This is more than reality podcast, where we dive into all things faith, family, and marriage and share that there is so much more than the reality that you see on the surface. Welcome to more than reality with Adam and Danielle Busbee.

Welcome to more than reality podcast with Adam Busby and Danielle Busbye. And so last week, you got to hear a little bit about me and how I grew up. And this week, it's Danielle's turn.

And if you thought Adam's podcast about him went long, this one might be in two forms, two episodes. So last week, we've made our life story up until getting to know Adam and how he grew up. And today we talk about a lot of things that I've never talked about.

This may be, this may be the hardest thing that Danielle's ever filmed just because, I mean, tv is one thing, but I don't know. We never, like, dove in and, like, talked about, like, really, really, like, talked about really, like, personal stuff. If you weren't, if, like, if this wasn't specifically a part of the show, it was never talked about. So, you know, there was a lot of questions over the years. I mean, honestly, our tv show outdaughter was on for a decade.

Oh, that makes me seem old.

Close to a decade. And, I mean, it started at, what, 2015? We started filming in 2014, and it's 2015, 2024 right now. So that's crazy. That is so crazy to think about. Our show was on nearly a decade. Wow. Wow. Okay. And so over the decade, there are so many questions out there about, you know, Danielle's past and family and that kind of stuff that we just never really felt the need to talk about. But, but this is the platform where, you know, we want to open up and show you, you know, peel back the layers is what we've been saying this whole time is we want to peel back the layers. We want you to fully understand who we are so that we kind of build a rapport with you guys. We kind of build a bit of credibility with you guys so that you have a little bit more understanding of who we are and why we do things, why that we've made decisions that we've made. In order to do that, you just kind of have to know who, like, backstory and past and how we were brought up and, you know, the earlier days, like kids and fun stuff, the hard stuff.

I mean, I said probably a couple things past episodes that probably make my mom cringe, but have you heard from your mom? She hasn't heard. We haven't released those episodes yet.

Oh, yeah. Okay. We'll follow up on that, though.

One thing that we do want to do is we want to. We want to give you guys the opportunity to be a little bit more involved in the show, in the podcast. And so I'm actually, I've actually been researching some different platforms where you guys can call in and leave, like, a voicemail or just like, a voice memo. So if we're going to ask some questions, we may post some questions on social media, and you guys can share your own stories, whether it be funny stories or serious stories or whatever we may be talking about in a week. And then we may possibly use those stories and play those on the air and talk back and forth and banter about it. And so you guys can actually be a part of our show. And so I think that's going to be something really cool that'll come up. One thing about more than reality podcasts, we want to convey to our viewers that everybody has a story. Everybody has a story to tell. You have life experiences. We have life experiences that we've gone through that we can all learn from. And good, bad, ugly, like, we all have a story to tell that we can all learn from.

And so if we can help you guys, you know, and even give a platform to you guys so that you can share your own stuff, this may be the place for it. So that's something that we're going to be doing here pretty soon and just be looking out, like, on social media. Follow Danielle and my social media. We have a more than reality podcast, Instagram, TikTok. We actually have a TikTok. Did you know that?

I did not.

We have a TikTok. We have posted, like, three things on TikTok. It's pretty much all the same stuff we post on Instagram, but we have a TikTok. And then we post to, like, YouTube stories and stuff like that. Yeah, we're trying to get on all the things so that you can keep up with this everywhere.

All the things.

So now give me a good intro. Okay.

You're like, oh, gosh.

Okay. I feel like the best intro for you. Should we pray about it?

Sure. That's good.

Okay, we're gonna pray.

Okay.

Dear heavenly father, I just. I thank you for giving us this platform, giving us a story to tell that other people can learn from, where we can share your love and your joy and your grace to other people. Father, so many of the things that, you know, I know. We're going to be talking about in future podcasts. This podcast down the road we may be bringing up past hurts, hard things that may we not. We may just not be quite ready to talk about, or we're just unsure of how to navigate these things, father and I pray for Danielle right now as she opens up and probably says some stuff that she's never said to anyone else out loud. But I pray that you would just. You would just speak through her and you would give her the words to say and let her just feel your touch and your presence and just be in this room with us as we navigate our past. And thank you. In your name, amen.

Amen.

Was that a good intro?

Yeah.

Were you surprised by that?

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. One needed. Yeah, I have my tissues only because, like, my nose is running.

Better catch it.

Hey, that's what Uncle Freddie always said. Dad jokes. Sorry if you're watching this with my tissue.

I think it's funny, like, sometimes whenever I'm.

This cord gets on my nerves whenever.

I'm, like, working on, like, micro content and doing, like, chopping up stuff for social media. And it may do, like, a split view. And it's like, when I'm talking, you're like, half the time you're, like, rubbing your nose.

I know. Cause it's allergies. I'm like, always. I saw one of those.

Breaks it down into the split view and you're, like, wiping your nose.

I'm like, always wiping my nose.

You wipe your nose so much, it's allergies, dude.

It'll even take us. All right, so let's see. I guess I don't even know where to start. Give me some. Okay, so I grew up in Lake Charles, Louisiana. I have two sisters who are twins, Crystal and Ashley. They are 13 months older than me. We grew up, like, we were triplets.

Yeah, you were like, in a sense, like irish triplets. You know how they call it? Irish twins? Like, twins that are like, eleven to 13 months apart or whatever. Like, just super close. So they call them irish twins, but there was, like, twins plus one. So, like, irish triplets.

So my sisters were. We were all really close growing up. My mom's name is Michelle, and we were always known as Michelle and the girls. We had a different dynamic family growing up. My mom was one of seven and the baby of seven, and her mother and dad, who were moms and pops, basically helped raise myself and my sisters, along with my mom, too. So my mom, I don't want to get too much into all that, but, like, my mom had us young. I think she had crystal, Ashley, like, senior year, and then, you know, 13 months later, senior year of high school, and then, I mean, if you knew the math, you know, that's the math.

Well, I was just clarifying.

So then a year later, my mom had me. So she was young mom. She was a single mom. She did the term. Dad was never a term ever used in our house. We didn't have a dad growing up. I never knew him. I couldn't even tell you anything about him. I haven't seen pictures back from, like, maybe when I was, like, we little. I think, like. Cause we grew up Catholic, and so we were baptized as babies. And I think there's, like, I don't even know if it was my baptism as a baby or my sisters or if it was their birthday. But there's one picture that I think I've seen with him in it. I'm like, oh, okay, cool, who's that guy? But there's been zero relationship. Basically. Like, he's. I mean, he never was there. Never talked to him, don't know anything about him. He doesn't know anything about me. Unless it's on tv, I guess.

Um, wasn't one, like, the. I vaguely remember a story of pops, your grandfather. Like, your mom was, like, working that day, and he was supposed to be watching you and your sisters or something like that.

Yeah.

So your grandfather showed up to the house.

No, like, something like that. So I don't want to get too much into, like, my mother, but, like, if I'm referencing my story, which is the purpose of this is, you know, I didn't grow up with a father figure in the house. I didn't grow up with a dad. But I do know, you know, my mom didn't make, like, the best choices when it came to men in her life. And so in this scenario, this wasn't a healthy relationship that they had. But I think, per the, you know, catholic faith and religion is you're going to get married. And so they did get married, and I don't know the ramifications of when they got divorced or whatever, and when she changed her name back to her maiden name. I don't know any of those specific details, and I don't really care to fully understand all that. It's never been a part of my life. And so I've. My mom's family, which was the Therios, is like, that's my family. And so that was big enough for us. And I love my family, but I think as we got older, I think we were. Me and my sisters were very, like, coddled and protected in a way, from a lot of things.

And as we got older, we started to maybe ask questions, but not out of curiosity, more of out of like, why did this situation happen? And then they answer. Cousins or family members would have to fill in the gaps to help us understand certain situations that maybe we were, like, going through. And so one of the things was, you know, whenever. And this is what's weird, because I don't really like saying the word dad because he's not a dad, right. So I don't. I don't want to, I don't know what specific to call him the man that.

I mean, I mean, the word father is accurate. I mean, I would say the word dad is more intimate.

Okay.

And so you kind of earn the right to be a dad, but.

Okay, well, then I'll go with that.

So, I mean, he was like, you have a mother and father, but like, I feel like the words mom and dad are a lot more intimate.

Okay.

But because he's not your dad, but he was your father. Biological father.

Okay, that makes sense. Cheers.

We're getting somewhere, guys. We're getting somewhere.

So this father, this guy, this father, I think just from what I know, and I'm. And once again, if people are listening to this and they know me and they know my life and they know my story, this is my knowledge and my story and what I have retained. So I. This is what's hard about talking about this, is that it's. I've never talked about it, you know, and you have, in a sense, kind.

Of a memory that you've really suppressed all your life because you. I mean, it hasn't been a part of your life.

Yeah. And, you know, I've. I've walked through things and I've walked through life and I'm sure we'll get through different struggles and all these kind of things, like through this podcast and stuff. But when it came to having a dad in the house, we did not have one. So this father left us when we were babies. And I think literally, like, left. Like, I think my mom was at work and she, you know, is going to college and working. Her parents are helping with all the things as well. But I think this, this guy, father guy, he's not a priestley now. This is going everywhere. I don't know how to talk about it because I don't. I've never talked about it, but like socially or whatever. So I think what was. What I know is that we were about. I was about six weeks old or whatnot. Which means, you know, my sisters had had that first birthday. This is a picture that I remember seeing, like, in this old, old family albumen. Remember albums when we had printed photos. So at the time of this photo that I can recall, it was a birthday.

So it had to be my sister's first birthday. And then there's, like, a picture, and then there's another picture that was in there with, like, me with this, like, white, long baptism gown. And so I'm not saying those were the same things or, you know, he was present for that baptism or whatnot, but that's what my head sees when I remember looking through these albums and understanding that, like, he left, like, when I was, like, six weeks old. Like, straight up, peace out. I don't want to be here. This is my explanation. I'm too young. I don't want to be a dad. I don't want to be a father. I'm probably into drugs and alcohol and all wild things. And I think he just left. And I remember only speculating. I'm speculating, but I'm pretty sure that's probability. But what I do remember later on in life, mom saying, like, he left and, like, moved away. So that was what she kind of, like, told us growing up. Like, he just moved away. So that's the question that everyone asks all the time. Where's your dad? Do you have a daddy? Where is he? Why don't we ever talk about it?

Why has he never been seen? Because, in all honesty, he's never been a part of my life. And I don't feel like he's ever deserved the right for me to talk about him and to give him a sense of this sounds really bad because I am a Christian, and I know. I know, you know, the rules and the values and all that, but he was not a dad to me. And he was, you know, this man that abandoned us, in a sense. Right? Is that okay to say? And so I just never wanted to cross that line of, like, publicly talking about it on the tv show because I knew in that rim it was just going to be different forms of attention and that I wasn't going to be the. In this form of me talking about it. I. I am verbally talking about it. And ain't nobody editing this right here, so I never wanted it to be something that I couldn't control in a sits. And because it is a part of my story. It is. It is my story. It's the very beginning of my story. And, yeah, I mean, I definitely see that?

Because if we would have talked about it on the tv show, it just.

Would have brought too much drama. It would have possibly explain certain situations and things, and I know through our marriage, like, there are some things that I've overcome, and especially when we became parents and I saw you as a dad, I had these expectations and, like, all these things we'll talk about later, but, I mean, I just didn't want to give. I didn't want to glorify him in any way because I didn't feel like he deserved it because he was nothing. Right. And I felt like if this is, if we're on this show and God's given us this platform, these children, this story and all this, that's not what I'm sharing. Like, that has nothing to do with where we were in that phase of life and the value of us saying there's something more than a. There's something more and there's something bigger than this. And we still say that to this day, like, there is something bigger than this. Like, it's outside of us. Like, it's a. It's a bigger story. God's doing some work somewhere bigger, and we're just some avenue of, like, trying to lead and guide along the way for whatever his full purpose is, you know?

And. And I, you know, that's a part. It's a. It's a piece of my past, but it's nothing. It doesn't define me. And I would say that I never really got asked about it. I never really got questioned about it. I just made it very clear from the very beginning was that it came up in the very beginning with one of the producers. And I just said, listen, it's not something that's in my life. We're not going to talk about it because this has nothing to do with him. And so I don't want to give any excess in, quote, unquote, fame, in a sense, to him because it wasn't deserved in my. I just didn't feel like it was worth my breath, you know? And so, yes, years and years have gone by. I'm 40 years old. I've walked what people would say is half your life, you know, which is crazy. I'm 40. But I would say that growing up, I never felt without. I never felt like I missed out on something. And I would say that probably, and I agreed with that statement, probably until we had Blake and I had friends, I'd spend that at their house and just family dynamics and being around people with dads and stuff.

It never bothered me, and it never made me feel, well, I don't have that.

It's like, you don't know what you don't know. You never knew your entire life, like, what it was like to have a dad. Like, you had a great family of, like, uncles and stuff that would step in and help out and then an amazing grandfather that kind of acted as that fatherly dad role. But it's different. It's not the same.

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, like, like I said, like, I was. I never. There are a lot of people, and I don't want to, like, decredit this, that go through a lot of struggles with, you know, especially being a girl and a dad, like, not having a dad, a dad and, like, how that can hurt and damage one growing up and later on in life. And I honestly feel that, you know, God knew what was around us, and that gap was filled. That gap was filled with the love of. Of my mom's family. I mean, my grandparents helped to raise us just as much as a mom and dad, as my mom was and were above and beyond with all the things that I had to get taught in teaching me how to ride a bike. And, like, I mean, all those things was like, it came from, with my grandparents. And so relationships with my mom were. Listen, mom was young. I mean, could you imagine graduating high school, having three kids going through college? And, you know, I praise her for, you know, graduating, becoming a teacher and going to school and working and doing as more of, like, a grown mind?

I can say I really do feel that she did try to do the best that she could with what she had. And our life was a struggle. It was always. There was a lot of unhealthy situations we were put in and a lot of scary situations we were put in and bad choices that I think that she made as a mother. But if I reflect on that, I would say that I want to trust that she was doing the best that she could. But there was a lot of mental instability that caused a lot of harmful situations to be brought in the presence of me and my sisters. And so some of those things are traumatic ways, and I'm not quite sure if I'm going to talk about the depth of that right now, but there are things that I remember, you know, I didn't, you know, so didn't grow up with this, like, dad figure, but my grandparents, from beginning of what just, they were mom and dad, but they were pops and moms and my mom was mom, and we had. My mom had, you know, she was one of seven that was alive whenever, you know, we were born.

But my grandma did have twins that she miscarried, and then she also had triplets that lived for a couple days back. Weighed in in the early fifties, I think. And so it was a big family, and my grandparents were amazing, and I love them. And all I can think about today and, like, all these days is that, man, if they could only see. They could only be here to, like, see the girls. Like, that's what. Uh oh. Something's wet in my eye. Dang it. That's where. That's, like, where my heart goes is, like, because of the love. And, like, the relationship I had with them was a lot closer than what I have with my mom. And that's what makes me sad about just looking at where things are today and, like, how. How stuff is. It's just. My grandma would be like, I mean, you never met my grandma. Cause she had passed away when I was, like, a junior in high school. But I don't know, I just think about, like, how wonderful this day will be when we're in heaven and we all get to, like, rejoice and, like, dance, and I can't wait to hear, laugh and all that kind of stuff, and just see the girls.

Like, that's just. I just want, like, if somebody asked me one thing, someone did ask me one thing. What's, like, hero in your life? And I would say, like, my grandma and, gosh, why am I crying? Adam, this is why I don't want to do this. I do want to do it. I do want to do it. Tissues for my nose. Um. She just. I don't know. I think there's days that I remind myself of her without even thinking that I ever would have thought I would be like her, in a sense that I cook for a freaking cafeteria every day. Like, things like that, it just makes me think of my grandma and moms and pops. But my relationship growing up with them was. They were a sense. They were the stability for me and my sisters. We, you know, they would. My mom. We did live with mom at, you know, an apartment for years. And then I think when I was about fourth or fifth grade, we moved into, like, a house. She would bring us to school, but either pops, more than likely pops or pops would pick us up from school, and I.

We go to their house. We'd have our homework, we'd have our snack. And I remember, like, high school, middle school and stuff, you know, it's like, gotta get home. Watch. Saved by the bell and California dreams. But we would have. They would tell us, you gotta do your homework first. And we'd get our little Debbie cake snacks. That was our snack after school. Crystal still has those snacks every day after school. They taught us. They taught us, like, what we know today as far as, like, you know, we would mow the grass. Like, I was mowing the grass at, you know, the quint's age right now. Like, they're nine. I was definitely mowing the grass.

Yeah, I mean, that. That was, like, the crazy thing, like, listening to your childhood and stuff and just, like, hearing, like, how fast you and your sisters had to grow up.

Yeah, I mean, we did.

Like, y'all are, like, so self sufficient and, like, taking care of yourself at such a young age. Because my mom was going through a.

Lot in trying to provide for herself and her children, but also just, I think. And, you know, this isn't quoted from her. She's never told me this, but, like, I think she was just majorly struggling, like, and I'm not sure much has changed, if I'm honest, but, you know, I.

Struggling how? What do you mean?

Just, like, mentally, like, anxiety, depression, and, like, all these things, like, just mental illness from early on and, you know, being young and getting pregnant to just struggles in life and not making good decisions. There are a lot of memories that, you know, I honestly would say up until probably just a few years ago, that I didn't know that my sisters even knew the same thing that I knew, because growing up, I, you know, it was like, the twins and me, and they shared a room, and I had a room by myself, and then when we moved into the house, we kind of all shared a room, and then I had a room, and, like, good, move out, whatever. Like, move into the other room, whatever. But I was definitely always set apart. I was always the multiple ones. I was the other one. Here's the twins and her. Here's the twins and the other one. And so I think that's what I like today as a mom of multiples and not a multiple. My heart is weak for Blake, because you were.

She's the other one.

She. She was me, you know? And so, like, I feel like I'm always trying my best to be cautious over, like, blake in this scenario. Blake in that scenario. And we've talked about this lots of times.

The quints do get a lot of.

Attention, and it's overwhelming all the time, you know, and so.

And then, you know, a lot of people will, like, approach us, like, at a store or something like that. And because, like, all of, like, you know, the hype and everything is centered around the quints because of, you know, there are these record break kids, and it's just so crazy because there's five kids who are born at the same time, and so, you know, you. You can kind of see that. And it, like, frustrates us sometimes because, like, people will, like, look right past Blake to, like, look at the quints or talk to the quints or whatever, and then Blake's right here, and, like, for us, like, we hate that.

Yeah.

And just because, I mean, from your childhood, I mean, that was like.

That's, like, triggers to me, you know? And so I'm always like, oh, and this is Blake, you know, or, hey, blake, you know, like something. Anyway, I think, God, there's just so much. I just don't even know what. The avenue of where to go, but I already broke a tear, so. Episode four, first tier. So I had to write that down, put that in the books.

Mine was in, like, two or three or something like that.

Oh, number one, that's two, I think. Um, so I. I guess with a lot of this being said, like, my grandparents raised us, my mom raised us, but it was. I don't want to, like, hurt anybody's feelings, like, step on anybody's toes and whatnot, but a lot of my memories are with my grandparents, and maybe that's because those are the memories that were the joyful memories, and the ones with mom were possibly not. They were. They were more stressful. Yeah, and just like, you gotta blackout a lot of that out, you know? So I, you know, learned discipline and chores and how to mow the grass. My granddaugh, Paul, was like a farmer, and we grew up, me and my sisters, because my mom was the youngest of the seven, and we were also. Well, no, I wasn't the youngest of the cousins.

Wait, your grandfather wasn't a farmer? Yes, he was a farmer.

He had a. Over by the house.

He was a gardener.

That's a gardener at his house.

He had a big garden.

It wasn't like there weren't animals. He did vegetables.

He was probably your granddaddy sold to the local store. Your grandfather was retired probably by the time you were born, right?

I would assume.

Yeah, cuz, like, he didn't have to work anymore, and that was, like, his main thing that he absolutely loved, like, every single day.

What do you call a farmer?

I mean, a farmer is like somebody out with, like, a hay bales and cattle. That's a cattle acres and acres of land that specifically is like, I'm growing this lake Charles.

Like, he did that on his other property.

His other piece of property is smaller than half of our yard.

No, it wasn't. Okay, we're not gonna argue about Pops's yard, because I'm gonna win no matter what. And I just.

Weird to call him a farmer.

That's what he was. We grew tomatoes, eggplant, cucumbers.

He had a garden. He had a really awesome garden.

Yeah. And guess what? We sat there and planted those things and grew those things and sold those things, and they went to the people in the town, and they went to market. Basket kroger.

It was a big garden. I would not call it a farm.

Whatever. It's a farm to me. In my five year old vision within.

The city limits of Lake Charles. We're not having farms in there.

You're rude. Let me put some lip gloss on. My lips are dry, and I have to always have some on my lips. So we grew up, and that is, like, literally every day. That's where we go to school. They'd pick us up from school. Sometimes we'd sleep at their house, and that's. Every dinner was at their house. And then maybe they would bring us home, or mom would pick us up after work, and we would go to the apartment or to the house that we lived in at that time, you know? So I think. Which is so incredibly crazy to think in fourth grade, which is the quint's age right now, in fourth grade, I remember that was my mom got a teaching job, and that's when she met, like, some of her, like, friends, like Mary and, like, all them. And then when they all start, that family all started having kids, we started babysitting those kids. I was in fourth grade. This would be the quints right now, almost, like, ten years old. And my sisters were in fifth grade, and we were babysitting. Isn't that crazy? But we were, like. I would say, like, you know, most of the time, we three would be together watching one kid or, like, whatever.

But we started babysitting at a young age, and then going through middle school, we were babysitting. But still, we're still doing, like, I would just say, like, we grew up. I would say probably around that 3rd, 4th grade, I would say, like, life to me, in my eyes, was. I was responsible for things.

Yeah.

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

And I can't now that I have, like, a fourth grader and we have an 8th grader. It's like. It's hard for me to even imagine. And the responsibilities that I had that they would have right now, you know? And so a lot of that is upon this world today and the whatever.

But kids are just soft these days.

Yeah. And I'm like, dude, I mean, I was paying bills by the time I was in middle school.

I mean, yeah, look at our childhood.

I mean, we just definitely grew up very different.

I mean, we were, like, free range kids in elementary school. You know, I remember growing up and going and playing at my friend's house, and we would jump on our bikes, and we would be gone. I mean, no cell phones, no nothing. No way to get a hold. To us, it was jump on your bike out in the woods, and I might be back when the sun goes down. And if mom and dad have to go anywhere, they're just driving circles around the neighborhood, just screaming into the woods for my name. And hopefully I come out, because that's what it was like. But, I mean, we wouldn't dare do that with our kids nowadays.

No, I'm like, I'm nervous for you to ride down the street in our neighborhood.

Yeah. In fourth grade, like, I don't want them to go two roads over, you know? It's just times that we live in are much different, for sure.

Right? So along with, like, growing up in that foundation of, like, family and whatnot, we did go to church. We were raised catholic, went to CCD, first communion in third grade. And, like, all that kind of stuff, I never felt. Never felt understood. I never felt like anything made sense. Which is where I remind myself that we have a girl named Riley Page in our life, and she's just like me when I was little, apparently, with all her questions and always wanting, like, an answer and something to be clear, and that doesn't make sense why, you know? But my mom's. My mom had two sisters. Those two sisters each had three kids. And so I would say. I mean, lots of my weekends, I honestly could not even tell you what my mom was doing or the summers I, you know, had a best friend. I would live in Emily's house for weeks. Weeks. And I'm thinking once again, as a.

Mother, yeah, you don't even check on your kid.

How does this even happen? However, as the kid, you're like, yay, I'm at my cousin's house. Oh, I'm at my friend's house, and, oh, another day, you don't think about it. But as an adult, as you reflect, and, wow, she never even goes on. I'm like, I think I stayed over there for, like, two weeks. So things like that make me think. And I. And I don't necessarily know. I'm not gonna get all into, like, mom drama situations, but, like, because that could be a whole nother podcast, a whole, like, it could be a show. It could be a movie. But I I would not say that I ever felt like I missed out on things growing up. I felt loved. I felt wanted and needed and included, and things, like, never really bothered me. I think some of that is due to feeling love, because maybe others around us felt they needed to fulfill something. But my aunts and uncles and stuff, like, they were amazing. Like, we were always with them, making, like, the best times. Like, you know, there were rules there, but you also had all these things that we would do and play and put on shows and all, like, all the things that Mackenzie, Blake, and Lilly do these days.

Like, we grew up doing that with our cousins. Like, we'd play the newscast and, like, we'd make an Oprah episode and, like, I mean, all kind of commercials, like, just for fun. But I think if I kind of, like, speed on through life, there was a lot of, like, I would say through high school, my mom never really made wise decisions when it came to men in her life. And she never, ever remarried before. Whenever she got divorced from the father, my father. I don't want to say the father, my father, I just never talked about this that much in one day. But men that she did date, I would say that she never got remarried, which, for whatever reason, whatever. And I kind of would say that I am kind of glad we didn't go through, like, yeah, she was in relationships, but they weren't, like, having to navigate, like, have marriages and, yeah, all that, you know, that would have been, like, really challenging. But we were always with our family. Our holidays were big. Every holiday was big. We had a lot of cousins. I mean, everybody wanted to come to our side and come to all the things, and we still love to have those traditions.

These days, it's like family, family, family. So it's very hard to say certain things when we talk about family, because I have a different relationship with my mom, and it's never been one of the best. It's always been. I have to remember that people listen to this, and that's the hardest part about this, is that I've prayed for so long. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I want to be able to share my life and my testimony and my experience and what it has done. To me and made me who I am. And so my relationship with my mom was never great, honestly.

And so right now, we're going to end this episode and we're going to continue it on to next episode. It's going a little bit longer than we want to, and we're just going to do a continuation next episode and finish out Danielle's story just because there's so much there. So stay tuned for that. But this is episode four of more than reality podcast, and we will see you in the next one.

Thank you.