This is exactly right. Oh, and welcome to my favorite murder, the Zoome Edition, or on Lock Down, and I haven't bathed in two to three days, Ed..

Would you say your essence is right? Oh, it's like a pizza.

Pizza. That's a pizza armpit. Sure. Like but the gnarly pizza that you get it like when you are in student body, you're in student body and everyone pitches in to order pizza. So of course it's like trashy kind has your stench level. Are you you look do you look clean right now. Thank you.

I did bathe today. Thanks. I did. When I let it go too long I, I don't bathe myself and I don't do like the dishes. Yeah. Yeah. And then I, and then I have a realization of like I'm this is, this is me putting depression on myself.

The last thing I so I woke up this morning, took a shower, clean the house also because the dogs came in at some point last week when I had stripped the bed of everything, even the mattress pad, and I was just washing everything like the weekly wash.

George went in there having been in the backyard with mud on her feet and walked walked across the mattress.

Sergie Yeah. I mean, and now with the cone, she can't win right now. And I'm like, oh, I want to be mad at you, but you're already very individual.

But there's just dog prints in like it's clay mud. It's not just plain mud. It's like the real dense stuff.

Oh, do you live in an adobe house at Dahlby Adobe. Yeah. So I can't get the I've spent several days doing different cleaning treatments of getting dog prints off the mattress. And so because of that I've been sleeping on the couch. Then it's like that my room is off limits to me. Yeah. So that's off. And then I'm just kind of sleeping on the couch and there's like when I wake up, I look down and there's like popcorn on the ground or something, you know what I mean?

Where it starts to get too much quickly because having also having animals, it's like it gets out of hand really quickly.

That's one thing I never did, even in my, like, deepest, darkest depression is like go to sleep on the couch because I know it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. But honestly, like, it's it gets darker and darker inside of my mind when I wake up on the couch. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. I've been I've been surfing my own couch for like three years.

You deserve a bed on. You deserve it. I deserve a bed.

And and I have been putting myself to bed to bed in my new house. But until this debacle happened, really what I'm saying is my answer to your question is onions.

It's just a strong onion onion because I would be cool. It's not even fun.

It's not funny at all. It's just kind of gross. But I like it in the way that makes me feel like, oh, the toxins are being released.

Maybe that's because it really smells toxic.

Quite because you keep fainting.

When you get a whiff of yourself for real, it's like, oh, wait, did I tell you about the day the UPS man came? And I was like, hey, hold on. And then I ran inside and grabbed a bottle of Belvedere that I had sitting from left over from that Christmas party.

I so I have like handles of liquor left over from this Christmas party.

No, Bragge sorry. Everybody not drinking it and not interested. I actually tried to get myself like, hey, you could just drink a bottle of champagne right now one night.

And I was like, for what? Let's say you fall down and, like, split your head open.

Yeah. So the UPS man was walking away and I was like, hold on one second. And I went and grabbed this bottle of Belvedere and gave it to him. So today he dropped something else off. And when I opened the door to get it, he was like almost to his truck. And then he turned and goes, Hey, thanks. And it was wearing a bandanna, like a bandit, like a green bandana just across his nose going down.

And he was like, I'm not I'm not messing with any of those YouTube videos that show you how to make like a perfectly adorable bandana. I just I'm putting it on right now. Just hear here. Yeah, I'm a I'm an old fashioned old West train robber. That's his look, which is really cool, actually. Yeah.

But he walks back and goes, Hey, hey, thanks again for that bottle man.

Was good all weekend long with the little orange juice like he told me about how he's been enjoying it. I was just like, that's all I want to hear.

Yes, please do that. You got to put those bottles of liquor to use. Right. And then I don't drink it. Yeah. Getting your delivery man shitfaced. Yes. Take a break.

You're worried all the time. You should have to be worried all the time. This is all the p e. I can give you nice vodka that someone else gave me.

Can I say can I recommend real quick a couple like Instagram's that are making me happy corner one hundred percent.

I was going to say. Let's also talk about what we've been watching for TV on TV or movies, because, yeah, I am quickly running out of options and completely depending on. Other people on social media talking, if I got a couple of those, too, so let's do that.

So the Instagram that are making me happy is that Charro has an Instagram and but what a delight.

That woman's been entertaining me since I was born. Wow. She's been on the TV. I mean, she's like early days, 70s variety show. She was always there. Hoochie coochie, hoochie coochie coochie. She is so hilarious. She does this like like how to handwashing video. That's just pure charro. And she just like shows you what sort of social distancing means. If you don't know who Charo is, just go find her Instagram. It's amazing.

And then I so good. I sent you Lesley Jordan's Instagram.

I love him. So what is he been on?

He's like a character actor, right.

I believe and don't quote me on this, but I'm almost positive he got popular because he was on Will and Grace. Oh, right.

That's right.

He was Megan Mullally, his friend on it. I'm not I am not sure for sure. But somebody somebody retweeted him telling a story. It's just him talking to the camera. He had the most hilarious, charming Southern man.

He reminds me he's like a David Sedaris type, but all to himself and like a Southern grandma. It's the most hilarious thing I've ever seen. And I think he's a very popular character. Like I think aside from Will and Grace or whatever show he got, like he really broke through on, he's just been on a ton of stuff because he's so good. Yeah. So what's the video you saw?

He was telling a story I can't remember. I think he was cooking something, but he was also telling a story and it turned into like I sniffed this one thing and then I was dancing all night.

I mean, it was just. Yeah, yes. He's he's totally candid.

Just tells you everything. Yeah, that's hilarious.

And then also, Steve is on another great actor has had one. Yeah. Steve sort of to Steve's on for reals is is his Instagram that his like teenage daughter made from him. And he is like psycho and hilarious and so charming and it it's and he doesn't know what he's doing. It's so entertaining. Oh my God.

I love he's truly he's one of the great character actors, but just regular actors of all time. He's in the great film Out of Sight, one of the best movies ever made. I feel like he's in he's it's like a law that he has to be like the neighbor friend in every movie that you've ever seen. Pretty much.

Yeah, but but and he has huge range. But like, I wish he was in you know, he's in I've seen him in a bunch because Nora loves The Diary of a Wimpy Kid.

Yes. Diary of a Wimpy Kid movies, which are great movies. I'm going to go into recommendation's. I've watched every one of those movies with Nora and I love them.

OK, well, I know that children are great, very talented actors. And Steve Zahn is the dad. And normally he plays like a crazy stoner.

I'm like hardcore cop or whatever in this. He's just a dad.

He's like it's like he's perfectly playing a regular dad. He and it's so good. He's so. Yeah, he's very charming. And on Instagram I recommend it. That's it for Instagram.

I'm so proud of him that he's, I don't know. Joining the social media craze. Steve Zorn for real.

Yeah.

LSM, it's funny but TV was sorry at this document.

OK, I watched this is old, it's from two thousand and it's on Amazon Prime. It's called this is personal, the hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper and it's the entire story of how long it took to catch the Yorkshire Ripper and how intense it was.

And the guy, the British actor playing detective George Oldfield, who is the guy that like headed up the case and and they ran into every it's such a well done docu drama because it it perfectly highlights all of the really intense anti sex worker tone, the super intense sexism, just like a bunch of dudes that were kind of like mishandling women would go in to say, my daughter was attacked on a country lane and it was in with a hammer, was this same guy.

She recognizes him and they'd be like, lady, he doesn't even like they'd be super dismissive of people and going, I recognize that the it was it's a it's an amazingly documented and actually very for the year 2000 very modern feeling. So long for how. Yeah.

Twenty years ago I wrote it down saying I'm definitely going to watch that. It's called This is personal for the Yorkshire onWe like Netflix. It's on Amazon Prime for probably an ACORN type of thing to say.

The the actor that plays the detective is named Alan Armstrong. You've seen him in a million things, he's in every British period piece, he's so good as this detective who like basically. We don't tell I don't like oh, shit, that was a huge spoiler, Steven, buzz out that entire side of my head, I'll bleep it all bleep up really ruined for me now.

Oh, ruined.

Well, you're going to get the idea. He's not so help you God. I've been watching. Speaking of travesties of justice and murder, I've been there's a new Atlanta Child Murders documentary on HBO that's so good in that it's infuriating, but it's so far, it's the best one I've seen for sure. Like I've been watching a lot. And it's tough to talk about the, like, systematic racism and like, you know, dismissal of an entire race of people in Atlanta because of, you know, the times and all of that.

It's just it's insane. It's horrible. But it's a really good documentary. If you don't know anything about the Atlanta child murders or even if you do, I I highly recommend it. It talks about the I can't wait to watch it.

Yeah, it's I saw the preview for it. And then there was one night where I was like, oh, I should go watch that. And it was probably in week one quarantine. And then I went, I can't no, I can't handle it because I could barely handle at the end of mind hunter when that whole thing turned into those mothers and the Atlanta child murders and those women and the that parade, that silent parade that they did like I was it was so affecting and it's so upsetting and it's just so, you know, I feel like such a deep wrong and it needs to be known more because it's it's just so fucked up and dark.

Speaking of OK, I also recommend a podcast that I've been listening to on Spotify that if you want a deep dive into what we always talk about, which is which is the satanic panic, and this one goes into a deep dive of the satanic panic at this podcast is called Conviction. And it's season two of Vodcast Conviction. And I had to stop it a few times. They like play some of the interview with the interviews with the children and the parents who were charged with and convicted of satanic ritual abuse.

And it tells you the whole history of how it came about in the United States. And it's really fascinating and horrible. So if you want to.

Yeah, if you want to get deep, dark and depressing during your quarantine and we know you do because you're here with us now, clearly this is our jam swimmin.

Rochelle, this is not deep.

Well, this is different than the this than that.

But did you watch the series Orthodox. Sorry, Stephen. Did you watch the series Unorthodox. No Netflix. But I heard it's great you have to watch. OK, I'll just say this and I promise I won't spoil I. I had what. So I think I watched it a week ago and I had been just bingeing kind of anything like whatever came up on that, I'd be like a kid.

Whatever it is, the most compelling show it. I couldn't stop watching it. I had to keep on. What was I supposed to do that day. Oh that was the day I was supposed to bring Katrina, the toilet paper. I was like, well, bring it to you. And I was like, oh, bring it to I'll bring in it for I'm going to bring it later on because I couldn't stop watching this show. It's so well done.

It's so believable. And it's about the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community in Williamsburg and a young woman who's in that community and and gets out of it, tries to go and live an independent life. And it's so good. And the other morning I call my dad and we're talking he goes, hey, have you seen on Unorthodox?

And I was like, are you serious? And we have a full conversation about it.

We talk all about it. And then at the end of the call, he said, good Shabbos.

At the end when we were to say, oh, my God, Jim, it was it was you.

And it made me laugh so hard. Anyway, that's amazing. That's actually an amazingly well done, so realistic kind of.

It feels like a documentary. A lot of the. Yeah. So good.

OK, well the other thing I've been listening to a book tonight, I don't think I did this one because I was going to do it as a fucking horror. But then we've been kind of reading other people's fucking horizon lately.

So I don't think I did this. Please tell me if I have it's listening to this book on tape called How to Be an Adult in Love by David Ryko.

Dude, this book is so good. And it's not like it's not like it's not a relationship book and it's not like a dating book or whatever.

It's like basically how to, like, get right within yourself so that you can like so that you can be with people correctly.

I love it is unbelievably help. Full and kind of like very it's not like woo woo and it's not like dry, it's so good and it's a little bit Buddhist. He he's a Buddhist teacher, I think. But he's also like an expert. I mean, you you can tell that he's like a true expert. It's amazing having to listen to any adult in love.

If I have to listen to any religion, it's going to be Buddhism, then that's about it. Sorry. Right. Sorry, fellow Jews.

But but you shouldn't make make the exception for unorthodox. Yeah, OK.

If anyone's looking for something like that, say the title is like a it's called How to Be an Adult in Love by David Ryko. RISC is how I'm assuming it's pronounced. And he also has a couple other books that are like similar titles.

But it's the it's that one that I really stand behind.

OK, the last one I'll do is and I told you to watch this blow the man down the movie. Oh yeah.

Yes, I watched you. Did you like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was good.

It's a murder mystery set in a small seaside town and its sister center. I loved it. I love it. I have to say, I get super stressed when part of the storyline is the crime happened and then people dealing with the fallout.

Yeah, I just can't stop thinking it's me.

I can't stop going like feeling like you're in trouble. Like, yeah.

Like I go to the gas station like it makes me feel like I have to help the TV show get this problem solved. It's insane.

It sounds like a bad dream when you're like, I did this thing in my dream and it's on Amazon Prime and it's called Blow the Man Down.

I really I loved it. It's definitely suspenseful.

It was very entertaining. And I believe Margo Martindale is the the lady. Yes. There's some amazing actresses in that show completely. Like every time they show up, you're like, yes, yeah.

Because of all these things I had written down, I don't wait now. I can't remember if I told this story. Now tell me if I told the story.

Did I tell you guys the story of this was like the last thing I did before quarantine started when they called and said my sunglasses were ready at the at the.

I didn't tell you.

Okay, so this was like they had basically said we're going to start a quarantine like tomorrow or whatever. And then I got the call that my sunglasses had come in, my prescription sunglasses had come in at the at the optometrist. So I was like, I'm doing it.

I don't care. It was like that Friday, remember? It was like I think it got serious on the Friday. Yes. So I drove over there real fast and I went and I looked like a lunatic. Of course, I can't learn the lesson of just put on a one layer of makeup when you go out. I know why, but because why would you do that? So I go in and I'm like, I don't. Because sometimes you meet people and I know you're right.

So but this was great because so I go to pick them up and they always do, you know, it's a wonderful place, full service, whatever. So they always make you sit down and try them on and they refit you with them on your face.

You a lot. I just want to they did. And I just wanted to take them like with a pair of tweezers and run out there. But I knew they'd make me do the thing. So as I'm standing there, I give my name and they're like, oh yeah, just take a seat and you'll get get them fitted.

And then immediately I have energy feelings from the person that's sitting on the bench behind me. But I think it's because I came in a little too hot like I was, you know, because I was like, I got to get out of here. And so I just figured it was judgment feelings. And I went to walk over to where they were telling me to sit. And he leaned forward and goes, I'm sorry, can I just say? And then I was like, oh, hold on a second.

It's not judgment at all. And he introduced himself. His name is Drew. And he just wanted to say he was a listener and, you know, a fan and whatever. Super nice. I was like, thanks so much. You know, we had a nice chat. I went and sat down. The lady put the sunglasses on me. She gets them fitted. I'm like, it's fine, that's fine, whatever. But then she has to get up and go get something.

So I have to wait even longer. So I turn and look at Drew and I'm like, these are good, right? And he's like, he stands up and then gives me a full once or he's like, oh my God.

Yes, amazing, amazing dress.

Like a little full sunglasses. Approval from Drew. Thank you for being there for me. I needed you in those stressful times. It's like just a nice pre quarantine memory that I have.

One of the last interactions I had the face of the human being. I love it. I'm so grateful that my one of my last interactions that Thursday was a fucking haircut. Otherwise I would be the shaggy dieser. It would just be like a mess over here.

I had the I realized that I was getting super stressed out about what if the time comes where I cannot cover these gray roots and the gray roots thing starts to become real and undeniable, which. I mean, always is a little bit, but I can't tell. I just realized that I can support the Nigel's beauty supply place, which is right there in North Hollywood in the best. I mean, like staff is the best.

They have everything.

And I was like, oh, I'll just order a bunch of stuff from them and support them because, you know, they show. Yeah. And then I just got like four bottles of my hair dyed that I, I will have it, you know, at least for a little while. And then like it's the same idea of the restaurant thing or supporting small businesses. Yeah. Yeah. I think those are all my I mean I'm, I've also like I tried to watch Tom Cruise is the Mummy one night and it wasn't bad.

I mean I got through part of it, but then there's those like it bums me out because movies these days, especially action movies, after a while it's just a bunch of fighting and blue light, like it's just like sound effects and fist fighting or swords or whatever Mummie like weapon they use.

But the lighting is all blue or grey and they're like your club scenes and stuff. And yeah. So you're just like what is this going to be over.

How, what are we doing now.

It's funny. It's like I, I'm like pickier and then not that picky at all.

Do you know even that I just found out I had never seen this movie and so he lost and he's like, we're watching this roadhouse. I had never seen it.

Did you see I used to eat. I saw this tweet and I wanted to write back, please live tweet this entire experience.

So what do you think that was? There's a lot I mean, writing, which I'm not a bit like I don't like fighting in movies, but, you know, it's fake, but it's Patrick fucking Swazi.

What could be biting is this is the basically the theme of the film. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you can't have roadhouse without the fighting. Sorry, I want that.

Edit it out. It's a three minute movie. Just sex and tits of him doing him doing OK. Yeah. Honestly, you know, he's a fighter but he's also much like David, a Buddhist.

Well then said it's like people have said it's the it's dirty dancing for men essentially. Yeah, it completely is. Yeah.

And that woman, Kelly Kelly, the woman that he's the doctor that he's in love with who is like she's a doctor and she is she is built like a supermodel. Yeah. Like she's clearly six feet tall and weighs eighty nine pounds. Yeah. And every time I watch that movie I'm just like this is why the eighties were so hard. Right.

Because you were supposed to be a basically a Danish high fashion model.

Right. And a doctor and a doctor plus a doctor. Right. Yeah.

And then you're not supposed to kiss on the first day and you're supposed to be you know, you're supposed to steal. There's lots of ways he's hard and shit. Yeah. A lot of rules, a lot of regulate. What's a girl to do. It was not easy.

She had that woman had there was no meat on her bones at all. But other than that, there is it's a wonderful film.

It's a wonderful yeah. It's a classic. It's a classic.

And there's some amazing like the idea that that guy, the kingpin that runs the town, Jackie Treehorn.

Is that Jackie? That's right.

And he's he's basically going to he's going to he needs doormen.

Yeah. To run his empire.

That's how this tiny town outside of Nashville, something like that, was in Nashville. I always pictured it in kind of up by Sacramento. Well, it's all it was filmed there to me.

It felt very homage to me. That's a classic. I want to know what other movies you haven't seen from the 80s. I'll tell you right now. Ready now? Yeah.

Lizama, have you seen weird science? Of course, yes. OK, it's been a long time. That's a good one. Have you seen better? Better off dead donkey skiing film, I like to call it John Cusack skiing film more.

Ask me more. I feel like there is just he's like, dude films back then.

Like if we went to the video store, my brother would want to watch them and then my sister and I would outvote him. So I like I never watched Roadhouse or Top Gun. I've seen. But like it's been a long time and I think it's boring, you know. Yeah, stuff like that.

Brother, you go to the movies because you guys were going more for Dirty Dancing, you dirty dance. Oh, that's right. The Dirty Dancing Era, Dirty Dancing film, The Adventures of Maddigan.

Many times we watched.

Oh yeah. You know. Oh my stepmother is an alien. Remember that one.

No this is Kim Basinger is an alien and becomes the stepmom of that red headed chick who's an American Pie and everything else.

Alison somebody. Yes. Alison somebody. Yes.

Alison Hannigan, thank you. And I'm losing my edge. All right. Thank you, Stephen. It's terrible. Should we do. Should be. Exactly. Network news. Network news. Yes. So murder squad, of course, Billy and Paul, they're they're diving deep into the case of the dating game killer Rodney Alcala, who you've covered before. But this one is I mean, they're doing a deep dive.

It's really good right in there. And then this let their episode drop yesterday. And they're interviewing the detective from the NYPD that basically started putting the putting it together that. Yeah. Of the women in the pictures, being able to trace them. Yeah. Yeah. It's a really good a really good deep dive.

So that came out this week, Monday, you know, yesterday. But it's. Oh, no, sorry. I keep saying that. Yeah, Monday. Did you know that I made a guest appearance on the new episode of this podcast Will Kill You. I did.

I did. I saw that on social media today. How'd that go? Great. I think. Great. You know, they are covering botulism, basically. What is it? Clostridium Klok, Clostridium botulinum. So botulism, which is basically what Botox is. And they wanted someone's first hand experience of what Botox is like to get. So I told them. But then they also, you know, go into the details of what exactly it is. It's really interesting.

And then they are still doing their they covid-19 multi episode dive. So those are up. They just wanted to take a little break and do something a little more fun.

I bet they've been. Yeah, they've been, they've been working on coronavirus since it broke. Yeah. So yeah they bit you can go back and listen to all those episodes and then have some botulism fun with Georgia Tech this week. Also it's the fiftieth anniversary of the Aristocats.

So Steven Steven's on the Perkowitz. That's what their episode is about this week.

Yeah, we did like an actual movie commentary. We sat and watched the film and we brought up, you know, facts and looked like looked up stuff about the movie. And it's actually based on a true story, apparently, about some rich cats from the turn of the century.

Sure. It's based perfectly.

OK, Stephen. I suppose it's based on a true story of cats that could play the piano for themselves.

It's funny seeing the because, you know, somebody did the Lizzo did like all I could hear was was truth hurts. Yes.

Instead of the original song. Oh, my God, I love it.

And Jojo Gabor is the main cat, right? The main like the lady that Aviemore.

Ava Gabor. Sorry. One of the other sister. Yeah, that's right. There are many talented Gabor sisters.

Oh, OK. The following started a new two part series of an unsolved murder and they introduced the case and explain the Atlanta law that overshadowed the death. So that's a really interesting one to follow along with.

Yeah. The following people who live in the Atlanta area or like I would say probably Georgia. It's so cool that they just focus on these like cold cases and unsolved cases from the area. Yeah, it's really it's really important. Definitely. I always say that about them, but it really is how I feel.

And then an amazing comedian who has an amazing podcast itself, Louis Fatele, his podcast is called Keepit. And so he's on this week's episode of I Said No Gifts with Bridger Weininger that comes out today, same same as us. So listen to that. Either before this or after. I can't control what you did before this, but if you didn't already do it after because Louis fatele is hilarious.

And if you don't. Follow him on Twitter and you're on Twitter, you absolutely should. He's he writes some of my very favorite jokes ever. He's so good.

So funny. Yeah. And then we are frickin days away from the premiere of our newest exactly right.

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First is when that premieres. And we can't wait.

We can't wait and waited so long. We have. Yeah. In 2012, a 72 year old man named Samuel Little was charged with three Los Angeles murders dating back to the 1980s.

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Twenty eighteen. That's riled up, Stephen, two years ago.

Oh, so fun. Spooky and crazy.

I mean, I definitely remember being there and I remember the feeling of being on stage at that show.

All right. Well, in first then, OK, this is a case from Italy, from northern Italy.

And it's one of their big cases that was like, you know, really well known. And it became what they coined a genetic soap opera. So like, I think DNA heads are really into this case because it's it's got some fascinating DNA elements. So stick with me. This is the murder of Yaara Gambro Rossio. So I got a couple of great articles from The Guardian by Tobias Jones and another one by Rosie Scammell. And there's also a case file episode about this and read it and Wikipedia as well.

I'm going to tell you about Brahmbhatt de Sobre. It's a small, picturesque town in northern Italy. It's about an hour away from Alan. Have you been to Italy?

No, I always want to. Yeah, always. I mean, always wanted to. Something's wrong. Something's wrong with me. It's that the sun is blaring right in your face. I feel like I hold on. So it's that's close to the Swiss and Austrian border. So it's, of course, beautiful. It makes it a really popular town for tourists. It's but the people who live there, it's a quiet, close knit community.

It's a little rural, a lot of rural. A lot of the homes still use wood burning stoves and they raise chickens. They grow their own vegetables. And there's a lot of history with it's got like ancient villas, you know, the old beautiful steeples on the churches. There's only around eight thousand residents. And it's got like some deep rooted old school family values, you know, one of those old school Italian places. Like a village.

Yeah, like a village. And it's considered safe. And so families go to raise children there. And, you know, it's a nice little place. So it was on a chilly winter afternoon on November. Twenty six, twenty ten when thirteen year old Yara Gambhir Rossio, she left her family's home, walks over to the sports center where she practices gymnastics in order to drop off estereo stereo. Her instructor needed for an upcoming performance. She stops by, she hangs out, she drops off the stereo and then takes takes off to go home.

It's a quick walk. E.R. is 13 years old. She still has this, like, baby face, but she's starting to look like a teenager. You know that like a little preteen look.

And she has a mouth full of braces, really big smile.

She's got the dark, curly hair. And her father, Flavio, is an architect. Her mother, Mara, as a teacher and as the second oldest of four children. When she left the house, she was wearing leggings, a Hello Kitty t shirt in the block, a black bomber style jacket. She makes the quick check to the sports center. It's less than half a mile from her house. And she then leaves sends a quick text to her friend about meeting up that weekend.

And then that's the last contact anyone has with Yara.

So her mother didn't expect her to be gone, so by seven p.m., she's already worried and she calls the RSL, but it goes straight to voicemail 20 minutes later like this is how how off it was that she was gone for even a short while longer than she should have.

She should have been 20 minutes later. Later, Jarrah's father calls the police was like, my daughter's missing. Yeah.

The call is taken by the magistrate, which is like a district attorney. And it's she's a 45 year old woman named Letitia Gregory. I'm probably saying that wrong, please. I bet you're going to have that feeling about everything, right? This is an Italian crime. So like it's a losing proposition. Let her fly.

We'll hear about it. I'm going to guess it's Ruggieri. How about say it with your fingers up in the air?

Yeah, there you go. OK, so let's see. Treasury is a forty five year old former policewoman, and she's known to be smart and tough. She got a great reputation when she was fighting the coast to coast in Sicily as a policewoman.

Yeah, it's no joke.

She's fighting the original mob. Yeah. She's like, what's up? What's up? She's an unconventional woman for that, for the area she lives in now. She's a single mother, which is rare in that culture. She has five earrings in one ear and plays the guitar and writes a beat up old Vespa, which sounds amazing.

And she also has a black belt in karate.

So this this is a Netflix series. It's like it already is. Like I feel like I've already watched it. Yeah. She's been a magistrate for almost 15 years, so she knows what's going on. When she gets this call, she doesn't fuck around. And she she within minutes, she dispatches both the state police officers and the the carabiner, which is the military police. So immediately they send them out and they go to the small town, they start the search.

The fire department starts scanning the riverbeds. Police are looking at nearby fields. They check the entire sports center where she was at, but they don't find anything.

And unfortunately, the surveillance cameras at the sports center that day were all out of order, which is just like a really awful coincidence. And Rajouri calls in tracker dogs and they follow a scent to a small hamlet nearby called My Pillow. And soon they discovered that the last signals from your cell phone pinged in a Pelo at six forty nine pm at night. So the dogs, they thought the dogs would follow her track back to her house. And so they went the other way to this random town next door and where her phone had ping that night.

So it ping just minutes after she texted her friend after leaving the sports center. So they figured that she had to be in a car to have been moving that quickly and gone from town to town. So someone probably picked her up in a car. And over the next few days, Rajouri and her team questioned every member of his family. Of course, they look for problem signs and, you know, hidden secrets in the family. They don't find anything.

So then the investigators focus there. They focus their time tracing the owners of all the cell phones, which had passed through my pillow on the day of his disappearance, which I guess is a technology they have. And it's approximately fifteen thousand cell phones that have gone through that town that day. So they also put wiretaps on hundreds of phones. And it's a record for any investigation in Italy's history. Tens of million calls are intercepted by law enforcement. And police also bug the families home to track conversations, but they don't find anything.

And meanwhile, Ya's family locks themselves into their home. They're really secretive. And Italian TV is dominated by it's called Cronos Neira, which is crime news. Like they're more obsessed with it than we are and a lot of instances. And so now the national news cameras descend on this small town and on this little street where his family lived. So they plea for privacy. But the case blows up around the country and there's rumors that Ja's disappearances, retaliation, abduction, because the media reports that Ja's father had testified against a mafia member in Naples.

But eventually those rumors are shot down. So none of it's true. So on the afternoon of February, twenty sixth, 2011, three months after Yahweh's disappearance, a middle aged man is flying his new remote air like little airplane in the town of technology Isola, just six miles south of his home.

He's in an open field. It's all industrial, an empty lot. So he's like, this is a great place to fly my little remote plane. The plane malfunctions. He lands it in some tall weeds. You know where this is going. He goes to pick up the plane and see something that looks like a pile of rags. And then he spots a pair of shoes and the clothing are all still on his body. I know her body.

So if that if that were in a TV show, I'd be like, that's so cheesy. Yeah. It's one in a million chances, maybe less.

Yes, but yeah. So unlikely. And yet that happens how it is.

I mean, get ready for the rest of this fucking story because it's the most I'm like it's like a fucking movie. It's crazy. Her body's frozen but you know, she does so show signs of decomposition. So she's been there for a while. But they say the field had already been searched days after her disappearance. So police speculate that the killer dumped her body there, you know, later. But it doesn't really seem that way. They just may have missed it.

Even by a couple of feet, they could have just not seen it, so it's that's possible as well. Crime scene investigators find Ja's iPod and house keys with her, as well as the SIM card and battery for her phone. But the phone itself is missing. So the killer knew to stop the tracing of it and left those things behind, which is, you know, so, so cunning, it seems. The autopsy is conducted by Italy's most famous forensic pathologist, Professor Cristina Catano, and she discovers traces of lime in E.R. respiratory passages and the presence of what's called jute, which is a vegetable fiber that's used to make rope.

And they find that on her clothing, YARE hadn't been raped, but there's signs that there was an attempted sexual assault and maybe she had fought back.

And there's blows on her body, head injury, neck injury and at least six stab wounds are found. But it's determined she didn't die from that any of that awfulness. She died from exposure to the cold weather after she lost consciousness from her injuries. I know it's heartbreaking. Just think of this 13 year old girl when you described what she was wearing, a Hello Kitty T-shirt and a leather jacket. That's like that's preteens in a nutshell. We're here to let you know they're in between two worlds.

So it's like, yeah, you're you're old enough to walk there by yourself, but you're still young enough that you are wearing a Hello Kitty shirt and that you could someone could convince you to do something.

You absolutely shouldn't do that you see someone maybe kind of familiar and so you that's they're not a stranger.

And she had her iPod with her. You know, it's just like such a yeah. She was a young a young teen.

It was like one of the first probably like this is she gets to do stuff like this. Yeah.

She's you know, she's thirteen. I get to walk there by myself. She probably fought hard to be able to have a little independence like that.

Right. And it's just down the road. Her parents probably weren't that worried about it. It's so sad, right? The presence of the lime and the rope fibers suggest to the investigators that the killer might be in the building and construction trade. And the forensic team retrieves two DNA samples from Yarborough's phone battery and from her black gloves, but neither matched any samples the authorities have on record so they can't find who this DNA is from. Two months later, in April, the commander of the Scientific Investigations Department in PAMA calls Rajouri and tells her they found male DNA on Ja's underwear.

And so they the team then calls the murder suspect. They have like a really good DNA sample and they start to call the suspect Ignatiev one, which means unknown, one just so creepy.

A month later, Ja's body is returned to her family. Her funeral takes place on a Monday morning in the sports center where she was training to be a gymnast. There's thousands of onlookers there. It's a white coffin with a huge bouquet of flowers. And the Italian president is there, gives us a few words of condolence. And there's so many people they can't all fit inside the sports center and they watch it outside the funeral outside on a jumbo screen in the parking lot.

So people were just heartbroken over this. You know, I think it's one of those stuff like that doesn't happen here. So, yeah, after the funeral, the police announce that they have a solid DNA evidence and they'll spare no expense looking for the killer. And so the investigation is like in high gear. They continue to wiretap calls. They ask people to voluntarily submit DNA samples and friends and classmates and strangers come forward to give their DNA. And it's believed that twenty two thousand people from the area volunteered their DNA.

Wow. And also each phone user that's found important that day, you know, how they had traced all the phones that were in that area. They test their DNA samples as well, but they don't get any hits. The cost to test all this DNA is huge. And the investigation becomes one of the most expensive manhunts in Italian history. According to some sources, the equivalent of what in today's money would be almost five million dollars. Wow was spent for the entire investigation.

So the Rozario has this idea to to turn her sights onto like places in the area where you are. His body was found thinking that the killer would have been familiar with it. And so right down the street from there is a nightclub. And it's the translation of what it's called is quicksand. And so in 2001, in the spring, or Jerry assigns investigators outside quicksand on busy Friday and Saturday nights to take DNA samples from people going into the club.

Oh, wow. Yeah.

So this fucking thing works and they get a break in the case from quicksand. One of the samples from quicksand is very similar to what's being called the unknown one, though it's not exact. So this man isn't the killer, but he's a relative of the killer. He the man who gave the samples, 20 year old Damiano Jared n'goni, but he's excluded as a suspect. It's not his DNA. He's got a legit alibi, but geneticists are convinced he's a close relative of the murderer.

So in a crazy coincidence, Domino's mother worked for 10 years as a domestic help at his home. But that's ruled out as a lead. That's just a fucking coincidence. Instead, they dig deeper into Domino's father's side of the family and they find out that his father is one of 11 siblings. So Rosario's team spends months recreating the Jarrin own family tree. They go as far back as 17, 16. So this is like I know this is that familial DNA thing that we're now so familiar with.

They're able to clear 10 aunts and uncles of Domino's, 11 aunts and uncles, but one uncle they're not able to clear, and that is Uncle Giuseppe. So they're like, oh, this might be our guy. Turns out he died in nineteen ninety nine, so it couldn't have been him.

OK, because this is 2010, but they get in touch with Uncle Giuseppe's widow and she's like, here's a box of Giuseppe's old documents. I kept them. You can fucking do what you want with them. And in there they find a postcard with a stamp that Giuseppe had licked. So they test that DNA and the results on that come back. And geneticists are convinced that Giuseppe is the biological father of the murderer. Giuseppe was a bus driver in the 60s and 70s.

He had married a woman named Laura. They had a normal marriage. They had three children, a girl and two boys. And they exhume Giuseppe's body. They test his DNA. They confirm that he is definitely the father of the murderer. So they're like, great. It's got to be one of his two sons. One of his sons happens to be a known drug user. They're like, here we go. But when they test Giuseppe's children's DNA, none of them are the killer.

They don't match any of his children. That's when they realized that if the murderer is really the son of the late Giuseppe, then the only explanation is somewhere out there is his illegitimate child.

Oh, right. Yeah, the plot thickens. So now Rosaire is on the hunt for what would have have now been a middle, too old aged woman who 30 or 40 years ago would have had an affair with a married Giuseppi and given birth to a boy who then went on to murder Yaara.

So they're looking legitimately for a fucking unknown person, it's so creepy, so the team and then like a secret person and he's dead. You can't tell you who it is they can't like.

Yeah, you can't admit to it. And clearly, the wife doesn't know that.

The wife doesn't know. Their children don't know. It's just and it's and it's sorry to interrupt, but and it's also like a plot point from a movie of I'm the I'm the illegitimate child. My father never was a correct father to me. Now I've become a serial killer, doesn't it?

Yeah, it sounds so far fetched, but yeah, it's fucking true. The team investigated his former bus routes after some colleagues remember him as a womanizer. And Giuseppe had even confessed to a coworker of having gotten a woman, quote, in trouble, which we know what that means. And as the investigation drags on throughout 2013, the public then becomes aware that an elderly woman is being looked for for the murder of a teenager. And when they find out why?

I mean, they lose their shit and the whole town is just taken over by the media. It's like a real life soap opera. People say, yeah, yeah. And so because of this investigation, everyone suddenly looking at each other and other infidelities come out. And in two small villages, five illegitimate children are discovered separately from any of us.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like it is like a movie where just like don't don't get into it. Let sleeping dogs lie. It's like, no, we have to find out. And then it's like, yeah. When you start getting into stuff like this. Yeah.

It's like people can't keep secrets. There's many more secrets than, than people know.

I mean everyone learned that. Twenty three in my lesson. Yeah.

Whatever it's like it'll be fun and then it's like oh my God, my father is not my real father. Like oh my God I have all heard those stories. Yeah, definitely.

So the investigators scour local records. There had been some homes for unwed mothers at the time. They can't find anyone who would have been has just Giuseppe's lover. So they figure that the woman they're looking for actually probably had been married as well, which is how she hid her pregnancy, because in the sixties and seventies, that was not OK to be pregnant unless you were married. So she probably was married, they figured. And divorce was only legalized in Italy in 1970.

And until that time, many couples stayed together, even if there was infidelities going on. So DNA swabs from about five hundred women that would have been the right age were and could have been the birth mother were tested, including former classmates and colleagues and shopkeepers in the neighborhood. And just that would have known Giuseppe, the deceased bus driver, in the late sixties.

And they also that doesn't lead anywhere. They also interviewed people who knew him. But because it's this old school area in Italy, people won't fucking talk. No one's a rat.

You know, I would say all of Italy might be an old school area.

I mean, when you kind of look at it, it's it's the old country, really, where it's just like, yeah, we have a way of doing things.

Yeah. Just how I think. Yeah, for sure.

That from what. From the movies I've seen. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But essentially, you know, one person talks reluctantly and she names the woman that he had had an affair with in June of twenty fourteen. Her name is Esther.

Ah Zulfi. So Esther was a neighbor of Giuseppe's and Pontoise Silva in the late sixties in nineteen sixty six at nineteen. She had married her husband from a nearby village. But it's so sad. The husband is this quiet, reserved man. He had been orphaned at a young age. He had psoriasis and he was a depressed person. So he kind of was that personality type. But Esther is outgoing and lively and she wears short skirts, which is so taboo.

Then she dies her hair and she gets a job at the textile factory a few miles away and takes the bus to work every day.

Mm hmm. Esther denies the affair and had left Ponte Silva in nineteen seventy and then autumn of nineteen seventy. She gave birth to twin boys, a boy and a girl supposedly fathered by her depressed husband. But Perjuries team immediately check the DNA samples they have on file and find estás DNA had been tested. They had compared estás DNA to ya's DNA and not to the murder is DNA. So they go back and test her DNA and are able to confirm that she is the mother of the unknown one.

The murderer.

Oh my God.

Esther's son is Massimo Posetti. His middle name is Giuseppe. Like his secret father.

Oh yeah. Huh. He's now. Huh uh huh.

He's now forty two years old. He's a builder. And remember, the evidence on Ja's body speculated to come from a builder or someone in the construction field. He's married with three children. He lives in Sapelo, which is. A hamlet near Ja's hometown where the last signal from Yaara cell phone had been recorded the day of her disappearance. No, the dogs had followed that sent to that town. He lives there. Yeah. Yeah.

So he's there's really, you know, striking, you know, now that we know who he is. Scary photo of him. He's the slim short man. He's got these piercing, like blue eyes like yours, and he's got this peroxided Goetze like pencil, goatee and my like yours.

He loves to party. He's nicknamed the animal by his friends if he or to be played by someone. And like this is just the first thing that came to my mind. But like an older Aaron Carter is what I got.

Oh, OK. So he's kind of like chiseled face, like he's classically good looking. Aaron Carter oh, Aaron Carter from the band no, Aaron Carter, yes, from Backstreet Boys is little brother.

Little brother.

Sorry, I thought you meant Aaron it was like to you, but Aaron Eckhart, thank you.

Aaron Eckhart. Joe Carter from the early 2000s, and he was like dating Ashlee Simpson or whatever, I was drunk facedown in a ditch somewhere, I was there for none of that.

I'm so sorry. I'll tell you this. There's there's traces of meth in that face.

OK, Aaron in Italian, Aaron Eckhart, who couldn't look more Danish or something like, you know, Nordic.

I don't I want you to look at the photo now because you probably have someone better. But that's just the first thing I saw because you spoke up then. So Jerry is like, fuck, yeah, we got this murderer on June 15, 20, 14. The way that they get him as they set up a fake roadblock with breathalyzer tests in the town and her police and the police stop Mossimo, and they pretend that the machine, the breathalyzer test doesn't work the first time.

So they get they test him twice. So they get two good samples. They send it for overnight testing. And the results show that he's an exact match for unknown one. He is the killer of Yaara. Wow. Mossimo BCT.

So the afternoon of the confirmed match, military police go to the construction site where Mossimo is working. They arrest him. And the Italian minister of internal affairs announces the arrest on Twitter. But I think it's just this huge news. Mossimo has no prior criminal record. He claims he's innocent. He says that the DNA is fabricated. And his wife makes a statement that her husband was home with her and her kids the night of the murder, having dinner.

But phone records show that Massimo's phone was present in Ja's town on the night of her disappearance and had been switched off at five forty five, which is a short time before she disappeared. And it wasn't turned on again until seven forty three the next morning. Oh, wow. Yeah.

So for Treasury, the arrest is this huge success for her. It had been four years of investigative work and she had endured a shit ton of criticism, including sexism for alleged incompetence. And now she's celebrated for her brilliance. Massimo's trial starts in the summer of twenty fifteen a year after his arrest. And according to prosecutors, they had found Internet searches on Massimo's computer for child pornography. But the Reddit community and bloggers say that's not true. And after a year long trial, Massimo's found guilty and sentenced to life in prison.

And the fallout for this case is crazy. Esther Estás, husband, Jeanny, estrus the mother of this illegitimate child. She hit the husband, gets diagnosed with cancer and finds out that none of his three children are biologically his own.

And then Giuseppe's widow, Laura, is also shocked to find out that her late husband, father, children while having an affair. So this like destroys families. Massimo's twin sister takes the brunt of public hate. She's literally beat up twice. Oh, my God.

Her brother is a killer, which is horrendous. And Esther, Massimo's mother, still denies that she's ever been unfaithful to her husband. She just won't. She's like now, I mean, look, what once you're at that point is she is she's probably in that position where she's like all she can do is do denial is admitting it opens the floodgates to worst case scenario. And Massimo's wife is still by her side.

She totally denies that he had anything to do with it as well. And his family, meanwhile, has remained totally private. His mother created a gymnastics trophy that's named after Urara to give out to what would have been fellow gymnasts. Ja's buried between her two grandparents in a cemetery just across the road from her gym, and her headstone has a photograph of her. She's wearing a white bandanna and she looks, you know, like a young gymnast. She's adorable.

And all around the grave are mementos that are left by her friends, including gym shoes, rag dolls and little friendship bracelets that they all left for her. And that is the murder of 13 year old Yaara Gambir Rossio. Unbelievable twists and turns, wow, twists and turns, but also how they they did in those that detective and that that prosecutor did an amazing job. Yeah. So yeah, little Rosaire.

She was forward thinking. She was super smart. And yeah, it's pretty incredible that she was able to find the killer with not a lot to go on. Yeah.

Amazing job. Well that's great. Yeah. Right. Thank you. Thanks. So I'm going to start mine with a hometown email, so I'm looking on my phone one night on the couch and I stumble on to basically like the crime blotter of a California newspaper. I can't remember which one now, but it basically was just kind of like this.

Here's this case, this case, this case. And we just basically have a paragraph. And I just started taking pictures of the paragraphs with the information in them because I was like I could get I could do murders out of these just these like paragraphs. One of them was about a woman in the mid 80s, I think it was nineteen eighty eight. And her body was found in West Petaluma in a in the in a trough in a field. And they ended up finding two men murdered her and they found both of them.

Wow. Yeah I know it took till the mid 2000s to find the killers, but when DNA came around they found them and they went to jail.

So there was a bunch of these little like snippets, stories of these cases that I had never heard of where I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, these are good. So this is from but internet search. I did. But then Jay found this email from a murderer named Christina. Ah. And she wrote in, this is a very long email. So, Christine, I'm sorry, I did definitely edit you down. This thing goes to the great writer can tell a story, but basically we're going to get into it this way.

Being born and raised in Las Vegas, there aren't a ton of hometown murders that haven't already received a fuck ton of media attention. But my mom told me a story when I was little that has stuck with me for nearly 20 years. And it wasn't until I discovered your fucking awesome podcast that I decided to reach out to her and verify that it was real and not just some man story she made up to keep me from running around alone after dark as a kid.

It turns out every bit of it was true and she was more than happy to give me all the grisly, grisly details now that I'm older.

In 1981, about a year before my parents were married, my dad and his best friend got new hunting rifles. They needed to get the rifles excited before they could take them out hunting. So they decided to go to an area in the desert on the outskirts of town near Lake Mead, where people are allowed, where people are allowed to go shooting a safe distance away from the city.

My mom and her friend, my dad's buddy's wife, decided to bring along their pistols and do target practice while the guys did their manly rifle bullshit.

They shot most of the beer. I know, right? Just go shoot in the desert. Hell, yeah. They all drove out together in the same car and the guys went off on their own with their rifles. My mom and her friend were then alone near a ditch and decided to set up a row of cans along the edge to shoot at. My mom's friend was setting up, but she immediately stopped and walked back over to my mom with what was described as, quote, the weirdest look on her face.

All the friends said, was there somebody down there? When my mom started to casually suggest that it might be someone else out there hiking or something, her friend grabbed her arm and said, no, you have to come and see this. When my mom went over to the ditch and looked down, she saw the body of a girl lying on her back, her legs crossed and her arms resting above her head. The creepiest part was that her dress had been pulled up over her head, covering her face and exposing her from the waist down from where they stood.

They could tell that she was a child.

Naturally, my mom and her friend proceeded to freak out because this was the age before cell phones. They had to wait for their dudes to come back to show them what they found. And again, because of no cell phones, they knew that someone would have to actually drive back into town to get the police. Somehow it was decided that the friends would take the car and return to the with the police while my mom and dad had to stay next to the ditch to make sure that no one came along and disturbed the body.

In the meantime, it began to get dark while they waited. My mom said that because both of them were so scared, they kept laughing uncontrollably out of sheer nervousness. Hello. Romantic, right?

Because they were on a date. They were like, oh yeah, it was like a hang up. Eventually the cops show up and do their CSI song and dance. They told my mom's friend she may eventually be needed in court if and when the killer is caught. Flash forward six goddamn years to 1987. The case of the girl my mom and her friend found was still unsolved. But the girl had been identified as twelve year old Sheila Jo Christer.

It was still unsolved, though they did know that she had been raped and strangled to death.

Oh, my God. So I'm going to stop there in the email at the end of the email, but I'm going to stop there and I'm going to start.

Sorry, Steven. Good, good start. Intrigued. Horrified.

So now it's nineteen eighty seven and I'll just say the sources for this murder pedia, the L.A. Times SSF Gay.com, which I love by the way is such a good website and they have so much true crime stuff.

AP News and all the way from Placerville, California, the mountain Democrat, what's up Mountain Democrat?

OK, so it's Thursday, May 14th, 1987, and 69 year old Maybelle MABS Martin is the owner of the Showcase Finishing and Modeling School in Reno, Nevada.

Oh, what a time and a place to be alive. The idea in the late 80s, remember when like the Barbizon School of Modeling, like, you know, all that stuff kicked up in the late 80s, being a model became a thing that was like right within your reach.

If you could train to be a model or look like one that was just look like it was their tagline, it's like.

Yeah. And so MABS Martin opened up the showcase finishing and modeling. Sure. You know, but she wasn't she was she was a visionary. She wasn't just jumping on the trend. She had been running this agency for years. Her client list included 1960s Miss America Linda Lee Mead and the actress Donna Douglas, who went on to play Ellie May Clampitt in The Beverly Hillbillies. Well, sure. So, yeah, MABS was a starmaker. Yeah, Silentium.

So you actually and basically she is on Thursday, May 14th, she's holding an audition for an anti-drug commercial. So the man that's in charge of the shoot he's introduced introduced himself to her as a producer and he's from Georgia. His name is Mark, and he arrives to the audition dressed in a really nice suit. He's got business cards for his production company. He's a total pro.. Yeah. So Matt MABS loves this idea that she could be getting some of her girls into an anti-drug commercial.

She's a member of Mothers Against Drunk Driving and she's very against drugs. This was like late eighties.

This was Prime Dare. Dare was invented. Nancy Reagan was Nancy Reagan thing that they're getting all up into everyone's business. Right. But also, the first time I was offered pot when I was a freshman in high school, I burst into tears because of my indoctrination to the dare to keep children off drugs and send me. And I remember my friend's older sister being like, but you're fine drinking. Drinking is fine with you.

But this and I was like, it's drug.

It's almost like it's almost like they brainwashed us into thinking drugs are bad as a way to separate just poor people and mass incarceration of black people.

That's right. So she mabs thinks this is a good cause, but she also thinks it's an amazing opportunity because would that could be a nationwide commercial. She could really get one of her girls in and have them break big like she had with Elliott Clampett. So she brings in a selection of her best young models to audition. And Mark chooses the two he wants to cast. Fourteen year old Alicia Toma from Reno and twelve year old Monica Birju from Sparks, Nevada.

So the shoot is set for two days later that Saturday morning. And Mark and MABS make a plan to meet in the parking lot of the nugget, which is the casino in South Lake Tahoe. Right.

It's the big one you see off Highway fifty when you're coming into South Lake Tahoe. So once these plans are set, Mark leaves and maps calls the two young ladies to let them know that they got this video, I guess she would call it.

Yeah, she makes arrangements to drive the two girls to the shoot. And she also asks her friend, sixty seven year old Dorothy Doddy Walsh, to come along for the ride. So it's an hour away from they live in Reno. South Lake Tahoe is an hour drive. So she's basically like, come with us and yeah, make a day of it. So in the morning of Saturday, May 16th, Alicia and Monica arrive at MABS home at seven forty five in the morning.

They get into her Chrysler Fifth Avenue. They all go right. You can just see all of it.

And also, Matt MABS is exactly what you think she looks like. She's she almost looks like a character on Falcon Crest. Yeah.

Like really put together older lady with like a an outfit that be like a skirt with a matching jacket and then a little hapa big old shoulder pads, a nice coral lipstick that's like overdesigned overline, mouth coral lipstick.

Yeah. I'm still working it. She works it on the daily. Yeah. Daytime Perles and nighttime patrols and during her daytime. Yeah.

She's about women being beautiful. Yeah. Why not. Just beautiful says Apre putting words in her mouth. Embrace her.

Let go of the rest of it and just be beautiful. OK, so. So they get into the Fifth Avenue, they swing by, they grab Dottie Walsh and they start their hour long drive to South Lake Tahoe, Masa's told. And Monica's parents that she expected they'd be home around 12, 30 the same day.

So this was just go shoot this thing, come back and almost all takes place in the morning, not even into the afternoon, but when the afternoon rolls around and no one is back yet and they haven't heard from anybody at the girls families call the police. And unlike almost every other story we ever tell on the show, the Reno police immediately begin the search for the missing girls and women. Immediate good.

This is the turnaround of this crime is so fast, it's mind boggling. So for the next three days, the Reno in South Lake Tahoe authorities, they work with seven other California and Nevada law enforcement agencies to scour the South Lake Tahoe area for the four missing people. Wow. Which is like when does that ever happen?

They get they basically call get everyone involved, including the FBI, like the FBI in on day one. Everybody gets called immediately.

Is that the South Lake Tahoe is on the California side and the Reena's on the Las Vegas side. I mean, the I'm sorry, Reena's on the Nevada side. So out of sight. Yeah.

I mean, they must. Yes. Because they're so close that they're probably used to working across state lines. It's not as big of a deal as in some places.

But I would say that the story we usually hear is where the city where the people are missing from. They don't let people come into their jurisdiction and it gets very like territorial. And it seems like the way this story goes, South Lake Tahoe PD and FBI just were like, everybody come and help us now. And that's the reason this this is a three day story as opposed to. Yeah. So Bravo, South Lake Tahoe PD and FBI. But in Reno, feds, they they get every Reno Reno's there, too, OK?

They start contacting other modeling agencies in the area to see if anyone has heard of this man or know anything about the man allegedly producing this quote unquote, anti-drug video. And they they get a lot of hits. A lot of these young women, they get brought in and interviewed and they remember a weird guy trying to recruit models for some, say, an anti-drug video. Some say a drug rehabilitation video.

So it sounds don't know if the story always was consistent. A makeup artist named Jane Wadsworth, who worked at Reno's Avians Profile Modeling Agency. I checked that twice because I'm like Avians. Sounds like it's a bird modeling agency.

It's just like, let's make sure we have the most beautiful cockatoos and look at this gorgeous parakeet.

It doesn't do drugs either. So this makeup artist who worked at one of the modeling agency has told police that they had turned the man down because, quote, he was not the kind of person we want to do business with.

He was very shady, shaky and sweaty. Oh, God. Smelled bad.

Yeah, he smelled bad. He never looked me in the face. She also reports that he seemed to get nervous when they mentioned that they're models who are minors, are underage, are always required to have their parents on shoots with them. And so that like this, his reaction to that news and her realized that this was not somebody they needed to work with, but authorities. Big break comes when one of the young models who auditioned at MABS studio says she remembers the man and he stood out to her because she found him especially weird.

So she made it a point to memorize his license plate.

Oh, my. One of the children. Yes, one of the young girl models who was also clearly a high power murderer.

You know, where in eighty seven today where she's standing ovation.

Standing ovation. Thank God she didn't write it down. She memorized it. So she told them it was a vanity plate. This is how it was easy to memorize. It was a vanity plate that read something like TV teen. Yeah. So when the officers take that and look at up there, they don't find a match. There's no plate like that in in California or Nevada records.

But then one of the investigators realizes that there is a car dealership in South Lake Tahoe called Tibetan. It's spelled TVE e t e et.

So it's essentially jumbe a word jumble, same phrase her brain like a picture of it.

And then a couple of the letters got mixed up. But she was right and right.

I am. But she was right. That is amazing.

She was right. And also it was that thing where that guy is weird. I'm just going to I'm going to clock his license plate and then she gets it.

I mean, like, it's amazing the tech blown away. So good the detective who also made the connection where it's like, OK, it might not be that exact thing, but it could be this, they go down to that car dealership and they speak to the owner who tells them he had actually loaned a dealership license plate to his friend, 28 year old Herbert Cottington, however.

So you pervert it, right? They also show him a sketch of Mark, the producer, based on the descriptions given by the models that they interviewed.

And this guy looks at it and says, yeah, that's my friend Herb. Oh, no. So, Mark, the producer is not a real person. It's Herb Cottington.

OK, so all of that is enough to get the police an arrest warrant and they take it and track down Herb Cottington most recent address. So on May 18, 1987, the police and the FBI arrive at Herb Boddingtons double wide trailer. They knock on the front door and instead of answering, all the lights go out. This is this is the evening time.

So the police pull back. They, like, reassess of like that's not good. I think somebody ended up calling inside to try to talk to him and then they eventually just decide they break the door down inside. Herb Cottington is immediately and very easily taken down, even though there's tons of weapons inside this double wide.

They they break down the bedroom door and they find Alicia and Monica locked inside alive, scared to death, definitely traumatized, but alive.

Oh, my God.

Then they the police and the FBI go into the other bedroom on the other side and find the bodies of MABS and Dottie wrapped in garbage bags laying on the floor. They've both been murdered.

So the two older ladies are murdered and the two children are alive in a closet. Holy shit.

Yes, it's not a closet. It's a bedroom that he is covered in carpeting. So essentially he's soundproofed one of the bedrooms in his double wide. Yeah. So Herbert Cottington immediately taken into custody and charged with kidnapping and murder. Aleesha and Monica are reunited with their parents, but police bring them in to ask them what happened and, you know, basically tell their stories. So this is what the girls tell them, that basically on their drive to South Lake Tahoe, it usually takes an hour.

But getting into Tahoe is like a pill, really windy. Monica got carsick. MABS had to pull over for her. So they they're a little bit late. They finally get to the nugget. Dottie waits with the girls inside the casino restaurant while MABS looks for Marc. They they meet up in the parking lot and Marc basically says we're going to go shoot in a park nearby. So let's I have the wardrobe. We can get the girls to come.

I have a place where they can change their clothes and we can stop there. And then we'll just go to this park and MABS notices that as opposed to how nice and professional he looked at the audition.

He now is wearing sweats and a t shirt and he's exceptionally sweaty and he smells, oh yeah.

Yeah. So they get into MABS car, all five of them, the all the women are in the front and Herb gets into the back seat with Lisa and Monica. Alicia makes no he smells and is sweaty and is like it's a bummer. He directs MABS to the Tahoe Verde Trailer Park and to one of the double wides. He has a park in the carport. He walks them into the trailer. He points to the room where he says the girls can change into their shoot wardrobe.

Once they're in that room, they see that the dressing room is actually a bedroom that's been soundproofed with plywood and carpeting.

So how incredibly creepy that feeling would be, that moment where your stomach drops and you're like, this is a this was a mistake.

Right? And this is a time like it's so easy for us to look back from twenty twenty and all the stories we know and all the stories we've all told each other and heard where it's like it's so typical. But, you know, back then this was still in that time where the a lot of people didn't know about stuff like this. So like the idea that somebody would be able to pose as a professional producer very believably could play that part.

And you would be like all along where it's like, why would you ever bring those girls anywhere but to a shoot like the place? I mean, yeah, there's so many wives now. Exactly. There's so many wives. But I, I, I don't I totally understand why these women went along with that, why the parents want it. Like it's just that was how it was back then. It was normal. It was totally how it was.

They had trust and no clue and yeah. It's you know and it could happen today and. You just absolutely have you make the wrong decision and you regret it. It doesn't mean. Yeah, and also MABS clearly had been doing it for a while. She knew her stuff. So but but the thing I think of is this in this moment, because what happens is when they're standing there looking before anyone can do anything or ask a question or say anything, Herb just punches Elisa.

He cold cocks her in the face and basically drops her. And immediately it's on like immediately he turns and starts beating these old women out there on the ground almost immediately. He then zip ties. He he ties up Alicia and Monica covers their heads with their jackets. So he's basically so they can't see what he's about to do. But Alicia can. She's only partially covered. So she sees everything. Oh, no. And essentially, Mark ties up mabs arms and legs and then he cinches an electrical cord zip tie around her neck and she's pleading for him saying it's too tight, I can't breathe.

And he's basically strangling her. So she very soon slumps over and then he moves on to Dottie, who's now begging for her life. And these girls witness all of this. He then proceeds to strangle Dottie with the zip tie as well.

Then he wraps both of those women's bodies in garbage bags and puts them in the master bedroom. Then he goes back to Alicia Monica in the guest room and asks if they're OK.

Alicia tells police he keep he kept asking us if our feet and hands were OK because he said he didn't want us going home without any fingers or toes.

Yeah.

So he locks them in this room and and he goes out into the living room and they can hear he's watching MTV and they're just sitting there waiting.

He comes back a little while later with a 45 caliber handgun with a silencer on it and tells the girls that if he wanted to kill them, he could have done it already and then says, because I have the silencer, then he gives them the weirdest dinner of all time, which is grapefruit, raisins and a jug of water. And then basically, like, leaves them for the night back.

Yeah. So the girls wake up the next morning and they can hear him grunting in in the living room. And it turns out that he's working out, I think I mean, not thank God, but Jesus.

It just just horrifying and also hears this will just up it one more. My least favorite detail in the story, not least there's so many to dislike, but he's cut out two eye holes in the door so that he doesn't have to open the door all the way.

He can just look in at them. Oh, my God, it's horrifying. So he basically lets them out into the living room and now he's got a beanie on and a turtleneck pulled up to hide his face. And he has a little bit of hair sticking out and it's been dyed orange. So clearly they think he's trying to change his appearance and he plays a Jane Fonda workout video and then they all work out to it.

So then he yeah, he then puts the girls back into the carpeted room and puts pillowcases over their heads. And this is a trigger warning for anyone. This very disturbing part of this story. The girls ask him if he's going to rape them and he says, no, he's actually they're just going to do a video shoot with a boy their age. Then he goes out to the living room and begins talking in two different voices, a deep voice like he's the director and then a high voice like he's the boy.

And the girls can't see because there's a pillowcase on their heads. And then he comes back into the room pretending to be the boy.

Charente, the most terrifying story I've ever heard in my life. Isn't it horrible? It's like I was thinking in the beginning. It was like Silence of the Lambs when she goes in and holds.

Yes, but it's worse. It's fucking worse. Yeah, it's horrible. So I keep going. Well, essentially, he goes back and pretends to be the boy and rapes both girls.

So, OK, so that's that's these two girls who are so unbelievably brave and like lived through this horrible thing, basically went in and just gave the police the beat by beat of how insane and crazy this whole attack and these murders were. So when the police interrogate her cottington, he almost immediately admits to killing Dotti and MABS. And he they say that he was when they burst in the door of his doublewide, he immediately started screaming, don't take me to jail, I'm sick.

But when he when they drove him to the police station, he he was completely normal. And if if anything, he they said he seemed excited to be getting the attention and he talked a ton and was telling them a bunch of stuff and was. Lucid in normal, so he's arraigned on May 20th, nineteen eighty seven, so I just think that timeline is insane because they broke into the doublewide on May 18th. It was like the day after.

It was two days after the day they were kidnapped. So they found them in 48 hours.

I mean, that's who knows what I mean, not who knows what would have happened if they hadn't found them. This guy is a murderer. He's a killer. And he's a child rapist. Yes. The fact that they found them so quickly probably saved their lives. The girls.

Absolutely. There's no there's no doubt about that for sure. And so he's arraigned on May 20th, nineteen eighty seven on two counts of murder and four counts of kidnapping, rape and sexual abuse. He pleads not guilty. OK, so but now he's in custody. So police run a background check on him and they find out that in 1984, he'd been arrested in Las Vegas, where he was a dealer. He was he got caught for cheating scam.

He'd been released on five hundred dollars bail. And that case was still pending. But then the police noticed that's like, oh, he he used to live down in Las Vegas.

So they call up the Las Vegas police and say, you might I don't know if you know this guy, but he we just caught him on like murder and child rape. And I don't know if there's anything you need to compare that to. And the Las Vegas police were like, can you take a cast of his teeth? And because he had not only snaggle teeth in the front, but a gap. And that was a bite mark that had been left on the body of a cold case victim, a 12 year old, Sheila Joe Kiester, which is the body from the email that someone sent in.

Holy fuck.

And they and we know that that dental dental impressions, impressions aren't 100 percent. They're not DNA evidence, they're not whatever.

But apparently his teeth were so, so distinctive that that it what they could they matched it to a bite on this little girl's body.

From this cold case, it feels like such good circumstantial evidence on top of a bunch of other circumstantial evidence that I don't see. Right. I don't know. It just adds to it. It adds to it. So that dental match, along with nineteen eighty one police sketch that an ex-girlfriend confirmed to police, matched her cottington appearance at the time that he lived in Las Vegas, gets him an additional charge for the murder of Sheila. Joe Kiester added to add it to the docket for him.

So his trial, they end up moving it from South Lake Tahoe to Placerville, California, because details of his crimes are so widely known in Tahoe in the Tahoe area. And they wanted to put together a jury that was untainted by the media and untainted by local rumors. What's funny to me is Placerville is not that far away from this area.

Yeah. So although it was kind of like the idea of it is fair, I don't think they were trying too hard to get things they did like a sidestep, but not like.

Yeah, right, exactly.

I can't I can't imagine the people in Placerville didn't know about this, but who knows? The defense for Herb Cottington goes with the insanity plea and Herb actually tells the jury he's been having he explains he's crazy because he'd been having fantasies about young, about basically being with young girls and that he thought God was giving him signs through traffic lights. So, like, if he had had one of those thoughts while he was driving and he got to a red light, that was God telling him not to act on the thought.

But then if he had the thought and came to a green light, that was God telling him to go for it. And he alleges that when he thought about kidnapping the two girls, he was driving and he encountered a series of green lights.

You know, it just doesn't sound like it. Anyway, the prosecution gets up and explains to the jury that Herb was lucid and stable when the police arrested and interrogated him and basically walked the jury through all of his very careful and extensively planned crimes, as well as his attempts to conceal his identity.

And the jury has been watching him this whole time and notes that he shows no signs of remorse or anything like like a person who snapped and lost it and went insane and killed two ladies would at least if that were the case, it would be like they'd be horrified or something.

There's no remorse. And he is just just basking in the attention he's getting in the courtroom. Wow. So they you know, he's. He kind of it's the thing with like he's the worst part of his own defense. Him the planning that took like making business cards and calling up multiple, like, modeling agencies to try. Oh, yeah. Like, that's so premeditated. And there's there's so many chances to back out of that plan. The you.

Yeah. That's not a good defense. No, no. It's it takes very clear thinking to make a plan and to trick all these people into, you know, I mean, clearly. So on January 20th, 1989, Herb Cottington is found guilty on all charges. Now, the entire time both of his parents have been at the court in the courtroom every single day of his trial. And during the sentencing, they know that he's going to get the death penalty, probably.

And so they do their best. They write letters trying to keep him from being sentenced to death. So this is a quote from the Placerville Mountain Democrat, which is there, the Placerville newspaper about Herbes mother writing a letter pleading for to give him a life sentence. Genevieve Cottington wrote, quote, If Herb is allowed to live, he could perhaps help other inmates to learn to read or write. I do not feel Herb has finished doing what God has intended him to do.

So Judge Finnie, who was the presiding judge over the case in open court, noted that the letter and others from parents caused him, quote, great emotional turmoil. And he said he found them to be, quote, wonderful, fine, decent people who truly believed their son was mentally ill. But Finnie saw things differently, calling Herb Cottington, quote, tremendously egocentric and totally self-centered and noted that he had rejected his parents religion. And when this suspected killer originally talked with law enforcement regarding the case, Finnie added from the bench during sentencing, there was no mention of God or any mental aberration.

That wasn't until later as an attempt to avoid the death sentence. He then told the court that what Herb Collington had done in the case before the bench was, quote, probably the most evil that I've ever been involved in. Wow.

Herb Cottington was sentenced to death and put on death row in San Quentin, and he remains there to this day. And that is the story of the murder of Sheila Jo, Christer, MABS Martin and Dottie Walsh.

Wow, that was amazing. Karen, great job.

Crazy. Yeah. Crazy, right? Yes. How I never heard never heard of anything close to it.

Never. But that reminds me so much of like I feel like those were our fears in the 80s. There were like people like that that existed and we are just kind of finding that out, you know.

Well and I, I think it's like that was the thing you heard about happening in L.A.. Right. Or a big city.

But like so I'm sure that was the other part of it being in Reno, the biggest little city in the world. It's not a huge it's not a metropolitan. I mean, it's the biggest city in that area.

But I don't think anyone would have had been able to anticipate any of that. Absolutely not.

Probably once again, under the guise this is the old trick I'm here to do, right? Yeah.

I'm here flying the flag of no drugs allowed everyone get on board. So, you know, and that was also like Moms' was like but I'm also going to bring my friend for safety, like I mean, like that was her. That was her safety. And the parents probably heard that that they were going like this responsible business owning woman who, you know, would hope they would hope have checked this person's background and everything. And they're bringing a friend.

It's all safe. Everything's fine. It's going to be a couple hours, you know.

Yeah. How it's only good news when you're on that. That's the people using, like, kind of moralistic stances or show business.

It's so easy to trick people with show business asses because everyone deep down is like, what if I got discovered?

I think that it people take it's so easy to exploit that that excitement and that mindset. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God damn it. Should we do fucking heroes. OK, what do you want me to go first. Go for sure. Yeah, go for it. OK, this one's from the fan forum and I swear to God this could be written by me in two weeks. This one is from hiking historian. It says the title is Fuck You Self-doubt.

For years I struggled with self-doubt and self-criticism high. I have never been very kind to myself. However, this covid quarantine mix with a mega dose of therapy has helped me to to start to break the cycle. I took a risk and bought a nice bike and I've begun distance cycling and I love it. My furthest ride so far is 18 miles. I'm also working on construction projects around my house. Well, I'm forced to stay here. I always believed I wasn't capable of doing handy things, but I've replaced a sink and I've painted multiple rooms.

I've had to face myself self doubt. I trying new things and being willing to look like an idiot or a fail, but I'm so damn proud of myself and what I've accomplished fucking. Nice.

That's great. I want that to be me in two weeks. That's amazing. Well, that reminds me of this one. This is really good. It's from Chase and it's a YFC. And Chase says, I've been off work for two weeks now and I hate lying around. So after a day or two, I decided to take up a new hobby I've been wanting to learn how to do for almost five years. I learned how to sew. I bought a sewing machine and fabric and started to sew masks and headbands to donate to local hospitals and nursing homes.

It's been nice to have something to do while sitting at home and be able to do my part in continuing this craze, in containing this crazy virus. Everyone stay home and stay safe.

That is love. That was actually on our Instagram account. I posted a couple a couple photos of some people, some Motorino makers who are post who are sorry. I posted some photos and links of some murdering lawmakers who've tagged us, who are making masks. And then I had everyone in the comments post what they're doing, mask wise or otherwise, and where people can help them out with with fabric or with money or with, you know, they can team up.

I don't know. So that's on our Instagram, too, which is just so awesome that so many people are doing that. So many makers.

Saiman So this one is by totes booked on the fan court forum. My fucking horror is that I'm alive. I was listening to Episode two 16 of Mepham while taking a shower a few days ago when I lost consciousness and hit my head pretty badly on my old school cast iron tub.

I never thought a podcast would help save my life, but listening to you guys talk helped me focus when I regained consciousness and gave me a pretty good timestamp of how long I was out for. The last thing I remember before I felt was you guys talking about Netflix and Tiger King and woke up and woke up to talk about dead flowers in a bathroom. They don't know why I fainted, but I'm still alive. And it's kind of a miracle. I managed to only get a six inch gash and twelve stitches to the back of my skull, but it could have been so much worse.

Stay sexy and don't let your bathtub murder you, Kristen. God, Kristen, I assume we're glad you're OK. And also, she had to go get stitches. Yeah, I'm like this. Totally even worse. Terrible, terrible. Good. I'm glad that turned out OK.

So this is from like it's all one thing because it's from the fact Dana and OKC, they say, wanted to share my fucking her. I subscribe to our YouTube channel, Baumgardner Restoration, which is usually some chill guy restoring beautiful pieces of art while narrating in a very calm voice and in parentheses, really useful these days. I'm so useful, Dana, that I'm writing that down because that sounds like a dream. OK, so back to this. Last week, he found out a company in China that he usually purchases supplies from had turned all of its manufacturing towards making.

And ninety five masks. He decided to purchase a bunch of masks to donate to local health care workers and share to go fund me with his subscribers in case anyone wanted to help him buy more. His initial goal was six thousand dollars. I donated when it would add just surpassed 8000 and the day ended at twenty eight thousand dollars. Oh my God. Yeah. In three days people had donated over sixty two thousand dollars. That just gave me chills.

All the masks will be donated to hashtag get p e Chai, a grassroots organization of medical workers in Chicago working to distribute donated protective equipment to the health care workers on the front lines that need them. I know this is just a drop in the face of the sea of issues these days, but it was really lovely seeing such an overwhelming outpouring of support. Hope everyone is safe and sane. I love that. That's beautiful. I love everything about that message.

I love it. This one's from Instagram. It's by Grace Bouchard. My fucking her is the group of badass teachers I work with. I am a special ed teacher at an elementary school, and I am proud to say that I work with caring teachers who are less concerned about students completing math problems and more worried about our kids emotional well-being, quality of their home lives and those who own whose only meal is the hot lunch they get for free at school.

Within a few days, systems were set up to reach out to our students and their families, virtually deliver food via school bus drivers, and even set up free hot spots and homes so students could have Internet access. Our jobs now are so much more than distance learning and posting assignments online. Yes, we come to school to teach, but we also come for our students who need that morning hug or even just eye contact. And we have started to find a way to connect while still social distancing.

Yeah, that's lovely. Thank you, teachers. Everything you're doing. Thank you, teachers. I feel like if there was ever a thing that was going to help people understand how cutting education funding in this country has devastated all of us, this is the kind of thing where it's just like what people are doing every day in their homes with their kids. Now they're realizing that they've made it so teachers can barely make a living. And they do that every day with their kids.

And there's nothing better. It's just the best firsthand thing of like. Don't you think these people deserve to make more money than than so little money that they have to get second jobs, which is what my sisters had to do for the majority of her career. Yes. Well, this one's just simple, but I like it. It's from Jill age. My fucking her day to day was my husband and I randomly pulling into our neighbor's yard, blasting Hall and Oates and having a random physical distancing dance party for two minutes.

And then we left. The smiles were well worth it.

Keep dancing. I love it. I love it. I love it.

There's a video I retweeted on my Twitter of a lady who is from her front porch with a megaphone yelling to her friends standing in the street going, When this is all over, I want to have a drink with everybody and hug people and touch people and have the best like this.

Oh, it's the sweetest. And it's like it's so true. Yeah.

As awful as all this is, it's giving people a true sense of what's important, what has been ripped out of your hands in quote unquote normal life that you don't that you want back so bad.

It's not meetings and it's not, you know, the rat race.

It's like looking at people in the face and being able to talk to them.

Definitely. I miss hugging my friends so much and hugging random murderousness. We meet the last time I met someone who listens to the podcast and told me, was that a makeup store? She was working and I couldn't hug her because it was the beginning of a pandemic and it felt so wrong. It was just like, I'm not supposed to just say hi to you and walk away. I want to hug you and like, have a connection. And I just.

You couldn't do it. I missed those connections.

Yeah, because it send us your send us your fucking harras on Instagram or Twitter or email or phone calls or whatever the fuck you feel.

Oh. So it's really nice that people that are sending in the detailed ones about, about getting through because we just want to repeat it so that other people can hear your stories of how you're making it work. Totally, because it's legitimately helping me. It helps me when I see people on social media talking about what they're doing, what they're watching, how they're talking to people. Yeah, I think I already talked well, maybe talk to them. And he said, but my friends and I that normally have like an in-person obviously game night.

We all got on that app house party and had a game night on house party. And it was so hilarious. And when I hung up, like I felt high from it, it was like, this is like, oh, and it's like, oh yeah.

Because I haven't talked to anyone for days. I mean, it really matters and it really helps you.

So definitely any little thing. Yeah.

How you're getting through and what your, what your extenuating circumstances are and we want to hear it.

Yeah. And but mostly stay sexy and don't get murdered by.

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