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I'm Kelly O'Hara, and today we're going to be talking about season one and recapping with the founder of Jessamine Sports, Haley Roseann. Hayley, welcome to the show, Kelly. Thank you. How are you feeling? It's weird to be on the side of the mike and now, but somebody's got to do it right. Normally, this is a phase where I go. All right, guys, I'm going off video. Have fun. Exactly.

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So turn the camera off.

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But now you're on the menu today.

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All right. Should we recap season one to season one? Was pretty sick. Yeah. Let's recap season one. So what I want to ask you, you interviewed some amazing athletes, some friends, some new people. How are you feeling? Like what are your high level thoughts?

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I feel like I've really enjoyed it. It's obviously it's been a lot of work podcast. There's a lot that goes into it. There's so much that people don't see. So every episode or every recording that we've done, every athlete I've sat down and got to chat with, I've left feeling like so inspired and motivated and just happy and like I feel like a lot of people don't feel that way these days.

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Yeah.

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So it's been really fulfilling because I feel like we've been able to have some really great conversations and tell some stories that people don't know about.

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So it's been kind of what I thought would be. And then like a lot of things, I didn't. And but at the end of the day, like, every time we record and when I get to talk to these athletes, I love it. It's so fun. Yeah, that's awesome to hear that. Yeah.

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And so many people I either know or know of, obviously all of them and being able to ask them questions and kind of just try to find that common ground and pick their brain on like how they think and how they've approached their careers and life and their journey and sports and mentality.

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And just everything is so special and very unique that we get to be able to do that.

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I feel like even I mean, you know, some of these women more than I do, but like Hillary and I carry Walsh, their advisers for us.

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So, like, we work more closely with them and like but then just still, like, pulling back the curtain and hearing them, like, speak in detail about their career and their mentality in the ups and the downs.

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Like, I, I give you a lot of credit because you you get like really, really real content that I think is like really powerful and important in that we haven't heard other places.

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So I, I think it's been really special, has been special. I feel lucky to get to do it.

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Well, I'm curious, were there any like stories or like little tidbits that really stood out to you when you look back on season one?

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Um, I think smaller, big, funny, serious.

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I mean, again, loved hearing Lizzie talk about the loop because I just like I don't I still don't understand how this is possible. That was a good one. Um, I think maybe a lot of these kind of turning points in people's careers. Yeah. Lizzi choosing to go professional even when she was down and out and injured, like April Ross having to figure out to transition from indoor to outdoor to beach volleyball and and not really never having done that before.

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I mean, Hilary Knight got dropped from the US team, I think her freshman year in college, and that kind of lit her the fire that got her to where she is today.

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I think people can take a lot from these different stories in that a lot of people's success is built on a failure. Yeah, it grows out of a failure. And I know for me personally, that has been the case in my life. So I hope that people can listen and apply it to their own lives and not look at setbacks or failures or disappointments or obstacles as, oh, this is going to define me. It's like, know how how do you what do you do after this?

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That's what will define you. And I think that every single one of these athletes has a story like that. And I think most of them, we got to that place with them and they told that story. But I just think it's something that people need to hear. Yeah, it doesn't matter how many times does that people need to hear that, because that is life is overcoming obstacles. It's growing from failures. Yeah. And I think we hear that all the time, but it's like different.

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Like you're in a real story for sure. Do you want to run through some of the highlights of each episode? Yeah, go for it. I will start from the top with your bestie, Alex Morgan. My summary of that episode was that it was really fun to hear Alex just like loose and fun in herself. And then also just I think for her, like she's like the quiet achiever, even though she's like not a quiet achiever, but just like she will get thrown into a situation and just figure out how to adjust.

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It was funny because she was one of the first people that we interviewed, but she wasn't the first. And I sat down with people I knew of but didn't know well. So sitting down with her was like, this was the first. I was interviewing a very good friend. Yeah, but for me, it was as we were going through her story and her journey. Kind of finding out things that I didn't know, like I might have known subconsciously or just but never really like, oh, this is what makes you tick, this is what makes you who you are and why you've been so successful, like her ability to go from zero to 100 very quickly in terms of learning and that sort of thing on the soccer field.

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Not a lot of people can do that. Yeah, like she can.

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Mm hmm. Then we had Chloe Kim and I was so excited because I'm such a big snowboarder fan and she's young.

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So it was like.

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Hearing her talk about her experiences, she was going through things as a teenager that I didn't experience until my 20s and an individual sport athlete, but she's like the chilliest, but also like the American dream and what her and her dad were able to do.

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It was really special to hear her talk about that.

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Chloe is like a very special person, I think.

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I think all these women are very special. But her story, like it literally made me tear up. It's cheesy, but it's like the amount that they risked and sacrificed for her and her career.

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Like, it's amazing.

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And I think that Chloe is also someone that stood out to me is so much self belief and like she's so self-assured but also so humble and grounded. And I think that's like you don't meet many people like that for sure.

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I know. And the the idea of like being young and almost not thinking too much and just like going out and performing in a lot of sports, you don't get to the peak super young. So you don't have the ability to maybe almost have that.

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Like a bit of ignorance is bliss, basically. Kind of. Yeah, yeah. It's cool to talk to people about moments in time that I watched as a fan. Yeah. And then hearing how they actually felt and like what they were mentally going through or what was actually going on and not with that kind of came up in the Mikaela Shiffrin episode, which she talked about winning gold at the Olympics. And I never realized that, like, it's five hours in between runs.

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Like you watch it in a way that it seems like it's very it happened very quickly. Yeah, but it's not I don't know. It was just. Yeah. And then we'll also just like how this is something else in the individual athletes like Khloe, like a McKayla, how the feeling of winning a gold medal and then the twenty four, forty eight, 72 hours after that is filled with like all this media.

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Yeah. And all of this. But you're an individual sport athlete so you're doing it on your own. Whereas with us we have a team of teammates. So we're doing it together and it's like, you know, we won this together. We can celebrate together, whereas one of them and maybe both felt this. They're like, I don't get to celebrate with my family and friends until three days later, whereas you're celebrating with your friends and your teammates.

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So I thought that was interesting because it kind of paints winning a gold medal, which everyone thinks it's like the highest of highs, which is which it is. But then you don't hear about, oh, the media grind afterwards, like, yeah, it seems great to be on TV and do all these things. But in reality and I think Khloe talked about this, she was like, it's not that fun. Like I just want to go and be with my family.

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So yeah, I do think that was kind of a bummer. And it made me think about, like how much we pull on, like these women and top athletes as you're nodding.

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Yeah. I mean, we all choose to do that. Yeah. Kind of part of the game. OK, Candice was incredible. Like, she's the go. She's just one defensive player of the year, which I was so proud of her. Like, I just so impressed she came on the pod.

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Things happen if you go on the pad. Exactly.

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But just talking to her, I just felt like I was absorbing knowledge and wisdom from her and just advice and inspiration and just the way she carries herself, the way she speaks, the way she approaches basketball. And life was awesome to be able to have that conversation and hear that.

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Yeah, I felt like we got to learn from her and the you know, and I mean, so much stood out to me about Candice.

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But when she declined an invite to play with USA Basketball after they had not treated her great, I was like, that is just baller like, who does that? And that's like I mean, that is someone who knows what they want, knows who they are, has their principles, has our values and is just unwavering.

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And I just was so impressed with that. Doesn't need the validation from from outside sources. Has a with that at all. Yeah.

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And her story with her daughter, I mean just after all that is incredible.

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I mean the fact that she traveled overseas with a child at that age, like I just, I don't I wasn't doing it. I mean, I could have never done that.

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Not many people could. Yeah. I mean, that's a lot to put on your shoulders, I feel like. Yeah, I know for sure. And I think that just speaks volumes about the type of person that she is. Yeah. And to be able to then accomplish so much, she was just wild.

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Yeah. Like she hasn't had a mediocre career. Like she's absolutely bald now. I know. I know. Crazy.

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That was also another thing that I loved about this. I would get the prep for the interviews or for the conversations and then I would do my own research.

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But reading through what these women have accomplished every time I actually write did I like this is insane to see the careers that some people have had.

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It's just it's crazy. It makes me be like, damn, I need to work harder.

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I've had a pretty stellar career as well, right, but like, I don't know, it's just it was it's it was motivational to me to be like this is what these people have done.

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It's like the consistency, you know, like being able to just year in and year out produce as an athlete is difficult. And so many of these athletes have done that so well.

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School for not plug just one sports too hard.

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But I do feel like that's a little bit with Tomoe so crazy about this podcast that, like, it almost needs to exist, like Candace Parker, Chloe Kim and I like these women.

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We say we're talking to the best athletes in the world every week, like we really, really are.

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Like the fact that we're unpacking these stories for maybe the first time in some cases, like that's easier to me than anything else. And also even for me, like I've become a fan of the WNBA, which I obviously I've watched it before. But after sitting down with Stewy and hearing her and like what she's accomplished at such a young age and what she's able to do on the court, it's just and hearing other people talk about her. And so that was something that I'm like, why haven't I watched the WNBA before, you know, or consistently followed them like I do?

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And it's because there's not like they're not on ESPN. They're not being consistently covered and they should be. And like, that's why we're doing what we're doing. But I like me as a female athlete and a fan of other female athletes, like why haven't I in the past been following it like I am now?

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Yeah, well, four percent of sports coverage is low. So I know it's like that's kind of what you're touching on. Like, this is like obviously what we think about all the time. I just women's sports and like, I think a big part of it is like access, like what you say, like a lot of time these games are not on TV or they're hard to find or whatever. I mean, this is why we have a schedule page on our site so people can see like what's happening and how to watch, you know?

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So I think that's a really big part of it is like making the games more accessible. Then I think the other side of it is like, why do we love sports, the culture?

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We love rooting for our teams and rooting for our people and our players. And who is this person and what are they all about? And I think that's also been missing on the women's side.

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So I think like being like, oh, Stewie's supercool or Kerri Walsh is like this or like that, like it builds the whole culture around it. So you can root for the athlete in their sport and it builds the world like I mean, I feel like if that's what we're trying to do, that's what you're doing for sure.

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Now, I completely agree. Like I was telling Hillary, I was like, I want to come watch game as soon as possible. Like, that sounds awesome to be able to go and cheer them on. Speaking of Hillary, give her episode. It was awesome. I love hockey. Hockey.

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Such an exciting to watch. Yeah. And Hillary was it was really cool to talk to her because I feel like she is leading the charge on bringing women's hockey to what it should be here in the US and kind of globally. And I know a lot of what she's going through. You know, like we all kind of have these similar experiences of trying to get league started and people to invest and believe in what they're what we're creating. I always say this about Hillary, but I really think she's like a visionary in the space.

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Like just being like this is what it could be and this is what we need to get it there. Like, let's go make sure. I think that's absolutely the right mindset around women sports. Yeah.

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And the fact that they decided to go their own direction and build what they think it should be, that takes a lot of guts and it's risky and it's like anxiety inducing.

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So I, I have a lot of respect for her and all the other players that are doing that. I think it's not easy.

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Yeah, it's starting a business and like being an elite athlete, which is like that's a lot. It's all fun.

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Yeah. And then Kari was awesome because she is the goat of sand volleyball court. Like her mentality was so fascinating to hear. She's a killer. Yes. You know, she said something like about, oh, she's never felt relief after winning a gold because she's always she's always been like, no, we should have won this.

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This is this was supposed to happen. Like we put in the work. We were the better team, all those things. And I'm like, I instantly feel relief after I've won a major tournament. But why do you feel relieved? Why do I. Yeah. What makes you feel really like you win the World Cup and you feel really it's like, why why relief?

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Because like I said, because I've been in tournaments where we haven't won. So I know that you can be the better team. You can do other things right. But you could still it's like you're balancing on a knife edge. Something could go wrong and it's game over. You're done and that's it for the next four years. So I know how precarious of a situation international tournaments are. World Cups, Olympics, that sort of thing, and then on top of it for me, I think a lot of times when I felt relief or the reason I felt relief is because it's not just me.

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And I know for Kerry, it's not just her. There's other people on the court, but I mean, it's her and her partner. But there's so many players on the team. And like especially when I was younger, when we won the 2012 Olympics, that for sure was the instant reaction was like, thank God I didn't mess this up for the older players like that. I felt initially. Were you starting in that game?

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Were you playing? Yeah, I played I started played every game of that Olympics. And I was super young, so I was just, oh, my God, there's players on this team that this is their last major tournament and I'm a baby.

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Don't lose this for them.

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Yeah. So, wow. But yeah, Carrie's mentality is just it's like no one else is out there.

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Yeah, I think that's definitely part of it. The relief is like, oh, there's expectation internally from the team that we won't win individually. I want to win. But then there's so much expectation from external sources that are just like, yeah, you should win.

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You have a carry was a stone cold killer. And I think she has a quote.

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And she was like they were losing. I don't want to get the team wrong, but it might have been to China and they were losing. And she was like, but I could see it in their eyes or see her in their eyes. And I was like, oh, my God.

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Yeah, I know you are a competitor. Like, Oh yeah, gosh, she likes songer teeth into it and just like, ripped apart.

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Yeah but but it's funny because Carrie is like in our interactions with her, like she's such like a ray of sunshine and she lives on the beach that. Yeah. Our producer Robin saying the smiling assassin like she's just like this happy go lucky person, but she is a killer.

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And for sure it was interesting to hear it because I feel like you hear like, oh, she's won so many gold medals, she's been so successful.

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But then to pull back the curtain and be like and this is why I get it totally.

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But I heard you're kind of like that, too. I think I am. I think that I yeah. I kind of, you know, talk about that more. I think a lot of elite athletes have the similar mindset of like it's a mental game. If you win the mental game, you've put in all the work for, you know, the technical side of it. And you could be just technically as good, you know, just as fit whatever as somebody else.

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But then if you have this mental piece to your game, that's what separates you from a lot of other people.

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Do you think there's a mental piece or do you think that they're like this is kind of a complicated question, but do you think that you can have that mental edge in different ways, like carries a killer? But Candice was very stoic.

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Yeah, no, I do, because Candice said something along the lines of calm as a superpower.

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Yeah, I love Duck. I was like I wrote it down. Did you. That's exactly.

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Yeah, I was like, wasn't it. It was like as a mantra. Is that what it was. No, I think she was like, calm is a superpower. I think that's real. That's such a good way of putting it. And I agree with that for sure. But no, I do think there's different ways.

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But I think you need to have like pieces of a lot of different things, like you need to be cold blooded killer, but then also calm, but then also, like, ruthless, but then also not let anything phase you, which I guess is calm.

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I don't know. So what's your mental superpower?

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What's allowed you to be Kelaher O'Hara competitiveness? Probably just you want to win everything. Like do you win every fitness test? Who are you? That person? I think I used to be that person.

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And then I was like, I don't need to win all of this. So whether I win this or not doesn't mean if I'm going to start, you know, like it's not a direct correlation. So and also, like, winning this big test doesn't necessarily mean I am super fit. And also winning this Beutner's could set me up for failure down the road in a couple of days.

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So, oh, that's getting older and wiser, I think.

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I know exactly. It's kind of like I mean, my approach to a lot of training in the past was like, pound it out, grind it out no matter how you feel like blah. And I think that that's more of a mental piece. And a lot of workouts are a grind, but it's like learning what is actually productive and what's not, you know. Yeah, but when do you feel like you learn that?

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Because that's something I think about a lot, because I think I grossly overtrained and then I just I think I mean, I think I did too. But then when did you when were you able to be like, all right, all right, I can dial back and it's OK. So the year that I hurt my hamstring tendon attachment was that was from Overtreat. That was twenty eighteen I think. Twenty eighteen. Yes, twenty eighteen. And that was from overtraining.

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And I specifically remember when I like I think I tore it, I like lifted earlier in the day and then I went and trained with the United Academy and then after we're in for an hour, 90 minute session that was pretty intense. And then afterwards I was like, no, I got to get in my my runs and then did runs. And I was like, I feel this happening. And I just kept running. It's like, no, just stop.

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You're being an idiot. So, yeah, after that I was like, no, there's ways to maximize your productivity. And that doesn't mean grinding it out. Like recovery is just as important as the actual work you do on the field.

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It's interesting, though, hearing it. No, it is. Yeah. I mean, I wish I would have learned a lot of this earlier in my career, but that's just kind of how it goes sometimes in life.

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Yeah, it's just such a balance because I feel like I mean, we heard it in all these interviews and you hear it with, like all the best athletes in the world.

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Like, they work so hard. They work so hard. They were. So hard, but there is I mean, like everything it's all balance, you know, and there is like as you're finding your edge, finding your edge, like you will push past your edge points. Yeah. And it's about like pushing it to the edge, but not going over the not going over.

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Yeah, but I do feel like there's a lot of systems that reward more is more. And I don't think that's true honestly in anything, but especially in sports, like at some point you can overtrain, you can over work, you're less productive or less efficient, etc cetera.

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Speaking of training, Mikaela Shiffrin loves to train. She loves to train. I loved this interview hearing her talk about how she's like I didn't really enjoy the races. Like, I just wanted to train and I never thought about it. How downhill skiing. You were like, game day is really three minutes long in terms of the actual on the slopes competing part of it. But then it sometimes can be like 12 hours long because it's that long in between races, which is crazy.

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But then for soccer players, it's a 90 minute game where soccer players would rather play a game than train. And she was like, no, I'd rather train because I can get in so many reps and I can work on the precision and the technical side. Yes.

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I never thought about before. Yeah, I feel like I learned so much from our interview. That's like I mean, you think about it in soccer, it's like that's like playing Saturday and Sunday, like that's like two different game days basically, which, you know, the other thing that really stood out to me and Mikael is interviewing.

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I'm curious what you think about this. She absolutely lights up when she talks about like when she gets in that zone and she's writing that ad, which she's like everything about her, like you can even hear it. Like, I remember watching her get all animated, but you can hear it in her voice, like she just loves it.

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Yeah, I thought that was so cool.

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Yeah. She is a skier through and through.

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Totally. And just the feeling and I think you guys had an exchange where she was talking about like, oh, it must be like it when you strike the ball clean. And I was like, yeah, it's kind of that feeling of like just ultimate freedom almost.

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Yeah. It's like not perfection because I don't know if, like, we've talked about this many times that perfection isn't attainable, but it's excellent and not like she's trying to get to that point where it's like the perfect run.

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Perfect. Yeah, the most excellent run. Yeah.

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And also just the intensity. This also goes back to Chloe and and this is also with Lizzy.

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But extreme sports like flying down a mountain at that speed is insanity to me. Yeah.

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And then also like Chloe, like going how many feet above the lip of a high of a halfpipe.

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Part of me wishes I would have done an extreme sport because there's such like an adrenaline rush that comes with it. But I guess I get that when I'm playing soccer too. But it's just wild some of the things that these people can do. Yeah. And I'm curious what you thought about this, too, because I think I always thought, like, oh enclitic him like flies the half or like Mikaela Shiffrin. It's like flying down the mountain like they're chillin.

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But hearing McCaleb like, oh like I don't want to get her riding the edge.

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I'm deciding how much I should pull back. Yeah. Oh you're just dealing with all the stuff that I'm would be thinking about too.

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I'm curious what you thought about that.

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Yeah, it is interesting because I think as Chloe about like, how do you try a new trick and she kind of just goes for it.

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But also there's not it's not this blind or naive. Oh, I'm just going to throw myself up there. It's like going through in your mind and that sort of thing stays another one. And I'm curious what you thought about this. Like she's just a winner, like every stage, like I think she said in eighth grade, she was on varsity. She went to the best, you know, college basketball program. And then she's Rookie of the year, like, yeah, just win after win after win and like, still hungry.

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Like, I'm curious what you thought about that.

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Well, I think just being able to do that that quickly in the WNBA, that would be like, you know, somebody coming out of college and winning Player of the year, like Most Valuable Player. In the end result, which would be very, very hard to do, yeah, that to me, very impressive. Yeah. How young she is and she's already accomplished so much. I think the impression I get with Stewart and I'm curious if you agree, is that she seems a little more quiet, but underneath it's like she's like all in, you know.

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Yes. Everything.

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She's still so young, like where is she going to take it? Like I feel like she's just getting started, which is scary and exciting. Yeah. I feel like the WNBA has a lot of young, really bright stars. Like just cool.

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Yeah, Lizzie was awesome. Obviously they have X games and they have competitions, but the vibe in skateboarding isn't necessarily like, oh, if you're winning competitions you're the best. It's also about the culture and like how you skate and, you know, the videos that you put out in the clips and that sort of thing. It's now going to be in the Olympics, which is really cool. But I really like talking to her because it was just it was different.

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And it was it was interesting to hear how somebody in that type of sport approaches things. Yeah, Lesya is cool. Skateboarding is the farthest from like any of the other sports, like even like a beach volleyball, which is like pretty unscripted, has like some sort of path, but like skateboarding, like there's no rules.

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I know. And to hear how she decided, like when she was injured, that she was going to drop out of school and pursue skateboarding professionally, even though there wasn't any certainty really around it in terms of like financial services or anything like that. Like you said, there's not a scripted path like there is in soccer and basketball, all those sorts of sports. I was impressed and the frickin what is it called?

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The Loop.

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So when when I was preparing for the interview and I read this and I read the description of the loop, I thought that it was a move that you that like a skateboarder did on the skateboard where they just like went in a 360 and then I YouTube and watch it.

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It was like, oh my gosh, so wrong. I have no idea. And then hearing her talk about that experience was probably my favorite part of the interview because it's such a crazy thing to try to do. Yeah. Also like shout out to Lizzie because I feel like she is a total trailblazer in skateboarding. Yeah.

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I feel like we've been kind of casual about that, but like cover of Thrasher, like I know this stuff, like she is like, like the Billie Jean King of Women Skateboarding, which is like so dope, so cool. Like it'll be interesting to see her in the Olympics and like yeah. I'm curious how it goes. Yeah. All right.

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April Ross, I loved this interview because at the end April said something along the lines of like, you made me think about a lot of things that I had never thought about God and the love that well, just because, like, I was like all that, like, you know, she enjoyed the conversation and it made her think and like, she was very, you know, retrospective and like thinking about her life and her career.

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She thought about things, talked about things that she maybe had never considered before. Yeah. I thought this is one of our most thoughtful interviews. Yeah. I mean, even in her, like, demeanor, like, I don't know, she was calm. She was thinking about it like which I don't know.

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I thought it was interesting to hear an athlete who I mean, she's going for gold in less than a year and I'll be so like reflective on her career and like what's gone right. What's gone wrong. Like, I just thought it was an interesting time to have this conversation with her for sure. You know what stood out to me about that one, too? And I'm curious what you think about this is when she played Carrie in the finals of and forgetting what Olympics it was.

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But I want to see twelve, twenty, twelve and that they lost. And she felt like in hindsight that she felt like she was supposed to lose and that she didn't show up mentally like all the way. And I think just I don't know, expectations and sports and like what you really believe you can accomplish.

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Like I think it's so important. And it was interesting to hear her say that it had like, if she could do it again, she'd show up with a different mentality. Yeah.

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And then also the fact that so much of sand volleyball was just you and your partner like you determine who your teammates are going to be. You don't have a coach. Yeah. Picking that for you. Like, I never really thought about it that much. And that seems very stressful because your fate is determined by your ability to work with somebody else and you're the one choosing that person. Therefore, it's all on you. So and most of the time where you move on from a partner, it feels like you're breaking up with somebody, which would be another layer of I don't want to have to deal with that as like an athlete, an like.

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Does it make you appreciate coaches more? Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's just something that as a soccer player, I've never thought about, like, oh, I'm sure you've thought about it.

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Like having you sometimes been like, oh, why won't they just play this back? And are like this midfield or something like that. Oh, yeah, for sure. I've thought about that. I'm saying I've never had to think like, oh besides, if you're a schoolyard pick, that sort of team, like, I've never thought about having to have that on my shoulders as a decision maker. Yeah, it's a wild dynamic. It really is like a relationship.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So I mean, I obviously like Alex. No, Sam really well. We were teammates for a couple of years on Sky-Blue, but then we also competed against each other at the international stage. So she's the only person that I talked to who I've competed against, you know, big things.

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And with Sam, I had a front row seat to see her go from being good to being like who she is now. Sam Curre, what everyone thinks when they think Sam Zamka, because it really exploded while we were teammates at Sky-Blue, like I watched her mentality evolve and how she approached things like you could just see something was building there. And yeah. That she was like on the verge of being who everyone knew that she could be.

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It was fun to be able to talk to her about that. What do you think shifted for her? I know she talked about it, but curious what you think.

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She's very, very good and is one of the most athletic people I've ever played with. But then you couple that with, like the competitiveness and then the actual level of play, her technique, her understanding of tactics. That's our thing. She had to realize that she could do it and she had to be the one to make herself to get there, you know?

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Yeah. Yeah. I think the theme of, like, I could do that, like, that was so cool to hear. Two themes that stood out to me are two things that were consistent, I felt like were the importance of role models and mentors like Hilary. And I came from an athletic family. Kerri Walsh came from a family of athletes. Sam Curry's brother was a professional athlete. Candace Parker's brothers were athletes, which I just thought that was sort of consistent.

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And then on the other side, too, you know, Stewy CANDIS Sackur all had amazing coaches and mentors throughout their career that really stood out to me.

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But I'm curious what you think. No, I definitely I definitely agree with that. And then on top of that, I would say a lot of athletes mentioned either the nineteen ninety six Olympics. Yeah. The 1999 World Cup. Yeah. Which I thought was interesting because as a kid during that time like that, those were my memories as well. Like I specifically remember seeing the 1996 women's gymnastics team for the Olympics on TV competing for their country and kicking ass while doing it, and as a little kid being like, oh, I'm going to do that, I want to do that.

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And that was really my first time, I think probably ever seeing female athletes on TV, which is crazy to think about, but that is the reality.

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So I think that being able to see something allows you to believe it. Kind of like Sam Kirby, like, oh, I could do that, you know, but yeah, yeah. Somebody do something. And the the importance of exposure and visibility is so important not just in sports, but in life in general.

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But I think sports is a really good example of that. And I know. That that was the case for me. Yeah, that's cool. I mean, that's our whole thing, right? Yeah, exactly. I know. And that's what we're doing. So, like, if people can hear these stories in a format that they probably have never heard a lot, you know, people know a lot of these athletes, but being able to listen to their journeys and find those points and those connection pieces that, you know, it might be a kid listening.

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It might be a 50 year old listening. It doesn't matter. But there's this personal connection of, you know, even if you're not a professional athlete, the things that everyone goes through as humans, I think is is really cool.

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Just beautiful. Kelly.

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We have a lot more stories to tell and a lot more a lot more work to be done. But I'm really excited for season two.

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Excited for season two will be back before you know it and better than ever. Stay tuned. Thanks so much for listening to the show this week. You can subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. And also don't forget to sign up for the just women's sports newsletter. It's everything you need to see and know in women's sports, delivered straight to your inbox and while you're at it, also throws a ball on social.

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It's not just women's sports. Our show is co-produced by just Women, Sports and Boom integrated a division of John Marshall Media. Big thanks to our executive producers Hayley Rosen, Adrian Glover and Robin Wright, Jawn Murray and Sydney Sharda Research Postproduction is by Jen Grossman and Clint Broox. Special thanks to Jesse Louis, Sarah Storm and Hayley Cotliar. I'm Kelly O'Hara and you've been listening to the Gentleman Sports Podcast.