss as new things come in. And yeah.

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Do you do you feel like people are still tuning in and hoping that they see more of that from you? Are they still believing it or are?

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The funny thing is, Margaret, should I tell you a little back story? Yeah. Yes, please. Margaret and I, we met at this party and actually just a dish. I was I met we met each other. We were excited to meet. And I I was showing her something. I was actually showing her something that had to do with telling her a story about Debra Winger.

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And I, I, I, I walked her across the room really quickly and we ran into someone very rudely and that person turned around and it was Taylor Swift is not my usual here, but and Taylor was like.

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Margaret, I've wanted to meet we have you just broke up with Pete and my friend, and of sudden so it became this like immediate like. Margaret had just gone through this breakup and processing that as a group of three women very in one of those like you're in deep right away. I love it. And I was clear that, like. It sort of felt like Taylor had called dibs on Margaret. I guess I get that vibe from Taylor. Wow.

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And I mean, I'm sort of like, oh, wait, I just I did that to myself, like, I ran into her. And so then it was very sweet of you when at the end of the night, Taylor, I've known Taylor Margaret like so takes my phone and puts her number in and says, like, if you ever want to make something, I'm, I'm your girl.

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And. And then I texted her, but she was already in New York. And so I was like, OK, so it would need to be something through face time. Like I, I think I can do that through like a screen recording. And we had talked about we had a funny conversation about men who are older than both of us and she's twenty five.

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So this is a real who had whatever had let's just say flirted with both of us and we were like kind of processing this certain kind of dynamic. And, and so in some ways, in that very first one, I was thinking of myself almost as a guy like that, like I have a family, but I.

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And you're so magical, but, like, you're fucking with me. But I obviously loved it back then. But now I'm like, oh, I don't know. This there was I wasn't even really fully being myself yet. But then I realized the second we were done and I started with a script, but we just kept going. We improvise for the last half of it is improvised. And that was so fun. And I was like, oh, this is magical.

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And we stopped. And I was like, Margaret, you know, we could just keep doing this. And she's like, Oh, absolutely. And at that point I was like, but I'm not going to keep being that guy. Like, I need to shift this. And not that anyone else would notice this, but just little acting behind the scenes thing. I need to show this to be me because I have plenty of these feelings. So there's like a subtle change and I'm just like full on desperate that it's just slightly different.

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And, um.

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And then. And then Jayden really did start watching and commenting, and I remember just like I had already thought of the Asian thing and I was really trying to structure it like a movie, like a payout, like I need to think this through. And I remember I was about to see little women and I was like, well, this is good ol D.M. him, and he's not going to right back. But at least I'll be watching little women, so I will check.

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Yeah, that'll kill a couple hours while I get over that. And I so I texted him right before and he just wrote back before little women even started like oh he immediately wrote back to me.

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There was one of those like and he's a doer and he's like, best day in my life. I just fell off my chair or something.

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And you would say, OK, and we're always having these conversations like like, oh, Willow's Willows perform on right now. So I just have a few more minutes before I go on Skype.

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So I'd be like, really? Maybe we shouldn't talk right now then. And and he's like, no, it's OK.

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It's fine, it's fine.

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We we have eight minutes that we made art out of your life. Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, and then I wrote four pages of dialogue that you memorized that incredible like I mean I thought for sure, I thought for sure that that was something he was like, what if there is I like had convinced myself that he came in and to you and was like, what if there's like something that I know about? Because he feels to me like a person who would be like make up a hazy on circle, you know, wouldn't be more perfect.

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And plus, I mean, he really a he's a really good actor. Like, not everyone could pull that off with all those lines and like get past. You have to buy it, right?

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Yeah. You buy it totally. You buy it totally. Right. So he's really talented. And you would occasionally say, by the way, I just don't do this generally, you know, like, yeah, no.

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And then he this was the thing that was so sweet. Like the first time we got on the phone, he was he was like, so I've got some questions for you. And I was like, sure, sure. And if you want like our lawyers to talk or I was like ready to whatever run to do whatever I needed to do for him, he was like, so. About your charity shop, does this referring to an obscure art project I did in London, would you call that art or what would you call that like?

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And then for the next hour, you just proceeded to sort of grill me about all my work just from a purely like interested person point of view.

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Well, I love him. I love him much. I love him so much. What happened with the app? With somebody? Yes. What happened with somebody? The app that you're talking about, it just came out. And when was that? It feels like it just came out.

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Well, right. There was an app called Somebody. Should I say what that was?

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Yeah, well, it was my favorite thing ever. It was like you could register for it and then you could be like text into the app. My husband, Mark, is at the Grove with our two daughters. I really need him to get milk on his way home. Is anyone at the Grove? Can they find a guy with a beard and two little girls and ask if it's mark and say Bazini smell?

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Is that kind of. Yeah, that was like the idea behind it. Right. But that whole process was essentially done for you by the app. Wrote you just wrote Mark Hindmarch, it's me busy. Can you get milk on the way home. And then you sent it to work and it would go to the somebody app user nearest mark a message, and then they would find him using GPS, a picture of him, and they would go up to him and say, Mark, it's busy, get margin, you get milk on the way home.

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And then Mark would like shit his pants now because he signed up for the app, you know. Did you did it work? I never used it. Did. Yeah. It was so crazy. I mean, it worked in major cities because there were enough users and there were only enough users because of like the crazy thing was, I sort of waited to do this until I had like a big friendly company which ended up being Mumu product. And then they because I made a movie for them and then I kind of about this fictional app.

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And then I was like, and you need to make the app, too. Let's do it. And they were they're crazy. They're like Italian, intense.

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They're like, yes, I love that. And because because it's them, they on the on like the day the app started, just took out a giant New York Times banner ad on the front page, like sort of theoretically to advertise the short Mumu film I just made. But what it did was it meant that enough users download it all at once. Oh my gosh. And which is like you couldn't.

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Who could afford that? Yeah, that's OK. Yeah.

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So it got this big boost at the beginning and it was quite fun, quite wise. I legals say like, oh yeah.

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All kinds of weird things happened because it's sort of but but it stayed. I remember there was a because the messages would sort of float and there was a floating message for a while that said this was clearly made by a nice white lady and will lead to many, much confusion.

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And which was it wrong like that?

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It's very funny to me that the opposite of a tricky white lady is a nice white lady, but both can be evil.

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Both bring you down. You don't hear anybody maced, at least I think it worked out. I love that. I didn't I didn't have any idea the origin of the Somebody app, but I always loved it. I was too chicken to try it myself. But I did love I did love it.

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So now the millionaire is is out. It's out. Millionaire is available.

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Streaming everywhere. And I and I'm so glad that that you were able to find some bits of light in the weirdness of the disappointment of not having what was expected. You've already done that, so now you've got to do it this way. Yeah, I know it's true. This way was different. I mean, what's different?

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It was different, but some beauty came out of it.

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So now is it just Home-Schooling? And are you going to write a book?

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Yes, exactly.

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Do you are you sorry? I'm asking you a logistical question, but I just am very curious about people's different processes.

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Are you a person who commits to a certain amount of time of writing per day, or do you let the muses do let it all show up and what it shows up, you fucking go.

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And then when it's gone, you're like, well, I guess I'm just going to go to the.

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Yeah, no, no, I'm I'm I just commit I know I have my hours to work and it's the most important part of the day. And I put my phone in my timer box and I can shoot anyways and. Yeah, and it's some days it's just I'm just dumb and nothing comes and it's definitely like a practice of being gentle with myself. So I don't just get more and more depressed, but eventually and in fits and starts it kind of accrues and becomes something.

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But it's not. No, it's not like I'm just having fun and jotting down.

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And are you really hard on yourself? I mean. I'm more hard on myself just for not writing the actual when I once I've started, I'm not to judge mental to like get the words out. But, you know, if I like during this time of promotion, I keep saying to my friends, and I'm not writing at all, needless to say, and, you know, friends, plural, there's really just one friend.

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He says, are you kidding me? Like, I don't know how you're, you know, and but I feel very, very bad. Yeah, very bad.

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I really do don't want to skip over what you said, like as a writer and that's an artist myself. To be gentle with yourself is so really, really important, but also really, really hard. It's a learned skill is really special and important for someone who is as busy as you to say that, because I think people really think that people who are making the art that we love and admire are just like inside having the best time writing movies, not feeling all of the feelings that everyone else is because your favorite artist is a person and be gentle with yourself, I think is something that cannot be ignored.

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I mean, not even if you're making art, but just if you are a construction worker and you dig holes all day like you no matter what.

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No one listening to our podcast, the construction work. And we I don't know, Willow. I think you might be surprised. All right. OK, guys, I owe Miranda. You know, I love you so much. I'm so happy to see your face. And I was so happy to watch your movie. And it made me cry. And also I was like, just mesmerized by it. And and everyone's so fantastic in your directing. Everything's so good.

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I loved it. I really loved it. And I hope you do more stuff on Instagram, too, for what that's worth. I think it's really.

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And I don't know, I think it's really special, and I can't wait to read the novel in three years for you.

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Oh, I love you very much and I like you.

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Thanks. I like you, too. Yeah. Congratulations, Miranda.

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Thanks for graduation's on the movie. Everybody check out Millionaire wherever you stream things.

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Thank you so much.

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Congratulations by the July by. Miranda, July's billionaire, will be available in the home as a premium video on demand offering beginning Friday, October 16th, for forty eight hour rental period. Get on it, guys. It's such a beautiful film. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. I laughed. I cried. Ha ha ha. It's like I cry, cry the whole gamut of emotions to be had.

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And you were sure and cry is. I just do love Evan Rachel Wood. Yeah. Rodriguez is so good in it and all of them. OK everybody, let's get you a letter. This has gone along a little bit, but I appreciate everybody. OK, here's a listener question. Hi. Busy KC and G.A. first off. Oh my gosh, I love your podcast. It is literally getting me through tweet. Thank you. So I'm having a rough time.

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Before the pandemic started, I had a job I loved with coworkers and friends I loved. And I had just been told by my boss that they were planning to promote me. Within the next few months. I had just decided to move to my dream apartment downtown.

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It was gorgeous so I could live closer to my best friends and basically live friends in real life. The only bummer was I wasn't a huge fan of the city I was living in, but it was fine. Everything was great. In March, at a doctor visit, he commented that my grandparents might not survive the pandemic. I was two thousand miles away and I hadn't seen them in two years. I panicked. I literally threw some clothes into two cases and left to see them, assuming I'd be home before summer started.

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Well, you can guess what happened. I didn't want to leave when things were dangerous. My job needed someone local. I had to quit. A couple of friends packed my stuff and moved it into storage so I wouldn't have to come back and officially move until travel was safe. We never got to say goodbye and most of my friends who I thought were best immediately ghosted me. Here's my question. I can't stop trying to decide what to do when the pandemic is over.

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I hated that city, but I loved my friends. Do I move back to where I was to be close to a couple best days or new city? What if I move to a new city and it's a disaster? I feel lost. I don't feel like I can make a decision until the pandemic is over, but I can't stop worrying about not having a plan. Help love Camille. Well, guys, Hammil, I feel your fucking pain.

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Yeah, it's going to say we I think we can all identify very strongly with how you're feeling.

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Yeah, yeah. That's intense.

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I think, first of all, the first thing I would say is maybe don't worry so much about not having a plan because how can you plan for the unknown. Right. Yeah. This is something that really caught us all off guard. Right. The whole world like girl, the whole world got caught off guard. So don't feel like you were unprepared for something that the entire planet was not prepared for. The other thing that I do think. Bears mentioning, bears mentioning what's the word?

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I think that's right.

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That feels right is that when you say like friends, that immediately goes to me. I think that in this moment we need to, like, give everyone breaks in terms of communication or non communication or whatever the case in point.

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I have. Never in my life not returned a text message, never in my life, like I love a text, I love returning them, I love getting back to people in that way. I have currently currently I currently have two hundred and five unread text messages on my cell phone since the pandemic started. I shut down in such an intense way that like I didn't even look at things. I would see people who I know and love reaching out.

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And I would be like, OK, I can't respond to that right now. I'll respond when I feel like I have something I can say, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I don't know. That was just where I went. Like, I just went like, I don't know what to say. So I'm just going to wait until I have something good to say. And then I never had anything good to say. And now I have two hundred and five text messages and only one two hundred are from Joe Biden.

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Unless someone specifically told you, Camille, look, I don't have time for you or like I you know, I don't want to talk to you anymore. I think you shouldn't tell yourself a story about what's happening in their lives because, you know, you have this very strong reaction to a thought that you had about your grandparents. You wanted to be with them instantly and immediately. And that's valid. And I'm so glad you got to do that. But everybody has like a grandparents story right now.

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It's happening to everybody.

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Yeah. And I so I think you want to like I think this is the time to practice. Being kind to yourself and and giving others the benefit of the doubt, you know what I mean?

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Because in time, perhaps some of those people will show their true colors or whatever and you'll drift away, or they weren't the friend you thought they were. But in this moment when we're all just I mean, literally trying to do our best and stay above water and keep jobs or get jobs or figure out where we want to live or who we want to be close to or how our families are doing. I think that we just all have to breathe a little bit and give ourselves.

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Space. There's there's one thing that I will speak to on this. You said that you didn't like the city you were living in, and I know that covid is really hard, but like, I kind of joke with my friends where I, like, say that I'm trying to make Corona work for me. Like, if there is an aspect of your life that you really wanted to rethink, that you really wanted to take a moment and step back like the whole world was like, you know, I'm just going to shut down your office for a month and then like, see how you feel about that.

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So if you are like, I don't like the city, maybe that's something that we we sit in a quiet moment and think about why you didn't like it. It's so like sad and heartbreaking because you're like, oh my gosh, I have to be in the city where my friends are, but you have to be in the city where you feel happy with yourself in maybe it's like, OK, when the world opens up, I will go spend a week in a city that I might like and see how the vibe is.

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You've already admitted to think that you did not like like that's cool. Now you know that maybe there's some other stuff that you need to look into for yourself. I'm really into like taking care of yourself. So you had to. Yeah.

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So I felt like if you have a couple of friends who were willing to pack up your stuff for you to those are good to you where you are. Yeah. Those are your friends. And not being in the same city isn't going to stop them from being your friends. You don't know. You could move to a city you're not even thinking about now. And one of your friends from your original city that you don't love could be like it looks like she's living her best life there.

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I might move out there, you know, like it just I it's never been easier to sort of stay in touch with people and to be close with people. And it sounds like those people really love you a lot and they're not going to let your decision to move to another city stop them from loving.

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You just know that those people really care about you because moving is a bitch. And to do it for someone else, that's love in one way. I know when we started the show, I was talking about how if we end up selling this house, our home, our family home in L.A., I won't ever go to it again. But Shinta, you did just actually bring up a really important silver lining. I will also not have to go pack it up.

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And I know you got a whole house. I had a one bedroom apartment and I was like, should I just throw this box in the trash? That is so many people who are like, I just got rid of everything I don't like.

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I actually am in this in this Grey House has made me feel like, oh, I really want my stuff. Like I want my fucking Oprah phone, do like I get my stuff around me. I'm not free condo. Like, I love stuff like home is where the stuff is. It's my yeah. That's my feeling about it.

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Also this goes for Camille and it also goes for busy. You know that we all can take a minute and just think, you know, you we've all been like making some really fast decisions because we've been under the gun about things and, you know, and that's OK. Sometimes you have to do that, but it's OK to just really think about it and like, make your seventh grade list of pros and cons. Yeah. Things and really just think about it.

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And I think if you think about it and stick with it, you'll be able to decide what things you need, what people you need, what city you need and what the decision is.

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I highly recommend this because this is what I did right before I went to bed last night. It just, you know, I get a song stuck in loops in my head. Right. Like, OK, yeah. So last night, guys, it was Indigo Girls closer to fine. And I got to tell you. Those are some sweet ass voices to you're in the midst of a dilemma because as just like such a vibe and it's the more I look for my self in the definitive, isn't that what the line of the less I seek my source for some definitive and the less seek my source for some definitive, the closer I am to find anyway.

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So that's my you got this cameo. I also wanted to say that there are take boxes. If you I always say that like when I moved in with my partner, people were like, what happens if it doesn't work out? I'll be like, girl, I'm a move out. There are take boxes. So if you do something or you go somewhere and your body is like, girl, we do not like it here, you can leave.

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There is no permanence in these decisions.

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And unless you decide to make them permanent and the people who will, the people who love you will love you and the people who love you, will love you and and just get that Indigo Girls song on and in your ear pods and just blast it, man.

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All right. You got this, Camiel. You got it. We got it. Guys, follow the Instagram account.

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BPP is doing her best.

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I love you guys, I'm happy we love you guys. I locked you at home, I love you. Love you guys, baby me.

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Bye.