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I called the forty two brothers and I said, I think the US is in trouble right now and I think we can buy it and I think we should within two months.

We own the UFC for two million dollars and you will have to say what it's worth now while we sold it.

And two thousand sixteen for four billion.

Jesus Christ.

Hi, welcome back to just be with me, Bethenny Frankel. So I was telling my boyfriend Paul the other day how, like trashy is very in now, just like being slutty, talking about Dick that you want Dick, that you haven't had enough dick lately. I think Samantha on Sex and the City started this whole thing where it was liberation and sexuality, which I get because it's so many. I get it like the men have been the players and the men talk about their conquests and sex.

Why can't women and I totally, totally get it. So I was talking to Paul about this. How particularly on TV it really. It sells sex sells, it always has, but like in another not to another level, and we were talking about sex and songs and Paul was talking about Pour some Sugar on me, which I mean, I guess when I was a kid. And even now, whoever thought about the lyrics, you know, the I've got the magic stick.

I mean, I'm sure you know what that's about and all these other sort of metaphors. So I get it also. And maybe that's for me where the line is. So he says to me, do you know the song wop or webapp wop? I don't know. So I said, what is that? He said, It stands for wet ass pussy is what he said. It's the broken records. It's the number one album on blah, blah, blah, and it's Cardi B and it's like, oh, excuse me.

So he says when asked Pussy's the title. So I'm just like, oh my. You know, all of a sudden I have an apron on and my son is Leave It to Beaver. Like I was just like, oh OK. So then. He plays me the lyrics, which I happen to have here, and what ass pussy is said 50 times in a song, if it said one like we don't we didn't just double down on it.

We didn't just name the song. And we're just talking about the wet ass pussy ad nauseum. By the way, it's a good song and like it seems written really well. I don't know everything about that, but it feels like an Meggan the stallion. Is really good in it, like she's great, but there's a background that says there's some whores in this house, so. Whores are good, I guess so now I thought whores was a derogatory comment, bring a bucket and a mop for this wet ass pussy.

The N-word is used, spit in my mouth, take a dive in this in this pussy, OK, very graphic. Again, I know you feel like I'm running a church group. I'm not park your Mack truck in my tiny garage, OK? I do not think she has a tiny garage. By the way, I'd like to mention, given the nature of his song and the graphic detail, I think she has at least a two or three car garage.

I just don't I mean, any person who says that their vagina smells like peaches likely doesn't have a vagina that smells like peaches. And any girl who says it's a tiny garage probably could park an 18 wheeler in their garage. You can also swipe your credit card on it, which seems like that would be helpful. How what does a pussy need to be?

I just want to know, like, do you need, like, a lifeguard for it or do we need to be putting on floating of life vest? You know, I just it seems like you need to be wearing rain boots and have a slicker and maybe I just don't relate my song to be white ass pussy. You have to write about what you know. I just didn't know that it all needed to be that wet and that you need to be able to park a fucking Mack truck in it.

So I think you get the picture. So anyway, I'm thinking now everybody is going to go to the same thing. I'm thinking. I'm thinking about my daughter. I'm thinking about ticktock. She's definitely going to hear this like it's a lot. I understand freedom of speech or I did before I heard this song. And I'm just thinking, is there a line like is the next album about anal sex, like in graphic detail? Is there a line?

Is there not a line? You know, I'm not young. You know, I'm in my late forties. So am I old fashioned? I can't believe I'm old fashioned, but I think I might be, by the way, if I weren't talking about the song and I talked about this with my assistant, she could probably sue me for sexual harassment. What have I just said to her when she came in? What do you think about a dick in the back of my throat on that dangly thing?

That's what I that was my goal for this weekend. But second of all, I don't like when men speak like that. Like in my life, we haven't liked that men have been players. We haven't liked that men called women sluts because they get to be called players and we haven't liked it. So that doesn't mean that now we're going to like being called a whore. It's still not something you want. I would want my daughter to hear to be.

So I don't that's the thing that's confusing to me. I don't want my daughter when she's quite a BS age to talk about or what ass pussy I have. Maybe I'm more conservative than people would believe. I just I'm not a man. I respect her as a as an artist. And I like that she is hysterical and says whatever she wants to say, she's got huge, huge pop culture power and she's, you know, great dance music and really talented artist.

And I get the point. It's like shock value to say it's freedom of speech and empowering. But like, I don't know why that's empowering. All right. So let me know what you think on that. Is there a line to women talking about sex the way men do? Do you think it's empowering? Let me know your thoughts and just be with Bethany.

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All right, now I'm going to move on to something totally different. My conversation with Dana White. Today, I'm speaking with Dana White, the president of the UFC, a.k.a., the ultimate fighting championship, he's completely transformed the world of fighting. He is a brilliant businessman. He started out as a middle class Boston boy and now he's a mixed martial arts, a.k.a. M-m, a mogul leading the industry. He has a pretty incredible story of how he built the UFC into what it is today.

And we get into his very honest thoughts about the media. And my whole staff is scared of him. He's a gangster. He's a boss, and we share a mantra. So let's get into it with Dana White.

Hi, Dana. Hi, how are you? I'm OK, how are you? Thank you for being here. I'm happy to be here. I'm awesome. Thanks. Congrats. Congrats to you and all your success. Well, thank you.

And right back at you. And we're very close in age, so there may be some similarities as to when we achieved success. And, you know, we have just similar cultural references and we came up around the same time. I went to be you. I know you're from Boston.

Yup. Yup. We grew up in Massachusetts and we eventually left Massachusetts and went to Vegas when I was about 10.

OK, because you don't have a Boston accent. I got like a hybrid accent. People from Boston think I have an accent. People from Vegas think I have an accent. So I'm fucked. I'm in the middle somewhere.

Is there a Vegas accent?

I guess so. According to Boston people, there is really I wonder what that with a Nevada accent is.

I've never thought of that. OK, so you're the president of the UFC, the largest MMA organization in the world. I mean, the fact that you can say that and that you are such a success story started from the bottom. Now you hear is unbelievable. But I'm sure you've had an interesting past to bring you to this point. So how did you grow up? How would you explain your upbringing? And did you come from nothing? Did you come from any means?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, we didn't have a lot of money out a single mom. And, you know, my mom worked hard and did everything she could for us. But now we didn't we didn't grow up with a lot. It's like when I turned 16, I didn't get a car. I went to a private school. I don't even know how she pulled that off. But, you know, I'd go to school and kids had all the cool clothes I had, like the you know, they'd have polo and I'd have some fucking guy with a flag on a horse, you know, the fake fake polo shirt.

And so we did grow up with money, but I didn't grow. I wouldn't say I grew up dirt poor either. But do you know what it feels like to feel broke?

One hundred percent. Yeah, I was I was definitely broke. You know, when I was 18, 19 years old, I worked at the Boston Harbor Hotel. I made good money. I made tips, you know, I supported myself, hated it, walked out the door one day and said, I'm going to be in the fight business, went out and shot this kid. His name was Peter Welch. He's a fight legend in Boston. I went and found him, said, I know this sounds weird, but I want to work on you and I want to learn everything about the fight business.

Crazy enough, he took me in, taught me everything, and from there, you know, I started training people and you were training them. Yeah, I was trained. You were a boxing trainer. Wow. Boxing at that time. It was boxing. Yeah. OK, I started training people when I came back to Vegas. I actually started training here, built gyms. And right when we bought the UFC, I had three gyms here in Las Vegas.

I wasn't rich by any means, but I was doing well. You were making a living. Yeah, exactly. So you started off with boxing, but you navigated your way into mixed martial arts and. I mean, you've pretty much created that sector of the world. This is a new category. This is a new industry that you've created a new, you know, a new niche.

Yeah, you're very right. Where did that start or how did that happen?

So I'll start I'll start actually in nineteen ninety five, I came back to Las Vegas and I went to a wedding of a buddy of mine that I grew up with in high school named Adam Corgan. And at his wedding I bumped into Fertitta Brothers. They owned station casinos here in Las Vegas, which is like the fourth largest gaming company in the country. And Lorenzo Fertitta had just gotten on the athletic commission and he heard that I was training people here, boxes like I just got on the athletic commission.

I want to work out with you. So we started training together, and that was in ninety five or ninety six. And he and I have been together ever since. In nineteen ninety eight. Me and his brother Frank were out one night at the Hard Rock and Las Vegas, and we saw this ultimate fighting guy. His name was John Lewis, and at that time he had the only Brazilian jujitsu school in Las Vegas. And Frank and I always wanted to train jujitsu.

So we approached him. We talked to him. And the following Monday, we started training with them. Frank, Lorenzo and I, we became obsessed with jujitsu. And through them, we started to meet some of the fighters that were in the UFC and we were blown away by how smart they were and their back stories. Most of these guys went to college. Wow.

Yeah. That's not the typical sort of stereotype in your mind about fighters and especially UFC fighters.

You know, at that time, there was a stigma attached to this sport that, you know, two men out of the cage, one man leaves. You know, these guys are brutal, vicious, you know, killers. That was the complete opposite. All these guys had come from a martial arts background. They were great guys and had great stories and mostly college educated.

So it's like an art form versus being like the gladiators were just killing each other one hundred percent.

So we started to look at this thing and go, God, this, this, this could be big. Are we that crazy that we love this this much and the rest of the world wouldn't love this as much as we do. And I started to meet some of the guys and started to manage some of them, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz and a few other guys. And I got into this huge contract battle with the old owner of the UFC over Tito Ortiz, his contract.

And through that one day he flipped out on me and said, you know what? There is no more fucking money, right? There's no money. I don't even know if I have enough money to put on the next pay per view. We hung up the phone and I was like, that is interesting. I call the forty two brothers. And I said, I think the UFC is in trouble right now and I think we can buy it and I think we should within two months.

We own the UFC for two million dollars.

And are you allowed to say what it's worth now?

Well we sold it and two thousand sixteen for four billion.

Jesus Christ, that's crazy. And you stayed in. Yeah.

So the month that we were talking about selling the company, the brothers came to me and they were like, listen, you know, this is really good for all of us, but you're going to have to stay. Nobody wants to buy this thing unless you stay. And so I. I was happy to stay and I'm glad I did. And these two and the four cheetahs are still into the three of you are all in, they just bought it.

So they're running it and doing all like, what's the difference now in what you're doing than what you were doing before?

The only difference is now is that I'm not doing it with them. You know, I'm still doing everything that I do and running the company the way that I want to run the company. But you're so close with them. Yeah, I love them, my brothers, till the day I die. I love them both. And they own station casinos, so all their focus is there.

Well, that's unbelievable. Do you think that you would have been successful no matter what you did?

Yeah, I truly believe that no matter what I did, I would have been successful at it. I just have the you know, there are people that were meant to work for themselves and people who aren't definitely that guy. I knew early on in life that I wasn't meant to work for other people. I was meant to work for myself.

But yeah, and I always say that. But for people listening, that doesn't mean that someone who's running, you know, a Fortune 500 company is not brilliant and that that's not an art in and of itself to work with other people and work in a hierarchy and manage that and delegate and execute. That's its own animal. But it's just different than people like us. It's just two different schools.

So true. I say it all the time. Everybody talks about hating Monday. I fucking love Monday. I hate three day weekends. I hate you know, I can't fucking wait to get back to work and I can't wait. I like to win. I like to win no matter what it is. I like to win. And you know, it's about the passion and the drive and the desire to win. When I came out, there was this douchebag from The New York Times.

Who was just hammering me guys never covered the sport before in his life. Right. But you know what he realized when he wrote a negative story about the UFC and about me? It did really well. So when that happened, he was in. So this guy was just nonstop hammering me for the fact that I was going to try to go through this pandemic. You know, the difference between me and the NBA and the NFL and the PGA and all of them is that they couldn't take the heat from the media.

They couldn't take it. They still can't take it. I, I had to listen to this asshole, you know, every week, sometimes two times a week. Weitman story now when August ends at the end of August, I'll put on twenty two events. Not a peep out of this guy. Not one word. Not you know what, maybe I was wrong. You know what. They did it. You know what, congrats on them.

Nothing just disappears. You have to have the stomach for it. You cannot listen to the critics. Right? I got it. And if you're running your own business anyway or you're running the company, you have to have thick skin. You have to be able to take criticism. You have to be able to mix it up with people and you have to be able to ignore the morons. The media.

While someone told me you can't buy into the hate or the love, though, you can't be like, oh, everybody loves me. I think I'm so great and buy into that. Nor can you buy into the hate. It doesn't fucking matter. It just it's sells newspaper and click bait. And, you know, I talk a lot about social media and how you can choose your own adventure and be anybody that you want. And it's not real.

Like you can filter yourself. I could get myself triple D and I have like I'm twenty three and I mean, there's nothing you can't do say.

No, that's, that's the other thing that was a big game changer in business for me was social media. I embraced social media and I love it. The good, the bad and the ugly. I love it all. I love the the haters. I love the people that you know, are huge fans that come in and tell you, I love all of it. I go back and forth with my fans all the time on social media, you know, good and bad.

I give it right back to them, too. I got no problem saying shut the fuck up.

It can be used for good. I mean, I've done a lot of amazing relief work with, I mean, fifty million dollars in aid literally worldwide because of social media, if it's used for good or if it's used for focus group to see what people are saying and how they're talking to each other. But it's become like a real gross place for vitriol. And it's it's not it's not a good situation. You're absolutely right.

It sounds like you work really hard and you've always actually worked hard. And I say that because a lot of not a lot of people there are people that have made some money, gotten lucky. And because of things like social media, you know, the younger generation thinks you can take a shortcut, like if you want to be an entrepreneur and you really have either a good idea or a good service or whatever it is, if you work hard, you're going to be successful.

If you work hard and you work smart because most people do not work hard, you know, isn't it just about old school hard work when you when you get down to it?

That's all about that. And, you know, it's funny when I always hear people say, you know what, I want to run my own business. I want to work for myself. So, you know, I can take time off when I want, I can go. I said, are you out of your fucking mind? If that's what you want to do, if that's what you're really looking for, work for somebody else. Because if you work for them for a while, you build up X amount of weeks vacation time, you get holidays off and all that stuff when you own your own business, forget about fucking Christmas birthdays, you know, all these other things.

You are married to this business and bad shit happens every day that you have to deal with.

I it's completely a responsibility and whatever you think it's going to cost are going to cost twice as much. And however stressed out, you think you're going to get it's going to be five times as much and you get in once you get in, it's hard to get out. It's like the Mafia. Once you get it, you got to keep going until you make you know what I mean.

It's very hard to get out. So are people afraid of you? What kind of people I mean, aren't you trained martial arts, can't you? I mean, you can you kick somebody asked easily.

Well, here's the thing with me. I'm cool with everybody. And if you want to be friends with me, I'm a really good friend. I consider myself a very, very good friend. But if you want to be enemies, I'm really good at that too.

So you get to pick what you want to be with me. Oh, well, you don't you don't you don't fuck with anybody if they don't fuck with you, it sounds like that's it. Well, I understand that. And I lived an entire life on reality television with that as my mantra. Do you care what people think about you?

I don't care at all. I have a certain group of people and obviously my family, they're the only opinions that matter to me. I everybody else I could give a shit. Did you ever care?

Yeah, I would have to say that at some point early on in your life, you know, you do and then you realize. It doesn't matter, doesn't matter what other people think, it really doesn't matter. I have three kids and, you know, people will talk to me about legacy and all this other shit. That's the only legacy I have. I mean, when it's all over and it's said and done, the only thing I care about is that my kids thought that I was a good father.

And, you know, my team here at the UFC, I was like 350 employees. And I have a pretty incredible relationship with my entire team. The people who are here are brilliant. They work hard. When you know what your strengths are, you work with your strengths and when you know what your weaknesses are, you hire really fucking smart people around you and you know people who can pick up the slack where where you're not that strong.

Well, that's great takeaway for people because I think it is important for people to know. Yes. To try new things, but to really sort of understand who you are. You can't be who you're not.

One hundred. You know what you're good at and you know what you're not good at. You have to be honest with yourself and you have to go out and find the people that can fill in for your weaknesses.

How tight is your circle? Like, how many you know, are you social? Do you what's your circle that you are social.

Yeah. I mean, I've got you know, I still hang out with the guys I hung out with when I was 18, 19 years old. So I listen, I'm not looking for any new fucking friends of this circle is closed.

I know, by the way, I'm right. Literally, my best friend is from when I was 14. We I'm not looking for any new friends either. And it sounds terrible, but your people are your people.

And that was the easy uxmal. You're very blackham. There ain't no gray in this life. That's what that would be. Literally be my motto for you. You are very black and white.

That's true.

So the biggest part of why I'm doing this podcast is so people listening at home can hear from successful people and take things away to use in their own business endeavors. So what advice or takeaway do you have for someone trying to start a business?

So I think that people who want to start their own businesses have a lot of misconceptions about, you know, what it really takes and what you really have to be to to do it. I first of all, I barely graduated high school. I didn't go to college. But where I was super lucky is I always knew what I wanted to do. And I think that's half the battle. Once you know who you are and what you want to do, it's a lot easier to get out there and become successful.

You literally just get up every day and work hard at it. Like you said, it's all about hard work. But number two is to run a business. Is it like, oh, this is so fun. And look at we're running our own business, this world. It's cutthroat. It's dirty. You know, you run into a lot of crazy shit with people and you literally have to get up every day and fight. And then even when you become super successful, people see what you did and everybody starts trying to knock off what you did.

And they're all trying to 100 percent. Ten thousand percent. And now you're fighting these guys off. It just it never ends.

You got to go harder then, because they see you come in. You were nobody. They see you coming. The stakes are higher, the money is bigger, and it's just gets more gangster.

So true. The biggest thing that stops people from going out and trying what they want to do is fear, fear of, oh, my God, I'll lose this job and and then how will I pay my bills and how will I do this and how do I do that? That's all out the window right now anyway.

There's no four one k go. Right, right. Get your fucking pull to pull the ripcord and go.

And the worst the worst thing that can happen is you fail and you go back to that job anyway. You know, you can get that a job like that. Back in a minute. The worst part is not trying. The worst part is sitting on the sidelines and saying, you know, I'm too afraid to do it. Don't be afraid. Dive in head first. There's never been a better time than right now.

There are seeds being planted right now and it's all going to grow. And we don't exactly know what's growing where, you know what I mean? We don't know the answers. So, yeah, this is going to be a really interesting time that just creativity and business is going to just, you know, the boys and the men, the little girls and the women are going to be separated at this time.

So what is your title in your home?

I run a company with three hundred and fifty employees. I have six hundred and thirty six hundred thirty five something professional, ultimate fighters that all work for me and do what I say to do. Yeah, not many people listen to me at home at all. Really the ballgame. Yeah. Yeah I'm not so bad.

I said oh yeah. Who runs the show. Your wife runs the show in the house. Yeah. Yeah she does a good job of schedules and where they go, what they got to do and, and all that stuff. But, but my kids, my boys are 17 and 18 and when they're actually they're 18 and 19 now they just had to they're 18 and 19. And when you when you have two young men at home, you know, they start puffing their chest and challenge, you know.

They don't want to listen too much anymore, so I don't really I don't really lean on them as much as I used to when they were younger and now my daughter's 14. So we're going into a whole nother world with her that I'm going to have to learn about.

Oh, yes, you are. Real quick. And yeah, she's too old for Tic-Tac or she's right in the tick tock world she's talking.

Yeah. She tried to get me to she tried to get me to talk with her and and she's like all these other dads do what I said. Yeah, well that's Daddy dancing with you on friggin social media.

But I think it'd be I mean, listen, everyone loves to see, like, a big burly guy dancer sitting at a Tea Party. So but I mean, you know, it seems like you're doing a right without the fucking talk.

And if you ever if you ever see me dance and call me a cab, I'm drunk as hell. That'd me, I, I don't dance, I.

All right.

Well, I know we're running out of time and I so appreciate your time. And the last thing I wanted to talk to you about is whether throughout your journey to where you are now, if you have any mottos that you live by, like mine has come from a place of yes, doesn't mean be in a good mood, doesn't mean be positive all the time. It means figure it out, get it done, do what other people won't do.

So what's your sort of mantra like your place of Yes mantra.

Yeah, mine is. Don't tell me. No I don't like to hear. No, I don't like to hear that something isn't possible. Everything is possible. You just have to figure out how to make it happen.

Well this was awesome. Like really interesting and really good stuff for people to just midi good takeaway for them. I really appreciate you taking the time.

No, it's my pleasure. You're dead on with everything you say. You and I are are very aligned and very much alike.

Absolutely. It's funny that you your mantras you don't take now. And my mantra is a place of yes. So we are aligned. That was intense. I like someone who's opinionated, I like someone who doesn't give a shit what people think. I had never heard of Dana White and Dana White had never heard of me before. I had this podcast. And now I'm talking to someone who took a company that you bought for two million dollars.

And and I think it was two decades, sold it for four billion dollars.

So that's a person who didn't graduate from college, who just loved what he did, was passionate about it, saw a voice for something that he loved so much that he believed everyone else would love. And the truth of the matter is, I remember thinking, how is it will carry Marguerita like how no one ever thought of. A skinny margarita before, and it's at the highest calorie drink in the world, I love it. I want to be drinking a margarita seven days a week.

And why wouldn't everybody else want to do it if they would feel guilty about it? And it was just something I just said. I'm going all the way with this. Everyone said it wasn't going to happen. People said I was crazy. It was a man's business, a man's world. And I just went kept going. And it's exactly what he did. So we don't even know which we didn't even know who each other were. But we're having these parallel life paths, these two years older than I am.

And I find it fascinating. Thank you so much for listening. Please make sure to rate and review what you think and please subscribe. I'm so excited to be talking to you. So that's a wrap, folks.

Just is hosted and executive produced by me, Bethenny Frankel, The Real Productions and Endeavor Content. Our executive producer is Samantha Allison and our producer is Caroline Hamilton. Cary Venture is our consulting producer with the ever faithful. Sarah Act as our assistant producer. A development executive is a Nayantara boy. Jospeh is a production of endeavor content and spoke media. This episode was mixed by Sam Baer. And to catch more moments from the show, follow us on Instagram and just be with Ben.