Hey, everyone, welcome to another exciting and riveting episode of Just Be. There is a very pressing, important issue that I need to communicate to you about, and it's about paper straws, paper straws, paper straws. Sometimes you'll be at a coffee place or Starbucks and you'll just open that straw. And it's a plastic straw. And it's like you've sort of gotten the the golden ticket. You are in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and you're like, holy shit, I hope no one sees I fucking got the plastic straw.

Like, maybe what it's like when you get one random sprinkle in, like a plain vanilla ice cream. Just something happened. There was a plastic straw. I just got like that, like, I don't know, made it onto a conveyor belt into the store. And I've just got one of the last surviving plastic straws. Thing is, we do have to pick our spots. And I do when I get when I take food in and I have those plastic containers, I always reuse them.

That's where my daughter's crayons live. That's where I have little gadgets or buttons. I organize everything in there. Maybe those little clips are at your desk. If you just they're just messing up. So I'm a big person of trying to recycle what I can. So I was thinking, though, so I use my plastic credit card to pay for the drink at Starbucks and I haven't gotten it yet, but I'm sure that I will get plastic surgery at some point.

There are plastic containers in my kitchen cabinet. There are plastic materials in my car that I drive to go to Starbucks. I bought some Halloween decorations and there's plastic on them. Some commercial say plastic makes it possible based on the fact that I've just explained to you just a small portion of my day. I mean, I'm looking at keys on my daughter's computer. I actually think that might be made of plastic. So I just want to fucking know I have a water bottle here that's going to make me be green because I'm not going to use plastic water bottles.

But the truth of the matter is the top of it that holds in the bottom that insulated bottle, it's plastic. It came with a metal straw, which I applaud and I do by my own straws. And I will, if I think of it, put my own straws into. My daughter's lunchbox and bring it with me into my purse, I'm in my daughter's room is like a light up, amazing modern bunny and it looks like it's made of plastic.

So we are drawing the line at straws at Starbucks. And the truth of the matter is, I think. I would use a paper credit card if I could and I would, you know, use paper to wrap my make up brushes, but I really just I don't like the straw. I don't like it in my mouth. I don't like it feels soggy. It's like this fucking limp dick that's just like started off hard when I started drinking to drink and to Sipson.

And I can't even. The thing is, I can't even drink the rest of the drink. Like, it's not like I don't want to be green or anything. I can't finish the drink that I've purchased in a plastic cup, by the way, that has a paper straw in it. I can't finish the fucking drink because the paper is now folded over and I often take the time to like rip off the tops and then get some, like, fresh blood.

So like underneath that that part, has it been so wilted. But I just want to know, like, if we're going to do this thing, we got to go all the way because I just don't feel like we're making a big enough difference if we're just going to just just draw the line at the plastic straw. I want to know the difference that the paper straws have made. I want to know, like, I just want to know the impact of the paper straw switch, how big that has been.

Has it sort of is it going to be like in the time, you know, top 100 greatest moments of twenty twenty the paper straws, which I just want to understand. So I'm asking you guys to point me in the direction of some data or statistics because I haven't seen any yet. Let me know on my Instagram or at just be with Bethenny. And what else can we do from plastic to paper.

Today is my conversation with Hillary Clinton. The magnitude is not lost on me. She has accomplished so much since the very beginning of our life. She has really just never, ever stopped fighting and persevering and moving forward. So this is a pretty exciting conversation for me very early on in this podcast. I think it really provides the essence of what this show is about, which is to humanize someone that you may not know that well at all.

Hi. Hello, Bethany, how are you? I'm so excited and just humbled and taking it in. And thank you so much. I honestly, your time is so valuable. And I wanted to tell you what the podcast is. And you agreed blindly without asking for a question. Oh, dear. Yes, but are you having fun? Are you having fun doing this? I yes. I could not love it more. I find it liberating.

What do you how do you feel about it doing it. I feel great.

You know, I never would have thought that I would be here in my attic of my house. And, you know, with my new podcast, you and me both talking to fabulous people about everything under the sun. And I am maybe it's because we're all at home and and, you know, we're kind of looking for substitutes for what we can't do, like go out and see people and have meals together and all of that.

But I love it. I know it's so freeing. And I see that you're in casual clothes to I usually am at home and I wear pajamas and then I shower prior because I feel like it's respectful to the shower and put a little perfume on. But I just so your listeners know you've got a Snoopy T-shirt on, which is adorable. Well, my my team was wondering if anyone's ever interviewed you in a Snoopy T-shirt, and they all suspected probably not.

I think this is a first and it's Snoopy. Looks like he's going to, you know, be an astronaut or something as I can. I'm trying to make it out here.

Yes. Well, my this is Corey and he's gay. And he says this looks like a gay Snoopy that. So I think he might be a gay Snoopy. And here he is. So it looks like there was like a gay flag behind Snoopy. Exactly. I like that.

So this is just me with Bethany. And the filter here is game changers, mavericks, fearlessness starting from the bottom. Now we're here and I want to know how you agreed to do this. We are two weeks into doing this and we get an email that we all stopped and we started screaming, am I sitting down? I said, why? And your email was red. And and what made you decide to do this? Well, you know, now that I'm doing my own podcast, I've been listening to podcasts and I find them fascinating because they run the gamut.

And I listen to a couple of your podcasts, and I just really loved your free wheeling, kind of open ended conversations with people that were like Mark Cuban, for example, you know, were, you know, a really intriguing. And so I thought, wow, I'd love to talk with Bethenny because I'd love to have the experience of being interviewed by her as I am kind of putting together my own podcasting expertise, so to speak.

Fabulous. All right. Well, that's thrilling. And you know that I think you'll I mean, we've done well, but I think that you're doing this will put me on the map. And so do you realize the currency you have just being you, the actual power and currency, just your influence to just decide to do something and it could change somebody else's entire life?

You know, I don't think about it like that. I do feel a sense of obligation in a way, because there are a lot of people who follow me or, you know, look up to me or in this case, listen to my podcast. I want to be a positive force, you know what I mean? I want to be somebody who can help people. And especially now we're going through this common trauma of this terrible pandemic and then the, you know, racial reckoning and economic catastrophe that so many people are suffering.

There's a lot of pain out there.

And so I'm trying in my own way to, you know, lift people up and give them some idea of what they could do that would make their lives better despite all the challenges.

Do you feel that? That you're becoming even more and more authentic as you dig deeper into who you are and seeing it play out in front of everyone, for example, you know, I watched the documentary and. It gave me such a greater sense of who you actually are, but who people think we are and who we actually are. You know, sometimes so vastly different. And so I thought to myself, if aliens landed on Earth and the first person they met was you, and they said, who are you and what do you do?

What would you say?

Well, I would say that, you know, I'm somebody who has always felt like I had a mission or a purpose to make the most out of my own life and also to give back. I've been really lucky in lots of ways with the, you know, family I was born into and the opportunities that I've been given. And I've worked really hard. And so I feel like I'm kind of on this earth to try to make things better for people who don't have those advantages that I've been given.

And, you know, the word authentic, which gets thrown around a lot. I mean, I feel like I've been exactly the same person my entire life, but I'm really well aware of how, you know, public perceptions and then being in public life and being in political life, how sometimes that is not an opening, but a a barrier to people really seeing you are getting to know you.

And so I accept that, you know, it's there's so many things I want to say about that, because in thinking about your life and career and having to be sort of like that video game, Frogger bobbing and weaving in and out of traffic, in many ways, it's don't hate the player, hate the game because you wanted to get into the White House to be able to affect more change. And you were so ahead of everybody else protesting and thinking about things that most women weren't even thinking about then.

But you have to somehow navigate that because you have to find a way. You can't just jump in like I'm here. Do it my way. Well, that's exactly right.

I mean, part of the the challenge is, especially when you're a woman is understanding enough about who you are and what you're trying to achieve, but also recognizing that, you know, there's still this gigantic double standard. It's just out there. And, you know, we are still judged on a different set of criteria than men in public life or men in business or men in academia. You just name it men anywhere. There is still a different set of expectations.

And so I've been first in a lot of areas, so I've had to kind of go it, you know, go into the the traffic and try to figure out how I was going to maneuver it and get through it. And, you know, people are sitting there saying, well, I don't think she's doing that right. Or, you know, I don't like her hair.

I don't know, I don't like this or that because it's new and it's unusual and everybody has to kind of figure out what it means.

So, yeah, I know that there's a you know, there's a still a big burden on a lot of women in the public arena that we have to just keep pushing forward with.

Well, we have in common that were polarizing people, and in watching your documentary, it seems like you don't live in the love and you don't live in the Haight. You don't you know, you don't bask in the love, but you do. You don't self deprecating the hate. Exactly.

I think that's a great way to put it. I mean, because, you know, just like you, you have people who just adore you and follow you and, you know, model themselves after you. And then you've got people who gripe and complain and critique you. And, you know, just like most things, you can't get pushed to the extremes. You can't believe all the adulation and the best about yourself. And you certainly should not buy in to all the negativity and the hate and all the rest that goes with the critics.

So you have to chart your own course. And, you know, at the end of the day, that's all you can do.

You can just be who you are, for better or for worse, you know, good times and bad. You just be who you are. And the people who get you will get you and they'll know that you like them are an imperfect human being. You know, you you don't walk on water. You do the best you can to get through the day to, you know, be fair and good to people around you and all the rest. But at the at the end of it, you've got to be you know, you've got to be happy and satisfied with yourself.

Yes. And right now I feel that it's more confining and more constricting than ever because you can't you don't know what you can and can't say and you're not allowed to make a mistake. And part of the reason I want to do this podcast right now this way is because I have to be able to say what my opinion is and if there's a forum and people disagree with it, OK, let's have a conversation. But people aren't having conversations.

Yeah, I think that that is, you know, really an unfortunate development is that, you know, look, there are some people who they're not interested in conversation.

They're just interested in dominating what you're supposed to believe and what you're supposed to say from all kinds of directions. It's not just coming from one side. It's coming from, you know, 360 degrees. And so there are people who are trying to just, I think, stifle conversation if you don't agree with them. And I think that's terrible. I think it's divisive. I think it doesn't lead to good decision making. I mean, you know. Yeah, look, there are some people who believe things that I find abhorrent.

I'm not interested having a conversation with them. I don't think you are either.

But there's a whole lot of other people who, you know, they have differences of opinion based on their own experiences. And you should be able to have a conversation. But, yeah, we're going through a period of time where everybody's really on edge. And I think a lot of it has to do, you know, with the pandemic, with the terrible killings of George Floyd and others, there's a lot of tension and, you know, anxiety and anguish in the world.

The economic crisis has devastated people. There's just there's so much tension that people are are afraid to have a conversation because they're not sure they can take much more. Does it make sense?

One hundred percent. And it's it's I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this any more. People are also stuck in their homes. So it's an idle mind is the devil's playground. And people are just angry and they want to have this conversation. Not a conversation, though. It's I'm right. You're wrong. Now, what sort? You're a sum game. And I find that to be a problem. And sometimes I watch social media and I'm thinking, it's OK if you disagree with me, I disagree with you, but let's.

Yeah, yeah. So that we agree on that. I really I like it. I like you pointed out, you know, the the problem with a zero sum game and I agree with you completely right now, there's too much of a zero sum game going on. And it's that, you know, I can only win if you lose. No, wait a minute. You know what? I think there's a way that, you know, maybe we wouldn't get everything we want, but we'd sure make some good changes together if we would actually listen to each other.

That is now considered unacceptable. It's my way or no way. And I just you can't run a society, especially a democracy. If you're not listening to people and trying to find common ground, you may reject it after the effort and say, no, you know, that's not going to work. I don't I don't believe that or I can't go along with that.

But the effort is really important.

You want to understand why someone feels that way, even if you don't agree with you want to understand where that thought process comes, saying you're a jerk. I disagree with you by. Yeah, OK.

Yeah, yeah. And walk away. I'm not talking to you anymore. Exactly. That's exactly.

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You said before that you felt that you had a mission and did you feel that inside of you like, wow, this is something I have this special thing and I'm not sure what it is, but I'm going to take this thing all the way. Did you feel that? You know, I did, Bethany.

And I think I've thought a lot about, you know, why I chose some of the paths I took. And I really go back to my mother, you know, who was a major influence in my life. And she had a really, really bad childhood. She was basically neglected and abandoned and pretty much out on her own. And by the time she was 13, she was working in somebody else's home. She was being a babysitter and a housekeeper.

And as I learned about that, I didn't know it when I was a little kid.

But as I became a teenager, I just felt really drawn to trying to figure out how I could help kids. That was my main driver, particularly neglected and abused kids, poor kids, sick kids. And I really believe it was in large measure because I would imagine, you know, my mother's life. Now, if she she had some moments and I asked her this once, I said, how did you get through that? Because it was so grim.

And she said along the way, somebody would be kind to me. So, for example, when she was in first grade, she never had any she never brought any food to school. She had to wear the same clothes every day, etc. And her first grade teacher noticed because they used in those days I was a long time ago and like the 1920s, you know, they would eat at their desk in their classroom. And she noticed that my mother never brought any food.

And so a few days went by and the teacher came in and said to my mother, you know, Dorothy, I. I just brought too much food today. I can't I can't eat at all. Would you like it?

And it was never embarrassing or humiliating. It was totally out of kindness or, you know, fast forward to when my mother was working in somebody else's home and she she couldn't go to high school because she had to work and she couldn't her grandparents had thrown her out. And so the mother of the house said, you know, Dorothy, if you would like to go to high school, if you get up early and you finish your work, you should go to high school.

And, you know, I think about a 13 year old being put in that position. It breaks my heart. But for my mother, it was kindness. So my mother would get up early and she would run to school and she would run back and she would do other chores. And, you know, you think about just the small things you're talking about people who are at home, just the small things that make a huge difference in somebody's life.

So like 50 years later, my mother is telling me about her first grade teacher and the woman whose house she worked in because those two people showed kindness to her. So I think, you know, that was really what motivated me to go to work for the Children's Defense Fund and work on, you know, kids issues in the early part of my career.

I think about your journey and the sort of bobbing and weaving of you. And can I bel I mean, which I call them Bill. OK, yeah, sure. Sounds like such a regular name now and I say it out loud like Joe Bill.

OK, so you and Bill are sort of, you know, switching positions and you know, you are the supporting character. And then he was a supporting character in the film. And I wonder, do you think you would have gone as far as you have without him? And do you think that he would have gone all the way without you? Or do you think it was a sum is greater than its parts thing?

I think it was the sum is greater than the parts. I mean, you know, when when I met him, I had no idea back in law school, you know, that he would end up being president. But he was charismatic and he was really smart and he was funny. And, you know, we just really hit it off. And so our you know, our time together, we were married 45 years as of, you know, October, the eleventh of our time together has been really mutually supportive.

And you're right, at some point, you know, I did more to support him. At other points, he did more to support me, but not just in the public way, you know, in the in, you know, the really personal way when, you know, a parent dies or there's some other tragedy in your life, you know, to have somebody by your side who kind of knows the whole history and can be there supporting you and vice versa.

Yeah, I mean, that's amazing. And then we had you know, I know you have a daughter. We had a daughter. And it's been a great gift parenting with them. And now grandparents with him is just the best. So, you know, you look back on a long life. They're ups, there's downs, but it's it's all part of the the life that I chose and I made. And I'm really grateful for it.

So that's what I kind of want to talk about, because we come from your mom had a challenging background. I had a sort of non-traditional, challenging background, and I've never firsthand seen a successful relation. So sometimes I think about it that if I had that foundation, if if my relationships would be different, I mean, business comes very easy to me. Relationships are just the one thing I would love to be able to accomplish. But I think about your age.

So you're from a different generation. You have such a sort of modern approach to so many things, but a traditional provincial attitude towards marriage that is admirable. And my viewpoint, which is I met in your marriage, is that you can't you can't crystallize 45 years of marriage in events that are publicized that sound pretty crappy. Don't get it twisted. But. Right. How has that process worked your whole married life and from being a child until now, where you're staying in it and you know you're staying in it and you've made that commitment and that's just the way it's going to be.

You know, look, I've had a somewhat public marriage, as you as you alluded, and obviously everybody knows that. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. I mean, there's just so much more in a relationship and and certainly in our marriage that I have benefited from, I'm grateful for. And then I had to make a really hard decision, like many, many millions of women in our country, around the world, throughout history. And it was not easy.

And, you know, lots of kibitzers on all sides, you know, telling me what I should or shouldn't do. I had to dig down deep and really feel like, wait a minute, what is right for me, for my family, for the kind of life that I want to keep living and the person I want to keep becoming. So, you know, I made the decision to stay in the marriage and to focus on it and to be, you know, really as as committed as I could be, because on balance, it was what made made me feel was right.

And I don't pretend that my decision is the right decision for everybody.

But I think if you go through a really intentional self-examination. So it's not knee jerk. It's not. Yes, no. Or I give in or I give up or whatever.

If you really think it through, you come to the decision. That's right. For you.

It might not be right for your sister or your best friend or your neighbor down the block, but you make that decision and then you go forward with it.

And that's, you know, that's how I see it. Well, in watching your husband talk about you and get teary eyed, you could see how much he truly, truly loves you, like to the core, you can just actually see the in the body language and its space. And so when I meet people who've been married for such a long time, I find it to be such an incredible accomplishment. It's much easier in business and in friendships, in marriage and, you know, to to walk.

And I think that you've been criticized for staying, but I don't think you've been honored quite enough for fortitude. I mean, that's very hard to do that, much less with anyone just to feel. Yeah. To go through that and to feel embarrassed and to just have to, you know, and I'm glad that you did having seen the documentary. I just feel like it's something to aspire to. People have so many things that happen in forty five years.

I mean, that's my almost my entire lifetime shit's going to going to say I know.

Wish for your entire life. I'm no spring chicken. I am. It's going to happen so, so that, that I applaud and how you nurture a relationship with all that work. I have problems in my relationships with you know, I've got to do this and you've got to go there. And this is important and that's important. And I haven't had a career like you and much less where your partner has a career like you. So how the hell?

That's what the nitty gritty of it, the day to day, I mean, you've had some big firework moments, right? We've all watched, but I'm talking about not Valentine's Day and not Infidelity Day. I'm talking about the three hundred and twenty five other days are the year that, you know, aren't holidays. How does that how do you do that? What's the takeaway?

You know, I think that's such the right question.

And it's particularly important in these days because, you know, before the pandemic, everybody was going off in a million different directions. And there are so many demands on everybody's life. But somebody, you know, is busy as as you you know, it gets compounded.

So you got to find things that you really make time for.

And, you know, before the pandemic, when we were living a much more normal life, we, you know, made time to go out to dinner. We made time to go to the movies. We made time to go to the theater. We made time to visit friends and of course, spending time with, you know, our daughter and our grandkids now during this pandemic. It's it's fascinating, Bethany, because we make time to go for long walks.

I mean, I I'm a huge believer in getting out into nature and and breathing. I mean, it's like my mental health exercise of the day. We make time to spend time with our kids and our family. We make time to play games, card games, do puzzles, word games.

I mean, it sounds kind of hokey, but you got to create almost a I think of a weaving together of, you know, all of your individual interests. You know, he watches sports as much as any human being. I know he watches anything. And he was depressed when in the beginning of the pandemic, there were no sports. He was watching, you know, cornhole contests and pickleball to anything. Right. That God that, you know, sports came back so we can watch football and baseball and basketball.

So he watches a lot of sports, which is his which is his deal. You know, I talk to my friends. I read a lot. We watch, you know, common TV programs that we find, you know, entertaining and the like.

But you have to make a real point of it because it is so easy to sort of just kind of drift away because, you know, working on relationships, you know, it's hard. It it takes a lot of patience and practice. And I have no other advice. And that other than, you know, it's like anything else, if you value it, you do it and you practice at it and you try to get better at it.

So you're saying it's a quality, not quantity, quality, not quantity. And it's making moments that are very present, making memories. And yes, that yeah, that that makes scheduling them, you know, making, you know, making them a priority.

And of course, in the pandemic it is quality and quantity because I mean, we're we're together 24/7 now.

We're not going anywhere. We have, you know, not not many places that we can get out of our house.

So we've spent a lot of time together.

And you're are you with your daughter, too? So you're all together. Are you having more well together. So you never thought you this time is the best. I mean, no, I never thought I'd get to spend this kind of time with my grandchildren. I have a six year old granddaughter. I have a four and a one year old grandson. So three little kids. And I never would have thought I mean, it's the only silver lining in this otherwise really stressful, difficult time for all of us.

But it's a big silver lining because, you know, all summer, I mean, literally, they would come and wake us up and jump on our bed and, you know, come on, Grandma. Come on, pop, pop, come outside. We want to play or, you know, it was just the best. I mean, those memories are priceless, embedded forever.

What a great what a great silver lining. And I do think, though, that the way that I see it is that people are still right now and some people are you know, obviously people are impoverished and have no job and are unwell. And that's that's a major bucket. But I think there are many people that have never jumped out of fear business wise. And now the snow globe is totally shaken up. I don't think there's going to be a big flourishing of small businesses as a result of this because people have to fly.

Oh, I hope so. I hope you know one thing well, because you are a businesswoman and you've been really innovative and entrepreneurial, you know, maybe through your podcast you could not only have business people on, but you have people who can help your listeners think about what they could do business.

I mean, because I agree with you, this should be a time of ferment and innovation.

If we're smart about it, it's a time to plant seeds and they will grow. There will be a gold rush. Exactly. So that's what I do think, because I tell people don't get manic and it's so hard to not have anxiety, try to focus on your self care and sleep because now's the time to be planning everybody else. And as you're planting your seeds, you're planning and charting your course. That's how I feel about it. I do.

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In what ways has being a woman had advantages, because we talk a lot about what women don't get and, you know, not equal pay asides aside from Judge Judy, because she once said, thank God I didn't ask for equal pay, which I love. Yes, that was smart. Right.

So in what way has being a woman had its advantages, like where, you know, things have happened for you that wouldn't have happened if you were a man?

Well, you know, I think of the advantages more in sort of like a holistic way. I really do believe that being empathetic, being able to put yourself in somebody else's position comes more naturally to women. I mean, I think that certainly from my experience, I have a much broader aperture.

My you know, my brain is sort of open wider to sort of pick up how people are feeling and hurting and maybe what we can try to do to help. And I and I like that.

I mean, you know, when you think about what's happened around the world with the pandemic, it's pretty clear now that the countries with the best outcomes were run by women.

Think about that in New Zealand, Taiwan, Germany, you know, Finland, Denmark. And why was that? I mean, in part because I think many of them were moms, like, you know, like you and me. Many of them, you know, we're more open to feeling the fear and anxiety that people had and being more inclusive and listening.

The combination of of reasons really led to measurable results.

So I think that's why I've always been a good office holder, you know, that's why I've always done a really good job when I was in an office. It's a little harder sometimes running for office and asking people to vote for you. And, you know, that's when sometimes the you know, the problems are the double standard about being a woman woman come into play. But once you're in office, I really feel like as a public official, I kind of got a broader understanding.

Like, for example, you know, I was senator on 9/11. I was I was there at ground zero the day after with, you know, the governor, the mayor, my fellow senator and I immediately was choking on the air and I immediately started thinking, people are going to get sick from this. I picked it up immediately because I was thinking, you know, what, if I were living down here or what if I'd been working down here?

So I started working on trying to understand what had happened to people's health. I don't know.

It's just because as women, we you know, we we carry a lot of the responsibilities that families are having to fulfill. And I felt like I was helping my huge family after such a terrible, tragic disaster.

Makes perfect sense. I do have to go soon. So I'm just going to get in, like, two more questions because I want to let you go. One is, do you feel that you went gangster enough with Trump? Like, do you feel that you were being like and that last and you didn't go like you didn't go and go and gangster and that you maybe should have gone again? You know?

You know, I've thought about that a lot. I mean, really, I wrote a book after the election called What Happened? And I wrote a chapter about women in politics. And I wrote about, you know, how how do you deal with somebody who is, you know, that aggressive, you know, that domineering and all the rest of it?

You know, in retrospect, I think I would have I could have tried a few different things. I think still, you got to be careful as a woman on the you know, the big stage, you can't be too you know, they get to be aggressive. But if we're aggressive, we pay a price for it as well. So I think I could have tried a few other tactics, maybe I'm not sure they would have worked, but, you know, might have been worth trying.

What do you think of my idea that there should be a penalty box at debates? So if you don't follow the rules, you get a time out for a minute and the other person just gets to talk in the camera and the microphone are not on you. I love that. I got to do something right to to make these debates. Yeah. These debates work again because we saw with Trump, I mean, you know, just interrupting talking over his time.

Yeah. Something has to happen. We should put you in charge of that.

That's about it. Yeah. But you're at a time out now. Now you face the corner so. Yeah. Yep. What is your signature cocktail.

Oh well I've gone through several during the course of my life. I'm kind of on margaritas right now. Oh OK.

I'll have to send you some margaritas. OK, that's because we've been eating so much takeout Mexican food. I probably need to stop that, but it's been delicious.

So let me ask you just one last question, which is your mantra. Mine is, you know, keep going and be grateful. I mean, that's kind of how I mean, when you're knocked down, which everybody is, you got to find a way to get back up. Maybe you just get to your knees first and then you grab on something, you pull yourself up, keep going and then be grateful. You know, every day I really believe that gratitude is a discipline.

And if you practice it, it has really good effects on you. So that's what I try to do.

Well, you have walked the walk, you have talked the talk. You have been on a journey. And I have to say that you make me proud to be a woman and I'm proud of you and everything you've done. It's unbelievable. Thanks.

It's great talking to you. The very best to you.

Thank you so much, Laurie. Wow. You know, people are just people I mean, Hillary Clinton is a person, she's a human being. And I think I got a sense of her. The truth is, that's what this podcast is designed to do.

You don't understand who this person is.

You don't understand how they think about relationships and their career and their struggle.

And that's what it is. And I wasn't here to just, you know, talk to her about the same shit that everyone else talk to her about. I just want it to feel like a normal conversation that you were just sitting in on.

And I hope that I did it justice because there was so much to talk about.

And I'm glad she wore just like a flannel sweatshirt, a fleece, because I was wearing a Snoopy shirt and that would have felt stupid if I was all decked out and if she was in a suit. So I'm really thrilled and thank you all for listening. This is quite exciting.

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