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We are discussing the first ever PG 13 movie from Disney. It's Pirates of the Caribbean, The Curse of the Black Pearl from 2003 Savvy.

Welcome back to Film On the Rocks, the movie podcast where we like to have fun with movies, I'm Rucka and today I am joined by my good buddy, Nate. Nate, how are you doing?

You're doing great. I'm doing all right. Oh, jeez.

Very appropriate. Today is a very special episode because we are joined by two awesome guests. We are joined by Caleb and Jonathan of the All Brose podcast. Thank you guys so much for joining us. How long have you been podcasting? And can you tell us a little bit about yourself and your show?

Yeah, so we've been podcasting for three years just now, started to kind of figure out how things go with all this stuff. But we're a movie review podcast, kind of like you guys. But with us, we give movies letter grade because we feel like critics nowadays are just kind of. Very bias on their on their scores, they try to grade the movie as a whole and not as the individual aspects of the movie, because you can have like a really crap movie, but a really awesome aspect to it.

So we thought we would make a better grading system for it. And also, we are aspiring filmmakers. So we also pitch movie ideas that we occasionally have, so.

Oh, nice. That's very cool. Yeah. Well, thank you guys so much for joining us. This is quite the little collaboration we got going on. So we have gathered from three different time zones in four different states on these airwaves to discuss the Pirates of the Caribbean, the curse of the Black Pearl from 2003. I guess I'll go ahead and go over the playmakers for this movie. So this movie came out in 2003 and it was directed by Gore Verbinski, who also directed the ring in Mouse Hunt, which is a mouse hunt, is a movie of my childhood that I watched over and over and over.

I remember it. Yeah, that was a good one. This movie is written by Ted Elliott and Terry Rosacea, or Rosio, who both wrote Shrek in Aladdin. These two writers were actually were brought onto this project from Jerry Bruckheimer, who's the executive producer of this movie. They were the two writers that were their biggest contribution to the script, I think was that they added in the whole curse element. And like, you know, the the curse of the black pearl element was their ideas, which I think is a significant portion of this plot and something that really makes the movie stick out.

This movie stars Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, Orlando Bloom, Keira Knightley, Jack Davenport and Jonathan Pryce. Johnny Depp was actually nominated for best actor in a leading role when this movie came out. Interesting.

That's awesome. I did not know that. Yeah, he's great. And he was great. He is good.

He does become the icon of this franchise, doesn't he?

Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, in this movie in particular, I thought somebody else stuck out, but he was fantastic, to be completely honest.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a lot of fun and still just kind of surprises me like really like the like the Oscar for best, like for a leading role like OK, just kind of surprised me a little bit and I say his bad is just, you know, like that pirate movie, that guy.

OK, so talking about the money about this movie. So this so this movie was released in 2003 when the average movie ticket price was six dollars and three cents. Thank you to everybody from our Instagram that replied with a guess for how much money that this movie made. I'm going to ask the room first. How much money does everybody think that this movie made worldwide?

Six hundred and seventy three million. That's a good guess.

That's a very specific answer. The number just came to me. It just came up that I know, considering this was like the movie that started when the disease biggest franchises. And I hear, like, so many people want to go see it and I think on repeated viewings. So I'm going to say 700 million even.

That's about where I was at two. That's exactly what I was thinking. 700 million.

That's I think that's enough for Disney to be like, oh, yeah, all good guesses. And thank you to everybody that replied to our Take a Shot post on Instagram. So we've got a couple of replies, Scotty, from Shoot the flick replied a shit ton. So that is a that's a good, excellent answer.

I wonder what the inflation of a shit ton is. Dustin Dustin can read against 650 million and so did Henry Breen from Instagram guest 650 million. So here are all the numbers. So this movie had a budget of one hundred and forty million dollars. It made forty six point six million its opening weekend and it grossed over 654 million dollars worldwide.

Damn huge, but close because especially the people on Instagram, they get six fifty. So, yeah, that was very close.

Wow.

I suspect Google was their friend. Disney kind of went on like a magical run in 2003. So in that year, they had Pirates of the Caribbean, Finding Nemo, Freaky Friday, the haunted mansion holes and the Lizzie McGuire movie all come out in the same year. Oh, I had no shit.

Yeah, but I had no idea that the haunted mansion was released the same year. I think it's cool that both movies based on rights. Right. It's the exact same year. That's awesome. Yes.

Yes. That is super cool. And I, I think I saw like most of this list in theaters. I can't remember if I saw Holes or the Lizzie McGuire movie theaters. But I mean, it doesn't it seem like that Pirates and Finding Nemo came out like five years apart from each other, like it just in your memory?

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely.

So did everybody see this movie in theaters?

I didn't. I didn't either, I rented it when it first came to Blockbuster, that's what I remember. Oh, a family movie night.

That's such a cool, nostalgic memory. So did you see this in theaters? Yeah, I was like 11.

So it seems like like a Friday. See it with your friends type of movie. Yeah, I saw this I saw this in theaters twice and I was in the third grade. I was so excited for this movie. This this was just like the super fun adventure action movie that Disney needed to kind of pull in that male audience, I think. And this movie delivered. It's just it's so good. It's so much fun. But what's everybody's opinion on this movie?

Do you like it or do you kind of are kind of lukewarm on it? What's what's everybody kind of feeling about this movie?

I liked it. I liked it when I first saw it and I loved it the this most recent launch, to be completely honest. I thought it was it was so much fun. It was kind of a breath of fresh air based on all the things I had been watching. So, yeah, I really enjoyed it.

Yeah. I, I forgot how enjoyable this movie was because I have I haven't watched it in years. I've seen like the other ones here and there, but I like this particular one I haven't seen in years and I, I forgot how much fun it was. Honestly, the only thing that ruins the movie for me is Keira Knightley character really was shot tonight. Well, that's a handsome I. I do not like her in this. I think her and Wiltern are so annoying.

I agree. I agree with Bill Turner. Yeah. Linda Bloom was not for this movie, but Keira Knightley.

She was my crush for years because I thought that she had like a very strong character. And that's in the franchise, sort of like follows her development a little bit throughout the other sequels, but especially in that third movie. But my my biggest nit pick about this movie is that it's two and a half hours. This this movie really needs to be like a tight like hundred hundred and five minutes I think would be so much better.

Yeah, I'll definitely give you the it doesn't feel that long like I think there's definitely some areas where they can like clip but it does not feel that long.

Yeah. Kalabi, I completely agree with you. Usually I'm like the first person to complain whenever a movie is like over an hour, 20 an hour and a half. But this one I was, I didn't check my phone, I didn't really I didn't check out at any point. It kind of kept me engaged throughout. So like, I completely agree with you, it didn't feel like a long movie then.

I feel bad for checking the how much time was left on this movie.

Then I did that a couple of times. I did it a couple of times now.

Oh, that's my gauge. Because, I mean, I have no aspirations at all to get into, like, being a movie critic or, you know, just film in general. So I feel like I have a very, like, average person's gauge on movies. So I just kind of if I check my phone or if I'm checking the time, I'm like, OK, that's my gauge. And whether or not this kind of this movie was getting my attention or not, I will say it does move like pretty fast because, I mean, because it doesn't really drag because there's there's a lot of action like set pieces in this movie because it's not a boring movie.

Like there's a lot of action. The beginning, it was really only like two or three minutes of like slow down dialogue in between fights. So I will say this movie does move. So it does like kind of keep your interest that way. It absolutely does. So it's looking on rotten tomatoes. So the tomato meter has this at a 79 percent in the audience score is at an 86 percent. I think I lean more audience score on that.

I would probably give this like a like an 87 percent maybe like like a high eighty is kind of like where I'm at.

Yeah. In eighty seven I think the tomato meter tomato meter score is complete trash to you.

Can they really knock this movie down a couple of notches but doesn't deserve it. I'd say a solid 85 and that's, that's more than fair. That's. I mean, like we said, that's why we created the R. R rating system to be a little bit more fair, because I think critics were just being overly harsh on this, because I think you can definitely see where the places where critics could just rip this movie apart. But that's not the point.

Like, this is a, you could pay attention to this movie and have like a fantastic time or you could just kind of have this going in the background and still have an amazing time. Mm hmm. Like, it's. Yeah, because good dynamic movie in that way. Yeah.

Because if you zone out you're going to zone back into a different swordfight. So you had the music to the music really pulls you in.

So definitely kind of the music is great and this is amazing. Yes. I think it's a Hans Zimmer score actually, which surprises me because it's so different from his other movies scores that he's done. But it's great.

Yeah, I feel the classic pirates theme ranks for me, at least with like Star Wars as the most iconic. Like I I automatically recognize what movie it comes from, whatever it plays. That's bold.

Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Caleb. I'm being bullied. It's bull.

But I think it's true, though, because, like. Yeah, it's so unmistakable and you know exactly that. This always brings me back to this movie specifically.

I don't think about the franchise as a whole, but I always go back to this movie specifically when I say, yeah, I don't think I really think of the sequels too much, to be completely honest, when it comes to these guys. I don't think I've seen them multiple times like I've seen this one.

Yeah, I still find it crazy Dead Man's Chest and the Worlds at Worlds and came out a year apart. That's that's just so crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Back to back sequels. That's crazy. They were just like they just like a two parter and so OK.

I mean they all follow the same storyline because wasn't there like a three year gap between the curse of the black pearl and dead man's chest?

I think so. And like this one really sticks out from the curse of the black pearl, sticks out a lot from like the rest of the franchise, because even though, like, the direct sequels from this do follow the same characters and somewhat of a similar plot line, this one just sticks out so much because I kind of jumped the gun a little bit. But my biggest complaint about this franchise as a whole is that they cannot make up their mind about the tone, like what tone they want to have, because this one is just fun, adventure, action.

You know, we're pirates were jumping from ship, the ship and the other ones. It's like very dark and kind of like like so heavy in pirate lore. And like, we got to get into this. Like, this is serious mean. We're talking about pirate lore, Davy Jones, like they take it, they take it so seriously. And then, like, the fourth movie is just horrible. It's they like kind of go with like trying to be like slapsticky, kind of like slapstick comedy almost.

And it's just like pick pick a tone or a theme or something like these guys, Aziza's pirates. It's so annoying.

But this one OK, this one's great. I have a I have a comment to that. And it's kind of a theory as to why that's the case, because I had the same thought as you, Broecker. Not definitely not as a thought out. It was more of just, oh, this is probably why. And I think it's because. So Pirates of the Caribbean is kind of like an original movie, wouldn't you say? Because I think this whole movie is based off of one short little snippet on a ride that Disney had.

It's like watching the documentary on. Exactly. Yeah, it's still there. Well, I didn't know that a bit, but it's like a very quick ride.

They updated it actually pretty recently and it includes more of the the movie Jack Sparrow probably.

But I actually went on that ride before Pirates came out. I think, dude lucky or it was like that.

I think it was I went in to Disneyland in between the first and the second one. So I don't think like the franchise has picked up the steam yet, but just come out because I don't think they added Jack Barbosa or any other of the characters from the movie until like 2007 to the right. Yeah, I definitely went before 2007 started. Well, I. Yeah, so.

Yeah, no need to jump on a bit on the road are you talking about. No, no.

I mean it's cool. It's a fun experience. I'm glad we got to like take a walk down memory lane for that. Oh no. But I was thinking this because I don't think that Disney's super original but when I do think they make their own like original films, they just pull out for the first one because they're like. You know, putting people in all sorts of like like for Finding Nemo, they had people take like classes on fish, like ichthyology and like oceanography and stuff like that, just like marine biology, just to, like, learn about the environment.

So they kind of go all out for the first one. And I feel like that's what they did with this one. Like they took a whole bunch of cool, like, pirate aspects and, you know, pop culture, things that we all like have known and come and come to love. But then for the sequels is kind of just like what we kind of did everything.

I don't really I don't really know what to go off of because I feel like right now they go off of a lot of like I mean, they're strictly just going off of comic books right now with like Avengers and stuff. So like it's stuff that's kind of already written out. They're just like, oh, what looks best in a movie? And the same could be the case for like all of the fairytales that movies that we've seen up to this point is that they're all based on some sort of folklore at some point in time.

So it's already some drawn out story. They just make it more kid friendly. And I feel like that was the case for this one, is that they just kind of ran out of their big guns and they kind of just pulled out a bunch of little pistols to kind of, you know, shoot at this guy and see what they had. I wonder if if they were like, all right, what's our least popular ride? Oh, that's slow moving pirates' thing.

Well, as popular as it was, make a movie around it without the tickets. I do agree with you a lot. I think that's a really good point, Nate, because this movie does you could just kind of tell how much work went into this, because it feels I don't mean I don't know if it is accurate, but it feels super authentic. I don't. Oh, you're kind of wishy washy on that. Now, I'll get into that story.

I was going to say, well, I don't know about the history, but I was going to say like it, like the costumes and everything look like of the time at least I think they do. I don't know. And then like the whole like the the brain, the the branding of like the P for pirate on Jack's wrist. But I feel like this movie has a lot of like kind of that texture that it needs to have to like, set it in that time and everything.

And it's great. I think it's good. And like I loved like all like the swords, like the little like all like the pirate pistols that they have. It is as good. So I do I do feel like they went all out in that kind of aspect to like set it in its time.

Very fun. And I love how it's like still in that setting. And even like the time period they set it in the movie set in 1720 and even during that time period was like the golden age of piracy. So it makes sense. So it's like they actually like at least looked up on Wikipedia, you know, like a basis of history.

We did some research.

Yeah. Since we're talking about a or. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Now, I was just going to say I really like the Easter eggs for the ride, like the like when they're on tour to again the guy sitting underneath all the barrels and they're just like, all right. Basically like drowning him and rum like that was one of the characters in the ride that really stuck out to me in the the dog with the keys in his mouth.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's, that's I feel that's the one that everyone knows. I was going to ask since I mentioned the wardrobe, because I believe isn't that a is that a category on your show that you all agreed the costume costumes.

Yeah. What kind of grade would you give this movie for costumes. I think the costumes are pretty spot on.

I think I'd be leaning like towards a nine. No, because there were just a couple that pulled me out. Caleb, I got to disagree. I got to give this one of the ten out of ten for costumes.

I could easily be talked to, easily be talked into a tad. It's just personally I'm leaning a little bit. So you said you can be easily talked up to attend. Yeah. Change your score to attend.

They're doing OK. Not much of a fun. Yeah. You know, I thought you guys have had to go into this whole thing. I was like, oh yeah, I did crack this beer.

I'm not to sit back and listen to when we disagree, we get into it. Oh, I had a fight him.

I had to fight him just to give what was it, the Halloween soundtrack and the original like. Yeah. Do what.

The Beatles. Yeah, I listen to that story was a great score. I think we set on a nine out of ten didn't we. Can. I think we did. I'd have to look but yeah that was like a huge fight. All right.

Well I got I got another question for the floor that we might debate. So this is a big question. I think so for the character of Wil Turner, too, it was narrowed down to two actors, Heath Ledger and Orlando Bloom Heath.

OK, all right. Yeah, OK. Also say he doesn't even have to think about it. I think that this movie would be better with Heath Ledger.

So you think? I think he would have played off better with Johnny Depp, this man, like they're like one in the same, you know, so I've actually only ever seen one performance of Heath Ledger, The Dark Knight.

So if I'm basing off that, I'd say. Yes, if you see A Knight's Tale for sure, that's a good one. OK, OK. My references, 10 things I hate about you.

I've always wanted to see that. OK, here's a great movie. Honestly, he was great in it. Or about the Patriot Act.

That was really, oh, the page, because that was kind of like sort of in this kind of I kind of I just kind of I mean, they're not in this well now. No, no. Yeah.

It's like 60 years later. Hey, Orlando Bloom was kind of cool in Troy. He was such a weenie.

And just the way I was trying to give a like I don't think Orlando Bloom was a bad actor. I mean, you know, he's fine. He's good looking. You know, he he gets the job done. But I feel like because I feel like you're watching this movie and Disney can't figure out who like who's the toy from this, like who's the action figure people are going to want. And like, I feel like they're trying to push Orlando Bloom at one point just because he was because the reason why he got the role over Heath Ledger is because he was in or he was in the Lord of the Rings movies.

And they thought, OK, they'll draw that crowd and that's why he got it. But I feel like if Heath Ledger is in it, he would have fleshed out the character so much more and would have been like you were going to study out of this instead of just Jack Sparrow.

Yeah, I think if you wanted to sum up Orlando Bloom's performance, you could just show the scene where him and Jack are, commandeer the Dauntless. And when he comes out from in the beginning, yeah, in the beginning, when he comes down, he's just like outcast. And I think, like, you could just take that clip and be like, this is everything you need to know about his character.

I'm not maybe I'm like, I actually did not hate his performance. So, no, I loved every scene with him and Jack.

I don't hate it. I just know it could have been better just knowing that it could have been Heath Ledger made me immediately go, oh, fuck on.

Like I could have had two and a half hours of that. All right. OK, OK, that's that's fair. That's fair. Yeah.

I also think he didn't really have any sort of like identity in the movie too, because he I mean, for the most of the movie he didn't really know who he was. Right. So in that sense. But I'm talking, talking in terms of like costume. It's a burqa. You're mentioning he was going to be like the action figure. I mean, it's very obviously, Jack, even like going into the film, not seeing his character, because Orlando Bloom's character, like his outfit, is just so plain.

And then when he finally does get like something that kind of sticks out, he looks like a Three Musketeers.

And, you know, it's true. You know, like and they don't rush and they don't hate they don't like repeat that in the sequels like that had is gone. Yeah. I'm waiting for I suddenly got some flares. I'm waiting for that spin off Pirates of the Caribbean. What happened to Will's had like I'm waiting for that.

Oh, he really just you like kind of ruined that scene for me.

I was like, oh, brose got some pizzazz. Where did this come from?

Johnny Depp saved that scene any time that they were like back to back. He like swooshes feather away.

Yeah. He really was like a very good like situational actor with everything maybe like really interacted with his environment. I love that. Yeah, I know this movie sent Centralised on on Jack Sparrow and Wil Turner, but Captain Barbossa stole the show.

Yes, I thought he was the best part of this entire movie.

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

He I mean, literally, when we were going over quotes before this thing even started, literally all of our quotes, Captain Barbossa, his the dude is the most quotable character.

He has the the best like accent. He's got the best sound out of all the pirates. He sounds the most piracy.

And I don't even I don't know, man. The guy's just got some flair to him the way he carries himself. He's got a frickin monkey like. I know. I just really I really enjoyed him as a character and I didn't realize that until this time around. Yeah, I'd have to agree.

Everyone always just says, oh, Johnny Depp is the best part of this franchise. No, I think it's what's his name? Is it Jeffrey Wright or Geoffrey Rush? Geoffrey Rush. Geoffrey Rush. I feel he's been the best part of this friend since the beginning. He's amazing.

Yeah, he's been very consistent and he's great. Like Geoffrey Rush is just like he is a full on, just like buying into everything. And he does an awesome job at it. Like, I agree with everything that you had to say, Nate, is do I?

I feel like you also agree. But in the film. Sorry I cut you off now.

I was just saying I think like throughout the series, he definitely did the best until they made him a frickin pretty boy in what was it, the fourth one? The fourth movie is such dark shit.

Yeah, it's I will say the coolest thing. He has a peg leg in that movie and he uses it as like a what was he like. He like holds beer in it or something. So that's like the coolest things. Like a flask. Yeah. Let's go. Oh that's interesting. Yeah.

But if I would like to take every once every character from like the I'll, I'll just say that the trilogy I would put Geoffrey Rush at the top then I'm like I can flip flop either way but I'm going to put Davy Jones is number two because I feel loved and you feel OK.

Yeah. And Johnny Depp. Why are you saying, dude, you're a dude.

I frigging love Davy Jones. Yeah, he's good. He's good. In the sequels. I would say I would have to have Keira Knightley in that top three because I feel like she really carries.

Oh, I seriously, I would I think she's she's just I think she does a great job. I think she carries this movie at a certain point.

I have to be really sorry. Oh, no, no, no. I was just saying this. Geoffrey Rush needs to have a good acting partner for like the thing about like most of the most of his scenes in this movie is him talking to Elizabeth. And she has to carry that conversation in like in a good way. I feel like she does a great job, especially when she, like, tricks the crew, when she pretends to drop the medallion, like, I just feel like she just nails it.

I thought that she did a really good job. Yeah, I absolutely agree.

I agree with everything you said. Breuker like seriously, even to the top three, though. I actually would. I think that's bull. She's definitely beating what OK from this movie.

I actually know it. I'm going to go say the top three in the other movies as well. I don't know, because she's definitely beating Orlando Bloom. Yeah. Like he's out of it.

And you could probably get even my top ten.

He's in there with Amir.

The guy with the parrot is ranked above Orlando Bloom, and then the pair is above him.

He's the third to Orlando Bloom slam session real quick of Orlando Rose.

He's literally so great, but just not this movie.

Let's do we if you replaced Orlando Bloom with Heath Ledger and Keira Knightley with literally anyone else, OK, look, no, she's she's great for the movie.

Yeah, I completely disagree with you.

She was so popular. She was 17. She was 17 when she did this. Holy shit.

Yeah.

Everybody immediately feels like yeah, I will say my crush developed when I was eleven, so it was great. Yeah. OK, all right.

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I think anybody who. Hated on the Commodore, needed an accountability buddy, because this you're giving me faces, giving me faces, this guy I know he was like such a big hole in the beginning, but he was like kind of a stand up guy like. So he proposes to Elizabeth. And as you would expect from someone of his stature, a character like himself, you know, like head of the military kind of guy, that you would expect him to, like, force himself on her.

He didn't do this. He kind of like gave her her time to kind of think about it. Right.

And then when she escapes and she gets away, like he doesn't have some sort of evil plot to get her back and then forced her into marriage, when he gets her back, he, like, listens to her and learns that she doesn't want to be with him. She was like, you know what, you're right. Go on. And then he even like he's kind of understanding when it came to killing Jack because he's like, you know, I just let him go.

We'll get him tomorrow. But, you know, today I'm in mourning because my heart's been broken. Right.

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You know, I'm not done with this point yet. So, yeah. So I feel like that you are completely glossing over the little fact that at the beginning of the movie, Norrington, who is already like in the Navy, is like babysitting little tiny like Elizabeth Swan. So that age difference is has got to be OK.

We didn't we didn't know she was seventeen before I was a little kid before this recording, like in the movie, she's a kid and he's already a grown ass adult in the Navy. And then we fast forward eight years later, you know what I'm saying?

Does anybody else see what I'm saying?

I saying and she says, I'm not taking it from the standpoint of he was like looking at her as a child, I'm going to marry you one day.

But he's not Hugh Hefner. I'm not saying he's right.

I'm saying when he was of age. Right. And she was of age, I guess in that time he proposed to her. Right. And it wasn't weird at that time.

Like, I'm sure people marry their babysitters. Oh, I'm sure that the thing married to babysitters all the time.

Oh, yeah. That's back when people died at like, what, fifty. Yeah. Not even that.

I'm pretty sure life expectancy was like thirty four.

So he's like already. She's already, she's already mid-life.

Oh. Oh my goodness. All right. So let's get into the drinking rules. Nate, would you please start us off with your drinking rules.

OK, so I got a few drink every time Jack steals or lies about something. Uh, chug every time Jack correct. Someone when they say his title wrong, which I wrote that at the beginning of the movie, turns out it only happened twice. So let's change that to finish your drink. I did say that the same exact thing.

Yeah, the same thing. You were you also disappointed?

Yes, I was pissed of that rule. Yeah. Um, drink whenever the black pearl is said, every time you hear the title captain or pirate, you can kind of flip flop between the two. We'll just say pirate for this one. Uh, take a drink every time we see an apple. Which that is, yeah, cure scurvy significant and then and then waterfall or finish your drink whenever there is a slowmo queen drop scene, there's three and they're spaced out perfectly.

Oh, that's a fantastic one. I love this is a curated list.

So you're going to be nice and nice and. Yeah, you're going to be you can be wobbly.

You can be thinking you're walking on two peg legs by the end of this movie.

So first one I got is take a drink every time Barbossa Screw becomes skeleton's. It's a great Zeins. Don't yes. To the special effects really hold up in this movie. It's amazing. Mm hmm.

It's more of a challenge than a drinking rule. That's true. You're applauding Disney.

Take a drink every time Righetti falls out. I think it's like four or five times, that's a good well, that's a good rule. I'm also very impressed that you knew his name because I've seen. I was going to say 15 times, I don't know his name.

Dude, Rose has the most random movie knowledge of any person I've ever met.

Take a drink every time Jack mentions rum. I don't think it's actually as much as I thought it was is a pretty heavy metal scene. Yeah.

So, um, and the number four is take a drink whenever. What is a Jack says he's just like, let this be the day that you remember where you are. He is like, say you almost caught Jack Sparrow or you almost killed Jack. Any time he says something like that, take a drink. That's a good one. And then he does something completely stay out of these great rules.

Yes. All right. So I had one similar to Nate. Any time that he corrects someone when they don't or when they just call him Jack Sparrow and he's like Captain, another one was any time like shit. Seems like it should hit the fan, but doesn't for Jack.

And the scene that stuck out to me the most is when he's running away at the beginning and he just happens to have like a little lever that lifts him out of the way.

He's swinging around, not getting shot at all, happens to find like a frickin zip line. I'm also thinking, like in the when he's in prison and. Well, just happens to come down and let them out. Yeah, when he's in the black pearl and the door just happens to get blown open. So any time that that's.

Yeah, any time you're like, you know, oh, any time someone thinks that Jack is incompetent and he happens to just prove them wrong, either on accident or on purpose, like I'm thinking with Will.

And when they're under the the boat and he's like this is either complete madness or complete brilliance because he and he or he's just like, it's funny how often those two coincide.

I've always wanted to replicate that. Like, that's that underwater scene with the canoe I've always wanted to do, dude. Me too.

Let's see, any time it cuts to like an epic scene, I'm going to say like a finish your drink. And the scene I'm thinking of is when Barbosa tells all the pirates to take a walk and they're walking underwater.

That's a hard scene. Yeah, it's like Jonathans. Yeah.

Yeah.

And then the last one I had was any time you just think this is awesome because I thought that I was like, this is great.

Very consistent rules throughout the movie. Just kind of sitting at you, just kind of sipping the whole time. It's fine. Yeah. This is like I'm getting I'm getting drunk at three p.m. sort of thing. Yeah.

And then you pointed out something to hilarious to me was that how everybody thinks Jack's incompetent. And I think that was kind of like my favorite aspect of this whole this whole movie, because everyone was like so annoyed with Jack Sparrow. But he, like, keeps them on their toes, like they don't want to hear him out. But then he'll like say something that kind of piques their interest and they're just like, fuck, yeah, go on.

Like when Jack's trying to convince the Commodore to do the whole thing, to like to get the black pearl pirates, um, that whole scene.

Anyways, he is the Commodore doesn't want to listen to him, but he's like, you make a good point.

OK, go on. And he's super annoyed about it or when he's about or Barbosa is about to kill.

Well, and he's like your funeral. Yeah.

So little like shit I think. Yeah. He's like, OK, go ahead, speak.

I think my favorite example of that is when it's when Norrington says you were the worst pirate ever heard of you guys, but you have heard of me and he just doesn't have a retort to that.

He's just like good rules. So my rules are silver tongue, so I love it, whatever. So I love it. Like whenever Jack kind of Wordplay does sort of like confuse people or he's just kind of rambling like, where the fuck is he going with this? So I kind of had to drink whenever he's doing that. I think a great example is when he uses it on those two British soldiers that we see throughout the movie and like the first time he meets them and they're kind of he like gets them to argue about the black pearl, whether or not it's a myth and they're just kind of bickering about it and he just goes off.

It's great. So whenever he kind of has, like, that silver tongue trick. Which also leads me to my second rule, those same two British soldiers I just met or I just discussed a drink every time, they are just blatantly giving you exposition to what the hell's going on in this movie.

And furthermore, they do that a handful of times. It's just like, whoa, I'm kind of laws. So this movie's over two hours, what's going on? And they do that. So drink whenever they're just giving exposition, a drink every time a sword fight breaks out, which is a lot. I also had a drink every time that the skeletons are shown by moonlight had that same rule as Jonathan.

And then I had to drink every time that the Aztek that the Aztec golden medallion makes an appearance. So just like whenever you spot it, take a drink or like be the first one. If you're playing with friends, be like the first one to spot it and then like everybody else has to drink. Those are my favorite rules. Yes.

And I noticed it was kind of inconsistent in between cuts because like we'll see, like it's like Elizabeth wears it right as a necklace and like within like the same sort of scene. We'll see that like it's out and then like we'll make a cut and then it's tucked in. So it's like kind of inconsistent. So it's like sometimes it's out, sometimes isn't. So you can like so it comes out occasionally. So you're like really get people like multiple times in a single scene of nice.

That makes it fun. Yeah.

I'm kind of wondering. Oh sorry. Just so the whole thing with her necklace, like being outside and then inside, I'm wondering if someone pointed that out on like the goose on IMDB would be really funny.

Oh there's always somebody, there's always somebody who's watching frame by frame, right. Yes.

So it's some point. Well, in this suit, it's out in the next two seconds later it's tucked in. This movie is unwatchable kind of thing. I will say that that is so like on time. I like the Aztec gold. That is probably one of my biggest Knick picks about this movie. I know, like we've kind of point out a few things. I do love this movie for the record, but one of the biggest nit picks is that it's not the black pearl that's cursed.

It's the curse of the of Cortez's gold that is is like why their curse is that the black pearl, that something always bugged me about the title of this movie, the am I making sense?

Because it's something that we know absolutely. To argue, to argue that, OK, OK, it's the point.

I'm the feds right now. I'm Disneyfied to argue that point. Yes, it is the curse of the Aztec gold. However, it occurs to whoever was on the black payroll at the time that this occurred. And I feel like Disney almost kind of acknowledged that whenever Johnny Depp or Jack Sparrow's character was talking to Captain Barbosa where he's like, you know, it's actually pretty good that you marooned me on that island because I didn't get that curse and I wasn't on the ship when you guys got the curse.

So that is my argument to that. He also didn't get a gold coin. But yeah. So I just I don't know. That's what I mean. Yes, but I mean, OK, I don't know. I feel like I feel like you could go either way with it. But that's one that has always bugged me.

I hear your logic. I think you could also make the argument because the ship changed in the moonlight, too. And that's true. That's true.

Because in the day all the sails were intact. At night they were all taught a shit.

I did not notice that and think that's a good to go catch. Yeah. Yeah. Nice calaboose.

All right. So scenes, what kind of scenes jumped out with everyone? I guess we'll start with Nate.

OK, I have an interesting thought and I don't mean to start off the scenes this way, but this is the scene where Elizabeth is speaking to the Commodore and she's kind of up on that ledge. And you could tell she's having trouble breathing in the dress and it's kind of hot out. And then she faints into the water, correct? Mm hmm. So when she falls, the Commodore is about to jump after her and somebody is like, no, man, don't do it.

That's a really dangerous follows. A lot of rocks like you could die. And so he doesn't write. I thought nothing of that until the end of the movie. Whenever Jack holds on to one of the gold coins and he becomes one of the undead and he doesn't die because of that. So I my thought is I think Elizabeth has been undead throughout this entire movie, and that's why she didn't die in that scene. That first of all, it's because she was holding onto the coin.

She's wearing it around her neck and she doesn't die. And it had nothing to do with, like, look her with her falling between the rocks, like she just survived. Interesting. And to add to that. To further my point, at some point, Captain Barbeau is talking about. With the curse does to them, it seems like they're thirsty, but their thirst is never quenched. They're hungry, but their hunger is never satiated. And throughout the film, like hunger is starving whenever she gets on that boat and like, she just keeps eating and eating, eating.

And I feel like it has to do with. She just always has that feeling in her because she is undead throughout the entire film until she loses the coin, huh? Does she ever get exposed to the moonlight? She definitely does. And I mean, that's a very interesting theory. I think that's maybe more like a plot hole that she should have been an undead person. You blew my mind, though, who have TripIt without him? Yeah, he's coming out hot early on, OK?

I wanted to say it before anybody else did. I guarantee you I did.

I don't know about you. I definitely didn't buy that. That's a great thought.

All right. One that stuck out to me a lot was the the scene where the black pearl comes to the port and it's just like mayhem and all the pirates are running around and getting into their craziness. I really like that because I feel like a lot of times with movies I try to do scenes like that. They can feel very. Like, the scale of them doesn't seem like they seem very tight, where it's like, oh, this is only happening in like a few areas, this felt like a very large space at this craziness was happening.

I really like that. It added like a lot of scale to the movie.

Definitely kind of adds to like the threat of the crew because it's like they have a big enough crew to take over this whole, like, village or town. This whole port. Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's just mayhem everywhere. Yeah, you're totally right on that. Yeah. So I mean, I loved that scene for what it was. I completely forgot that they threw in this little kid that was losing his mind.

You had to look his dad during that scene. Yeah. And as a newer parent, that scared the shit out of me.

Oh, that's it made me sad because that kid was, like, legit crying and he was scared. Yeah.

And like, explosives and stuff going around him, too. And people get slaughtered. Yeah. That was it was a war zone.

They have like scaffolding fall like that. That shit looked practical. And I think that's what scared me most is like this lady just comes out of nowhere, grabs her, grabs the kid and runs. And then there's the scaffolding, takes a dive. And I'm just like, oh, so I was like having a mild panic attack during that whole. Yeah. Whole scene.

I will so some I will say I do love it during this whole skirmish. I do love the part where I will just chucks a hatchet at somebody's back. It was just pretty awesome. And then like the do falls over dead and as he runs he just like picks it back up as I write this as bad as. Yeah.

Does he get knocked out in like the next shot. Yeah he does by a freakin candlestick.

But I remember watching this the first time and not remembering that that was the guy that will killed obviously as an adult. I picked that up a little bit better, but I was just like, oh, that's the same dude as an adult. I can tell you I still did not pick that up. I think I forgot that they were all dead until the big walk scene. And I was like, oh, that's it.

That's the whole thing. The movie.

Yeah, the whole premise. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I love, like all the horror aspects to that scene, like they had like the craziness, like the frickin purge looking stuff going on.

And then they when they were cut into the governor's house the way that. Rose, what's those two dudes names we're getting an Pentel that they're seeing when they're going through the the house and they break into the room that Elizabeth is hiding in and the way that he's like calling her out and like the scene where it's the if she's going to get a divorce. Yeah. And he's just like, does the Hello, Poppit?

I'm like, who knew? That was terrifying because he was like the light was shining on Elizabeth's face. And then you can see it like slowly disappear into darkness. Great. And then dude pops his face in there like like here's Johnny type of thing. Yeah. That was awesome. So I'm still right on that. Yeah.

We are kind of missing how this like starts when the pirates do come into the house and they just fucking shoot the butler like point blank range in between the eyes like somebody.

There was a head shot in a Disney movie. The dude just falls over dead. It is. Yeah. It's great. I love it. It's a point point to that, though.

You hear cannons going going amuck, right? You hear a bunch of gunshots, people going crazy who just opens the door like that, like at least like crack the door open and kind of like stick your nose out.

Like, who's there? Do you just like opened it up? Yeah, it really did. Open it like the pizza guy was there.

That dude, you could tell that that guy had one job and he wasn't going to let anything get in his way.

I answer the door. Well, it's not really look at this.

You know, he he probably messed that job up one time and asked you. And he's just like, no, I don't even care, like, freaking gunfire. I don't give two shits. I'm opening this door with all the confidence in the world. His ghost is just like I would have let you all know you didn't shoot me.

I fucking hate this one. Yeah. Oh, sure.

Right. I'll kill them with you. Be like that guy in Iron Man, dude.

Like, I don't even like working here, but that whole whole scene where that craziness is going on, I loved it.

So I just want to just bring up something really quickly. So going off what Brucker said about like the whole headshot thing, there's also another scene that I'm just like, OK, this is a Disney movie. It's when was it Pentel comes in and says to Elizabeth, Oh, the captain wants to have dinner with you. And she's like, Oh, I refuse. He's just like, well, he said, if you refuse, then you have dinner with the crew naked and she's like chaotic dinner with the captain.

And you could tell pencil's just like, oh, damn it, I was not expecting. I'm like, damn, yeah.

Disney movie. I don't think the word naked is ever even been said. Yeah, dude, that's not even the worst. That's not even the worst scene was it was the worst thing to you because I have an idea of what it could be.

Yeah. So it's win or they capture all the members of the black pearl and so they're all on the ship and or not the black pearl, the dauntless. So that Jack Sparrow's crew and. Yeah. And he. Barbosa gets Miss Turner, welcomes her back and says, Because you took advantage of our hospitality, I think it's only fair that you repay the favor and throws him throws her to the crew.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's rough. Yeah. Okay. Disney is really pushing that PG.

Yeah. It's very it's. Oh it's 13. OK. Yeah.

They're like we've never had Beechy 13 before. We're going to play in this new space that we just opened up to.

To me it's weird when they are about to maroon, when they're about to maroon Elizabeth and Jack and they asked for the dress back and he throws it to the crew. He's just it's still warm and.

Oh, that was so creepy. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, my goodness.

Yeah. That was after I think that was after the that scene.

But yeah, that's I'm like, OK, the fact that she was only now the fact that I know she was only 17 makes these parts so much more uncomfortable.

Mm hmm. Well, since we were just talking about the or I brought it up, the man about to be marooned, I will say that was one of my favorite parts of this was just the whole Maroon Island segment with Jack and Elizabeth. I kind of just because I felt like that there were some of the better actors in this movie. I know some of you disagree with me, but it was just really cool to see them like argue and go back and forth with each other and something like throughout this movie, I remember when I was a kid that I thought was so cool about the character of Jack Sparrow was like, there is this mystery of how did he get off that island, you know, and we kind of see here like it was just because of rum runners use it.

And I love that alcohol was involved in his escape from this island. It was so effortless. And I just kind of fucking love that. He just like goes he's like, we're going to die. Let's just go ahead and just drink ourselves to death kind of thing.

I just think it plays into the whole like he just like succeeds through dumb luck. Oh, well, it was just getting drunk on a beach and then someone just came and saved him. He's like, all right, it's great. I love when the next morning. Well, first off, that night she is just swindling him. She is just like, you know, really tricking him that she's drunk and everything is very funny. And they're singing that pirate song and she's pretending to be drunk.

It's very funny because I love how Jack is just like, oh, I love this song. It's I don't know why I just cut it makes me laugh every time. But the next day he finds out that she's burnt all the rum and food and everything. And he says there's like a quick a moment where she turns her back and he like for a second thinks about shooting her in the head.

He's like, oh yeah, I love it. It's great.

I thought in that scene that she was going to get caught, like with that game that she was playing with him because she was like holding her drink. And it shows Jack making like are looking at her bottle and kind of has like a weird look about it. And so I thought, like, oh, he's playing. A counter game to this and yeah, yeah, then he passed out and I'm like, oh, OK, I get it, he's just a buffoon.

Yeah, but I loved his comment the next day when he was like his conversation with himself. Yeah. And he's just like, oh, it must be so hard for you, Jack.

This must have been really awful. Like, well bloody is now.

There will be no there will be no living with her after this.

Yeah. It's great to see the ships I love like kind of going off that whole like being berated on the island and being stuck with all the rum. I did love how everyone was kind of coming up with their own stories of how Jack got off. And one of them was that they made a raft out of turtles, sea turtles, and they're like, well, how did time together?

And Jack's like, my my back here, of course. And they're like, Yeah.

Oh, wow. They just make sense to me. Yeah. Jack would totally be the guy that starts a rumor about himself that's like really good. And he's like, yeah, that's what you heard. It's probably true, I think with like with Mr. Gibbs and like some of the people that know him really well. It's has gotten to the point where they don't believe in things like Jack is like a little crazy. Just let them have this, like he really needs this.

It's the syphilis right in his brain.

Yeah, dude, it's a thing everyone freaking underestimates, Jack, because they think he's an idiot, but he's actually, like, super competent.

Like, yes, he does have those random spurts of just random luck. But he also knows, to quote Kenny Rogers, when to hold them and when to fold them.

Oh, my goodness. A scene that I really liked that was kind of earlier on in the movie was the first escape scene that we get up. Jack is like after he rescues Elizabeth and he kind of like holds her captive real quick. And he is like this whole, like, chase scene is great. And because we kind of see I felt like that this was a seeing how complex his character is because he is a pirate, but he's kind of like good as well.

Like, he's he's kind of like a good guy with a lot of edge. And we kind of see that in this scene because, like he went, it saved Elizabeth. But then he immediately flips in, like holds her hostage just to, like, get out of the situation and, you know, which leads which which was a very kind of fun, like a lot of luck had to be on his side, as we talked about earlier, for him to get out of this situation.

But it eventually leads to a very fun sort of fight between him and Will. And I remember I was a kid. This was this was the source, the first sword fight between him and Will was like one of my favorite parts of the movie just because I don't know, I thought it was a very fine their swords everywhere and like at one point to end up on the roof somehow fighting like it was just a lot of fun.

Yeah, the sword fight choreography was nuts and it was amazing.

I would argue that the best, not the best. It wasn't the best sword fight scene, but it was the best music that went with the sword fight scene was when Jack and William Turner are in like the blast, the blacksmith's office. I don't even know whatever it's called, Armada's quarters. Right.

And they're kind of like balancing on that thing. And you got that music playing in the background where it's like to do don't, don't, don't. Dana, it was honestly fantastic and it was just so quirky.

It was funny that the blacksmith was the one that knocked him out.

I had been like that was just going to be just two of my civic duty.

Sir, let's say they do keep stealing credit for Will, because at the beginning of the movie, when he goes to the Swans to give them a sword, they say, send our compliments to your employer. But Will was definitely the one that made the sword. And then he also steals his credit here for knocking out Jack.

So, yeah, this will can't get like any sort of like credibility, you know, which I would have loved to see for that whole thing was like the ring camera on the wall, just kind of capturing the whole moment of like Jack and Jill Turner just going at it.

Right. Is going to ham. And then just like this drunk blacksmith, just kind of hobbling over with his empty glass. So probably not even in a straight line. It just kind of like zigzagging and almost didn't make it kind of falls down. He gets back up and then he just like smacks Jack in the back of the head.

And it's just like, wow, that's how he just fucking tricks you.

So did everybody share their their favorite scenes? Because I have another one I want to share. It's kind of OK. Sorry, can I just share one please. Yeah. Go for it. So probably this is about my favorite scene since I was a kid, but it's kind of like the opening with a jack on a ship and just you get like that awesome shot of him, just like looking out to the horizon. And then when it gets to what's left of the ship, like there's like literally nothing.

He just steps onto it, onto the dock and it's completely sunk. I love it so much. It's a perfect introductory tieback, Curtius. Yeah. It's fantastic. I love the Meems that kind of go with that scene to where it's just like when you're first on the boat, it's your freshman year of college. And as you kind of sink in, you kind of get towards graduation. You just barely step on the dock.

How did we overlook that? I'm so glad you brought that up, because that was honestly like I laughed out loud. I think I paused because I was I had to laugh. OK, so I've got I have a little a little history thing, and it's relevant to favorite scenes. So stay with me. And it's interesting and it's interesting. As we know, this is set in Port Royal Jamaica in 1720. And the whole setting with, I guess, the Caribbean at this time is that it's like a haven for pirates.

Right. But going on elsewhere in the colonies, we have the colony of North Carolina in 1718. So this is actually the year that Blackbeard was hunted down and killed. Oh. And this movie actually did a little bit of a nod to how he was killed. And I'll tell you why. So and by the way, Diana, how Blackbeard was killed. No, I don't know.

He did was shot five times and stabbed 20 times to be killed. Yeah. And that is a little much. But now people who got him was the British Royal Navy. Right. And so how they got him was that they tricked him onto tricking, tricked him into coming onto their ship and made him think that it was deserted. So they had all the soldiers kind of hiding in the holds like underneath the ship. And then they just ambushed him.

And I mean, literally, somebody just came up and just, like, decapitated him. And they kind of made a nod to that in this movie during the end scene where all of the pirates are on the lake, the British the British Navy ship. And I mean, they kind of did it in a different way where the the undead were kind of clearly overwhelming the British soldiers, soldiers. But at the same time, once they became, like alive again, they were able to be overwhelmed and and killed or captured by the British Royal Navy.

So I thought after having read that, I was like, OK, that they gave a little bit more to that scene, in particular for me, because of like, I guess the history that kind of ties into it. And I thought that was kind of interesting. That's awesome. That is really cool. When you're doing like the tribute research on this, like you could just see that they incorporated so much like pirate history into this. I just it was literally just like overwhelming for me when I got to that was like I'm checking out immediately.

But that one, it's a very cool little little nod to that because I didn't know that. And because that that at least helps me justify all like this, the ships watching in this movie, because there is a lot of it. And so, OK, that's good to know that it's a nod to, like, killing Blackbeard. So I like that.

So we, you know, how we learned and or we eventually learn. And I think it's pirates, too, that the reason that Jack's compass doesn't point north, it's cool because if you see anyone else holding, like the only one that I really noticed this go round was when the Commodore was taken or had the the compass when he's holding it, you can see it pointing to Elizabeth.

That was a great catch. My God.

Did you notice that in the movie? No, I I was watching a video of, like, hidden details in Disney movies like one of those articles and was scrolling through. And that was one of them that I saw. It was like forever ago. But yeah, if anyone's holding the compass like you can, it points to whatever they they want.

I like I do love the compass that doesn't point north as like this. I don't know this gadget of Jack Sparrow. It's like such a as such like a cool little thing to have on him because I love like when you see him because you do see that compass hanging from his belt. He's kind of like Batman, just like this utility belt with like a pistol, with one pistol, with one shot for the guy that maroon him a sword. And then he has this company that does point north.

It's like, what the fuck is this guy? But it's just great. So people know Jonathan has been having to wrestle a cat this whole time.

I fucking love I love the animals and my parents, to be completely honest. He's been doing it.

All right. So let's get into the message of this movie. So is there any sort of like message or lesson or theme or any sort of like wacky interpretation you could take away from this?

The one message I got from this movie is only be a pirate if you have crazy luck, like. That's what I got. There's no skill being a pirate. It's all luck. Yep. I took kind of a weird message from it and I was one that was like really early on in the movie. And it's that scene where Jack and Wil or Jack or reveals that he knew Will's dad as a pirate.

And Will's just like, no, it was like a big ol bitch fit over it. And he was. Yeah. And he spins the wheels, so it like, sends him.

So he's like hanging over the the edge of the ship. And Jack just kind of has like a real talk with him. And it's just like, listen, there's a there's things in life that you can do and there's things in life that you can't do. And he's like you, you can just accept that that was your dad and that he was a good man. And all of this other stuff just accept all this stuff. And he's like, you know what I can't do?

I can't get this place by myself.

That is a really good scene. And I think. Yeah, and I think that's just a good lesson. Like don't stress about things that you like, except the things that you can do and don't and try to like fix the things that you can't or just try to know the difference between the two.

That's a good thing I think. Yeah. Yeah. That's an awesome takeaway. Mine was very similar to that was just everything is going to be all right if you just kind of keep your cool. No, just keep a level head and just. Take it step by step mine, it was kind of like I feel like this movie was sort of talking about what it means to sort of be like toeing the line between good and bad because we couldn't see, like, Jack Sparrow is a very he's kind of like a complex character does very much in a gray area, because I don't feel like he's a fully evil, bad pirate.

But he has he does do bad things occasionally. But he also is kind of a good guy at heart. But he will he has a lot of edge to him. And I feel like that we kind of see Will Turner sort of like find his way through the like this murkiness gray area, especially at the end of the movie when he rescues Jack and Norrington like points his sword at Jack and Will stands between them in Washington, says, Have you forgotten your place?

And Will says, My place is between you and Jack. I feel like you could take that metaphorically to where like Norrington and like the British Navy is like an extreme spectrum of what's supposed to be like good and justice, whatever. And then like the pirates are like the opposite side of that spectrum is like this extreme chaos and bad or evil or whatever. And he's literally saying, I'm in between you two and he's like, I'm trying to find this grey area and have like this little edge.

Because we saw when he was kind of like this, he was kind of like a soft person at the beginning of the movie. And he didn't get to things that he wanted, like he couldn't like woo Elizabeth or, you know, he couldn't get any sort of, like, credibility for her, his blacksmith work. But now he has a little bit of edge to him and he's breaking some rules, like he's starting to get the attention and being noticed by people that he's been wanting to be noticed by.

So I kind of saw I was like toeing that line between good and bad and like having like an edge. It was kind of I don't know what that message would be in a sentence, but that's kind of like what I was getting from this. I like that. Like that. I really like that. I still grab it because other than that, this is just like a fun adventure movie that's just like, hey, like pay your six bucks and sit down and watch the movie man.

Like, that's kind of cool.

Can we just go back to the day where we could just pay six bucks like every showing and not only be able to get it on like five bucks. Yeah.

Be so nice. Yeah. Our movie pay paying like. Yeah. See there we go.

It's a great movie already so we all kind of know what this has turned into. It is turning into like a big franchise, but just sort of not letting what we know about the sequels coming to an effect. Just just what is presented in this movie. Should there be a sequel to this movie? I guess I'll get the ball rolling. And I would say, yes, like I would say, I like at the end in this movie with Jack Escapes and he has you know, he gets to a ship with Gibbs and I'm kind of like, yes, I want to follow him.

I want to see his next adventures, what he's going to do. And I originally thought that the sequel is there's going to be the Navy chasing down Jack and there's going to be him of aiding. And the whole time, while I know going after some treasure or something like that. So that was so just presented this movie. Yes. I want a sequel for sure. Yeah, I'd say yes, if they can think of something good enough.

But I, I, I feel like this movie was just pretty, it was just cool. Right. And just like a cool little one hit wonder if it was a solo movie and I'd be fine with it. Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't be thinking about this, you know, for years, like I was thinking about like a Star Wars sequel, you know, I mean, this is one of those I just accept it for what it is and just move on.

But I think they do bring in like Davy Jones and Blackbeard and stuff and feature movies. Right. I guess I don't really remember those movies as well, because I guess they just didn't execute. And it makes me think maybe they didn't, like, consider the history and all of those like this, I don't know, historical and environmental aspects that they considered in the first movie. You know what I mean? That's where I'm at. Yes or no.

I'm the will turn around somewhere.

I'm I'm on the fence, like, really hard because the way that they ended the movie where Jack kind of gets control of the black pearl. And it's just like, let's go is it leaves the door open, it's more like the doors unlocked, the doors unlocked, like you don't need to go through that door. It's just an option if you wanted to. And I think that's kind of what ended up happening, like this movie just kind of took off and they're like freaking let's do it the way that they ended it.

I'm going to say it didn't need one, but I am pretty happy with what they did with the second and third one. I think that they could have tied in the curse of the black pearl a little bit better because this movie feels like a stand alone. It really does. And then two and three feel like their own thing. So I think I would have tied in Kurzel a little bit better than than that. So maybe like to defeat Davy Jones is Army Vego and.

Reopen the Aztec gold and recurse themselves to face them, like I think that would have been pretty bad ass would have interesting and yeah, and a pretty good tie into the first one because like I said, this one just like if they were to just give you a character dump into.

You wouldn't need. Like, it would just feel like a bunch of separate movies. Yeah, just based on how this ended, I'm going to say no, but I would.

OK, I get that you're, you know, hovering over it.

But if you got to watch that, um, so I'd say I'm in the middle kind of going off what Caleb said of how, like, Disney kind of looked at like, oh, hey, you know, this first one actually did really good. Maybe we could actually see a franchise in this, considering that I think there's three or there's like a three year gap between the curse of the black pearl and dead man's chest. So Disney was kind of just testing the waters.

They're like, yeah, this movie made a shit ton of money. Let's see if we can turn this into a franchise. So I definitely I feel this really could just be a one off movie, just the way that it ends with Jack just just sailing off with his new crew. It really could have just ended right there. But even though I haven't seen the fourth or the fifth, I am happy with what they did with the sequels that came OK.

It's interesting that all of you are kind of like on the fence a little bit. I think that that's a good point, that this movie is like does kind of stand on its own two legs and like it would have. I feel like that this movie would have been remembered a whole lot better if there weren't sequels like everybody. Oh, that pirate movie is awesome because I feel like that when you think about it, I immediately go and I think about the franchise as a whole.

I will say during quarantine I did do a Pirates run. I watched all the movies. I was in quarantine because like, what else are you going to do?

And I will say I did enjoy the second and third movie a lot more than my first viewing because the first time I saw them when I was a kid, I didn't care for them too much. But I think that's because the tone changed so much and they weren't like this fun action adventure type of movies. And it kind of turned like way more serious and kind of like just way into pirate lore.

But I mean, this franchise is fine. I like this one the most. I think this one's the best one. I think it definitely could have been fine without a sequel. So I guess I'm changing my mind, actually. So I was like, no, no sequel.

You guys got to change my mind on that. There we go.

Shift in mind, change in sales.

Um, so thank you, Caleb and Jonathan of the All podcast for coming on to talk about Pirates of the Caribbean, The Curse of the Black Pearl. Any final thoughts about this movie? You guys have a letter grade?

Oh, we've never done pirates. I don't think we have you.

If I'm just, like, guessing off top of my head probably how much I love this movie, probably a solid B plus good for me.

I'm in like the B range.

We can bleep that out.

So you guys, I'm sorry, I don't know, keep the draw, you know, for crowd. So people are like we already know what they're like.

We have like an official like like we have an official way that we do it like this. I think this would just go in our like personal grade because we have like a personal grade category, but we just grade the individual aspects like story, writing, acting and on and on. And so we grade those individually and then gave our own personal grade. And then all that averages out to what our final score is for that movie. But yeah, I'm I'm sitting there like a B like I have a really good time.

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