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Imploding the Mirage, the incredible new album from The Killers. Featuring the hit singles Caution and My Own Soul's Warning. That killers imploding the mirage out now that Pat Kenny show on Newstalk. Now, the pandemic and subsequent school closures gave parents around the country a taste of what home schooling their child would entail. But what is the process that a person parent has to go through officially to home school?


Do you need to follow established curriculums and timetables? And could that different approach prove beneficial for your child's education? I'm joined by a homeschooler and teacher, Kliner Brophy. Good morning.


Good morning, Pat. How are you? I'm very well.


Now you are homeschooling. One, two, three, four. How many children?


Sometimes it feels like 12, but actually only two.


OK, what ages are they? My daughter just turned 12 and my son is 10 next week. So older. Older than that. The primary school age there. The earlier primary school years. Now, when did you decide that you would homeschool and the children have never been to school, and we decided pretty much in the year that my daughter turned four and we came across an article in the Irish Times about home schoolers, that this is obviously six, seven years ago.


And we found that there were other people homeschooling. It sounded interesting to us and we decided to investigate at the time, see what it would be like for us after the she wasn't really ready for school at the age of four, four and a half at the time.


Now, are you a teacher? I am, yes.


I should say you are as a homeschooler, you're a teacher anyway, but you're a teacher with the qualification. But you don't have to be.


No, absolutely not. And there are a number of I have met some other teachers who are homeschoolers as well. But it is not absolutely not a requirement.


And some might say it is even a hindrance because you have your own with with being trained to be a teacher, you see, and you keep seeing standards and you know, your you what you are trained to follow certain ways of doing things.


And homeschooling is very different than the then managing a classroom of 20, 30 children.


So now when you're homeschooling, you, in effect, set the curriculum or other. I think you may even let the children set the curriculum. What they're interested in, they're allowed to follow.


There is that freedom within homeschooling, which is it can be refreshing and of course, it can be very daunting. And the national curriculum exists. And if you want to follow it, curriculum online, i.e. all of the national curriculum for primary and secondary is available to the public to find out the information. But everybody, every parent knows their own child's interests and that each child is different. And you are, of course, able to then follow your own child's interests and their particular abilities at their level.


And whether that's that they're, you know, really want to focus on one aspect of and, you know, researching into space for six months. You can do that. And within that, you can use you can you can cover a lot of the aspects of the curriculum. There's reading, there's history, there is science within a lot of these topics that the children want to follow. There is something this is called this can be called unschooling, which is a term that parents who might be interested in homeschooling should investigate to see if it is something that might suit themselves, their own children.


It's called unschooling. And it is it it is it sort of encompasses that freedom and that I've talked about there about just following the child's interest. So it isn't necessarily allowing the child to do what they want. It is to facilitate the child, to learn in the depth that they want to learn one thing and it can sort of affect your whole day and that the whole way the family works as a as a unit as well.


Now, the other thing, you can set your timetable in the sense at what time do they start to.


They start early. Do they start, you know, finish early? Do they start later in the day than they might do in a formal school?


It depends on what you mean by starting my my answer to that is actually the title starts when they start to learn and within if you're looking for that, I suppose that would be that the homeschooling ethos, that learning happens all the time.


And everybody who has a child knows that the child, if the child needs to know something at nine o'clock at night, just before bedtime, they need to know the answer before they go to sleep. However, yes, we do have the freedom and the wonderful aspect of homeschooling for one of them is that you don't have to get up on the dark winter morning and get your child out of the house before anybody actually wants to be out of bed. Typically, from my family's point of view, we we don't start early.


We do sit down. We do some school lessons at home, formal education with the children from in our family. And a normal day would not start before half past ten in the morning and finishing. Then again, it depends on what you want to do. If it's if you're thinking specifically only about getting certain pages in a workbook done when you're teaching, when you're with a child that is learning one to one, a lot of school textbooks have some busy work in them to keep the the the the the children who are ahead occupied so that the other children can catch up.


And when you're doing a working with a child one to one, and it is much faster or it can be much slower because they want to go in more detail and more depth and it can take longer.


OK, now what do you have to be to be qualified as a home schooler?


I mean, you have to go through Tuzla and they have a kind of a whole interview process with what they call an approved person.


What's that process like? And is it easily forthcoming, this permission to do home schooling?


The to answer your last question easily, I can't speak for Tussler, but further from hearsay, from the all of the people that I've been in contact with, there's a large homeschooling community, particularly on Facebook, and it is extremely rare that a person, a family would be not approved. And now the process itself is there's two options for somebody who is interested in applying for this. And the first is a letter sending a physical letter.


An email won't do because you need a signature with your child's details and that you are intending to homeschool to the department within Tussler related to education as a place other than a recognized school, which is a bit of a mouthful.


And then you will hear back from that tussler within a few days to acknowledge that you have sent in this letter.


The other option is there is a form to fill in, which goes in a little bit more detail about how you plan as a parent to facilitate your child's learning. And that form is available on their Teszler website as well.


And once you've applied, I've been checking up on this. Once you've applied, then you can start homeschooling, but you don't forsake a place in a school until you get the nod from Tuzla.


So but the school has told, look, we're home schooling so the person is not marked absent when they're expected in the school.


So it's all pretty sophisticated in its approach. There is a provision in the Constitution, isn't there, to allow parents to homeschool?


Yes, it's article 42 of the Constitution, recognises the parent as the primary education of the child and that homes and permits home schooling and home education. The terms are interchangeable. And there is so that that is in our Constitution, which is a great support to the community. I have to say now the big question, I suppose people will say, what about socialization?


That's the issue, you know, not meeting Powles and not being on school teams and all the rest of it now.


And I would like to say in your introduction that you mentioned that a lot of people had a taste of what home schooling is like through the lockdown. But I would actually say that home schooling is not like lockdown schooling. And we are by and large, as a group of homeschoolers, there are organizations if you if if somebody is interested in finding out, they can find through Facebook using home education or our home schooling and their county and they can find local groups.


We were absolutely devastated as much as anybody else because we could not go out and about and meet our friends the same as any child in school. We are still not necessarily meeting up with people and of people who will meet up and will organize meet ups and go, for example, on a school, a school. Outing to a museum, parents as well as children, and that can happen. Last year we were out once or twice a week with.


But the we seem to know, of course, every time there is still opportunity to go join in extracurricular activities like sports and music and so on, like any other sport at Roffey, whose home schooling parent of two, I suppose, if clean is still there.


The remaining question is about cert examinations not possible to do the junior cert, but there are alternatives, but the leading search and then access to college and all of that.


And yes, well, now not possible to do the junior staff. That depends if you're coming out of a school and your child is in third year, then please keep talking to the school. There should be opportunities there to it for a child to set with their previous school and for accessing leaving certificate. You you can study for leaving search at home. There are a certain number of subjects that would have practical elements to be overseen with a teacher. So that needs to be something taken into the mix of choice of subjects and access in college itself.


And there are many ways to do so. Every university and every third level college has other options because of course people come from other countries to colleges in Ireland as well, in normal years, let's say.


And so, yes, home schooling students do absolutely do the leaving cert. As we know, there's been a big case in the courts recently with their home school students accessing his grades. And there is still other ways to get to a course of your choice. And a lot of homeschooling students are very motivated and self driven learners and pretty much can access at the same as anybody else the third level courses that they that they want to do. All right, klingner, we will leave it there.


P.L.C. is one way to go, by the way, to get into those university courses. But Klina Brophy is homeschooling parent of two. Thank you from.


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