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All right, we got Bronson and Corbin here today. A little tight fit, but we made it happen.

Oh, yeah, we're good. We're brothers.

Yeah, You said you used to sleep in the same bed, right? Yeah.

Now we're... What? You're 6'10. He's taller than me. I'm the older brother.

Big, you know?

Yeah, it's true.

When did you guys stop growing?

He was earlier than me. I was the late bloomer. Really? Yeah. I grew into my 20s, a few inches, but you probably... He came into high school at 6'5. He was the man child.

6'5 in high school is no joke. Yeah.

I was probably like... I grew in there 2 inches the next year. So when I was a sophomore in high school, It's about when I was done growing.

Okay. So a little early, right? A little early. I grew a little in college, too. Okay. Yeah. Were you guys playing... You guys were playing football, basketball, anything else in high school?

We did track and failed.

Oh, you did track?

Yeah. Let's go. We go throw for fun. We're like, Javelin throwing looks cool. Let's go do it after practice.

I did an actual event, though. That's true. And I'm not going to lie, it was my only event.

Shots fired at Javelin throwers.

I loved it. Yeah.

Throwing It's no joke, though.

Oh, it's so different. It made me realize how unathletic I was in something.

Man, I watched the shot put every Olympics, the Krauser guy or whatever his name is. Oh, yeah. That dude's a beast.

Bro, it's wild.

People don't know how hard that is.

Spending like a top, too, on the shot put. But I thought you were talking about the shot put guy.

Yeah. No, he is a shot put guy. He is a shot put guy, right? He might do discus, too, though. Okay. I'm not sure if he does both, but he definitely does Big guys spinning that fast.

I'm surprised they don't dig into the ground like a top because they've spent so fast. I know.

It's nuts. Yeah, track and field, shout out. Those guys don't get respect.

Oh, absolutely not. And they're great lifters, too. Yeah. All those dudes are just unbelievably strong.

Were you guys way better at football than basketball? Is that why you picked NFL?

What do you think? Exactly. I'd say it's different for each of us. I grew up watching him play more basketball. He was in the AAU circuit. I was the little brother going all the in. And so I always thought he'd be more of a basketball player. But then it's weird, our body's changed and just football fit in some ways better.

Our dad's a football coach. Coached for 30 years, college football.

Got it. So you didn't have much of a choice.

We were around all the time. We're in the locker room after the game. We're living at the facility pretty much all summer, going to camps.

How tall was he? He must have been a giant, too.

Yeah, he's about 6'5. He's probably about the same weight. 285, 290.

So you both outgrew your dad then?

Yeah. He's the oldest of nine kids. Holy shit. And he's not even the biggest one.

Damn. Yeah. So you're just a family of athletes?

Yeah. There's a lot of us, honestly. Over 20 first cousins all played D1.

Holy crap. There's a lot of us. Dance. Sports was the route for you guys. It wasn't any other option.

Yeah. That's how it felt.

It was just like that. It was just quick. My dad always says when they came from the islands and someone told him, You know you can go to college playing football? I It was an aha moment for him. He went home. He's like, I know how we're all going to go to school. We can do this. It's all the boys up.

Was it super high pressure? Because some parents pressure their kids so much to the point where the kids end up hitting the sport.

Yeah. I feel like we had the opposite experience where our dad never pushed us to play. He actually told us not to play football.

Really?

Oh, wow. He was like, Do whatever you want. And we just gravitated towards it because we loved seeing him and we loved just being around it type of thing. But yeah, he was hands-off for most of our careers until we played for him. And then it was-He was our coach. Now, you're going to work harder because you're my son. He was your college coach?

He was our college coach.

And he had never coached. I'm the oldest, so I was the first one to go through. He had never coached me or Corbin, anyone in our family in a sport before because he was a college football coach.

Oh, wow.

So really, that was our first time having him as a coach was when we went to college. Yeah. It was awesome.

Okay. Yeah. Did the teammates hate you guys because he favored you guys?

It was the opposite. Oh, really?

They felt bad for us. They felt bad for us? Why does your dad got to say that to you? Why does he have to make you do more than everyone else?

But I already knew. I knew I was going to do more. I was going to I was going to stay longer. I was going to... And it was expected because he... Coming from Tonga, it's very warrior culture, I would say. And so everything was earned. So we had to go above and beyond that just so that the other Other players knew that there wasn't favoritism going on.

Oh, wow. Well, it ended up working. You both made the league, right?

It did work. We made it.

What year did you guys go?

I was 2016. I got dropped. My last year was 2015 in college.

Okay. Did you do all four years?

Yeah, I did four seasons, three and a half years in college.

Nice. So, yeah. What round?

I was the third round. Let's go.

That's big, right? There's so many rounds in the NFL. I don't even know how many there are, but third sounds really good.

Yeah, it was solid. Yeah, it was solid, and it was a cool experience.

Let's go. What about you?

I was the undrafted free agent. Okay. So definitely different paths, but I loved it. It was an experience for sure.

That's a hard path, right? Trying this and everything.

I had three surgeries after my senior year. Holy crap. Before getting to spring training, I was just recovering the whole time. It was the Ringer, but learned so much.

Yeah. And now you guys have transitioned into business. What was that transition like from sports to business?

You know what? For me, I just was watching a lot of my teammates in the locker room. We're always talking business and testing. And I just felt like, man, I grew up in a place where I had great mentors. Here in Utah, there's a lot of great business people and entrepreneurs and founders and all these different things. And so I decided, okay, I need to really lean on that. I'm going to go out. I'll buy in pretty much and And if I can learn how to do it, then I'll bring great people. Because that's what I noticed people were struggling within the locker room, the players. They were just getting involved with the wrong people. And a lot of it was just because... And we were the same. We didn't grow up even saying the word investing. So when someone says investing, we're like, Which person's word? Yeah, we don't want to say that. But it was awesome, though, because we did find the right people, fortunately, and they were able to teach us how to do that and do it at a high level. And I think that's what really changed it for us.

So, yeah, started in real estate and then went from there.

That's awesome because you shared a crazy statistic with me. 78 % of NFL athletes have financial trouble after they retire, right?

Yeah. Three to five years.

Holy crap.

So it's really intense. And so after living it and seeing it right there happen. And then now that we're done playing and seeing it happen, that's the mission, is we want to take that stat to zero.

I assume it's high in other league because you're dedicating such a large portion of your life to sports. You can't focus on investing in other business stuff. So as soon as you're done, you're like, what do I do, right?

Oh, yeah. Total identity crisis. It's crazy to see. I feel like every athlete has an identity crisis once they're done playing the sport at whatever level.

Yeah. Even if you're aware of it, I feel like it still happens, right? Oh, yeah.

Even being aware, you still have to navigate it because you're like, oh, shoot, this actually came, now what do I do? You thought about what you might do, but it's actually here.

And it's really hard to match that money, I think, outside of sports.

Oh, absolutely. Especially starting from zero. You're going into something that you've never done before. For because if you take an athlete and put them into the business world and you ask them what they're good at, it's hard for them to share. But if you take an athlete, put them on the field and tell them what they're good at, they'll tell you every single detail with exactness, what they're I'm good at. And so what happens is athletes, and I'm a big proponent. I'm always saying this because I'm always trying to help athletes out. You're always transitioning as an athlete. The moment you start, your time as an athlete is timestamped. There will be a time when you don't play and you hang it up. And so the goal is now, I feel like the new age athlete, and you see this in the NBA, especially, they do a great job. I feel like the NFL is headed there right now. I'm always transitioning So with the time that I do have, can I get in the right rooms? Can I talk to the right people? Can I ask the right questions? And so trying to help athletes just build curiosity and a desire to do that outside of what they're doing in the offseason, I feel like it's key.

It's vital, especially with NIL now, high school athletes and college athletes campaign.

Yeah. I think NFL is doing better. I actually had an NFL agent invite me to one of their dinners with other players and give the players podcasting advice.

Oh, that's sweet.

Yeah, because a lot of-We need you for that.

Yeah, I got you for real. Well, a lot of athletes are starting podcasts now. It's a smooth transition because they're so good at talking about the sport. Exactly. I watch Draymon Green's podcast. I watch Travis Kelcey's because they're just so knowledgeable. You can't get that information from some random commentator. Oh, yeah.

And learn to use that skill outside of the sports they're in. That's huge in the transitioning you were talking about. What skill sets from this transition to something else outside of it?

Absolutely. That's the thing. Athletes, there's a lot of things that you learn as far as character, discipline, effort, showing up every day. All these things can help you transition into the business world. But once again, when you leave your sport, it's just like you're a freshman all over again. You're a rookie all over again. And you have to be open to learn. 100 %. Even from younger people who have been doing it longer than you. Having the humility to say, I don't know, but I'm here to learn and be coached.

Coach me up. Yeah. I attribute a lot of my success in business to sports. I never got to your guys level, but being a distance runner, you got to lock in mentally.

How far are you running?

Five Ks was my race. In track, I did the mile in the 800. Oh, sweet. Yeah. But those races are hard, man.

You're moving fast the whole time for a distance. Like, That's easy.

They say, it's a little controversial, but they say the 800 meters is the hardest race because you're sprinting the whole time. Exactly. Oh. Yeah. Two laps, full on sprint.

Can I ask, where was it usually the point for you where your body wants to shut and it's all mentality for you?

It's the last 100, usually. I actually tore my glute in the last 50 of one of them, and I was going to make the state finals if I finished. I was in second place, and I tore it and I didn't make it. Oh, my gosh. It's like mental trauma from that. Oh, absolutely. I was in a wheelchair for a week. No way. Yeah. You're glued, man.

You're in such a full state, too. To have that just.

Yeah. You guys probably dealt with some nasty injuries, too, playing football. That's inevitable.

There's some bad ones. But first, I'm going to talk about Corbin's, because people still talk about Corbin injuries this senior year. So BIO's rival is Utah. And the week before, it's Corbin. He already had a torn tendon in his pinkie.

Jeez.

Your tricep was already torn. Yeah. And then he tore a bunch of ligaments in his ankle.

Holy crap.

And he still played in the game. What? And played at a high level. But that's football. Every single week, a football game is on TV and anyone is watching. Everyone's flying hurt. Wow. Everyone's flying hurt. Everyone's battling something. Having those three injuries, I remember watching them and I'm like, How's he doing this right now? He's making plays out there still. Holy crap. With all of this.

I went down. I didn't make it to the end of the game.

Hey, you went out there and put it on the line. But we tried.

That's impressive, man. So your mental resilience is just next level.

I feel like you know how it is. As an athlete, you just keep going.

Adrenaline.

It's almost like this feeling of completionism. Or it's like, okay, until I feel like I literally can't play, they'll just keep going to that point.

Yeah, you don't let your teammates down, almost.

Oh, exactly. Yeah. It's a responsibility type of thing.

It's taught me how to work with people. Sports, I was playing basketball, soccer. So that's really valuable in business, that camaraderie.

Being a great teammate? Yeah. Because, man, when you go to work every day, in football, you You see your teammates more than you see your family during the season. You're with them all the time. And so it's like, if I can be a good teammate, I can pretty much do anything. I believe that because you're handling adversity personally, but you have teammates who are handling You have diversity. You have from this individual level to an even bigger level, it all starts with you being a good teammate. And so I felt like we were fortunate to be around incredible examples of that because in sports, it's what's If somebody else passed down, that's what creates the culture. And so the leaders in the locker room, those are the people that are defining what a good teammate is. So being able to have that, we were lucky.

Yeah. And all the best teams of great leaders, right? They're They're great leaders. I mean, look at the Chiefs right now. It's going to be hard to beat them. Who you guys got, actually. I know your dad was part of the Eagles, right?

Yeah. Who do you have?

It's tough.

It's tough because we really like Andy Reid, the NYU guy. So Yeah, we really like him.

We got some buddies on the Eagles, though. We have a lot of buddies on the Eagles.

I got the Chiefs, man. Yeah.

What's the score? What's the score you're seeing?

You guys would know that better than me. I haven't been watching this season, but they seem to always just squeeze it out. So I feel like it'll be a close game and they'll win last possession or something.

Yeah. See, I feel like it's going to be really close, and I want the Eagles, but I think the chiefs are going to win. That makes sense.

Their experience. Saying what's on our mind. It's one of those things you're just like, Gosh, dang it.

Yeah.

I mean, their experience is-I want the Eagles win, but I know in the back of my mind, there's a three-peat sign that says three feet.

Yeah, the three feet would be awesome.

I saw Grohn talking about is Mahomes or braided the Goat. Yeah. He was saying if he gets this three feet, He's the goat of the decade, but then he has to do it again.

Oh, I can see that.

Because Brady's got seven.

Yeah.

So if Mahomes gets this one, that's four, right, for him? Or is it three? Three or four? Yeah. Oh, it might be four.

It might be four because wasn't there one earlier?

There might have been one earlier. Yeah. Yeah.

Because this is his seventh year.

Yeah. That's crazy.

That is nuts.

He'll have to do it. Yeah. He'll have to do it twice in his eyes to pass braided. Wow.

Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that.

I want to talk about the fun side because I met one of you at Jetson Capital, right? So you guys are in the fun space now. Yeah. How do you get involved with that?

You know what? I mean, it's part of the whole, I guess, trajectory when you get into that world, you start to understand different ways to invest, and you learn about the fund structure. And so for me, I just wanted to find good people and invest in the things that I learned as time went on. It's like, I don't mind the boring stuff. That's where the money is. That's where all the people that have created extreme wealth, they've all invested And I'm interested in that type of stuff. And so started in real estate, gas stations, and multifamily. And then it's just expanded from there. And it's interesting because Corbin and I both graduated in statistics and analytics And we both love numbers. And what happened was for me, as I was getting into the investment world, I turned into this guy that people were just sending deals to all the time. So a lot of the players were sending me stuff.

I was looking at it. Because they were getting pitch deals.

They're getting pitched. And And NFL players, NBA players, they get pitch all the time. I bet. And they get tons of deal flow. And so it was nice to be able to just send things, send it over. And then I could look at it and take it. Because I was very active in the business space, going into those types of events all the time. And so I thought I got a really good network to send things out, get some feedback from high level experts, bring it back and then go back. And so that's how I got involved in the fun space was, okay, wow, there's a lot of fun It's out there. How do I know which one to invest in? What questions do I ask? So it's been fun training athletes. Okay, when you get a deal or if it's a fund, this is what you're looking for. It's what my role is with different sports groups I'm a part of. I'm part of a pro-athlet community, pack. And so we got over 400 members, and I'm in charge of overseeing deal flow. So it's fun to be able to look at all the deals that athletes get because it's unique.

I'm not going to lie. It's really unique.

You guys are getting a lot of pickleball deals a bit.

It's sports ownership, sports league. It's hot right now. There's a lot of sports league deals going on, direct syndications.

I wonder how those are going to pan out because obviously, it worked out for the major sports, but these are up and coming sports, so it's like a gamble, right? Exactly. That's true. Like Padel is blowing up right now. Yeah. Pickleball. Exactly. A couple of other sports.

Like the slapping thing.

Oh, power slap. You got to pitch that one? That's dope. That's funny. I've been to those.

Oh, I've only seen videos. It actually looks awesome.

Would you ever do it?

I would love to try it. I don't lie.

Wow. Okay. Most people say no to that. You're going to do it?

I can call them right now. Sign you up.

You'll get 10 grand if you win.

Five grand if you lose. Yeah. Oh, man.

I would need a little more than that if I were to do it. 10,000?

I would just say, if they just put us out there, we do it for free against each other. We just sit there.

We did that with the tortilla on TikTok. We did each time with the tortilla.

Did you guys scrap a lot when you were younger?

Oh, yeah.

Brotherly love?

Oh, yeah. It's whoever gets the other to cry first, and then you lock yourself in the bathroom before they get too crazy.

We broke a lot of couches, glass doors. Damn. You guys went in those. But just not even... I don't even feel like it was out of like, I'm going to bust this thing down. It was like running away and teasing. Someone runs to a door.

It just happened to be glad.

See where I throw in the one each other.

Mom, I swear we closed the window and it broke. I would love to see that, man. Now people just bully each other on social media.

Everyone just hides home.

They don't scrap anymore.

No fair fights anymore.

Yeah, you can't settle with hands anymore. You got to settle on the keyboard.

That is true. And then you get blown up on social media. Everyone's like, oh, look at this thread. People just sit there and read down.

You guys were in the locker rooms. Did the players ever talk about the haters and trolls on social media?

It's pretty fun. Sometimes they would. You just hear random stories.

Make jokes about it.

People just make jokes. Or you just joke on one of the other guys, I saw your girl posted this about you. I saw you're into this. I feel like some players it gets to them.

Oh, for sure. Some people will be responding. Kevin Durant's out here making fake Twitter while I was responding. I'm like, what are you doing, man?

Yeah, man.

You guys see that trade last night? I did see that. Holy crap. That's the biggest trade I've ever seen.

Yeah.

Oh, man. Who do you think won that trade? Lakers or Mavericks?

I think the Laker. I think having Luka is impressive.

I think the Lakers won. If AD is healthy, though, they might win this year. Yeah. With Clay, Kyrie, AD, PJ. That's true. Pj.

I can see how they maybe thought about that, but I'm a big Luka fan. Yeah, we love Luka.

In the long run, I think the Lakers will win because Luka is only 25.

I forget that. If he's only 25, what?

And it's basketball, man. Yeah, I can play forever.

The average lifespan of a football player is, I think 2. 6 years.

Which is crazy. And it's only getting lower, I heard. It's only getting lower.

Yeah, because it's more competitive and guys are coming out even freakier, faster, stronger. So the game just becomes that much more violent. So they're trying to...

He's just always looking for a replacement for you.

And there's way more people that can replace you in football.

Yeah. You see that with runningbacks, right?

The runningback market.

It's crazy. It's crazy. They did Saquon Dirty, man. The Giants. I'm a Giants fan. I grew up in Jersey. Oh, yeah. That was the dumbest move I've ever seen, getting rid of him.

It's so sad. He's killing it. I'm happy he's doing so well.

I'm happy for him, but at the same time, it's like, that could have been the Giants. Yeah, with the running back.

I always felt running backs really got the short end of the stick for that.

That's true.

Who's your guys team these days? Do you cheer for any? You got friends on every team, so it's tough.

I feel like we do cheer for a lot of players.

Some of them are players.

But some of the teams, yeah. Some of the teams we played for, we always cheer for them. Growing up, because we grew up here in Utah, for me, my team was the Broncos.

Broncos? Because it's the closest team. Oh, wow.

Denver. Yeah. So Denver. I grew up watching Denver, cheering for Denver.

Payton Manning, right?

Yeah, Payton, all those guys over there. And I had an Ed McAfee jersey. And then now, I mean, the Eagles, too, just as our dad played there. But I pretty much watched. Yeah, Green Bay, played there. The Jets.

Rough season for the Jets. I know.

Come on.

A lot of rough seasons.

I love Aaron, too. I love Aaron. Aaron's the man.

I had faith in him, but it was a rough season for sure.

I know. I'm like, Come on. He can But everyone's going to do it. It's going to be him because he's a great leader.

Father time, though, right? That's true. What is he? He's pushing 40 now, right?

Yeah, I think he's 39.

Damn.

Or is he 40? I don't know.

Not a lot of people make it to 40 in professional sports.

And then I just think of football. I'm just like, oh.

That's probably the hardest one to make it to 40. Football on track. Yeah.

I see any guy in the NFL that's a 10-year vet. It's just crazy in my mind. It's hard to fathom that physical prowess.

They've seen some stuff, right? Did you guys have some vet mentors when you got in?

Yeah, for sure.

We got really good ones, too. He went to the Saints.

Oh, nice. Was that with Drew Brees?

Yeah. It was like his last year. And I remember he was the first person I met in the locker. Oh, wow. My brother was always like, Hey, be the first one there. You got to set the tone, especially you undrafted guys. I was like, okay. Facts.

That's good advice.

I got there at 4: 30, and there was only one dude in there, and all the lights were off. But he was in the hot tub reading his Bible, and it was Drew Brees. Wow. At first, I didn't think it was a player because it was such a small dude. I thought it was like, Oh, is this one of the janitors getting to the hot tub? I was like, Oh, that's Drew Brees. I was like, Holy cow.

What was your opening line to him?

I didn't say anything to him. I just was like, I'm going to play it cool and just sit here in the corner. I'm the rookie. But then literally in the shower, he's like, Hey, don't you have a brother that plays up in Baltimore? I was like, Yeah, I do, actually. It was really neat, though, where I was like, I'm this unknown, undrafted I didn't even stay there for a season. I got off to the Jets. But for him to make that comment to me, I was like, wow, what a great man. That's cool. He'd regularly come sit with us, Rookies, at breakfast if we weren't sitting with anyone.

Wow. I feel like that's pretty rare. Oh, super rare. Kobe Brian would not do that.

I really was hats off with him. And then even Cam Jordan. I don't know if you knew. I don't know him. He was a defensive end over there.

But he was awesome.

The first time I went to a locker room, he's sitting there playing Super Smash with some of the guys on the team, and he's like, Hey, man, do you We need a fourth. And I was like, Sure. And just from then on, it was just so nice.

He didn't know Corbin takes three people on at once.

Oh, you're nice. He's nice.

I was like, This is my time to shop.

He's over here. It's me. Now, it's like me, my wife plays Smash 2 and our other brother. And it's us three versus him. Damn.

He's that good? He's still winning. Who's your main?

I'm weird. If I want to secure the victory, it's Nes.

Because I play 64. Yeah, he's OP on 64. Exactly.

But then I actually I love using Link because I'm just a Zeldanerd.

Link is fun.

And his boomerang is the most annoying thing, but I get people with it.

I literally watch the Smash like, finals, esports on YouTube every year. I'm into that shit. I love esports. I love that, too. You guys still game at all or no?

I don't game as much. We used to game so much. And Corbin, actually, in the NFL, they do an event where you play Fortnite during the season, and then they take the top 10 players, and you get drafted by professional gamers to play during the Super Bowl and a Fortnite Super Bowl. No way. That's dope. Corbin got drafted by Ninja and played with Ninja.

What? That's dumb. Yeah. That's dumb, man. Did you guys win?

We took like 10th or something. I was like, I'm the pack horse, man. I don't know how to tunnel well.

Was it when it was build mode?

Yeah, they were still building. Those guys are sweating. I streamed for a little bit, but I never got to that level of building.

I don't play building. Let's get I'm not streaming again. Come on.

Dude, these streamers are making crazy money.

Oh, my gosh.

That's a world that when someone started to tell me a few of the numbers, I still don't know much about it. It was just mind-blowing. Streaming numbers, Twitch.

Streamers, you could argue, are more popular than A-list celebrities right now.

Oh, absolutely. 100 %.

The monthly for them is crazy.

The pool is so much bigger because it's viewership.

It's huge. They're getting hundreds of millions of views.

Yeah, and that's money.

Monthly, too. Attention. That's a lot of attention. And they're getting it for a prolonged That's where I think they separate themselves because they're streaming eight hours a day. Yeah, exactly.

People are watching the whole time.

The whole time. And then you got the clipping side, which I'm good at with the podcast. And that's another 100 million views after they're done streaming.

Exactly. Yeah. From one stream, you can get probably so many clips that will just boom, go on.

So many. Yeah. I mean, Aiden Ross interviewed Trump, like a streamer interviewed the sitting President. That's how big streamers are these days.

I love it, dude. It's taking over. It's the number one sport, right?

It's hard viewership. I think so, yeah. Even last night at WW, Kai Sonat, or I show speed. I mean, was there, and Logan Paul and stuff. So it's a new era, man. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Social media probably wasn't big when you guys were in the lead, but now it's like you can make a living off it.

It was just getting ramped. No one really did it. Now, you see, it was the opposite.

It was more we didn't do social media because the little that was out, you were afraid of doing something wrong because you might get canceled or get something from the team because it was just such an unknown area. We're being fun of. Yeah. Tiktok dance.

Why does this dude dance? Now, guys are dancing all the time.

Wow, everyone's into it. And so it's a totally...

Filming a workout? No one ever filmed a workout. Ever. And then all of a sudden, cameras, their content teams are there filming workouts. But then you start to realize the business, and an athlete is in a unique position because you get drafted, and all of a sudden, either you're the best or you're an authoritative figure to get the most attention. And now you have both overnight, and you already have a pool of people that are all eyes on you like that. I feel like athletes make incredible streamers, influencers, podcasters, because, man, everything's already set up there for them. You just have to connect the bridges and then let it flow.

A hundred %. Definitely agree with that. What's your guys' opinion on the NIL stuff?

Love it.

You love it? I love it. Now, what I love about it is players are getting a piece of all of that money, that big pie that's been going on for years. Because the schools make a ton of money. The NCA makes a ton of money. I'm a big, big fan of it. But what got me into all this business stuff, investment stuff, is because of NIO. Because the only way I saw we could flip that stat to zero was a dad calls me up, Hey, my son just signed for a million dollars. He's 16. And And this is just a brand deal. What do we do? Well, in my mind, I was like, oh, this is the opportunity to go and sit down with the athlete, mom, dad, brother, sister, everyone. And now we're going to do some financial literacy and talk about the different structures of how to get paid through an LLC, and that's what taxes. Athletes don't really think about taxes all the time. It's our biggest expense. And we're W2.

So you can't even write off stuff. Yeah.

Well, there's ways, but you have to really have a It's a great tax strategy, and it takes planning, and you have to be able to understand it. And so that takes time. And so what we're trying to do is always help athletes understand the whole picture off the field, because for a long time, it was just I get drafted, I sign my name, I get wired the money, literally, instantly. And now, what do I do with that? Okay, someone said, I need a CPA, I need a tax advisor, strategist. I need an What do you call it? Just like a money manager. I need... I mean, I don't know how to buy a house. I don't know how to buy a car. It's all these little things. But now, what we do is we try to help them do all of this at once, so then they don't have to... So everything's in one arena. Everyone's talking to each other right here, and you can just step in there and get an update from everyone at once. And now you can get taken care of the right way.

It's smart that you guys did this because the players trust you guys. You saw the horror stories with Paul Pierce's manager. I I got the name of that guy, but he stole all the money like Kevin Garnett's manager. It happens a lot. It probably happens to you guys, right? To take advantage of athletes.

Oh, for sure. And it's one of those things we've definitely been burnt in our business wondering. But that really is the thing is the key is trustworthy people. And it's one of those things where if you find it, you go back to the locker room and you want to share it because you know everyone needs it. So I was like, Oh, bro, I met this guy. That's incredible.

I put money in.

That's how it went well. This is what happened. And so, yeah, that's why I love it because you have something good to give back to these guys. This is actually really going to help you.

If you can make people money, word will spread fast. Exactly. It's the fastest.

We're not even the guys that are the managers, but we know people. You connect the dots. We can find the greatest teammate in real estate. We have the greatest teammate in this, this, this, this, in taxes, and this, and that. So when guys go through huge taxable events, because to an athlete, an exit is getting drafted, getting a signing bonus or getting that second contract. That's selling the company. And so it's like, when that happens, are you prepared? Am I going to be paying 40 % back? Or can I strategize how to reinvest that 40 % and let it grow and work really hard for me. If every athlete could understand how to make every dollar work as hard as they work, oh, my gosh, every athlete would be in a phenomenal position, and that 78 % would be zero. Absolutely. So quick.

I saw what Ohtani did with Calleigh. Oh, I love that. That was brilliant. I've never seen an athlete do something like that.

Yeah. The thing about it, his team was prepared. He was prepared. I posted that on my LinkedIn, and literally everyone's talking about it because it's like, wow, athletes are moving different. They're really moving different in taxes, and tech venture, and real estate, and creating their own family offices. It's a different athletes are moving different. And so that's what we try to do, is just educate the athlete so everyone can move like that.

No, they are. I mean, look at KD with 35 Ventures. You got Serena Williams with her, Steph with 776, right? Steph. I think some of these athletes will make more off their funds and their actual career.

Oh, I totally believe it.

We've seen that even with Aaron Rodgers and Rx3. It's a CPG fund. But there's this big movement right now, and it's really big. I mean, it's already happened, but not at this level. Right now, it's moving like a well-earned machine where the athletes are getting involved in these funds, and they're not just putting money in. They're putting in their NIL. And if they're a professional athlete and they put their NIL in, well, guess what? You can help the firm or the fund or the things they're investing in the companies, the products, you can move it differently. And so that's what's really cool about what's going on right now is these athletes are not just investing. They're investing their name, image, and likeness, which is their most viable thing.

Absolutely. Well, guys, it's been a blast. Where did people find you? Find your podcast and keep up with you guys.

Yeah. Instagram, I'm bcafuzzi90, and LinkedIn, Bronson Capuzzi. I'm super active on those two.

Yeah, I'm on Instagram, Corbin Jorge, and then Corbin Capuzzi on Instagram.

Boom. We'll link it all below. Thanks for coming on, guys. Yeah, I appreciate it. Check them out, guys, and I'll see you next time.