I know in fashion, you've got to be able to let it go and not take it personal, right?

It's beyond not taking it personal. It's understanding what the marketplace needs.

As humans, what were some of the mental risks that you had to overcome to say, Yeah, we can do it?

Well, I mean, you're putting yourself out there for everybody. That's not easy. We've done a lot of reality shows. We did Bravo, we did E, we did Lifetime, we did a whole bunch of shows. But you're literally opening your door, your life to everybody to see.

So how did you two come together? How did you both meet?

It was a dark alley one night. There was a Benjamin involved.

A couple of interviews. He was doing a drive by.

I said, Bitch, step aside. That's my man.

My man. People are going to believe it.

What's the key to keeping it all successful and to not let it intermix with home life, too?

We don't have an option. Sorry. It's either my way or the fucking highway. So take a pick. So you want to be on the highway? Go for it.

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Buckle up. Here's Mic. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Mic Unplug, and today we're going to have some fun. When it comes to innovation, vision, and taking bold steps into the future, today's guests don't just walk the walk. They redefine it. They're trailblazers, game changers, and powerhouses who lead with passion, precision, creating a rippling effect of inspiration wherever they go. They're revolutionizing, they're empowering, they're inspiring, they're unapologetic, and they're unstable. Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming the dynamic trio of Patrick, Paul, and Ms. Snow White.

Wow, what an introduction. There we go. I want to clap for me.

Wait, I'm curious who's going to come on now because I'm very excited about wanting to listen to all the guys that you just described. They sound like a big deal.

I was talking about Snow White, and Snow White said, Hey, they're with me, too. So can you introduce them as well?

That bitch gets all the invites. We're the plus twos.

Awesome, awesome, awesome. So Patrick, we were talking a little bit offline, and I told you how I'm a huge fan of the work that you both do, the three of you do, because it's not just about being out there and just doing, these are the words of Mick and Mick only, things to get attention. You really do empower. You really do come from a background. You really do give inspiration to people. And so I'd love to just take a couple of minutes from each of you and talk about your background, how you got to where you are today. And more importantly, because on Mick Unplug, we talk about your because, that thing that's deeper than your why, that purpose, that mission. What's your because today?

Well, when it comes to fashion, since I was 12 years old, it was something that I've always wanted to do. But it's been very challenging because coming from a background being Romanian, a transplant into the country when I was six years old and not being able to have the versatility to have the exposure and my family understanding what I really wanted to do. They kept saying that it's an impossibility because I needed to do something that was more relatable to what they understood. Not what I figured out that was my calling, that I wanted to be a part of, the world of. And getting beaten up and telling me that I'm not good enough and I'm never going to be successful, I thought to myself, well, wait a minute, did you not bring us to America for all those opportunities? Now I want that opportunity. How is it that you took me out of my little village and then brought me all the way here, and now you're telling me I can't do it? Well, if I couldn't do it, you should have just kept me where I was, because now that I'm here, I got to figure out how to do it.

If you can't help me how to figure it out, I guess I'm going to have to do the heavy lifting on that part, too. I just started embarking on the journey of wanting to be a fashion designer. After 35 years of being in Beverly Hills, I'm still trying to figure out how to be a fashion designer. I mean, I've had my boutique for 35 years, and a lot of people ask me, Have you found success? Do you feel like you know what success is? And I wonder if I've ever wanted the success in the capacity that they're asking me to question in, because I think the success was when I decided what I wanted to do when I was 12 and embarking on the journey to be able to see my dreams come true in the capacity that I have. Am I successful? In a lot of ways, yes. Do I find that I'm at my success level? Probably not because there's so much more to do. There's so much more you uncovered. There's so much more that you inspire yourself to want to do. Then, of course, knowing how fast fashion changes and keeping up with the trends, the colors, the styles, the fit, and being a world renowned, there's so many different markets that you have to tap into, you're thinking to yourself, this can't be it.

There's more. Then every day you wake up, you're excited to have to do it again. That's the journey that I'm still on. Having a boutique, a flagship store in Beverly Hills at Rodeo Drive for over 35 years, tells me that I've been doing it okay, but now I got to step it up and do a little better.

Patrick, before you go, there's something that I want to address of what Paul said. I've got a friend that is in fashion, and she laughs when everyone talks about all the changes of AI and technology. A year ago, she Paul said to me, If you think this is crazy, try being in the fashion industry. If you want to see change in the rapid pace of change, be in the fashion industry because what was hot five minutes ago is so outdated. No one ever wants to be seen in it again or You could have a model wear something and it looks so awful, but you spent years building it for that model, and then they finally put it on, and it's the worst thing ever, and then you're starting from scratch. I resonate with what you just said, Paul, because, again, we look at to change. Where I'm going to say you've succeeded and been very successful is not how you've adopted to change, but how you were the leader in making change happen. That takes a visionary to be able to do that, because some people hold on to their beliefs or some people hold on to that thing.

I know in fashion, you've got to be able to let it go and not take it personal, right?

It's beyond not taking it personal. It's understanding what the marketplace needs and where they're in order for you to be able to provide something that they're going to be excited about to have to put together for them. In the different markets that we have internationally, around the world, there's so much that we have access to, especially with the Internet, especially with all the tools that we have available to ourselves now. It's become even more versed. If you don't keep up, you you fall off the face. You need to be able to make yourself relevant. One of the reasons why I started teaching, because I teach high school.

Fashion.

One of the reasons why I started teaching is because I never had that growing up. I thought, great. Well, if you can't figure it out in high school because they give you all the academics, how do you know what you want to do when you get to college and you're wasting another two years trying to figure out what it is that you're calling it? In high school, we created a whole fashion program where then you're able to at least see because there's so many facets to fashion. There's a business angle, there's the marketing, there's the design, there's the production. There's so many different... Any one of those businesses can stand on their own entity. It's not just fashion-related, it's the computerization, it's the It's the marketing, it's the social media, it's the advertising, it's the collection, it's the grading. There's so many.

I thought, great.

You want to be a business person, why don't you run a fashion conglomerate? If you want to be a social media expert, then why don't you do social media for a fashion brand or start one? If you're going to do designing, you could design architecture, do an entire building alongside the construction on a body. It's the same thing when you're doing on soil, the other one you're doing on a human figure. Having all those facets to an industry that's one of the biggest in the world, there's so many different places that when you're in high school, you've got the versatility to be able to go, Oh, my God, I had no idea I could do that. I thought fashion was just you design clothes. I don't want to be a designer, but I'm really good at marketing. I can take what their vision is, what the brand is, and give it exposure that it really needs. By the time you get to college, and a lot of kids don't want to go to college these days because they've already started a business when they're 15. They started a business when they're 14 online. They're not looking in college to get a diploma to be able to get a job at a firm.

They've got platforms online that they can sell, they can They can make, they can swap. There's so many different ways. They can trade, so many different things. I'm like, Absolutely. What a great opportunity that I never had growing up until I got to college to figure out that I need to learn, get a degree, and then go get a job, versus what technology is now offering the youth, how they can take advantage of being able to know to do it and not just wait for the opportunity to bring it. Absolutely. Create your own and start it how you do. That's one of the reasons why I feel like giving back to that a community and then being in the... I find success in that. I find that I'm able to then nurture a generation of youth that never had the opportunity or wouldn't even think that it is possible the way they never told me that it was for me when I was growing up.

Totally agree. I have Patrick, it's your turn.

Okay. I always loved entertainment. I always loved television movies, entertainment. When I was a kid, it was really interesting. Before the VCR, I would tape record television programs and then listen back to them. One of my favorite things, Battlestar Galactica. I mean, the original Battlestar Galactica, which was this Sci-Fi show, I would record it on an audio recorder because we didn't have a VCR back then. Then when, of course, we got the VCR, I started recording all of these shows. He's taking Snow White out. I started recording all of these shows. Then my mother, she got me into soaps. Her soap was Days of Our Lives. I would record days every day, watch it with my mom. It's a really bonding moment for us. But it was really interesting because when I was recording all these TV shows and these movies, and they would come out and watch them on video and whatnot. I was always looking at the bigger picture of the TV show or the bigger picture of the movie, how the sets looked, how the costumes looked, how the actors interacted with each other. It was always fascinating to me, and I always loved it.

I always knew I wanted to be in television, in film, either behind the scenes, in the scene, all of it. I wanted to be an when I was a kid. Then I got sidetracked to modeling, and I modeled in Europe, in New York, in Japan. I was a Versace model. I did stuff for Janara, which nobody even knows that brand anymore. Gucci, this was many years ago. I just loved it. I loved being in front of people and talking to people and interacting with people. Then from there, I went to being a casting director and managing people and working on other people's careers. I did that for many, many, many years in casting and production. I always loved the whole big picture of putting it together. When we decided Our TV show, Gowning Out in Beverly Hills, which is on Prime Video, started as a YouTube show. Basically, started with us picking up the iPhones and filming the fittings because we had all this crazy stuff going on in the boutique. Then from there, it went to Amazon. Now, it's in 60 countries. It's on Amazon, it's on Prime, Roku, Tubi, Plex. We just got a licensing deal that they are now going to split all four seasons of our show up into mini episodes for Moby.

I think it is Moby, I believe, is what it is. You can watch your phone or whatever. That was That's cool. I take part of every aspect of it. Not am I just on camera with it, but I'm also making the notes for the editors. Whatever, I'm structuring the episodes, putting it all together. I'm doing a whole creative aspect of it behind the scenes, which is why we won the American Reality TV Award. Last year, we won four tele awards. Season 5 is coming out, probably in about a month. Then we'll be submitting for all the award seasons again. The next big project we're working on is where we want to turn our book, Anna Nicole Smith, Portrait of an Icon, into a movie so we can tell the story of Anna Nicole's life. I think from a child, I always loved the fascination of storytelling. Back then, it was only scripted. There was no unscripted. Matter of fact, we were on one of the first unscripted reality shows, The Anne and Nicole Show. If you remember, there was only Real World on MTV. There was The Osborns, I think was on MTV, and then The Anne and Nicole Show on E.

Those were the three only reality shows, and we were on The Out of the Cold Show. It just continued my fascination with the love of television and TV. It's really funny because half the people we watched on days of our lives and all these TV shows, they're all our friends now. We're friends with half of them. It's a great community that we built here in Beverly Hills. I love it, and I love what I do. I think when you said the because, the because is because I can and I will. Because my motto has always been, I will not let someone stop me or say no. If they can't produce my show, then I'm going to pick up cameras, pull team together, and produce my show myself. That's how I started Gown & Out.

I love it, man. So let's go to Gown & Out and the decision to do that as your own, not a part of someone else's show, but this is really your show now. What was the decision going into that? And as humans, what were some of the mental risks that you had to overcome to say, Yeah, we can do it?

Well, I mean, you're putting yourself out there for everybody. That's not easy. We've We've done a lot of reality shows. We did Bravo, we did E, we did Lifetime, we did a whole bunch of shows. But you're literally opening your door, your life to everybody to see. Some people are going to judge you for it. Some people aren't, but you've got the trolls. We judge back. We do.

There you go.

The Redboy Rundown. I think that the decision was that so much crazy stuff was going on in this boutique and in our lives that we had to put it out there. We're actually going to do a reality show that Anna Nicole was going to produce before she died. We had been talking to her about doing a television show, reality show. We created a show called Designer Family, about two gay men raising a teenage daughter in Beverly Hills. It didn't get picked up because America, 16 years ago, was not ready for two gay men on... Can you believe that? They were not ready for two gay men on TV. Raising a teenage daughter.

Are they ever going to be ready for somebody like me?

Probably not. Paul, no one's ever ready for you. No one's ever ready for you.

That's what I figure. She's the reason. That's what I figure.

He's the reason.

Yeah.

But then just so many crazy things are happening in the boutique. One time we had a bride. He was doing a fainting bride. She came in and she fainted, fell straight back on her head. We thought she cracked her head open. It's crazy. Betty White came in. We almost killed Betty White because she was bleeding. Then she was on Cumidin because she was scratching her pins on the dress when he was pinning her. All this stuff just kept happening and we were like, Okay, this has got to be a show. So we just picked up the iPhone.

Nobody died while I was making a gown for them.

That you know of. Correct. That you know of.

No, I know for sure. They have been buried in my gown, yes, after they passed away. But they never died first while I was making it.

No, but you've had a lot of first. I mean, he had the very first awards gown for Bella Thorne. She was nominated young artist award You know what the Young Artist Awards are? The Oscars. He did her very first red carpet gown for the Youth Oscars. I mean, you've had a lot of first. Annie Nicole is buried in his gown. Your gown's on the First Ladies.

It travels the First Lady Museum across the country and the capitals of the United States of America. I'm the second designer and the only Romanian to be inducted in American history as one of the premier designers that have dressed the First Lady that then is in the museum, the First Lady. You can go to Sacramento. I need to update my bio and my picture, probably there. It's been a minute.

Probably. There, though, I'll just snap that one. How about that?

They had a beautiful ceremony, and they gave him the governor's pen?

The pen that we signed the declaration, donating it to the museum. It was very cool. Very cool. Yeah, it was a big moment for me because I thought, great. Here you go doing first ladies to doing Anna Nicole Smith. You go from one spectrum to the other. When people were asking me, Oh, you're doing this you're doing that, I go, But they're all women. They're beautiful women. I'm a designer. I dress women. Regardless of what you think of that person or the persona that they identify on television or in the media, they're still a beautiful woman.

I'll tell you, last week, he did a gown for Kylie sky, an adult female performer in adult X-rated movies for the AVN Awards. She was the best, most beautiful at the awardshow, and she thanked us. Yes, she could have been at the Academy Awards.

You'd never thought she was a porn star.

What a porn star. Adult entertainment.

Adult entertainment.

Get them right over there, Patricia. Get them right.

Here's the thing. She's a beautiful person. She's a beautiful woman. What she does for a career, what she's good at or what she's known for, we all aspire to be attached to something. As long as you're healthy and doing it in the right way or that suits you, I think you should be allowed to be able to do what you like. But I'm a designer. When people say, Oh, you can't do that person, I'm like, Why? That's what they said to me, You can never be a designer. I'm like, Why? When you ask why, I'm like, But it doesn't make sense. Somebody else could do it.

Why couldn't I do it? Listen, during COVID, our political views are not really... We don't go into that. But it doesn't matter on political views. During COVID, when Trump was in the White House, we sent a bunch of masks to all the secret Service and all the staff in the White House and to Trump and Melania.

Every single White House staff was wearing my mask.

Yeah.

And he's done a gown for me.

I was around during COVID. Why didn't I get a mask?

I don't know. Yeah, well, Well, somebody didn't call you. When we send out the masks and you could see them in the press room- It's cool. And you see them driving the car or you see them at the residence, they were all masked up at the White House, and they were all the masks that I had created for the entire stuff.

It was actually the American flag.

I had the blue, I had the red, and I had the- They're very cool. Flag.

Then the total opposite is he's done gowns for Hillary Clinton. It's like it doesn't matter, Republican, Democrat, it doesn't matter. He's a designer. It doesn't matter if she is an adult performer or a soap star.

That's how we did it. Do you design socks for Mick Unplug?

You know what? I do want to start a men's brand that does a bow tie, socks, underwear, suspenders, accessories, where if I looked at your suspender, I'd be like, Oh, I know what he's got on underneath, or maybe not.

Do you know what I mean? I'm willing to be the guinea pig. You might not want me as the model, but totally can be the guinea pig. I don't know. We can go- You look hot, so I don't know.

It's funny.

You probably have beautiful toes, too. So here comes only, friends.

Whenever we go on a trip, we go to an island or something.

He makes all my bathing suits and stuff. He makes them out of an Italian Lycra, spandex. Really cool stuff that he's going to turn into a line for next summer that's going to come out.

All right. So one of my best friends, Chris Paradiso, we've got something that you need to make him. I'll tell you offline, but Chris, you know what I'm talking about?

I don't. Yeah, I do. Very cool.

I have no idea.

Good stuff. How did you two come together? How did you both meet?

He was It was a dark alley one night. There was a Benjamin involved.

A couple of interviews. He was doing a drive by.

I said, Bitch, step aside. That's my man. That's my man.

People are going to believe it.

No tequila. I heard the tequila story in the... I'm a huge fan of your podcast. I also heard the naughty yacht story as well, too.

The naughty Cruise.

This is where I find them, honey. This is where I find them. We met in New York.

Can you believe that? We met in New York 21 years ago. July? July 21? July 21, 21 years ago.

We met in New York. I was doing Mercedes Benz Fashion Week at Bryant Park, which is when they used to do it underneath the tent in New York City. It's one of the biggest things ever. We have a mutual friend who's a fashion photographer who happened to that I stayed with while I was in New York at Bryant Park. He said, Oh, great. Let's do the interviews at my studio. It'll get exposure. Why don't we do all the... I'll do some photography for your clothing, the new collection. Then he showed up, and I was like, What?

Okay.

The rest is history.

We've been together ever since, and inseparable. We go everywhere, we travel everywhere. Every year, we pick a brand new country that we haven't been to, and we go there and celebrate New Year's. This year is Amsterdam, right? Amsterdam, Netherlands. Rotterdam. Yeah, Rotterdam, Netherlands this year.

Okay.

So 79 countries in total we've been to.

That's impressive. That's impressive. So for the listeners and viewers, and this isn't a relationship podcast by any stretch of your imagination, but I do think that you have some very cool insights, some very important insights. Partners, spouses that work together, have business ventures together, what's the key to keeping it all successful and to not let it intermix with home life, too? Because that happens. A lot of times we bring work home, but when you are together at work and together at home, it's like, Paul, when you stepped away, Patrick was like, I don't really want to talk to him tonight. So How do you mix that?

I don't have an option. Sorry. I don't have an option. Sorry.

Business at home is good.

It's either my way or the fucking highway. So take a pick. You want to be on the highway? Go for it.

I think we complement one another in different things There's many strengths that I have that he doesn't possess, and there's many strengths that he has that I don't possess. The design aspect, creating, putting all these beautiful gowns together. He does all of that. I can't sell a Can I say fucking? I can't sew a fucking button on- You just did. I can't. He can tell me my necklace, one set of my pearls I broke, and he's like, Oh, I'll fix it. He knows how to string it, fix it. I can't do any of that. He was trying to show me one time how to thread a needle. Number one, I couldn't even see the damn needle. I don't know how he could see to put this little thread inside this little tiny... Impossible. There are things like that that I just cannot do that he does. But then there's things that I do, social media, producing our TV show, putting our show together, marketing it.

Let me clarify. I know how to do all of those things. I choose not to.

You're not into how to do all those things. You're just asking me how to get on Zoom.

Yes, because I said- That's what he said.

He allows you to do those things is what he really said.

I want him to feel needed. Bullshit.

You're not allowed to get on. Okay, we'll go with that. Sure.

He didn't help me get There you go.

You don't even know how to use Frame. Io. I tried to give you an edit to look at. You didn't even know how to log in.

What I mean to say is- But he's a great designer. I know how to do all of it. I want him to feel that he also has tasks and responsibilities that make the machine work so that he feels like he belongs.

I don't need someone to make me feel that way. I know that is the case. Well, It's all good.

Mary's therapy was. Here we go.

I think you and I know the truth at this point.

We have fun. Life is all about having fun, taking on doing new things that you've never done before. I'll give you an example. We went to Peru and we were river rafting in Category 4 and Category 5 rapids in the Urabamba River, in a kayak. Then they They pulled over and they said, Who wants to go up on the bridge? It's a 40-foot bridge.

And jump off.

And jump off into the water.

And then swim to the kayak as they're toeing it in the back of the little Raft. I did.

I did it.

It was fun. I would have been your videographer that day. I would have filmed it for you, but I'm not joining that.

Did you hear how he said he did it?

Okay, you did it with me? He did.

We both did.

Did you want to go first? No way. I convinced him.

He pushed me off.

He was so nervous. But you know what? Those are the crazy things that we do. We have fun. We went to Thailand and we went snorkeling in the middle of this beautiful ocean. I think life is all about experiences and having fun with the person you love and making memories.

That's what we do. You asked, how do you balance work and life and everything together, I think it's because I don't say no. I'm not in this relationship for myself. So I'm not asking for, Oh, here's what I would like to do. Here's what I want for me. Oh, you know I've never done that, and I don't want to. I just know I don't want to. I've never been that person. We always challenge each other. Because I've always been told no, I never say no, because I don't I don't want to ever say no to anyone that I've never experienced something new, and how am I going to know what that is unless I do it? If I did- I love that. Whether I like it or not, and if it's something that makes my partner happy, am I not there 50% to support them in what they are there to do? Because it's their life journey as well. I don't want to impede their life journey just because I have an issue. But why do I have an issue? Maybe because I had a bad experience, because of the person that I was with before or the scenario.

But I feel comfortable knowing that I can trust the person that I'm with isn't going to lead me astray. But also That keeps me confident.

But also, we never let the cameras get in the way. I mean, all these housewives, they break up every time. All these shows, they get on a show, they break up. We don't. We don't let the cameras rule our life and and change things. We know we're there, we're doing fun, and that's it.

I love the insights and everything that you both shared today. Aside from Gounding Out Season 5, right? Gounding Out Beverly Hills Season 5, coming up really soon. We're going to make sure that we send links to that everywhere. What else do you have going on? What else do you want the world to know that you have going on? Aside from making the Mic Unplug, socks and suspenders.

Well, there's some really fun, interesting things coming out on Gowning Out Beverly Hills Season 5. We were the first gay couple in the Middle East to be on the cover of an international magazine.

You shouldn't say gay, same-sex couple.

Why? Oh, same-sex couple. Okay. We were the first same-sex couple to be on the cover of Victor magazine in Dubai. That was making history. We also were a part of 30 Voices, 30 Days with Derek Warberton for his magazine, Gurus magazine. We were the only couple in June on the cover. Those things are going to be coming out on the next season of the show.

Even though other people that were on the cover were coupled, they weren't together. They never did a cover shot because we did a cover shot, and the cover was only a single relationship and not the couple we got. We were the only couple.

Yeah, and Josh Fogal shot us. He was an amazing photographer. That was really awesome.

We actually presented at the-The Guru Awards. First annual Guru Awards, where we gave Josh Fogal the-Lens?

Of Inclusion Award, which was really cool.

And Innovation.

Yeah. Innovation, you're right. That's going to be coming out on the show, too. We host Undressed with Paul and Patrick. It's on Apple, Spotify, and YouTube.

Well, it's everywhere you go. But YouTube is fun because when you get it on YouTube and it's free to subscribe, and what you do is you're actually getting to see the expressions on our friends who are the celebrities that we interview and the crazy stuff that they say because they feel like they're sitting there at home with us hanging out, and it's live.

But not only that, he has a gift of Romanian coffee cup grind He'll read the coffee cup grind of our celebrity guests every week. Now it's open to the public. People want to book a Romanian coffee cup grind reading, they can just go to our website, pull atu. To com, T-O-L-A-T-E-U. Com. They can book a virtual reading with him, and I'm on it as well, or they can book a live reading to come into our boutique.

It's insane that I have a month and a half out waiting of people that are trying to get in to the door. We have bundles, so the minute they're done, they do a bundle so that they can get a link to be able to get to see me every other month. They're canceling their therapy sessions just to be able to hang out with us. It's very cool.

It's very, very cool. It's insane. It's very, very cool. It is cool.

It is cool. I told you that you're one of my top five favorite podcasts that I listen to. My favorite episode is the one with Jody Sweeten because she was my girl back in the day. That's my favorite episode. You did it now. You did it now.

You did the nick Awards. Yeah. So many years ago. Did you then see- 16, right?

Yeah. Did you see them when I read her coffee grounds?

Yeah. Yes.

She's blown away. Was she? Her expression was, What? How do you know this? I'm like, It's in your cup.

No, totally agree.

The crazy thing is everybody from around the world have been booking. Yeah. The time zone doesn't matter. We ship you all the products you need. The one thing that I did say is I want it to be accessible and affordable for everyone to be able to take advantage of and not make it so expensive where people can't have it.

We do coffee reading parties, too. People fly us into their city and we go out there for a couple of days and do a coffee reading party. They'll get a group of friends together and then book to do a coffee reading party at their place. That's pretty fun. It's insane. We've been doing that. It's really, really great. Then, of course, we're on regular co-host on Jeff Lewis Live every week or every other week on Radio Andy, SiriusXM. 102. Yeah, and a lot of fun things coming up. 2025 is going to be really cool.

Plus, we have the boutique, and people are welcome to come in. We get the TMC bus, the Hollywood reporter bus. All of them, they They stop in in front of the boutique. They talk about Anna Nicole, they talk about gowning out, they talk about undressed. Then we're here all the time. We always go out, we do a shout out, we say hello, we take pictures of people that are walking by. It's like home.

We've now delving and dabbling in scripted movies and TV. We just did Emergence 2028. It's coming out next year. I play a gay arms dealer, and he plays my sidekick, Gabriel.

Look at that.

He had to learn lines.

That was not even- Let me tell you, I didn't even audition for it. I just showed up at the party and they said, Oh, my God, he's beautiful. He's perfect for this.

Because that's what you do.

I said, But I'm not here for me. I'm just here supporting my husband in his role. They're like, Okay, would you want to do a role? I said, I don't know about acting.

Let me tell you, I was like, Okay, they always put us together. Every time they book us, book me, oh, they need to bring him. Always together. This one thing I booked by myself, did by myself. He was not with me on it. We went to the event. The showrunners saw him. They're like, Oh, my God, he's perfect for Gabriel. He'll play Gabriel. I'm like, even when I try, I can't get away. So it's okay. This is my life. I love him. I'm here. It's great. So let's go back- We're like the Siamese twins that are not Siamese twins.

So let's go back to, It's either my or the highway because you know you ain't going to be on the highway if I ain't with you. I let him have it. It doesn't work that way.

Then the fucking poster came out and he wasn't on the poster. I was.

All I did was say, You know what? Isn't there a character missing on this poster that occupies such an important space?

Then they got rid of one of the other characters and they put his face.

He's on the fucking poster, too.

Paul, come on now. I mean, I'm crazy. You can let him have just a little bit.

I did. He's in the bottom, in the center. I'm on the top, on the side.

Of course you are. Of course you're on top. Absolutely.

I don't make these decisions. That's the one thing- You influence them, though.

You don't make them.

You influence them. I didn't even try to influence I only want to be the very best version of me every single day and be present to every single thing that we're there for. If I'm that person and people get to notice me, then you know what? I don't want to say no to them when they offer me a role. I don't want to break their hearts and spirit in the direction that they want to take the vision. I'm like, I'm so there. I'm going to support it. I said, I sat on set for 14 hours. For two lines?

For two lines. For two lines that he could not remember. I can't remember. Everybody on the fucking set was telling him his two lines. Do you remember your line?

No. Oh, my God. They wanted to give me more lines. I said, You know what? This is overwhelming. It's a lot. Let's just stay with two lines. I don't want to screw it up.

You really don't know your line? No. That's Cole, one of Skinner's boys.

Yeah, that one.

That was one line.

He can remember his lines and your lines. See, that's talent right there.

Well, that's because he's always wanted to be an actor. He's an actor. I'm not. I just play me all day. Listen, I don't know how to do anything else. I don't know how to be anybody else. I don't even want to try. It's too much to be this. It's a lot. Let me tell you, it's a lot. That is a lot. It's a lot between designing gowns, running the boutique, being a teacher T-shirt, teaching fashion, doing the podcast, having the TV show, Gown and Out, doing the radio show.

We're working on two other TV projects that haven't been announced yet. We'll let you know when they come out. When it's announced.

Doing the coffee reads. I'm the one doing it. Hello? It's a lot.

Are you getting paid?

Huh?

Are you getting compensated?

We don't do anything for free, of course.

I did have a conversation with my boss. I did have a conversation with my boss last night, and it didn't go that well. I'm reconsidering maybe finding another partner in the business for me to meet him on a get.

Shut up.

That'll last all of 10 seconds.

Exactly.

It's all good. I appreciate you both more than you know. I'm going to try and make a trip out to LA, Beverly Hills, late February, early March. So I'm going to come by. We're going to talk about these McUnplug socks. I'm being very serious about McPlugs. I got you.

I got you. Very cool.

I appreciate you both. You both mean the world to me. I will make sure that all of the wonderful things that both of you have going on are listed in the description, the show notes. I'll make sure all my fans, viewers, and followers are connected with you. If there's anything I can do for you, never hesitate to let me know.

Thank you. Mick, can I let people know where to follow us?

Yes, go ahead. Tell us where.

Paul, P-O-L-A-T-T-E-U. All my platforms, please follow me I need me some followers. Just follow me. It doesn't hurt you. It doesn't cost you. So ring my bell, press the subscribe button, or just press the follow button, bitch. Let's go.

I love it. And you can find myself, Patrick Simpson, P-A-T-R-I-K-S-I-M-P-S-O-N on all platforms, verified on all platforms. He is as well. And of course, Snow White, 90210. She's on the platforms as well.

Snow White, 90210, that bitch. That bitch has so many followers.

Again, Paul Patrick, Snow White, love you from my soul. I appreciate you. And for all the listeners and viewers, remember, your because is your superpower. Go unleash it. Thank you for tuning in to Mic Unplug.

Keep pushing your limits, embracing your purpose, and chasing greatness.

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