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Welcome to Dateline, everyone, I'm Lester Holt. A new call for justice in America. It was a defining movement of 20, 20 and perhaps of our time police shootings, protests, tragedies that just keep happening tonight. Three families at the very center of this struggle have come together for the first time, united in a powerful plea for change. Here's Craig Melvin.

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Twenty twenty was a year like no other. Testing America at every turn.

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But it was the wave of police violence against African-Americans last spring and summer that pushed many to the breaking point by millions of protesters poured into the streets, heartbroken and angry over what many see as a long standing pattern of police brutality.

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George Floyd, Brianna Taylor, Richard Brooks, Elijah McClain and Jacob Blake all tragically became household names in 2020, putting their families green on public display in ways almost impossible to understand and thrusting the family members into unfamiliar roles at the head of a movement.

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The people marching in the streets are telling you. Enough is enough. Tonight, Dateline brings some of these families together for the first time. The siblings of George Floyd, who died under a Minneapolis police officers, need the father and sister of Jacob Blake, who was shot in the back multiple times by Kenosha, Wisconsin, police and the mother and son of Eric Garner, whose death from a New York City police officer's chokehold in 2014. In some ways gave rise to today's movement.

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This is my family. We didn't choose this family. This family chose us.

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They hold what they have to say. What many black Americans have said for decades about unequal systems of justice in America will finally be heard. And they especially hope the Biden administration, which takes office in two weeks, is listening.

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First of all, how does it feel just being in in the same room with people who have experienced the kind of loss that you guys have all felt?

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I think it's a kind of a unity because we've all have a certain bond now because we know what it is to lose a loved one or to get a loved one so severely injured that it takes a part of us.

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And it's so easy to look at each one of these people here and know they get it, man.

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They get it because you never ask to be in this situation but for somebody else's racism. We're in this situation. Because we are not looked at like humans, many black Americans routinely face small acts of racism in their everyday lives, but they're also aware that something small can quickly escalate into something dangerous, just as it did this past Memorial Day, when two Minneapolis police officers approached a car driven by 46 year old George Floyd is seen on this video that's become all too familiar, but still extremely difficult to watch.

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It was here that he had been reported for allegedly using a counterfeit 20 dollar bill to remain unarmed. Floyd was forced out of his car and handcuffed. Officers didn't try to move him into the back seat of their police cruiser. And two more officers arrived, including Derek Chauvet, who dragged Floyd out of the police car onto the street.

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Then he pressed his knee onto Floyd's neck and green leaves and the bystander screamed that shopin to stop you to stop his breathing right now.

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Well, you think that's cool, you know?

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Yeah, but while the other officers stood by, Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck for nearly nine and a half minutes.

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I love you. I love you about the level that I'm going.

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George Floyd was pronounced dead a short time later. Video of the killing began to be shared widely that night for lowness forward. A truck driver was on the road when he saw the video where he now rated his death.

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It was like a motion picture. The man had his knee on his neck. He didn't care. He had his hands in his pockets.

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George Floyd, sister Bridget still can't bear to look. I'm just not ready for that. But the video going viral.

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Hey, what is going to be done? So what? It went viral. What do I want to do about it now that the nation has seen it justice?

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That video, of course, produced a seismic shock first in Minneapolis, where the reaction went from grief and determination just to anger. Then the protests spread around the country, around the world. Not getting all this attention on Georgia's death was quite overwhelming for the fluid's a working class family, a religious family who generally minded their own business.

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Were there moments where you thought, wow, this reaction, I can't get my head around this reaction?

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Or was the reaction precisely what it should have been, the reaction by people that hard enough is enough?

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I think it was more trying to wrap it around. It just didn't seem. What it was that was wrong, the family had been pushed into the spotlight and realized they were at the center of a massive movement.

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This is a global movement. People and parents garner just different places they are looking and they look like that with Rome. Welcome, everyone.

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George Ford's funeral was carried live on multiple networks.

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Everybody is going to remember him around the world. He's going to change the world. As they leave their brother to rest, George Floyds siblings decided they wanted to honor his memory and become leaders of that change. His death would not be in vain. And for guidance, they would turn to someone who knew exactly what they were going through because she'd been through it herself.

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I said, I know that you'll have a video and you have the nation behind you at this time, but don't think it's a slam dunk.

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What do we come back? My son was killed. Now the pain is still fresh for the family of Eric Garner. They always see us as armed and dangerous. And in reality, they are part of wars long and they. This young man was crying for his mother at the end that was like my son echoing from the grave when Gwen Carr saw the video of George Ford's death.

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She reached out to his family, people she had never met.

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I just felt like an echo. I felt like I need to be there to light, for comfort, for support, for solidarity.

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Do you remember what she said when you go?

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Pretty much. She'd been through it before and told us you had to get through it and you had to keep pushing.

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George's brother Rodney says he's grateful Gwen was there to show them the way the situation.

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We didn't know how to react and also seeing her for the first time. I'm going to talk about this in a woman's dream because it was so new and I knew the heartbreak that was there.

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I know, like, when this happens to you, you don't know which way to turn. Who did turn to my son was killed.

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What is about to die? For many black Americans, the death of Gwen's son, Eric Garner is a painful and haunting memory. And another video that is still hard to watch.

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Among my guests, please just leave me alone. On July 17th, 2014 to New York City, police officers approached 43 year old Garner on a Staten Island street, accusing him of selling loosies or untaxed cigarettes.

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I told you the last time, please leave me alone.

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When the six foot, two inch Garner resisted arrest, Officer Daniel Pantaleo placed him in a chokehold, a tactic long banned by the NYPD for additional officers, then helped hold him down after pleading I can't breathe 11 times, Garner fell unconscious.

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An ambulance was called and he went into cardiac arrest for drug use and Garner was pronounced dead.

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About an hour later, he left behind six children. His namesake, Eric Snipes, is one of them. You were 20 years old when your father was killed and I was leaving for college. I know. I know. We had him all ready for college.

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How is that shaped you in your interactions not just with police, but just with the world? It was hard. I was struggling and then watching a George Floyd video. I just like, ain't no help.

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First Officer Schavan left his knee on George Floyd's neck.

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The events of twenty twenty were hard on young Eric. Now he felt the protests did nothing to change the fact that black men are killed disproportionately by police. And while government data on the topic is limited. Several studies confirm he's right. A recent Harvard study concluded black people on average are three times more likely than white people to be killed during a police encounter. Eric wonders if police officers pay attention to what's happening.

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All these videos that go viral, they have to seada this like they don't have no remorse. And we pull to be calm when we have every right to be mad at the world. Why they are not sticking up for us and you are opposed to serve and protect us.

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They always see us as armed and dangerous. And in reality they are they are the ones armed and dangerous. They looked at us as America's Most Wanted right now and they can shoot us or choke us out on the spot they get back.

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And when remembers the outrage and media attention after her son died, bringing how his final words I Can't Breathe became a rallying cry for a movement that ultimately faded.

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It always the same. It always starts. It always, always, always start.

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But but it dies down twice as many felt. The reaction over George Floyds killing seemed more intense, widespread and potentially lasting demonstrations included people of all races, all ages. We need to stand up and say that Black Lives Matter and members from both sides of the political aisle.

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Villainess was even invited to speak at a congressional hearing on police brutality.

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The same day my brother's funeral, I flew out to Washington. Had no time to make an adjustment, no time to grieve.

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Thank you for the invitation here today to talk about my big brother George Fulness. The merry truck driver who lived a quiet life in Houston was suddenly an advocate. I can't tell you the kind of pain you feel when you watch something like that, when you watch your big brother, who you looked up to your whole entire life, Di Di begging for his mom on a George and make the necessary changes that make law enforcement the solution and not the problem.

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You made headlines with that moving address to lawmakers. How did you arrive at a point where you could do that? Me going?

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I was speaking for everybody, not just me, everybody.

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You meant you didn't have to to take that pain and turn it into this activism and this advocacy. But you have why?

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Unity, solidarity. Everybody need to stand together. And until I can get that satisfaction of understanding and knowing that I matter, my life matters here in a never be the same for me, I will have to keep protesting.

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But the summer was heating up and that resolve was about to be tested.

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Coming up. Sitting there watching your child's. A father overcome with emotion, sometimes you get tired, cries out for change is to change these laws. We're not asking, we're demanding. When Dateline continues.

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Hey, guys, Willie Geist here reminding you to check out the Sunday's Sit Down podcast. On this week's episode, I get together with Emmy Award winner Rachel Brosnahan to talk about the return of her hit series, The Marvelous Miss Masel, taking on her first starring role in a major movie and what life has been like during quarantine, including a lot of Survivor reruns. You can listen to our full conversation right now on the Sunday Sit Down podcast, get it for free wherever you download yours.

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He was one four weeks after George Ford's death. Protesters continue to fill the streets angry and in tears. I won't be satisfied until I can wake up and have kids and have them not fear their lives just for being black.

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Most were peaceful and law abiding, but some turned violent businesses were looted and properties destroyed. Then on August twenty third, another flash point, another video that still difficult to watch.

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Forty three minutes to the point.

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Kenosha, Wisconsin, police responded to a domestic dispute between a woman named Lucretia Booker and Jacob Blak Jr., a 29 year old man with an outstanding arrest warrant for allegedly assaulting her. When police arrived, they got into an altercation with Blake as they tried to arrest him. Wow. The footage shows Blake walking to the driver's side of his vehicle. That's Officer Rustin. Chesky coming close behind gun drawn. Blake leans into the car as Chesky fires seven shots, paralyzing him from the waist down.

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Booker witnessed the shooting as her three kids with Blake sat in the back seat.

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You saw him numerous times for no reason. He didn't take all that disregard that my kid was in the car at all and, you know, I was in there.

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But earlier this week, Kenosha County District Attorney Michael Gravely told reporters there was a reason Jacob Blake was holding a knife.

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The question to a jury would be, did Officer Chesky reasonably believe that the shooting at Jacob Blake was necessary to prevent being stabbed by him?

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The D.A. said Chesky would have had a strong case for self-defense and didn't charge any of the officers involved. Jacob Blake senior has insisted all along that there is no justification for what happened to his son.

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When does not listening to the police, when they tell you to stop walking to justify seven shots to the back.

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Anything they do to African Americans or brown people in this country is justified, would freaking hatred, deep seated hatred, deep seated hatred?

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Jacob Senior is most angry about what he saw when he arrived at the hospital.

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You see your son condition paralyzed from the waist down and he's handcuffed that now or when that happened.

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Oh, Lord, strike my nerve. It was not a handcuff. It was a shackle. Where was he going? It's mental. It's a mental jail. I was so enraged that I didn't talk to anybody. I didn't talk to his mother, his sisters. I didn't talk to anybody the whole night.

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Jacob Junior is still paralyzed and recovering with the help of his family. And Mr. Blake, we know how he is physically but emotionally. How is how is Jacob? He has pain 24 hours a day. So it works on you. Take your time. It's OK. Let it out sitting there watching your child. Just go through this. But you can't go in there with him with tears and I don't get an off day, I'm sorry are no, I'm.

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No apology needed. So sometimes you get tired.

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And what these families have grown most tired of is a criminal justice system they say is neither fair nor equal.

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I tell you, those two systems of justice is a white system for white people and then is just us.

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That's right. You don't get no justice. There's just us.

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And there's research to support their claims. Black people make up only 13 percent of the nation's population, yet they represent a third of the prison population. So what do these families want to do?

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Our purpose is to change these laws. Our purpose is to implement what we want. We're not asking.

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We're demanding.

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What does having advocates like them?

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What does that do for the cause?

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I think it gives a face for the cause, a face for the movement.

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Civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump represents the Blake and Floyd families and many others.

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Are you at all concerned that that part of the legacy of 20, 20 is also going to be in antipolice sentiment that has been created in this country?

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I hope not.

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I think that we need police to do their jobs for everybody in America, that is, to protect and serve us.

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However, what we need is those good police officers to say something when they see bad police officers do bad things.

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But as the shootings and protests have shown, the debate over policing is far more complicated than that. And the police also have something to say about it. Coming up, the shot in the back. Isn't that the very definition of excessive force? Law enforcement speaks out next. This is a room filled with pain, families who've lost or watched loved ones suffer because of police violence. It's also a room filled with anger toward a profession that vows to protect and serve.

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If you could sit down face to face with someone who supports law enforcement. What would you say? I spit on him, walk out the room. All police officers are bad.

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Yes, I really don't trust no Jake Obliques, Sister La Weidemann. And you sit this down in front of someone that calls itself the law, but they're living above the law and we are supposed to respect that.

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We wanted to hear from the heads of police unions in the cities where George Floyd and Eric Garner died and Jacob Blake was left paralyzed. We also reached out to the police chiefs of Minneapolis and Kenosha. They either declined or did not respond to our interview requests, though someone did want to speak.

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It's important for law enforcement to acknowledge that there is a family, there are loved ones grieving in these cases.

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Jim Pullman represents the largest police union in Wisconsin, though not the officers in Kenosha or Jacob Blake was shot.

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The most common reaction that I encountered following the tragic death of George Floyd was one of outrage.

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But other cases like the shooting of Jacob Blake have provoked a more complicated response.

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There are a lot of officers that said, well, we shouldn't rush to judgment, we ought to know more. I think that was fair.

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But he's shot in the back. Isn't that the very definition of excessive force?

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It could be is the answer. The courts have long held that officers can shoot a subject in the back if they're fleeing, if they pose a substantial risk to the officers or the public. I don't think sitting here today we have enough information to know whether that exists.

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In general, though, how do officers feel about being held criminally accountable for the use of excessive force that kills her injures?

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I think it's fair to say that no one wants a bad cop out of the profession more than a good one. If an officer breaks the law, they ought to be held accountable.

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The families that we talked to have said that policing in America is systemically racist. What do you say to that?

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There are systemic disparities that exist all throughout our country. And I think it's also perhaps unfair to say that all of this should be laid on the doorstep of law enforcement.

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We put the question to someone who has studied policing. Philip Goff is a social scientist and Yale University professor. To those who would say there is not systemic racism in policing, you would say, well, I'm sorry.

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That's what I'd say, because they're not looking at anything like real data.

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He points to overwhelming research showing anti black bias in law enforcement. The best way to end it, he says, is not by changing what individual officers believe, but how they behave by rewriting police policy.

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If you do a policy in such a way that it drives day to day activity, you're building a culture. That's how you change institutions is you change culture.

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The reinventing a culture he admits can be challenging. Consider the Minneapolis Police Department in 2016. Goff started helping officials there rework rules on the use of force. During the time we were mostly there are twenty sixteen of twenty eighteen.

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Minneapolis dropped their use of force by about 18 percent. Good news, right? And the communities within Minneapolis felt that their police department got less racist during the period of time when we were working.

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But he says he told officials repeatedly that those policies, new rules for how police used force could be undermined by a few cynical officers.

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I said to Chief Rondeau, who is there right now, you have a group of officers who don't care about the trainings. They're just waiting for you to get fired for the next person to get in these lifted them up, he says.

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A month after their last conversation, George Floyd was killed by a veteran Minneapolis police officer with a history of complaints against him.

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You can make the argument that if trainings were better, Officer Shivam doesn't put a knee on the neck or the other officers actually engage in the duty to intervene. There was a culture that the senior officer is not questioned, and that's what happened.

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Still, he believes police departments can transform toxic cultures in part by changing their makeup. He points to a recent study on Chicago's efforts to diversify its force.

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There's just brand new research showing that there are real substantial gains in lower arrest, lower stop, lower use of force as black and Latino folks join police forces.

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But activists like Ben Crump say they doubt police departments on their own can make the kind of profound changes that are needed. He wants the federal government to get involved to free up money for more police body cameras and to ban no knock warrants and chokeholds.

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In many cities, the chokehold is still legal.

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But calling for change is one thing, getting it another. That's why at the end of last summer, Crump and thousands more, including some familiar faces, would march to the nation's doorstep to demand action.

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Every black person in the United States is going to stand up.

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The only question was whether anyone on Capitol Hill would listen.

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Coming up, we can no longer use the excuse of being deaf to the cries of justice. Those police officers who are risking their lives, those good ones, they feel like they're getting kicked in the rear in a debate and a defeat.

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Many said that your bill perhaps went too far. Maybe they should start going to some of these funerals that I go to when Dateline continues. Hey, it's Chris Hayes this week on my podcast.

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Why is this happening? I'll be talking with writer Wright Thompson about nostalgia, memory, the South and Bourbon.

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One of the things that really blew my mind during this book is finding out that Kentucky, for instance, was in the union. You know, of course, bourbon, which is the most nostalgic and mythologized of all drinks. Of course, bourbon is made in a place that now pretends it lost a war. It actually won. So when you're looking at the South, you do need to understand the power and seductiveness of mythology and always be aware of the fact that if you aren't looking out for it, it will get you.

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That's this week. And why is this happening? Search for why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. These families see there are two ways of policing in America, one for white people and another for black people.

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We have to have two different conversations with our children. We have to tell them how to react when they are stopped by the police. Why people don't have that conversation.

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We have to say all these things. If you stop while you're driving, keep your hands on the wheel.

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Why do we have to have two different conversations?

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If we all American, we all pay in taxes and unfortunately, our young people don't even have that luxury of being young and having poor judgment because a poor judgment for a white kid in America gets you a slap on the wrist for judgment for a African-American kid can get you killed. That's right.

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I think in the days following George Ford's death, some progressives called for defunding police departments, a position that roiled many on the left and the right.

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Still, Washington scrambled to respond to the crisis. President Trump issued an executive order calling for changes in policing.

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We need to bring law enforcement and communities closer together, not to drive them apart. Republican Senator Tim Scott proposed a police bill that quickly died in the Senate after Democrats said it did not go far enough in the House. Representative Karen Bass put forward yet another piece of legislation called the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act.

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The piece of legislation was a compilation of bills that members of the Congressional Black Caucus have worked on for years.

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The legislation was sweeping in scope. It would withhold federal funding for police departments in states that have not banned chokehold. It would create a database for tracking problem officers, and it would lower the bar for federal charges and conviction. Right now, federal prosecutors have to prove an officer intended to kill the bill would make it easier to convict by showing the officer who was acting recklessly.

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Would it make it easier to convict an officer accused of killing an unarmed civilians? Yes, it would actually take the criminal standard down from willfully to recklessly or knowingly. Representative Cedric Richmond of Louisiana is one of the bill's co-sponsors. The standard right now, if you want to prosecute a police officer, is so high that it's just shouldn't even exist because it's too hard to meet that bar.

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The bill even seeks to end what's called qualified immunity, making it easier for civilians to sue individual officers in federal court. Police representatives say that would have a chilling effect on the profession.

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I don't know who's going to do the job of policing in America if that's the standard that we're going to hold law enforcement officers to America's conflicted attitudes on police reform by the NYPD. We're being reflected by its politicians as the House took up the bill in late June. Democrats backing it.

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We can no longer use the excuse of being death to the cries of justice.

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Republicans largely opposing it.

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Those police officers who are risking their lives, those good ones, they feel like they're getting kicked in the rear end.

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Things got heated when Representative Richmond, the Democrat, accused Republicans of trying to water down the legislation with amendments.

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It is about black males, black people in the streets that are getting killed. And one of them happens to be your kid. I'm concerned about him, too. And clearly, I'm more concerned about him than you are. So let's be clear about claiming. So you're claiming. I am. And for my family that I do. Who in the hell you are?

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Gentlemen, if the shoe fits on June 25th, the measure passed mostly along party lines and headed to the Republican controlled Senate.

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Worried about its future members of the fluid and bleak families and thousands more streamed on to the Lincoln Memorial to mark the anniversary of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s I Have a dream speech. Their message to senators pass that bill. Voluminous fluid gave a rallying speech. Everybody out here right now, our leaders, they need to follow us while we are marching to enact laws to protect us.

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Jake Obliques Senior addressed the crowd to note that that's that's that's just days after your son had been shot.

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You decided to go to Washington and participate in the march. Why was that so important to you?

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Because my father was at the original march on Washington. My father march from Selma to Montgomery. You know, he was never fearful. He was ready to do what he had to do. I was never fearful. I knew I had to fight for my son. So that everyone would know who he is, the event, a call to action, but also a time of shared pain, it's a lot of families, a lot of families that didn't go viral.

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I witnessed that in Washington as people were just walking up and telling me stuff.

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I was like, wow, because some stuff similar to them, it happened to us.

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But nobody because they didn't have the footage.

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But in the end, the voices raised here did not move the ones here. The bill did not make it to the Senate floor last year for vote.

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Many on the other side of the aisle said that your bill, while well intentioned, perhaps went too far. What would you say to them?

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Well, I would say that maybe they should start going to some of these funerals that I go to. Maybe they should talk to some of the families that I talk to.

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So now, after a long and dispiriting year, these families are left to wonder, does police reform, the kind envisioned really have a future coming up?

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Where does the fight go from here? I think it's a journey to justice. These other families out there, we got to keep pushing. We have to. The George Floyd Justice and Policing Act is sitting somewhere in the nation's Senate chambers, still waiting for votes, still just a dream.

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And now we are back to where we started when the man who inspired that legislation became a household name. So much has and has not happened. But hands, are you more optimistic about change coming as a result of what you all experience?

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Well, I could halfway raise my hand, but this is this this is this is a pessimistic group. It's not a matter of pessimism, though somewhat less pessimistic will be presented with all of the facts that things are getting better. But they choose to just keep on believing negative. That's not the case here. What we're being presented is a vicious cycle that keeps happening over and over and over in different forms.

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The way they see it that's stalled, Bill, is a sign. Nothing changes, nothing moving to the next step. So how can they.

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I've never been in your situation, but. But have you all gotten to a point where where you are forgiving ho after he gets seven bullets and.

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Well, I tell him maybe I'll forgive him, but until then, no forgiveness.

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None how to forgive the person that not only murdered loved one, but is also out there walking in the street business as usual.

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In the Eric Garner case, a grand jury declined to indict the officer who used that chokehold. He was fired in twenty nineteen five years after Garner's death. In the Jacob Blake case, where the D.A. did not file charges against the officers involved, a federal investigation is ongoing.

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But in the George fluid case, four officers were immediately fired and charged with crimes, including second degree murder for Derrick Chauvet. The officers have not yet pleaded in court. The events over the past year, what do you think they are going to mean for policing moving forward?

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Well, I hope it brings about the kind of change that we need to in this country. And if we just as a law enforcement community, don't take a more proactive role and we shouldn't be surprised when the public reaction grows more severe and the calls for reform are more radical.

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Jim Palmer says his union has taken the initiative, calling for more body cameras, beefed up community policing and de-escalation training for its members. Meanwhile, in Washington, there has, of course, been a big change that could affect federal policies. In two weeks, Joe Biden becomes president and Cedric Richmond will be pushing for reforms in his new position as senior adviser to the president. What are you going to advise the president to do about policing reform in this country?

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My advice to him is going to be use political capital to try to get this done, because at the end of the day, it saves lives. The fact that a president will say this is important, let's talk about it. Let me convene different sides so that we can come together and address legislation. I think that's a lot different than what we had. But civil rights activists like Ben Crump say it's still up to average Americans to keep the pressure on politicians to act.

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He says history has taught us that you're optimistic. I get the sense you're. I am Mr. Mr..

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Do you think, though, sometimes that perhaps. With regards to race relations, we've gone backwards in our country, I think is a journey to justice, I think about the precedents of how we overcame slavery. I think about the precedents of how we overcame reconstruction, how we overcame Plessy v. Ferguson, how we overcame separate but equal, how we overcame Jim Crow, whatever they thought, black people in America. We're going to overcome it. Based on precedence going, Karr's journey is proof of that in the long run, we expect justice after her son died.

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She struggled for years to get the Eric Garner A. Chokehold Act passed in New York State.

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And I've been fighting up, been rallying. I've been going up to Albany speaking with the lawmakers.

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The bill sought to criminalize police chokeholds, but for five years, she met resistance. Finally, after George Fluid's death, Gwinn had the public momentum she needed and prevailed.

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It was a long time coming, but it came. And thank you. Thank you all very much.

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The neck restraints used on Eric Garner and George FOID are now illegal in the state of New York and punishable by up to 15 years in prison. New York City police unions have filed a lawsuit to overturn the legislation, but the families in this room are prepared for obstacles. We've got to keep pushing.

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We have to because we don't want it to just be another dead body on the floor.

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You you've been doing this a little bit longer than than they have. Does it get easier? It doesn't get easier.

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But there's other families out there. There's generations that we have to save.

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And that's our job now. And long as I think we stay together and become a bridge of strength, that we can do this.

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Their call for change is urgent. We need to hear it and heed it. That's all for this edition of Dateline. We'll see you again Friday at nine eight Central. And, of course, I'll see you each weeknight for NBC Nightly News. I'm Lester Holt. For all of us at NBC News, good night.

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They started digging up the great from executive producers Kelly Ripa and Mark Consuelos, or too many unanswered questions. We have to exhume her body to solve a crime that is major evidence and nobody knew about before. Sometimes you have to dig deep. The exhumation was the most important thing that led to justice in this case.

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Exude a new series Sunday, January 17th, at 7:00.

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