Hi. Today, we are talking about plastic surgery. This is a hot and controversial topic. Are people lying or are they telling the truth? Has she had it? Has she not? How much work has she done?

Going back to this picture that I posted a couple of weeks ago that was, you know, this is me. This is me and glasses. This is me. Just, you know, when I wake up and it was liberating and people were showing their hair frizzy and crazy, and it was I felt really good about it. And a lot of people were saying, what about all the plastic surgery? And of course, you know, you've had all the stuff done and you've had a nose job.

I have not had a nose job. I have had. Plastic surgery on my breasts twice, once was when I was in my, I think, early 30s and still dating and single and I had large but sort of. Saggy boobs, and I didn't want to have a scar, so I inserted implants because they told me that it would be like having a lift. In fact, it was just larger, saggy boobies. So I was really uncomfortable with that.

And then shortly thereafter, I had the implants taken out and just had a lift. So I'm counting. That is like one. I'm counting that as one breast adjustment. Composed of two surgeries, so those are the two surgeries that I have had and I and the truth is, when I get upset about people with all the filtering and all the fake lives and and pretending everything's perfect and then they can't wear their waste, etc.. I just feel that that's not truthful and it makes people feel bad about themselves, like someone like a Jane Fonda or when we knew that Demi Moore got the work, not that she said it, or even when Sonia, for my show, got a facelift, like we're happy for her.

She said it. She said it. We don't if you look good in your fucking 55 or 60 and you look young, it's not because you ate placenta's or because you drank water or used pontes, you know, skin care or Romona for, you know, she's going to she's like death becomes or she can be 95. She can be in the goddamn box saying, yeah, it's just Ramona's skin care. It's like the jig is up. So I'm just thinking people should be more honest because that's really empowering me to powering to other women.

I was talking to someone recently who's very well known and attractive and similar to similar age to me. And they said to me, if you haven't thought about doing anything, I haven't talked about doing anything, you're behind. You are late. I thought, what? Because I said to them, who's going to tell me? Like, is someone going to come up to me and knock on my door? Like, I just want to mention you need to, like, work on your neck because it's going to be a problem or your eyes are.

Saloma, I don't know, and everybody's had something different. Like people, all the housewives have had that string thing. They put, I guess, a series of strings under your face and then like a marionette, it's was to pull it up. And then Dr. Sobel says that that's bullshit. A lot of the housewives have had many lifts, which means they've done individual like ala carte menu tweaks, like someone has an eye thing or neck thing or whatever, but just know that everyone's doing it.

And so that's going to feel sucky if you don't have a lot of money. And like, it's an unfit that's an unfair thing that people that are wealthier can do that. And that's why I think there's a lot of that anger on social media and white people coming out to me saying, yeah, what about all this, all this plastic surgery? But I think if I was honest about it, it was like I listen, I've worked hard and I wanted to do this because of this, you know, and maybe people will save up.

And I guess in non cosmopolitan New York, overpriced cities, their payment plans and lesser expensive options. But I just sort of want to talk about it because I feel like it's a taboo thing. And I went to see a doctor the other day because my friend told me that I should and it was an education. I actually went with Derinda, who Derinda shops the shit all the time. She hasn't done anything, by the way. She hasn't because she just is not a person that jumps like she needs to do things really slowly.

She doesn't break up with someone instantly needs to take her five years on the opposite. I make a decision, I go. So when this person said to me, if you're turning 50, you haven't even thought about this. You don't understand this, then you're behind the eight ball. And I said, Oh, my God. So I went to meet this doctor with Derinda just to like you. I just wanted someone to say to me, like, you have bad, you know, eyeballs.

You your ears are too short. I just wanted to like, know objectively. He said to me that there's a little area like which is true because of my grinding or something. There's a little area and that's like a little concave. Am I am I next to my chin, like below my my cheeks and next to my chin. And it made sense because you said your skin, the elasticity of younger person, that your skin is like more and that when we get older it starts to just slowly, like, droop down.

So that's why some women get those like extra skin by their their jawline and chin. It's like a sagen is it's literally just gravity. I know we all knew this, but it was just nice to hear him explain it to me. But he said, I have hollow eyes that may just be that I'm fucked or there may be something to do about it. But then Derinda was the opposite of hollow eyes, like she's got extra and I've got like like like a between the brow bone and the actual eyelid, which I have good lids, by the way, that there's like an area in there, which is why.

And they said it can look really dark, which is interesting because when I, if I put on, if any, make a person ever puts dark in the crease, which is what people usually do, it looks bad on me. And I did not realize why. And the most important thing he said is. You want to not come from behind in this thing, like you don't want to be hit 55 or 60 and have to do so much more because then it's such a drastic change.

You know how people look like you've taken one of those president masks and just pulled and stretched it over their face. And he showed pictures of like 50 year old women, even a forty nine year old woman that had done little things. And it's made a difference. So then when you're older, you don't have to do you do like a little more. You never have that drastic thing. So anyway, I'm thinking about doing it. And more importantly, I'm going to be honest about it.

You know, I'm going to wear a t shirt. I'm going to get plastic surgery. And on the back, it's going to say I just got plastic surgery because who gives a fuck am I pretending to be twenty four? I am what I am. So if I post a picture with no makeup, I might say, hey, this is me with two parentheses that say with a little bit of tweak. So that's my rant today about plastic surgery.

What do you guys think? Is it OK to lie? Is there an age that's too young to have work done? And do you get annoyed if people are pretending that that's really them and they've had plastic surgery? So you're sitting here buying creams thinking you're going to look that youthful when it's a bag of bullshit and these people have had work done and pretending it's products?

I guess you know what I think? I think that's absolute bullshit.

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Hi. Hi, Bethany. Well, we know each other fairly well, but I have never really noticed until right now how sexy your voices.

I sound a little Kathleen Turner in the mid afternoon.

Yeah, my yeah. Well, it's like a hundred degrees here and there's a lot of smoke and allergies in the air. So I think my voice is being affected. Yeah.

Well it's very thank you for noticing that I noticed.

So I really not until today when I was like, oh, it's game day. Did I really think about all that you've done and how incredible of a contribution you've made to the world and in particular to the entertainment industry. That's funny.

You were saying that because I was upstairs thinking about my career, you know, because you want to be on top of your game when you talk to Bethenny. And I realize like. I don't ever think of any of that, I never think of what I've done. I'm always moving forward. I don't believe in Halabja, you know. It's really, really, really hard for me to stop and celebrate anything, but like, for example, this weekend, you know, Sarah Paulson and I have had.

This really big satisfying hit with our new show, Ratchet, so I said, you know what, I'm going to force myself. To celebrate this and to take a moment with Sarah, we both got tested for covid and Holly Taylor got tested and my husband got sick and we had everybody get tested. We had a very small, intimate dinner party where we just talked about being in the moment. How do you feel and what does it feel like to have done something that feels great?

So that was a new experience for me.

Well, that's just stuff to lean into that more. I do get that because you're still just you living in your own body. And, you know, later, I want to get into with you why you do what you do, what really actually drives you. And because I understand that people always ask stupid questions like what's next or what's the big goal in your life? And some people just like to just go to the next step. It's just sort of what they do there on the path and they're just putting one foot in front of the other.

So I guess now maybe now get to that now ahead of myself. Why do you do whatever you do? Whatever you doing now? Whatever you doing yesterday or tomorrow? Why? I have a really personal answer to that question, which is that and I don't really talk about it a lot because it's very emotional for me. So I hope I don't have a moment with you, but maybe I will.

But, you know, when I was growing up, when I came of age sexually, it was nineteen eighty one and it was right when AIDS began. So I went through as a gay man, the entire AIDS crisis in the 80s and into the 90s from eighty one until ninety six when the cocktail came about. And every day of my life I thought, OK, well this is it, I'm not going to make it. I you know, a very young age was attending many, many funerals.

A lot of this I put into this television show I did called Glee. That's a running thing in that show. So I always felt that I was on borrowed time. Like I just felt that there was an expiration stamp on my ass. And I've been to many shrinks to talk about it. And it's almost like I I'm still I have that fear that it's all going to be taken away the next day. So it's very ingrained with my work ethic where I'm like I get an opportunity to create you know, I had many, many, many years of no's until I got a yes.

And once I got that, yes, I just kept going back for the yes. And if they're going to keep saying yes, I'm going to keep doing it. So I felt kind of haunted and driven in my ambitions. And I had so many friends who were more talented than me, who were smarter than me, who died and did not get an opportunity, so I kind of do it in tribute, I guess, to to sort of you know, I do tell a lot of gay stories, but my dream was always to tell them and make them fit into a mainstream box, not a niche box.

And I think that I've successfully been able to do that. My jam now is like, OK, I'm in a certain age where the thing that I'm the most interested in doing is helping, you know, people who were young, who were in their late 20s and 30s, who think they don't have a way into the system, just like I had no way into the system, like it was hard for me. So all of that is kind of in the water.

That's a long answer to your question. I feel like that's true about my life.

Well, I'm sure that's relatable to different people in different circumstances. And it's funny because my daughter and I, during the pandemic, that's when we started watching Glee. I had never watched it. And it's the only musical show that I've ever I don't always like musicals. I don't love people expressing themselves through song. This show, if anybody is listening, I like to watch it over again. It's just so groundbreaking in every way, in every category, musically, sexually, you know, just anybody who ever gets bullied in high school or just who goes to high school just I can't believe what a contribution and accomplishment that is.

But most of what you do, I mean, it has some sort of socially conscious aspect to it is that what do you are you driven like everybody? I'm driven by money in some ways and by being, as, you know, relief work in some ways. So what percentage are you driven by doing something that's socially conscious, or is it just something that's just what you know? Or is it also can this be successful and be world wide?

Because I also want to make money. I mean, no shame in anyone's game. I just actually want to know, like, how your process is and how you decide which projects to do because you now can do anything you want. That was a big loaded question.

But if you could answer any of it, I honestly feel that the driving thing about in my life. Is a little bit of a I'll show you thing, I guess, but it's the goal of my life. The goal of my career has always been to put something out into the world that I was desperate to get as a young person but could not find. So when I was growing up, I knew I was gay from the moment I walked.

And I never saw gay people ever. The only person I ever saw. Who I guess was like me was Paul Land on the Hollywood Squares maybe, and I was very close to my grandmother and once in a while we'd be watching like McMillan and Wife with Rock Hudson. And she would say, well, you know, he's he's a big old poof. And I would say, what really? Like what do you mean? She would she would call that from, I guess, the National Enquirer or something, which she loved.

But my goal was like, OK, when I got some power, even when I first started, my goal was to take the marginalized people who were the sidekicks and the butt of the jokes. And make them the leads, that's always what I tried to do, and that also goes for women over 40. It's not just about gay people, it's the people who have expiration are told to reach a certain age and you're done. That's always been my drive in with every project.

That's what I've sought to do, was take the marginalized and make them the heroes of their own stories so that even for my very first thing that I sold, which is a show called Popular, they canceled it after two years because I would have massive fights with them where they would say things where you can't have a gay character unless they get cancer and you can't have a cheerleader character wear a fur coat because that's too gay. Wow.

And I would go to meetings with this executive who is no longer with us, who would imitate my voice and make fun of me and basically call me a big ol fag in the script meetings. And I was young and I just had to take it. And I just something locked into me that just was like, OK, I want other people to not feel this way. And the other thing that I've always known, and you talk about Glee, you know, I had some great executives on that show, but for the most part, that was a Fox show.

That was a Rupert Murdoch network. It was conservative, as you could get. There were a couple of champions, but everybody kept saying, nobody's going to watch this. And I kept saying they will watch it because they're so starved for somebody or something. That looks like them, that shares their interests, if you look at that network, it was all like procedurals and cop shows and supernatural X Files shows them like, no, if you do a show about young people who are interested in things that I was interested in, I think there's an audience for that.

And I believe in that this idea of the more specific you make something, the more universal it can become. And that's always been the thing that has driven me and.

You know, and tried to change the system in the way that I could. What I find is interesting if I compare you to think about any TV producer I can think about from back in the day, from David Milch or from J.J. Abrams or any person that I can just off the top of my head, think of people stick within their own lane. And I don't know that I could think of another television producer or movie producer or any producer that really runs the gamut of genres.

I mean, crime, sci fi, horror, Hollywood glamour, musical, high school teen, you know what I mean? You really a murder like that's what's amazing, that you have the courage to go into a totally new thing, because usually people also pigeonhole you into, oh, we want you for that. But that's not what you really do. Well, I was very aware of that from the very beginning, know, like I I was aware that I was going to be seen as sort of a gay creator or a gay artist and as somebody who only was interested in writing for gay people.

That was apparent from the very beginning of my career. Right. So I just like to challenge myself. And I think if you're always in the same lane, things get a little dingy and you kind of got to shake it up. Exactly.

Did you think when you were a kid or when you were growing up or even in your 20s and 30s, did you think you had what it took to be successful? Like some people walk around and feel like they have that special thing may not happen and they don't know until the end of the race. But did you feel that you had that special thing?

You know, I did feel that I had that special thing. And I'll tell you why, because I was very close with my grandmother and she kind of raised me because I had a working mother and a working father. And my grandmother kind of realized my sexual orientation early before anyone else did. And while my father and other people in my family were trying to push me away from that, she was in private moments bringing me back to that, saying, you know, here's a coloring book, here's a Barbie.

Let's go see a Barbra Streisand movie. Let's go see a Dracula movie. Let's because you're very interested in big emotional, theatrical things. And when I was around 11 o'clock, we were driving home from, like, the steak and shake or something. And she said, you know, I know that you feel bad, that you're not like your brother or your cousins, but, you know, that's because you're special and you have to remember that you were made special.

So that landed with me. So I then became 12, 13. You know, I would never say I'm special out loud, but I sort of just realized, well, it's OK to not be like other people. So I would I remember so distinctly like everybody else was wearing, like Izod Center and the Preppy Handbook stuff. And I went out and I bought banana yellow platform boots from a vintage store so that I could look like David Bowie.

So I leaned into that because a woman said, it's OK to be that that's going to be the hardest thing for you. But everything great in your life will spring from that. And we you and I came from a generation where your parents didn't say, I love you so much and they didn't shower children with praise philosophies. But I had that. And the other thing I also had in spades was I just always had a natural anger. I always was someone who was very upset with injustice and very upset about things like that.

So that kind of fueled me, too. And when you make those two things meet when you're an adult. There was that, you know, when I started working in Hollywood, I was in a writers group of seven people and they like I said, they were all really talented and special and I'm the only one who stayed with it. And that's because I was the only one who who wasn't devastated when I got to know. Right. And I would always say to everybody, and I say this young people, it only takes one.

Yes. To change your life and you have to lean into the moment the yes is coming. The Yes is on its way. And I've always believed that even moments of really dark despair and I guess that's a form of narcissism that's kind of kept me buoyed in the bombing season. But I believe in that.

I think it's fuel. I think you and I are so similar. And I didn't realize until today that we're both Scorpios. I'm on November 4th, and that's not a surprise to me. I don't know if everybody believes in astrology. I don't even know if I do. But Scorpios are very intense people.

And the scary thing about me that I will share with you is I'm a Triple Scorpio, which is really intense.

Yeah, that's intense. And you must be amazing in bed. That's very sexual. So I am. I am. I believe you. I really do believe you. That's in the fortune teller.

Whoever the people are who read it, read my signs. She gasps and she said, Oh my God. And I said, What's wrong? And she goes, You're a Triple Scorpio. And I said, Oh, what does that mean? And she said, You have the capacity for great good or great evil.

And that is always stayed with me and I and I can feel myself bouncing between the two, you know. How do you take. No, that's very interesting because, you know, it's in my contract that no. Is not an option. Right. So I have created a world where, you know, I I can kind of create what I want to create, you know, within budgetary restraints. I can greenlight many of my own things, if not all of them.

And that was really exciting for like two weeks. And then I was like, well, what the hell like do I want to go through the life with nobody saying you shouldn't do that. And I'll tell you why next.

And so I decided I'm not going to I'm not I'm not going to be that guy because you've seen many careers implode. And I have surrounded myself with people who tell me the hard truths and we have dialogues. And that was important to me. And the other thing I wanted to do was surround myself with a lot of younger people because I feel like in success, I call myself now the leftover generation. Like there you can feel the young people coming up and you can feel the people who are retired and you're in the middle of two groups and how do you survive?

And the thing in business that a lot of people don't survive is because they don't listen to young people and get an infusion of youth. And so I have. Built a company where everybody freely argues with me now, sometimes that will be intimidating. And there are things where I'm like, no, I, I have a gut instinct about this. And my gut instinct is usually pretty. Right. But if it comes back repeatedly, if more than two people say the same thing, I'm like, OK, well, let's talk about it and shake it down.

And I was surprised that I did that because I thought my whole life what I fought for was greenlight power. And then when I got it, I was kind of not interested. And I haven't even used it once at Netflix, for example, almost going on three years because I don't want to make something that the the the company doesn't believe in, because if you push it through the system and they don't believe in it, guess what? They're not going to market it for you.

They're not going to publicize it for you. They're not going to put their heart and soul into it. And that's what you need for products to click. The reason Ratchet became a worldwide phenomenon was because every person who worked on it from the marketing to the publicity to the colorist was like, I like this, I love this, I want to watch this. And I've done a couple of things where I was like, What do you think? And they're like, well, you know, it was fun.

And then those are always the things that don't work. And I have many things in development, but I will only make something if I feel there is a collective. Yes. Exclamation point. And what you want is people to be excited about your product as you are. And if they're not, move on to the next thing because there's always something else coming down the pike that maybe everybody will be excited about. So that's what I do with my business.

It's a great thing to say because I will be in the middle of being emphatic about something I'm saying and say I disagree with myself because somebody else will say something else that, you know, I say, forget it. I actually am going the opposite direction. It happens all the time. I do like to ask different people because sometimes you're in the weeds and you can't see it. And you know what the takeaway here for me is? Know what you know and know what you don't know.

Sometimes it's like a recipe. You put a couple ingredients from a bunch of different things in it and then you're like, OK, this is this is the answer. And then it really does come to you. So that's a great way to create. That's a great way to create. Yeah.

So you're married and I want to know, how does someone deal with you, how does someone relate, relate with you? It must be challenging. I wrote a book called I Suck at Relationships. You don't have to. It's hard to be great at business and relationship. So how do you navigate that?

It was hard for me. I didn't settle down and get married until I was in my late forties. I got married and had my first kid when I was forty six.

So, you know, I kissed a lot of frogs and the thing that I would struggle with was I would always be dating people who were also interested in being in the spotlight. So and I had many relations break up, like I would sell a script and then they would be mad at me because it amplified what they were getting in their life that they wanted to keep going back back to the well. And I'm like, OK, well, I don't want to date somebody in the business.

I don't want to date somebody who does what I do. And and I felt that I kept doing that. And finally I went through a really bad a bad stretch. You know, I went from a really bad dude to a confused by sexual and mean. I'm very ambitious. So I'm like, well, I can tell you. Yeah, you know, I can do this. And of course you can.

So I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I just I love my friends. I love my life. I love my career. I'm just going to be by myself. I don't care anymore. I don't want to navigate somebody else's problem with me, like and I could never figure it out. And even in high school, I had trouble with it, you know, because I do think in the world, particularly now, when the social media age, every time your success is broadcast, somebody feels small from it.

And you have to realize that it's not about you. It's not it's about them. It's not about you. And that's a very hard lesson. So finally, I was friends with the guy for ten years that I loved named David Miller. And he knew me, like I said, in the worst moments of my life. He was a friend for a really long time before I was successful. And I went to him and I said, hey, I'm not going to date anymore.

I'm done dating. And you're kind of done dating, too. So why don't we just have a kid together and be friends and, like, raise a family? Because we both want a family, but we don't want romance. And he was like, are you fucking kidding?

I don't want that. No.

And he left the table and was outraged that I would even suggest that it was like, well, OK, well, because he liked you, obviously. That's why.

Well, we always kind of flirted around, but we never wanted to go there. And ten years later, I was doing the Glee tour at Radio City and he was dating some twink and he called me up and he said, my twenty two year old love interest is interested in a ticket to the Glee show. Can you get me one for him? I was like, oh, my God, of course. Here we go.

So here we go. So he showed up with the kid and I was backstage, you know, being I just finished. Yeah. You know, when I was wearing a gel sonder black leather jacket that I could fit into because I had just returned from India with Julia Roberts. So I had lost all this weight and I was chain smoking and something.

So I looked particularly Seno chic in Hollywood.

I was I was flushed with something, you know, success it. And then he saw me and I saw him and I was like, wow. And then he said, I think we should go out on a date. Yes. And I was like, OK, so we did.

And then we went out on the date and then we were married a year later. And then we had Logan six months later. And the thing that works in our relationship is I call it like a highway, is we're both headed to the same destination, but we're in our lane. And when we want to sort of merge into each other's lane, you know, we do.

But but he's he's very good with me. He also is interesting because he demands that our family life, our home life, all the decisions are equal. So, you know, we've gone through therapy about it.

And I've had to realize that you're not the boss in that mess. Yeah.

Which is also a very good exercise to have as a human being, because if you're just like, yes, yes, yes, yes, you calcifying, it's over. Right. Your partner. Yeah. You and I. So it's good for me. And we have children. We raise them together and we don't always agree.

But you work at this time and you work and you work at it.

We work at it. And it it's the first relationship I ever had where I felt somebody was supportive of me and not jealous. And that makes a difference. And that was hard.

The thing about it is the people that I have on here and particular you are so outrageously busy and so powerful and important and as I said, exceptional and an hour for you, I know is a lifetime. And I feel like we've been talking for ten minutes. I mean, I, I can't tell you how much I love it, how appreciative I really am. And just to tell everyone that I was being. Honored at a creative coalition, which is an important like a charity in Hollywood, but that I was my publicist said to me, see, if somebody wants Desirably, you'd want to introduce you.

Now, everybody is so busy in Hollywood. It was Emmys weekend and I just threw a Hail Mary pass and said, Ryan Murphy, I mean, I never imagined that you would say yes. And then you take the time out of your day and come to this long luncheon and introduce me. And it was just it was so it made me feel like I was had arrived and was somebody. But it made me so grateful because you took the time and just said, yes.

So thank you for just now. You're welcome for then and for being you and for your contribution to entertainment and to young people who struggle and in every arena. And I think you should take a moment to think about how amazing you are and the contribution, because I took a lot of moments to think about that. About you. Well, thank you.

I have a role in my company. I tell my assistant anything about Bethenny is always a yes. Oh, yes. And I'll tell you why. Because, you know, when I was starting and I was working and, you know, you and I kind of started around the same time to get some success, but I was always so inspired by you and how I always felt like we were literally in the same track, like we were starting. We were told no, and then we'd get a little success and then become a thing and it would grow.

And I always I just always thought you handled it with so much grace and humor and you were inspirational and you say things that make me.

I think and I think that you're important in the world that I've always loved who you are and what you represent.

So is my first cry on the podcast. Thank you so much.

I let you know you meant something to me in a way that I don't think I've ever expressed to you when I would watch you and I would see your struggle, even something like when you were going through your divorce or your business struggles, or people would tell you no. And, you know, I remember there was an episode where you were in a grocery store and you were trying to peddle your awareness and you weren't getting a lot of action and it was upsetting to you.

And I felt the exact same way that day when I watched you and then you brushed yourself off. And I like, you know, what I can to so I thank you for all of the secret moments of inspiration that you've given me that you don't even know. Oh, my God.

Likewise. Thank you so much, Ryan. Well, I mean, this Ryan Murphy interview was I just said today it's going to be unbelievable, it's going to be one of the best ones we do.

I had a feeling I've read about him and I had so many natural curiosities about his journey and he just. He just was amazing and so warm and so, so vulnerable and revealing, and you can understand now why his shows have been what they've been and why they've been so successful, because you can just now understand that he really is in all of them, which is such a beautiful thing.

And it's a beautiful thing for people.

We're building a brand because you need your breath, your blood, your soul, your body has to be in whatever it is you're doing. And he could not be a better there could not be a better example of that than Ryan.

But then, I mean, it's the first time I got teary about what he said about me. I do not have any idea that Ryan Murphy was thinking about my trajectory. You know, we're all just fighting for our lives, trying to trying to get somewhere and be somebody. And I'm loving it. I just can't say enough. Please write, review and subscribe, although it helps me and it keeps us doing this.

GSP is hosted and executive produced by me, Bethenny Frankel, Bedrail Productions and Endeavor Content. Our managing producer is Samantha Allison and our producer is Caroline Hamilton. Corey Venture is our consulting producer with the ever faithful, Sarah Cattanach as our assistant producer. Our development executive is Nayantara Voice. Just Be is a production of Endeavor Content and spoke media. This episode was mixed by Sam Baer. And to catch more moments from the show, follow us on Instagram at Just Be with Ben.