This is the sixth and final episode of the Nobody's On, you need to have heard the first five episodes before you get this one.

Nudity and murder, are you a spy? No, but just drink ready for the permanent. La, la, la, less likely to. At the end of the last episode, after following Kieran Kelly's life all the way from 1953 until he was put in prison for life in 1984, we left you with a story about finding bones in a garden. Back in 1993, what appeared to be a decomposed skeleton garden belong to a house where Kieran Patrick Kelly had once lived, the house in which he was born.

That house is in the small town of Rathdowney in County Leisz in the midlands of Ireland. It was during the early stages of Robert Milburn's research into the Kieran Kelly story that he first paid a visit to Rathdowney. This was back in the summer of 2016. Rob arrived in Rathdowney with an appointment to meet up with a local historian, Michael Quray, but he had a little time to kill before Michael was due to arrive and pick him up. So he decided to take a look around town.

It's really quiet, old houses and all square in the town with only a couple of people really walking around. Rathdowney is a small, quiet provincial town. So a major news story. The whole London Underground serial killer story, which hit the headlines in 2015 in which Jeff Platt said that Kieran Kelly had come from hear a story like that didn't go unnoticed. How are you doing? I'm down here today and I'm recording and a documentary about this chap.

Rob tries his luck with the first person he runs into on the street or to London to go see him.

Yeah, who knows about that now, which is an article I read in the paper, Darvocet Serial Killer. Yeah, because he's from here. Yeah, that's right here. And Patrick Kelly. Yes, right here. Right is I went to London and is accused of committing murder. Right. Would you did you get a shock when you read about it in the paper. Yeah, but then somebody said it is Danniella. Yeah. I don't know.

The straight away the story means something. Kelly's name means something to him, but it's kind of vague. But he knows it's important and he's thinking hard about who might know something. And he points at a pub at the bottom of the square place called O'Malley's.

I'd say if you go into a managed area and it might be a political party, you know, you bring me and Rob Mulheron from our team, OK, it's a summer's day.

The door is wedged open and he brings me down. But when we get down to the door, he says, listen, you stand there and wait till I go down and speak to the owner. You kind of over here. And the guy says, because the reporter here, he wants to speak about Kieran Kelly. Yeah.

Small town says anyone who's ever lived in one can tell you have a way of keeping and spreading stories that bigger towns and cities just can't compete with. Luckily, Rathdowney is a very friendly place by nature. After a couple of minutes to chat and he calls me down, it was a night away stories.

We got story. How would it have been a topic of conversation, do you really think, with the serial killer? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was I talked about lowering the bar for weeks and speaking to the lads were related to his actual family. And people remember sleeping soldiers in a place where they lived and the royal stories all happened over there. And he got sort of the change in history. But making normal.

After a good conversation at O'Malley's Pub, it's time for Robert to meet local historian Michael Kray.

Michael, how are you doing? So we get into Michael Crowe's car and we have a bit of chit chat about the Kelly story. And straightaway he tells me I'm going to bring out the Bali Boogie Road to Michael Nechama to Nicky Marino first.

Nicky Meyer lives in a house built on the property where Kelly was born. Kelly was born in that house on March the sixteenth, 1930.

The house is just out of town on the Bally Buggie Road, just as they're on their way. Michael Cray recalls another man living nearby who might also have something useful to say about Kelly to the guy that just lives on a terrace cottage house in the corner called Maquila.

And he says, I reckon marks of a certain age that he he probably knows something about Kelly. He might have even known them if he says, let's pull in here and we'll call in to Mark, there is a warning.

There's a free if you're sorry for walking, only doing this man's name is Robert.

My agent, Robert. Robbie. Mark, continue with the blue tape. That's all right.

I've got Mark Wieland. Did know Kieran Kelly. He knew the whole Kelly family way back in the 1930s.

I knew his father, Lachlan Kelly was his name was his father, was his father's name. Denisof, where he might loose in this house and had a sister.

And I knew the whole family.

Yeah. What age would you have been then, Mark? When Kelly when the Kellys were here and you knew Kieran and you were around that time probably, what, nine, ten or eleven?

I'm not sure. I mean, she's nine now, so I can't remember how many years ago what I used to play around to play with the children, you know. The streets in the last episode, we had a good look at a lot of old records, including many relating to the Kelly family, Kelly's father had been a policeman in Dublin when he married Kelly's mother back in 1924. But by the time their first child, Kieran, was born, his father is noted as an insurance agent on Kieran's birth certificate.

But by the time their last child is born in 1934, they had three altogether. Kelly's father's occupation is given as a labourer. So Kelly's father's career seems to have headed down rather than up over the years.

And the Kellys were by no means well-off maquila. And the Kelly children had played together. And he does remember that Kelly's sister had some unusual games she liked to play back then.

I always remember it was in the springtime and regarded she was a tearaway. She used to go to the Bird's Nest and killed Kennedy because she had the courage of her life.

So yeah, I thought she was very cruel at the time.

That's true. That was one of the games on the game.

Yes, children can be cruel. And Kelly's sister would like to take baby birds from their nests and kill them with a penknife.

Do you remember what do you remember what became of the parents?

Mark and Kelly disappeared suddenly off the scene and gone to Dublin somewhere after what it was Dublin or not. But I was at Roubaud.

I was going around and the rumors were true. We know that the Kellys left Rathdowney in 1937. People said they left suddenly and nobody knew the reason why. We know that they moved to Dublin and never came back.

And that's just great. That's another bit of the jigsaw. And it's only good to know it is.

It is my chair back now over the next stop for Rob and Michael Kray is Nicky Mouse House. Nicky Mouse stood in the garden when we arrived there. I'm Nicky. Just before we go down to the house, can you just describe the scene of this area here now? Because this is obviously where Kelly would have grown up. So just to get a sense now of of what what we're looking at here on I lived here.

The only houses were here. It was that one there. And often there was no houses over there. And the nearest house was then was the farmhouse up there. That was when I was in that house outside toilets, no running water, the bathroom right in front of the fire victim Battenfeld.

And everyone watched that when Kieran Kelly's family left Rathdowney back in 1937.

Nicky, my father bought the house.

Nicky was just three years old when he moved into the Kelly house in 1938.

Well, this is the part of his garage. This was one field, that house there, just my son's house. I built this one and then I built the home from his son. That was an old house there. That's where Kelly lives, the famous Kelly. Yes, I mean, Nikki built the house he lives in now, back in 1984, I was building this. I was 19 years before Nikki can talk and he's a good memory.

And he goes on telling stories about how a neighbor his across the road, a guy by the name of Nadkarni named Sister Daisy, lived in England. And of course, Daisy bumped into Caylee at one point in her life.

And all of a sudden we come over to says his sister, Daisy, you know, when he was younger because they were neighbors.

Mickey Mouse too young to remember Kelly, but his neighbor Ned does remember the family.

And that sister Daisy met Kelly in London.

And she she went to she emigrated in about the early 50s, early, late forties. Yeah. For the eight or nine years later, she went off to England and she met Germany in London.

And she knew him there as his friends that he had there. And apparently he just got into trouble. Gulbahar and he was the cops knew him fairly well for drunkenness and still and all that kind of thing. Or is it is he used to write to us and tell us about Kelly, and she was at home every summer and she us that all the stories about Kelly first. And that's what any of us saw.

Kelly Kelly was first brought to your attention by David. You know, across the road days, you write all night about unknowingness. I never heard you. Did you hear about it before?

I'd never heard of her until I saw it in the press and media people saying I've said before that when Kieran Kelly was sent to prison in 1984, it went completely unnoticed.

Well, we found that that's not strictly true. We've dug up one news article that mentions his conviction. It made page eleven of the Evening Herald in 1994. The headline reads, Irish Trump Gets Double Life sentence under the headline, it says, Kieran Kelly, an Irish born tramp, received his second life sentence for the killing of William Boyd in a cell at London police station.

A little further down, there's a quote from the judge that says, this conviction confirms that and the view of the consultant psychiatrist that you are incorrigible in penal terms and incurable in medical terms. At the bottom of this short article, which is only two short columns, it goes on to say what the jury was not told was that Kelly had, quote, confessed close quotes to a string of killings going back to 1953. But because of Kelly's hazy memory and the difficulty of producing evidence, no charges were brought.

The story just wasn't all that newsworthy in 1984, page 11, to put it in some perspective.

The story is underneath another article about a young woman who married her fortune teller. Theresa's romance shone in the star's. That article has a bigger headline and a picture there's no picture on the Kelly article and there's no mention of Rathdowney either. But still, the story did filter through to Nikki Marr.

So what year would this have been?

And that came across three years before. It's actually four or five because I was building here. It was built in my spare time and I probably started in 93 and I finished as we get up to about an hour and a half of recording.

And I think we've gotten through everything. And and he paused for a minute and he said that I tell you about the bones in the garden. And I said, no, you didn't tell me about the bombings in the garden, the next time I thought about him was in 1993 when we're building this house next door. So, yeah, and we were going to change for water and we found bones, the hedge right there, pulling out these different bones.

And then they find what they say is looks like the remains of a skull.

And there was a few bones in there with a man. The we looked at was the hit the skull and that was left of the school and the neck and the noose around.

You know, that's what we thought say it's like the remains of a skull, like part of a skull with a wire noose around the neck pull wire to describe to death, which is like a kind of thick wire.

So as saw the bones and this a neck with a noose around it, wire noose around it.

You know, in a school, you know, an unexplained set of possibly human remains. In the childhood garden of a man who'd become a serial killer, Nikki Meyer thought it was a good idea to call the police and the police came to have a look. The guy has told me it was done here by the doctor and required whoever, you know. So we stood back. But I stood near enough to what they were talking about, just as but they said we better pick him up and take him with his friends, you know, this kind of thing.

So enormous as the research labs. That's only a dozen cases, which is, as I said, it's a small donkey, a donkey. You got about six foot four.

This is only a small thing, four foot whatever.

And the bones were all down, you know, so they took understanding about the killer, lived next door like the story about him, and they had never heard of it either.

And there was that the other usher, whoever did this anyhow, if he did himself long before know before they do anything with the bones, they call the local doctor and ask him to drop by to have a look and a doctor him no doctor said he said he thought there were human remains. Right.

And do you reckon it was an animal that you. I don't think so.

I honestly do. I think something unique about me as well. I mean, it was only a small neck and the head of a fairly, well, rotten race, you know, but still, that would be a noose around a noose.

And I'm sure no doubt he would have been shot down over like a fox or something because he this there would be strangled her to strangle. This is a heavy, heavy, heavy piece of wire. Like Moloi, like anything, you know, what was it, a human skull?

Well, I thought it was that the doctor thought it was, but the guys weren't really interested.

As simple as that. No. And afterwards, that's the last we heard.

Mickey Mouse remembers the day very well. He says that the police, the guards came and took the bones away. He also says there was a doctor present at the time who also identified the bones as human. Luckily, Rathdowney being a small town means that the doctor lives just a few minutes away, so Rob Michael Kray and Niki Maher meet up with him outside the house.

His name is Nigel O'Doherty.

What was your recollection of it, Nigel? Well, my recollection is vague at the moment, but certainly a lot of people would have double bones from time to time. And any time I ever went to war and, you know, it never came to anything but to me. I wasn't going to just pass it off. And, you know, you never know when when one of them could be.

January 1993 is a long time ago now. And I looked at his recollection is a little bit vague. But he does remember the event is maybe just not quite as convinced as Nicky Marr that the bones were definitely human. He's more inclined to say they were potentially human, and that's what he said to the police at the time.

But I mean, I wasn't prepared to commit myself to saying it's not human. Let the legal bodies work that out anyway. Great to meet you, Robert. After the police took away the bones, no one ever heard back from them again, Nicky forgot about it until 2015 when the story came back up, but he didn't really have anyone to tell about it until Rob came by. Once memories have been jogged. Another curious detail pops up. Nikki Meyer has a sister called Agnes and she worked in the local shop.

He remembers her telling him that she once got chatting to a woman who was visiting the town.

I've just had no idea it was a woman call to the shops here. My sister was walking in there and said, Sorry if I'm right down here next Sunday and this is I leave them right down to the house. So just inside the gate. And I said, You're alone, Kelly.

Yes, she lived in that house. That's just Gibralter motorbike every year. Look at the house.

So it was possibly Kieran Kelly's sister. I assumed it was his sister. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.

I mean, she said her mother came to look at the house. Her mother must be Kieran Kelly's mother, which is her mother, came here every year.

And Agnes said to Richard, not call in, nor should never call in sick. And I looked at it, turned the car.

We went away. Yeah, it's certainly an odd picture. Kelly's mother and sister sitting in a car parked outside the old house. I don't know exactly what we're trying to prove here, and we should probably be careful about getting carried away. But it's certainly a mystery.

The discovery of potentially human bones on the property where the Kelly family had lived may be a small skeleton with a wire noose around the neck. We heard about Kelly's sister enjoying being cruel to birds, and, of course, Kelly, her older brother, grew up to be a serial killer. We know that the family left town suddenly in 1937, and we know that Kelly's mother and sister come back and sit outside the house but never want to come inside.

Mickey Mouse says that this happened many times over many years. Was that that was strange, though.

The mother coming back and looking at the house and not going away again for years, you know, so I don't know today someone visiting the grave.

So so in 2016, after talking to Mouse Robin, the team contacted the Irish police to see if they had any records of what had happened to the bones once they'd been removed to see if there was a police report or if any conclusions had been drawn from the analysis.

It would take a great many phone calls and emails before the police finally got back. Actually, we wouldn't get a definitive answer until 2020. So in the meantime, we decided it would be a good idea to investigate for ourselves.

Late in 2019, Rob returned to Rathdowney with a professional surveyor. His name is Bryce Lecomte. He's a senior geophysicist who specializes in ground penetrating radar. A ground scanner if there's something to be found underneath the surface. He's the man to find it.

He searches for disturbed soil.

Essentially, you can find a place where someone has dug or buried something before, even if it was hundreds of years ago. As the service about to begin, this Mickey Mouse is there to keep an eye on proceedings. OK, yeah, and that was the main road. So does the French guy brace?

He is the ground scanner. I meet him down, right down. He just starts scanning Nikki Myers garden.

And it wasn't that deep down. Make sure it wasn't. It was about probably when he hit the buildings about three feet down was something like that. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't really deep. No, it wasn't like an ordinary grave like what was.

So we're half an hour into the scan with Bryce annexing this piece of equipment that he had. It's over the area that Nikki Meyer says he found the bones and he starts talking about something that he hadn't mentioned the first time around and there was no plastic or clothing or once you once you lose you.

Yeah. All right. So that changed quite a lot. Actually, I never knew there was a shoe there.

No, no, no, no, no.

We never saw that. Put the donkey hypothesis. No donkey. Never seen. No, no, no, no, no. I did not. I find it. You put that. You know what makes that interesting? Because I would have thought near it since that might have been like if this was an all right or it could have been an ancient body from Valentines or ancient times or sunsets we lost.

I wonder what those guys do with the shoe as well as the bones, you know? So yeah. Yeah, I was like with the shoe kind of badly decomposed. Have kind of rubber. Yeah. We just talked about last night, you said it was this little shoe that was sort of well lost in the condition was a true ideal size of the shoe. Oh God no. No, I can't, I don't know. That wouldn't be it wasn't a very big shoe.

I know. Until we saw the shoe. We did say this is true. Is it was this one shoe? Yeah. I never knew that about the shoe. Oh, dear. Oh, no. It's amazing now. The survey showed a promising feature, a six foot long pit in the area where the bones were found. So the next step was to just dig it up.

But if this is the potential site of a crime and if these bones are human, you can't just dig it up yourself. You need to get the professionals in. So in February 2020, Rob returned to Rathdowney one last time. This time he brought a small team of archaeologists.

My name is Cherubini Tobin and I'm an artillery shell. Just that means I analyze human remains, specifically skeletal remains.

Bearing in mind that this is possibly a gravesite, it needs to be treated with proper respect.

It was a skull you found this was just a skull or the neck noose around the neck. And there was nothing to show. Not true.

Does it look like do you remember did it look like the the bones were kind of mixed up or just looked like they were kind of in places they would have been? Do you remember the bones together, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had bones, roll joints.

But are there any other animals that could present like that? Not the skull, not if it's the skull you're dealing with long bones. Absolutely. It's very easy for people to think that Long Bones looks like it could be human and invariably it's not. But a skull is it's very diagnostic, I suppose. You know, it's very identifiable. And it's you know, the image is everywhere, really. And so people just recognize it. So it is I mean, we don't have long snouts.

Our teeth don't, you know, protrude down over after removing the topsoil that gets underway. And it was just the two, Gardy, that came into they just picked them all up, put them in a bag and went on a plane fairly quickly. OK, I think you the. As I mentioned just now, we did get a reply from the Irish police, an official reply to our request for information. The statement was concise and firmly asserted that there exists absolutely no record of this event on file with them.

The same goes for the state pathologist office and the coroner. The statement says also that this is consistent with cases where nothing was found to be suspicious. For example, no records would be kept if the fines had turned out to be animal bones. The only existing connection to the event back then is an oral account given by one of the guards who was actually there on the day. He stated that the bones were sent for analysis, as was normal procedure, but no report ever came back and no further action was required at the time.

This means that whatever was taken away that day no longer exists in evidence and it would have been destroyed. But Meyer is still confident that he knows what he saw back then, small school and small neck in the newsroom where noose around the table close to me, it looked like and I can assure you, you know, that the police have that done is put the bones in the bags and after and never saw.

The only possibility to prove it is if there's something still to discover under the ground.

Yeah, that's essential, no. You definitely will it is looking that way, I mean, that's that's quite uniform there. Yeah. You know, so like the indicate the indications would be that that's from there on that undisturbed natural soil.

You know, after a long and chilly day digging, the archaeologists get down to the bottom, to the natural soil. It's another way of saying that we dug out the whole feature that the survey had found as close as we possibly could get to the spot where the police had removed bones back in 1993. And we found nothing there.

An anticlimax, of course, but then you could say this is a good metaphor for everything that's happened along the way during this story, everything that happens whenever we try to find proof and a simple truth to the Kelly case.

After all the hard work, sometimes we're just left looking at a pile of dirt and an empty hole in the ground where something used to be. Our whole story has been all about something that happened in a place we've called nobody's design, a place where people went to and never came back. Kieran Kelly may have been born here in Ireland, but he ended up homeless in London. And he was by no means the only one. He's also by no means the only man from Rathdowney who took the ferry to England.

Many of the men Rob has been talking to in Macedonia. He also worked in London at some point. Mickey Mouse I once worked there, Mark Wheelin, both of them actually worked on the London Underground. Nicky's neighbour Ned had worked in London. His sister Daisy had also gone away to England.

It's something that struck Rob while he was looking into that empty hole in his garden that day and write down when I was looking into the hole, I couldn't help think of Nicky Meyer. And Mark Wieland met his neighbour. The three year term worked in London. His sister Daisy. She worked in London and this small village. All these people left to get a step up in London. Like my own town, every house had somebody in London and we all knew the story of the Irish in London who fell between the cracks.

It's a story of people being vulnerable when they emigres not quite making it falling down and falling into a really dark place. We knew that bit. The bit that I never knew or never conceived or never even thought about was that there was another Irish person who left Ireland, like all of other people, to get on to, obviously, but went the opposite way and ended up in that dark space that that's been termed a nobody zone and was killing people, was killing his countrymen who left like him to get on.

Finding nothing in Rathdowney doesn't change anything about the fact that Kieran Kelly is still the most prolific serial killer in Irish history. If we believe Kelly's own confession, of course. The man who confessed to Ian Brown called Rob up after hearing the podcast go out, hearing Kieran Kelly's voice again on the tapes 37 years after he made them had brought the whole Kelly investigation flooding back to him. So Rob dropped by to hear of Ian. Had any final thoughts on the subject?

Hello. Erm how are you. Very well.

You still have the same car five years later. Yeah.

It's strange actually because. I hadn't thought about Kelly for years and years until that book came out. So I seem to do now is think about all the things that happened with Kelly and the police stations. It's it's crazy. What are you saying? That listen to the theories of have put Kelly on your on your mind again for the first time in years. Yeah. Well, not only this podcast, but everything that we've done on it. I mean, um, you know, from the time we met, um, it's been Kelly and as you say, that's five years and that's a big, big chunk.

Um, one last question is why why wasn't Kelly prosecuted for more of his crimes? Why did nobody seem to care? Why did he disappear so easily? Why didn't Kelly make the headlines?

Are you sorry you didn't go after, like, try and stand up some of the other ones that you felt were certainties in the case? Or would you have done anything different in relation to the investigation?

It's not my decision. I, you say, would have gone after the others? No, I've gone after them.

I presented so once once I put my papers in all the statements and everything else and charges that we could bring against Kelly or couldn't, it's no longer my decision. It becomes the decision of the authorities, of the solicitor in charge of the case has taken over the case and he says, right, we'll go with this witness and will lay the rest for the time being. It's no longer my decision. I mean, you've got to you've got to go back to the actual time.

I mean, we are we are sitting here today some thirty years later. Talking about crimes that were committed when there were no computers, everything was legwork, you know, we didn't have a car each. There was one suicide car for 15 detectives, no mobile phones. The police forces weren't joined up. You're not going to go national war on something like this.

And, you know, you asked me something else about why was it never in the papers? The whole media thing has changed. We didn't tout. Murders, we didn't go to the press and say, oh, we've got this, the local reporter came down once a week and said, Oh, Sarge, you got anything for me? That was the sum total of reporting in those days, and so it never got in the press. Thirty years later.

We're looking at the brain we have now, not the brain that was working all those years ago, and we're also trying to. Understand the workings of a madman, of somebody who's insane. By using same logic and it doesn't work. It will all, Kelly, will always be a mystery. We know a lot, but there's an awful lot we'll never, ever know. Since 2005. And the book that started a worldwide media story that brought Kieran Kelly's name into the light, there's been a lot of dust kicked up on a number of long forgotten and unsolved cases.

These are cases involving violent assaults on public transport, cases of suspicious and inexplicable deaths on the London Underground. Every time we've looked into any of these, we found nothing we could prove, no evidence at all if there ever was any evidence it had been lost decades ago. And the only man who might have been able to give the answers was Kieran Kelly himself.

When the archaeology team packed up in Rathdowney, they filled the hole back in, planted some grass seed over the top, so it'll blend back in with the rest of Nikki Myers garden, the old Kelly property, the place where Kieran Kelly was born and where he once played as a child on the edge of a small town in the midlands of Ireland. Kelly's life began there, but it ended in England. Kieran Kelly died in prison. He died in Frankland Prison in Durham at the age of 71 back in 2001.

Even on Kieran Kelly's death certificate, which is the only documentation left from the last 17 years of his life, which he spent in jail, even on that, there are errors, mistakes.

There's still mess and confusion. The death certificate says Kieran Kelly was born on March 17th, St. Patrick's Day in 1930, but he wasn't. He was born the day before that March 16th. And it says he was born in Dublin, but he wasn't. He was born in Rathdowney. You could say that Kieran Kelly lived to a ripe old age, 71. Officially, he was only ever found guilty of killing two people, even if he did confess, there is nothing official, nothing at all that says he was guilty of the murder of maybe a dozen other men, people that nobody missed, who nobody cared about.

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Just being wider. I don't want I don't need more of my baiocco, you know, and I go with you wanting to have another drink for a few days now. I don't give a fuck when you've had a drink. You don't give a damn what you do. Yeah. Are you people no, take my advice. Across the ocean, but 32. Because you can't live without food to live alone. Groups from the West and nobody saw. But the summer is fine, but food in the fridge.

The Beatles Guide for the Cherry Grasper. Never go home now because of this shame. Reflection in a shop window. I sent you a gift of nobody zone was written and narrated by Tim. Storyline of production is by Tim Henman and Christer Malson Original Idea, Research and recordings are by Robert Mulheron, Roland Kelly and Liam O'Brien with production assistance from Sarah Blake, Donal O'Hurley, Tim Desmond's, Nicole Greer and Michael Lawlis.

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