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We had to sell houses, get rid of houses, move multiple times because, like what I was doing was so expensive. But he wanted me to do what I loved and saw that I was passionate about something which was really important to him. And he was full on willing to support something that I loved.


Welcome to the Just Women's Sports podcast, where we talk to the biggest athletes in the world about the untold stories behind their success. I'm Kelly O'Hara and my guest today is Chloe Kemp. Chloe is a five time X Games champion and Olympic gold medalist and half pipe. She's the youngest woman to ever win snowboarding gold at the Olympics, as well as the first ever to land back to back ten eighties in a competition in 2018. After her breakout performance in the Olympics, we want a trio of Aspies for best female athlete, best female Olympian and best female action sports athlete.


Chloe, welcome to the show. Thank you. Were we finding you today? I am currently home. And Marina Del Rey, California.


So you're in Southern California and that's where you grew up in Torrance. But you are an Olympic gold medalist in snowboarding. So explain how you got into that, because there are no mountains near Torrance, California, except for a couple hours away. So give us a rundown on how you got into snowboarding. Yeah. So I started when I was four and actually started skiing when I was three and I didn't really do it. I went like twice. My dad wanted to try skiing like some type of snow sports.


So we went to Mountain High. And so that's like where we would go. And then when I was four, I tried snowboarding. I was like really good at it. So then it just kind of became a thing I learned with my dad. And so the true story, I'm really sorry.


It's like that's like my interview, whatever. That's my answer, OK. But the real story is my dad won. Try snowboarding with my mom. Oh, my mom didn't want to go. So my dad took me to, like, bribe her. But then I was like unexpectedly really good had it. So it was my dad driven by my mom to go. And I ended up finding the sport I supposed to do. That's amazing.


And a great story. And we got the true story. That's like you heard it here first. Had your dad ever been skiing or snowboarding before, like, as a kid, or was you just. Oh, I'm interested. I want to try this. Yeah.


I think you just want to try it because I think California is kind of known where you're able to do a snow sport and like be at the beach in the same day. It's kind of thing. Yeah. So who's like, oh my gosh, I really want to try. Like that's so cool. I would want to try and be on the snow. Cause I don't know if he's had experience with the snow. I don't know if he grew up in a snowy area in Korea.


But anyways so yeah, it was like super random, but it worked. So your dad takes you and you are four years old. First time you're on a snowboard and you're good at it. What does that even mean? Like what does that even look like as a four year old being good at snowboarding? It's just like you're fearless. What is that? Yeah.


I think it is just one being fearless. I learned how to turn really quickly and really easily. And, you know, like, I was able to understand how to snowboard, like, way better than my parents, my dad, especially my dad, like, sort of taking me more often. And he saw that I had potential. So then we started doing more. And my dad is so funny because he didn't know how to snowboard. Like getting on and off of a chairlift is very, very difficult.


I think it's one of the harder things to do, especially for a beginner. So what my dad would do is we'd get onto the chairlift and when we were about to get off, he'd like grab me and get ready to fall. Because, like, he just knew it was coming. But, like, I got annoyed, right? Because at a certain point, I've kind of figured out how to get off without falling every single time.


But he could, but he couldn't. So when I was like five or six, I was like, yo, dad, like you, if you're going to fall, do it. Don't drag me down with you. Like, let me do my thing. Let me spread my wings. So he was like, okay, fine. And obviously I rode away just fine and my dad, like, fell and they had to stop. The chairlift knows this whole thing totally.


I feel like it looks way better when you have a kid because you're like, oh, you don't try and help the kid. The kid fell.


Yeah. But now as my dad and everyone's just annoyed, but like we would ride all day. So we're doing this all day, like after every single front, like we're going back up and falling.


Has your dad been able to learn how to get off chairlift by now?


You know, he still struggles sometimes, but he's definitely better. Yeah.


So I grew up skiing and then switched to snowboarding when I was teenager. Obviously not at the Olympic level, just for fun. But yeah, you have to have a little bit of fearlessness or not know any better so that you don't get scared, because I feel like kids who learn later on in life, you know, what pain feels like and you don't want to get injured.


Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I had no sense of pain at that age. Yeah. So when did snowboarding change from like, oh, this is just something I enjoy doing too. I'm in a half pipe trying to nail a trick. So when I was like six there was a competition at at Mountain High and my parents are like, cool, let's sign her up and just see how she does. No idea of what's going on. I don't necessarily know how many people is competing against.


But I got third. Which is cool because I like no practice. Thought about it before Enzo met. I was like, OK. Like, she got a bronze medal. That's cool. So I wonder what would happen if we, like, started practicing, like, you know, it's like exciting. Like it is just a fun thing. My dad had a daughter that was like really into a sport. He was like, really stoked because I also feel like is something he perceived as only being able to have with a son.


But, you know, me being his daughter and him being able to, like, have that exchange with his daughter was really cool. So he's like really stoked about it. And so we started, like training. Like, I would go to the mountain, like after school and ride at night because at night writing. So I do that. And then like the next year I started like winning a couple contests and then yesterday I'll start winning a couple of contests.


And then when I was eight, I moved to Switzerland to live with my aunt because my parents wanted me to learn French. So I went and lived in Geneva for a couple of years. But by yourself on your own. Yeah. Well, my dear relative, yes. Yeah. And my friends would come visit me like once in a while. But the cool thing about Citoyen is our winter breaks I think would be like a month long. They'd be like longlong like Braith.


So during all my breaks I'd be able to go snowboard because we're doing like the best snow in the world. So there that's kind of when I became a little more experience with half pipes like I had competed in pipes before. But like they were only good half. So the buzzword to Geneva.


Yeah. And you said that your parents sent you there so that you could learn French fluently. Yeah. Do you think there's a little bit in the back of your dad's mind like Geneva Mountains? She's good at snowboarding. She'll be able to do a lot.


I don't think so, because the other thing is, like my family and I, we're bollen on a budget. Like growing up, I had a lot of kids that were very wealthy and I came from wealthy families. So, like, obviously they could go and travel the world and do all that at a young age. My my grandparents, they did not have that. So me going to Switzerland was like important to them. My sisters had done it, too.


So that was part of a thing that was like guaranteed. But then you just knew at eight years old you're gonna get shipped to Switzerland. I just knew it was my destiny. The cool thing about my dad is he's really good at finding bargains.


Deals like he's negotiated, negotiated. So he was somehow able to maneuver. And some like we'd stayed at like a chalet once in the mountains with like another like a school. And they had like an empty room. So like we stayed there instead of like a hotel that would cause us thousands of dollars for a week, just like things like that that I actually really appreciated. There was so much fun, but there they had really good half pipe. So I would like practice and like, I had a lot of fun in them.


I also loved slopestyle. So like jumps and stuff. And so they had really good jumps there, too. So I was able to have a lot of fun and get a little more extreme. And then when I was nine, I went back to that mountain for a contest that they had called the Burton European Open, and I did the junior jam. So it's like a baby. And I won the pipe contest there and got third in slopestyle.


That's incredible. Yeah. So it's like, OK, like that was my first big win. I was like, super excited. Yeah. It was kind of affirming that you were really good. Yeah. I was like pretty like. Big contest, in a sense, like a bunch of kids or a bunch of different countries would go and compete there. It was like almost like a pro contest. It felt like a pro contest to me. And then from there, I was like, okay, I think I'm actually really good at this.


So let's keep trying and see what happens. And then from there, it just gets, like, uninteresting. No, it doesn't.


It's just getting started. So you go into this competition, you're you said junior junior jam. Yeah. And so you get to Geneva. There's half pipes there. There's like good train parks. Are you just going in kind of free balling it and just going for coming up with things on your own? Or at this point, are you like watching other people? How did you learn or figure out, like who I want to try this and try that.


So my dad was a mechanical engineer, so he like was like a physics genius.


This is right up my alley. So, you know, like we see other kids doing tricks.


And I feel like when I first started snowboarding and my dad would do a little bit of research and then the first person he thinks about is like Shaun White, right. Like that. Shawn, I was like at his Qik when I kind of was starting to like we'd watch a bunch of his tricks. Right. And then we're like, OK. That kind of opened the door like some like women's snowboarders because we didn't know anything about snowboarding when we first started.


So, like, I was like we were just like completely running in the dark. And so we find Zen like women. So we're so at the time, I was like Gretchen Bleiler, Hannah Teter, Kelly Clark, and like my best friend now, Ariel Gold was like killing it. She was like a dope like 12 year old at the time. Like when I was like a year. Yeah, I think that's it. So I was like, oh my gosh.


Like, really gold. She's so cool. I actually like, well, the huge fan of hers. And I like other girls around my age that we're like YouTube famous too. That would do chick. So we had a good amount of resources. But my dad back to the physics major situation, he would analyze the hell out of every single trick. So like, anytime I do something, you'd be like, OK. So like try to do this instead of that because like gravity and like your momentum, like like I don't know what momentum is, Dad.


Like, I don't know how I'm doing.


I think giving you a little physics like lessons on the side like this is why you should hold your board this way. Yeah.


I feel like sometimes he'd be completely wrong. Like when it would snow and the snow is like really heavy. He thought, like, I needed to put my weight forward because, like, that's how you get speed and physics. Like, really I needed to lean on my back foot. So I would like flow on top of the snow and not like dig in and fall. It's like they're like funny mistakes he'd make. They were like it just didn't make sense to him.


But because of his, like, engineering background and like we saw tricks out like possible to do on a snowboard through other people, it was like a really good combination. Like he definitely helped me out a lot.


Yeah. It sounds like he's one of the biggest players in your career, which is so special. At what point did Dad say, OK, I'm good at physics, but I might not really know snowboarding and you need a real coach if she wants to make it to the next level? Yeah.


So I had like a few coaches here and there and like I had a coach briefly when I was like eight when I was like in Switzerland. I joined like the Swiss team. Yeah. I like how to get them on coaches, but my dad was honestly like my biggest coach. I genuinely trusted everything he said and really valued his opinion on a lot of things. And so when it came to a trust and confidence, it was like all him.


He was like my favorite coach and the best coach I could have. And so he honestly taught me most of my tricks up until. I was like 13. And then when I was like 13 and I was like doing bigger things and like more rotations and more flips, he can decided to take a step back because when I was like 12, 13, I started going higher in the air. And I think at that moment he was like, this fall is gonna hurt a lot more.


So if I say something wrong, like, I could honestly jeopardize her possible career. So he kind of like took a step back and let coaches handle it. When I was like twelve. Yeah, that makes sense.


He's probably so proud of you, but also half the time terrified when you're in the air, like, does he get nervous when you're competing? I don't know if he gets nervous. I know there's like a viral picture of him at the bottom of the Olympic hype, like during my runs, he's just double fisting beers.


I need to meet your dad. He's outdoors. Yeah, I know. Like, he seems really chill. My mom's the one that gets so nervous. Like she's like frozen willing computing. Like she can't move. She can't breathe. Like, it's insane.


I feel like that, you know, the combination of the two because you seem very chill when you're competing.


Yeah, I'm pretty laid back. I don't know how I'm going to be now, though. Like, I'm kind of scared to effect a contest, but we'll see because you have been competing for a while. Yeah, I haven't been snowboarding for a while. Yeah, it's insane. But I honestly think it's all muscle memory. I'm not too stressed about it.


I agree. I think that you'll be just fine. Trust me from somebody who has been out of sports for long stretches of time because of injury, like it comes back pretty quickly in terms of like the technical aspect of it. So I think it'll be fine. That's such a relief. Yeah, for sure. So, OK, so you go to Geneva, you learn French, you become really good at snowboarding and you turn professional at 12:00. Right.


So I mean, as a soccer player and a lot of other athletes, becoming a professional doesn't happen until you're into your 20s. What went into that decision to turn pro..


I mean, I guess what is the definition of pro? You know, like there's so many different definitions of pro. I don't really know what pro is, but for me personally, it was just like the moment I start going to bigger contests and like getting invited to bigger contests and getting sponsored and getting paid by sponsors. But if I went by that definition, then that would have been when I was like twelve. And so I found this out a little later.


But I think my parents had a discussion kind of talking about it, because, like I said, we didn't have, like, all the money in the world and they didn't. So they can just give it all to me and my sport. Yeah.


And so when it's expensive. Yeah.


Although I travel all year, travel all the lodging like it's insane and we like moved multiple times and like all of that just so like support what I love to do and what I was good at. But I guess when I was like 10, 11, like when things started to get a little more serious to the point where I was doing really well and like better than a lot of other kids, my dad was like, I can't support her forever.


Like, if she is like, you know, if she gets stuck at the junior level and is unable to, like, make any money or anything, then like we can't support her because it's just like impossible for us in our situation. So they didn't tell me any of this given because when I'm 13, I don't understand what this means. So I guess they agreed that if I wasn't like podium meeting or like doing well in big contest by the time I was 13, then they would have to cut it.


Like, realistically, it just wasn't possible. Which is so funny because right when I turned 13, I started podium at every single contest.


You just knew there was something inside of you. I did. I guess I did. But like, from the time I was eleven to twelve, I just, like, progressed so much like it was insane, like so much change in my writing and I learned so many new tricks. And then when I was 13, I was like, would win this big contest or would get second at this big contest, would get silver at the X Games like would get bronze here at the U.S. Open, like all of these crazy things.


So insane at such a young age. Insane. Then when I was 13, at the end of that season, I got awesome contrives from Monster and like I got like a good amount of money for a 13 year old. And that was just like crazy, because with that, I was able to, like, pay for all my travel, like all my food, like everything I needed for multiple seasons. And, like, that was just awesome.


And then when I was 14, I started, like, winning contests. So it honestly changed so fast. By the time like 11 to 12, then from there on, it was just like, insane. Yeah. So what do you think caused the change? Like what happened in the years of your life? 11 and 12. Or was it just like you had been doing it long enough that it had become natural and like your full potential was starting to be realized?


I don't know.


I don't know what I did differently. I didn't grow a lot like I did in a bunch of weight to like where I had more speed. I don't know what happened. It was like when I was eleven, I was going like three feet out of the half pipe. And when I was twelve, I was going like ten feet out of the half pipe, like, it was like insane. And then. When I was 13, I was going like consistent like 10 to 13 feet out, like it was like a really big jump.


What is normal at that age for, like, the height to get out of a half pipe? What were other people your age doing?


I mean, like if you look at other people that age now, like eleven, twelve, they're like probably getting a foot or two out.


Like it's a you were just you were like you're like beyond where you are. Yeah. Like, I honestly might have been better than I am now. Like I just had this crazy peak moment and like there when I was like 13, I learned like bunch of big girl tricks. I was doing like nine hundred. So it became the youngest woman to do a nine hundred. And then like when I was 14, I learned 10 eighties, which is something that all the girls were winning with.


Now I was starting to do it. So when I put it together and runs, I was able to win contests with that. And then when I was 15, I learned like the cab 10 80s, and then I did them back to back. So that's why I like start a winning contest with that, too, because I was the first woman to do back to back ten eighties. It was just like since I was 12, I just kept progressing so fast.


I was learning so many tricks and was really like improving that. I don't know. I don't know if I can get back to that.


Oh, come on. You're gonna be fine up here at this point. Yeah. No, I mean, like that learning. Like I'm saying, that was like, so insane. I just genuinely don't think it's possible for anyone to do that. Like, I don't know how I did it.


Yeah. So at what point do you think you realized that you had it the it factor that like I could be an Olympic gold medalist? Was it before the progression started? Was it during. Was it once you sort of podium ing.


This is like something I kind of left out my body, but while I was in Switzerland, we were at a mountain and I was like nine, ten at this point.


And I was like nine or ten. And we saw this girl snowboarding and the half pipe and she was like, really good. And so we like went down and talked to her coach while she was writing. And the coaches coaches like Galley, she's an Olympian. And my dad was like, really? My dad is like, okay. She's really good. But I could be like my daughter getting to that point in no time, like, I think it's possible for her.


I think that's kind of when the dream started to become almost realistic for him. And it's just like something he really he loved the idea of it and he thought it was actually possible. So she really like inspired this, like, Olympic journey because it didn't seem unattainable at that time.


So then like it was. Do you remember who it was?


I don't remember the name. She is a Japanese snowboarder.


Yeah, but the thing about that story. Like the stories that you had probably never seen an Olympic snowboarder before in your life, maybe not even on television, you know, and to be able to see that. And then your dad had this realization and you were able to see it now. I mean, obviously would be cool if you remembered. But the fact was, like you saw Olympic snowboarder and really all want to do that.


Yeah. Yeah. It's just crazy how that works. Right. So then, like, that was a really big eye opener for me and my dad. And when I was 13, I qualified for the Olympic team technically, but I was too young to go. And I think from there and I was like, oh, my God, I was able to compete. And I'm like, kind of just for fun. And my dad was like, yet gay would be funny if you like, made the team and I couldn't go.


Right, because, like, that's funny. There's no it's going to happen. But literally it happened. And I think at second and third, I like the last two qualifiers and a podium that the other ones.


So explain his people listening. I understand you're 13, you make Team USA. What does that even mean to make Team USA? Because is it selected by a coach? Is it based on your performances in different events and how you rank? Give us your info.


I always assume everyone knows what my sport is. I understand. So the way we qualify for the Olympics is we have qualification events and we have 4.5 the season before. And so they will take like the top four riders, like the top four people that did the best at those contests, like they'll be the ones that are able to go. And so when I say, like, I qualified for the team, it meant that I was one of those four people who did really well at all.


The contest and each contest, depending on what place you get, you get like X amount of points. So at the end of all the contests, like round up all those scores and the people with the highest would be able to go. So I landed like second or third on that list when I was 13. My parents are like, that's really funny. Like what?


Yeah. What did that feel like? Like you. Because then for people listening, like you said, you were too young. You couldn't even go compete even though you had earned a spot on that team, you couldn't go compete in the Olympics. So what was that like for you? Bombed. You're just like more pumped that you had made it. The one thing I miss from that time my career was I think I wasn't bummed because like a.


Understood. The you know, the rules and stuff like that. It is what it is. I already knew that that was going to be the case going into it. But I think when I actually qualified, I was bummed because I think when I first started and I first started getting on podiums and stuff that's like such an awesome time and in anyone's career because there's no pressure on you to do well. You don't like, have to consistently, like, keep doing well, I guess, like, please others in a sense.


Not really. Please others, but just like you have that reputation. Now I have that reputation of winning everything.


There's no expectations when you have it down for like no one cares no matter what you do.


Everyone's like, I hate this hell.


I was like, I would have been so cool to go because I think that's why I did so well to a contest back then when I showed a bit nervous was I was like, I'm a baby, committer everyone else. I have so much more time to learn. Like, every contest is a great experience for me and I'm learning and no one expects me to do well. Everyone kind of expects me to do poorly because I'm a baby. So, like, that's cool.


Like being the underdog is cool. So I was like, Diana would have been cool to let go and, like, hang out. I was almost trying to see if they'd take me with them just so I can experience it. But that didn't happen. Yeah, for sure. Did you end up watching the Olympics? I did, yeah. And it was. I know that one was rough for my sport. I remember watching them like hose the half pipe down with water, trying to get it to freeze because they're really struggling.


All of my friends got injured on that trip. So I was like, it's cool that I didn't go.


As I say, it might have been what was meant to be. Also, I was 13. I feel like I would just bounce back like now if I fall like I heard. But like back then, I could walk it off and go back up and try it again. I miss it.


Getting old isn't in terms of body.


It really isn't. I. Oh my gosh. I really want to get into it. But as soon as I just turned 20 and I would just like thinking about what I was like 12 and 13, like just chilling, living my best life.


It's very different. It is. But I don't know. I think like when I was 14, I started winning contests. And that's kind of when those expectations started to build, the pressure started to build, was like signing with bigger sponsors. And that's when I really felt pressure. And like then we found out that the Olympics were gonna be in Korea for sure. That was like crazy because. Like, my parents immigrated from South Korea. Like there's going to be a first Olympics and it honestly fit the story so well.


Yeah, it's like the perfect storm. I know you have such like. Yeah. Such a special story with so many aspects that just like come together beautifully, but so. Okay, so you qualify for Team USA. You're too young. You're bummed, but you're not that bombed. And fast forward 2015, 2016 X Games. You win gold at the next two X games. B, Kelly Clark, which was she's obviously legend in the snowboarding world.


But you're only 15 at the time. Fifteen and sixteen. Like you talked about having no pressure when you're younger. No. You know, no expectations. Is this when you started to feel pressure and have expectations on yourself? Are you still at this point like, oh, I'm just having fun and gonna go out and do my thing? I think that was kind of the point where I started to feel pressure because Kelly still is a queen. But like back then was like the snowboarding, like unbeatable.


She went like 18 contests undefeated or something crazy like that. And at all our contest after that X Games, it always a back and forth between me and her. And then I like learn the cab to Nadie. And then it started to become like I was able to win more frequently than before. I started to feel a lot of pressure and like really like stressed out. I was like really stressed out. I don't know why, but I also think during that period of time, you kind of learning a lot about yourself, you know, like teen idol, teenage years, like I was.


So what did it day to day life look like for you? Because you're a teenager, you know, you still have school, which you obviously it's very important to you. You're now enrolled at Princeton, but you're also a professional athlete travelling the world, trying to win contests and like thinking about the Olympics. So what did a day in the life look like? Yeah. So normally my freshman and sophomore year of high school, I had just started homeschooling.


So I was like really, really new to it. And I was trying to balance like snowboarding, like with school, which is almost impossible if you think about the travel and all the work that needs to be done. So I did really about my first year high school, just straight up. I had no idea what I was doing. But then towards the end of my sophomore year, and like my junior and senior year, I was able to figure it out a little more.


So my sophomore year before I won a trip, I did all the work I had to do on that trip beforehand so I could just not think about it. And then my junior my senior year, I did both years and one year. So I did.


Yeah. So.


So I did basically all of it during the summer or like kind of during the fall right before I season. I tried to be done because the Olympics fell on my senior year and I was about to ask about that.


Yeah, that was on purpose. So you wanted full focus on the Olympics. You wanted to be done with school, but yeah, I want to be done. It was so stressful. Like there was so much work to do. So much. Yeah. Gosh. Okay. I do want to stress you out about you know, it has to be restructured, but no, you need to be able to balance that.


Like, that's not that's not an easy task. And yeah, I'm the best at the world. And then also, again, do very well in school. Like, it's pretty incredible. But I want to get into this. Ten, eighty. So, one, can you explain to people what a ten. Yes. Ten eighty is like three full spins. I know. Like the math doesn't add up but in half pipe it kind of happens because we technically take off at a 90 degree angle.


So we already like gain some as we're spinning. So that's like a thing. So I learned a normal ten, eighty normal friends 1980 when I was 14 and it was like no. Super excited about it. Yeah. And then when I was 15, I was like, it'd be really cool to do it the other way because I don't it hadn't been done before. But a woman says I cause I tried it and that one was really hard to learn.


I took some good falls on that, but eventually got it figured out. And then that's when the back to back 10 babies are born. But it's a lot of spinning.


Yeah. So when you're trying to learn this trick or you doing it on land first, like into a foam pit or you just like going to go out and try to bust us out on this rock.


Yeah. It's good to just go do it. Yeah. What? OK. So you kind of like build your way up. Like I'm not like I can't have you go do a 10 80. Yeah. But like I mean we can try. I'm sure you do. Your athleticism will definitely be on your side. I do not think so. Appreciate the support. Yeah.


So for me like the most important thing was making sure I had this been before that unlock which I did when I decided to learn it. So is like it goes like one eighty three. Sixty five forty seven twenty nine hundred. Ten eighty. So like you kind of build your way up. So when I had the nine hundredths down I was like, I want to try the ten a.d.a. I take the next step. And so it's just like half a rotation more.


So honestly, it wasn't that bad. Also I actually prefer the ten eighty over the nine hundred because I don't land blind so I'm not like. Not facing the wall when I landed, I can see where I'm going to land during the spin, which is really nice to me. Yeah. I just felt more comfortable, like learning that one. Now, if I were to learn, like, another trick that I wasn't very comfortable with, I'd probably try to do it on land or like visualize and or do it into an airbag even.


But for that one, I just felt really comfortable.


That's fascinating. So would you say that your preparation for some, like a trick is more mental or it's just like, oh, I just need repetition. Like, do you walk yourself through mentally? Like, feel yourself doing it before you go?


I'm kind of like crazy, right? Like, I'm insane.


So you seem so like you seem so even keel though. That's the thing. So I'm like I know that you have to properly have a couple screws loose to be able to like fling yourself into the air that high above a very compact piece of large snow. So but it's just funny because you come off as like so chill. But you do have like this thrill seeking death threat in your body. If I want to do something, I'm going to do it.


And that's just always how I've been. Like when I was a baby, I was in E r local because I would always hurt myself from jumping to, like, rolling around. I would always get stuck in the toilet because I'd fall into the toilet while trying to get something that's in the cabinets. Like, I was always I was very adventurous. And that hasn't changed. Like now I understand to, like, not step on the toilet. But like, I seek that thrill in my sport.


Do you think that you kind of seek out adrenaline rushes? Do you think that's part of what separates you from other athletes in the sport? I think most no words like that, but it seems like you're like that from a very young age. Yeah. I think for what I do like, being fearless is so important because and trusting yourself is so important because the minute you doubt yourself, you're actually going to enjoy yourself. And the minute you start being afraid of what could potentially happen, that's when it's actually going to come true.


So for me, I'm the type of person that's going to sleep in a sketchy airplane because if it goes down in flames, I'd rather be asleep doing it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just like I understand the consequences of what I'm about to do. And like, I know it can potentially happen, but I know I'm going to do it either way. So I might as well just like go full force and do everything I can do to prevent that from happening.


So I think that's a great way to look at it. Yeah. So I'm just like chillin. So you've obviously taken some pretty big spills. How do you work yourself into trying again after you've, like, hit the snow so hard?


I. I think this story is like a really good example. So I just learned a trick called a front double 10. So it's like two flips. They're like caught. So I do I'm basically doing a 10 eighty with, like, flips in it.


So I'm getting dizzy just thinking about. Yeah. It's not it's honestly not that bad. OK, but a lot of people normally learn it into an airbag. But for me, like I'm kind of scared of airbags because I've gotten a lot of concussions from them. So I'd rather just do it on snow honestly, than be out for a week because I hit my head on an airbag just trying something to do on snow anyways. So I ended up tying it on snow.


But the first one, it's like I got scared because I didn't know what I was doing.


So I like this here. I like DECT, which means you kind of go too far out and you hit the coping like the flat part instead of on the transition. So I decked and I flipped bit my tongue. I thought I was in die like it wasn't even that bad. But it just hurt so much blood, I'm sure. Yeah. Get him out of blood. And I was like, OK, that's stupid. Like, I shouldn't have done that.


I don't know. I for some reason, I was like, I really want to do it, so I'm just going to go back and try it again. So I took a little break. Got the blood out of my mouth. Drink some water. Had a snack. Same day someone tried it again, like 10 months later. What ended it? And I didn't land it, but I fell straight on my butt from like 30 feet. But I got it around.


And like that in itself was like a huge accomplishment for me. And after slamming over and over and over again, I landed a couple and then I was like, super excited. But I just felt more accomplished, like pushing through that fear instead of babying it until I felt comfortable because, like, life is uncomfortable. You're always going to be uncomfortable. I'm like, I, I love what I do and I know I'm good at it. So if I know that I have to try it eventually on snow, I'd rather get the full experience and just go for it.


Face the fear head on. I love it. That's awesome. All right. So 2018 Olympics. You're the star. You're favorite to win gold. What was your mindset going into the games and like all the expectations people had for you?


Well, I was like, well, I'm here, you know, like I made it this far. I thought about it. I definitely am, like, superstitious. Sometimes I'm like always sometimes overthinking certain situations because in my opinion back then. And so now I thought it was like too good to be true. Like, the whole thing was like way too good to be true. There's no way I'm going to like when the Olympics in Korea, my first time, they know it like my life just I don't get that lucky.


So there's no way I would get this lucky.


Now, when I was there and I was like kind of felt like how I did when I was younger, you know, to say I'm going to do my best. And we'll see what happens. But it was just such a crazy experience. Like I'm gonna say, I was pretty neutral with my Olympic experience. It was. What do you mean by that? Like you you looking back, you're like, oh, was it was what it was.


Are you saying, like, going into it you tried to stay neutral? Kind of looking back on it only because of a couple of things. So here I was, favorite doing and me being Korean American, I had the support of the Koreans. And it's just like, awesome. I love that so special. But the problem was when, like, the Olympic Village is like very, very tight knit and secure. Right. Like, not a lot of people can get in.


There's a lot of, like, strict rules to keep us safe. And, you know, the people who help us out are the volunteers. So, you know, Koreans will come and volunteer in the village and like, they'll work in the kitchen or like make sure we have what we need or they get the host country puts on the whole.


Exactly. It's like everything I kind of had a problem when they would, like, come up to me and like, ask pictures and, like, stuff while I'm eating or like while I'm walking to my room or like coming out of my room with them being there. And it just kind of got to a point where I was really stressed out, like totally overwhelming, I'm sure.


Like I was in a new environment, like I'm just trying to hang out. But there's like people taking pictures of me when, like, I'm just doing, like, normal things and like people following me around and people whispering about me in Korean when I understand Korean. So that gives you more anxiety.


Oh, no. So it's like afraid. And that was like kind of stressful for me. I mean, I completely understand where they're coming from. But part of me also, you know, I kind of wish that they would understand that this is a really, really big moment for me. And like, I was really, you know, really important. It was important to me. So that was that. But there is one instance where the day of my final, like the final contests, end of the day, I was going to find out if I did well or not, you know, if I had everything I ever worked.


And so the village was like an hour and a half away from the venue.


So we had to take a bus to get to the venue and our practice sort of like eight or something. So I had to wake up at six and get breakfast real quick and jump on the bus so we can get there before practice started. So like seven thirty, ideally. So I'm like, tired. I couldn't sleep the night before I was stressed, so I was like taking a nap on the bus. And one of her volunteers, I felt so bad.


But one of the volunteers like Shokri and Weg woke me up like while I was napping. And I was like, yeah, I don't want to be me.


Like, I'm so sorry. Look like I need to take a nap, like I'm tired. She shook you because she wanted a picture. What she want.


He he wanted a picture autograph like a bus. Now while we were moving and I was like, oh my God.


And like normally look at me like coach or anyone wasn't around. I thought I go have been OK, but like my coach saw and obviously he's pissed because, like, you know, this is a made sleep. Yeah. Yeah. This is important for me, but also like the team. And so he's like it was like this whole thing, but it was just like things like that that would happen. But the other thing too was I was so overwhelmed the whole time.


Like, I was just so stressed out because I feel like everyone there is like really tense and like stress too. So you take a bunch of people who are all stressed and put them in one like space. Like, that's just not productive.


Like, no, it's it's a lot of stressful energy. And you you can find it's just bouncing off the wall.


So everyone's just stressed. And then there's like media days in the village. So like the media's talking to, like all these other stressed people. And I'm getting asked about these really dumb questions, like about the village, like you probably like, you know, welcome to professional sports.


Oh, my God. I was like walking to my apartment and someone one of the media, they asked me, they were like like sucking a cut out of this, like an appropriate but like this story will let you if you don't want to talk, you can tell me which she goes.


Is it true that, like, you guys are having a bunch of orgies in the Olympic village? That's the question everyone always asks. Like every Olympics, it's like is it always that everyone always talks about that? And my first one, because I was like, because it's soccer, we don't stay in the village until the final, typically, unless you, like, play at that venue. But we play all over the host country. So you hear all these stories and then we go into the village.


And I was like, people make these stories up and they give their imaginations run wild. That's like what happens in the village, like when you're done playing or, you know, competing, it is a party, but at least we want it to be. And you're eighteen getting asked this question. Yeah, I know. I was 17 at the time. I was like, so what do you say?


There's like, I don't know, like I was like, I don't think so forth. I don't know. It's like.


So did you not realize about what it was gonna be like? See, here's the thing. I think a lot of people prepared me for it because I have friends that like one and I had friends that got the full experience, too. And they're like, you know, prepped me for it. But I don't think their experience was like at the country of their parents. I try to do it like it is a completely different, different narrative. Yeah.


And so I kind of went in with these expectations are just so naive. And then all of a sudden I get there and it just blows up in my face. Oh my God. Okay, so that's like regroup. I do like map out a schedule. Like figure it out. Yeah. So what did you do to try to handle like all that stress and being overwhelmed and feeling like you had no privacy and were constantly being bombarded by people that should have just been there to like help out essentially.


Kelly, my room had heated floors.


So did you lie on it? So I literally open the windows like negative 10 degrees everyday. Open the window would just sleep on my heated floor. Just I was a calming, but it was like the best.


Like, honestly, like I the outdoors outside of my room was scary. Like in my room, I was, like, stoked. I would watch that Slick's. Yeah. Because, like, the Netflix in Korea was like fire. I was just watching Netflix catching up on seasons that didn't exist in the US. I was just like having a grand old time. And then I got off to go practice and. Yeah, because that's important I guess.


But that wasn't the case. I'd go straight back to my room and just hang out. So you hold up. Yeah, but it was a good experience. I feel like there are definitely some curveballs there on my way. But other than that, it was cool. Yeah. Then the aftermath was insane. Yeah, I know.


Full before the aftermath, I don't talk about what led to the aftermath. What was your performance in the half pipe you won before you were even done? You basically got a victory lap on the half pipe, which not every person gets to do so. And you famously tweeted right before your your final run, which, like everyone loved to talk about it and I thought was so funny. And I remember watching watching you compete. And it was you were just like so pure electric.


When you're like when you're out there performing. It's incredible. So you're overwhelmed. But you show up for finals day. You crush your first run. You go into your second run knowing you're gonna win an Olympic gold medal. How do you feel at that point? You know, I said like, it was pretty hectic, like outside like at the village and stuff and just life. When I was in, you know, in my room, the other place I was, my comfort zone was, you know, the half pipe kids that I knew.


And like, I felt safe there. And it was only people I knew that were in that area. And so for me, like, I was, like, stoked to be there. And when you know that it was like great conditions, the pipe was perfect. Like, it was probably the best half pipe I've ridden till now, like, honestly. And so when I was competing, you know, you're kind of at the point where you're like, all right, I'm here, you know, here we are, whatever.


Let's do our best. Like, it is what it is. Type deal. I landed my first run. It's like, cool. That's like a good start. I have a solid score on the board right now that hopefully this means I get a medal at least. Yeah. So does not really like when you have like a 90 ish like it usually means you're going to end up on the podium unless like some craziness happens where everyone's getting 90s, which does happen a lot too.


But a lot of times if you get a nine, you're like pretty's you can be confident about it. And then I was like, all right. So the first run on us is like something I call a safety run. So it's a run that I'm really comfortable doing that score as well. And so I was stoked. I landed that and then my second and I was like, I'm mean, try to do the back to back ten eighties because that's like my heart run that I have planned for most contests.


Yeah. Try to my second run fell over whatever. But I noticed that I don't really like look at the scores or like how I was doing. So I just, I don't want to look at it like I'm scared. So that's I ended up tweeting because I just didn't want to like look at how I was doing.


No way. I'm not going to like here's the thing. What if I would keep looking at it? And then I got bumped down to like Fifth as one of those days I'm going to be stressed. So I'm like, I can't even go home with a medal. Like, that's crazy. So if I keep looking at it, I'm just gonna get anxiety. Yeah. Like, I didn't like I was just on Twitter looking at means.


So the Twitter was to keep you from freaking out with a lot of people would think that Twitter like breacher focus. But that was the opposite for you. You're looking for something to take your mind off it. Yeah, like I was just like on my phone, just like hanging out, tweeting me, talking about my feelings because, you know, Twitter is like tweet, tweet. You're feeling good something or how you feel today. I was like, well, thank you for asking.


I'm like hungry. And I don't I just didn't expect that to happen. Also, I hadn't really used Twitter before, so it's like really new to it. And I was like very excited.


And I was like tweeting like, tell you about my feelings. I was like texting my friends, calling my mom, who has a bottom of the pipe, like about to cry because she's like, so nervous. And she says, I my mom told me she can only talk to me anymore because she was too nervous. I was like, I'm the one competing. Why are you more nervous? Like, talk to me?


But yeah, it was a vibe. So for the four people who are listening that don't maybe know how it works, you get three runs or four runs. We get three. Yeah. So you had your safety run. You fell on your second run. But going into your third, did you know that you won gold already or had you locked did you take a peek? There's like the athlete ten and then there's a little computers that are at the end of the ten that just tell you the score.


It's like no video, no nothing. It's just the scores that's like. Other side, and it was a cold, so I was like, no, I'm just gonna hang up the heaters. A lot of the coaches are outstanding up front trying to look at the scores to see how their athletes are doing. So, like, whatever. And then it was like my turn. Like, there's people that come in and grab you, like rally the next three people.


Like, someone came and grabbed me and I was like, okay, cool. Right? When you're about to like go into the other tent, we're like the start gate. Essentially there's like a screen. And it's like a lives feed of the contest. And like the rankings.


And I was like, oh, I'm so white. So then I was like, all right, cool. Like, that's dope. And then there were like three girls in front of me. So at that point, I'm like kind of holding my breath. Yeah. I'm like, come on. Yeah. Yeah. You can make those really chill for me, like, really hard for me. So then I go.


And then like it was like chill stone first, stone first, stone first. And then the girl that went right before me like fell on our last hit and I was like. Oh, OK. Like, I won. Like what? So I'm like holding tears back in my God.


But like before I go, you're going to go down, Darren.


Wow. But it was just like it was such a crazy moment. I think like because I think I. The whole time I just thought of it slightly jokingly because I was just thinking about how hard I worked for this one contest. And it kind of made me realize that, like, yes, that's important. But also, it's really dumb at the same time. Like, they. Sure. Yeah. Like, I need to think big picture.


Like, I need to enjoy every moment, moment of my life instead of dedicating every important moment of my life to another moment in time.


So true. So that was just like funny to me. I think I really realized that when I got there because I just got something completely different than what I was anticipating for sure. When I got there and I was like, so stoked and like tears or just sweating my eyes. And I was like, I know. Like, I got to try this because, like, that's no fun. Like, I only get this platform once, you know, more than once.


But I got to wait for more years to get it again.


So I went and landed it and then I became the first woman to do. Back to Bakhtin 80s at the Olympics. And then I was the youngest female snowboarder to win the Olympics.


And crazy to say critical. Do you think that knowing that you had already won gold made you go for the back to back to Haiti, or do you think you would have done it regardless?


I would have done it regardless, right? I always do. If you run. So the first thing I do is always just like something easy that I know I'm going to land. Like, I need percent of the time. And then I have like a always like a fun run lined up that I like to try. That's always more intense and like weren't difficult, but yeah.


That's awesome. OK. So aftermath of the Olympics. You said it was crazy. You're still stressed over it.


I like having nightmares about it. Why? What happened?


Picture this. You get your medal is stoked. Yeah. You have like a cute little word. Oh, yeah, a little like prize they give. Yeah. The little thing. So it's the whatever the little mascot is such a soha wrong or something, you know.


And, you know, they played the national anthem. Lot of cameras, a lot of yelling like everyone chanting USA, USA, awesome stuff. Like Best Moment. And then I see my family like for like 30 seconds because everyone's pulling you in different directions. Yeah. See, my family briefly and my mom's like crying. My sisters crying. Everyone's crying and I'm crying and I'm like, so happy. And then after the cute little ceremony. My family and I go to doping and there are people who don't know.


Doping is where you get tested or tested. Illegal substances, which. Yeah. So part of the process. Right. You have someone, like, staring at your area, which is like really, really disturbing.


Was that your first time being part of doping? No. I was done before. The first time though, it took me seven hours to pee. Oh. Right at my house for seven hours. I would need to drink water. I was nervous.


Like I was shy. I was 13.


I shot her 13 year ha. Yeah.


Now I'm like, now I let it loose. I don't like normal. You're doping with your family. But this doping situation in particular, there were like hundreds of people chasing my family and I to doping. So it's all like photographers, people bumping into one another. I have like six security guards surrounding me, like keeping me protected like everyone. Things moving fast. Like, I'm like getting kind of like overwhelmed and like anxious and claustrophobic while everyone's, like, really excited for me.


And, like, happy is like a lot of emotion. So we get into doping and I pee. I'm like, really happy. And like, send everything away. And I just sit there for like 20 minutes cause I know as soon as I go outside, it's gonna be really great. You're good. So I'm just sitting there catching up with my family, talking about, like, how cool I was and how fun that is and how we we did it and all of that.


And I go outside and it's just like people chasing me. And honestly, I don't remember what happens next because it was just like so overwhelming, like, you know how it is. Like everyone's just screaming your name, everyone's running after you. Like grabbing you, like pulling you. Left and right. Like you're just looking for a familiar face to go and hang out with because you're just scared. From there on, it was crazy. Like I had to go back to my village and like pack everything in my room, which was a lot of stuff because, you know, they give you so much stuff for the Olympics.


Yeah. So I had to pack all of that, like my snowboards, like everything like and go to the other village to do all the press stuff. And then, like, I had to change outfits for like the podium later that night. And they bring all of that stuff. My mom had to help me pack everything. I definitely lost a few bags on the way because it was just like so much was happening. And then we got two awards and I was just doing interviews to like 3:00 in the morning.


It was insane. So looking at the next Olympics, are you wanting to win because you know that all of that comes with it or you kind of like. I don't need to do that again. I would love to win again.


I think I'm going to be better at hiding, huh? Makes sense. I think, like now I know where they could potentially be like because I think I had like, the worst case scenario, like the craziest scenario possible. I think I got it my first time for sure. Don't expect that to happen every single time. You know, I think that's a good thing because I, like, got that out of the way. And now hopefully it'll be like a chill experience from here on out.


Yeah, but honestly, I always feel like I say, oh, my God, that was so crazy.


Oh, my gosh. I don't know if I can do that again. That is really cool. Just like getting everyone's support. And like, everyone was so stoked for me and having, like, my family there, my grandma watched me compete for the first time, like just like things like that that I thought were really special. All happened at that moment in time. So, you know, it was a really special.


Yeah. Those moment that it is special, but people don't realize like as hyped as an excited as you are. There's so many other emotions going on inside of you and like around you that make it a very unique and different extreme that no one would. You don't know until you're in it. Yes. I think what I took away from it, it's more like you work for something so hard, like it's something that you're told to do. Well, I like you want to win the Olympics ideally.


Like, that's something I was told by everyone, really. And then it happens. And then you're like, stoked that happened. But then you're doing all of these other things. I didn't really see my family till like two days after I won because of all the stuff I was doing. So in a sense, it's kind of sad because he can't celebrate that really special moment with the people you love. Instead, you doing what everyone else kind of wants you to do and need you to do at the moment.


So it's so true. Speaking of spending time and celebrate with your family, what did your gold medal mean to your dad who was so happy?


He called me his American dream to cry. That is the sweetest thing. I mean, it's true. That's like think about it. Yeah, I've been everything about your story is just amazing how he was loved. I know. Like, my dad was like I think he was just so proud in a sense of himself, too. My dad sacrificed so much like he went bankrupt multiple times. We had to sell houses like get rid of houses, move multiple times because like what I was doing was so expensive.


But he wanted me to do what I loved and saw that I was passionate about something which was really important to him. And he was full on willing to support my something that I loved and like just seeing and knowing that that all paid off for him. I'm sure it was just insane. And he's just so grateful. He was he did that and happy he did it because there were so many times or we had doubts, like even I had doubts.


Like, I don't know if I can do this. Like, this is so hard. Like, I'm tired. I miss my mom. I miss my friends. But then it all paid off.


I did it all worked up, which is pretty incredible. So you have the overwhelming aftermath. You come back to the states and but you still chose to compete. Following the Olympics, did you take some time off? Did you have the post Olympic depression or are you really excited to be done with it and like actually feel energized afterwards? I was really excited to get back to it because I was so much stuff. The other thing is the year before the Olympics, I didn't really push myself.


So when I was 16, I didn't push myself because I want to stick with what I knew just so I could not get injured. And so I really wanted to do a lot of things, but I stopped myself from doing that. And just to be like smart, like I didn't need to be doing risky things when I didn't necessarily need to. No one was doing anything. So when I was done, I was like, nice. So now if I get her, I got four years to show, like, I can recover in four years.


So I like Wednesday backing to tried to learn a bunch of tricks and then yeah, I was like, I just love to be back suppost Olympics.


Like you said, you you were excited because you kind of like chilled going into Olympics not to get hurt, do anything crazy so that you could perform like you wanted to. But then after the Olympics, you're the first woman to land. And I can't even repeat it because there's so many numbers and words in it, a trick that no other woman had landed yet. So, yes. How did that happen? So I was the first woman's Alanah friend.


I was ten. And that was a check I was talking about earlier, like in Switzerland. But it's kind of like a trick that a lot of the guys, like all guys, do it and just don't really see a lot of women doing it. And so I was really comfortable with the setup. That's like the one before. So I was doing a Crippler seven, which is like the single version of it. And there's like, I really want to try this.


So I went and tried it without an airbag and like fell on my head and I was like, oh my gosh, scary. And then I went back and tried it again and I got it around and after. Few days I was able to land them. That's insane. So it's a type of thing where you see a trick or you're like, oh, I haven't tried that yet. I think I can do it. I'm going to try it.


Yeah, like, I have a lot of tricks like that lined up in my head right now that I was so excited to go try. So I just need snow. An open resort.


That's awesome. You still have that love even after going through the craziness that was the Olympics. And it is cool that you have the ability to start, you know, focus on the next four years. Yeah. But since then, you've now you're going to Princeton, your road. You went you got in. You went in last year. Freshman year was last year. How is that transition to college.


And I guess I didn't necessarily lie about loving snowboarding as much as I did when I came back, but it was more so it was just it was getting really repetitive for me, just like competing. Traveling the same people all the time. Always. Like, no new faces, nothing. And mind you, like the people are always surrounding myself with. I knew since I was like a child like seven, we all grew up together. We all competed against each other at a young age, though, like everyone I knew, I knew for a long time.


And I just felt I was getting nervous in a sense. I thought I needed to experience more and I really wanted to experience school. And I got into a really great school and I just thought I'd be a perfect opportunity because I also had broken my ankle. The season after the Olympics, I was like, I'm going to let this heal while I go to school. Like, it will be really good experience for me to change this. Change it up a bit different scenery.


Meet new people with different backgrounds and life experiences. I think I could learn a lot and I did. I have like so many amazing new friends. My best friend right now is from Alabama and she has like owns a cow farm. Yeah. Like she's always going to cow sales. And it's just like I can't find that in snowboarding. I can't find someone from Alabama that has a cow farm, only five cows. I've never heard of that before.


Or I'll just like meet a bunch of people from different background to different places that I didn't even know of. It's just really, really like now I'm really grateful. Happy I did that. I learned for sure. That's awesome. That's something you should be very proud of. His Princeton's not about school to go to. Are you going to compete while you're in school or are you just going to for four years going to focus? You're going to try to split it up.


What's your plan?


So I actually just did it for a year. I got a leave of absence, so I will be able to compete fully. That's coming. See, hopefully that happens if covered isn't around anymore, I hope. Yeah. But if you know it happens and I'll be able to compete full time, I'll be able to you know, right now I'm working on dry land training, getting my body back into snowboarding shape. Know after that freshman fifteen.


But yeah, I'm just, you know, really excited to get back. And I think the break was really good because I'm super excited to get back in contests and start competing again and seeing everyone again. I just think I'm kind of bored for a bit, just like needed to switch it up for sure. I think that happens to most people and I think is very mature of you for being able to recognize that and find a way to, like, revitalise yourself and be excited about it, because you obviously, I assume, want to go and do many more things in snowboarding.


But that leads us to our last couple of questions. So we do these repeat questions for everybody. So there's two. So the first one is how much of your success is luck versus hard work? I think that there are certain things that. I consider look at some weather and my sport, it's weather and conditions. Honestly, everything else that comes with it comes is like hard work, like I even if it's snowing out and windy. I need to work hard in those conditions just in case there's a contest that are going to be under those conditions.


They need to know how to do that. And learning how to do that is not easy and it's a lot of hard work. But then I guess there is like like sometimes I get really lucky when I don't fall, when I definitely should have fallen version of it. All right. So percentage. What would you say? I would say like. Can I say like thirty five percent, like sixty five percent, hard work. Cakehole. All right.


You've done so much in your first 20 years. What do the next 20 look like?


I want a family. I like that. It's awesome. I know I would love to be like a young mom, like not now, but like like ideally like within the next ten years. Like, I would love to, like, start a family. And so I would be so fun. But then again, who knows, maybe I'll be like a professional snowboarder till I'm like 40. Like, who knows? I don't know what's going to happen.


So that's also where luck comes in place. It was like. Which way will my life, you know, decide to go? I'm really excited. But in 20 years, I'm going to be 40. Like, I make fun of my sister for being 35. And like the thought of me being 40. So scary because I'm used to being the baby.


Yeah. You'll still be the baby at 40. But everyone else, just few much older. There's just more. There's gonna be more babies, you know. That is true. That is true.


You will no longer be the actual baby. Well, whatever your next 20 years look like, it sounds like they're going to be pretty awesome. You've done so much already, so you should be very proud of yourself. And I'm excited to watch you because I've already enjoyed what you've done so far. And again, I feel like you're gonna do so much more.


So sweet. Well, thank you so much. This is awesome. I hope you enjoyed it. I really enjoyed chatting with you today.


So fun. Thanks for having me. Of course, you'll have to come out to a game.


I want to play you. I'll measure you after that.


I would love to. Definitely. Yeah. And then you can go snowboarding sometime in the future. Oh, my gosh. Any time you just let me know. I'm happy to take you.


I love Tilburg. And you don't understand. Like, I'm. I can't wait. I mean, I can wait till I'm retired from soccer, but I'm. I can't wait to retire because I'm so bored. I'm gonna serve all the time.


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