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Nevada caucuses here with me on the stage tonight, NBC News political director and moderator of Meet the Press, Chuck Todd, and NBC News chief White House correspondent and MSNBC anchor Kelly Jackson. Also joining us is Telemundo senior correspondent Vanessa and editor of the Nevada Independent, Jon Ralston, who has covered Nevada politics for more than three decades. The rules are this tonight, candidates will get a minute 50 to answer each question at 45 seconds for follow ups. The stage is narrowed to six candidates.
We encourage each of you to directly engage with each other on the issues. So let's get to our first question since the last time you all share the stage. Senator Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, has surged into the lead nationally in the Democratic race. And there's a new person on the stage tonight, Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a former Republican who's spent millions of his own dollars to run in this race. What hasn't changed? A majority of Democratic voters still say their top priority is beating President Trump.
Senator Sanders, for Sanders, the first question to you. Mayor Bloomberg is pitching himself as a centrist who says he's best positioned to win in November. Why is your revolution a better bet? In order to beat Donald Trump, we're going to need the largest voter turnout in the history of the United States. Mr. Bloomberg had policies in New York City of stop and frisk, which went after African-American and Latino people in an outrageous way. That is not a way you're going to grow voter turnout.
What our movement is about is bringing working class people together, black and white and Latino, Native American, Asian-American, around an agenda that works for all of us and not just the billionaire class. And that agenda says that maybe, just maybe, we should join the rest of the industrialized world, guarantee health care to all people as a human right. Raise the minimum wage to a living wage of fifteen bucks an hour and have the guts to take on the fossil fuel industry because their short term profits are not more important than the future of this planet and the need to combat climate change.
Those are some of the reasons we have the strongest campaign to defeat Donald Trump. Bloomberg Can Senator Sanders beat President Trump? How do you want to respond to what else he said? I don't think there's any chance of the Senator beating President Trump. You don't start out by saying, I've got one hundred and sixty million people. I'm going to take away the insurance plan that they love. That's just not a ways that you go and start building the coalition that the Sanders camp thinks that they can do.
I don't think there's any chance whatsoever. And if he goes and is the candidate, we will have Donald Trump for another four years. And we can't stand that. Senator, one likes to talk about who were running against a billionaire who calls women fat broads and horse faced lesbians. And no, I'm not talking about Donald Trump. I'm talking about Mayor Bloomberg. Democrats are not going to win if we have a nominee who has a history of hiding his tax returns, of harassing women and supporting racist policies like redlining and stop and frisk.
Look, I'll support whoever the Democratic nominee is, but understand this. Democrats take a huge risk if we just substitute one arrogant billionaire for another. This country has worked for the rich for a long time and left everyone else in the dark. It is time to have a president who will be on the side of working families and be willing to get out there and fight for them. That is why I am in this race and that is how I will beat Donald Trump.
Senator Senator Klobuchar, what do you think the path is from this stage to the White House? What works? I think the path is a high voter turnout. I'm the one on this stage that had the highest voter turnout of any state in the country when I led the Tippet ticket, as well as bringing in rural and suburban voters. And I've done that as well. And I'm the only one with the receipts to have done that in Republican congressional districts over and over again.
But I want to say this. I actually welcomed Mayor Bloomberg to the stage. I thought that he shouldn't be hiding behind his TV ads. And so I was all ready for this big day. And then I looked at the memo from his campaign staff this morning, and it said that he actually thought that three of us should get out of the way. That is what his campaign said, because we should pave the way for him to become the nominee.
You know, I have been told as a woman, as someone that may.
The. No one thought was still going to be standing up on this date. But I am because of pure, pure grit and because of the people out there. I've been told many times to wait my turn and to step aside. And I'm not going to do that now. And I'm not going to do that because a campaign memo from Mayor Bloomberg said this morning that the only way that we get a nominee is if we step aside for him. I think we need something different than Donald Trump.
I don't think you look at Donald Trump and say we need someone richer in the White House. Thank you. Mayor Bloomberg is a lot for you to respond to. So here's your opportunity. I think we have two questions to face tonight. One is, who can beat Donald Trump? Can number two, who can do the job if they get into the White House? And I would argue that I am the candidate that can do exactly both of those things.
I'm a New Yorker. I know how to take on an arrogant con man like Donald Trump that comes from New York. I'm a mayor. Was wasn't mayor. I know how to run a complicated city, the biggest, most diverse city in this country. I'm a manager. I knew what to do after 9/11 and brought the city back stronger than ever. And I'm a philanthropist who didn't inherit his money but made his money. And I'm spending that money to get rid of Donald Trump.
The worst president we have ever had. And if I can get that done, it will be a great contribution to America and to my kids. Vice President Biden terms you can be Donald Trump.
NBC did a poll yesterday says Joe Biden, who's best equipped to beat Donald Trump, said.
He said that I can beat him in those toss up states to those states. We have to win. I'm ahead by eight points across the board. So in terms of being able to beat Donald Trump, I'm better positioned, according to your poll, than anybody else to beat Donald Trump. Number one. Number two, the mayor makes an interesting point. The mayor says that he has a great record, that he's done these wonderful things. Well, the fact that the fact and the fact of the matter is he has not managed his city very, very well when he was there.
He didn't get a whole lot done. He has stop and frisk throwing up folk, close to five million young black men up against the wall. And when we came along and our administration, President Obama and said we're going to send in a moderator to a media to stop it, he said that's unnecessary. So we're working to get a chance to talk about the mayor's record. But in terms of who is best prepared to beat Donald Trump. Look at your poll and what it says.
Mayor Rudy Giuliani, you'd like to weigh in. Yes. We've got to wake up as a party. We could wake up two weeks from today, the day after Super Tuesday. And the only candidates left standing will be Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg, the two most polarizing figures on this stage. And most Americans don't see where they fit. If they've got to choose between a socialist who thinks that capitalism is the root of all evil and a billionaire who thinks that power of money ought to be the root of all power, let's put forward somebody who actually lives and who works in a middle class neighborhood in an industrial Midwestern city.
Let's put forward somebody who's actually a Democrat. Look. Shouldn't have to choose between one candidate who wants to burn this party down and another candidate who wants to buy this party out. We can do better. Senator. Senator Sanders. Are you polarizing? If speaking to the needs and the pain of a long neglected working class is polarizing. I think you got the wrong word. What we are trying finally to do is to give a voice to people who, after 45 years of work, are not making a nickel more than they did forty five years ago.
We are giving a voice to people who would say we are sick and tired of billionaires like Mr. Bloomberg saying huge expansions of their wealth while a half a million people sleep out on the street tonight. And that's all we are saying. It's maybe it's the time for the working class of this country to have a little bit of power in Washington rather than your billionaire campaign contributor. That's right. Look, first of all. Look, my campaign is fueled by hundreds of thousands of contributors, including six billionaires among the hundreds of thousands of contributors, and look, we've got to unite this country to deal with these issues.
You're not the only one who cares about the working class. Most Americans believe we need to empower workers. It's a matter of fact, you're the one who is at war with the Culinary Union right here in Las Vegas.
We use your support. You have a dream. We have the support of unions all across this division. I'm putting forward has the support of the American people where we can actually deliver health care without taking it away from anyone. We can actually empower workers and lift wages without further polarizing this country. And we can build a movement without having legions of our supporters online and in person. I think it is Democratic leaders, union leaders like that award.
I have a question for you. On Sunday on Meet the Press, Vice President Biden accused Senator Sanders supporters of bullying union leaders here with, quote, vicious, malicious, misogynistic things. You said Democrats cannot build an inclusive party on a foundation of hate. Senator Sanders and his supporters making it harder for Democrats to unify in November. Look, I have said many times before. We are all responsible for our supporters and we need to step up. That's what leadership is all about.
But the way we are going to lead this country and beat Donald Trump is going to be with a candidate who has rock solid values and who actually gets something done. When Mayor Bloomberg was busy blaming African-Americans and Latinos for the housing crash of 2008, I was right here in Las Vegas, literally just a fleet few blocks down the street holding hearings on the banks that were taking away homes from millions of families. That's when I met Mr. restraunt at one of your neighbors.
He came in to testify and he said he thought he'd done everything right with Wells Fargo. But what did happen? They took away his house in a matter of weeks. This man stood there and cried while he talked about what it was like to tell his two little daughters that they might not be in their elementary schools, that they might be living out of their van. I spent the next two years making sure that would never happen again. Wall Street fought us every inch of the way on a consumer agency.
They lost and I won. We need a candidate with unshakable values and a candidate who can actually get something done for working people. That's why I'm in this race and that is how I'll beat Senator Sanders. We have over ten point six million people on Twitter and ninety nine point nine percent of them are decent human beings, call working people or people who believe in justice, compassion and love. And if there are a few people who make ugly remarks who attack trade union leaders, I disown those people.
They are not part of our movement. Well, let me also say what I hope my friends up here will agree with is that if you look at the Wild West of the Internet, talk to some of the African-American women on my campaign, talk to said in the Neanderthal, talk to others and find the vicious, racist, sexist attacks that are coming their way as well. So I would hope that all of us understand that we should do everything we possibly can to end the viciousness and ugliness on the Internet.
Our campaign is about issues. It's about fighting for the working families and the middle class. It is not about vicious attacks on other people.
Senator, when you say that you disown these attacks and you didn't personally direct them, I believe you. Well, it is. But at a certain point, you got to ask yourself, why did this pattern arise? Why is it especially the case among your supply? I don't think it that's actually the case. That's just not true. Look, let people know people, if you want to talk to some of the women on my campaign, what you will see is the most ugly, sexist, racist attacks that I would even describe.
He had this whole disgusting. Let me say something else about this not being too paranoid. All of us remember 2016. What we meant, what we remember is efforts by Russians and others to try to interfere in our election and divide us. Oh, I'm not saying that's happening, but it would not shock me. I saw some of those tweets regarding the Culinary Workers Union. I am high about 30. One hundred percent. Pro union voting record.
You think I would support or anybody supports me would be attacking union leaders? It's not thinkable. But leadership is about what you draw out of people. It's what it's about how you inspire people to act. And right now, we're in this we're in this toxic political environment. Leadership isn't just about policy. I think at least in broad terms, were largely pulling in the same direction on policy. But leadership is also about how you motivate people to treat other people.
And I think you have to accept some responsibility and ask yourself what it is about your campaign in particular in particular that seems to be motivating this behavior more than others. Because in order to turn the idea and we have an idea, how can this forward stop sexism on the Internet? We could nominate a woman for candidate.
I think that might go a long way if we showed our stop as a party. And the other thing I want to talk about is really what is at the core of this issue between Senator Sanders and the Culinary Union, and that is this. These are hardworking people, housekeepers like Elizabeth and I met with last night who have health care plans that have been negotiated over time, sweat and blood. And that is the truth for so many Americans. Right.
Thank you. There are one hundred forty nine million Americans that would lose their current health insurance under Sanders. Senator Sanders. Bill. Senator, that is what it says on page eight. And I don't think we should forget that. On that note, I want to turn to my colleague, Chuck. Senator Sanders on the stay on this topic, on the culinary on this issue with the Culinary Union.
Obviously, they're their leaders are warning their members about that. Your health care plan will take away their health care plan, take away private insurance completely. There are some Democrats who like you a lot, but worry that this plan, Medicare for all, is going to take away private insurance and that it goes too far. Are they right? No. Let me be very clear. Two points for a hundred years from Teddy Roosevelt to Barack Obama. This country has been talking about the need to guarantee health care for all people.
And yet today, despite spending twice as much per capita, chuck, twice as much as any other major country on earth, we got eighty seven million who are uninsured or underinsured. We got over 60000 people who die every year because they don't get to a doctor on time. We're getting ripped off outrageously by the greed and corruption of the pharmaceutical industry, which in some cases charges us 10 times more for the same drugs because of their price fixing. Five hundred thousand people go bankrupt every year because they can't afford medical bills.
So let me be very clear. My good friends in the Culinary Workers Union, a great union, I will never sign a bill that will reduce. Health care benefits they have. We will only expand that for them for every union in America, for the working class of this country. Senator Warren, you. We were all in on Medicare for all, and then you have since came up with a transition plan. Is it because of the impact on unions?
So I want to be clear. I've been to the Culinary Union's health care facilities. They're terrific. You don't want to shut them down. You want to expand it. You want to see them all across Nevada and all across this country. But we need to get everybody's health care plan out here. Mary Booted George really has a slogan that was thought up by his consultants to paper over a thin version of a plan that would leave millions of people unable to afford their health care.
It's not a plan. It's PowerPoint. And Amy's plan is even less. It's like a Post-it note insert plan here. Has started very much, has a good start, but instead of expanding and bringing in more people to help instead, his campaign relentlessly attacks everyone who asks a question or tries to fill in details about how to actually make this work. And then his own advisers say it probably won't happen anyway. Look, health care is a crisis in this country.
We need my approach to this is we need as much help for as many people as quickly as possible and bring in as many supporters as we can. And if we don't get it all the first time, take the win and come back into the fight to ask. I promise. I don't mean to get everybody. I got to wear it. But if you just I think she name checked you first. I'll let you go first. I'm sorry.
OK. I think I'm more of a Microsoft Word guy. And if you'll look at my plan, I don't know if there are any power points on it, but it definitely find the document on Teach for America dot com and you'll see that it is a plan that solves the problem, makes sure there is no such thing as an uninsured American and doesn't without kicking anybody off the plans that they have. This idea that the union members don't know what's good for them is the exact kind of condescension and arrogance that makes people skeptical of the policies we've been putting forward.
Here we have a plan that the majority of Americans support. Do you realize how historic that is, that the American people are ready in a way far beyond what was true even 10 years ago and what was available to President Obama at the time? There's a powerful American majority ready to undertake the biggest, most progressive reform we've had in health care in 50 years. Just so long as we don't force it on anybody, it's wrong. It's all right.
Let me go to Sara Kermanshah and then I'll gay rights at our club show. Well, I think the Post-it note came first, Senator. I don't think the post, I must say, take personal offense since Post-it notes were invented in my state. OK, so my plan is a public option. And according to all the studies out there, it would reduce premiums for 12 million people immediately. It would expand coverage for about that same number. It is a significant thing.
It is what Barack Obama wanted to do from the very beginning. And the way I look at it, since we're in Vegas, when it comes to your plan, Elizabeth and Bernie's on Medicare for all. You don't put your money on a number. It's not even on the wheel. And why is Medicare for all? Not on the wheel. Why is it not on the wheel? Because two thirds of the Democratic senators are not even on that bill, because a bunch of the new House members that got elected see the problems with blowing up the Affordable Care Act.
They see it right in front of them. And the truth is that when you see some troubled waters, you don't blow up a bridge. You build one until we need to improve the Affordable Care Act. It struck me. Just check three of. Let me get to you. Okay? You are OK, Senator Sanders. We'll get to him. All right. Got a lot of people in here. I got some. It's my turn. Yes, sir.
Somehow or another counter-attacked can provide universal health care to all the people. Half the cost. UK can do it. France can do with Germany. All of Europe can do it. Gee whiz. Somehow or another, we are the only major country on earth but can't do it. Why is that? I'll tell you why. It's because last year the health care industry made a hundred billion dollars in profits. Pharmaceutical industry. Top six companies. Sixty nine billion dollars of profit.
And those C all CEOs are contributing to Baetz campaign and all the campaigns. Let's clear this up. Maybe I want to get maybe it is finally time that we said it's a day you should. Enough is enough. The function of a rational health care system is not to make the pharmaceutical industry and the drug companies rich. It is to provide health care to all people. As a human right out of prison, Vice President Joe Pasteurize got no deductible.
Go ahead. Vice president. Senator. I'm the only one in this state that actually got it being done on health care. I'm the guy the president said go get the votes for Obamacare. And I noticed what everybody's talking about is the plan that I first introduced. That is to go and add to Obamacare, provide a public option, a Medicare like option. It costs and increase the subsidies. It cost a lot of money. It cost seven hundred and fifty billion.
Dollars over 10 years. But I pay for print making sure that Mike and other people pay the same tax rate their secretary pays, that that's how we get paid. Number one. Number two, you know, from the moment from the moment we passed that signature legislation, Mike called it a disgrace. Number one. Number two. Trump decided to get rid of it. Number three, my friends who came up with another plan. But they don't tell you when you ask Bernie how much it cost.
Last time he said that if he goes on your show, he said, we'll find out. We'll find out how or something to that effect. The cost over thirty five trillion bucks. Let's get real. So you get the final word on that. I.
So I actually. So I actually took a look at the plans that are posted near Bhuta Check. There are four expenses that families pay premiums, deductibles, co-pays and uncovered medical expenses. Nobody charge says he will put a cap only on the premiums. And that means families are going to pick up the rest of the costs. Amy, I looked online at your plan. It's two paragraphs. Families are suffering and they need a plan. You can't simply stand here and trash an idea to give health care coverage to everyone without having a realistic plan of your own.
And if you're not going to own up to the fact either you don't have a plan or your plan is going to leave people without health care coverage, full coverage, then you need to say so I just want to go home. That's always fun to read. When I met a man who said he had diabetes. He gets his insulin through this through the V.A.. But his sister and his daughter also have diabetes. No way to pay for their insulin.
Three human beings right here in the Fed. My plant is struggling. They share one very quickly, filling prescriptions. Mayor Bloomberg, Vice President Biden, right. You weren't a fan of Obamacare. I am a fan of Obamacare. Its beginnings. Mr. Vice President, I just checked the record because you'd said one time that I was not in 0 9. I testified and gave a speech before the mayors conference in Washington, advocating it and trying to get all the mayors to sign on.
And I think that that time I wrote an article praising Obamacare, we see there in The New York Post, The Daily News. So the facts are I was there. Grace, let me finish. Thank you. I was in favor of it. I thought it didn't do as go as far as we should. What Trump has done to this is a disgrace. The first thing we've got to do is get the White House and bring back those things that were left and then find a ways to expand it.
Another public option, having some rules about capping charges. All of those things. We shouldn't just walk away and start something that is totally new, untried. Pay if I start them, like the mayor said when we passed the signature piece of this administration. It's a disgrace. They're the exact words. It was a disgrace. Look it up. Check it out. It was a disgrace. I covered by the way, I planned. You do not have surprise billing.
You bring down drug prices. People are not giving people all the things we're just talking about. I guess you're not got time to do it, but get a chance to talk. Thank you, sir. Lester. All right. Mayor Bloomberg, at the beginning of this debate, you took some incoming fire on this next topic. So let's get into it in 2015. This is how you describe your policing policy as mayor. Quote, We put all the cops in the minority neighborhoods and you explain that is quote, because that's where all the crime is.
You went on to say, and the way you should get the guns out of the kid's hands is to throw them against the wall and frisk them. You've apologize for that policy. But what does that kind of language say about how you view people of color or people in minority neighborhoods? Well, if I go back and look at my time in office, the one thing that I'm really worried about, embarrassed about was how it turned out with stop and frisk.
When I got into office, there was six hundred and fifty murders a year in New York City. And I thought that my first responsibility was to give people the right to live. That's the basic right of everything. And we started it. We have adopted a policy which had been in place, the policy that all big police departments use of stop and frisk. What happened, however, was it got out of control. And when we discovered I discovered that we were doing many, many too many stop and frisks, we cut 95 percent of it.
And I've sat down with a bunch of African-American clergy and business people to talk about this, to try to learn. I've talked to a number of kids who'd been stopped, and I'm trying. I was trying to understand how we change our policies so we can keep the city safe because the crime rate did go from six hundred and fifty fifty percent down to three hundred. And we have to keep a lid on crime, but we cannot go out and stop people.
Mayor, discriminant or. Thank you. Let me go to Vice President Biden. If you want to respond to that. Yes, let's get something straight. The reason this stop and frisk change is because Barack Obama sent moderators to see what was going on when we sent them there to say. This practice has to stop. The mayor thought it was a terrible idea. We send them there. A terrible idea. Let's get the facts straight. Let's get the order straight.
And it's not whether he apologize or not. It's the policy. The policy was abhorrent. And it was, in fact, a violation of every great people had. And we're the one, right. Our administration said send in people to mortared and the prison. It's a very sad. The mayor argued against that. This idea that he figured out it was a bad idea. Figured out was a bad idea after we sent in monitors and said it must stop.
Even then, he continued the policy. Mayor, would you like to make a quick response? Yes, I would. I've sat. I've apologized. I've asked for forgiveness. But the bottom line is that we stopped too many people. But the policy but we stopped too many people. And we've got to make sure that we do something about criminal justice in this country. There is no great answer to a lot of these problems. And if we took off everybody that was wrong on this off this panel, everybody that was wrong on criminal justice is sometime in the careers.
There'd be nobody else up here. Let's be clear, client. I saw. Who did you cause any. Sorry. I. I do think that this really is about leadership and accountability. When the mayor says that he apologized. Listen very closely to the apology. The language he used is about stop and frisk. It's about how it turned out. Now, this isn't about how it turned down. This is about what it was designed to do to begin with.
It targeted color. It targeted black and brown men from the beginning. And if you want to issue a real apology, then the apology has to start with the intent of the plan as it was put together and the willful ignorance. Day by day by day of admitting what was happening, even as people protested in your own street, shutting out the sounds of people telling you how your own policy was breaking their lives. You need a different senator. Thank you.
Can I call this one? Senator Klobuchar will stay on this top. We're gonna stay on this topic, but I want to get something in here with Senator Klobuchar. When you were the top prosecutor in Minneapolis, Senator, there are at least two dozen instances where police were involved in the deaths of civilians. None of those officers were were prosecuted. You did prosecute a black teenager who was sentenced to life in prison despite what are now serious doubts about the evidence.
Now, the Minneapolis chapter of the NAACP has recently called for you to suspend your campaign over that case because some new evidence has come out since big picture. Why should black and Latino voters trust your judgment? Now, if it appears you may have gotten it wrong.
First, I'll start with that case. It is very clear that any evidence, if there is new evidence, even old evidence, it should be reviewed by that office and by the county attorney. That must happen. I have called for that review. This was a case involving an 11 year old African-American girl named Keisha Edwards who was shot doing her homework at her kitchen table. Three people were convicted. One of the cases is the one that is being investigated was investigated by a journalist.
And I think it's very important that that evidence come forward in terms of the police shootings that you noted. Those went to a grand jury. Every single one of them. And I've made very clear for months now that like so many prosecutors, I think those cases in my time, they were all going to the grand jury. It was thought that was the best way to handle them. In many, many states, you didn't speak up at the time, should you?
I actually did speak up on something very similar. And that was when our police chief in Minneapolis tried to take the investigations of police shootings into his own hands. And I strongly said I disagreed with that. Now, I do believe also that a prosecutor should make those decisions herself. And the last thing I will say, because you asked the question about voting, I had the support of African-Americans in my community in every election. I had strong support and strong support of leadership.
And that's because I earned it. And this is going to be on me to earn it. You earn it with the what you stand for when it comes to equal opportunity. You earn it with the work that I have done, the leadership I've shown on voting rights. And, yes, you earn it with the work that must be done on climate justice reform. You talk about transparency here because many Democrats, including most of you on stage, have criticized President Obama for his lack of transparency.
But Senator Sanders, when you are here in Las Vegas in October, you were hospitalized with a heart attack. Afterwards, you pledged to make a, quote, all your medical records public. You've released three letters from your doctors, but you now say you won't release anything more. What happened to your promise of full transparency? Well, I think we did. Let me tell you what happened. First of all, you're right. And thank you, Las Vegas, for the excellent medical care I got in the hospital two days.
And I think the one area maybe the Mayor Bloomberg and I'm sure you up to Spence as well. Already five years ago. Well, we both have two sons. That's the procedure that it's done about a million times a year. So we released the full report about a heart attack. Second of all, we released the full hold. Twenty nine years in the capital, the attending physician. All of my history, medical history. And furthermore, we release reports from two leading Vermont cardiologist who described my situation.
And by the way, who said Bernie Sanders is more than able to deal with the stress and the video of being president of the United States. Hey, follow me around the campaign trail. Three, four, five events a day. See how you're doing compared to me.
You've been critical about transparency on this stage and people needing to do better. Is that responsible, Senator Sanders, enough for you? No, it's not. Because, first of all, let me say, we're all delighted that you are fighting shape. And that's the same time. Transparency matters, especially living through the Trump era. Now, under President Obama, the standard was that the president would release full medical records to a physical and release the readout.
I think that's the standard that we should hold ourselves to as well. Now, President Trump lowered that standard. He said just a letter from a doctor is enough. And a lot of folks on this stage are now saying that's enough. But I am certainly prepared to go to physical, put out the results. I think everybody here should be willing to do the same. But I'm actually less concerned about the lack of transparency on Sanders personal health than I am about the lack of transparency on how to pay for his health care plan, since he said that it's impossible to even know how much it's going to cost.
And even after raising taxes on everybody making twenty nine thousand dollars, there is still a multi trillion dollar hole of fact. If you add up his policies all together, they come to 50 trillion dollars. He's only explained twenty five trillion dollars worth of revenue, which means that the hole in there is bigger than the size of the entire economy of the United States. Now the time has come to level with the American people on matters personal and on matters of thank you, Senator Sanders, quickly.
That's lovely. Let's level two of your plan, which is a maintenance continuation of the status quo. Let's finish. The average American today is paying $12000 a year. That's what the family is paying, 20 percent of a sixty thousand income. Twelve thousand dollars a year. Highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. Just the other day, a major study came out from Yale epidemiologist in Lancet, one of the leading medical publications in the world. What they said, my friends, is Medicare for all will save four hundred and fifty billion dollars a year.
Because we are eliminating the absurdity of thousands of separate plans that require hundreds of billions of dollars of administration. And by the way, ending the hundred billion a year in profiteering for the drug companies. Your choices?
My plan is pretty schools. And that's false. Look, if my plan is the status quo, why was it attacked by the insurance industry? The moment it came out? And on issue after issue after issue, this is what Senator Sanders is saying. If you're not with him, if you're not all the way on his side, then you must be for the status quo. We know what that is, a picture that leaves most of the American people out.
I want you to have Bloomberg on his knees. Could I very briefly, transparency, Mayor Bloomberg, your campaign has said that you would eventually release your tax records. Yes. If it comes to transparency. But people are already voting now. Why should Democratic voters have to wait?
It just takes us a long time, unfortunately or fortunately not comment on that. Fortunately, I make a lot of money and we do business all around the world and we are preparing it to take the number of pages will probably be thousands of pages. I can't go to TurboTax, but I put out my tax return every year for twelve years in City Hall. We will put out this one. It says tells everybody everything they need to know about every investments that I make and where the money goes.
And the biggest item is all the money I give away. And we list that every single donation I make. And you can get that from our friend from our foundation anytime you want. I'm just looking at my husband in the front row that has to like do our taxes all the time. And we probably could go to TurboTax. And the point of this is I believe in transparency. I had a physical by the way, it came out well, we might all be surprised if my blood pressure is lower than Mayor Pete.
That might really shock everyone out there. And I think you should release your records from your physical. Secondly, when it comes to tax returns. Everyone up here has released their tax returns. Mayor, I think and it is a major issue because the president of the United States has been hiding behind his tax returns. Even when courts order him to come forward with those tax returns, I think I don't care how much money anyone has. I think it's great that a lot of money.
But I think you've got to come forward with your tax returns. And I want to a second. Mayor Bloomberg Cook responds to Senator Klobuchar.
We're releasing him. They'll be out in a few weeks. And that's just as fast as I can do it. Remember, I only entered into this race 10 weeks ago. All of my associates here have been at this for a couple of years. And we are getting something else, Mr. Mayor, because he. Mayor Bloomberg. Let me ask you something else. And get it done. I wish it were that simple. I'll let you get it.
Mayor, write me a lot of money. Let me ask you about something else. Several former employees have claimed that your company was a hostile workplace for women when you were confronted about it. You admitted making sexually suggestive remarks saying, quote, That's the way I grew up in a lawsuit in the 1990s, according to The Washington Post. One former female employee alleged that you said, quote, I would do you in a second. Should Democrats expect better from their nominee?
Let me let me say a couple of things. And I can have my full minute quarter. Thank you. I have no tolerance for the kind of behavior that the metoo movement movement has exposed. And anybody that does anything wrong in our company, we investigate it. And if it's appropriate, they're gone that day. But let me tell you what I do in my company and my foundation and in city government. When I was there in my foundation, the person that runs it's a woman, 70 percent of the people there were women in my company.
Lots and lots of women have big responsibilities. They paid exactly the same as men. And in my in city hall person, that's the top person. My deputy mayor was a woman and 40 percent of our commissioners were women. I am very proud of the fact that about two weeks ago we were awarded we were voted the most felt that the best place to work second best place in America. If that doesn't say something about our employees and how happy they are, I don't know.
What does Senator wear even critical of that. But on this issue, yes, I have. And I hope you heard what his defense was. I'd been nice to some women. The mayor has to stand on his record, and what we need to know is exactly what's lurking out there. He has gotten some number of women, dozens, who knows, to sign nondisclosure agreements both for sexual harassment and for gender discrimination in the workplace. So, Mr. Mayor, are you willing to release all of those women from those nondisclosure agreements so we can hear their side of the story?
We have a very few nondisclosure agreements. How many? How many is that? None of them accuse me of doing anything other than maybe they didn't like the joke I told. And let me just. And let me point would be agreements between two parties that wanted to keep it quiet. And that's up to them. They signed those agreements and we'll live with it. So wait, when you say it is up, I just want to be clear.
Some is how many and and when you and when you say they signed them and they wanted, then if they wish now to speak out and tell their side of the story about what it is they allege, that's now okay with you. You're releasing them on television tonight. Except, Senator.
Tonight, the company and somebody else in this case, the man or woman or could be more than that. They decided when they made an agreement that they wanted to keep it quiet for everybody's interest. Come on. They sign the agreements and that's what we're going to have. I'm sorry. You know, the question is, are the Internet bound by being muzzled by you? And you could release them from that immediately. But let's understand, this is not just a question of the mayor's character.
This is also a question about electability. We are not going to be Donald Trump with a man who has who knows how many non-disclosure agreements and the drip, drip, drip of stories of women saying they have been harassed and discriminated against. Let's get something straight here. It's easy, all the mayor has to do is say you are released from the nondisclosure.
You talk about we talk about transparency here. This guy got himself in trouble. They began just saying that he would. There is anonymous. He couldn't disclose what he did. He went to his companies. He's not going to tell us about the list of clients.
But he said he went to the company, said, I want to be released. I want to be able to do it. Look, this is about transparency from the very beginning where there's your health record, where there's your taxes, whether it's whether you have cases against you, whether or not people have signed nondisclosure agreements. You think that women, in fact, were ready to say, I don't want anybody to know about what you did to me.
That's not how it works. The way it works is they say, look, this is what you did to me. And the merit comes along. And his attorney said, I will give you this amount of money if you promise you'll never say anything. That's how it works. I said we're not going to get to any of these agreements because they were made consensually and they have every right to expect that they will stay private if they want to release it.
They should be able to release it themselves. Yeah. Yes. You know, we talk about electability and everybody up here wants to be Trump. And we talked about stop and frisk and we told her guys the established and the problems there. But maybe we should also ask Mayor Bloomberg in 2004 supported George W. Bush for president, put money into Republican candidates for the United States Senate when some of us, Joe and I and others were fighting for Democrats to control the United States Senate.
And David Hawker, maybe we can talk about a billionaire saying that we should not raise the minimum wage or that we should cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid if that's a way to beat Donald Trump. Wow. I would be very surprised.
Thank you, Senator Vanessa, to you right away. Senator kopitar, you're running are your Washington experience. But last week in a Telemundo interview, you could not name the president of Mexico or discuss any of his policies. Last night, you defending yourself saying, quote, This is in jeopardy. But my question to you is, should our next president know more about one of our largest trading partners? And I don't think that that moment, terror, momentary forgetfulness, actually reflects what I know about Mexico and how much I care about it.
And I first want to say greetings to President Lopez Obrador. Secondly, I what I meant by the Game of Jeopardy is that I think we could all come up with things. You know, how many members are there in the Israeli Knesset? One hundred twenty. Who is the president? And Duras Hernandez comes to Mexico. I am the one person on this stage that came out first to say I was for the U.S. Mexican Canadian trade agreement. That is going to be one of the number one duties of a president and a chaplain.
And my colleague specifically asked you if you could name the press, the sequel and your response was not. Yes, that's right. And I said that I made an error. I think having a president that maybe is humble and is able to admit that here in there maybe wouldn't be a bad thing. But if you let me respond. Liken this to trivial. I actually didn't know how many members were in the contestants, so I guess you go put you're staking your candidacy on your Washington experience.
You're on the committee that oversees border security. You're on the committee that does trade. You're literally in that part of the committee that's overseeing these things. And we're not able to speak to literally the first thing about the politics of the for you ourselves. Are you trying to say that I'm done? Are you mocking me here? Trivial. I made an error. People sometimes forget names. I am the one that has. No one has the experience based on passing over.
One thinking is. If I could respond, this was a pretty big allegation. He's basically saying that I don't have the experience to be president of the United States. I have passed over 100 bills as a lead Democrat since being in the U.S. Senate. I am the one not you, that has won statewide in congressional district after congressional district. And I will say, when you tried in Indiana, Pete, to run. What happened to you? You lost by over 20 points to someone who later lost to my friend Joe Donnelly.
So don't tell me about experience. What unites us here is we want to win. And I think we should put a proven winner in charge of the ticket this week, the race for president. If winning the race for Senate in Minnesota translated directly to becoming president, I would have grown up under the presidency of Walter Mondale. This is different. And the reason that I think we need to talk about Washington experience is that we should ask what that experience has led to experiences.
And certainly tenure is not always the same thing as judgment. We're going to talk about votes in the Senate in Washington. Let's talk about that. Oh, yes, I would. Senator, warm and very this call questions for you. I want to talk about maybe forever to defend Senator Globalstar for a minute. This is not right. I understand that she forgot the name. It happens. It happens to everybody on this stage. Look, we want to ask about whether or not you understand trade policy with Mexico have had it.
And if you get it wrong, man, you ought to be held accountable for that. You want to ask about the economy and you get it wrong. You ought to be held accountable. You want to ask about a thousand different issues and you get it wrong. You ought to be held accountable. But let's just be clear. Missing a name all by itself does not indicate that you do not understand what's going on. That's why right here. I said I could not discuss Mexican police here.
Only one knows this man. I do have to respond. Just invoke my name again and I ask you to look at the interview I did directly after the forum, which we went into great detail on Latin American policy, and I want to say one thing about Mayor Pete, where we just disagree. He was asked on the debate stage about the Mexican cartels, which are bad, bad criminal organizations. He said that he would be open to classifying them as terrorists organizations.
I actually don't agree with that. That is a very valid debate to have. I don't think that would be good for our security coordination with Mexico. And I think you got that wrong both at least in Mexico. But you guys have a chance to say something. Si. Thank you. Look, I'm the only one who spent extensive hundreds of hours in Latin America. I've met with this president. I've met with the last president before. This was all.
So y'all ready to play some Nevada trivia? I'm only half joking here. Let's talk about this issue because it's up there in polls. Voters are really concerned about it, as you all know. What you might not know is that Las Vegas and Reno are the vibrant economic engines for the state of Nevada and are also to the fastest warming cities in the country in certain months of the year. The heat is already an emergency situation for residents and for tourists walking up and down the strip.
Some to start with you, Mr. Vice President. What specific policies would you implement that would keep Las Vegas and Reno livable, but also not hurt those economies?
It is the existential threat that humanity faces. Global warming. We're not protected. You have a facility where you have one of the largest, largest solar panel arrays in the world. And that's when the fourth stage is completed. You'll be able to take care of 60 thousand homes for every single bit of their needs. And what I would do is, number one, work on providing the forty seven billion dollars we have for detecting and for making sure we find answers is to provide a way to transmit that wind and solar energy across the network of all of the United States to invest in battery technology.
I would immediately restate all of the elimination of the core of everything, what Trump has eliminated in terms of EPA. I would secondly, make sure that we had five hundred thousand new nukes charging stations in every new highway we built in the United States of America or repaired. I would make sure that we once again made sure that we got the mileage standards back up, which would have saved over twelve billion barrels of oil. Had he not walked away from it, and I would I would invest in rail and rail.
Rail can take hundreds of thousands, millions of cars off the road if we have high speed rail.
Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I want to get some of the rest of you on this because you all have plans. Mayor Bloomberg. Let me read let me read what you said about this issue. You said you want to intensify U.S. and international actions to stop the expansion of coal. How exactly are you going to do that?
Well, already we've closed three hundred and four out of the five hundred and thirty coal fired power plants in the United States. And we've closed 80 out of the two or three hundred that are in Europe. Bloomberg Philanthropies working with the Sierra Club. That's one of the things you do. Let's just let's start at the beginning. If you president, the first thing you do, the first days you rejoin the Paris agreement. This is just ridiculous. Press to drop to.
America's responsibility is to be the leader in the world. And if we don't, we're the ones that are going to get hurt just as much as anybody else. And that's why I don't want to have us cut off all relationships with China, because you will never solve this problem without China and India, Western Europe and America. That's for most of us. I just finished one of the things that I believe and you can tell me what this is, right?
It's a solar array that the vice president was talking about is being closed because it's not economic that you can put solar panels in and modern technology even more modern than that. All right. I just want to let Senator Warren jump in here. Just because you've said something that's really specific to Nevada and the tension here in this state is between people want renewable energy and people want conservation on public lands. Eighty five percent of Nevada is managed by the federal government.
You have said that you were going to have an executive order that would stop drilling on public lands, stop mining, which is a huge industry here. You've got to have lithium. You've got to have copper for renewable energy. How do you do that? So, look, I think we should stop all new drilling and mining on public lands and all offshore drilling if we need to make exceptions because there are specific minerals that we've got to have access to.
Then we locate those and we do it not in a way justice about the profits of giant industries, but in a way that is sustainable for the environment. We cannot continue to let our public lands be used for profits by those who don't care about our environment and are not making it better. Look, I'm going to say something that is really controversial in Washington, but I think I'm safe to say this here in Nevada. I believe in science and I believe that the way we're going to deal with this problem is that we are going to increase by tenfold our investment in science.
There's an upcoming twenty seven trillion dollar market worldwide for green, and much of what is needed has not yet been invented. My proposal is let's invent it here in the United States and then say we invented in the U.S., you've got to build it in the U.S. We're going to get the million man. We're going to disagree. We're going to stick to this topic. But Senator Sanders, I'm going to move to fracking. You want a total? And on natural gas extraction, the fracking in the next five years industry obviously supports a lot of a lot of jobs around the country, including thousands in the battleground state of Pennsylvania.
One unit official there told The New York Times, quote, If we end up with a Democratic candidate that supports a fracking ban, I'm going to tell my members that either you don't vote or you vote for the other guy. What do you tell these workers? It's supporting a big industry right now, sir. Well, I tell these workers is that the scientists are telling us that if we don't act incredibly boldly within the next six, seven years, there will be irreparable damage done, not just to Nevada, not just to Vermont or Massachusetts, but to the entire world.
Joe Setted. Right. This is an existential threat. You know what that means, trucker. That means we're fighting for the future of this planet. And the Green New Deal that I support, by the way, will create up to 20 million good paying jobs as we move our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency and sustainable energy. This is a moral issue. My friends, we have to take the responsibility of making sure that the planet we leave our children and grandchildren is a planet that is healthy and habitable that is more important than the profits of the fossil fuel industry.
And to keep this going. Senator Klobuchar, you're not on the same page and a total ban of fracking. You call it a transitional fuel. But scientists are sounding this alarm now. Do you take these warnings that maybe fracking is a step backwards, not a step forward, not a transition? I've made it very clear that we have to review all of the permits that are out there right now for natural gas and then make decisions on each one of them and then not grant new ones until we make sure that it's safe.
But it is a transitional fuel. And I want to add something that really hasn't been brought up by my colleagues. This is a crisis and a lot of our plans are very similar. To get to carbon neutral by 2045 2050, something like that. But we're not going to be able to pass this unless we bring people with us. I'm looking at these incredible senators from Nevada, Catherine Cortez Masto and Jackie Rosen. And I'm thinking that they know how important this is.
And you can do this in a smart way. 1. Get back into that international climate change agreement to clean power rules. Bring those back and the president can do this herself without Congress as well as the gas mileage standard. But when it comes to putting a sweep price on carbon, this is very important. We have to make sure that that money goes back directly as dividends to the people that are going to need help for paying their bills. Otherwise, we're not going to pass it.
So there has to be a heart to the policy to get this done. Senator Warner addressed the worker issue. If you don't mind as well, I can address the worker issue. Yes. We can have a green new deal and create jobs. We need people in infrastructure who will help build. We have that job tomorrow. That's what they're concerned about. Those jobs are for tomorrow. Those are the ones we need to be working on to harden our infrastructure right now.
But listen to Senator kilobyte Shah's point. She says we have to think smaller in order to get it passed. I don't think that's the right approach here. Why can't we get anything passed in Washington on climate? Everyone understands the urgency, but we've got two problems. The first is corruption, an industry that makes its money filled all through Washington. The first thing I want to do in Washington is pass my anti-corruption bill so that we can start making the changes we need to make on climate.
And the second is the filibuster. If you're not willing to roll back the filibuster, then you're giving the fossil fuel industry a veto. Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Vanessa. Vice President Biden said that he would want to hold oil and gas executives accountable for their role in harming our planet. You even suggest as that you might put in jail. Which companies are you talking about? And how far are you willing to go? I wanted to go as far as we have to.
First of all, I would eliminate all the subsidies we have for gas, a limited period that would save millions and billions of dollars. Number two, I think that any executive who is engaged. And by the way, minority communities and the communities being most badly hurt, by the way, in which we deal with climate change. They are the ones who become the victims. That's what he has. That's right. That's true. The ground water supply is polluted.
That's where, in fact, people, in fact, do not have the opportunity to be able to get away from everything from still asbestos in the walls of our schools. I have a trillion dollar program for infrastructure that will. Vied for thousands and thousands of new jobs, not $15 an hour, but fifty dollars an hour plus benefits. Unions. Unions being able to do that. And what it does is it will change that nature. Look, here's the last point of I'm and my time is gonna run out.
Here's the last point I want to make to you. On day one, when I'm elected president, I'm going to invite all of the members of the Paris Accord to Washington, D.C. They make up 85 percent of the problem. They know me. I'm used to dealing with international relations. I will get them to up the ante. Did you get an answer to my questions? I thought I did. What would you do with these companies that are responsible for the destruction of our planet?
What would I do with them? I would make sure they. Number one, stop. Number two, if you demonstrate that they, in fact, have done things already that are bad and they've been lying. They should be able to be sued. They should be able to be held personally accountable. And they should not only not only the company, not the stockholders, but the CEOs of those companies. They should be engaged. It's a little bit like, look, this is the industries we should be able to sue.
We should go after just like we did the drug companies, just like we did way with the tobacco companies. The only company we can't go after are gun manufacturers like my buddy here.
But that's we're going to stay on the topic. But my question is to Mayor Bloomberg. Mayor Bloomberg, your business is heavily invested in China. I think you mentioned a few questions back. The number one producer in the world of carbon emissions. How far would you go to force China to reduce those emissions emissions and tackle the climate crisis? You're not going to go to war with them. You have to negotiate with them and try to. And we've seen how well that works with tariffs that are hurting us.
Which you have to do is convince the Chinese that is in their interest as well. Their people are going to die just as our people are going to die and we work together. In all fairness, the Chinese have slowed down. It's India that is an even bigger problem, but it is an enormous problem. Nobody is doing anything about it. We could right here in America make a big difference with closing the coal fired power plants. If we enforce some of the rules on fracking so that they don't release methane into the air and into the water, you'll make a big difference.
But we're not going to get rid of fracking for well, and we fracking certainly not just natural gas. You fracked oil as well. It is a technique. And when it's done poorly like they're doing in too many places where the methane gets out into the air, it is very damaging. But it's a transition fuel. I think the senator said it right. We want to go to all renewables, but that's still many years from now. And before I think to some of mentioned 2050 for some data, no scientists thinks the numbers for 2050 or 2050, more than 2040, 2035.
The world is coming apart faster than any scientific study had predicted. Just got something. Your thoughts? Let's be real about the deadline. It's not 2050. It's not 2040. It's not 2030 is 2020. Because if we don't elect a president who actually believes in climate science now, we will never meet any of the other scientific or policy deadlines that we need.
So, first of all. Let's make sure we're actually positioned to win, which once again, if we put forward the two of the most polarizing figures on this stage as the only option is going to be a real struggle. Now I've got a plan to get us carbon neutral by 2050 and I think everybody up here.