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Everyone, welcome into the fantasy pro football podcast. My name is Kyle Yates and I am your host. I've got the incredible Mike Treglia here with me today. And you can find and follow both of us on Twitter at Kyly NFL and Mike Treglia, NFL tag. How's it going, buddy?
It's going good. I was talking with you and our guest today before the show is that my wife and I found a you're cleaning out the basement. We found a Beanie Baby that apparently is worth like thousands of dollars in our basement. And I have zero clue what to do with it because I don't want to touch it anymore. I don't want to bend it. Apparently, the beads matter. I don't know what to do with it. So if anybody out there knows what to do with Beanie Babies, I don't know how to get this thing, like, appraised or whatever, because it's one of these types bare.
I don't know. I'm in a good mood, though.
It's obviously a good thing to find something like that in your house and might be the wrong audience to ask for advice. Probably Beanie Babies. But hey, go take your shot, man. Yeah, call your shot.
Well, we brought on one of my favorite people to talk to, and that's Justin Boone, the lead fantasy football analyst at the score. He's always one of the most accurate experts. And I'm excited to talk some football with him today. You can find him on Twitter at Justin Boone. Justin. Welcome back, man. Thanks for having me.
I got to say, though, when I first came on before the show started and tags opened up by asking how much I know about Beanie Babies really thrown for a loop. Yeah.
You thought that was going to be the topic for today? We're not talking about football. We're talking about Beanie Babies. Who knows everything about football? Why not everything about Beanie Babies? Yeah, that's the next landscape to take over for sure.
The next hurdle. The next hurdle. Yeah, completely. All right, guys. Tagg's, I want to make sure people know about a super useful tool before we get into the content of today's show. And that's our draft assistant. What exactly is the draft assistant and why should people use it?
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Guys, Alvin Kamara had missed several days of practice, which we did talk about on yesterday's podcast. But then it came out later that Kamara may actually end up being traded from the New Orleans Saints. The two sides are working hard to finalize a new deal, but they're apparently still pretty far apart. Tagg's, let's say that you have a draft tonight and this is all the information that you have. Are you drafting Kamara as the RB four, which is where he's been going?
I am, yeah. He's actually reportedly going to come back to practice today, and it was a ploy by him to try and say, hey, I'm gonna stay away from the team. It's going to cause commotion. You guys need to resign me. And then they came out on social media and basically called his bluff and said, hey, we're willing to trade. Alvin Kamara. They told some reporters that. So now he's reportedly coming back to practice, I think is going to happen just like Joe Mixon.
Does it affect the way I'm drafting tonight? It's really tough. We talked about in the podcast yesterday with Sig because I thought maybe you could just take Derrick Henry there and eliminate a lot of the concern.
And you might still want to do that, although I do. And this is literally just my guess. I do think it happens with Kamara and that he's back on the field for the Saints in twenty twenty.
Yep. And then guys, additionally, Joe Mixon signed a four year extension with the. Snoddy Bengal's, after some concern that he was missing practice with migraines, he now gets paid. So let's talk about the fantasy significance of this, Justin. There's a ton of uncertainty with these top running backs right now, right? You heard it in Texas voice there. Does Mixon move into camera spot as the RB four off the board now for you. Where where is Mixon at?
Because you do have these concerns of Kamara Dalvin Cook potentially holding out Kenyan Drake to Myles Sanders with injury concerns. Where does Mixon land for you?
Well, I don't think that Mixon is without his own concern still, even though he got the contract thing figured out right. That offensive line. And since he still isn't very good, I know they're going to get Jonah Williams back, but the rest of that line is still pretty bad there. So there's still some concerns with Mixon. So for me, he stays at the end of that first round in that low end RB one range. But I bumped him back up to RB nine at this point.
But I'm not going to move him all the way up into the top five until we see and I'm excited about that offense. Don't get me wrong with your Berl coming in and breathing some life in there. And it seems like they're all very excited in Cincinnati with Boro. But I'm not going to bump Mixon up into the top five just yet. I'm still going to take guys like Kamara because it sounds like I had CIGA on my podcast yesterday as well.
Kind of both booked him yesterday and he probably said the exact same thing with you guys. And it's exactly what I was thinking, which is they're going to get this deal done with Kamara because they got Drew Brees for one more year and we think maybe Brees will come back next year. But I think this is probably going to be up for him. They're going to do everything they can to try to win this season, and they're going to want to keep Kamara for that.
They're not going to be able to replace him at this point. So I'm still excited about Kamara in that top five, you know, and I would still take Dalvin Cook. It seems like the beat writers there for everything that that Adam Schefter said about how he's kind of scared about taking Cook the beat writers were pretty clear that Cook got more reps in practice after the contract talks cut off.
And just because this is all negotiating, Tagg's kind of touched on it. Just because the contract talks ended doesn't mean that the agent and the team aren't talking, doesn't mean that a deal could come at any point here. I still feel pretty confident that Cook's going to get a deal done before the season starts as well. So we'll see what happens. But I'm still taking those guys over.
Mixon, are you are you guys worried about Cook in the fact that when they traded for and got away, that literally they took up all the CAPM they had left? So if they were to get a deal done with Cook, it would have to be like future money. And that's terrible to do with the running back.
Did they not just restructure Riley RIFs contract, though? Wasn't that sort of. They did open up some money.
They did. So that could potentially open up some money.
The thing is, like with Dalvin Cook and I don't want to spend a ton of time on this, but with Dalvin Cook he doesn't have, he has leverage but he doesn't have a ton where it's not like he's been fully healthy. I mentioned it recently. Dalvin Cook has yet to play a full 16 game season. So when you're trying to hold out and like put pressure on the team to give you a big contract, you have to be like you have to be able to say, I've been healthy, I've been on the field.
Now he's been absolutely productive when he's been on the field, but he doesn't necessarily have that going for him. So behind the scenes, it could be at the point where they say with the Ingrey trade and that eating up some cap. And then again, like you mentioned, Justin, that could open up with a really brief restructuring. But he could just say, OK, I've got to play this year and then I might be heading for free agency next year.
Like that could just be where he's at right now. So as far as cook for me personally, I'm not as concerned. I think he is going to play this year because I don't think he has the leverage to position it. But I did want to double back to mix in his super quick. I put this out on Twitter earlier from weeks. Eleven through seventeen last season, Mixon was the RB three in all of fantasy football, and that was during the time that Ryan Finley was starting and completing forty percent of his passes.
So now if we look at Mixon and we say Joe Burrows, stepping into this offense is a huge upgrade, even as a rookie from Ryan Finley and Andy Dalton being pulled in and out of the lineup. So, Tagg's, I wanted to get your thoughts really quick here. Where does Mixon land for you after the contract?
I have Mixon right there around is the seventh running back him and Clyde Edwards Hillaire because we're here in whispers out there. And this is probably a little bit of news, too, is that we're hearing whispers that the chiefs could be interested in Leonard Fournette now that he's cleared waivers, which would obviously throw a giant wrench into drafting Clyde Edwards Hillary with that pick. So you might be safer going with Joe Mixon at seven over Edwards. Hillary right now really hoping that's not the case, because I want Edwards there to have that three down roll there in Kansas City.
But, yeah, I'm going to I'd probably take mixin at seven right now among running backs and just play it safe, because again, with Edwards there, you have worries with with Myles Sanders. You always have worries about Doug Peterson, what he's going to do. Myles Turner is dealing with an undisclosed injury. Kenyon Drake obviously just getting out of his walking boot. There's so many question marks with those running backs. Just take mixin.
Yeah, that was going to be the next thing I mentioned was that Leonard Fournette cleared waivers after being released by the Jacksonville Jaguars. He can now sign with any team. And then but I was going to mention it's it's going to be very hard to find a spot that he lands. It's going to give him the type of workload that he would have seen in Jacksonville, even like trying to find a spot in general with the running back depth charts, the way that they've been solidified up to this point in camp.
So but again, I did want to mention that Kansas City has been rumored. As a landing spot, of course, we'll keep you updated as we hear more news, another one that I just want to quickly gloss over, Carson Wentz is reportedly dealing with a minor injury, but all reports are that he should be ready to go for week one. So if you're looking for this quarterback at the back end, you know, a low end QB one, Carson Wentz is a fantastic option.
I still really like him, even though you have Jalen Reagor, Missing Time and Alshon Jeffery out of the lineup as well. I still really like him. Tyrell Williams, the Las Vegas Raiders wide receiver, has now been placed on E.R. so this has to move Brian Edwards up your rankings, right?
Yeah, it did, but I'm still not going to go crazy. I know there's some people out there like, oh, I dropped Deontay Johnson for Brian Edwards. No, I'm not doing stuff like that. No, that's where some people are doing. They're kind of going crazy. I still think that Rug's is the guy you want this offense. I also think this probably helps Darren Waller, you know, Darrin Waller, someone that we started worrying.
OK, now that there's a lot more targets at wide receiver, we start losing some of those. But we can't forget this is a rookie coming into the NFL. He hasn't seen any pregame any preseason action. Derek Carr has never even going back to Amari Cooper. I mean, Derek Carr did not like support a consistent fantasy wide receiver. So to think that, you know, rug's is not going to be the number one is just crazy because they obviously drafted him two rounds before Edwards.
They're going to get the ball in his hands. They're talking about involving Jacobs. I think this helps Jacobs a little bit get a little bit more targets. It just clears out about, you know, I would say seventy targets in the offense, roughly with with Tyrell Williams gone. So obviously, Edwards is going to see a big chunk of that walking into the starting lineup and two wide receiver sets. But it's a funnel effect. You know, Hunter Renfroe is actually going to be viable because they're going to have to move him into the slot when they go three wide.
Now, it's just it's a big funnel effect that goes throughout the entire offense. And sure, I'm going to move players around, but I'm not going to reach for these players because it's still the Raiders offense.
Yeah, it's all about expectation management. Right. I like Edwards as a bat last spot on my bench, because that's where you can get him in draft right now or you can pick him up off the waiver wire. You're going to find out pretty quickly what you have in him. And if he hits, then he hits and you can keep him on your roster. If he doesn't, then you can drop him. Don't be. Yeah, don't go out and drop like a Deonte Johnson or someone that you drafted in the top ten rounds, you know, to go pick up Brian Edwards.
So another one here, Kenny Drake has been dealing with a foot injury, but he is reportedly close to practicing in full. Just in super quick, where are you drafting Kenny Drake right now?
Oh, he's still right up there for me. I would take him honestly in the middle of the first round. I love everything about him. I think in the times that I've been on with you guys during the off season, I feel like Tagg's. I know for sure it was very hard on him. I don't know if he still is, but for me, what we saw from him in half a season last year, and it's a small sample size, but it's not minuscule, right?
It's something. And what we saw from him in that offense, I think he's a guy that has that top five upside. I'm going to take him right now. I have him as my RB six, and I'm very happy if I can get him in the end of the first round. And sometimes now with this injury, he's still falling to the second round. And at that point, that is an absolute steal, because no matter who it is in that Cardinals' backfield and this is what we saw last year, and I know it was the first season with Cliff Kingsbury, but we saw the running backs produced there.
Right. Whether it was David Johnson being a top five back in the first six weeks before he got hurt, whether it was Chase Edmunds in that one start, hundred and fifty yards from scrimmage, three touchdowns, or whether it was Drake coming in in the second half of the season and then just going wild. And if you take those numbers from the second half of the year and you put them out on pace over a full 16 game season, the only running back to it outscored them in fantasy.
It was Christian McCaffrey last year. So I'm not suggesting that's what's going to happen, but it shows us the kind of upside that he has. So I still really like Drake and they've acted like this injury wasn't that serious. And obviously Drake came out himself and said, you know, I was in a walking boot this time last year. Like, don't freak out, everybody. And and I love that you guys are being so levelheaded about this stuff because I feel like people are very prone to overreacting about everything.
When you talk about something like Brian Edwards getting hype and everybody just jumping overboard and going, oh, my God, right. We got to get him. We got to get him no matter what. No, you got to look at it. That's why I love doing projections with this stuff, because then you can look at it and go, OK, Brian is going to get more work. But how much work is it actually going to be?
Right. Is that going to make him a wide receiver? Three probably not. The odds are probably still pretty slim. So when I look at Drake, I absolutely love him. And yeah, I don't think people should overreacted to the the injury stuff because right now it doesn't seem like it's that serious.
Yeah. If you're drafting towards the turn in a twelve team league and you can walk out with Joe Mixon in the first round and then Kenny Drake falls in the second and those can be your you double up on running back early. I would love that start.
Chris Carson says he is 100 percent and he should be good to go for the start of the season. So that's just something I did want to quickly just mention, because that was one of the big concerns that I had with Chris Carson, was what's he going to be at the start of the season? Now you can talk about is he going to hold onto the job all year when Rashaad Penny comes back? But at this point, throughout the first start of the season, he is going to absolutely contribute for your rosters.
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OK, let's move into the discussion for today's show. We are looking at our own rankings and we're talking about the guys who have been rising recently and the guys who have been falling. And we're going to go around the room and talk about each position here and hopefully we get out in under an hour and a half.
So let's go let's go to Tagg's first here to talk about running backs and someone that he's seen rise up his rankings and then we'll go to Justin for the same.
Yeah, it's really difficult this time of the year with running backs because we almost know the workload's. But obviously, Joe Mixon is someone that's moved up considerably in my rankings because I had him down as far as eleven among running backs, because this contract situation with all the worries and now you starting to add and I know we just talked about Mixon, but you start to add in all the concerns about the running backs around him. Nick Chubb is going to deal with Kareem Hunt, Aaron Jones.
We obviously know the concerns with him. Austin Ekeler he had seventy three point five percent of his production through the air last year. No other top twenty running back had more than like forty eight percent of his production through the air. So when you subtract, you know, a bunch of pass attempts from the offense losing Philip Rivers, I do think it affects him. He I like Ekler. I like him just fine as a low end RB, one high end RB, two.
But and then you get included. Recently we're talking about Leonard Fournette, they're talking about Daryl Williams actually playing very well, maybe stealing some of that goal line work from him. You're talking about a mile Sanders, you know, can you drink? A lot of guys have question marks in that range. So now Mixon eliminated the question marks he's had. You were worried about that contract situation. You didn't know if the migraines were a real thing or if it was about the contract.
But obviously, the migraines are gone. Everything's good. He's back to practice. All that stuff is gone. So Mixin is someone that's actually moved up. And I'm I'm probably willing to take him right after Derrick Henry right now is the seventh running back off the board?
Yeah, for context, I'm right there with Tagg's. I haven't met RB six, actually. So but again, it all depends on how you want to build your roster. If we see right now, I still have Kamara at four until we get some more clarity on this situation. So if we start to continue into the next couple of days and we don't have clarity, if Kamara misses today's practice or whatever, that will move him down my board and we'll see Mixon rise up.
I still really like him this year. All right, Justin, let's go on to you. Let's move over here. Who is a running back that you've seen rise up your rankings recently?
I pulled up my rankings here. I mean, it's funny because it tends to be the guys that are further down that make the biggest jumps. Right. Like Daryl Williams was somebody that that made a massive jump because I thought I was going to be. Andre Washington is the immediate backup there now with the Leonard Fournette news and maybe Fournette ends up there. Obviously that would throw a wrench in the whole thing, but he's moved up. I mean Daryl Williams right now for the time being, I've moved him up right below sort of those elite backups just because of what he could do in that offense, whether he gets a weekly roll or if and we don't want to see this happen.
But if Edwards player got hurt, same thing with a guy like Benny Snell. Just I sort of guessed wrong. I was really into Anthony McFarland and maybe he will have a role as a pass catcher there. But Benny Snell showed up and kind of did the the Le'Veon Bell thing from year one to year two, where he came back, lost a bunch of weight, reshaped his body. I think they said he lost twelve pounds. And he looks like a different back now.
And it's pretty clear that he is the number two. If something happens to James Connor and we don't want to call anybody injury prone, but I've had Edwin Porous of fantasy pros on our show.
I've had Matthew Betts of All Blacks football on our show to really good injury analysts in the industry. And they each mentioned concerns about James Connor due to the pass cancer treatments, whether that could have an impact on his ligaments and maybe lead to some of those soft tissue injuries that he's had. So it's not a guarantee. You cannot plan for injury. But, you know, they suggested that Connor might need that reduced workload to get through a full season.
And from what we're hearing out of Pittsburgh, that's not something that's going to happen. So you want to own the backup there. And Benny Snell's, the guy. And Connor, at this point, I mean, he's kind of like the the Wil Fuller of running backs, right?
Like if you get them in your lineup when he's there. He's going to be good for you, but outside of that, you have to prepare that he might miss half the season or something like that. But I mean, OK, so those are kind of like cheating because they're so far down, higher up. I mean, in the top 20, Jonathan Taylor. And I know that there's concerns. I know that people are very worried that Marlon Mack is going to remain involved.
I thought I was high on Taylor before the season, before the, you know, training camp started. But then when you hear all these reports coming out and how well he's playing in camp and all these long runs that he's breaking, it is only a matter of time here before he's just going to blow the doors off and push Marlon back to the bench. It might happen even before week one, to be honest. And I don't know if you guys saw the interview with Mack, but I talked about in our podcast and actually Sig brought it up again yesterday that he just looked kind of sad, you know, and I know it's narrative chasing, but he seemed like a guy who just knew that he was about to lose his starting job.
Right. So when you look at it, I mean, there's a reason why the Colts took a running back high in the second round.
And it was not because they're planning to continue to use Marlon Mack forever. I know Nazeem Hines is probably going to remain involved, but if you really think about it, this is another one when you look at the projections is not Austin Ekeler Hines is not going to be able to be that guy for Philip Rivers, where he's going to have that kind of fantasy value in real life.
Absolutely. He'll get some passes there and he'll be an effective part of that offense. But he is not somebody that's going to jump up and be a top twenty fantasy asset.
Whereas in the meanwhile, we're hearing reports that Taylor is a candidate to contribute in the passing game that recently came in the last couple of days here. So I know that Taylor has dealt with a few drops, didn't do much as a pass catcher until the final year in college, really, that just didn't really use them like that. And it's similar to Derrick Henry, where I think Taylor can be a pretty effective weapon in the passing game if they let him be.
And the Titans have just never really allowed Henry to do that. I think the Colts are already realizing what they have. I think it's already out of the box in their camp. They know what they got. The best pure runner in this class. You mentioned him with the best offensive line in the league. And I'm so excited. I mean, after that top fourteen running back. So for me, the end of that is kind of that Nick Chubb, Aaron Jones, Austin Ekeler range and that, you know, late second to early third after that.
It's Chris Carson for me at RB fifteen. And then it's Taylor up at RB sixteen. Not like I want to have him on my roster for when that explosion happens because it's coming this season at some point.
I mean, you're talking to the two people that absolutely agree, like can't agree with you more. Fantastic. We so I have Jonathan Taylor, RB. Fifteen tags. Where do you have Jonathan Taylor. I am an RB.
Seventeen just because I do have guys. I have James one of them.
Yeah. Yeah. So I mean Jonathan Taylor that was always my thought with Jonathan Taylor and Marlon Mack was you put Mack on the field and yes, he can contribute behind this offensive line. Right. We've seen it. He's been a he's been a good fantasy running back. However, you put Jonathan Taylor and Marlon Mack on the same field and it's not a competition. It was kind of the same thought process where you put a healthy Cam Newton on the field in a Jarrett Stidham on the field.
And it's just not even a competition because healthy Cam Newton is ten times as talented as Jarrett Stidham. It's kind of the same argument with Jonathan Taylor here and Marlon Mack. So I absolutely expect Taylor to take over this job, maybe, like you said, Justin, even before week one. So I love the call there, guys. The guy I'm going to bring up is Ronald Jones. In my rankings, Ronald Jones has skyrocketed up my rankings.
And this was partially due to the fact that throughout the off season I was high on Keshavan. I love on coming out. I've talked about that coming out of Vanderbilt. And then we see that. We see reports that he's not adjusting. I think going on the covid list to begin training camp probably didn't help things right. But he's had troubles adjusting. He is just not going to be a factor in this offense. It appears that he's just not getting up to speed.
And so when you look at now, they have Lashan McCoy at, what? Thirty two years old now, however old he is, he's not going to do much. He will still be on the field for certain instances, but he's not going to take enough work away from Ronald Jones for him to not be valuable. And in a high powered offense, I want the running back, especially when you factor in that Ronald Jones is ADP is still down at RB.
Thirty guys, he's DCR is RB. Twenty eight. I've met RB twenty one now. Yes, he does come with the concerns. Right. And I'm not going to pretend that this doesn't exist, that he doesn't come with the concerns, that he misses one blitz pickup which was his weak spot in his game and he's going to ride the bench. Yes, totally get that. However, if we I would have more concern about that if we were drafting him as a top twelve running back a top fifteen running back.
However, he is going at RB thirty. So the risk reward here with drafting Rondo Jones to be your RB three on your roster. I don't see any risk tags. I know that you have been the Ronald Jones guy all offseason, so I'll turn this over to you at that price tag. Is there any risk involved? No.
You're getting to the point where if you miss on a draft pick and, you know, the fifth, sixth round or whatever, wherever he's going, sometimes he fell to the seventh, eighth round, but. Mostly because I think he's going to go in the fifth, sixth round right now, and I don't think that you lose your fantasy draft if that misses and he's not going to miss right off the bat. We know that because he shot him on is so far behind the Sean McCoy is nothing to worry about.
They're not signing Leonard Fournette. Everything that Bruce Arians is saying is, is everything we want to hear. He basically came out today that he had an interview with one of the beat reporters and said Ronald Jones has improved in his pass protection. He's improved as a pass catcher. He had one bad day in camp with drops, but outside of that, he's been fantastic. And it's so funny because those that are looking to fit their narrative that Ronald Jones is not a good pass catcher, all they're going to do is point to one highlight that they saw from camp.
I mean, have we never seen Julio Jones drop a football? Stop it. I'm not saying Julio Jones, but I'm just saying, like choosing somebody on their worst day. There's podcast highlights you could pull out that I was just terrible. But we do want to be judged on that type of stuff. So Ronald Jones is the lead back in that offense. That should be top ten, probably scoring offense. So I definitely won't be attached to him.
I haven't RB twenty three. I could definitely make the case for him going higher. But again, you want to have some room for equity when you take someone like that.
Of course. Of course. Just in super quick before we move on to these guys that are falling down our rankings, what are your thoughts here on Ronald Jones and where do you have him ranked?
Well, I haven't ranked at RB twenty six. I definitely have to give Tagg's props, though, because Tagg's has been on this one the whole way. I was not a big Ronald Jones fan, but one thing we have to be open to is players getting better, like you just said about the Bruce Arians comments, right. That you can't get better. Like I said about Benny Snell, a guy can go into the off season and put in the work and reshape his body and come back really a different player.
And we're seeing that, I think, with Ronald Jones from his first season to now, he's improved. He's been dedicated and he's going to get his shot here. And if you want Keyshawn Von at this point, even if someone drafts him in your league, my guess is they're going to probably going to drop him early in the season because it's going to be Ronald Jones and it's going to be Leshawn McCoy. Leshan McCoy. I don't think he has that much left in the tank, though.
So there's a good shot that if Keyshawn Von gets involved, it's going to be later in the season and maybe that owner will drop him at some point and then you'll be able to just sneak in and grab on at that point and throw him on your bench. So I wouldn't be drafting Vaughn unless you're going to take him with your, you know, late, late last round pick. But I think there's probably better options to grab early in the season.
Yeah, I completely agree.
All right. Let's move over to these guys who are falling down. Our rankings tags will go to you.
And then Justin, I mean, it's got to be David Montgomery for me. I don't like drafting players that have an injury coming into the season. It's something I learned last year, you know, with AJ Green, where, you know, I was telling people, oh, he fell far enough and drafts where, you know, I think you should grab him here and, you know, he's going to pay off. And it's this and it's going to that.
Well, David Montgomery, not only do we have the risk of the Bears signing Leonard Fournette, which I think the Bears should do, and this is coming from a Bears fan, I think Leonard Fournette has has been unfairly criticized. He's played very bad football team and a bad offense. And I think if he were to start his career, you know, in Minnesota, we'd be talking about a different running back. I think that he's a better version of David Montgomery and I think he suits very well alongside Tarricone.
So there obviously are some concerns in the Bears have zero depth behind David Montgomery. So they should have been sending a running back to begin with anyway. They really should have this entire time. So this injury only adds to that. And then again, coming into the season with a soft tissue injury to your groin, if he tries to push, you know, and come back to early from that injury, if his foot slips on the turf, whatever it may happen, he's going to miss another month.
And it's like now we have to take the time to let this heal. So I just there's just too much risk for me right now because he's still being drafted and starter range. I'm OK getting him as a bench player that you don't have to rely on for the first couple of weeks. But I'm I'm out.
It's fair. I think that the concern is how far does he fall for you to say that? I am willing to take the shot because once he's back on the field, you're not going to find a running back in that range of VP who is going to see the type of workload that David Montgomery will when he's healthy. So that's the question that I'll pose. And I'll actually pose a suggestion here, like how far does David Montgomery have to fall for you to say, OK, I will take him now?
I'm not going to touch him at this point until really probably the ninth round. And that means I don't think he's going to end up on very many of my teams and we don't know what's going to happen with maybe a Fournette like Tagg's was talking about. I wonder for tags, though, is a Bears fan. Is it going to hurt when you're watching Cam Newton and Leonard Fournette starting for the Patriots this year?
That's that's not going to happen. All right. Like, please, someone tell me that's not going to happen.
They did say the Patriots did say that they will not be looking into bringing in Leonard Fournette. They have too many running backs there.
Yeah, well, I know Nelson Nelson Souza, who's a pretty active in the fantasy football Twitter community there. He was saying that and I don't know what his sources are, but he was saying that there's an offer that the Patriots put out and he was suggesting actually we mentioned a million times here, Sigma Bloom, they were having a conversation on Twitter and he was telling Sigge that maybe don't rule out the Patriots yet.
So keep an eye on that one. Who knows? All right. Fantastic. OK, well, let's move on to Justin. I think you're up here for a guy that a running back who is falling down your rankings.
I'll say Melvin Gordon and I was really hopeful when he signed there that he would step in. That lead back roll, and he still might I mean, he profiles or at least before before this training camp started, he profiled this the better pass catcher as a goal line back, but then he's been banged up. Might it come in a little out of shape, it seems like. And he's trying to get acclimated to a new team here. So missing time is going to hurt him even more.
And then you have Phillip Lindsey, who this guy has just never seen a challenge that's too big for him.
Right. And he has answered the bell raring to go this year.
And according to reports, Lindsey showing more as a pass catcher now. And remember, down the stretch last season, they completely stopped using him in that role like they just didn't want him. And that's why I was really high on Melvin Gordon to start the off season. But now, if Lindsay's improve there and he's running so well, he could potentially force that 50/50 split or something close to it.
So you got to give all the respect of the world to Lindsay, another guy actually, that we could count on, somebody that should probably moving up draft boards. But Gordon's now outside of my top twenty backs, and I might even drop him further in the next update.
It's fair tax. What are your thoughts on Melvin Gordon? I mean, that's obviously worrisome to hear Boone talking about that. Melvin Gordon, I have it running back nineteen right now. I just happened to be ahead of the guys that I'm worried about, like Le'Veon Bell. Obviously, everybody's concerned about Bell. I still think that he's going to be a fine, low end RB too high and RB three. I think the heat's got to the point where it's gone too far, where Bell's fallen like the fifth round.
That's fine. David Johnson, a guy that looked like he looked done the last time we saw him on a football field. That's not to say that he is done, but I don't think that he fits the Texans offense very well. And I think Duke Johnson is probably the better option for them right now. So I think that turns into more of a timeshare than people expect. Mark Ingram going to lose carries the Jaquet Dobbyn. So it's about the players in that range that I'm taking Melvin Gordon over, like Ronald Jones, for example.
He's someone that I think he has upside. That's higher than maybe Melvin Gordon potentially. But I don't think that there's any chance that Melvin Gordon loses his job, considering, you know, what they paid in in free agency. It clearly showed that they want to. Pat Shurmur wanted a workhorse running back, brought in. And it's unfortunate for Phillip Lindsay because he's a very good running back. But Melvin Gordon, I just put him ahead of those guys because I have less question marks as well.
For me, I'll just transition because you mentioned name tags. It's Le'Veon Bell. And even though I do have Le'Veon Bell, RB twenty two in my rankings, this is one of these guys that I'm just saying, like, I think you can finish here, but I don't want him on any of my rosters. Right. Like, I just do not want to deal with a potential outcome and the potential week in and week out volatility of having a Adam Gase running back.
You know, just especially when I have to pay that price tag for him. Granted, it's not as absurd as some of these other guys. But give me Ronald Jones, that RB thirty over Le'Veon Bell. Right. Like, that's just the way that I'm looking at it. And you mentioned some of those names that are going in that range. You know, a Melvin Gordon, a Le'Veon Bell, a maybe James Connors, not necessarily in that conversation, but a Mark Ingram, David Johnson, like that's just a range of these running backs.
I don't know if I necessarily really want to have any part of, which is why in mock drafts up to this point of the off season, I've loved going running back, running back and then hammering these wide receivers in that range. Right. We're talking about the fourth round where I was getting Calvin Ridley. Robert Woods. Right. So that's that's the conversation. It's not necessarily that I don't I think I'm not projecting Le'Veon Bell to finish outside the top thirty running backs like he's going to see enough volume, especially when you factor in.
Rashard Perriman is has missed an entire week of practice. And then Denzel Mims is just doing individual drills now, like he doesn't seem like he's going to be ready to start the season. They're rolling out Jamison Crowder, Chris Hogan and Josh Bellamy as their wide receivers in week one. So Le'Veon Bell has to see volume, right. But in a low scoring volume are low scoring offense. This is just not one that I necessarily want to invest in, but I do think that he can finish up there.
So it's just all about looking at the draft as a whole and saying, what where do I want to invest my picks in? And just up to this point, I've loved going the wide receivers that are in this range rather than the running backs. Before we continue on with the show, I want to tell you all about trophy smack attention, fantasy football commissioners and champions you put in the time. Now reward yourself in your league with something worth bragging about.
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Let's move over to wide receiver here and some of these guys that are rising up our rankings. Tagg's, let's go to you first.
I'm going to go to a segue talked about yesterday and I'm going to say is jury duty. I moved him to my wide receiver. Thirty nine as one of the best wide receiver fours that you can have on your fantasy team. You may not have to rely on them right away, but at the same time, what he brings to the offense and you know, obviously, I love Judy in the. In the draft process, here's my favorite wide receiver, and I felt like there was a tear break behind him, like I don't think Keadilan was close to Jerry, Judy.
But Judy, like going to camp and surprising people. It doesn't surprise me, but I love what I'm hearing. And especially when someone like Selimi that covers the Broncos exclusively, you know, he he's saying that wherever you're drafting him, it's not high enough. And that tells me that they're using him in a lot of different ways. They're going to get the ball in his hands and under Pat Shurmur, if you look at his offense going back to Minnesota, what he did with Adam Thielen and Stefon Diggs Thielen specifically because he moved him into the slot a lot.
We haven't seen that with Thielen ever since Shurmur left. He goes off to New York and you see Sterling Shepard did very well in 2018 2019. You know Golden Tate was good when he came on the field. I don't think people realize the flaw that Golden Tate had. So when you take jury duty and you move him around the offense, you give Drew lock one of those other options, a guy that has just natural separation and his routes and knowing that Courtland Sutton is probably going to demand no one coverage most of the time.
Jury duty is a guy that I probably wasn't high on enough in redrafts. Obviously in Dynasty, I'm as high as you can be, but in Redrafts I've moved him up my board considerably.
I joked on our podcast yesterday that Sig was, you know, his joy and his curiosity and stuff is so infectious in the industry. And he's clearly infected us because we've only mentioned him about a dozen times or on this podcast. But I think you have to listen. When Cecil says stuff about the Broncos, you have to listen because he was the one touting Peyton Manning that year that Peyton went off and had the huge season with the Broncos, he was the one touting in practices saying something special is happening here and this is an offense you're going to want to pay up to get all these pieces.
And if you did, you probably won your fantasy league that year. So you got to be listening. And yeah, absolutely. If he's saying that about jury duty, then we're moving him up our rankings.
This is a crazy part with jury duty. ACR wide receiver, 52, ATP wide receiver, forty two and half PPR formats. So experts are lower than the general population here on jury duty, which is super interesting for me. I would have figured it would have been the other way around. All right, Justin, let's go to you here for a wide receiver that you're rising on.
Well, overall, I got to give props to a lot of these rookies that showed up ready because one of the off season storylines was that, you know, the rookies might be a little bit behind. We always see tight ends take some time to acclimate. You know, maybe the running backs could do it because running backs a little easier. But the receivers could take some time. A lot of these guys showed up, ready to go and ready to take on big time roles.
And I have another rookie to talk about. We mentioned him earlier. It's Henry Rug's. I keep moving him up every time I do my projections. And I know all that hype is on Edwards, but no one seems to be giving rug's the credit that he deserves here. He played in a absolutely stacked Alabama receiving corps.
And you got to remember somebody like Terry McClaren was kind of underappreciated in college because he was in that stacked Ohio State offense. Right. I think rug's could be a similar guy. And he was the first receiver taken in this year's draft for a reason like that has to be mentioned. And he went to a team that has a massive void at receiver. They had nothing there. And he steps in as the lead guy. I like Judy, I like KD Lamb, who's another guy that's just balling out in camp, apparently.
But Rug's has a shot to lead this team and targets. You know, at worst, he's going to challenge Darrin Waller and they'll be close there.
And rug's can win in a variety of ways. I know people want to paint him because he has that speed. They want to paint him as a downfield threat, but he can carve you up and they're going to use him. Derek Carr is going to throw these little slants and they are going to hit him with those slants. And he has that speed to take those kind of passes to the house. So rug's actually right now is my top ranked rookie receiver, and I have him right on that fringe wide receiver.
Three range is my wide receiver, 38. And I think, you know, he's a guy who could really step up. I want to mention someone else real quick to hear maybe a post hype sleeper. And I won't spend too much time because I know you said you want to go an hour and a half here, but Marcus Valdés Scantlin is somebody that I think we should be paying attention to because we know the Packers didn't bring in anybody. Well, they brought in Devin Funchess, but he opted out.
Yeah, but Alan Lazard's been the one that's kind of been getting the hype as the potential number two behind him. On to Adams. And we know that tight end. There's not that much. I mean, now they're saying Robert Tonin and Jay Sternbergh are kind of battling it out there. So doesn't look like you're going to get a massive difference maker there.
And MVP last year at this time, I think we were all kind of excited about NBFC flashed as a rookie and now he was going to step up, maybe get a bigger opportunity. And early in the season, he had a few big games and he had ninety nine yards and a touchdown, a one game, one hundred and thirty three and a touchdown in another. A couple of weeks later.
This year, though, he has showed up and he has answered the call because last season one of the knocks he got hurt. But also Aaron Rodgers just seemed frustrated with him. I think the coaching staff might have been too, that he didn't have that professionalism, didn't have that consistency to his game, and they were calling on him to do that. And he actually is doing it now. Every single day we're seeing stories come out and it's not getting huge press because it's Marcus Velva scaling.
Right. We're not talking about a first. Rookie receiver, something, but every single day we're getting stories about how he's showing up, how he's giving that consistency, how he's doing really well in, you know, they had their scrimmage and he made all these catches, third, fourth down conversions. And, you know, I joked on our podcast that Aaron Nagler put out, he's one of the Packers beat guys. He put out a Matrix meme that MVS is beginning to believe, like Neal.
And really that's all we need because the talent is there. So if he gets that confidence and that consistency to his game that Rodgers, the coaching staff, all be calling for, he might end up being the second most productive receiver here and he could end up being a guy that ends up being a fantasy starter after all.
Fun fact about Marksville deskilling Scantlin. I believe he's moving back into the slot now that Treneman Allison's gone, now that Allen Lazard is seemingly the other starter opposite Davante Adams. And I think this is really good for Valdés scaling. I do an article every year. It's like how do slot targets affect fantasy football? And I go through slot targets and perimeter targets and find out the players that really, really benefit from slot work. And Marksville that Scantlin over the last two years combined, he's the number two wide receiver in terms of the difference there is between slot and perimeter targets.
So it really depends on where he's playing. If he's playing on the perimeter, I don't want him. If he's playing in the slot, then I think he's a lot more valuable. But again, I think this all comes back to Matt Loffler and being a well, I'm not even going to go there. I think Matt LaFleur is, but I'm just going to call. Could I instead of him saying the floor moving forward, can I just say Adam Gates Jr.
I'm worried about what Adam I'm worried about Adam Gates Jr is is going to do basically with Aaron Rodgers and just hide him in this offense for whatever reason. But I actually I've grabbed Velho Scaling and in a couple of dynasty leagues because I'm actually with you on this one. Justin, I always thought that there was a chance this kid popped back up because he has flashed at times.
I like him as a yeah, like Teg said, a late dynasty guy especially like super late start ups. I think that you can get a value on him and if he hits then he hits. If he doesn't, you know, in this offense looks different than what we're expecting, then you don't know the cost to acquire him. I'm not looking at him in Redflex necessarily right now, especially in, you know, just typical sixteen rounds. If you're playing in deeper leagues, then maybe.
But for right now, I'm not looking at Mark because while dismantling, I'm going to double back here to Henry Rug's though, Justin, because that was my guy. And literally every point that you made, I was just nodding along because I completely agree. This was it. This is my wide receiver to coming out in this in this class. It was jury duty at one and then it was Henry Rug's it two. We cannot just stereotype Henry Rug's into this just pure speed guy and talk about him in the same breath that we do of like a Marquise Goodwin like that is just not who he is.
He is more well-rounded of a receiver. He is tough as nails competitive, can beat press coverage on the outside, can get open, can take any sort of slant. Quick pass like you give him shallow crosses. He can take it and create after the catch so the you can make contested catches too deep downfield. So this is someone that I want to invest in. And the Tyrell Williams news was all that I needed to be able to say, OK, here's how I clear up the targets for him in this offense.
I have him as a wide receiver three this season. I've loved him. I have him as a wide receiver, three now. I love him this year. And I think that he is absolutely going to contribute for fantasy football for redress right out of the gates. Again, Justin, you mentioned he's your top rookie wide receiver. I'm right there with you.
I have met 41. He's the number two behind jury duty, but they're close.
All right, guys, let's move over to the wide receivers who are falling down our rankings tags. You're up here first. Who do you got?
A couple of rookies. We're just hearing bad things because again, when training camp starts, everybody looks good. Everybody looks great. Yeah, I hear it. But it's the people that we hear negative things about that we want to actually take to heart. And we've heard obviously negative things about Justin Jefferson. We talked about him a little bit on the podcast yesterday. It seems like he might be the number four wide receiver on that team to start the year.
And that's that's a horrible you can't draft him in a low volume offense that threw the ball like 440 times last year. Another player that's moving down is Denzel Mims, undrafted draftable. There was a there was a point in the off season where I said there's a clear path to him getting to a hundred targets. It kind of felt like a Devante Parker situation from last year where there was really no clear cut. No one in the team, Burchard, Perriman, he was fine with Jameis Winston, but I don't know how well he fits this offense.
Robby Anderson was obviously the field stretcher in that offense, and that's kind of how I vision them doing that. But Denzel Mims hasn't taken advantage of this opportunity that he's had to walk into this offense and build chemistry with Sam Darnell and said, we're hearing all these things about Jamison Crowder and Chris Herndon, which makes sense because over the course of his career, Sam Darnell is actually absolutely loved his targets over the middle of the field. So Denzel Mims is a clear loser here.
Same thing with Justin Jefferson, two guys that I do believe are talented and they're going to make an impact in this league, but they are undrafted now in leagues.
Justin, what are your thoughts on Justin Jefferson particularly? We were talking again, going to namedrop here with Sigge. We were talking about Justin Jefferson with him. And this is just a guy that he's not super confident. And if Olelbis Johnson is starting this season, then that's a concern. So where are you at with Justin Jefferson? Where do you have him in your ranks?
Yeah, I moved him way down as well. He's outside of my top six. And I kind of agree with with Tagg's that he's not somebody I'm drafting at all and. What I love about this, and it's unfortunate for Jefferson and the start to his career, but it solidifies Thielen as a wide receiver, one in fantasy, it makes Irv Smith so interesting now as a breakout candidate where I had him sort of at the bottom of those potential late round guys.
Now it pushes him right up into the mix with all them.
It would not shock me if Earl Smith becomes a top 12 fantasy tight end this year and meme's I'm right there with you because for me, my fallers, it's all it might be a couple, but it's all these injured guys. When you look at them, I know some people that when guys get injured in the preseason and training camp, they take them off their fantasy draft boards. They don't even want to deal with that because they're worried there's going to be injury or the worry they're going to miss more time than people realize.
So all these guys, AJ Green, can't seem to stay on the field. Mike Williams, Jalen Reagor, we know those guys are going to miss time early in the season. Rashard Perriman, who's come up already, he's somebody I was really interested in as a deep sleeper. He's been sidelined for a while now. I think he's back doing some stuff on the side at camp today. Brandon IUC missing time, maybe missing that opportunity that he had that window where DBO Samuell going to be out for a couple of games early in the season.
Maybe I could have capitalized. Now, he's probably going to miss that time. And oddly enough, the one guy that we were really worried about was DBO Samuel. And now the reports on him are kind of positive, right? The reports on him seem to be that he actually might be able to come back early in the season and hopefully he can avoid any sort of, you know, aggravation or injury there because we know what those foot issues, they can really linger.
So I would keep Debow in mind, those other guys. I'm probably shying away from an all leaks. Yeah.
AJ Green, again, was a guy that I was going to bring up looking at AJ Green just cannot get on the field. And this was I could have put him like if we did this podcast like a week and a half ago and we talked about guys that were rising up my rankings. AJ Green probably would have been the guy that I talked about because I was starting to come around. I was starting to say, OK, I'm a believer in his talent.
I'm a believer in the opportunity. Maybe it's the fact that I've been listening to tags and tags and I talked way too much, but saying like I was coming around on AJ Green. Well, then now looking at the fact that he's missed an entire week of practice, he is now doing, he's still limited in practice like and this was the main concern. It's not the talent level. The talent level is absolutely there. But for fantasy football, you have to be on the field like breaking news.
You have to be on the field and in order to be able to contribute. And that's just not a guarantee with AJ Green. So I've moved him way down my rankings. This is just a guy who I am looking to avoid. I know Tagg's you mentioned like right when it came out that AJ Green was going to miss some time like that. He was dealing with this potential nagging injury that you said, like, I'm not concerned yet. Are you at the point now where you're concerned?
No, because he basically he was back and they had him running off to the side and they're basically easing him back in as a veteran, which kind of makes sense. I don't think that there's any rush to get him back on the practice field. Was practice really going to do for AJ Green at this stage in his career? I don't outside of getting chemistry with Joe Barrow, which is fine and that's all great. That's all great. But again, it's AJ Green.
This guy has been in the league for a long time. I did move him down a little bit, but not to the point where I'm not going to draft him, because, again, at the point where he's going in draft, you're not getting a sure thing at that point. Your draft, you're really not. There's a lot of guys that you're talking about, potential breakout candidates in that range. And AJ Green, the part that blows my mind is that Ty Hilton and Adam Thielen are going ahead of him.
These guys are both over thirty years old. They haven't been as productive as AJ Green has been in his career. They didn't get a giant upgrade at quarterback. You know, I really don't understand the hate for AJ Green. I do understand the risk associated with him and I like him as a wide receiver. Three now because before I was willing to say I think he's a low end, too, but I'll take him as a wide receiver three and I can easily find someone else to plug in that role.
If AJ were to miss some time, like someone like Henry Rug's like some like jury duty who are going later in draft. So I just think that wide receiver is a position that I don't want to easily replaceable, but it is more replaceable than running back to find someone in that wide receiver three slot, which is where AJ Green is going. He's going around the wide receiver thirty to thirty two range. And most of the drafts I'm doing, that's perfectly fine because again, who doesn't come with risk in that range.
Yeah, the T.Y. Hilton over AJ Green does not make any sense to me. I don't know where you're at Justin on that, but that just doesn't make any sense to me. So. All right, guys, let's move on to the quarterback position here and let's talk about a guy who is rising out of rankings. Let's actually do this because we're running out of time here. Let's do both of these guys back to back. So, Justin, who's a guy that you're rising in your rankings and who's a guy that's falling in your rankings?
Well, the riser would be Gardner Minshew. And I mean, really, I could say that about the entire Jags passing attack here, because it seems like not only does Minshew, you have a pretty good grasp of Jay Gruden system, but all the receiving weapons there are getting positive. Bob, right. Jaque looks like he's going to be able to build off that breakout year. Lévesque Asciano seems to still be being slept on. I mean, this guy, he can do it all.
He can even get carries out of the backfield. I think he's going to surprise a lot of people as a rookie. And then we even got positive press about Chris Connelly and Keelan Cole and another rookie, Collin Johnson, even Tyler Ifrit Back from the dead. Got some positive news about him, so, you know, Minshew is on a team that we expect to be trailing quite a bit. I think their biggest win totals like four and a half games.
I don't know if that's changed with Fournette leaving. I doubt it.
But so they're going to be in comeback mode a lot, you know, and with Fournette gone, maybe they're not going to be compelled to have to run the ball as much. Maybe they do just open things up, even a neutral game scripts. Right. Maybe they decide to throw a little bit more in Gruden system. So there could be some real fantasy production there that comes out of that group. And that's not even mentioning it. Manchus rushing numbers, which is the real thing that gives him a shot to potentially be a top 12, top 15 fantasy quarterback.
And then for Foeller, I don't really have a great name. I mean, based on what we've said the whole time here, Sam Darnell's probably the guy with all these injuries to the receivers and the new guys, Perriman and meme's him, not being able to have time to build chemistry with those guys. And then just that whole umbrella of Adam Gass over everything. The offensive line taken some time to gel. I know they brought in some more pieces, but doesn't sound like it's really come together yet for them.
So the receiving course decimated. And I mean, it's not that anybody was really drafting Darnel High, but I'm even considering moving him below like Dwayne Haskins at this point. Like, I think like Darnell is just that far down for me.
Yeah. And it's fair. Yeah. By the way, news just came out that Adam says that Bouchard's Perriman knee, his knee is swelling up after a few days, that it feels good, then all of a sudden it swells up again. So it sounds like there might be something close to I don't don't want to say season ending for Burchard Perriman, but it sounds like he's not going to play anytime soon. So, yeah, I'm I'm with you on that.
But my my biggest follower would be Jimmy Garoppolo. Garoppolo is a guy that's legitimately lost all of his past catchers, you know what I mean. Like his his top arguably three wide receivers are not going to be out on the field for him in week one. Maybe. I mean, I don't know if IUC is actually considered to be someone that might miss week one, but then you have George Kittle dealing with some sort of hamstring thing. And it's like, where did all these pass catchers go?
It's not like people were drafting Garoppolo with very much equity, but people were relying on him as a streamer in week one against Arizona. I'm dropping him and I'm right there with you. Boone Gardner Minshew is somebody that's that's climbed up my rankings. He's the best QB to target and to QB formats or super flags. If you're if you're looking to wait on a quarterback and you just want to stack your roster everywhere else, get Gardner. Minshew is like the 18th to 20th quarterback off the board.
You're going to be said.
Here's the thing I wanted to mention with Gardner Minshew talking about the inflate and you mentioned it, Justin, like, are they going to be forced to run the ball as much? Well, I don't think so. I think they can comfortably air the ball out because guess what? At in college at Washington State, Gardner Minshew threw the ball with Mike Leach. Six hundred and sixty two times in twenty eighteen in thirteen games, guys. So yes, he can handle throwing the ball a ridiculous amount of times.
And so if that's the case, then there's going to be fantasy value for these guys in this system where you're looking at. Yeah, I mean Dede Westbrook, I mean Keelan Cole, Chris Connolly, all these guys, someone is going to break out outside of jihad and be a consistent option. So I don't necessarily think that Gardner Minshew, again, with them trailing, is going to be throwing for a ton of passing touchdowns. Right. But again, when you're looking at just pure passing volume, the yardage could be there.
And then additionally, the rushing yardage as well, that could inflate him into a top fifteen finish this year, definitely into the streaming consideration at several points. Guys, I'm going to mention Joe Buhrow as someone who just continually creeps up my rankings just steadily. He's rising now. I've got him all the way up at QB fifteen on the year. I could even make a case that he could be even higher than that as like a borderline QB twelve QB one there.
So this is a guy who's rising in my rankings. I love his opportunity. Not crazy about his matchup in week one, but yet after that I think it lightens up and I think he could absolutely contribute for your roster. Daniel Jones is going to be the guy that I'm talking about who's falling down my rankings. We've talked about his schedule consistently, that he goes up against a gauntlet of top defenses. And again, we can sit here and a lot can change by the time that we get to week six.
Right. But as we're looking at these defenses now, we're saying that I'm not going to be recommending, at least right now, I'm not going to be recommending Daniel Jones as a starter until like week twelve against Cincinnati. That's how good these defenses are that he's going up against and with his fumbling and interception issues, just not someone that I want to rely on. So, again, he could be throwing the ball a ton, but with these interceptions, it brings him down my rankings.
So that is a guy that I am definitely fading. Let's talk about those two guys super quick before we move on to tight ends. Tagg's, I know that you're on the job. Crosseyed where are you landing with Daniel Jones right now, though? Yeah.
Daniel Jones is one of those guys that you could take to quarterback formats, but I'm not drafting him in standard leagues because again, that that if you if you're drafting a quarterback and you're playing that approach, you want to hold on to him, especially early in the season, those bench spots that you have in leagues, especially this year with all the bad stuff going on, those bench spots are so valuable. And if you're not going to use Daniel Jones for the first three weeks, you're better off letting else someone else draft him and then they're going to drop him.
And at some point you could pick him up and kind of see what happens. But I'm not expecting much at the beginning. I have my QB sixteen right now because I do think at the end of the year. All things will even out with his rushing totals and that, but I would rather take someone like Joe Burrow than Daniel Jones. Just in super quick, where are you at with Daniel Jones?
Yeah, Tag's nailed it right there. I feel the exact same way that I think he's going to have an OK season.
But I think it's really unfortunate that that schedule is so tough early on. And you are probably to be able to get him on the waiver wire in week five or weeks six or something like that. But he has so many weapons there like I and the rushing ability, I do still think that he'll he'll be able to win you some fantasy games, but it might not be till the second half of the year. And Burrows, so intriguing because that whole range there, I mean, Jared Goff and Ben Roethlisberger and Bororo.
And if you want to go a little bit deeper and say like Minshew and Bridgewater, there are so many interesting quarterbacks in that range who I think could sneak in to the low end of that top 12 and maybe be low end QB ones on the year. All right.
Let's move over to tight ends here. Tagg's, let's go to you. Who are your two guys? One that's rising and one that's falling.
Yeah, Blake, Darwin has moved up. My rankings continually does. And by the way, guys, can I just say that the Cowboys, we hurt you. Justin, you mentioned about KD Lamb earlier. You walk through this, OK? We have a Gary Cooper, who's obviously one of the most talented wide receivers in the league. We have Michael Gallop, who Mike McCarthy said as a wide receiver. One, we have KD Lamb, who's the next coming of Calvin Johnson.
Apparently we have Blake jawin. Who's dominating? Is there anybody we have not heard about is the Cowboys. They all can't be great. Like, let's understand that. But at the tight end position, that's one we're targets. That's what matters. This is the same offensive coordinator walking into twenty. Twenty is a team that targeted the tight end position. One hundred and twenty two or 124 times last year jawin. James Jason Witten is gone. And it's like even though I'm going to get targets, let's not pretend that Randall Cobb wasn't there last year.
He saw eighty two targets. So even if we pump up Cedi Lamb to one hundred targets, which I think is reaching a little bit, you're taking off eighteen targets and the Titans are still a hundred targets there. There is no competition for jawin. I would so much rather have Blake Jared on my roster than someone like, like Austin Hooper, who's gone much like way before him. I would rather have him than someone like Jared Cook and I'd rather have him before.
No offense. Who is the guy who has fallen down my draft boards? Let's touch on Fant.
They're really quick because Darwin's just foreshadowing here. Darwin's my guy, too. So let's touch on your super quick. Why exactly is he falling down? Is it because you move Jerry Judy up?
Yeah, I moved Judy up. Obviously, Cortland Sutton's a guy that's going to get targeted. You go to last year and even actually when you lock him in the lineup and got targeted less, I think he averaged like three targets per game when Drew Lock was under center. And then you add in, you know, Judy, you Adam Kammler, you add in Melvin Gordon to this offense and all of a sudden there's a lot of guys fighting for targets here.
And it's not to say that no offense, not a good football player. I think he can. And I think eventually he's going to be one of those tight ends we talk about is maybe a top five option. I just don't think that there's enough room in this offense right now for him to get. I don't even think he's going to get seventy five targets this year. I would actually be shocked if he saw more than 70. And when you're seeing that amount of targets, it's really tough to to break out as a tight end.
So I've moved him down my list in favor of guys that have higher projected targets like Blake Darwin, and they drafted another tight end and Albert out about them. Right.
Like and he has even gotten some some hype a little bit in camp that maybe he could be like a red zone guy there for them and syphoned just a few touchdowns.
And that hurts to I've felt way down at tight end twenty at this point.
And he's not somebody that I've ended up with very much, if that's fair.
All right. Let's go to you, Justin. Who are these guys that you want to highlight of the tight end position? A Hawkinson is mine. I mean, there's a reason why this guy was one of the best tight end prospects coming out and a teammate of Fant. And I think at this point right now, they're going in slightly different directions. And I know there's a lot of target competition on both those teams. But, man, we are hearing so many positive things about Hawkinson.
You have the injury that shortened last year for him and kind of derailed his season. Yeah, that big early game. But that was also against the Cardinals. And we found out they were terrible at defending tight end. So we're not going to overrate that game too much. But, you know, the only negative right now is that Hawkinson said that he's 100 percent, but he still feels that ankle. But to me, that's just a young player learning to come back from injury.
Right. And he's still mindful of the ankle. But everything we're hearing out of camp is just beat writers gushing about him, that he's toying with linebackers and DBS, that he's out muscling them and jumping them and just beating them to the ball. And I think that was the quote by Chris Burke. Actually, we use used outmuscle, go jumping, all that stuff.
And I think the only the only DB that they said had any sort of success against him was Tracy Walker. And even then it wasn't that much. So you just had all these quotes. I mean, Kyle Manque had a quote that Hawkinson is going to be, you know, much greater in the receiving game this year. And he said he can't emphasize it enough, especially down field. So they are using him in that way. They are trying to get him involved.
They spent very high draft capital to get him. And, you know, I've said it before on my show, you don't want to just base your opinion on one beat writer, but when you're hearing it from all of the beat writers, that's when you know something's happening. You can feel very confident about it. And yeah, I think Hawkinson is going to be great, I think it's only just been a question of when that was going to happen.
And right now, to me, it seems like things are lining up, that this could be the year or so I've moved him ahead of, like even Gronk. At this point, I have him ranked as a low and tight end one. And I think at some point soon we are going to see him as a top five fantasy tight end. And maybe, maybe it could be this year for a fall, though. Maybe Mike is Seki and it's not even his fault.
It's just because I thought Preston Williams is going to take longer to get back from this torn ACL. I thought he was going to be slow to begin the season, but it looks like he's firing on all cylinders. He's making plays in practice. The beat writers don't seem concerned about that injury. So, you know, that will hurt Gorski's outlook unless Devante Parker's injury turns out to be something. And now Devante Parker has missed like a week of practice, I believe.
So we'll see where he's at early in the season. Maybe that'll keep Korski still up a little higher, but that's the one for me that I was really interested in him. And now I'm kind of shying away and starting to grab some of those other late round breakout guys over koseki now.
Yeah, no, that makes sense. I mean, Hawkinson being ranked as a low and tight and one is a little too rich for me personally. I still have him down because you're looking at Marv. As long as Marvin Jones is on the field, I don't know if there's enough passing volume in this offense. Now, you can talk about, though, if DeAndre Swift doesn't come back fully healthy and is ready to go week one, then they might have to throw the ball a little bit more than they were anticipating.
That can create some volume, an opportunity there for Hokanson. So. So I'm not necessarily there with you, but throw these guys into a blender, right.
Throw them all into a blender from tight end 12 to 20. And one of them is one of them is going to break out maybe two of them. Right. Like do with these guys are going to break out. So Hawkinson has the talent, right? He has the talent to absolutely do it. So I get a Geno Smith in that blender he would be in. Well, yes, he's in that blender. But I'm like, yes, yeah.
That's a weird comparison with Johnny Smith there. Anyway, anyway, for me, the guy that I talked about, Blake Darwin, is a guy who's rising up. My ranking is the guy who just consistently falls down as Rob Gronkowski. I mean, we haven't seen Gronk fully healthy and in football shape. Right. He lost so much weight last season after not playing. He's trying to put it all back on or at least to the point where he's in football shape.
And from what we're seeing is that I think and this is partly to do, too, because OJ Howard has been receiving a ton of buzz coming out of Bucks camp. And so if you can rely on OJ Howard and then bring Gronk on only in red zone situations where you don't have to have him on the field in these blocking situations or out running routes where he can get his energy, can get zapped really early, you can bring him on in the part of the field that he is excellent at.
So he could still finish with, you know, six plus receiving touchdowns on the season. But as far as a target total, that's going to come crashing down. I think I don't think we're going to see anywhere close to the type of Gronk that we've seen in previous years. And he's going as a tenth tienen off the board right now in ADP. That's just someone who just consistently falls further down my board with OJ Howard coming up, because I think his involvement is going to be a little bit more.
So Tagg's, really quick here on Gronk. You kind of in agreement there that we could see OJ Howard it more of a factor.
Yeah, I'm so torn on this one because I, I felt like Gronk was like a safe, low end, tight end one. He wasn't going to win you a fantasy league, but he going to be fine with Brady because that was the one guy that he was like, you know, he had some chemistry with coming over from obviously the Patriots. But I'm with you because Peter King, a guy that's continually plugged in with NFL teams, he said that it's very possible that Gronk ranks third on the box in tight end snaps.
That's terrible. If he's not on the field and he's only coming on the field and like RedZone packages or whatever, he's going to crush you and he's going to be, you know, nothing more than a touchdown dependent streamer, which we could have said about someone like Darren Fells last year. So I don't think you would be drafting Darren at ten overall. But again, it is Rob Gronkowski. He is one of the greatest, if not the greatest tight end of all time.
So I want to give him some credit. But at the same time, I don't know what that year away from football to do him.
Yeah, I think the only spot that I got Gronk this year was in skop fishbowl, and that's tight end premium. And he felt I was just waiting for value wherever it was going to end up. And Gronk felt a tight end. Sixteen. And at that point I was like, absolutely, that's fantastic value. But the more I look at it now with these reports coming out, like you said with Peter King, maybe that's more where he actually should be ranked, right?
No, that's right. Where I have met I've met Titan fifteen. And I can even make the case that if he is going to come on in these red zone packages, that you could be even further down to that.
So. All right, guys, that is going to do it for today's show. Justin, we know that this time of year is insane, so we appreciate you carving out some time to chat with us, man. Yeah.
Always appreciate you guys having me on. And good luck this year and good luck in the accuracy contest and all that. It should be a very interesting and chaotic season, that's for sure.
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