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On November twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three, Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald, no doubts there. Ruby fired his gun in full view of reporters, civilians and even cops. He said he killed Oswald because he was outraged. After all, Oswald shot the president just two days before. And honestly, as far as motives go, that's pretty fair. But Jack Ruby didn't just kill Lee Harvey Oswald. He killed America's chance for closure. Without Oswald's public trial and punishment, America never got the end of the story of the JFK assassination.

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He left an entire country with a lot of unanswered questions, and it didn't stop there. Ruby died before he could be retried for murdering Oswald. It's like a loose end on a loose, that is. And as anyone who's ever been on the Internet knows, there's only one way to tie loose ends up conspiracy theories. Today, we look at the ten most compelling conspiracy theories surrounding the JFK assassination.

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Hailu Weirdo's, welcome to Crime Countdown, a Spotify original friend podcast, I'm Ash and I'm Allena.

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Every week will highlight 10 fascinating stories of history's most engaging and unsettling crimes, all picked by the Sparkasse to research gods. This episode, we're counting down the top ten JFK assassination theories, another one close to our Massachusetts Heights.

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Yes, Mr. 35. Not to be confused with Mr. 305.

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That was Barry. Thank you. Thank you. To be honest, I actually don't know a ton about JFK conspiracy theories other than the ones that have to do with the mob, those good mob ones.

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Those are my fave. Yeah, I actually know a bunch because I got like a weird vibe where I was getting mildly obsessed with researching them for a bit. Not you, as one does never in. My husband also loves and I think you know this he loves a good JFK theory.

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Yeah, I feel like everybody does. I feel like most people love a good conspiracy theory about like anything. Yeah. But I also think the fact that it's the Kennedy family and they're surrounded by so much mystery and intrigue and that just adds to it.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, the curse, the Kennedy curse. There it is. Well, conspiracy theories, I think also just kind of help people feel like they're getting answers to something when sometimes, unfortunately, they're just a ton more questions that get brought up by now.

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And I think when it comes to the assassination of a president, it adds to that out of the box and truly out there thinking. Yeah, absolutely.

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And it's worth mentioning here that not all the theories on this particular countdown are about who killed JFK. JFK had a crazy, interesting short time on this big rock and space.

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And speculation doesn't begin or end with his murder.

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So sit back, relax and enjoy these theories. Ilina has five and so do I. But neither of us knows which conspiracy is going to be the wackiest. Let's start the countdown.

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Ten, I'll start us off with number 10, the umbrella man, this theory is about the seemingly bizarre presence of a man holding a black umbrella almost precisely at the spot where JFK was shot.

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It's strange because the weather was sunny and beautiful and no one else had umbrellas, but maybe he was like a particularly pale man who did not want to get burned that day.

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You read my mind.

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I knew it because I was thinking I would carry an umbrella on a hot, sunny day. I do that sometimes, whereas you feel very, very light skinned. So already I'm dismissing, dismiss, very dismissive of this.

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Judge Judith Scheidler dismissed the case, dismissing it.

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Some speculated that umbrella man shot a poison dart into Kennedy's neck, immobilizing him to allow for the kill shot. I think that's very out there. I think that is a great theory just because whenever there's a poison dart involved with a theory of like, yeah, that's probably what happened. I mean, that's scrumptious to like scrub. It's a scrumptious theory, but great to chew on.

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No, no. Yeah, I don't think it really happened. Well, Oliver Stone's 1991 film, JFK, showed Umbrella Man sending signals to his fellow assassin. Oh, wait. I know. So this is one that got legs, legs. It might have even had him. And we don't know. It's a spider. It's got so many legs. As it turned out, it was a man named Louis Stephen Witt, and he had gone to D.C. with the umbrella.

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So he came with his umbrella. He's like, here's my parasol, this is my umbrella. And he testified to Congress to clear his name. Good for him.

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Can you imagine just coming to D.C. with an umbrella and having to go testify in front of Congress to why you had no random like that?

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Said he had been protesting JFK, whose father supported British politician Neville Chamberlain, who carried a black umbrella.

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So he was just trying to be theatrical, really.

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He was a Stann. He was. So we're told the congressional committee, if the Guinness Book of World Records had a category for people doing the wrong thing at the wrong time, in the wrong place, I would be No.

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One in that position with not even a close runner up. And to that I say correct. Yeah, that's like an understatement. Correct? Nine. At number nine is the theory that the Zapruder film, which is the footage we've all seen of the assassination, was altered Abraham Zapruder film to the clearest and best visual evidence of the assassination in Dallas that day. But the absence of one frame of the film sparked all kinds of conspiracies until the world finally saw the uncut version.

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Whenever you remove like one frame from a film, you're asking for everybody to like, you're leaving so many questions.

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Yeah, even if it's a very normal response and everybody has the craziest imagination. So you can only imagine, of course, imagination and imagine. Imagine with your imagination. The single missing frame of the Zapruder film was kept from the public for 12 years. So it's frame three, 13, and it shows the exact moment when JFK was shot in the head, which explains why it was hidden for a little while, just going to say that. So Zapruder actually sold the rights to the original footage to Life magazine just one day after the assassination.

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Wow. Yeah, he made it clear that frame three, 13 gave him nightmares. And for the sake of the public, obviously, life decided to remove frame three 13 from the footage. That was nice. It was it was a pretty good idea for them. But nevertheless, unofficial copies circulated and facilitated the creation of multiple conspiracy theories.

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And a little fun fact for you. In nineteen seventy five, Geraldo Rivera got a copy of the uncut Zapruder film and played it on his show, Good Night America, Heraldo Wood. And it's like Good Night, America. Let me leave you with this horrific footage. Your president getting shot.

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You're welcome, uncle. Eight. Number eight on our countdown of top 10 JFK assassination theories is married Pancho Meyer, who was good friends with her neighbor, Jackie Kennedy, and also John F. Kennedy's mistress, who in October 1964, Meyer was out for an afternoon walk when she was shot and killed in broad daylight. A man was found near the crime scene and was arrested, but lack of evidence led to his acquittal in the conspiracy's began, as they do Dun Mary Pincham.

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Meyer was a very well-connected socialite. She attended fancy schools. She was once married to a high ranking CIA official like she was doing it. She really was she doing the damn thing heavily involved while she met JFK in high school, because apparently her entire life was remarkable, right all the way through.

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They later started a secret romantic relationship after her divorce in 1958. When Jackie left town, she would visit JFK at the White House.

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You would think that they would like pick a little bit less of an obvious meeting place. He's like, you know what?

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Just come over my place. Like, why don't you meet at Starbucks down the street to grab a coffee literally anywhere else? Not the White House.

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And also I'm sorry, Mary, but like, do you think you're Marilyn? I know. Come on. That's the only one that I'm allowing to slip by.

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And who even knows who even you know.

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Well, here's some conspiracy feel the way she was killed is really it's interesting. She was killed with one point blank shot to the head in one to the chest, which seems to be kind of an execution, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's not just like, oh, I'm going to shoot you from far away. It's like that's an execution that's on purpose. She was also killed after the release of the Warren Commission that stated JFK assassination was the work of a lone gunman.

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She happened to disagree with that. Oh, so already we're getting a little like her chinstraps.

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Somebody is trying to quiet her down. Let me scratch my long beard. That doesn't exist. Yeah.

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The CIA also was wiretapping her phone, and after her murder, the counterintelligence chief was caught breaking into her studio trying to find her diary while she has like a very similar story to Marilyn.

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She does. And also, I want that diary. I want Marilyns. I need to see these diaries. There's a lot of diaries we're needing. I need them.

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Seven. At number seven this week is the theory that suggests George Hickey, one of JFK Secret Service agents, fired one of the bullets that killed Kennedy that day was like, that's a real bad day on the job, sir.

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Sure is. George Hickey, who is now deceased, was riding in the car behind Kennedy's limo. He was allegedly hungover from partying with colleagues the night before.

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So what you want in your Secret Service? Yeah. Oh, no. Secret Service agent, the best kind. Well, when Lee Harvey Oswald fired his first shot, Hickey responded by trying to fire back at Oswald's position. And the theory is that he was inexperienced with his gun and other desirable qualities for a Secret Service agent looking good.

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And the car lurched forward, suddenly making him shoot wildly hitting Kennedy.

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Oh, can you imagine a series of unfortunate events, a very unfortunate to so. So it said that 75 percent of the American public do not believe the official story of the Kennedy assassination.

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So this is yet another possibility to cling to. And there's a movie called JFK, The Smoking Gun that suggests Kennedy may have died by Hickies Bullet and not Oswald's.

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It's like at work when you accidentally send, like, an embarrassing email to everyone instead of just one person. Right. Except this time in the office, you accidentally shoot your boss, who is the president of the United States in the head and murder him accidentally.

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Yeah, same thing. It's kind of like that. Totally simple. So we've all felt this.

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Yeah. Six also on our list at number six is the death of well-known journalist Dorothy Kilgallen in nineteen sixty five, according to author Mark Shaw, Kilgallen was killed by a man that she was having an affair with. He allegedly poisoned her drink.

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He was also likely spying on her to the FBI, the mafia or both. Busy guy Hizzy Killgallon was working on a book about the JFK assassination when she died. Fisheye hot, real fishy. Ha Killgallon died shortly before a planned trip to New Orleans to meet with a secret informant that apparently was not so secretive. This is a spy movie. It is like straight up this whole entire thing. If I saw this in a movie, I'd be like, OK, we'll suspend reality for this.

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But it's real. But this is actually crazy. This is life.

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Witnesses saw FBI men carrying files out of her townhouse a few hours after she died, but before police arrived.

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Are you kidding me? Which to me, it's like open shut. All right. That's it. Yeah.

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There it is. That woop. There it is. Wow.

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Ron Pataki, the man that Mark Shaw believes killed Killgallon, had a bit of a criminal history. So many believe, like, was he a hired hitman?

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Is that Helga Pataki, his dad? It could have been hey or no, I had to go there. Yeah. I couldn't not make that.

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You know, it's good. I thought of that, too. So I'm glad we're on the same. Yeah, but was he a hired hitman?

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Because if he had the criminal history, I think Raymie, I don't know. I'm not going to accuse anybody, but I'm just saying it's all there. The facts do line up, you know, and then all her notes that she had collected on the JFK assassination. You want to know what happened to you? I think I can guess, but you go ahead.

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We don't know. They just went missing. I'm not shocked. Are you shocked? No. And shocked. Her book was never published because of the death. Oh, well, that's really sad. I know that really well. I mean, how are they going?

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She did all this bullshit, right? It's like she did all the research for it. It's such a bummer. It's like all the people that died in their diaries went missing. This one says it is very sus.

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I can't believe we're already 5n. I know we're just Teuton along by now. What's your fave? You know, the one that I've always been kind of connected to is the Secret Service agent who's like, hung over and it's like, whoops, I shot the president. Yeah, exactly.

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Just because it's so absurd. But it also kind of makes sense. Well, that's the thing, because we've all been hung over at work and it's like, you know, you make mistakes when you're hung over. Yeah. You send that email, you're not act in your best. You commit an accidental assassination. It's all right. Happens to the best of us, I suppose.

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Big yikes. Big. Yikes. But I'm excited to see what's up next. Me too.

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But JFK, his brother Bobby and a few mobsters made comments after the president's death that have caused some speculation. Oh, do tell. These are my favorite. So Robert Kennedy was attorney general at the time and his main deal was prosecuting organized crime. Sure. Well, that was like his whole entire campaign and his whole entire deal. This whole deal, like I said, it was his whole vibe. It was such a vibe. It was a vibe check.

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He was doing a vibe check.

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He was on the mob also after his biographer said that directly after JFK's death, Robert was worried that his actions towards the mob and desire to kill Fidel Castro had backfired. So he was feeling like survivor's brother guilt. Yeah, that's sad. And that is really sad. And at one point, he had also rallied to have New Orleans crime boss Carlos Marcello deported. So that's just adding fuel to the fire right there. We're getting deeper here. In return, Marcello even blurted out a Sicilian curse of revenge at.

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Wow. Add that to the list of curses on the Kennedy family.

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And then in nineteen seventy six, an FBI informant said he was told Kennedy was, quote, not going to make it to the election. He was going to be hit, end quote. Oh, so that's sad.

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Spelled it out right there in nineteen seventy eight. That same informant was murdered. Oh that's shocking. You know. Wow, informants get murdered a lot, which is really sad.

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It's a very hazardous job. It is. And then also in nineteen seventy six, mobster Johnny Roselli indicated Marcello was involved and then Roselli was also murdered.

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Everybody's dying. It's like you spill the beans, you're going to die. Yeah. You're either talking or dying or both seriously. And that makes it easy to see why Marcello has been suspected over the years of having some involvement in the planning of the assassination.

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Yeah, a a lot of people are indicting. The final mob theory is that the mob offered JFK as a favor to Jimmy Hoffa, who in return started to give the Mafia access to the Teamsters pension fund. I love how they're just like throw in any mobster like Jimmy Hoffa in there as well.

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Who else was a big man at the time? For. Landing at number four this week is the conspiracy theory that the FBI was behind the assassination. There are some compelling elements to this theory, especially the fact that J. Edgar Hoover, who is running the FBI at the time, was about to lose his job, mainly because JFK disliked him.

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Oh, Hoover was 68 years old. Federal law at the time required him to step down on his seventieth birthday. He knew that Kennedy wanted him gone. So already we're stacking it up. He's already told Hoover had publicly battled JFK and his brother and thought that the siblings would fire him after the 1964 election.

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So it sounds to me like know he had a motive for trying to keep my job. Motive is there. The theory here is that Hoover knew of various plots to kill Kennedy, but he just took no action. OK, because I was going to say I don't really think like that. Head of the FBI was like, oh, I did it. I don't think he was like, yes, I absolutely did this. He just made it easy.

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The theory that he's like, did I hear about it?

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And just maybe turn the other way and hum a little tune. I think that happens a lot in politics. I think it happens like every minute and it's happening right now.

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Currently, he failed to inform the Secret Service of threats to the president's life. So he took an uncharacteristically hands off approach to investigating possible conspirators. So it's getting weirder and weirder here.

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Yeah, and the thought is that whoever orchestrated an early transfer of power to his ally, LBJ, who as president could and did exempt him from mandatory retirement. So it took away that seventieth birthday. I mean, this sounds like a pretty strong theory. It's all kind of lining up because if the president goes away, he gets what he wants. And that's exactly what happened. Yeah. And it literally happened exactly how he wanted it to happen. Right.

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And the theory is that Lee Harvey Oswald was an FBI informant who killed Kennedy on orders from the bureau. Wow. I know. Again, it's all sounding like that's absurd, right? It's a movie. But is it is it really absurd? I want to know how they would, like, find somebody and make them kill the president. Then I would take a lot of convincing, but who knows?

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There's also another theory that Oswald warned the FBI of plots to kill Kennedy, only to find himself framed and then silenced by fellow informant Jack Ruby. Lots of informants gone wrong here.

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Informants on informants, on informants.

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Seriously, what are you is going to die or all of you? It seems like all of them laughing the end. Number three on our countdown of JFK assassination theories is that Lee Harvey Oswald was working with the Cubans, the Soviets or both, after Oswald was released from active duty in the Marine Corps. He defected to the Soviet Union in October 1959 and then came back to the US in 1962. But it's a trip he took the following year to Mexico City while under investigation by the FBI and the CIA that landed this theory on the list.

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And so how do you do like a secret trip while the FBI and the CIA are watching you? I don't like hold on. I'm just going to dip real quick. I'll be right back. Well, not kind of lends favor to your previous theory. Kind of does. You're right. In September nineteen sixty three, Oswald went to Mexico City and visited both the Cuban and the Soviet embassies in an apparent move to get a visa. So what Oswald was doing for the rest of the time in Mexico remains the most important unrevealed secret in this entire case, revealing I can't.

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Reportedly, he contacted a KGB officer in Department 13, which the CIA described as, quote, charged with sabotage and assassination.

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Oh, so, again, Woop. There it is. There it is.

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Secrets uncovered. There were also reports that CIA documents about Oswald's Mexico City visit were withheld at the last minute, shortly before the assassination of former CIA officer believes that the government freaked out and shut down the investigation as a possible cover up. The government just freaked out. I mean, I think that happens a lot. Also, lots of cover ups in so many freakouts and they realize that the Secret Service wasn't informed, so they couldn't confront Oswald before Kennedy's visit to Dallas.

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And then in nineteen sixty seven, a Cuban intelligence officer is said to have called Oswald a great shot during an interrogation. Oh, he literally said, oh, he was quite good. I knew him. Oh, he's like, oh, that guy. I know him. He just slips that right in there. Good shot. Yeah, don't worry about it. And it's like I think the FBI might have known that casual the CIA, FBI, Congress and experts have all dismissed a Cuban or Soviet plot or their involvement.

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Obviously, they're not just going to like, you know what?

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You got me. You're right. You're right. There's some inside jobs happening here. There is, and I feel like some conspiracies are lending themselves to others, they are they kind of go hand in hand. Yeah. They piggyback off of each other.

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Yeah. And I think that's kind of cool because what the hell happened?

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I don't know. And there's only two more theories. And I have like a couple ideas, but I just don't know what's next. No, I don't either. I know what's next, but I don't know what's after that.

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Yeah, exactly. So that's all I can say. I just meant that I don't know what you have I'm ready for.

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To. We're down to the final two spots on our countdown of JFK assassination theories at number two, maybe the CIA is behind it all. In the early 1960s, Kennedy was angry with the CIA about their plans to take out Fidel Castro. The CIA was angry with Kennedy for failing to support more air strikes on Cuba.

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Kennedy allegedly wanted to disband the CIA, so they had him killed. Who dislike goes with my other one. It's like it's all an inside job. It's everybody.

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It really is the FBI, the CIA. It's everybody, everyone we're supposed to trust.

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I think that makes people just feel like they're still good at their jobs. They just, like, hated this one. Do exactly. It's like it's fine. That guy's still OK. Yeah, it's totally fine. Kennedy accepted responsibility publicly for the ill fated Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, but privately he blamed the CIA. Kennedy used the Bay of Pigs invasion to obtain the resignation of longtime CIA director Allen Dulles.

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Dulles later was a member of the Warren Commission, the panel that determined that Oswald acted alone and the CIA was not helpful to the commission and dock's later released about the assassination, also failed to reveal new details about Oswald's visit to embassies in Mexico City, which is exactly what you were just talking about, piggy back, piggy backing everywhere.

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And Russia's leaders knew they would have been the first suspects if they engineered an assassination on Oswald. Well, definitely it would have been an act of war which could have triggered a nuclear attack, which means points more towards the CIA. Right, exactly. They're covering their bases.

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And this is what's crazy about all of this. Every time I'm like, no, this is it. It seems like this is it. The next one. I know. No, this is it. This time, maybe all of them are it in one like crazy, convoluted story all adds up together.

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Well, Clay Shaw, the only man charged with conspiracy in the JFK murder, testified under oath that he never worked for the CIA but was actually an informant.

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So he lied under a document surfaced, which seemed to imply that Shah was cleared for a secret project, the nature of which is still classified. He kept killing the president. I want to declassify all of this.

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I don't know why it wouldn't be at this point. Oh, it makes me crazy.

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And that brings us to number one on our countdown of the top 10 JFK assassination theories that are the grassy knoll.

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Oh, it's the theory.

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One of the most widely believed theories that contradicts the official investigation is that there was a second shooter. The theory is that at least one other shooter was stationed on the grassy knoll, an area JFK's car was driving past when he was shot.

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Three shots were fired that day. The first missed the second shot. The magic bullet passed through Kennedy and hit Texas Governor John Connally. And the third shot is what killed JFK. So people have mocked the so-called magic bullet theory that a single bullet hit both Kennedy and Connally. But modern forensic experts conclude that it's most likely the two bullets that struck JFK came from the same direction, the Book Depository. So here's the second gunman theory, JFK. His head appears to snap backward, which makes more sense if he was shot from the front, because obviously that's just what happened.

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Yeah, but those who disagree with this theory say that it was just likely a physical reaction to the first non-fatal shot that hit him. And some witnesses claimed that they heard gunfire from the grassy knoll. But there's no physical evidence that has ever been found there.

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A cover up, a cover up. Obviously, medical personnel who treated the president at the Parkland Hospital testified that they saw an exit type wound in the rear of his head. See, so a cover up, a cover up on a cover up on a cover up loose ends on loose ends on loose ends.

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What do you think makes the most sense?

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I'm happy to see the grassy knoll is number one because I think the grassy knoll is a very good one. Yeah, I definitely think it makes a lot of sense.

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It's clean. It doesn't involve a lot of craziness. There's no poison darts involved. And I think the poison darts was a little poison dart, but is great. I'm glad it was number 10 because you got to say it. And then, like, the mob theories are fun, but I think it's like a little very involved, way too involved, too complicated.

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Someone would get bored of that halfway through and be like, forget it.

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But the grassy knoll one, you're like, yeah, it makes sense. There really was in the CIA and the FBI. I hate to say that, like, don't come for me, Mr. FBI man and my phone, but I like the theory.

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Just kind of makes little sense. It just lends itself to all the other theories.

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And then, of course, we have the over Secret Service agent, which is absurd as it sounds.

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That one happened horribly fun. It is. It's horribly fun.

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And it could have happened. Yeah, I'm not saying it did because. All right. George Hickey. Yes, precisely.

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