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I'm Kelli O'Hara, and my guest today is my teammate, good friend and ally and good friend is Alex. I have to start that over. Dang it. I wanted to tell you that I wanted to add you were my friend and teammate, OK?
Welcome, everybody, to the very first episode of the Just Women Sports podcast, where we talk to the biggest athletes in the world about the untold stories behind their success. I'm Kelly O'Hara and my guest today is Alex Market.
Alex is someone who doesn't need an introduction, one of the most dominant and recognizable soccer players in the world. She's a two time World Cup champion and Olympic gold medalist. And off the pitch, Alex is an actress, best selling author, a FIFA cover athlete, as well as a new mom on top of it all. She's one of my best friends. Alex, welcome to the show. Thanks. This is like the most professional at home podcast ever.
Listen, we want to we want to make it as professional as possible. That's the goal here. Do I get to keep this microphone? I think that's a silly question.
Actually, I wasn't going to tell you ahead of time that you probably are going to have to send it back because I didn't get a return label. So sorry. You get it after. That's how we get you to do the show. How are you doing? You're in Florida. How is motherhood?
It's great. I'm just at Charlie's disposal and whenever she wants to eat or cry or sleep, I swear it's like she's sleeping and I need to wake her up to eat. And then she's awake and I'm like, go to sleep.
She looks very happy. And all the pictures you send me. Yeah. I only take pictures of her when she looks happy.
I delete the ones I just crying and immediately now I just share the ones that she is happy. Many times she's sleeping or crying. Yes.
So what were your initial thoughts when you found out you were pregnant?
I was really surprised, but I was so excited because, you know, we were looking forward to starting a family sometime soon and we were just surprised that it happened as quickly as it did. But we're definitely lucky that this little girl chose us. And and then it was kind of an interesting time because I feel like I was navigating my injury with my knee. I was dealing with like us coming back from the World Cup and like adjusting into our teams and the league.
And so I found out like maybe mid August and it was like, what do I do? Because I don't want to you know, you never want to say anything too soon because of fear for not being able to keep the baby. So I was trying to navigate that. It was like a little weird, but I had my knee injury and I was like, well, it's kind of like a good excuse to, like, go home now to L.A., where we were living at the time and like, deal with my knee and then be able to take my time and like, announced on my own terms.
I remember we were at a camp because I got injured. Beginning of August with my uncle and we we were texting, we weren't in the same place for texting and I was like, oh, I'm not drinking until I'm back on the field, like, I need to get this ankle right. And so and then we were back in camp and I was like, hey, do you want to go get a drink? And you're like, I thought you were drinking.
I'm not drinking either until I get better because you hadn't told anybody about being pregnant. I was just like, oh, OK. I guess you completely fooled me. And then when I saw you, I was like, what, October? And you told me I was like, oh, now I see what you did. Yeah, I so you told me that you're like, oh, I just want to focus on, like, my recovery and like my injury and I'm not like going to drink or anything.
And I was like, that's a good I should say that sounds like Kelly's not in, so I need to get my knee right too. So I'm not. So I went to like the VMAs with Ashton Ali and I was like, no, like I you know, I made this pact with Kelly, like, we're just not going to drink until our injuries, until we're healed. And they're like, OK, like didn't think anything of it.
And I was like, dodge that bullet. And so what is your biggest surprise, being a new mother?
Hmm? My biggest surprise. Hmmm, I feel like like Charlie's pretty easy, you know, for the most part, no's between, like day and night and like she feeds pretty well. Like I was really concerned about breast feeding. I didn't really see, like, a lactation consultant. And I had heard it's like really difficult. She, like, lost really well. I'm very lucky she's healthy. I obviously like I get concerned over the littlest things, you know, what's this rash?
Or like, why is she making this sound or like why isn't she, like eating as well as she did yesterday or things like that or like why or poop brown and it was yellow earlier. It's like I've got so many questions and so many questions. Yeah. Seriously. But I, I think overall it's been like it's been pretty great.
Well, you're crushing motherhood. So excited for you. It's awesome to see you in this new role. But let's go back to the beginning of your soccer career when you were just a wee little thing. When did you get into soccer, which you actually weren't a wee little thing when you got into soccer, which is what I find interesting about your story. Well, I played soccer starting like five or six years old, but I played like for my city, just rec soccer, AYSO, my dogs barking in the background, all sorts of noises coming from this house, lots of activity.
Oh, yeah. And so I didn't get into, like, a youth club until like thirteen or fourteen years old, which is late. Yeah. During this time like I mean I thought it was like a little late but I didn't think it was like whatever like that crazy. But my first team I was kind of a practice player and obviously I was super raw, just like fast athletic. I had a terrible touch. So the coach was kind of like I mean, this girl has like athleticism, but she's like, terrible on the ball.
I mean, I was but I eventually found my place on cyberbully, which I played with them from 14 to 18 years old until like I tore my ACL senior high school, got back and was able to start like as a freshman in college at Cal. So it was yeah, it was like a different path, I think, than most soccer players take. Yeah. So you played club and then you got recruited to play at Cal so. Well, first of all, how did that recruiting process go?
Junior college? I got recruited by like a lot of colleges I recruited by like UCLA, USC, which were like the two I think like top dogs. Stanford was like big, but they got really big, I would say, like probably your freshman year, right? Yeah, we had a transition period when I got there.
Yeah. So I went on a recruiting trip. I went to Santa Clara, Cal and Stanford the same weekend and Santa Clara, Visby.
Oh yeah. For sure.
I know. I mean, my dad, he was like, here's our agenda or this I can picture like doing that.
Oh, he was so excited he was pumped. So I went clear. I was like, like really small. Like my high school is like as big as this. Then I went to Stanford and I was like, I don't know, like I don't really feel like I fit in, like I have good grades, but like I have to get out on my own. That's I don't know.
We'll see, you know, and I just didn't feel like it was for me, really. And then I went to Cal and I was like, wow. Like, everyone's so free spirited. There's like you just felt it. It was just eclectic and like just it was so different than what I was used to growing up in Southern California that I was just like, oh, yeah, this is a good thing. You ended up at Cal because you met the love of your life, which is very important.
I do. Yeah.
You might not have if you didn't end up there. OK, but there's a big jump between starting club soccer when you're thirteen, fourteen and then ending up on the you seventeen youth team and then going on and playing at a big pack. Well it was packed ten back then school. At what point did you realize you had it like the it factor and I could go far with this.
Yeah. I don't know. I mean so yeah I started with seriously when I was fourteen I started getting like extra training from my coaches, like immediately like my dad would take me to training and like early or we'd stay late or I don't. Extra day training was like forty five minutes away and it was just like normal. I would do my homework on the way and I feel like I really progressed pretty quickly. Like I once I kind of started training with this team like a few days a week and games each weekend, but it was way higher level than ever.
So I was just like started to get the hang of it a little bit more and like get a better touch and like just be a little better, like in front of goal, have better awareness. And so I started doing personal training. I started, I think ODP I started playing with them like six months into my time with cyberbully, which is Olympic development program. I don't even know if they still have it. I don't think it's like Dieser or SNL, there's a there's a lot of different acronyms out there.
So, like you was the Olympic Development Program for people who are listening. That was the path to get to the full senior team because the ODP team, then regional review team, and then from that you would get called up to youth national youth camps.
So I started with the state, which was Cal s, because California is huge. So they like split the state into two and then like regional. And I just loved it. I played every weekend train three days a week, extra training maybe twice. And I feel like I just got like better and better, like, so quick. So I feel like when then I feel like I had the it factor. I don't know, I, I think like honestly when I was coming back from my ACL and I was like a freshman in college and I was starting just coming back from my ACL, I felt like just really good.
I felt like I already belonged. And even though I had missed out on the last like five months of games and my senior soccer season and everything, that's where I kind of felt like, OK, I like have the IT factor to, like, get there. And that's when I got called into twenty's and after that the whole team and we had our first camp together.
I know it's so crazy to think back on. It's interesting talking to you because I obviously knew that you started playing club soccer later, but hearing how you progressed so quickly from. Joining clubs soccer to then making ODP, to then getting called in to youth national team camp and you saying yourself like I just progressed really quickly and hearing you say that it's like this all makes sense, because for me, seeing you on the net, like full national team, that's how I feel like I would describe you as a player.
Like you just pick up things really quickly. You develop really quickly, like you learn something. You're like, oh, I need to tweak this. I need to get better here. And you just are able to execute it so much faster and efficiently than most people I've seen. And I feel like that's kind of like your I've never thought about this before, but I feel like it's kind of a secret source of yours. You're like you just excel quickly through levels.
And I've been able to watch that personally. And I feel like another example of this, like I said, is, is you with the national team. And so you have play for Cal. I don't think you guys ever beat us. Sorry to say.
I don't think we did. Just so everybody knows, one zero.
You want a couple of things later on in life? It's fine.
But and then, like you said, you you get called into your twenties, you go and you play on that team and you win a youth or youth world championship with you. Twenty. And that was like, what, your play your sophomore year college, sophomore year of college. Wow.
Well, it's because it was supposed to be my junior year and then I got snip snip.
So I was not I was almost like, oh my gosh, I should ask you about that.
But maybe later. That's another story for another time. But so you win world championship. I'm your team. You go into your junior year, your first call up is during your junior year of college to the full team calls you in and your first call up was at camp during December or was it in the spring of twenty ten? It was December two, so we were and that was like, yea, yea, that was your first too. And I remember like you went into camp and you knew all these players and I didn't know anyone and I didn't know you and I didn't like I was like, oh my God, I feel so out of place.
Like it was such a weird feeling because I mean I guess I was on, you know, you twenty's and stuff like that. But I don't know, like I didn't know any I was so intimidated by you. You were the youngest player there at that point because we it was basically you were the youngest and then the next youngest was like me, Tobin, Cheney, those players. And yeah. But you're like, yeah. You knew a bunch of those players from the twenty six like you twenty team and I like kind of got onto the you twenty team and twenty eight like kind of late and yeah I went in there and I just remember walking into the Belmar and Manhattan Beach and I was like oh my God, what am I getting myself into.
I saw Abby come with Puffy and their bulldog and I was like, Oh should I say hi?
Like I don't know. And I think I was rooming with hail.
Yeah, she was like the best first roommate because she's awesome. You're very lucky that you got her shout out to you or Heather O'Reilly for people who don't know her as hell. So total nerves. So you just felt like a fish out of water when you got there? Oh, yeah, for sure.
And then in training, I was like ten steps behind everyone. And while the jump from because at that point none of us had played professional soccer, we had just played or not not all of us, but the kids that were coming from college. I went from playing in the national championship game against college players to playing against thirty year olds. Thirty plus year olds. Yeah, and just totally different.
Also like I feel like I, I don't know, growing up I didn't like follow the women's national team like super closely. Like you really had to like do your research, you know, it's not like they were on TV playing all the time. So I feel like I didn't do my research. I was busy like doing my own thing on the field, you know. So I come into camp and I'm like, I literally don't know anyone's name.
I don't know like their face that well. I remember there was like a poster of, like old players. And I was like, oh, looks like do a game like, who's this player? And I was like, I don't know. She's like, that's Michelle Akers. I was like, oh shit.
Like, I'll remember that. She's like, who's that? I'm like, I don't know. She's like that Shannon McMillan.
And I'm like, Who's that? I had no idea about anyone.
So do you think that you were just like a gung ho soccer fan in terms of the game? Not necessarily like the national team, that sort of thing, because like you said, you just became obsessed with getting better and like pushing yourself and that sort of thing. But you weren't necessarily thinking, oh, I want to play on the national team. Yeah, I wanted to play on the national team for sure. But I guess I was just like I wasn't going the extra mile to like I remember following the team in two thousand eight during the Olympics.
I remember, like, waking up because it was in China, it was in China. And I was I woke up like at two a.m. whatever for them to watch the games because it was just so the time change. So I remember then, but that was kind of like when I really started watching was really when I thought, like, I could play on this team before that, I was kind of like I was just into college, like.
Do really like there wasn't in terms of coverage, there just wasn't a lot of coverage like I remember going on, I think I went on like the US soccer dotcom site to like, look who was on the team because, yeah, it's not like there's Instagram. There wasn't social media. The coverage of women's sports was so lacking. And I mean, still is, which is why we're doing this podcast. But I feel like there's so much more now.
But looking back then, like it makes sense why you wouldn't even you didn't even know some of these huge names that are like legends in the sport because you just don't exist.
No. Yeah, I don't even know when like Wikipedia started, but exactly. We had to go on US soccer dotcom to, like, look at like someone's bio and like how many caps they had and like look at their like picture and stuff like that.
Other than that, I mean, yeah, you've walked in the Olympics, which is when I watch, I would wake up at two a.m. and watch the games in twenty eight. But other than that like and also my mom bought season tickets to the L.A. Soul. I don't know if you felt differently like growing up or.
No, I mean I, I one wasn't as crazy about soccer. I like found that passion later in life. And in terms of any type of coverage of the team, it was it was only during World Cup and Olympic year. And if you wanted to know anything about the team, I think they had like a blog on your soccer dotcom and it would like talk about what happened during camp or like who they played and stuff. Oh, yeah.
It was like the parents of the players probably like, oh, how did how did you. Oh so great. Yeah. So, so crazy. But OK, so you get called up your fish out of water, you don't even know some of the players. You end up getting your first cap and your first cap was in the snow in Utah. Was your first cap also that you know mine was oh years. San Diego I remember. Do we play both those games, the same camp?
Yes. So, yeah, I remember that game because I think we were both warming up. Did you go in like second half? I think I went in right as the second half started or something like, OK, so yeah, I was like, go warm up, you know, and like no one tells you to stop warming up.
So like I warmed up for forty five minutes. The whole game in San Diego, the whole second half, the entire thing happened like I had a bunch of my family there and like I saw you go in and I was like, I'm going to go into like this will be my game too. And for anyone who's listening, that doesn't know what a cap is in international soccer and I guess club soccer to an appearance, we call it a cap and you accumulate a number of caps of your career and you get a cap, you get an appearance if you even step on the field during a game.
So when I started playing soccer, like with the national team, I didn't know when a cap was either.
Yeah, me either. The things you learn as you go on, how do you ever play in the snow before? Before I think that I had played in like flurries, but nothing like I mean, there was full on. It was the field was covered in snow.
There was, you know, that the game should have never been played. They really shovel the snow off of inside the box. But other than that, it was like a foot of snow. Right. So like and I just got a foot of snow, but it was like it was significant inches. Yes. Correct me, play with the yellow was more than I had ever seen in my life combined for my entire life. This is all being from Southern California.
Yeah. So I just remember going in at halftime. I had no idea what I was doing. It was like the worst first cap ever. But all I know is Abby said, when we score, we're going to do Snow Angels. So she scored and I did a snow angel. And after the game, my feet were numb, my hands are numb. And Cheryl Bailey, our team coordinator, came up to me, was like, oh, you're so funny playing.
I mean, you're laughing at how you were playing. You were playing like a normal game, but like there was no you can't dribble in snow like you're so funny. And I was like, oh my God.
I was like, oh my God, I humiliated myself. I'm never going to be back like called back in like. And then it was fine because back then, like your first cap was like third average. Anyways, everyone was so sure that was I was very different from San Diego. True. Yeah. Funny story about caps. My 100th cap was in San Diego. Actually all my family went and afterwards we had like one hundred party for me.
I remember good friends. Yeah. Did you see the decorations. There was one hundred hats around the house. I probably noticed that. Yeah it was, it was a great time. Yeah. It was really fun. So you get cold in 2010 and I remember sitting down with and her being like I'm going to put you on contract and because you're my plans for potentially making the 2011 World Cup. And I remember thinking about like oh my God, I have an opportunity to make the World Cup team like this crazy.
I was like got and started playing your progression through even just that year was crazy because I feel like like I was like, oh, Alex just cemented herself on this team was when we. Italy, I wasn't there, so I didn't make qualifying. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, I did the roster.
I was a loser back then.
I roomed with Itzin or Atena DiMartino. Sorry, not didn't qualify. Yes. In Italy, a member like Pia, I think she dropped a few people. You were one of the. I didn't realize. No, no, no. I didn't even go to Mexico. So. So people who don't know. So the way it works is before a major tournament, World Cup or Olympics, you have to go through a qualifying tournament. And ours was in the fall of 2010 for the 2011 World Cup and it was held in Mexico.
And the way it works for the World Cup is the top two teams. So we play a tournament and then the two teams that make the final automatic bid into the World Cup and then the two teams that are in the semis are not semis. The third place game. If you win, you make it right. You get we get three bids for a region in the world now.
But back then, in 2010, it was like that third team. So we we got third place. We had to do a playoff against the order that also had like that playoff position, which was Italy. Yeah. So the different regions around the world, each one has a different number of slots that they can have teams go to the World Cup. And so we we I wasn't there. But national team goes to Mexico, loses in the semis.
So you guys are in the third place game when craziest game.
I mean, it was played in a baseball field and like we were literally having trash, like, thrown at us. And that's when Abby split her head open. Right. Split open.
And then on the side of the field, she was like, just pull me up.
And I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I would never do that.
And she just literally went back on the field two minutes later. Unfortunately, we lost.
It was like the first time we had lost Mexico and I don't know, ever, ever. So, yeah, we had to go to Italy, do a home run away against in Italy for a little outside of Venice. I don't know where it was, but it was like I think on our side of Venice. And then our home game was in Chicago, which, aside from the snow game, was the coldest game I had ever not played in ever sat on the bench.
And it was like the Winburn. Holy crap.
But you played in the game in Italy, played and and we're tied zero zero. Right. Teams tied zero zero. You come on and you score with how many. Like a couple of minutes. I think it was like but there was five minutes of extra time and I scored like ninety three fifty or something like that.
That was another game. I warmed up like forty minutes and finally like done and we're like oh I was really the marathon, the marathon warmup.
By the time I go in I know how it's done.
But you score this goal, which people don't. I mean in my mind, like I said, this is I was like, oh, Alex just cemented yourself. Like, that was huge. She took this opportunity to she just scored on in one of the biggest pressure moments, I think, that we not have ever experienced as a team. But this was like to go to the World Cup or not to go to the World Cup. And that was so important.
The fact that you came on and scored in Italy against Italy got the win for the team. We go back. We won that game one zero in Chicago and then we qualify. So we're going to the World Cup leading into World Cup. Were you just like, I just want to make the team or where you want a starting spot? Like what was your mindset going into that? Because you're young, you're like the youngest player on the team at that point.
I don't know how you felt, but I was like, of course, I was fighting for a spot. And like, if I was a starter, that would have been amazing, but like, completely unrealistic, you know, who's had her players. And that was you didn't break into the starting lineup without, like, inching towards it for like years. I feel like I remember Lauren Tinian and Megan Rapinoe. They were kind of going in and out of a starting spot.
And I remember Pino was like our winger because we were playing for four, too. She was like, I think I left. Yeah. Outside midfielder and the night before the opening game, they're like, oh, and like on TV, the commentators are like, oh, and we just got word that, like, this is a starting lineup tomorrow. And they like announced the starting lineup, which is so weird to think back to. Like, how do they have why did they have that?
And then Lauren Cheney was like outside midfielder. And we're like, wait, Lauren Cheney is like a forward slash center midfielder. Why is she playing outside mid? And like, we're all sitting watching the TV with Lauren and like we're like, oh, my God, this is so weird.
Yeah, that was that was wild. Wild was crazy because, like, the lineup never change. And then it was like, oh, surprise. And you don't get to hear from it from the coach but from the commentators on TV. Yeah. That was crazy. Was notorious for having she had her starting lineup and you weren't breaking and you might get a sub but. I don't know about you, but I didn't start I want to hear about your suit, your story, too, but I didn't start a game until the 2012 Olympic qualifying tournament.
And from that moment on, when I started, I was a starter, like I didn't like, oh, here's a starting. Like, you get to start for this game, but then we'll take it away from you and then you get it like it was. No, it was like when you break in the starting lineup, like you got that spot. Yeah.
For sure. So but you did you had a huge 12 World Cup as a sub. You came off the bench and you were the first player ever to score a goal and assist in the World Cup final like. Did you get up, I don't even know that. I don't know. Yeah, well, my people did love. But you're 21 years old and you basically burst onto the scene for this team on the biggest stage possible in the biggest game of your life.
And like, how did you handle that? Were you through the door, the top liberal company, like, oh, I want to like I'm just going to be ready. I'm going to be you know, I'm going to be I'm going to make an impact when I go in. Or were you terrified? Like what?
No, I think I started terrified. But then, like, by the second game, I was like, OK, like, this is my role and like, I'm going to execute it, like, so well, I'm going to get my 30 minutes in, like the defenders are going to be worn down, like I'm going to score goals. And then the third game comes. It's on my birthday. I remember we were playing Sweden and I didn't get subbed in and it was my birthday and I just sat on the bench and I remember I like, cried after the game because I was like my birthday and I was like, I don't know, so silly, but I feel like I kind of got complacent.
Like, this is my spot. Like, I'm going to be coming in every so that kind of like put me in my place, like, OK, you have to work for every minute you get on the field, you have to work for it. So after that game, which I think we lost. So weird thinking back to that. Oh yeah. That's why we played Brazil in the quarterfinals, because we didn't go out of our group first.
But then if we went to play Brazil in the quarterfinals, we wouldn't have the epic AB header goal. And that, I feel like catapulted us into people actually talking about, oh my God, that changed things. OK, so I just want to stop talking about myself for a second because literally that game change things, I'm telling you, like I remember leading into the 2011 World Cup, I think on our sendoff game we played in 5000 people, Red Bull Arena, five thousand.
And I feel like they put that it was maybe like three. It was really not. And leading into that to like two thousand ten, like we maybe five thousand, maybe eight if we were like lucky like in our own Hartford, but otherwise, yeah, it was grim and then not game like change everything. Abbi's header changed everything. And then we came back from the World Cup after losing to Japan, completely heartbroken, like it was devastating because we were like better team.
We're like, we're going to win this thing after beating Brazil. We don't win this thing.
And then like the country was like, oh, my God, congratulations. Like you guys did so well. Like I remember I went to like the Entourage premiere and we were in New York doing like being pulled in all these directions. And I was like, we just lost. Like, everyone knows, we just lost. It was the weirdest feeling. I'm sure you felt that way, too. Yeah. I remember pulling into Times Square where we stayed.
We can't we flew back into New York and had to do media the next day and pulling it in our bus there, just being mobs of people around our bus, pulling into our hotel. We were like we lost.
It was the way it is feeling so excited. I was like crying. Still, people are celebrating. And I was like, why are you celebrating? Like, this is weird. Like, I don't know.
It was the oddest thing. Yeah, it's crazy. But also change soccer. I think like that moment.
I absolutely agree with you. Is there anything else you think contributed to that shift in our popularity or was it was it that.
Yeah, I think we had like a great storyline. I think it was like Abby's header was that game. It was also that like it was likely on a normal TV channel rather than it being like hidden in like wherever not even on TV and women's soccer was being more recognized, I think more and more as well. But yeah, I don't know exactly like why it caught on, but I think, yeah, I was definitely from like the quarter to the final you just saw like the viewership and every single game, like I think that I like Twitter was kind of like becoming big in that time was starting.
I feel like I remember I went from like five thousand followers to like two hundred and like three days. I was like, what is going on? So you are these people. Yeah.
So you knew I was like, I know I need to be careful what I say and delete everything I regret now, but I feel like it was it was definitely like those like two weeks like changed, I don't know, change our path and the future of women's soccer in the US. I absolutely agree with you because it just yeah. I think it just that catapulted us, I think, into the media landscape. People start talking about everyone got ramped up and and was so excited.
But you have an incredible tournament. I mean, obviously we don't win, but you personally do so well for yourself in the position that you were given, in the role that you were given. Like you said, you become a starter in twenty twelve. You cross the twenty twelve Olympics. Still remember your header.
We crush the twenty twelve.
We did because the 2012 Olympics we we win a gold medal. That was just it was awesome. It was. We win a gold medal and party a lot after.
We put our Stanford Calfo problems behind us and we become best friends in that moment, we were roommates throughout the tournament and through the end and in the village, and we we definitely have some good memories which will forever stay between us.
So nobody even try to break that, OK? No. One trait that bonder. It's a secret.
Yeah. Yeah. We were idiots. Let's just put it that way. I want to talk about because this kind of coincides the one back Morgan connection of just like I feel like that the two of you guys played so well together and she was such like a mentor to you and helped your game. But then I feel like you elevated hers and it was really cool to watch. Like, how big of an impact do you think Abby had on you as a player, but then also as a person of huge?
I mean, Abby was like an amazing leader. You know, she just like was the glue to the team. I think that the team was kind of a little like lost once she retired because it was like we don't have this, like, obnoxiously loud person aggressively instilling confidence into this team. And she did that like every day she instill confidence in me. She wanted to help elevate my game, elevate her game, like talk about how we can score more goals and give each other more assists and this and that.
So, yeah, she's an incredible teammate and just personal in general, just team leader, captain, everything. I feel like the two of you guys, because you guys are both up for Player of the Year in the whole world. And you guys both went to it was in Switzerland then, right? Yeah. And she won that year. But it was just so cool to see the two of you because I was like these two are like the most iconic forwards and all of football right now.
And I thought it was like a perfect cap to the year because 2012 was just an incredible year for for our team. But you guys personally and you individually and obviously us, because we cemented our friendship in Manhattan Beach and we lived together for the seasons.
We did. All right. So we win in twenty twelve. We go to twenty fifteen. We win a World Cup there that was wild. Just even all of the things that happened through the years of like you go from a starter and then you have it like you have to maintain that. How do you feel like you've been able to maintain this fire and this level for so long and to consistently be the best?
I think like what you said before, about like my secret sauce, like just being able to progress and adapt. I think, like, I've just been able to adapt. Like, that's something that whenever a coach comes in, you know, like I'm always ready to I'm always ready for any changes necessary or like a way to adapt to a game or what's asked of me. I feel like I'm pretty coachable and I just like I actually like I want to continue to improve.
I feel like if I'm like dedicating my life right now to this sport and living out my dream, like, I might as well make most of it. And I feel like in no way have I ever, like, coasted. So I think just like adaptability has helped. I totally agree. You do? Yeah, I would. I would say that is very true. All right. So we're fast forwarding to twenty nineteen World Cup. We obviously we went in twenty fifteen.
It was awesome. But I think we were kind of like not surprised by winning in twenty fifteen but we hadn't won in so long.
But it's like we win but then we're like oh but then we have twenty sixteen we lose. And I think that twenty sixteen in Rio in the Olympics losing because we had never lost out that early in a major tournament. But then we have twenty nineteen, we're like all right, we got to get this together, we got to, we got to win. And I think Germany is the only other team that's won back-to-back World Cups but just felt different going into the World Cup.
Did you feel that like did you feel like it was different than any of the times before.
Oh yeah, for sure.
I mean, I felt like having Jill coach us like over those four years and this her second go around us having how many was that. At least ten players that were on the twenty fifteen World Cup team. Just the amount of experience we had was pretty crazy and I felt like leading into the World Cup too. We just almost felt like unstoppable. Our confidence was sky high, not in a bad way. I felt like we were just like absolutely ready and just I was kind of just like kind of that kick in the ass that we like we had in the back of our minds, like for three years.
And I felt like we were like prepared on all levels, especially set pieces.
But listen. I will never discount the importance of set pieces forever, because they're just they're so important and I feel like, yeah, there are so many things that as a team that we did that I feel like people don't know or understand the amount of attention to detail that we put in to certain aspects of our game.
I feel confident in saying that like we worked the most on set pieces. Like we I feel like we worked the most out of any team in the World Cup on tactics. And as annoying as it was like in the moment to be like we're going over this again, like we already know this, like how many times are we going to do this? Like, why is she like, you know, just complaining nonstop? I feel like in my head during like during the time leading up to the World Cup, during the World Cup, we're like, hell, yeah.
This is why we did that totally. I was reading a book called Power of Habit. And I remember being like, oh, this is why they're doing it. They want us to be able to literally do this in our sleep if we had to, like, we could be moving to our positions and know exactly where everyone needs to be with our eyes closed and not conscious. But so and then on top that. Yes, on top of that, there was so much happening off the field.
You know, we have the Thailand celebration that people just ripped us for. You have Trump tweeting at Peno. You have your tee celebration. There were so many. There was other. There was like other things that are going on. What was that like for you? Like, were you focused on that or were you kind of or were you able to to shut it out? Hmm.
I don't know. You were there with me. What do you think? I think that as a team we do a really good job of like containing the bubble. And when we get into these tournaments, we're like whatever they talk about out there doesn't matter. We're here to accomplish the one goal, which is to win. And I remember multiple things happening and not knowing that they had happened. And one of my friends texting me and being like, what do you think of this?
Or I can't believe this happened. I was like, I genuinely don't know what you're talking about because I deleted Twitter five days ago. Like, I very much so needed to be very blinders on, focused.
I felt like we were favorites. And because of that, there was always a story to be told, like they wanted to spend something on us. They wanted to root for the underdog. They know. So in that way, I was just like, this is normal, you know, this is what media does. And as much as it sucks for us to have like a target on our backs, this is good for the sport and we're going to win anyways.
And then we'll be able to, like, not only talk the talk, but walk the walk. And so I felt in the moment like, it's fine because we're going to back it up. Like we're going to like I I felt so confident in us. So it wasn't it never like did your, you know, my, like, vision for what I thought that this team could accomplish. Yeah, I agree. Quick on your T celebration.
We've kind of talked about it afterwards. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't get it because she was like, you know, and that's the T. And I was like, why did you go to the game like this?
Is a celebration going to do? Or in that moment you're like, I'm doing this.
So we're getting on the bus. I had coffee and like the camera, like, you know, like the cameras, like in your face. As we were walking on the bus and I remember I was with Ali and I just like did that like walking on the bus. And I was like, hmm, I'm going to do that.
I'm going to do that if I score. And then I scored.
And I actually remember to do a celebration because I doubt I never remember to do one. So it was like the first time ever I did want to of course everyone wants to then talk about it and like, talk shit on me too.
Because of the country of England wants to kill me for it. And I was like, this is the first celebration I've done in my entire life, like let me live. But it was also so funny because it was England and it's like TI and it's just it was a perfect storm, but I thought it was great and I was stoked on your goal. So, yeah, I mean, that was definitely thought behind it. Like when I did that on the camera before the game, I was like, we're playing England and it just oh yeah.
That can be fun. It was, it was I loved it.
I kind of looked like I was smoking a blunt too. But it's fine, like most people sipping tea.
So that's perfect that, you know, that story caught on.
Imagine if it was like an OK of blood after she scores promoting THC use biathletes. So when do people call blunts anymore? I don't know, like.
I don't even know I'm so out of to out of touch with that and yes, I'm not going to comment on that. I don't think so, because I don't I don't know. I'm not educated.
I mean, I have a child now. I have different things to think about. Yeah.
So we went and we party hard afterwards. Favorite post World Cup memory or celebration. Pool party is like a blur pool party was so much fun. Yeah, on the rooftop of the hotel in New York City. Yeah. Because that night it was kind of crazy that they were like, we're going to really manage, like, who comes into the party member, like after we won. And we're like, OK, like we're like you have to put exactly who you want, like on the list, only like four people allowed for a player.
And then we get to the party and there's like so many people that nobody knows. And you're like, how did everyone and their best friend and their best friend's cousin and their cousin's daughter get into this party, like, what the heck? Don't tell people this. They're going to try to sneak in next time.
Well, they figured out probably the last time. Yeah. Yeah, it's fine. Just go. Yeah. Go to our parties are the best now. Yeah. So that was kind of a little wild and we're all hungover the next day, but we started like having fun on the plane and we did, we were we walked through security, we flew charter home.
So they asked us if we would want to go through the main area concourse where people were and we could get food and stuff or go to like a secluded one and we wouldn't be able to get food. We're like, all right, hungry. Let's go to the main one. And we go through security. We're walking next to each other and we see two girls walk. It's 11 and we see two girls walk by with beers in their hand. You look at you go, I go get a beer.
And I was like, why not why? We started? We we kept the party going. It was good is I feel like it was quite different from twenty fifteen and I don't know why, but the celebrations were very lively.
And then by the time we went to space I was like, yeah, no, I couldn't go to the after party. I was like, sorry, topped out. I pushed through for one more night. But then I didn't have a voice the next day so. But it was good times. All right. So equal pay. What would you want people to know that they probably don't know about this case? So I think that just like the amount of time that we've put into this lawsuit and just in general, the fight for equal pay has been just immense.
And I've seen some amazing things come of it from other sports within the sport, also with other countries and just women in general feeling inspired by our story and and by us standing up. I think, like as much as me and you and our legal team and our national team can continue to put out like the truth behind things and like sticks to being honest and trying to facts. Yeah. The facts and making sure that fans know, you know, where we're coming from at all times.
I think that that's all that we can do. And I think just as much as fans can continue to support us, it's been like an extremely long, long, long, long fight.
And and it's longer than we ever anticipated, expected or wanted. But I mean, they they need to know that we'll continue to fight.
Yeah. That's the one thing that keeps me inspired is that I'm like, OK, we're in this for the long haul. And that's why it's so much bigger than just us and what we're. Specifically fighting for in this specific lawsuit, just it's yeah, it has the ability to impact the entire world, which gives me hope and keeps me going. And I think it probably does for you, too. All right. Last two questions. We do these things, the repeat questions we've asked everybody.
So you've got two of them. The first one, hard work. First, look, how much of success is predicated on luck or how much of it is predicated on hard work?
Is it like a percentage?
Or you can give it to me on a percentage. You give it to me in an analogy. I don't know. Whatever you feelin.
Oh, well, I mean, I well, I'll just go percentage because I'm more of a black white person, but I would say it's like ninety four percent hard work and six percent luck. Cool.
All right man, I can't wait to put all the percentages next to each other because that's what most people have said is percentages really has been. Yeah. It's been really interesting hearing thoughts. Fhimah OK. And then the other one, you've accomplished so much already. So where do you want to go next and how do you keep pushing?
I want to go to Tokyo for the Olympics next year. Yeah, I would love to continue playing the sport and doing what I love and raising my daughter, you know, around just a bunch of badass women. And what was the second part of that?
How do you keep pushing? Like, how do you keep staying motivated?
Like, how do you I mean, I get this question a lot and I feel like it's like I don't have, like, a good answer. I feel like it's just a soccer career is like a finite length of time. And you have to, like, maximize it when you're in your peak of your career. And I feel like it's we're not going to be here forever. And my body is like not the average 30 year old. It feels a lot older.
And so I know with the limited years that I have left, I want to make the most of it beautiful.
Well, this is beautiful stuff. It you are. I love you.
I love you, too. And so proud of you, your momma.
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