This is exactly right. What's up, Boston? Oh, fuck, fucking night three, oh, my dream. I like to show three oh, yeah, no, I feel a little insane. Oh, I'm absolutely over the edge for sure. We've done five nights in a row, right?

I don't know. It's been a crazy week, my dress smells so bad, I can't even if it smells were colors, I would look like Pigpen right now for sure.

There would just be a cloud.

It's one of those aura photos like I'm so mysterious and I just think I stink. Stink eye undergarments are begging for mercy.

Here's the thing is, if you want to start like a side business, figure out a way to make Spanx deodorized in some way, because you know those ladies on the road and we know there's a lot of us out there, you can just wash your shit all the time now.

And I personally think watching something in a hotel sink is grosser than just wearing it five days in a row.

It's hard to tell. Hard to tell. But I did you know, I didn't tell you this, but we got we when we were in New York, we got hotel rooms that had like separate bathtubs, which is like my the only way I'll take a bathtub if there's not a shower, just rinsing other people's bodies into it. Well, you know, I learned the bathtub is the same fucking thing because when I got out of the first night, I didn't think about it.

I know you don't need to explain. All right. Came out with someone else's body glitter all over my body. Plasticware swear someone went to a fucking rave or something. And I like Rebecca Romayne and she played that one part and that one movie, Sparkle Blue Sparkle, came out and I was like, I didn't put anything sparkly in the bathtub.

That's hilarious.

Never again would if someone got a hotel room just so they could fill a bathtub with sparkles and then get get into it. Then I want to be their best friend. Right. My family won't let me be myself. I go into New York City and have an anonymous bathtub experience. Yeah, that's really funny. They up until that point, you thought that the bathtubs were very sterile. I know.

Sterile environment.

No, I know. I feel foolish. What are you going to do? Look, listen. This is how we learn.

Yeah. And grow. Yeah, that's right. Slogan number one. Keep your eyes peeled for all the other ones. If we're doling out advice to traveling women, may I send. We are and we always are. That's the point of this show. I would suggest having a hard core homework podcast so that you don't have time to get drugs and alcohol while you're on the road because you're sitting in your hotel room working on a story that you've changed five times in an hour.

Poor Stephen. Stephen, can you get me pictures at.

We've done it. He's not here simply because he can't leave his he can't deal, you can't work with us on the road. We're insane literally every five minutes. Never mind. I can't do that. It's fucking horrible. Can I do this one instead to check with him to make sure the other one's not doing it? Wait for the OK, you get the OK and then you change your mind immediately. Yeah. Just keep asking and asking. Yes.

For poor Stephen. He likes cats and he likes George's cats and that's about it. You know, sometimes we're like I really love looking at crime scene photos and Karen does. And some people do and some people don't. Well, he just has to. Yeah. Look at photos for us to pull for the live shows. It's very sad. It's so sad. Just like you just realize bathtubs are dirty. I just realized how sad life is for Steven because of a.

Too bad we don't pay him. It's all volunteer, he's like our intern. It's not true, just like how Vince was like people always say to me, like, it's so nice that you help them out on the road. It's like I get paid motherfuckers. We pay them. I'm like, husband, do this thing from coming. Hire you because we're going to ask a lot of you. Exactly. And we don't want to feel bad about it.

We'll pay you more than average so that you do way more than expected.

But we're having a great time. This is not complaining. No. God seems like it's important to say. I wonder if I should tell my story from last night.

OK, first, let's take a look at some outfits, because we didn't do this last night and it was absolutely heartbreaking when we realized it afterward. I think the only important thing I have a dress on those cheap shoes. Everyone knows this by now. But let's talk about your dress. Well, OK. I thank you.

Oh, thank you. No, don't. You don't have to. Thank you so much.

I ordered this randomly off of Land's End, which is a catalog that actually cuts clothes for people who wear clothes like a human people, human people who wear clothes, not like hanger bodies, not hanger bodies, not teens, just a lady, maybe a lady who's got her own farm in upstate New York.

I don't know the person that just wants to be a butt. So I ordered this dress and I was like, that's pretty patterned.

That's fun. And then it came. I tried it on. Miraculously, it fit. I was just like, God damn you, Lanson, thank you so and established in 1860 for whatever.

And then as I'm trying it on, I'm like, what do we have here?

It was like my birthday surprise from Land's End, they were all sewn there, was sewn, you know, sometimes they do that for I don't know why. So no one gets in there before you do. It's like all sewn up. But I was like when I was like, oh, my God, look at the how deep those pockets of Saudi as a hunger strike. It's like they knew that the Marju owns a farm upstate.

It's not going to go to what you know, wherever she's going to wear this dress to and not need pockets. Yes, we all need fucking pocket pockets. And, you know, someone sent us this. But I love this idea that they stopped putting pockets in women's clothes because they didn't want them to carry concealed weapons.

Yeah, that's what I heard. It might be a rumor, ladies, but I love it. It really is carrying concealed weapons. Yeah. Tell your story from last night. OK, so let's see. Last night at the end of last night, last night, we did two shows here which were both amazing.

You guys are amazing crowds here in Boston. Yeah. So good, we've seen you write a riot over sports, so we were kind of nervous that people are going to get mouthy, but everyone's been amazing. And so just they've really been great, great shows. But of course, after the second meet and greet and, you know, we left her, you know, after midnight, whatever we get home first, we go through the drive through at Kelly's.

You guys, Jesus, why don't we have I mean, I live out here. I got a fucking. Yes, you did it. You know what? Talk about your order. No. OK. It was really good.

But I was telling these guys I had bad dreams afterwards. You can't just eat a big handful of roast beef at like 1:00 a.m. and then be like, everything's fine, good. It's like bad thing. Bad things happen. You're in it. We were escaping. We're escaping things, Larry. That was very, very real and scary. Yeah, we were escaping roast beef.

There was a roast roast beef, tidal wave like the molasses flood. But roast beef. Oh, yeah.

So we're like, right. We finally get to the hotel. We split up our food and we're walking through and we all say, good night. These guys get off on a floor under mine. I get off on the floor and then I'm walking down the hall and I hear the pitter patter of little feet behind me. And I'm like. If this is someone that was at the show, so I just start running, I was I was so fucking close, I was like 15 feet away from bed and roast beef and, like, feet up.

And I hear them running to, oh, no chasing you. So I stop and turn around and they'll stop. It's like four girls. They go like this, like from this show, I, I assume they could have been staying there and just having some fun. I don't know what was going on, but I just went and I went into my room. Maybe I'll meet you at a later date, but fuck no. Am I going to talk to you right now?

Oh, my God. You have French fries getting cool. My eyes were bright red. I couldn't feel my feet anymore. I was just it was I was so tired. I have the light flu. No, it's fine that maybe I shouldn't have told that story.

It seems very. It seems very. Mariah Carey. Ninety nine. I didn't that's not how I meant it. But this isn't this is my favorite murder. Yeah. This is the podcast. My. That's Karen Kilgariff. That's Georgiade Start. Yes, we're very, very happy to be here with you.

Very happy to be happy and especially not like how Brooklyn was serving canned wine at the live show that got loud because. Did you guys know that in a can of wine? Here's a fuckin insider tip. It says it on the fucking can. It's two and a half glasses of wine. It's not a can of wine and like a can of beer. And they didn't tell anyone that. Yeah, it got drunk the part of the show.

And Vince has a theory that when they make a drink, this special where it's like the my favorite murder can of wine or people are like, well, I want and mean like everyone just going like I wouldn't normally. But give me for cancellations, please.

I'm going to go off tonight. It's happening. Yeah. She was in town.

Let's do it. You guys, how cute is this table at the table? It's tiny, it's just the littlest table. It's a team. This table is a set piece from the new PBS series, The Miniaturist.

You may have seen it when you guys came here, probably for The Price is Right Live.

That was here in Brazil. Have to get information about it. We haven't signed up, found out about any of the blinco there. I don't know if people want actual money. Where did somebody drive a car onto the stage? Can't happen. That would be the best. The huge wheel, did they have a miniature size of the huge wheel and maybe the tables days we pull this off and it's got all the numbers. One dollar.

Who goes first? OK, tell them what this is. This is a true. Oh, this is a true.

This is the same line if you want it. This is a this is a true crime comedy podcast.

We like to warn people because we also should define sometimes there are people that come to these shows with people who really like the podcast. They've never heard of the podcast before.

We like to call those people drag along so they don't know what's going on. They're just trying to be supportive of their friend or mates. They got offered free dinner and then like, fine, fine, I'll do with this thing with you that you keep talking about that I don't understand. And I'll sit next to you while you cry and do weird shit. We thank you for doing that.

We thank you for being here supportive. But we do want to warn you that this is a true crime comedy podcast. So we're talking about murder. We're talking about death. We're talking about the darkest, worst shit that society has to offer. But we also are do it in a comedic way so we make jokes and make each other laugh while we do it. And sometimes that can be kind of a difficult combination for people who don't understand or might not want to give us the benefit of the doubt.

So for those people who are offended by that combination, you should probably get the fuck out right now.

That's all in. And we say that with so much love and thoughts and prayers. Yes. So many thoughts and prayers which heals everything. Did you hear was a woman last night who who didn't get the fuck out. She stayed even though that her friends who dragged her along told her that this was a murder mystery show.

It's just like murder mystery theater, just come it just so much. We walk out there, like I said, those are the costumes for what era is the set in? I don't understand. Am I going to get tapped on the shoulder and then I have to go and then I fall over dead and someone else who is murder. Are we solving. And what is a podcast. Exactly. You're saying it's on my phone. It's already there. I don't know.

I don't like to tap buttons too much. It's icky.

So what we're saying is. Welcome. Welcome.

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Yeah, I landed on a great one, meaning a horrible one, but, wow, I had never heard of it, but I it got to it through a lot of horror beforehand of I can't talk about that in front of all these people. One of those. Sure. You guys have a lot to lose here.

Yes. Thank you.

Really no shortage of horrible things happening in the state of Massachusetts like like the spelling of your state.

Seriously, dude, how many Ts and CS you people go? All the S's. Jesus Christ, you can have them.

But this one is one of those ones that I hate and love because it's such a time and place.

It's takes place in the late 70s when everything was great.

Go outside, go play, tell it's dark, you know, show up your doors, everything's fine. And then this thing happens and it changes everything forever. This is the murder of Mary Lou Aruda. Yeah, totally. This is the one I landed on because fuck, all right. OK, so there's this town called Raynham Raynham.

I wrote it as Rain Hame. Is it Raynham? OK, Raynham, listen now.

Esveld ready for this? Yes.

I kn that sounds like your yoga teacher's name that y doesn't need to be in there. She's vegan, you know it. So Raynham Raynham is a town in Bristol.

You're right. Are you just going to pronounce it both ways. The whole time I forgot. Well you see it phonetically.

You just say it even though it's wrong sometimes. Sure. And that's how you get a podcast, Worster.

Yeah, we've learned all your lessons now we're just scary.

Yeah, so it's in a town it's a town in Bristol County, Massachusetts, located just 30 miles south of Boston and 22 miles northeast of Providence, Rhode Island, where everyone keeps telling us to go back in the late.

What happened? You look like you're going to tell them when we were going to go and they were just like, no. Back in the late 70s, Raynham was a small, safe bedroom community with a population of about eight thousand people.

That's not a lot of people.

But then then an event occurred which changed life forever there, as it always fucking does in one resident said it was like someone ripped the canvas of the Norman Rockwell painting, which I think is like such a symbolic thing. OK, all right.

September 8th, nineteen seventy eight, about four p.m., 15 year old Mary Lou Aruda. She's a high school sophomore. We baby angel, she's on the cheerleading squad. Normal girl. She gets on her bike. It's an orange ten speed and she heads down the one mile ride from a friend's house toward her home along Dean Road. At the time, it was like a dirt road surrounded by beautiful forest. I'm sure it's turning into fall, you know, lovely, idyllic place.

About half an hour later, a boy finds her bike on that road and takes it home to her family's house. Like it's such a small town that it's like this is Mary Lou's bike. I'll take it there. And of course, her family's like, this isn't fucking right. I immediately called the police to report her missing.

Thankfully, Raynham Police Department aren't like police departments that we talk about all the fucking time that we're like.

I mean, she just ran away. Yeah. Thank God they weren't fucking like that. And this is actually a really interesting story because it really is a great example of how police should be they.

So Police Officer David Bonaparte, he immediately sounds the alarms when he when he hears what's going on.

Most police department at the time require at least twenty four hours before declaring a person missing. But Bonaparte was a rookie officer who hadn't even yet been to the police academy. And so he went against conventional wisdom immediately.

He just he was just like, you know what, I'm a cop, too. I've watched so many episodes of Baretta. I have this you guys. I have it. I don't know how that works, but that's what I read and I wrote it.

Then that's how we do it and that's how I do things. So here's quick reaction, along with the action of the rest of the police department and a lot of people think ended what could have been a long career of a potential serial killer within minutes of Mary Lou's abduction, then chief Peter King. So Chief King, he's the chief and the king. Yeah, I've got so much shit for that. He and his department preserve the crime scene on that fucking dirt road.

They go there, they gather evidence that probably wouldn't have been around the next day because, you know, drivers and all of this stuff. So they they got photos of the tire tracks. So they're next to where her bike was found. There were a tire track that look like an accelerated away. So they get photos of the tire tracks and they note that the tire tracks show abnormal wear pattern. And also nearby they find a Benson and Hedges cigarette butt.

Those are the kind my mom used to smoke.

Oh, Benson and Hedges lights one hundreds. And we'd walked out of the store and buy them for her. How much do they cost? You remember, we just it was probably three bucks or something.

Whatever she put into our hand, it's their money. This is that time. This is that time. This is the exact time.

It's also the same time that that Aja says that's our corner store was a mile away and they also had a gas pump out in front. And that's usually where we got gas. And I remember one time my mom was the guy came out to pump the gas and my mom kind of like looked and then she rolled up the window and lit a cigarette at the gas pump.

And she's like, here's how I'll solve the safety of the exterior issue of blowing us up.

Jeez, you just you just fucking hotbox my mom's Benson and Hedges lights. One hundred children inside of it. Yeah. Yes. Oh, the olden days.

So much better than. No, they weren't. They were terrible. It wasn't good. Um, it was great for adults. They could do whatever the fuck they want and they partied like fucking crazy. They did. All right. So they also found a cigarette butt. They picked that fucking thing, a note, you know, they're like on it. And they're also able to immediately get statements from several witnesses who had been driving in the area.

And they reported seeing a green car with black racings a black racing stripe driven by a man with dark curly hair and dark rimmed glasses.

He drove they saw him drive by multiple times. A few people did. And they also saw that car driving away. Someone was like, I saw something bulky in the passenger seat. So they think that that's a person who abducted Mary Lou.

An extensive search is conducted for three days in the area where she was last seen, including hundreds of police dogs searches. So they're fucking searching the wooded. Areas on September 10th, police circulate a wanted poster containing the sketch of the driver and a description of the bright green car couldn't find the sketch anywhere, which fucking sucks because I just want to see that. And I wanted Stephen to have nightmares for days. What if we just are telling Steven to look up like surgery photos?

Steven, can you get me a picture of a brain being dissected? It's personal. I need it for the show. You know, I don't actually need it. Just airdrop it to me. So then on September 13th, police get information about a dude and along with that dude, a photo and they're like, oh, shit, this guy looks just like the composite sketch.

His name is James Katar.

He is a thirty two year old dude.

He's a doughnut maker from Brockton, Massachusetts. I know you don't want to share now because I just ruined it for you, but. But also don't doughnuts. So this fucking absolute piece of shit, he had once attacked a 63 year old woman while she was at a cemetery at her fucking dead husband's grave. Morning come at her with a chair leg, which she had escaped.

What the fuck? Just the leg or a whole charity only beat her with the leg. Don't. I don't know. OK, so I pictured breaking up, but that would make more sense. I pictured him banging and then.

But how far did he move with the chair?

That's all I want to know. Yeah. Not important then. This is important. A decade before Mary Lou's abduction in nineteen sixty eight, Kater had had pled guilty to assault with intent to rape, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon and kidnapping when he had abducted a 13 year old Andover girl who he had run off the road while she was on her bicycle after.

And then he forced her into his car, drove her about 30 minutes out of town into a wooded area.

He he she had fought him off and run that. He caught up with her and then he had tied to a tree where he had strangled her until she lost consciousness. But when she woke up, he was gone and she got free and escaped.

He yeah, he had served a prison sentence for this. He pled guilty. He was like, I fucking totally did that.

He he served a prison sentence, but was of course, I don't know how long you serve.

Wait, I could probably put math in my brain. Do it. Just Kusum, we'll give you 30 seconds for quick math. I need six years.

He served a prison sentence but was released four years ahead of schedule. So you got it. You know, here's the thing. When prisons are full, get those. The people who attack children out first.

It's important. There's so many people who had a minuscule amount of pot on them. They just need please keep them in mind. Anyone of color, please. But, yeah, I want a white dude, white dudes that fucking try to rape children. Right. Well, that's none of that.

Should have been sarcastic. Sorry.

OK, so he so he was released ahead of schedule. It's terrible.

And in nineteen seventy six he had started hanging around the Bridgewater area because he was going to therapy where the hospital is.

Yeah. It's the director of the Bridgewater Hospital, everybody, great job. We love your facility and you're great. Really creepy stories coming out of there. Yep. Yeah. Which I guess is near this place.

So two years fucking later, Mary Lou disappears while riding her bike home.

Yeah, I guess that motherfucking therapy didn't work.

The day after Mary Lou disappeared.

This fucking dude, James Carter, had gotten married to an 18 year old.

So he was I know he was thirty two. He married an 18 year old. And I had to check if either she wasn't an Avon lady or from a place called Avon, Massachusetts.

You guys have a place called Avon, Massachusetts. You know that I didn't is that where they invented all the wonderful products? No, I didn't. You know, I was like, I'm not going to get that.

I am not going to be like from Avon. I was like, that's not a place. It's a place. It's a blue.

Well, so just the idea of an 18 year old Avon lady where she's like, I don't give a shit doing it.

So the day after Mary leaves the pier and they had gotten they got married, then they left the country on a honeymoon.

A week later, when he returned on September 19th, I guess someone was like, the police totally think it's you. You should go talk to them because he went into the police station with his new 18 year old Avon wife and his lawyer.

And when he walked in to the police station, he looked so similar to the composite sketch that one of the officers, Chief Lou Pacheco, said, you're not going to believe this, but our composite our composite just walked into the station.

Oh, she was just like, hey, everybody, the guys here, the guys here, he gave.

So Kater gave us permission for police to search his car. Guess what kind of car? He had a bright green nineteen seventy six Opel with a black racing stripe. Actually, we have a photo of the car. I think somewhere we can take a look at it. That's Mary Lou. I know. That's the car. It even says Opel on the side of it. Wow. I mean, I hate his guts. That's a sweet car. I was yeah, it's not the car's fault, no, so but bright green with black is a little too Frankenstein for me maybe.

Or nice restaurant. OK, I'm we'll talk about it later. Sorry. We'll talk about it later. It's none of your business. Thank you.

That's awesome. Thank you. Stephen too as well. The right front tire had excessive wear, just like in the photos of the car, the tire, the scene inside the car. They found wedding gifts, but also two cartons of cigarettes. Hey, guess what kind?

Benson and Hedges and two pairs of dark rimmed glasses in the glove compartment went there with everything that they knew about him.

Yeah, Jesus Christ in the trunk.

They also found that box of copies of the Boston Globe and the Boston Herald. Newspapers both opened to articles about the disappearance of Mary Lou.

Avery, everybody just confess. Yeah. Yeah. It's like he was basically confessing with things as opposed to words.

I mean, this dude and you'll see he's truly the biggest piece of shit in the fucking world. Also, his alibi for the day was total bullshit, of course, but he denies any involvement.

And he but OK, you can turn that off. Thank you.

I want to see a picture of him. Yes, he sucks. We have a photo of him.

He kind of was, in my mind, was picturing more of a Jim Croce type, which I know is a deep cut, but I was like, I don't know what that who that is. He's ballerina. It's a 70s thing you wouldn't understand. But that looks like Paul Sorvino in a bad wig. Still don't know really. Yeah. Come on. No Mira Sorvino. Yes. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was actually one of the original detectives on the first law and order, like the first couple seasons of Law and Order.

All right. Way back when Deep Cut. Right. Karen's new podcast. Thank you. Or I just list names of people no one knows.

I will call it the loneliest girl in the world.

OK, thank you. You can take that down because he sucks. OK, all right. So sadly then we are sorry that fucking guy had an eighteen year old wife out.

Hate.

I hate things I do too. This is the podcast that's basically called like what the fuck. Yeah, what the fuck.

You know, very sadly, nine weeks after her abduction on November 11th, nineteen seventy eight, Mary Lou's body was discovered in the Freetown, Freetown, Fall River State Forest, Freetown fall.

But her body was discovered by a couple of boys who are out fucking dirt bike racing. I know. And they'll probably never went dirt bike racing again.

She was fully clothed and had been tied to a tree while standing up. That's right. Exactly the way he or his other victim. And the cause of death was ruled by the medical examiner's strangulation by ligature or positional asphyxiation, meaning that he had tied her to a tree, including her neck.

And when she had passed out, she had choked to death because of the weight. It's fucking awful. So. And it was determined that she had died the same day she went missing at the trial. This fucker's arrested and taken to trial. At the trial, James Carter testifies on his own behalf. He acknowledges his guilt in the incident of nineteen sixty eight.

That is fucking identical to this one. But he stated he was rebuilding his life since the release from prison in January 1976. So it wasn't him. An FBI expert, William Bosniac, who would later testify about the shoe print at O.J. Simpson's trial. I Can was an expert witness about the tire track found on Dean Street in Raynham in this trial. There's like all these expert witnesses and all like all these fucking people come in and it's just insane. Back in June of 1979, James Cady was convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

But wait. OK. Supreme Court Judicial Court overturns that conviction in 1979 and the following when they also fucking overturned in 1985, his other first degree conviction because testimony. So they fucking they've gotten all this eyewitness testimony saying that they had seen this car and no, they were like telling him what they saw. Then they hypnotized all those people because that's what they did in the fucking 70s and 80s for witnesses. Remember all that hypnotising?

Yeah, it was great. And so they were saying that they hypnotized witnesses that were used to identify the make and license plate of his car shouldn't have been used in in his conviction. And so then that third trial comes in nineteen ninety two. That one fucking ends in mistrial again. He is retried in ninety six where his fucking attorney, Joseph Kreisky, said that Mary Lou had actually been the victim of cult activity. It wasn't him because there was all kinds of, there was satanic panic times and there was maybe some weird cult activity.

You guys fucking know, not that you guys are Satanists. I didn't mean it like that. You might be. I mean, maybe you are. I'm not judging you. I'm kind of judging you.

He promised the jurors that they would hear from a witness who saw more than 20 people carrying torches into the dark woods around the time that Mary Lou had been killed. He promised I don't think he did it. So four fucking times this guy goes to like multi week trials and Mary Lou's family, the whole fucking community, the police officers who are all for what you read, like, horribly touched by this fucking case and want to get this asshole put where he fucking belongs.

More than half a dozen motions for appeals, including that they all included, you know, putting the family through the crime scene photos, traumatizing testimony by all the witnesses, all these bullshit theories.

It would become the country's longest running court case.

Well, he's finally fucking convicted on December twenty second nineteen ninety six at his fourth trial and sentenced to life.

Yes, they can cheer now, right? Yes. OK, that's upheld in two thousand and twenty seven when he tries again to fucking get retrials and and the Supreme Court of Massachusetts are like, fuck you Dick.

Are you fucking serious? No. If only that's what they said. I'm saying it for them because, you know, that's what they all wanted to fucking say, that, OK, the fucker James Carter finally dies from cancer in January. Twenty third.

Twenty sixteen. Whoa, that's recent. Very recent. But there are some what happens in the town of Raynham.

There is some like at least everyone's trying so hard to uphold the memory of Mary Lou and they never forget her. They refused to let her memory be forgotten or let people say like that doesn't happen in our town. They won't fucking let people do that. So the annual meeting held by the police every year to review policies regarding missing persons. There's this meeting. And right now the chief, Jim Donovan, is the chief. Now, he was ten years old at the time of Mary Lou's disappearance.

He begins his presentation every year by recounting her case and saying, quote, Her memory drives our vigorous pursuit of missing persons. Her youngest, Mary Lou's youngest sibling, who turned five the day that her sister's body was found, I know was influenced by the investigators who never gave up every single fucking time there was any kind of motion or any trial. The investigators never gave up. They always were there in full force. She remembers that. And she becomes a special operations sergeant with the Massachusetts Department of Corrections.

Yes, she does. Yes, she does amazing. Another sibling, Joseph, he served as the driving force behind the creation of a soccer field in Mary Lou's memory on King Phillip Street in her honor. So people would never say that this sort of thing can't happen in this town.

She wants people to remember her. And she's on a plaque in the police station. She the there's a fingerprinting program for children that's named after her.

And she even has a street name, Mary Lou Court and her mother, Joanne, when the fuckin when he died later died, her mother said, quote, I do believe in a heaven and I do believe there is hell and he's going to rot in it.

And that's the story of Mary Lou Aruda. Wow. God damn it. Thanks.

It's I mean, that's so that's such a beautiful thing that a like a small town can kind of kick ass that way and like the police force and kick us that way and then kind of like almost set that standard. Right. Because we hear so many of these stories of, like, they didn't do anything for three weeks. And we have to be like, why don't you do it's like so frustrating every time, even though that was a standard, it was the way things were done and it was the rules then.

So you can't get mad at that.

But when it's done in a way that it should be and helps convict this dude who had a pattern, in fact pattern of the way he did things, there's no fucking way he would have stopped doing it.

No, not at all. So, I mean, potentially they fucking stop a serial killer. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah.

Good job, Branom. Yeah. Nice. Well, I'm going to do the great Boston fire of 1870, too, just for just for fun. I'm super into disaster here in Boston and the metro area. I know.

So there is a there is a guy named Bruce Wikler, who's basically the expert on the great Boston fire, and he's written a bunch of stuff. He also is making a movie about it. And so I watched this talk that he gave. And a lot of people who are from this area have no idea that Boston had a fire that was on par with the great Chicago fire.

I'm not from here and I don't even know if that makes any sense. This fire is in the top five here, just fires in United States history.

Yeah, congratulations, everybody. Pyros, it's really funny, though, because as he was talking in the beginning of this talk that he gave, he also is talking. And it's something that you never think about. But in the eighteen hundreds, just all of America was constantly catching on fire. That's all it did. And at one point, everything was made of magic. Everything was why would they build buildings out of magic? No, you guys, crazy world of matches and fire and everything.

And then fireworks on the day that it was finished being built.

Why this made me laugh out loud in the gold rush time, which is eighteen forty nine. Eighteen fifty in San Francisco, like an eighteen fifty one, San Francisco caught on fire and almost burned entirely down. It was a huge fire. That was May 3rd, 1851, I believe, and May 3rd. Eighteen fifty to all of the buildings they rebuilt burned down again.

What a bummer man. I know the insurance people are like OK, all right.

So yeah this was, it was just a huge issue all over the country and especially in Boston, because Boston, as you all know, is super old. And as it grew, the streets are insanely narrow, like being from California, being in like in downtown Boston or like in the city center of Boston. It makes me want to have a heart attack.

It's like this is insanity. Get away from the very narrow, adorable, but old and narrow.

And at the time, of course, because everything was being built up or whatever, they would just build. And there were no there was no coding. There was there's kind of like no rules. And it was like things go well and everyone gets rich, put up another building, but I'm right next to each other and then make the street four feet wide and then put another building right over here. And the other thing was they had all get into it.

I'll I'll explain it to you. So here's the thing. So the first issue is if you've watched movies that take place in that time, like what's the fucking Leonardo DiCaprio movie? Thank you.

The Gangs of New York, that's not what they said in the Gangs of New York. You see this?

The fire departments used to be mostly volunteer and they were it was basically just like clubs of people who decided we're going to be in charge of putting out fires and there'd be a bunch of different ones and they would all run to the fire with their water and they would get there and then they'd all start fist fighting about who was going because there was a thing the insurance companies did. They called it first water. So if you were the if you were the fire brigade that got the first water on the fire, they would give you a couple of dollars, which was in today's money.

Seventeen thousand dollars and what they called a hogshead of beer, which is sixty three gallons of beer. Yeah. Yes. So if you just put the beer on the fire, no fucking way, but just immediately start a fire.

So essentially a fire would break out, the alarm would go off, all these dudes would come running over with their water and then start fist fighting and then the building would burn down while they were all fist fighting.

This was very, very common. I'm not in insurance, but that sounds like a bad I like a bad way and not a good plan.

It's not a good plan, but this is just how it was for a while. So think that's going to fall? I need it, though. I know, because of course, we're using the smallest table.

This is actually Stuart Little donated this table to us. It was so nice, so nice of him. So a man named Josiah Quincy used to be the mayor.

Sure. You can you can cheer for your old neighbor. I mean, the mayor is the mayor neighbor to your neighbor, because the buildings are so close together, everyone was your neighbor. It works. I live around the corner from him. Josiah Quincy, the mayor of Boston, tried to reorganize the fire department in 1826.

And they got so mad that because it was such a political it was basically kind of mafia shit.

And he was like, this needs to stop being dudes fighting in the street and we should probably get a little bit more organized. And the other part of that, too, was they had these things, bucket brigades, where you had to, if you're something in your neighborhood, was on fire, you had to go stand in the bucket brigade and they would just pass water. That's how they got the water to the fire. And if you didn't stand in the line, you had to like you'd be fined a dollar.

So like the whole system was not good in terms of putting water on fire. They just kept fucking it up.

Hosai Quincy's tried to fix it, but he made so many enemies reorganizing the fire department that he lost his next election because they were like, fuck, you did it. This is our this is our little club. But they ended up using no longer using bucket brigades. They started using these steam engines to to pump the water onto the buildings. And so, OK, so but this story is mostly about a man named John Damara. So he is a Boston native.

He was an orphan as a child. He spent his teens being an apprentice to a master carpenter. So he knew a lot about building. He also learned a lot about business. And in eighteen fifty seven, he is elected to the Boston City Council. He makes a lot of connections politically. And in eighteen fifty eight he he becomes a professional fire engineer and.

Right. And at twenty eight he, he rises very quickly. He's very smart, he knows business, he's well connected and he's all about, he's really into safety and he understands the way the buildings are built in Boston, that it's basically just like one big firetrap. And he is like dedicates his career to trying to fix that because he knows he knows about the other horrible fires around the country and he wants to make sure that doesn't happen to Boston.

So in eighteen, when he's twenty eight, he becomes a captain in the fire department. And so they had just that's was about eight years after they changed over to steam engines. Things were a little less wild, a little more organized and kind of the city was in charge a little bit more than in eighteen sixty six. He is promoted to chief engineer of the fire department.

It's in the fire department there. The competitor for the fire department. Yeah. Yeah, they were that they fought so hard but they brought potatoes to all the fires. It didn't make sense.

So Demerol successfully lobbies to win the right to make building inspections to start enforcing fire codes.

So because everything inside every building was made of wood, of course. And then, you know, they they would do things like just have one exit. There was lots of buildings that were built that just had a central a single central staircase, and that was the only way you could get out of the building. So the fire was on the first floor.

Gabbi, that was like, that's it.

The shit we think of is like fucking commonplace. Like, I want to I want to inspect your building and the like. No, no way.

MYOB there. It was a very MYOB time back then. What does that you say. Thank you.

Mind over this. You said it last night and everyone laughed and I was like, I'm not going to ask what that means.

You can always ask sorry.

I just have to I have to shorten things because we're really pressed for time.

OK, so one of the other campaigns the Demerol really was invested in was getting more water available and more fire hydrants, put it around the city and also replacing the old leaky water mains. So they were like the original pipes that they had laid down like that, the pilgrims at work and put in the ground. They were still they're super leaky. The water pressure sucked shit. And he was like, so here's the thing.

As we build all these tall boxes of Tinder directly on top of each other, we need to be able to pump water if something catches on fire. And obviously it would make sense that the water board would be like, what a great point.

They're like, no, absolutely not. There is a guy named Nathaniel Bradley that was on the water board that he and he told Daniel that the water supply was fine and it's not worth the money. To rip up the streets and replace the old pipes and spoiler alert, he was wrong and also a lot of these building owners were insured to the gills, so they didn't give a shit. They were just like, it's kind of fine if it burns down.

I'm good either way. So they didn't want to spend the money to fireproof them and nobody wanted to spend the money to replace any of these water mains. OK, so on Sunday, October 8th, 1871, that's the day of the great Chicago Fire. At last I wondered what the fuck I was doing. I was like, why? Why am I talking about that now? And third, show the great good. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Where am I? The great Chicago Fire lasted for two days. It 10000 buildings were burned. It killed three hundred people. It destroyed over three square miles of the city. It lest it left a hundred thousand people homeless. And they say there was more urban damage in that city than there was in the in the entire civil war.

Oh my God. It was it was that bad. And actually, when I lived in Chicago, we went and saw a play called the Great Chicago Fire. So actually, I know tons about it, but I don't have time to talk about it now. But there's one amazing part where most of the citizens, the fire got so strong and so hot that everyone was pushed into Lake Michigan. They just had to go stand there and stand in the water to like to cool off and to get away from the flames.

It's super insane. So when that happens, Chief Demurral takes a trip to Chicago to find out what went wrong, what the problems were, and like what? Like just so he could learn and take that back to Boston and make sure it didn't happen here. I feel like everyone should be listening to this guy. No, the guy is like trying to get people not killed in the fire.

But, you know, it was something like like his beard wasn't long enough or some shit like that.

We're just, like, moved over there with his and his facial hair. What do you marry a fire if you love it so much? Were you scared of a little higher punch you out? So what he learns from the the fire chief in Chicago and there was a there was also a civil war general that had actually been brought in to help during the fire, like to help control it and then keep civil order afterwards. And so they told him all about what went wrong.

And they said, of course, everything was insanely dry. The entire city, of course, was made of wood. There were really stiff winds. The fire alarm was delayed and the firemen were misdirected as to where they should go in the beginning. So the communication was really bad and most of the roofs of the buildings there were mansard mansard roofs and so mansard roofs. You've seen them. They are the ones that basically it looks like the top of the roof has like a cuff on it of wood.

So even if the front of the building is masonry or brick, the top of the building just has the driest fuckin shingles of all time. And it's like eight feet of it. And so most of the buildings at the time, that was like the style had that type of roof. And so when a building catches on fire, when the top goes up like that and then all the top of the buildings are wood, each the building, each one catches the next one on fire.

And so that's what happened there. They also did a thing. They tried to do a thing to stop the Chicago fire, which was they thought, you know, sometimes in a wildfire happens, the firemen and they start a fire and back burn so that when the wildfire hits, there's nothing to burn and it just goes out. Well, they thought they were going to do that in Chicago by blowing up buildings.

So they went into fire and just started blowing shit up like, OK, then this can't catch on fire. Well, of course, then it's rubble and then all the woods exposed. And it was like Tinder. It just created it was like it was like presetting your campfire logs up and, you know, a little triangle. And it was it, of course, did not work at all. It made it worse. And there was they used gunpowder.

So there's there's a stiff wind and fire storm. And then, you know what we're going to do, blow gunpowder into the air, guys, five, six, seven, eight. So holy crap. Yeah. So Darumbal comes back to Boston. He makes a report about everything that he learned about the Chicago fire. He puts pressure to get a new firehouse built in the new downtown area. That was that was the one that was just being built and getting popular and to make more water available down there.

And he also tried to get a building code instated to stop those mansard roofs from being used on new buildings.

He's like, we just don't need it. It's not it doesn't even look that good. Also, let's not blow up buildings in case of a fire in the future.

And he is told, look, I wrote it right there to mind his own business and to stop exaggerating the needs of his department. Oh, yeah. You're being hysterical. So so in October of eighteen seventy two, there was this is also one of those things where it's like the combination of just all these horrible.

Things that happened, there's a horse flu that comes down through New England from Canada, and all these fucking horses get super sick in a debilitates the entire fire department horses.

They're specially trained and extremely strong horses that can pull those insanely heavy steam engines that they that they pull from fire to fire.

All those horses are like, OK, you get me. The worst is done. So Demerol, when that starts, he's like, oh, fuck, no. OK, we have to fire I mean, hire five hundred extra men because we got to go back to the days of pulling our own steam engines around because we don't have any because all the horses are up in bed. They got better. They got better. By the way, at first I thought they all died.

And I'm like now I have to fucking tell everybody all the horses died. That's not going to go over well. But they didn't. Oh, good. They got better after when no one needed them. OK, so. On November 9th, eighteen seventy two at 7:00 pm, we're on the corner of Kingston and Summer Street and it is a building it's a it's a commercial storehouse. So there's a book called The Story of the Great Boston Fire by a man named Charles Cofan.

And it was written he was actually a witness. He was there that day. And he describes the contents of the building. He says there's bales of hay and boxes of dry goods in the basement and on the first floor now, yeah, the second and third floor are stores of paper and muslin. Cheese.

Yes. It's like first year anniversary. Yes.

That's what the store was called, the name of the store paper and matches and such on the third and fourth or sorry, on the fourth and fifth, a room full of hosiery gloves, tape, muslin, thread and trimmings, shreds of materials for making skirts and corsets.

So he wore the quote is tinder above, tinder below, which is what everyone's going to do tonight after the show.

Am I read you sexy motherfuckers, OK? So it truly is just like a fire waiting to happen.

There's a spark in the basement at 7:00 p.m. the fire starts down there.

It all goes bales of hay because the driest shit you can find. So the fire starts down there. No one notices because it's seven o'clock at night and it's the weekend.

And so it's going and it's raging out of control and the elevator shaft is made of wood. So what they also don't know is as that fire starts going, it also goes up straight up the center of the building simultaneously.

It's like we can do it.

So the only time anyone notices that this fire is in the basement of this building is when all of the windows of the basement blow out surprise birthday.

And that's when people are like, what's this we see here and smell? And so people start running up and down the street yelling, fire. Now, at the time, they did have fire boxes on the street. There's a lot of people don't know about this. And because my dad is was a San Francisco fireman for about 40 years.

Yeah, that's right. He's an American hero. And he I've known about this since I was a kid. But you don't really notice them until you start looking for them. They're little. They're like free-standing little boxes on the street. They kind of blend in with like a lamp post or whatever, but they just say fire on them and you can walk up and open them and pull it in. A fire truck will come to that box. They should tell us about those.

I feel like I feel like they don't want people pulling a box, but. Well, what if there's a fire? Yeah, I don't know.

Those exist and I can't get my phone to call.

I can't get my phone to recognize my face turn on and so I can call an ambulance.

It's me. It's me. It doesn't matter because I have a face mask on. You can't you just refuse to take your Batman mask off. They'll know it's me.

But every story like my dad would tell me or I would tell him stories like, oh, my friends got stuck and and they were in this weird neighborhood and they didn't know you guys pull a box.

That was my dad's solution to everything. Go just pull. It'll be a fire truck there in two minutes.

Well, now I know. And now we're all going to pull one pull a box if you need to while we're waiting for to tell them. Tell them Jim Kilgariff told you to do it and then I'll give you his phone number later.

A box full of box, Jim, but e also say that to my kid, he would hear stories of people getting lost in bad neighborhoods or whatever, but you got to pull a box.

I'm doing it. Do it. But then you do have to deal with the firemen who show up and you're just standing there with a smile.

I'm going to run. That's the trick. That's the one part you didn't think of. This is not for prank.

OK. Also, of course, please clean your lint traps if you don't know already. And we're coming up into the holiday season, water that motherfucking Christmas tree. Oh, and do not leave the lights on at night. No one needs to look at that shit. They're sleeping. People who leave their lights on all night, the Christmas lights are there. Lights, lights? No, no, no. Other Christmas lights on the Christmas tree that light the Christmas tree on fire, that then light the curtains on fire and then your house is on fire.

A solution. Be Jewish, be Jewish.

Please be Jewish. Won't you please be Jewish this Christmas season. Think of others selfish Christian assholes. Now we let the menorah burn out. It's fine. Oh yeah.

You guys like to put actual flame right in your front window. Real fucking Plaga. You don't even use them lights. OK, ok, so it's seven o'clock when this fire starts in the basement. Oh, that's what we're talking about. So back then only cops could pull a box. That's my favorite phrase. Now there was a they had to have a little key. So the beat cop that had the key to that fire box had already passed and was out of the like out of earshot, I guess.

So everybody's running up and down the street screaming fire. But that doesn't matter until somebody actually pulls the alarm.

So it takes forty five minutes for the fire departments to actually get there. That's too long because once they get the alarm, it's way too long. Once they get the alarm, they have to start pulling their steam engines themselves. Let's remember the horses. The horses are in bed with thermometers in their mouths, with the thing on their little heads up, their little horse heads just watch and soap operas. So it was. But but of course, Demerol had had hired all those extra dudes.

So at least they had people also cough. And the man who wrote that book said also little boys would run in and help the men pull the steam and get out of here.

Timmy, you're not sure know all the eight year olds can come in and try to do something better. I'll tell you, I've probably had jobs. Yeah, they really they threw down their cigars and ran over to help. Thank you. So good of you.

OK. But then they get there, they've got their steam engines, they're all set up, and of course, the fucking water pressure's for shit because they didn't replace any of the pipes. So it's like they the water pressure basically was set up for one. They were like two storey buildings. But this is a six storey building. So it's just kind of like pissing out and not really working out so great. And then the winds kick up.

So they so what really happened with this first building is the basement. The windows blew out. The fire was going up the center and then the people on the street, the witnesses said that when the fire came up out of the basement, it shot straight up six stories and caught that mansard roof on fire. So the entire building was entirely engulfed by the time the fire department got there and then was and then started catching the other buildings on the roofs on fire.

And then they can't get the water up to the top. So and it's and the majority of this fire is going north. They're they're able to get enough. Demerol gets on the scene. He starts sending different fire companies in different directions. So he's like, you go five streets that way and you start putting out the fires that way. And he was trying to basically, like, control the this this size.

Obviously, if I were him, I would have been, like, directing people by going, I told you so. I told you so.

I told you so. And I told you so. And I told you fucking listen to me. I told your alderman with your eight year old fucking worker, nobody fucking listens to me. Goddamn sick horses. Get away from me, Jackie. But no, he's a noble man.

And he starts he's kicking into business. And he also this was crucial. He immediately sent word to every city within 50 miles of Boston asking for them to drag their steam engines because there's no horses truly. And all these cities respond. They say twenty seven different towns in the area responded.

And I know, right? Everyone's like, get in there also from some from as far as Connecticut and New Hampshire.

Yeah. Great job, you guys. Great job. Your ancestors, high five, your grandma when you get home.

So a real problem they started having is that crowds, of course, begin to accumulate around the mass fire that's broken out because there's people that are running out of houses holding like one statue of the Virgin Mary and a washboard that's literally that's literally in that book by Charles Coffin.

Those were those were prized possessions. The shit. What a life.

I mean, not not the most fun life unless she loved laundry or we don't know she loved the Lord. But there's looters, of course.

So there's people trying to run out with, like, the three things they could grab. Then there's people trying to grab shit they didn't grab. And then there's people who are just standing around like they had nothing else to do on a Saturday. And so there's just all these human bodies. It's just like a mass of human bodies. Within four hours, this fire has traveled a mile straight into the heart of Boston's business district.

And they say that sailors on the coast of Maine could see it from their ships.

It was that huge. Then Darrel's called to city hall and oh, we should probably put up I bet there's at least one picture, right. That could kick us out.

OK, so this is the scope of this fire. And this it goes by how by where it started, which is up there. No, no, down there. Yes, seven p.m.. Hold on, shut up, you don't know. I know it starts here. Yeah, right. Yeah. And it goes like that. Yeah. And that's when everyone's like, oh, look at the fire. And then it's like, oh, and the winds go.

Then it's like, oh my God, Connecticut, you go this way, New Hampshire, save our docs or whatever the fuck.

But then Damul gets called to City Hall because the mayor wants him to try the thing that he knows is going to work great.

What gunpowder blow up some buildings and he's like, ixnay. It doesn't work. And of course, they don't listen to him. And so they start trying to blow up buildings. And that's why the fire, they were doing it up on the north side thinking they were going to contain it at the top. And that's why the fire then spread out like that is because they were they were blowing up buildings and it got so bad they stopped because they were like, oh, I guess you're right about the gun powder thing.

Like, we made it worse.

This is crazy. John, I'm so sorry I didn't listen to you.

So at two, three a.m., they were blowing up the buildings. They stopped that.

An hour later, several buildings blow up on their own because no one turned the motherfucking gas line.

Guys, guys, we've got to get this organized at some point. Somebody somewhere. And it's not John Darumbal. I think it's like some genius citizen. What they start doing is they start they find the biggest pieces of material they can find and soak them in water, huge blankets. Somebody get their boat sails and they start taking so soaked pieces of material and laying them across these roofs so that then when the sparks are going, those mansard roofs aren't catching on fire.

And that's the way they ended up saving the old south church.

The old south church is one the only buildings that ended up standing in in the area that it's in.

I don't know. It's downtown. Uptown, is it downtown? Down to downtown. Over Northtown town. It's in town. It's in the town. And people love it. It's such a great fucking church. Oh, it's in the south part south church. And that is one of the turning points of the fire is people being like, hey, how about how about we put water on it?

Before we stop contributing to the fire and try to fight it first, first can I do my idea of taking all the old pine trees that we can find? No.

So the fire is finally brought. Oh, we think is there do you can you go to the next picture and just see what Stephen pulled up for us? Oh, this is a before.

After that, that's some rubble. That's as Franklin Franklin Street looking up before and then Franklin Street after.

That's how bad it was. Oh, Joe. And that's how I bet that's probably the widest part of any street in Boston ever. I've never seen one that wide. Cranleigh, will you go to the next one?

Oh, that's the panoramic. Wow. I mean, not so that's bananas.

And then wait, there's one more that I really like.

Oh, they just sat on the rubble. Like, why didn't we listen to John Demurral?

Oh, man. I just I really wanted to blow this building up.

And now I regretted the buildings left, 30 people were killed in the fire, 12 of them were firemen who died in the line of duty, which actually you have done.

It's actually kind of a small that all all told, because Chicago had like three hundred hundred.

Yeah. So it's thankfully smaller. But still, newspapers report losses up to 90 million dollars in damage for back then, which is over a billion dollars in damage today.

But I bet some people are like, yeah, I totally lost my house. Yeah. Oh.

Again, it's a bit of a new house. Well, 90 percent of the buildings that that 90 percent of things that looked like this were entirely rebuilt in two years. Wow. And so one of the things that Bruce Twinklers says in his speech that I was watching is he says if you went on a cruise in September of eighteen seventy two, which was a couple of months before the fire, a world cruise last two years. So when you got back in nineteen seventy four, you would come back to an entirely different city, which you would be amazed, like you'd come back and you were like that.

Why is that department store over there. Like things completely switched around and the city did use all of this rubble to build Atlantic Avenue.

So go down there and you're actually walking on the rubble of the Old City.

So although John Demurral was initially hailed as a hero among the firemen that he worked with in the citizens that saw him, and there's these stories of like he he was like running up when they called him to City Hall and he passes by a little boy who's like, my parents are caught in that building. And he goes up into the building to try to find the parent like he's he was incredibly heroic and incredibly brave and fought the fire himself and organize people and fire.

And you just started firing people.

Take advantage of this moment. You're fired. But he ends up losing his job as fire chief and they blame him for the fire.

The only person who gave a single shit about fire safety in the city in eighteen seventy two.

And they were like, it's your fault because everything's political. But he, he didn't give a shit.

He goes into politics and he becomes the city's first building inspector in eighteen seventy seven.

And Boston became one of this like the strictest fired code cities in the country because of this system that he set up all the all the ways like the fire codes that are set up in Boston or because of John Damul. And that is the story of the great Boston fire of 1870 to. Amazing. That is bananas you. That was great. I was riveted.

If there had been more trouble, I would have been on the edge, just hanging off the edge of this part. I would have just been staring at you. But instead, I just kept doing weird things with my arms. It's hard to know where to put your body.

Yeah, let's stand up. I think we have time for.

Yeah, let's do it. Let me pull some things from places from here and here, spanks out now. There's a lot of signs tonight. Yeah, people have ideas. Listen, I want you to listen now.

You need to listen to me. Not yet. If you're yelling right now, you're not going. I can see your mouth moving. You're not getting back. I'm going to do my sister right now. Roommate, roommate. That's how she does it. I have to tell you the rules. And if you're yelling, you can't hear the rules. And there's been nights where people didn't hear the rules clearly, didn't hear the right things happen. Yeah.

So there's definitely rules and regulations for this part, like the fire marshals of home.

And we're going to martial the shit out of the towns. Right. This is really important.

And we would just really that we need it to be a local story. Please, please don't. You're the fucking exception to the rule of any of these rules. Massachusetts, Massachusetts, Boston.

Ideally, we'd love an accent I've asked fucking two nights in a row has I think it's not important. It's very important to me. Your story needs to be concise.

You need to be able to tell it quickly and clearly. There should be a beginning, a middle and an end. It's better for people when they're listening. When you get up here, it's very easy to kind of get overwhelmed and lose your place so you can't be too drunk, although we're not. You can do what you want with your life.

And oh, just remember that everybody hates you if you get pissed.

So you have to tell quickly.

That's the key. It's your night. All right. Let's see. Can I get the lights a little bit? Can we have the lights up? Is that possible? I'm scared. I hate doing this much. It's awful. It's so OK. Yeah. Yeah. I hate this, so I don't know why I do it every time it hurts me in my soul, Open is right over there. Walk over to him.

Thank you. I swear to God, if she says she's from Florida, I'm going to punch her in the face, the truth and I swear to God he could turn the lights off before she sees me. So scary. You guys don't even understand.

When are you come back and I'll let you know. I remember the man. Hi, my name's Libby Lewis Libby. She brought her. Your bag got my bag. Where are you from? I am from Acton, Massachusetts. It's about 40 minutes outside. I conquered the Battle of Lexington and Concord. Yeah, we love that bell. It's such a good bell. Yes. And so this is fresh. Actually, this is a new nugget. My mom texted me Friday night and said, you'll never guess this so-and-so stabbed his parents and girlfriend.

And I was like, oh, I'm sorry. What, you can't just text me that casually. That's a call. Called. And so I guess this guy went with him. I went to high school. Then he was he's twenty five right now. He went to he sought mental health help with his mom earlier that day. He tried to get help. They sent him away. He goes home. He thinks demons are in his head. He thinks demons are telling him to kill his girlfriend.

So he strangled her. He's strangling her. The dad hears her screaming. And so he goes in. The guy grabs scissors and stabs the dad in the neck. His own daughter's own father, his own father stabs him in the neck and then the girl's trying to help him. So the girl stabs the guy, stabs his girlfriend in the chest. The mom walks in, he's freaking out. And they finally people came to help. And then they were like, oh, do you know you're right?

And he said, yes, I'm a murderer. And that was did you know him in high school? I had some classes with him. I never talked to him. I didn't think, yeah, this what happened that's been and, you know, I never saw it coming. I know. I never knew, you know. Yeah. And so the dad is expected to not survive. And the girlfriend of the mom or the girlfriend, I think is supposed to make it.

She's in critical care. The mom is OK. Oh, my God. Libby, and he's in jail. He's being held right now for a psychiatric evaluation. Yeah, holy shit. He's a he tried to get help before they let him go. Yeah. Yes. That's a very good point. I need to fund mental health. I don't know.

I don't know. Somebody has got to do it. There's so many fucking things wrong with this country right now that it doesn't get prioritized. But, yeah, as a as my mom, as a psychiatric nurse, she used to rant and rave when they were defunding all public health. And she would tell us like a lunatic profit at the dinner table. In the future, there's going to be people walking up and down the street that need to be medicated.

They can't take care of themselves. They're out on the street. It's not it's not how we're supposed to be treating each other. Some people need help. Yeah. And we need to give money to programs to help people with mental illness. It's important. Sorry I hijacked your story. Thank you, Libby. Everybody, that was amazing. So you did great. That was awesome. That's the fastest hometown we've ever had. I also detected a little accent.

Did you like the first thing I said is there's no there was no accent. I heard a little accent. Yeah, but I'm from Southern California. You wanna do one more? OK, hold on a second. You have to pick this time, OK? Karen's going to OK because it's sad. Hold on. Everyone is everyone is pointing. Everyone's pointing at you. OK, come on. Come on. We know her, I feel like sometimes everyone, like people will be pointing at someone from there, over there, and they just want the person to get past the point.

It's so fun to point. Holy shit, you guys are great. Boy, it Julia, Julia, everybody, hi. Joya. Hi, how are you from? I'm from good old Cape Cod. All right. Yes. Why don't you you know everyone here. No, I'm actually here by myself. Oh. That's fun, and this this story is about my mother, who is very upset that I'm here by myself right now. She hates.

She called me and we were talking about her her attack. And and I was like, yeah, I'm I'm on my way to Medford right now because I'm determined to get on stage and tell your story. Well, let's hear it. So. All right. It's a little long. I'm going to try and fly through it. Nineteen seventy eight, Milford, Massachusetts. My mother is 18.

She's sleeping. It's like quarter to 3:00 in the morning. She wakes up from this, like, weird thumping noise and she wakes up. The only light in her room is the the green glow of her digital alarm clock. And she notices her mother's cat anxiously pacing up and down the keyboard in her room. And she's like, OK, like, what the hell's the cat's name was Kitty.

Very clever. And the cat's like the cat and heard, like, did not have a good relationship. Like they weren't they weren't close at all. And she's like, OK, I don't understand. So she gets out of bed and she notices that her, her turntable was still going on a blank record. And so she turns it off, goes back to bed like whatever, not long after. It's still like still like three a.m. she wakes up again.

This time there's a figure standing over her ski mask on all black. He was he's wearing fucking spandex. She she was half asleep.

So she she was super confused.

And she thought it was her mom standing there with her curlers, like showing her her mom would wear her curlers to bed.

So she goes, Mom.

It's not a young man is standing there and he immediately goes for her throat, he's choking her, she's struggling and and she's like delirious because she's half asleep, doesn't realize that this is real life. And he's got her hands around her throat choking her. She can't breathe. She just knows that she has to make a sound. So she starts she starts screaming. She starts like muffled screaming. He starts to beat her in the head with something. And he didn't have a weapon.

It wasn't a gun or a knife. It was a flashlight. And he was beating her in the face with a flashlight. He splits open her mouth. She's just bleeding. But she managed to get a sound out because much her bedroom was downstairs. Her parents, my grandma and grandpa, they're like diagonal. They're upstairs like diagonal from her. And my grandmother woke up immediately, throws her hand to her husband and goes, kill him, you see.

And my grandfather, Frank, he served in World War Two buses, so he he's ready, he takes his leg, he swings it out and slams it onto the floor like Fulker, we know you're down there and shit. And the attacker is still on my mother. He's like Spidey mode, like he's back and he's like abort mission. So he books it. He books it out the back where he came in, like the laundry room door or something.

And my grandfather run. No, he doesn't run.

He leaps down the stairs, he doesn't even touch a single step. And he ends up in the doorway like this in his underwear, in his underwear, old timey, just like. Yeah, like tall, tall man. Just like as my mother called it. Gorilla mode. Yeah.

And he's like, well, where the fuck is he?

And my mom, surprisingly, she she doesn't really know how she fought him off, how she ended up on the floor, but like face covered in blood, she's super calm and she just she just points and all she says is some asshole.

So she says all she says and my grandmother's and then she's she's crying. She's so distraught. And so my grandfather books it after this guy.

My mom believes that he hid in the boat in their backyard. And so my grandfather runs out to the street, nearly attacked a jogger, just innocently running at 3:00 a.m., you know, as one does, you know, and he so like, you know, man in his underwear menacingly chasing you and the guys like. And so he's like, oh, sorry.

Just trying to catch a murderer. I don't know. And so he he doesn't catch him.

But that same night, this intruder is the bummer part of the story.

He sneaks in to another home not far from their neighborhood and he beats a little boy in the head with his own baseball bat.

The boy survived, but with permanent brain damage.

And so that's like that's the sad part. Afterwards, my mother worked for the Milford Daily News at the time. She sees the report and they they released her name in the paper because she was 18.

So they were like, OK, you know, we'll take your name. Yeah, we'll put it in there. And it just said, like young woman attacked. So everybody assumed that she was raped and she started getting harassing, harassing phone calls like people people were calling her, just making up, like mimicking this whole situation, making a whole like Shobanjo about it or whatever. And so she was super upset. She did not go to the trial because she was still suffering from PTSD.

But this fucking dumb ass, he was caught because they found his ID just out on the street.

He must have lost it when he was when he was running away and they caught him. I'm not sure how long he was sentenced for, but they got him. My mother and that little boy survived.

Oh, my God. Tell your mom we say hi to you.

Well, shit like this, this podcast is so crazy because it's Hoess insane. We have there's so many people who have stories like these, so many. And we get to hear them and we get to like, you know, celebrate the people who survive and the people who have to survive when people don't. And we're so lucky to be able to just support these women and survivors. Yeah. And to also, I think there's a kind of a message that I feel like maybe people didn't understand before that you're all kind of telling each other, which is that this happens a lot and you can't get through it.

I think it's there's kind of an amazing but, you know, kind of resilient lesson that comes through all this stuff, which is that I think when bad things happen to people, it makes people shut down or not talk about it. And the way it used to be is you don't talk about bad things. And really what people are learning is you absolutely must talk about that, that things process bad things, share bad things. Because when you do that and you process it, you become stronger for it.

You really do. And all the people that we've met that have told us these insane fucking stories are you know, that's the story they're telling us. That's why I'm even able to say it is because that's the that's the story we keep getting over and over. So like the idea that Joy as moms just like told her, clearly told her that story. And it's like the family lawyer, you know, that's an amazing lesson. And I think it's great for people to hear.

And there are people out there who have have been through it or are here to support you and and want to be there for you as well. So it's we're really lucky that we have all these incredible people to support. Well, and you guys are creating a community.

I mean, it's it's incredible. It's like you're all you're all kind of letting each other know you're out there. And, you know, this started as kind of like a we like true crime. That's interesting. And, oh, I'm allowed to lecture. Crime was kind of like the first wave. Now it's this thing of like we can do whatever the fuck we want and.

You know, there's a lot of strength in this community and we're so excited to see you guys, I mean, selling out three shows in one theater is like an incredible.

It's incredible. Yeah, and we appreciate what you guys do. We love being part of this community and I can support women, you know, you can do it.

We're here for each other. Fucking Faust's. Here's the thing. It's already happening. It's already happening. And you guys know it's happening. You can feel it happening. There's something else happening. There's shitty things happening in this country right now. There's also incredibly powerful things happening in this country right now. That's what you have to remember to remember. You have each other that we all have each other and that we are all already connected. And that's amazing.

We're sharing each other's strength and it's fucking amazing. And let's do it. When you tell your story to other women who support you and have been through it, it's fucking incredible. And we can do incredible things with that power.

Yeah, yeah. So do that, do that, do all those things we just listed and also stay sexy and.