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What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Nicole Richie and Paris Hilton, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thanks, bitch.

Thank you.

I am so happy we're finally doing this. I cannot. Okay. How are you guys doing today?

I'm doing fab. How are you?

You have a heart out. Yeah. When are you leaving?

At 3.

Okay. So So we have about, 12 minutes to go. Here we go. We're gonna I'm just kidding. Everyone listening, calm down, sit down.

Okay. By the time this comes out, Thanksgiving will be over. What are you guys doing for the holidays? Christmas, New Year's, what are your plans? What are we doing?

Thanksgiving, I host every year. Oh. I do the whole family and everyone's Oh. Extended families. Friends come over.

It's a big thing in my house, and I do it every year. Are you cooking? I don't cook on Thanksgiving. I cook every other day of the year. I cook 364 days a year, not Thanksgiving.

Why?

Because I'm just being a Gorge host, and that is a job within itself. Love.

What about you, Paris?

I'm gonna be hosting as well at my house this year, so all the family is coming and we're having a big family get together. And then we're gonna go to Maui after Christmas.

Oh, fun. Entrepreneurs. Are you cooking?

No. I love to cook as well, but Thanksgiving is, like, hardcore. That's, like, a lot.

I agree. It's too hardcore, and I'm, like, entertaining people, and I've got, like it's too much.

I cooked a turkey once on my cooking show, Cooking with Paris, and it was traumatizing. Just, like, pulling all the things out of it. Just like Not for you. No.

We are gonna get to know you guys better today. So, Paris, how would you describe Nicole's personality?

Nicole is hilarious, fun. So now I was not gonna say that. I was gonna be crazy, but not in a not in, like, a bad way

I accept.

The good way. She's just the most fun person in the world. Like, when you're with her, you just laugh every second. She's so real. She's kind, and she's beautiful.

Okay. Now how would you describe Paris?

I would actually describe you as kind of the same. You're so fun. We always have the most wild time and are always laughing. You are also extremely tender, sentimental, and just, like, always wanting everyone around you to be happy and stunning, bitch. Thanks, bitch.

Look at me, just going for a walk, clearing my mind, not thinking about work, a moment away from it all. Did I reply all? I should check really. No. I'm here, not checking work.

But what if Frank's emailed? That dog looks like him. That's a sign. I'm getting fired. Get it together.

We're having a break. Attaboy. Have a break. Have a Kit Kat.

Okay. Let's go back to your childhood. You guys grew up in the same neighborhood. Is that correct?

Yes.

And you guys went to the same school? Yep. Mhmm. What was your first impression of each other? Do you remember?

Well, we were 2. So I don't know.

2? Yes. We've been know

you guys knew each other since you were 2. Yes. And so you guys were just inseparable since the moment you guys were, like, getting raised together?

From day 1. So we went to the same school, but we also we had the same piano teacher outside of school. We we, like, had our tap recital together. Orchestra.

Oh my god.

And then we graduated on to orchestra. And we love our orchestra teacher, mister Hauser, who's in shout out to mister Hauser, who I'm sure watches this all the time.

Obviously. He's

obsessed with you guys. And he's actually in the encore.

Nicole, what do you think your reputation was in your town and at school growing up?

Okay. Well, I did get class clown in both of my schools.

Okay. What do you think your reputation was? Just, like, sweet. Yeah. Darling.

Nice, angel, never gets in trouble.

What do you think the parents in your town thought of you, of, like, all the kids in high school? Were you, like, when you were younger? Or even in middle school, what were people thinking?

In middle school, like, Nicole and I were only allowed to sleep at each other's houses. It wasn't like we were ever staying at all the other sleepovers with the mom.

Allowed. Okay.

Why? Didn't know the parents probably as well because we didn't know

really strict. Yeah. And they just, like, didn't let us do all all the things. And, like, we also used to get treated as 1. So, like, if the leader of our group got mad at 1 of us, both of us were out.

That's so nice to have a friend like that where you're like, it's both of us or none of us. Yeah.

I mean, we didn't even choose it. It just happened. And then all of a sudden, like, we were back in, and we were, like, okay. Wait. Is it true that

you guys had your first kiss at the same party?

Yes. Yeah.

Tell me the story.

It was at Samantha's Vegas? At Kolkers house. Oh. That was the first 1. That was the second, the Vegas 1.

0, okay.

Because I remember we were

in the first kiss in Vegas?

2nd. 2nd. This was, like, 6th grade,

and it was grade spin Spin the bottle. Bottle.

Yeah. And we both kissed, like, these 2 best friends.

Yeah. Bert and Jared? Yeah. Cute.

Bert and Jared. Bert and Jared. Wait. What age were you for your second kiss? Vegas?

14. You guys are not real. Who the fuck is going to Vegas at 14? We were. You too.

We were

Wait. What were you doing in Vegas?

We went this is actually we were not 14. We were we were younger, but we were

We've been growing over our lives.

Yeah. Okay. Her parents were going to Vegas.

Okay.

My parents were getting divorced. And so I, as any, you know, up and coming teenager would do, I told my mom I was going to my dad's. I told my dad I was staying with my mom. Mhmm. And, I went to Vegas.

And we would like, her parents would go to parties, and we loved this, musical called Starlight Express. And we would sneak into the show, and we would just, like, watch it at night. And then during the day, we would take taxis and, leave the strip and go to the Boulevard Mall to the exotic pet stores, and we would get, like, ferrets and chinchillas, and then we would sneak them back into California because they're illegal here.

Wait. And when did you kiss these? I'm assuming men, boys. They were in

our school. Yeah.

Like, 10th grade.

How did you meet them in Vegas? From our school. At the chinchilla farm?

No. I don't think they came with us to to go get the chinchillas.

Yeah.

So you

had a

second kiss in Vegas. Yeah. Kinda romantic.

Very romantic.

Yes. And was that Burton

what's the name?

They did not make the trip. No. Okay.

Who had the stricter parents growing up? I know you're saying they're both strict, but, like, who was, like, really hard to go to whose house? So, like, you're you know you're not sneaking out if you go to ex's house.

Well, I had security, at the house, so the I've I've never I was never sneaking out was not even an option. Impossible in your house.

My house is easier. Even my mom was strict. Yeah. Or no. It was your dad's was the easiest.

My dad's was the easiest. He

was always, like, on tour.

Yeah. He was gone, so that was fun.

The way this is, like, so casually, you're you realize that childhood is, like, you guys have, like, the craziest, coolest childhood. Right?

We lived a normal childhood

too. Like Yeah. As you're saying. 2nd kiss in Vegas, a security attack. No.

But I think smuggling ferrets. Okay. I'm gonna play a game with you guys because I think this is gonna, like, really we're gonna get to know you a lot here. Ready? K.

Who would the better 2 thousands wardrobe?

Me.

No. But 2000 and what? Like, you don't know.

Slick wardrobe too, but mine was just, like, so so 2,000. Like, just the so extra of it all.

Yeah. You are very 2,000.

Yeah. Yeah. I love it.

If you guys had to pick 1 2,000 strand to wear for the rest of your lives, what would it be?

I would never do such a thing. Okay.

I would wear all my 21st birthday dress.

Love. Yeah. I think you said that to me last time. You love that fucking dress. I love it.

Where is that dress? In my closet. Love. How honest were you guys when you were younger with each other when, like, they had a horrible outfit on?

I feel like we always looked so hot. And we would dress like twins a lot because her mom would buy us, like, 2 of the same outfit always, and we were, like, obsessed with doing that back in

the day. Yeah. We had to wear

uniforms in school, and then, the summer program was called summer games. And my mom would buy, like, 6 of of the shirts that we would have to wear, and she would put shoulder pads in them. This is ladies. Shoulder pads in them and bedazzle them. And so we would, like, we would always dress as twins.

And then when we were a little bit older, like, once we were 11, we would go to Contempo Casuals and Judy's, and our parents would buy like, treat us like twins. They would buy us, like remember the burgundy bell bottom dress?

The bell bottom dress.

Cute. Yes.

We we have to rewind. Why shoulder pads?

Because it was the eighties, and, like, that's just what cool? It was very cool.

Yes. Who was the bigger shopaholic?

I would say you're very, like, you're, like, like, a little more, like, manic, and you're you're, like, you're, like, I want it all. Right?

ADHD as well. I just I love it all,

but I do love to shop. Okay. Who has the worst dating history? Me.

Yeah. Yeah.

Does that feel right?

Yeah.

Who was more delusional over guys when you guys were younger?

I would say me because my first real boyfriend's AOL name was Playa 4, the number 4, life, and I was devastated and shocked to my core when he cheated on me. I couldn't believe it. I was like, where were the signs?

Wait. How did you find out he cheated?

So he cheated on me 3 times. Damn. Once was on the Peter Pan ride at Disneyland. Oh my god. I know this because every time I ride, I go to myself.

Lea225. What was

his handle? 2 Plea leya for life.

Leya for life.

Playla@aol.com. Email him. Anyone who wants

to email.

Yeah. Email him. I'm

sure he's still around. Okay. Peter Panride.

Peter Panride. And then, 1 of the girls so I had, like, heard about it. I asked him. He obviously said no. And then 1 of the girls was really nice and told got on the phone with me and told me.

And she was like, he said that you guys were broken up. I'm so sorry. And then this is when conference conference had just gotten where, like, you could if you had, like, the elevated conference, you could still get call waiting while you were on conference with somebody else. So we called him on conference. He obviously was like, I'm not I'm not gonna admit anything.

And then we had someone call her, so she got a call waiting, flipped to the other call, came back, and then he admitted it. Horrible. Yes.

You moved on.

Yeah. I mean, I moved on, but I was like it was the I was really shook. I was like, I cannot believe I got cheated getting cheated on sex. Oh, it's horrible. It's horrible.

Have you gotten cheated on? Every girl has. I know. What's That's really terrible. Guys are assholes.

It's horrible. It's horrible.

What is a bad way that you found out? So you found out from a girl coming to you. Have you found out a different way? TMZ. Paris, no.

Yeah. What do you do when you see that online?

Just so pissed. Just like it it's obviously hurts, but also just, like, mad. Just like, how could you humiliate me like this?

Are you a confrontational person where you would be, like, calling them or you're over?

No. You're just, like, done. And then I hate confrontation, so I just would rather never speak to the person. If I would, like, break up with someone, I wouldn't even tell them. I just, like, never call them.

Just, like, ghost.

I feel like, Nicole, you're confrontational. No?

Yeah. No. I wanted it to be, like, a major motion picture, like, a punishment.

Yeah. Tell me. Tell me.

I was like yeah. I was like, I know. But I waited until, like, I was that was fun, kind of.

It is fun. When you look back and you're not, like, in the moment, it's fun to look back at the heartbreak. But when you're in it, you're like No.

When you're in it, it's so devastating. You can't survive. Affects you for life.

Completely.

I actually saw 1 of the girls at a party, and I was like you know, you, like, rile yourself up, and your friends are like, what are you gonna what are you gonna do? She's coming. She's coming. And I was like, I'm gonna beat her up. Okay.

I've never hit anyone in my life. And then, like, finally, like, you know, you're saying it for so long, and then she got there. So the whole party was like, Nicole, she's here. She's here. And I was like, ah, and I, like, walked up to her.

I don't even know what I thought

I was gonna do. And her friend literally just went like this, ping, and I flew across the flew across the party. I didn't have a chance. And, anyway, we ended up going to college together, so she's my friend, kind of.

You're like, bye. Never mind. Wait. Now you're friends?

Yeah. I mean, I haven't seen her in, like Luz. Yeah.

Yeah. But if

I saw her, I'd be like, oh my god. Yeah. Play up for life. Ruin my life. Play up for life.

Yeah. Who was the bigger flirt back then?

You, we think.

Yeah. Love.

I would flirt, but it was more to, like, humiliate them. Like, more in, like, an aggressive No. Not in like a like sweet. Yeah. I wasn't

You're gonna ruin your life. And then some. When the 2 of you guys would be out, like, would you be the person that would go up to the guys? Like, if you're at a club, you guys wanna, like, infiltrate a table, are you going up?

No. Everyone was trying to infiltrate our

table. Okay.

We didn't have to go up to anyone. They just wanted to come up to us.

I have to say our focus wasn't really, like, guys.

Guys.

We didn't have to that was not like, we always just wanted to have fun.

Have fun. And then the guys would come, and you're like, oh, this is nice. Like, this is a fun little thing.

Yeah.

Did you guys ever fall for the same person or like the same person ever?

Who's that opposite taste?

Okay. Tell me what what was your type back then?

People who cheat? I guess.

Assholes? Yeah.

Assholes, I guess. Playas.

What was your type? Just people who are cute

Paris.

Or hot.

No. No. No. You think you were dating nice guys?

No. Not, like, cute. Like like, looks wise. Oh, yeah. Like, just people people who are hot, and some people were good, but there was it's LA.

So

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You get both.

Didn't you say once in the simple life that you liked men to look like they were dying?

Yes. Yes. I did say that.

If I saw a bunch of, like, people that you talked to when you were younger, like, did they there was there a theme of them actually looking, like, skinny and frail and ill?

No. I mean, I I sadly I think I just said that to, like, gross Janet out. I don't think I really meant it. I'm obsessed with you.

So you weren't you weren't going for, like, a specific looks wise type? No. Whose husband is more likely to crash a girl's night out? Do you guys ever go out together?

Crash a girl's night out. Joel, I think, would get annoyed at, like, so many girls all at 1 time.

Yeah.

And Carter never goes out. So Yeah. I don't know.

Neither of them are coming? I don't think they're coming. Wait. How did you meet Joel?

A friend set us up. Yeah.

Wait. Had you ever, like, dabbled with musicians at that point? No.

I had not dabbled with musicians, but our friend set us up not in a serious way at all. She was like, you're single, and he's single. So this is probably not gonna be serious, but you guys should hang out. And, and we did. And, I don't know if you've met Joel before.

Oh, I think you did because quickly. Yeah. Yes. Yes. But Joel is very shy.

Very shy. Yes. So the first night I met him, he actually didn't speak to me. And I was like, this is my husband.

No. Yeah. You're like, this is how I know it

sounds good. This is the man for me. Stop.

And do you think he was into it first?

Yes. He ended up text not texting. Yeah. Or emailing. I don't know.

Whatever. Yeah. Whatever was happening back then. AOL. Play it for life.

What was your AIM?

Okay. K. My first name was princess n r because I had a dog named princess. K. Then, I got a second name Mhmm.

Ballerina girl n r because ballerina girl is a song that my dad wrote, and the song is after me. So I just, like, made that my my name. Okay? So, anyway, 1 day, I was like, we were exchanging, screen names or whatever, like, to to, like, a group of friends. And it was this is, like, when it was new.

So we were, like, calling each other by their names. You know? And I was like and so, like, we sat there for an hour, and everyone was like, okay. Later. Like, whatever whatever.

Later. And I was like and then they looked at me, and they go, see you later. Baller in a girl. And I said

No.

Woah. Woah. Woah. No. Baller in a girl.

I said, I cannot believe for a straight hour, you thought that my name was baller and a girl. So now some of my friends still call me that. Baller and a girl. Baller and a girl. That anyone would think that that

would be my calling yourself a baller.

Yeah. And, honestly, I have ever since.

Yeah. So

What was yours? Beautiful blonde baby girl.

Are you fucking lying? No. Beautiful blonde baby girl. Yeah. I am obsessed

with your name? Yes. Yeah. That's 1 of them. The other one's princess p h, another one's Barbie 420.

So when you wait. So you're emailing people and it's like, from beautiful blonde baby girl. That is, like, you have to have some confidence. Paris.

Yes. Love.

Yeah. Love.

It's so funny. And a girl and beautiful blondes. Jesus Christ.

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Back to Joel. So you meet him. You're when did you when did you meet Joel? Like, when did Paris get introduced?

Was it the the same night? I don't know. I feel like it it was, like, it was around Thanksgiving weekend, and it was, like, pretty fast, I feel like, when you met him.

It was.

What did you think of them together?

I loved it.

You did.

Yeah. I just thought they were

so cute. It was on dotcom from the day we hung out.

Like, Joel is so sweet. He's so loyal. Like, he's just 1 of those types of guys that's, like, completely different than, like, an LA guy.

Yeah. Love. Were you a fan of Good Charlotte?

I was a fan of Good Charlotte. And, he also when he asked me to go to his house he hates when I tell this story.

K.

He asked me to he was like, do you wanna come he was like, do you wanna come over and, like, watch TV? And I was like, yeah. I do. And he goes, do you watch The Wire? Never seen The Wire in my life.

I go, The Wire is my favorite show. He goes, great. Why don't you come over and watch it? Now listen. Obviously, The Wire is an amazing show.

Okay? I'm not dissing The Wire. I'm obsessed. I'm upset. Okay?

I'm a girl. He just, like, threw me into, like, season 3. There's no music. You know? And I, for a very long time, pretended like I watched and loved The Wire.

When did you break it to him?

I think, like, a few years after. Years? Yeah. We had kids. Nicole.

But we have since rewatched The Wire. It's 1 of and Joel's from Baltimore. He Joel's from Maryland. So it's it's, like, it's 1 of our go to shows.

That's cute.

But it always reminds me of when we first met because I really threw myself into that show.

It is crazy. Like, I have done the same thing where I've, like, lied about liking something for a guy, and I'm like then you get yourself into it, and you're like, I didn't think so. Deep in. Right? You're like, I didn't think it would go this far.

And then you're like, they're gonna think I'm a full liar if I admit to this because, like, I've been watching. Like, I'm on the 7th episode, and I'm like, oh my god. He's so funny. Funny. Yeah.

I didn't know he was gonna say, do

you wanna watch it tomorrow? I was like, oh god. Okay. Great.

See you there. Harrison, what have you ever lied to, like, like something for a guy and then been like, why the fuck did I do

Like sports sometimes. Are you a

big sports person or not at all?

No. Like, I like playing sports. Like, I like playing ice hockey. Right. I like going ice hockey games.

I just some games are boring, and I just don't like it.

Okay. Sorry. Back to my game. Who is throwing the best party?

I don't really I don't throw parties. I don't like people in my not not like wild parties. Like, you would throw parties.

I throw crazy parties. I love

You do. The time I interviewed you, you were setting up for a Christmas part. Oh my god. That was almost a year ago. How insane is that?

Times went too fast.

You throw great parties. You don't like people.

I I throw parties now. But when I was younger, I did not throw, like, wild parties at at my house.

Because you just didn't want people around you in your house.

Yeah. I didn't want anyone, like, stealing my things or anything.

You don't care if people are, like, wandering in your house?

No. I don't want people stealing my things either, but sometimes people do. There's, like people have literally taken, like, framed photos and put them in their purses. My security has been, like, went up to them and been like, excuse me. Can I have that photo?

Dude, that's fucking insane. People, like, feel and especially if people, like, get a drink in them, they feel like, I love this place, and they start, like, doing weird shit in your house.

That and, like, lighting cigarettes, like, ashing all over the floor. I'm like, are you okay?

I have children that live here. Like, no. No. No. That's not the vibe.

Okay. Which 1 of you is more likely when you were younger to, like, pull through with plans for the night? You're like, I've got the spot. I know where we're going.

It was like a schedule.

It was a schedule. Yeah.

Did a schedule. Like, Mondays was Joseph's. Mhmm. Right?

What is Joseph's? Was, like, guys. Mhmm.

Wednesdays was Las Palmas. Yep. Thursdays was, like, Concord or LAX.

Mhmm. Yeah.

There was just all these clubs. It was like a schedule.

Go, like, where all your friends went, and that's what we would do.

Would you guys go out every single night? Not Saturdays Sundays.

Those days are for losers.

What? We Saturday and I feel like Saturday is, like, the night. No. That's a loser bill. What was the best night to go out?

Thursday. Thursdays was really good.

Yeah. Learning so much. Nicole, what is your wildest interaction with paparazzi?

Once I I I was hospitalized, I got crashed into.

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh my god. You were driving and someone crashed into you? Yes.

I'm so sorry.

Yeah. My son was, like, 6 weeks old. He was not in the car. Thank god. Thank god.

Yeah.

When you look back at that, like, how do you feel about that time in your life?

I feel like at the time, you it was very hard to, implement any sort of, like, boundaries because the world was not really acting like you deserved that at all. And I was so young and just, like, didn't know how to stand up for myself like that. So I was just, like, I was just I, like, I accepted a lot more, which I think is very common for your twenties of just, like, accepting that things that that I would never accept now.

That's traumatizing. I know, obviously, like, you've talked about it occasionally of, like well, not occasionally a lot. Like, you've been very outspoken in a good way of, like, this is really dangerous of, like, what those people were doing back in the day. And then it's kinda fucked up when people are like, yeah. But you guys were asking for it.

Like, you loved it. Like, what do you say to that?

I don't say. I'm like, if that's what you wanna believe

Yeah.

Do it.

Fuck off.

I don't fucking care.

What is 1 of the crazier experiences you've had with paparazzi?

Well, just when I used to live on Kings Road, like, right above Sunset Plaza, they would just wait outside my house from morning till night and just follow me from the second I woke up till I went home at night. And there would be some times where I would wanting to go to a friend's house, and I didn't want them knowing their address. So I would literally be driving, like, a 100 miles per hour just trying to get away from them. There'd be 20 cars all chasing me. And I just remember just, like, sometimes turning around just to be like, guys, like, leave me the fuck alone, and they would just not stop.

So that would just drive me crazy because it would just get so dangerous with, like, all these, like, strange men just, like, following me all the time or, like, going through my trash or people, like, jumping over the gate and just, like it was just so invasive all the time.

No. That, like, creates, like, an intense form of paranoia, I'm sure. Like, you can't you have to worry about what you put in your trash?

Everything. Just like them shooting through the windows. Just like it was just creepy. I'm so happy I live in a gated community now because it's just, like

In your gated community, when I tried to find your house, Paris, there's no cell service there. And I live, and it's like, hello. And then I'm, like, this freak driving down. There's, like, a man, like, walking down. I was like, I'm trying to go to Paris Hilton's house.

He's like, we've got a freak on the loose. He probably thought I was, like, breaking it. No. Your house is you are you're good to go. Yeah.

You're safe. Okay. Sorry to bring that down for a second, but it is interesting to hear about, like, what you guys had to go through. Okay. I know this is, like, vague, but if you can try to give the daddy gang a story, what do you think is 1 of the most iconic nights out that you guys had together when you look back and you're like, fuck.

That was insane. Like, the 2 of us went all out. It was so fun or something horrible happened or something disastrous or or fun or funny, like, anything.

We did go through a stage where we would wear shoes with wheels on them, and we would roller skate

No.

All night. And I this was at the same time I had my ball python, Cleopatra, and she would come with me as well. What? So I had a ball python. Her name was Cleopatra.

She was gorge. And I would wear her around my neck like a necklace, and we'd put on our shoes with wheels, and we would, like, roller skate all night.

Would you go out with this With Cleopatra?

Of course.

You would go in public with a snake around you? There's a choker. No. It's like

a little collar. Like a collar necklace.

Cute. Wait. Like, Cleopatra? Shit. Wait.

And no 1 stopped you?

Stopped me from what? Being gorg?

Nicole. Oh my god. You never were like, oh my god. My python is about to fucking rip the necks of everyone around me? No.

No. She no. She loved being with me. She was so I miss her.

Okay. So are you you're talking about Heelys. Right? Or no? These are different No.

This is like pre

Heelys. Yeah.

You were whipping. Would you ever wear them to the club?

Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

You're in the club with Heelys? Yes. Yes. Well, because you

could press the button and they would go in and out.

They were just, like yeah. So we would come and, like, swoop dee doo all night.

Obsessed. They were great for, like, getting away from creepy guns.

You'd be like, oh, I'll be right back, and then whoop.

I'll be like, 1 second. Dude, that's insane. I can't imagine wearing those to a club. We were professionals.

Yeah. We were just really good at it.

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Did you ever get in trouble by your parents together?

In Vegas when we were 11.

In Vegas when you were 11? Well, no. We were, like 11a half.

So we were, like, 13, and we were with these guys. And they're, like, do do you wanna go to the strip? And it was New Year's Eve. And we were like, okay. So we were on the Las Vegas strip.

Then these cops came up to us, and they're like, how old are you? And we're like, 21. And they're like, no. Let's let's see your IDs. How old are you really?

And we're like, 18. And he's like, how old are you really? What's your names? And I was like, my name's Jennifer Pearlstein. Her name is Leslie.

Oh, sweet. And they're just like, where are you staying? And they kept asking us a million questions. And then Nicole was like, actually, you told on us.

Well, I because they were like, you don't I actually don't think we said 21. I think we said we're 15 because we, in our minds, thought that was painful. Oh, we did. Yes.

And we didn't have big IDs.

Yeah. And so they were like they were like, what's your name? I think you said Jenny Stone because we went to school with her.

Stop. Poor Jenny.

Jenny. We're sorry.

A call.

And they were like, we're going to arrest you if you don't tell us your parents' names. So then they came. Your parents came. They got us. Your dad, who's the kindest, sweetest, most soft spoken man, turned to us.

I'll never forget it. And he goes, I knew this was a bad idea. Like, screaming at us. He's like, I knew this was a bad idea. You lied to us.

And you were never hanging out again. Cut to the simple life. Yeah. We got separated a lot. Remember when I had a piano my piano lesson at my house, and I, like, didn't want they were like, okay.

It's time for because we were always at each other's houses. So it was like, okay. It's time for the piano lesson. You guys have to stop. Paris has to go home.

And we were like, no. We don't want to. And so we were holding hands, and they were like, come on, guys. Come on. And my nanny, like, was pulling me, and, like, my housekeeper was pulling her.

And then we grabbed this hand and this hand, and someone was holding our legs up.

So we were just, like, flying parallel to the floor.

I'll never

forget that.

Yeah. That was so fun. So fun.

Yeah. I can't the fact that you guys, like, know we're 15. Meanwhile, that's, like, old in your mind. You're 11. I was like, no.

I think we're, like, 11.

But we didn't do anything. We were

just super duper anything. We were just out past curfew.

Classic. Just like Except you're on the Vegas Strip.

Yeah. But we were just, like, being cute, and we wanted to go to the Mirage and see the Tigers.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Classic. Classic.

Okay. I have to ask though because you just mentioned your dad being like, we're you're never doing that again, cut to the simple life. Why we're here, obviously, aside from, like, I love you guys. Let's talk about the simple life. We're getting an encore.

We're getting a 3 part series. We're getting what do we wanna call it?

I call it a reunion special.

Love. Yeah. Okay. Can we go back to the first original before we get to the reunion? Because, obviously, the original was so iconic.

Paris, can you talk to me about, like, how was the show originally pitched to you of, like, The Simple Life? Because it is so iconic and will be forever iconic. They didn't tell me where we were gonna go. They basically just said, we want you to go somewhere,

and we're gonna take away your phones and your money and credit cards.

K.

And you're just going to go somewhere, and they didn't say anything. Like, they didn't say, like, you're gonna be working jobs. Like, I I don't how did they it was just like, you're gonna go somewhere and take away everything,

basically. Told us nothing.

Nothing. We didn't know we were flying. Like, even on the jet flying over there, they didn't tell us. We're

just, like

We didn't know until we landed.

We So hold on. Producers pitch you this idea, and you 2 do it together, and you're both, like, sounds good. And you get on a private plane? Yeah. And you fly to what was the first place you went?

Arkansas. Arkansas? Altus. Love. And you then just start filming?

We start filming the moment we got on the plane, I think.

Oh, interesting. Okay.

Or I think the night before because we had a goodbye party.

There's yeah. The goodbye party and they're filming, like, packing and all that.

Now, obviously, the premise is you guys, like, doing, like, jobs each episode and you're, like, doing a job. Had you guys ever had a real job prior to that?

No. No. You were a

figure skating. I was a skating school instructor, and I was very good.

You were. Yeah. Love that for you. Thank you. Okay.

You guys have a little song that you liked to sing throughout filming. Can you guys remind us of how it goes?

Okay. Well, let me just tell you this song is beautiful.

K.

And, I did talk to you about all of our musical talents. But what I didn't say is that we wrote this song ourselves when we were 7, if you can believe it.

I mean, the talent in this room It's really

that's distinct. I have chills just from talking about it.

Okay. I'm gonna close my eyes. Come on. Give me a little tune. Ready?

K. K.

The the ending can get pretty loud sometimes.

So So you wrote this when you're 7?

Can you die?

I mean, it's kind of, like, a work of art. It is. Yeah. What did your dad say when he heard it for the first time?

He was, like, jealous and wanted to put it on his album. And I was, like, no.

Pay me, bitch.

Pay me, bitch.

Let me before I wanna actually talk about this, you guys stopped talking at 1 point. I don't know if this is a sore topic, but I have to ask about it. You guys were, like, not filming together in season 4 for the simple life. Right? What the fuck happened?

Be real with me. Don't give me a PR answer, you little shit.

It's not gonna be good enough for you. No. Because it it it really isn't. Like, it's never good enough for people.

K. What happened? It it's not even like, there's nothing

nothing really happened. I mean, go ahead.

Back then, the media was just so toxic, and I they loved starting feuds between people because, obviously, that sold tabloids. So it was mostly just the media just spinning things and creating drama that didn't even exist, which was normal during the 2000. They did it with everyone.

It's that combined with, like, and we are in our twenties, and we had no time. Like, it wouldn't happen now because, you know, I think, like, we were just so young that we didn't even know, like, how to communicate with with each other. So, like, you know, if we were hearing something, we just would assume, is that true? Is that not true? And we didn't have the communication skills that we have now

Yeah.

To, like, have check ins, which is so important.

Yeah. No. I can see that. Like, you guys seeing things in tabloids and it, like, obviously, I feel like whenever there's a duo, people want to break a duo up and it's like pitting each other against each other, like, who's better at this and who's better at this and it's like, does it make you sad when you look back that it, like, the media fucked with your guys' relationship that heavily?

It makes me yes. I mean, it makes me sad, like, whatever. I don't care about the media. It makes me, like, sad to think about a time without my friend. I think that it has really helped me in my communicating at this stage in my life.

Yeah.

And, you know, I think just with all relationships, like, it's so important to have check ins and to be honest and real and, you know, tender with the people that you love the most.

Yeah. I mean, I think that's even applicable to, like, social media. Like, I bet people see in college or high school or whatever, you're like, oh my god. This friend went to this party and I didn't get invited. And can be misconstrued because we're posting, like, half versions of what's going on and you can feel so upset and frustrated if you're not included in something.

Or you hear a rumor from someone and it's like half of it is usually never true. Who reached out first to clear the air? How did you guys, like, come back together?

We were friends for a long time before anyone even knew because our our families are friends. Right. You know? And so, like like, we've been we've been friends our entire lives. So, you know, when you're like and I don't mean to belittle it at all, but when you're, like, talking about some fight, like, I watch, you know, I watch it with, like, other 20 year olds that I know, and they're they're, like, going through a little thing, and then they're back going through a little thing, and then they're back.

But because ours was a part of a TV show, it just blew up to be something that was so big Yeah. That it became impossible to, like, connect to or have any sort of, like, real, like, feeling around it. Yeah. You know? Because, like, it just became so and and and is, like, you know, we're sitting here talking about it now.

You know? And I'm like, yeah. Like, I there's nothing that, like, lives in the on the surface in me. Like, I, you know, I have to really, like I don't know. It was just it be it became something that was, like, otherworldly.

Yeah. It was, like, bigger than you guys were, like, wait. We're back as friends and people like, me still asking you about it to this day. Because, again, I think the media makes it, like, they had the biggest falling out and you're guys, yeah. We got, like, in a fight.

And then as friends, we got back together. Like, me and my best friend will fight and be like, okay. What time are we getting dinner? Yes.

It's totally. Yeah.

Okay. That makes sense. Okay. So you guys are back. Tell me everything.

How did you guys decide to do this 3 part series? Like, tell me everything.

It was during Christmas last it was last year.

I

think so. Yeah. Last year, and we were texting. And I was like, can you believe it's about to be the 20th anniversary of the Simple Life? Like, that's so crazy.

And I had gotten a DM from Braxton, who's the little boy. He was like the little 3 year old on the show, and he was telling me that he had just passed the bar exam, and he's now a lawyer. So I was sending Nicole the message from him and just reminiscing with her.

Oh my god.

And then And we we were you know, I mean, this is this is all over tech. So I said, should we do something? And Paris wrote back, should we? And, and I said, okay. Let's let's talk about it.

Let's talk about it over over the New Year. I mean, it was the first time that I think we both really, like, considered because we both have had people come to us and be like, do you wanna do it again? And we're like, no. What? You can't do that again.

Right. It's not realistic. You know? And, no, that time was so special, and it just was. And it was really nice, like, because there wasn't anyone else on the call.

It was just the 2 of us. And for that, I would say 2 weeks where it was, like, just us. Carter and Joel knew. You came over. We had tacos, and we just, like, talked about if we were to celebrate, you know, the 20 year anniversary, what would that look like?

And, you know, that that that part was very nice. That's really nice. Thing's been nice, but, like, that part was very special because no 1 even knew. Mhmm.

Well, I think, like, that's why we're all so excited is it's, like, to see you guys back on camera together. And even though it's just, like, a 3 part series, that's, like, more than we could have ever asked for because I think people never thought we were gonna get that again. So thank you guys for doing that for all of us. We and you've for the first episode, you fly back to Arkansas? Yes.

Can I say on sliving air? Is that a thing?

Slid air.

Slid air? I asked everyone, is it pink or no? You're playing it?

It's going to be soon. We're getting the whole thing redone in pink.

I'm obsessed. Mhmm. What do you think the Simple Life legacy is going to be?

The most iconic show to ever exist.

Wrapping up, because I know you have to fucking go. You're like, 12 minutes are up. Can you talk to me a little bit though about, like, how your guys' friendship has evolved over time? Because obviously, you guys saying, like, you met at 2 years old. You were friends all through, basically, like, your whole life on and off in moments, obviously, as friends do.

Now doing this again together, like, you're both moms. How has your relationship evolved?

It's been amazing. I mean, it's just been so we were talking about eve even before we started, and you were like, how has it been, you know, doing press, you know, with with, like, your friend and just the whole thing, and it's just been so amazing. It really has. Like, spending time with my friend, but also working together, going out into the world, and doing press together, which is a very nerve wracking thing.

Yes.

And it's been so nice. I was talking to you about it last weekend. I was saying, I wish we could just do everything together because it's just so fun. And, like, you know, it just, like, makes it like, we laugh the whole time.

No. I'm so happy that I got to sit down with you guys. We love you.

Love you.

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