This is exactly right. Hello and welcome to my favorite murder, the podcast that's the you like the one you told your mom about, right, though you didn't think she'd be open to it and then surprise, she liked it first. She doesn't like the cursing so much. No, no. Moms do. But then but then they listen to a little while they go.

This reminds me of my younger days and then they light up, but they light up Salem. They will live with Salem cigarettes and they start telling you about that, honey, they'll get me the gin.

I'm going to tell you about my younger days and they start cursing and it's.

So have you ever heard the word come from your mom's mouth?

It's so funny. Oh, nothing makes would make my dad angrier than my mom would say the F word. He would get so mad at her.

It's like as if, like all of the world was melting down. I'm like, come on.

Oh my God. That's how I loved it. Favorite words. And now it's my favorite word to say in front of your dad, too.

Oh, my God. We're a new we're a brand new territory cracked open that just thrown out the finesses all over the place. And Jim was down. We told the story already. Right. Did we are just to each other. I can't.

I don't I don't know at all. Like, literally, if if it if it was life or death, I wouldn't be able to tell you. You neither. But that is Karen Kilgariff. Oh that Østergaard start. That's right. And welcome. Yes. How you doing.

How's your this is our podcast this hour because this is our podcast we've been working on just a little short time of four and a half to and a few years. It is weird though. We're getting rid of our office. The exactly right offices are are going into storage because there's no one there to use them.

We're not paying for that shit if no one's in there. So sad. All that beautiful article furniture that we picked out, that's not a plug. Or is it that I'm glad that we inside the offices and there's a scant few who know this, that that we had all the shows, had posters, framed posters, that we were going to hang on the walls. We just kind of hadn't gotten around to it. And now we never will for all our shows on.

Exactly right.

And we never did it. I feel like we're never going to have it. We wanted to party there. We can't have a going away. Goodbye to this office. Thank you for being our first office for our first business. No, we just have to walk. Oh, and then I guess now we can say because we didn't want to say before, but the people who who had the office above us were roller coaster designers. It was the.

How cool is that?

It was the most interesting. And I have to say, I really loved that office.

It was very fun to be there for the short amount of time we were. But that element made me believe something exciting was going to happen. Because of that, I was like, this is some sitcom shit. I'm absolutely going to meet like a German with red curly hair, you know what I mean?

Yeah, like something's going to happen.

That's definitely like they they are the sitcom office. We're like they're weird neighbors. We weren't the stars of this office program. No, they were the sitcom office. We were. Yeah, we were strange YouTube channel.

Yeah. And downstair baby corgi. We didn't have a baby corgi. What's that. What are you watching. What are you doing. What are you reading. What are you thinking about.

Oh I was going to tell you, somebody recommended this podcast to me on the heels of this is actually happening and the first person storytelling, you know, extreme, somebody said on Twitter, Oh, I was admitting that I was going back to Twitter tiny bit. Just mostly I had to post that Nick Terry that he just made about the tampons. It's my God, he's just so good. We love you so much next year. Thank you so much for playing participating in this business and amazing animated.

And I put it up on our Instagram to check it out or whatever, and I retweeted it. Yeah, it's just so so of course, I went on there to just reiterate that and support Nick. But then somebody recommended a podcast that I started listening to and it's called Spooked and it's on with SNAP Judgment Presents and NYC Studios. And the host is named Glynn Washington. And it is first people telling their first person ghost stories or their first person like weird experience stories and it kicks off.

So I went down to season one first episode. Oh, you're one of them is. It's called the Watcher. Yeah, because then it plays through. Yeah. Oh, OK. And the first story is so goddamn good and real. And you it's this woman and you're like, holy shit, this happened. And I want to tell you the whole thing. That's I shouldn't do that anymore. It's go listen to Spook, the podcast hosted by Glenn Washington.

It's a real joy to listen to. The music is amazing. Their sound at. Sitting there like sound design is great. He's a really delightful host, there's a couple where most of them, it's just the people talking through a couple have hosts that interview people and kind of pull the story out of them. And he is the host one time when this guy is telling his story. The guy goes and I turned around and and then he paused.

And then Glen goes, and what. What was it? What was it? Well, exactly how you would do it, if it was your friend, is something like that. That made me laugh so hard. Anyway, it's just a delightful listen. And it's these stories where as you listen to people, tell them you're like, this isn't made up because they're giving all this detail. It's very specific.

And you want to go on a podcast and like, lie about your experience, that would just be like, well, you it.

Well, yeah, because you could try to. But when you unfold a story like that, it shows like you kind of can't get away with it. So every it's they have like five seasons, I think maybe. Yeah, five seasons. It's really good. And it's a really well made because it's like getting in this getting into a spooky Halloween.

Yeah, it's very good. There's a couple of times I had to turn it off because I was like, it's getting too late at night because it's that like, creepy.

Yeah. Are we going to be able to trick or treat this year. Did it got banned. But then they like that and then they were like Gavin Newsom was like, well it I want to sit in my driveway and throw candy at kids. Maybe that's the new Halloween.

I mean, here's the thing. You can still eat mini Snickers. You can also eat full size. So I've already done that all day long. So what more do you need to keep kids dressed up in cute costumes? You can. I mean, yeah, I guess it's outside, so. Yeah, I don't know. I keep driving by restaurants that are just pack packed on the sidewalk with no masks. No, no, no, no, no, no.

It doesn't make sense to me. Friends and family, please. Anyway, this is the world we live in. Nice. Well I've been trying to. I started. I may destroy you. Oh great. Oh intense. So good. McKayla Cole. Cole, McKayla Cole. Sorry you were right. So yeah. McKayla Cole. She's incredible. I'm only the first or second episode but it's obviously incredible and it's so good.

It's it goes so far and wide in places that I did not expect. She's really amazing. And I just kept thinking, this is it's amazing that she is like the showrunner, creator, writer and star. She and she her face is unbelievably gorgeous, just gorgeous.

It's on HBO, if you haven't checked it out yet. But I am trying now to I'm finally after having so many fucking people who are good at things, tell me that I need to meditate. I'm finally trying to do it and journaling, which I have not done in my adult life. Well, that hasn't been public.

Right. You know you know what the thing about journaling that I always get and that I feel like you're like me in this way, I start writing and then I start watching myself write and criticizing what I'm doing. So it's kind of like I really think that this and that and it's all cursive and sideways and stuff. And then I start reading what I'm writing and I'm like, what if someone finds my problem is I just have no and I only live with them.

So that just means I don't trust events like it's just I have to know someone's going to read this, I'm going to die and someone's gonna be like, I wish we had found her journal earlier because clearly, I don't know, like something, you know, I know for a fact with I need you to tell me today and look in my eyes and we can put this on paper work that you will come to my house and burn any journal that you can find.

You can go through any drawer, but you have to get rid of it because they're shit. I don't want to go down for of like old crushes that I'm like writing about that I don't want to go on on on record. So no, the no, the there's no book. I won't put a book out of Karen's and I don't read journals. Oh. Karen writing Panda Express a golden chicken reading. What you ate that. Oh I just straight up.

Right. I fucking hate everything.

I hate my wife. I hate myself so much. It's so annoying.

My mom did this to me like it's just so it's just like greatest hits. Same same thing every time.

So double these to you and me. We'll burn each other's books. Burn. Listen, I'm going to read yours and you're going to read mine. Fine. Yes. Then they're going to be burnt.

Then they must be burned. And I'm and I mean also legal pads. Anything with more than five pieces of paper. Yes, please. With the joke. OK, things I think might be jokes. I was wrong. Please burn them like they're shit. I've written stuff down. We're like the other day. I'm not kidding. I flip through because I keep buying packets of notebooks. So then I, I will open it and write something. And I have a picture of this.

It says when you have a crush on somebody, you love their car. It just. That's all they wrote on one page of paper. OK, this do you feel how uncomfortable you feel right now? Imagine if I was dead and that you had to read that.

What was it all for? What you she doing? What? Why was she why did she never get past 13 years of age?

It's pathetic. None of us. And we're all still there. It's true, right? When you like when you know what kind of car your crush drives, when then when that car, which is mass produced and there's hundreds of them, goes by you. It's the most exciting thing I've ever heard. You see one.

Is it him? Is that him in the. Yeah. Prius. The black white Prius. Is that him. Oh my God. No, that's every other fucking car on the road. You live in Los Angeles. Every car is a Prius crush on someone.

It's so fun to be like, what are they thinking about right now? What are they? Are they thinking about me right now? Wonder. So that's not that stupid and my entirely self hatred. So I'm not fucking wrong either. No, it's not about right or wrong. It's about stupid or not stupid. And I think I just want to be cooler than I actually am. Please let me post mortem b be like, you know what else, Stephen?

When one of us the moment you hear that maybe one of us is in a coma or dead, fucking delete every podcast that we've ever recorded for real. I don't want you not the other making any money again. It all goes OK, everybody. This Wag the gravy train stops here. Sorry, Nora, your knees, all your money is going to go to back. You don't get a fucking single cent more cuts to normed today. Midde tick tock dance record scratch.

What the fuck. That's real. More money.

That's a self-destruct timer on all this shit. Blow all of these. That's perfect. Stephen, can you make a self-destruct timer for our laptops? When we die, our heart stops beating. These fucking things blow up, it's over. And I want it to be one of those ones where you have to. You and I both have our fingers on it the whole time in the middle of someone's finger comes off of it, it blows.

Oh, so wait, are we killing each other at this point? What are we talking about now? I don't know. We're killing some.

Oh, no, because I just remembered I definitely have opened word documents on this computer and started poems. I'm not kidding. And I have documents on here because, you know, every laptop, it switches you like it goes on your cloud and then you have more. I have like shit from old jobs. I have, like, old stuff in here that I'm like, why isn't this gone? Why haven't I deleted it? So you really, Steven, this thing goes into the sea.

It's like I don't give a shit what you do with my ashes. Throw this laptop into the ocean ASAP. Go to Point Mugu, friends go way out onto the jetty.

A Yeah, I guess is done. As I said, we'll get Stephen. Let's get we'll get crab legs at Neptune's Net after three.

You know what. Oh you having fun after I will haunt you at Neptune's Net, I will fucking stand right next to your table. You're going to get all cold on your neck. I will not let you rest.

And I'll be reading from the other side, reading my poems, my poems. I say OEM's.

Everyone knows you might write a poem in a fucking computer. You have to write it on the old timey type on the typewriter.

I have no business writing poems I used to in my stand up comedy act.

I used to read my poems from college on stage and they are fucking hilarious. They really are. I meant it and it was all kind of broken, like I was trying to be like ee Cummings. But it was always about just some guy that I like that didn't like me back. And it's it's like it's really clunky and really like, it's like if this is really how you're going to express yourself, you don't deserve love.

We'll see. Here's why someone comes in. Someone's like an auditor. If you're like, well, you're like, here's why no one's ever going to love you, because we his poems suck shit. You don't know how to put those words together at all. Look what you do about it. Why do you keep using shoes as a symbol? It's symbolism that's so weird. It's nothing to do with shoes, to have love until you know what it means.

And it doesn't mean that he ordered the same thing as you know, it doesn't it's not about doing shots together. Karen, what happened to you? I don't know.

Nothing happens to me. That's why I was raised by stand up comedy. That's why all our hearts were broken.

And a man who hates the F word I said comedy. And it's the F word. It's a lot of conflict anyway. Did you have a thing you were trying to talk about absol that I interrupted you with? That story I know is journalling. I mean, you covered it.

Good, good. I'm meditating a little. Oh, nice. Yeah. How many minutes have you got?

Well, my friend had had a pet like a month passed for the waking up app with Sam Harris, who's, like, great a doctor type. So he's smart, you know, which I respect. Sure.

You always have loved doctors. Oh, he's a doctor. So I heard that.

And five days into an introductory course, that's like 30 days or whatever. So I and I, I get it. It's making sense. It's it's good you what it is. I used it the other day when I was in a nerve wracking situation. All it is, is the thing of all the shit my brain starts saying, yeah, you shouldn't be here. You look you look terrible, right, that you just go no.

Neutral. Yep. Neutral. So it's not even I acknowledge you get out of here. Yes. Thanks for your help. I know you're trying to help me. Please go away neutral.

That reminds me, for the first time in my fucking life, I'm going to have therapy more than once a week. Oh, hey. Since we're dealing with this old shit that's like starting to come up, how about twice a week? Yeah, like, whoa, OK, it helps. I swear to God I can't get into and it's fifty minutes in the appointment. You can't get into anything right.

Yeah. Fifty. Which if it's me that you can clip off like at least eight at the top of every, I cannot be on time even on. So OK, my therapist and I, she's done talking about it with me. I broke her when it came to the lateness thing. I'm a monster. Oh my God, I'm a monster.

Now, if you'd refer to this poem about how I'm a monster every therapy session because I ran from the parking lot, I didn't have money to pay for the parking, the 10:00 o'clock exclamation point, lowercase letters.

Why do death still insist upon my tardiness?

Sign up above it, but bend to my will father. Time span another that. Can we talk? Oh yeah. The Instagram song I sent you last night. Byfuglien Steeves on.

Oh my God dammit. He wrote he put this song up. That's the funniest thing I've ever fucking heard in my life, Steve. So age and on Instagram, am I right about touching. I feel touched. And he wrote Goal Achieved.

He commented that I know Steve Zaizen achieved his weight. And who is the person he's singing to? I don't you know, he's singing he's making up a belated birthday song. I play it. And let's get into a legal relationship with Steve's on.

Oh, I missed your birthday one nearly never stop you because I'm great. They you for that question. Well, let's put it up on our Instagram. I can report that it's just. Yeah, that's a good idea.

Also, while he's singing the song blaring readers in I think his his garage. A barn for sure. Yeah. He's reading a book about survival survivalist shit and he's eating what looks like chocolate cake. There's something in his mouth or he's chewing tobacco maybe. But he's there's something and there's also you eating and singing, circling his fucking messy hair.

He looks OK. He looks like a survivalist. Yes. He is a fascinating individual. And I'd love to know about his nine to five for sure. I think he's like, how do you get how do you get out there? Yeah, it's just unbelievable. Is he he's got like, OK, we don't have to talk this. Isn't that my favorite Steve on the podcast? Unfortunately. Unfortunately, just focus. Yeah. Let's can we just all please support Steve's on more support.

Steve's on more. Speaking of supporting things, we are excited to announce our next fundraiser for our MFM logo PIN that we sell on our site. My favorite murder, Dotcom, there's a store in that store is a little black and white enamel pin or a logo that's so fucking cool to put on your jacket or whatever. I am sure we always pick a fundraiser to give the money to 100 percent of the hundred percent of the proceeds. So now we just did Beahm and now we're going to go to the LGBTQ Freedom Fund.

Yeah, yes. So they provide bail nationally for LGBTQ plus people who can't afford can't afford it themselves. They educate the masses about the over incarceration of the LGBTQ community, which I didn't realize until I went to their site that LGBTQ people are three times more likely to be jailed. And you think that they're at risk of abuse because of that. So they also can't get out because they don't have that. They can't afford the bail. So for those people, this fund is available.

So we're really excited. It's a great charity. It's very it's very cool. It's exciting to start learning about stuff like this and try to divert. Attention and support their way, because it's so important that we also less important, but still compelling. We now have the this might be luminal travel mug available also in the store. My favorite murder, dotcom. What forward t shirts and things is that the website reported? I think that that's a dead link.

I don't think that'll work.

No, it's in the store. It's an old best seller. They've been restocked. They glow in the dark. It's a Tumblr that says this might be luminol and then it glows in the dark.

Trick all your friends and coworkers that your social distancing around that you might be drinking luminol.

Yeah, it'll fascinate the Zoome call next time. Get in there and buy all of your products on the my favorite murder store, we see you proudly posting shirts from all the fuck over the place. Yeah. And what we'd like to direct you toward is the actual official website where you should get your real shit. OK, let's do exactly right. Network highlights. Yeah. Oh, I'll say the fall line. The podcast, the fall line is this week has just dropped their first episode of their Sam Little series, which focus on the victims stories of fucking terrible serial killer Sam Little.

So make sure to tune into that. Yes. And oh, I'm very excited because I'm Steven's podcast. The Perkiest. He and Sarah are talking to our friend, a friend of the film of this. I was going to say website of this podcast and Donoghue, Canada's sweetheart, he donahoo her book is called Nobody Cares. Get That If You Haven't Already. And she's on Stephen's podcast talking about her cat, Barry Gibb. Stephen, did you love and Donoghue as much as we do and is the best.

And I actually got to meet her before our show in Toronto. That's right. We tried to go to Spaghetti Factory, but it was just too crowded.

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OK, all right. So we're going to do. Yeah. Is that everything right. I think that's it. OK, cool. I feel like, you know that's if there's a look. OK, let's give each other you have one minute. Say one last thing just for a minute. Minute.

That's a long time. Oh I cut off all my own hair. It's too short. Oops. I cut one side. It was perfect. I cut the other side. It was too short. So I the other side to start this. Will you take off your headphones, look and see the full cut.

Look, I can't hear you so don't say anything. OK, shaking my head. Yeah.

Oh that's cute. Oh it looks great. I just got a straight up Louise Brooks. Oh hold on. What Georgia's got. I was saying this Georgia's got a straight up Louise Brooks. Bob now is a very flapper short flapper bob. It's great. It looks really good on you. What do you have? I thought your hair was in a ponytail. That that's your announcement. Yeah, I guess just my hair.

I've gone lighter and shorter as well. You have brown hair now. It's such a trip.

I took all the black out of my hair and then you know that you've had a bad hairstyle for a while when you do something like that and then people freak out and they're like, oh, it looks so good. And you're like, shit. It really looked bad before. That's all I can think of. It looks great. I love that we had hair corner. That was perfect. Guys, you have to know what our hair what's going on with our hair coated.

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OK, so we're going to do a quilt, and my story is from when we were in Brooklyn, when was that? October 5th, 2018. So almost two years ago. Can you imagine? I can't even imagine. I can literally still see the house at that show tonight. Right. Because we were in Brooklyn at least two nights and then we went to Boston for three nights or to Metford, that king, that King's Theater. It's huge and it's gorgeous.

And the audience, it's like set up to make you feel like Cher. It's unbelievable.

And I bet you can hear them still, too, because they were serving canned wine.

Yes. They absolutely sold out of. So congrats. Yeah. That the audience was fucked up and it was the best. Right. And I was like, save me a can of wine.

And they like ran out of like that when I was there were like a fucking impossible lady to back to back. So my story that I did that night is one of my favorites to do. And we're on the road, which is to find a local amusement park or something. And do you know there are deaths. So I was able to do Coney Island deaths for this episode.

Enjoy, everyone. All right. So, you know, I'm taking a chance on this because this is a topic that much like true crime I've always been fascinated by and not told a lot of people about because it's weird. But when I had a desk job, I would just look over this, look at this up, like I said, true crime stories. I did this at one other live show and it went over well. And I thought that this is a perfect place to do a story like this, too, because you guys have a similar thing going on.

These are deaths at Coney Island.

Oh. Public good. Because I did in Anaheim, I did Disneyland, and that went over gangbusters. That's good, right? Gangbusters. All right. So this is OK, here we go.

It's Jackson like maimings and shit and the fun stuff, the fun stuff, the gets, you know, a little bit of history thrown in for fun. And there's some good photos, too, so. Hey, Karen. Yes. According to the US Consumer Product Safety Commission, for an average of four point five Americans died every year on amusement park rides from nineteen eighty seven to twenty four point five between 94 and 2004. Twenty two Americans lost their lives on roller coasters as a result of mechanical failure or operator error or so.

This means you're more likely to die in a roller coaster, Karen, than you are to be eaten alive by a shark. Say that again. You're more likely to die in a roller coaster than you are to be killed by a shark. And those are my only two choices. Stay out of the water, stay out of fucking roller coasters. All right, Coney Island, you know, you all know it. During the 70s and 80s, a bunch of luxury hotels were built there and a railroad was went in for rich people to go hang out there and shit.

Coney Island was described has been described as both heaven at the end of a subway ride and the poor man's paradise. So. Those are your only two choices. I have a couple friends who are totally stories about passing out on the subway and ending up at Coney Island. Really? Yeah, at the end of a fun night when they get to a long held tradition and get a job at the roller coaster at their worst places to end up at the end of a night of drinking at Coney Island and outside McNair's.

Yes, OK, Coney Island became famous for having several of the best known amusement parks in the world, so I didn't know this and you might not either. There's like it's like I it was a couple of different amusement parks kind of competing against each other and then the boardwalk with a bunch of other fucking things to get on and get hurt on. But it had the world's first roller coaster, the switchback railway. So let's start with the steeplechase park in 98, in the equestrians in the back.

Is that a thing? What's the steeplechase? I'm about to find out. No, you're not. I'm just looking at the name. Well, from what I understand, the steeplechase is like an insane horse race. OK, because I have a photo of it. OK, I didn't know that, didn't look it up and didn't bother to care, which is basically the motto of this fund. That's right. I figured it was like Mr. Edward Steeplechase, you know, but I don't know horses.

In 1897, Steeplechase Park opened as the first of the three original iconic parks built on Coney Island. And so right off the fucking bat, several people are seriously hurt. When they stood up on the whip, which was one of the rides, it's the one where I have a photo of it. So the whip, they stand up on the ride, guys. Fucking rule number one. Don't stand up when you're supposed to. OK, this is the whip.

Well, it's that kind that it goes around in a circle, as in then you vomit. And this is good. Doesn't look like shit in the middle is wood. That's what I would. Oh, no, it's made out of the same thing that like dentures were made out of back. Absolutely not. Underneath that circle, there's just two old mules that are so and so tight to eight year old children. Oh, Mom said I had to get a job this summer.

That's right. OK, others are injured during the fall, falls in the park's rotating barrels, which is just when I just don't know why they trust people not to be stupid. It's the one we're like it's just a huge barrel and it rotates and you run through it. And second, slam your stupid face into the, you know. Yeah, yeah. I think they're injured there. And then a few patrons fall off the steeplechase courses because they fucking stand up on them and that's those.

I would never guess this and then look at the woman that's as a woman right there. I'm building the Brooklyn Bridge. What are you talking about? That doesn't make sense. People would pay to get on this thing. Look at the woman sitting in front of a dude. They went on together with all her dresses and show what year was OK. Well, it was built in 1897, so I don't know around there. OK, and on manual labor, how is this a fucking step on Aug.

six, nineteen thirty five year? Oh, they're they're saddle's. So it's like you're you're pretending to write a metal horse directly up. Up the thing, huh. And the tracks are right there. Get everything caught in them. OK, I mean OK. In nineteen thirty five, a ten year old named John Bach fell off his horse and plunged ten feet to the wooden platform below suffering brain injuries and died. This is a this is a bummer podcast.

I've got to tell you, it's not all fun. And then nine years later in nineteen forty four, a girl fell out of a car on the on the fast moving Silver Streak, and she was hospitalized. She's OK. Oh good. She was nineteen forty four so she's probably dead.

But I don't know how you can't be responsible for saying how every single person that went to Coney Island just can't. That's too much. OK, so then this other park open called Luna Park in nineteen three.

And the thunderbolt is built in nineteen twenty five. They've been on it, it's literally a thunderbolt with a saddle on it. They harness the power and then you stand up while you're on it. It was one of the first wooden roller coasters. One of the tracks scales the top of a building, and it was featured in Annie Hall. You've seen it as as the boyhood home of Alvy Singer. Oh, yes. Here's a picture of it. That's right.

Oh, wait. That's not it. Oh.

That's actually Luna Park when it burned the fuck down. That's a dangerous ride. That's right. Yeah, I'll tell you all about that in a minute. OK, what about the other one? So, OK, there's no picture. I took the word picture. Wait, I left the word picture in or Steven.

He's at home giggling and twisting assistance. It's like, so the thunderbolt had two serious accidents, it was this roller coaster, it in nineteen twenty five, a woman was killed when she was and listen to this. She was thrown forward and hit her head on the metal handlebar in front of her. Twenty five, you say nineteen twenty five, OK? Bummer, yes. And then in nineteen twenty six, a three car train stalled partway up the hill.

It rolled back down and was struck by the fucking train coming back out about it. That's right. It was 12 people were injured and one was seriously hurt.

And then the mile sky chaser octopus, which is just an octopus with like all these, you know, and it spins around and it but in nineteen thirty seven, a thirty seven year old Jersey resident fell after a sudden lurch from the mile sky chaser as the car he was in reach. One of the high points. This is a different thing, a roller coaster. He died immediately, a sudden lurch. Two hours later, two girls were on another ride.

The octopus did just when the apparatus went out of order and the car fell about eight feet. They were treated for their injuries at Coney Island Hospital. They have their own hospital. They did very well for themselves at Coney Island Hospital. There is a sign, a waiver when you go and be like it's not your fault. They're like somebody really smart. I showed up at Coney Island the first day. It was like, you know what I'm going to build right over there.

They're going to need it. A hospital.

But the gals survived. So the destruction of the first Luna Park. So Luna Park was heavily damaged by a pair of fires in nineteen ninety four, leading to its closure. That's the picture of it. Got it. And let's see, it goes back on to every single goddamn thing was made of wood. There's no rubble in there at all. So that got bulldozed. And then it's rezone for residential development during the nineteen fifties. So then in nineteen ninety for the other one of the other places dreamland opened.

It doesn't exist. I know it's it takes its inspiration from the white city of the Chicago World's Fair. We know that one wonderful place and there's all these rights like shoot the chutes, which is the one where you go down in the slide. I think there's bathhouses, there's a ballroom. There's a much loved animal show featuring a pipe smoking elephant. Yes. Just a really stuck up elephant that was always talking about British literature. Shit. Shut up.

Its trained by a guy named Captain Jack Bonavista. He loses an arm during an ill-Fated performance with his rare black lions because the black lions were like, fuck this guy. Yeah. And everyone in the audience is like, this is good. This is a bit better than that fire. Well, guess what? Dreamland is destroyed in September of 1911 by an electrical fire during repairs.

It originated from a ride called Hellgate, which, yes, it took tourists on a boat through the dark caverns and past raging whirlpools. It was like, this is what hell is like 2000. It's 1911. So it's charming. That's right. It might be a picture of something else. Let's see. Now, you see, that's Thunderbolt. Remember us talking about this? I do. I remember the river there. And then that's Hellgate. Shit, and right outside, you can just have a nice lunch on a table, a luncheon, but then it's straight to hell everybody is at the devil up there.

Yeah, son of a bitch. Cute. OK, as the park went up in flames, live animals tried to escape and escape.

No, and they didn't they didn't care about animals back then. They gave them pipes to smoke. OK, then there's Bowery Street. A bunch of private owners leased space on Bowery streets to just throw up any old fucking right that they felt like throwing up there. So that tornado is a roller coaster with a wooden track tornado.

Hold on, if I tell you it's spelled wrong. Will you believe me? Listen, these people are cresting on wine in a can. I doubt that. They're like it's the three we've hit. The three can peak because that was an insane reaction to a mispronunciation that was so much an insane mispronunciation. So as far as the tornado tornado, you're from Spain, right? She's Spanish. Someone give me a fucking kind of wine, OK? OK, so in May of 1937, a 17 year old boy is on the tornado.

Bankia loses his balance, falls onto the tracks, crushed to death. Yeah, OK, then this.

There is this deadly roller coaster called Drop the Death. But they changed the name. I know it's great they changed the name to the Roughriders because everyone loves better now from drop that dick to the Roughriders. The 20s were crazy, you guys. So in June of 1910, three people die after falling out of their seats on the rock writers. When will they invent seat belts, for fuck's sake? It's a third rail electric roller coaster, the very shape, the rides.

OK, here's how this fucking roller coaster was. The rides operate, so they go up the ascent then. Then the rides operator is supposed to turn all the power off of the fucking ride. So then it goes down. That's how it's supposed to work. But the the the either broke or the operator was like probably drunk as shit and it didn't happen. And so the car would go too fast and overturn. So three people died when that happened.

Then in 1915, one of the coaster's cars just fucking flew off, flipped and then sent three people plummeting to their death. And then afterwards they were like, let's shut this ride down from here on out. No, let's give it four more chances. Let's name it three more horrible things and then see what happened. I'm not convinced. And then comes Astroland and the ride hell. Not Hells Gate, not hells, OK? A totally different house, a different yeah, in nineteen ninety five, a twenty four year old woman's legs were mangled and 13 other people were injured on the hellhole ride.

It's basically oh, OK. It's one of those ones that are remember the cylinder that you run through. Turn that on its head and it spins around and you get pinned to the wall.

Oh yeah. That one. Yes. That's a classic. Fuck, no. So you do that and then the bottom drops out. Yes. And you stick to the wall and you stick to the wall. So the accident happened when one of the steel band that encircled the ride snapped, ripping open the barrel. I thought it was going to be a different like they just lost the gravity issue and everyone just the thing just snapped and the woman's legs were mangled.

13 people were injured. It's. Yes. And then, oh, what happened was that that the thing snapped and then the right operator hit the emergency stop. So then everything fell apart. Lose, lose. Right. Then the next right we're talking about is a super Himalaya.

They say that Himalayan. Is that the one that goes around on its own little it goes like this, but it's like on an up and down track? Yes, yes. How do you know that? Because I'm getting used to live at the fair every summer. That's great. You have to go show your sheep and you live at the fair. Thank you so much. I'm from a farm. OK, so in nineteen eighty nine, the superhumanly injured seven riders when a metal bar.

OK, so basically the fucking roof collapsed. A metal bar holding the canopy over the right came loose and hit the right as it spun around. And it was closed briefly, but nobody died. Oh, that's good in that one because that would turn into like a grinder situation.

Yeah, yeah. Let's see. I think let's let's see a picture. OK, here's the tornado. Tornado.

Toronado, there's a cycling. Not yet, but we'll get there. Let him look. Oh, we haven't gotten there yet. I got. I got. OK, and then this one said in nineteen ninety nine, a 17 year old named Nadene Koban was killed when an eight others were injured. When the super Himalaya, like the coupling between the two cars broke and the car flipped to one side throwing poor, sweet baby angel Nadene out. They freed her and she died an hour later from internal injuries.

Horrifying and severe head injuries. It's so fucking sad. And then on the boardwalk in nineteen forty six, a woman was killed. Another writer was seriously injured riding a carousel.

What I all it said is the ride started up abruptly as they tried to get off in 1946. So they probably had like heels on and something must have and they couldn't. And then they got something happened. It's. They died of pinched fingers, it's just horses going like that, some of them don't move at all. Do you ever get a bad horse and you're just like, great, but maybe they were, like, stepping off of it and I don't know.

And then you do a fun kick. OK, so then the cyclone was built in nineteen twenty seven cyclone, everybody loves the cyclone. It's and it's been linked to several writer deaths. OK, so there you go. On May 26, nineteen eighty five a nineteen a twenty nine year old man was killed while riding the cyclone because he stood up and struck his head on a crossbeam.

How? And then in August of nineteen eighty eight, a twenty six year old maintenance worker says twenty six year old maintenance workers on his fucking lunch break, he gets into the back seat of the cyclone. I don't know. He was like eating a sandwich or he just wanted to hang out or what. But witnesses reporting that upon its first descent, witnesses see him stand up together at work, that he falls 30 feet and lands on a cross beam of a lower section of the track.

And he's killed instantly. I know. And the ride was briefly closed, but quickly deemed safe to reopen in nineteen twenty seven, a 53 year old tourists in New York to celebrate his birthday. So he went on the cyclone. He suffered. They say he suffered several crushed vertebrae in his neck while on it, but then he didn't die till four days later after complications from the surgery. But no one has ever alerted about it in a report of the accident was never filed with the police or the city.

So they were like, not our fault. He died later. It's not our fault that comes just from writing this roller coaster. His vertebrae were crushed just from being on it, OK? No one here ever went on it again. Six other incidents of injury from the cyclone were reported in 2007, and they were all quickly settled by the park's owners. And in 2015, the right's former operator was forced to pay a woman six hundred thousand dollars for a serious, severe and permanent injury to her head and neck just from writing it.

Whoa. The operator himself had to pay, I guess the person who owns it.

Yeah, it's like the human fucking poor guy was like, I just have the shirt on. I don't control the way it kills people. So and it's one hundred and twenty year history, there have been about 17 deaths and over 30 accidents and injuries in the various parks and attractions of Coney Island boardwalk and amusement parks, and that is deaths at Coney Island. So why? Hey, Michael Phelps here, I want to tell you a bit about online therapy, online therapy is not about time and place.

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This so this was the first time we ever played Minneapolis. Oh, I believe right now is twenty. Seventeen. Yeah, that would have been our first visit I think to Minneapolis. So, so exciting, huh? And if it was October, it was probably a bit chilly. And anyway, that night I did the story of serial killer and the murderer of Gianni Versace, Andrew Cunanan and the Great. You did great, as you guys will hear in a second.

Well, we'll see you. But you judge. Hey, audience, I know this is weird for you, but you judge and see if you like what is about to happen to you, just to see.

Well, my murder spree doesn't start here, but the story starts somewhere else. The murder spree starts here.

It is the murderous rampage of Andrew Cunanan, who I thought I knew this story. But there's a lot there's a lot going on. So, Anderson, Anam was born on August 31st, 1st, nineteen sixty nine.

He was the youngest of four children. And they were he was born in National City, California, and which is kind of a not very nice place and not a very nice city. His father was retired from the Navy and was working to become a stockbroker.

His mother was a house, a homemaker, and she was very religious. She went to church every single day and his friends describe her.

That's a lot. Sundays, fine. That's what God asked for. You were overdoing it. If you do it every day, that's on you. Now, I try to take a nap every other day, which is can be a religious experience. True. So it was very stifling home life. And apparently someone said it was a very quiet which I was like for kids. And it's a quiet household.

That's not good. When he was nine, his family moved to a nicer city bonita. It was upper middle class. And that's when his father became a stockbroker and started making a lot of money.

And his father was all about material things.

And this is a time in the early 80s where for those of us who remember, everything started to become about material things. It was that weird greed is good IZOD shirts, boat shoes. Everyone pretended like they yarded, which is the weirdest sailed.

And yeah, we're all into sailing. No, you're not.

And then as a teenager, they moved to Rancho Bernardo, which is outside of La Hoya, which is like super ritzy area down near San Diego.

And he went to a very exclusive private school called the Bishop's School, one of the friends who was in this interview. Oh, sorry. I got this information from one of those sweet biography channel specials that just gives you every bit of information you possibly could want.

Well, anyway, I got most of it from that. And then another one from there, a Vanity Fair article called The Killer's Trail, which I have the author's name further in. So basically the dad's all about like we're rich now and they go to rich schools. And Andrew is really, really intelligent. They said that his he had genius level IQ when by the time he graduated from high school, he spoke multiple languages.

He was an avid reader. He had a photographic memory. So he's very high functioning, intelligent person. But as a friend was saying, one of the most status conscious people I ever met, he always wanted you to think he had more than he did. And he was also openly gay, which at this time in the like mid to late 80s was not common. So he was voted in as when he graduated from high school. He was voted most likely to be remembered.

Oh, that's a thing they like. They, like stopped doing it after that. They sure. The fuck. Did you specifically say what he should be remembered? Let's get specific now. Let's look at him. Just remember, most likely to be remembered is like what you vote for the people who aren't going to win anything else and who have that look in their eye.

They're like, yeah, he'll do he'll definitely do something. He's like a runner up. It's like a runner up award.

You're runner up with like a knife hidden up his sleeve. But this I love. And I think this kind of some some of his senior quote, which they showed it in the yearbook. So in this year, but they had like the seniors picture would be here. And then there was like an empty space that was the size of the picture where they put all of their the clubs that they belonged to and the sports that they played and all the different things just like listed.

And his all it had next to his picture was. This quote from the court of Louis the Fifteenth. Oh, my God, I pray pragma le deluge, which translates to after me the storm. That's what I had to it was like yours to.

Second, you're so much like Andrew Cunanan. Thanks.

OK, so he graduates in 1987, he enrolls in UC San Diego. He's a history major while he's there, the next year he's there.

There's a warrant out for his father's arrest. Turns out his dad was embezzling a shit ton of money from his job, over 100000 dollars. And the dad bails and goes back to the Philippines where he's from and abandons the family.

So then there they have nothing. And he drops out of UC San Diego, San Diego, and his mother eventually has to start using food stamps. They're so poor. So they go from, you know, boat shoes to just like nothing. And for someone like Andrew, who's his that was his whole status, was his whole ego.

It was incredibly, incredibly, you know, a defining moment in his life. He went he actually went back to the Philippines to visit his father.

And they said while he was there, he saw the apartment in the area that his father lived in. He was so disgusted by how like poor it was that he he left and came back early. And he was like, I'm like, that's that part of my life is over. And he was going to recreate himself. So he starts he starts partying a lot in Hillcrest, which is the gay neighborhood in San Diego. And everybody loved him. They said he was the cruise director of of the neighborhood.

He always had drugs.

He always I was like, oh, that sounds so far. Oh, it's drugs. Drugs. That's what the cruise directors have to if you take a Carnival cruise. Hey, you just go up and say, hey, are we going to the iceberg? Let's get past the bag. I heard they had skiing on this boat. Can you imagine doing, like, coke on a cruise or just like this stuff running in a circle, running the same 40 yards over over.

You just take the bus back to the casino, freak smoking, chain smoking in your cabin.

OK, but he had tons of friends and he was very popular, but all of his friends knew that he was just a liar. So when he was in this part of his life, he started telling people his name was Andrew de Silva. And that's how almost everyone knew him. And he would tell people that he would complain that his mother was not a good mother because she was so obsessed with high society that she shunned him like these weird lies of like we were so rich, my parents wouldn't pay attention to me.

And everyone's like, OK, that's not a thing. And no one's ever complained about that. That's weird.

Made up lie. And eventually he became a gigolo.

But like a very his friends describe it as he started studying all of the millionaires who were gay and didn't have families, and he would learn everything about them. And then when he would get he got into those kind of high society gay circles and he would go to these parties.

And so if he knew one millionaire like grew orchids, he would go read all the books he could find on orchids and then he would happen to run into that person at a party here and eight.

I just brought my old friends with me to the party. But yeah, that's what he basically everything was the study.

And he would manipulate people into falling in love with him as basically marrying them and being like, I am just like you.

I am also an old, rich millionaire, closeted millionaire.

Well, isn't that what we all do to make someone fall in love with us? Or just like I'm this way, I'm this certain way.

And then you're like, no, I'm not is except for me, except for me. Baby, I love you. Like raising my three hundred and fifty person wedding already happened. They can't take it away from you.

OK. Oh hurt.

The writer for Vanity Fair's name was Maureen Orth and she in that article wrote this, which I thought was an amazing paragraph.

Quote, He was a voracious reader with a reported genius level IQ. He coveted the lifestyles of the rich and famous. He tracked possible sugar daddies with care and then would say with a pout that he didn't know whether to fly to New York or Paris for dinner.

He could go. Right. That's the problem most of us have. He could describe the texture and delicacy of the blowfish.

He claimed to have eaten at an 850 dollar Japanese lunch or he would say of a work of art, what year it had been painted, who had owned it through the centuries, what churches it had hung in.

What a boring conversation. Stop talking about the mouthfeel of blowfish food. Oh, you don't like that?

Well, then let me start to lecture you on paintings. Oh, my God. Tell me your hometown murder and shut the fuck up and away from me.

I think that's a weird, sad thing about people who do that kind of big presentation of here's what I'm like when they when you know that a person is presenting you a thing because they think it's what you want.

It not only isn't enjoyable, but then it's also sad because then you have to stand there being like, oh, no, I'm supposed to like this as opposed to like if he walked up and was like, oh, my God, we had it all. I my my dad ran away to the Philippines and now I've nothing you'd be like, oh my God, oh me. Everything down. We have to go over this word for word. Yeah.

It's so much better when you're a mess.

People like you, it's so much better see because we're all a mess. We're all a matter of minutes. We just show it, we wear it in our riped dresses. How many people are sitting in rip dresses tonight who are crying with joy because they have they're like I ripped my two, I got we got one. You and me girl. Yeah. Testiest she's ripping her dress with me too.

Oh. The end of that quote is his wit was biting his memory. Photographic Cunanan story is a singular study in promise crushed.

So obviously this guy was genius and he could have kind of done anything he wanted but he just decided he was going to have to like steal and manipulate to get what he wanted to get back to La Hoya.

Going to be a hustler. Also, I just growing up in Sonoma County, which is like Marin County, is the county above San Francisco where all of the rich people live.

And then you cross into the next county, which is Sonoma County. And all of a sudden it's my. Like, cow shit happens, we also know there's one rich girl sitting up here because she when she said Mirin, she goes Woo! And then Karen goes, all the rich people.

So everyone, she's rich. I'm sorry. She might just like money. I just made her a target. She's like, you're right. She's going to be beaten mercilessly after this.

So but it's just it's anyway, the pressure when you live near those people or among those people to kind of like be over those people, like in high school.

Our volleyball team once played a private school and friend called Catherine Branson, which we had never heard of, and we lived 15 minutes away. That's how like exclusive and private, the school was even heard of the school, had never heard of the school. I'd lived there all my life. And I was like, what school? Not for you. Yeah, honey, no.

In the least we drove in and it was like it looked like a mansion where we're like people go to school at this house like a long driveway with these gorgeous, like, rolling hills.

It was insane. And we all are looking at each other.

And I'm like, you have hay in your hair and shit on your face. Get it, tiger shoes. Like everyone just got so self-conscious of, like we're from a farm. We don't belong here. He had one very close friend named Jeffrey Traill, who he referred to as his brother, and Jeffrey had graduated from the Naval Academy in Annapolis and he was training to be a highway patrol officer. Thank you for your service.

Yeah, we have to assume well, some guy would. And so I assume that, right?

Yeah. With you. Totally with you. Let me explain what just happened. I don't know. I don't know. I really didn't figure that out. Even I thought out cut out my ramblings.

OK, so one weekend he goes up to San Francisco for a fun, crazy weekend. He meets a guy named David Madsen, who is from Minneapolis. David Madsen was a successful architect by all reports. He was incredibly well-liked and very well respected in town.

And he had a really successful life. And he was he kind of had the life that Andrew wanted. And Andrew, all Andrew's friends in this special say that David was the love of his life.

This is another interesting factoid that I that's in this Vanity Fair article because, you know, when this story happened, well, we'll come back to this part.

This part.

It's just one of those things where, like, we you hear these stories over and over again, and then when someone, a really talented journalist, does a deep dive and then they're like, maybe this might have something to do with it, you're like, why didn't they talk about that?

So there's lots of those in here.

OK, but now by the fall of 1996, Andrew's relationships are beginning to dissolve because he's totally on drugs and kind of a very bad liar. So he's got a lot of issues. Also, his boyfriend, David Madsen, who it was a long distance relationship. From what I understand, he would ask him, like, how do you have all this money all the time or how do you how are you doing all this stuff all the time? He just wouldn't answer.

And he also wouldn't give him his address or his phone number. So there were problems in the relationship.

You're not dating if you don't have their phone number.

I mean, is it like you're just like, wait at the diner for me, I'll drive.

At an undisclosed time, David was starting to get the feeling that Andrew had a very dark side that obviously he wasn't telling him about and couldn't share with him, and so he broke up with him. And this very sad note, Andrew kept a picture of David on his refrigerator until the end.

So obviously that he meant a lot to him, but kind of couldn't do it. It was. And he was going into this bad place. So so then his old friend, Jeff Traill, the guy that he referred to as a brother, got a job and and also moved to Minneapolis. And so when Andrew finds out that that's happening, he gives him David Mattson's information and says, you can call this guy, you'll be best friends. That's embellishing.

That's what I would say. Perhaps he didn't say that he'll be best friend. It going to be a total destines. It's going to be hilarious verbatim. Yeah. That's from Maureen Orth, Vanity Fair.

Andrew, the one person he hadn't lost in the 1996 peel off of all friends and good people in his life was his current sugar daddy, a man named Norman Blatchford, who put him up in a million dollar home and paid him 2500 dollars a month?

Well, just to be friends, that's what we have with Stephen, that if you feel bad and yell at him, except for the title deal with Stephen, it's over the house and the money.

Right.

So Andrew actually got Blatchford to sell his house in Scottsdale, moved into the La Hoya house that was once owned by a man named Lincoln Aston, who was a wealthy older friend of Cunanan, who in 1995 had been bludgeoned to death with a stone obelisk.

So he gets his Andrew gets his sugar daddy to to move into the house of his dead ex sugar daddy.

I guess in a, quote, mentally troubled loner whom Aston had picked up was convicted of the crime.

I would just file that. That's not the end. It's not the end.

But it turns out that Norman Blatchford was a member of a group called Gamma Mu, which was an extremely private fraternity of about 700, very rich, mostly Republican, often closeted gay men who twice a year sponsor posh fly ins to cities around the world.

I didn't understand a word of that. Why not? It's the most amazing statement of all time. Maureen Orth of Vanity Fair busts open this like it's like a gay closeted fraternity. And I'm like, what?

How did this make it to the papers? They named themselves like a fraternity. What was it called? Amamou.

Oh, huh. So they basically they're so rich. Did they just meet at different cities around the world?

So then Andrew actually becomes a member of Gamma for a little while and he makes all these contacts within that group.

So he's basically working within these incredibly power, powerful and rich, kind of secretly gay men somewhere, somewhere, which is another very interesting fact of how connected this guy was. Yeah, he wasn't just some guy that snapped.

This paper is so thick. I thought I was holding two pieces of paper. Thirty seconds. This is why I interrupted myself. It's in we could make so many crafts out of this snowflake.

It's just a big, long paper chain with murders on the inside. OK. Let's really focus Charente, not what this podcast is called.

OK, so in the drugs and in also Andrew was really obsessed with very violent gay porn and he started getting into S.A.M..

So and a lot of his friends think it was this the drug element of his life was taking over and he was having to do things more and more and got more and more desperate because of the things that he had to do. And he also was into there was like he would brag about owning a warehouse that was full of things that fell off a truck and he would invite his friends. You should come. There's VCRs and there's TVs and their stuff and everyone's like, no, thank you.

That's just like trying to walk away and know that walk away song is the the this is no.

You walk away in slow motion old and I mean the. I don't want to I don't want your stolen goods. No ordinary love. So, Hoback, that's called a callback like an asshole. He's also complaining that his sugar daddy is being cheap with him, flying him first class to these secret affairs and putting him up in a million dollar home and paying him thousands of dollars a month for, you know, light sex, we would imagine.

So basically, the sugar daddies like see you later.

I can do this anywhere with anyone, which he couldn't believe. He was totally shocked that someone would break up with him.

He then his demeanor starts to change. And there's a kind of a sad story of this girl who in throughout the whole biography thing is kind of defending him, saying he was so sweet and jovial on the life of the party. She tells the story of seeing him in this phase. And it was the last time she saw him alive and she saw him and was like Andrew and he just basically OK and hugged her and walked away. So he was like, they think he might have been into heroin.

He's doing all the drugs he was dealing. They thought he was gaining weight. He just he was changing. So in April of 1997, Jeffrey Traill, who's here in Minneapolis, tells a friend he had this huge falling out with Andrew and quote, I've got to get out of here. They're going to kill me. He was apparently Andrew asked him to work security in his import export business, and which basically was B, a drug runner for me.

And Jeffrey was like I told him to fuck off. It is the quote that wasn't me.

Amazingly, that's not really saying the F word. Yeah, he told him to fuck off, but then he got scared because he was like, Andrew, you know, the ideas that he started threatening him. Police theorize that Jeffrey Trail may have warned David Martin, stay away from Andrew.

Something bad is not right. So Andrew tells his friends he's going to move to San Francisco. They have a big dinner the night that he's supposed to leave. And all of his friends at the dinner start saying, oh, who knows Andrew better? I know I've known this long. I've known him this long. I've known him this long. And it's just kind of a fun party table talk. And then it goes quiet. And Andrew says, None of you know me and none of you know the truth.

Oh, anyway, see you later. I'll call you. But you can't call me because I didn't give you my phone number. So the next day he leaves for Minneapolis.

Now, David Madsen, his plan was to stay with David Matz and David Mansons. Friends were all like, why are you letting that guy stay with you? So the night he got there, they he and David Madsen was the kind of person he was like always trying to help people.

He was like a supporter of the underdog. He was a good guy. And so they he David took Andrew to dinner.

All his work friends were the night he got here. And this woman tells a story where she was like he was just really aggressive and really weird.

And at one, he was giving David a bunch of shit about his shirt and like, insulting that. It wasn't like designer one of those things. And then she said something and he goes, Well, you're quite the bitch, aren't you?

A woman he'd never met. Mark So two nights later, Andrew invites Geoffrey Trail over to David Mattson's apartment. And that night, Mattson's neighbors told police that they heard yelling and thumping. And at one point they heard someone yell, get the fuck out. So Andrew and David Madsen were seen walking David's dog the next day.

But then when David Mattsson didn't show up for work for two days after that, his friends began to worry. So they went over to his apartment, knocked on the door, and they could hear whispering inside. But nobody came to the door and they were really worried. So they ended up calling police and police get there and they break in the door and they find the dead body of Jeffrey Trail rolled up in a carpet.

He was struck multiple times in the head with a clawhammer, which was lying nearby.

Four days later, two fishermen find David Mattson's body in Rush Lake.

Holy shit, he'd been shot in the head and in the back of the 40 caliber pistol.

So when the news reached San Diego, because they all knew that he did it right, when the news reaches San Diego, where he's known as Andrew de Silva Silva, and his picture comes up on the news as Anderson on it and all his friends are like, wait, what?

Like, that's his real name. And now they see their good friends that they used to party with is wanted for a double murder. And they're like, oh, look at that.

You know, like if you're in that position, all of a sudden you're like, oh, that that weird thing he did at a party, like, all of a sudden you're like remembering every conversation was one.

I did like a weird, you know, thing.

We were talking to somebody and they seem interested and also and they glaze and then go somewhere else and you're like, OK. Oh, right. So then basically Andrikienė is now on the run. So he steals David Mattson's jeep and he drives to Chicago and he gets to the Gold Coast townhouse of seventy five year old real estate tycoon Lee McGlinn. McGlynn was esteemed in the political. And social circles of Chicago on May 4th, they find mignons body in his garage.

He's been stabbed repeatedly in the chest with garden shears. His throat was cut with a sword laid. His head was wrapped in masking tape. And two thousand dollars goes missing from his apartment, along with several expensive suits, gold coins and his Lexus. Police find that McGlinn was a happily married man of 38 years and that he and Andrew Cunanan were strangers, which is a fact that Midland's family vehemently confirms. So that night they find the jeep around the corner from the townhouse and it's the one that David Mattsson owns.

So now they know Andrew Cunanan is on the run in a Lexus. So he's now the prime suspect in three murders. So he he drives to New York. And when he gets to New York, he goes shopping on Fifty Seventh Street. You know, when you just killed a bunch of people, how you do where you go to the fancy part of town and get some jeans or whatever is very cheap, probably.

That's right. He also went clubbing, which is what he did on May 8th. He gets back into the Lexus and he's on the run again. And just outside Philadelphia, he decides to use the car's cell phone. Now, this is you know, this is long ago when cell phones weren't that big a deal. And so immediately the police had already been monitoring it. So immediately the police are like, he's right outside Philadelphia.

So then he hears it on the radio.

He's listening to the radio, and then he hears the report that he's right outside of Philadelphia. So he drives to Jersey and he pulls up to a cemetery. He finds the caretaker shoots and kills him on site and steals his 1995 red Chevy pickup truck. Now he is the so this four murders. He is now on the FBI's top ten most wanted list. And he goes onto America's Most Wanted that week. Oh, my gosh.

And I think that's when everybody, probably all of America really came like this whole story really came to light. And everyone kind of knew because there was a point in time where, like, this was all that was happening.

Yeah, it was really weird. And just the idea that there was a serial killer on the run that was trackable is so crazy.

Or spree killer. OK, so May 12th, he arrives in South Beach in Miami. He checks into the Normandy Plaza Hotel and the owner says that they would see him sometimes he had black hair and sometimes he had white hair and sometimes he had curly hair and sometimes he had straight hair. And then she goes, I think he was wearing wigs.

Yeah, but they said other than that, he was really quiet.

He never brought anybody in. He was really nice and that you'd never even pay attention to him. But he ends up being able to stay there from May until the beginning of July.

Wow. Yeah. So he's just super low key. But they say that in retrospect, they found out he would go to a diner where cops hang out like he a classic psychopath. And that way he thought he was smarter than everybody.

And he was liking he was liking the fame because this was what he always wanted.

He wanted to be well known and respected and regarded and famous. And it was happening in the worst way possible.

Sunbird Yeah, exactly. Likely to be remembered.

Yeah. The little after me, the storm. So on July 7th, he's running out of money. So he takes some of the gold coins that he stole from Lee Midland's townhouse, and he sells them at a pawn shop where he signs his real name and gives a thumbprint at the pawn shop. This is required for pawn shops. Apparently, they take that documentation, they turn it into the police.

The police never see it because the paperwork and problems. Sure. So that just sits there like they answered all their questions, just kind of like on the pop atop a pile of papers.

It doesn't matter in probably their biggest issue at the moment.

Right, coins, you know what I mean? There's a guy that has an office that just as gold coins on the door, he's like, guys, I swear to God, I've got a theory. And you're like that fucking idiot. Don't worry about Dave. He's always got a theory about coins. So July 11th, he's spotted at a Sam buy a sandwich. So sorry, she just stuck her fingers in my tissue. Sorry. It's OK.

It's like we do this sometimes. Like, I'm trying to make a point to you and say, I saw you do that was like so that's like the Palmolive hand dip. But I just right into your fucking Kleenex. It's like I try to hide this as well as I can. And the fact that my nose is running constantly, you need to get an old sweater like my grandma so you can shove them up the sleeves.

That's what she is did over at the airport when I had a scarf on and I was just talking, we were talking and eye contact blew my nose in the scarf.

She blew her nose into her own scarf while staring at me like, what the fuck are you going? Do about it, and I was like, you know what I'm going to do, I'm going to celebrate you because that's what we do. This is my burden. Allergies are her burden.

She's just OK. July 11th, he spotted in a sandwich shop and the cashier, who is also in this special, whatever special was, he's like, I watched. He goes, I watch America's Most Wanted and I really pay attention. So when he walked up, it clicked and I was like, fuck, yes, murdering out fucking those of us, we don't just put it on in the background while we're doing the dishes. We study those faces.

And when we go out into the world, we look for those people. Hell yeah. We look at license plates. We're checking Amber Alert. Tell me about it. I want to help. OK. He called police.

Andrew's gone before they arrive. He's spotted 10 more times in the neighborhood. Same exact thing happens on the morning of July 15th. Designer Gianni Versace, who lived in the area in a gorgeous mansion because he was the biggest deal. I mean, he was the he was the hilt of everything.

And now I'm going to go back a couple pages. I told you to remember.

This is so I always was fascinated with that connection, why would he just go how did he get there? How do we know he lived there? Whatever, Andrew, this is from that Vanity Fair article. They say witnesses saw Andrew and Gianni Versace speak in a San Francisco nightclub, the nightclub colossus, in 1990. I always wonder, Versace was in town because he designed costumes for the San Francisco Opera and that night and eyewitnessed recalls, Cunanan was smugly pleased that Versace's seemed to recognize him.

I know you, Versace's said, wagging a finger and the then 21 year old's direction. Largo to Como. No.

And Cunanan replied, Thank you for remembering Senor Versace, the most pompous conversation that's ever happened in America that morning.

Every morning, Gianni Versace would get up and he would walk down to the newsstand. He would buy the newspapers and magazines and buy coffee, and he would walk back home. So as he's coming home, he had the key in the gate walking into his house and andrikienė on and walked up behind him and shot him twice in the head. And he died instantly on his front steps. And this is the murder that I mean, this was on the news.

They kept showing the steps with the blood on them. And it's this gorgeous house that looks like it should be in Italy. It's like is so crazy. And and then he walked away. So Versace's longtime companion, Anthony D'Amico, was inside the house, heard the gunshots, came out, saw him walking away. Oh, my God. And started to chase him, as did neighbors and people that were standing around because it wasn't like an empty street.

It was just this cold blooded killing in public. A bunch of people started chasing him and then he turned around and acted like he was going to shoot them. They stopped and then he ran. So that and clutching my purse.

So then police find William Reese, antique cemetery caretaker that got murdered. They find his stolen truck with evidence linking Cunanan to the entire murder spree in a parking garage. There are bloody clothes.

There was there was evidence from every every part of the murder spree. So the Miami police hold a press conference announcing that Andrew Cunanan was wanted for the murder of Gianni Versace. They asked the public for help and they're inundated with thousands of calls, of course, because everyone has a sighting. And there were a thousand from across the country, 400 from within South Beach alone. And many of them were from an area off of Collins Avenue, which is down by where all the yachts are, the yachts and the houseboats, because he always got to come back to yachting.

So they go they trace them back to that hotel room at the Normandie Hotel.

They find fashion magazines, they find hair clippers, but they don't know where he's going to turn up next. So there's these amazing kind of famous announcements that the cops would make where they're like people. You have to help us like cops were on the news going, we need the public's help.

We have to find this guy because he is truly just on a legit murder spree. Back on July twenty third, caretaker Fernando Carrera stopped by a large blue house boat whose owner was away on business. And we got to the front door.

He noticed one of the locks was missing and then inside he heard a gunshot. So he calls police and there's a tense four hour standoff. Police cut off electricity. Eventually they shoot tear gas into the house. But do they know it's him or they're just they don't they're just like it's highly likely that.

Right. So upstairs, it's a two story house.

Both us. That part blew my mind.

I was like, did I misread upstairs in the house? Oh, isn't it just a anyway, upstairs they find the body of water cannon and lying dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head that this houseboat was three miles away from Versace's mansion. Wow.

So he he barely ran at all. And while and just the subsequent piece of information, the FBI revealed that within 48 hours of the murder of Versace's murder, Andrew and had contacted an associate on the West Coast trying to get help for a passport to leave the country. But it just sounds like he didn't he got discovered before he made it.

And that's that that's Anakin Olins murder spree. It's a lot as a lot. Great job, Karen. Oh, thank you. Wow. Thank you. Wow, wow, such a sad story. I mean, horrible, horrible. Just yeah. Yeah, really. One of the worst and one of the worst and then pointless. So I mean. And just just terrible. Yeah. But now here's what's interesting, because this is a true quilt's episode.

Yes. Guess what we're doing. We're going back to George's show. Right. So now we're leaving October 18th. Twenty seventeen.

And we're going and we're going back to King's Theater in a year on the year to the back to the King's Theater, where we just were to listen to the hometown that was told that night.

All right. Well, it's time for a hometown murder. Look at space. Do you have any words of wisdom for us, Vince, try to get you guys hot pretzels, but they ran the fuck out so you sons of bitches. Thanks for trying. Thank you for trying to give them the rules, Lorenda. I feel like you know the rules. Yeah. Brooklyn knows if you've had more than four cans of wine, sit down, sit down and think about what you're doing.

It needs to be local. You need to be able to tell it concisely. There needs to be a beginning, a middle and an end. Don't leave us hanging. It's great to know what happened. If you're going to tell us if somebody did something bad to somebody else, it's good to know what that person did at the end. And then, I guess just in general, remember that everyone in the audience hates you for getting picked. So just do it quickly and bring me a can of wine.

John, do you mean you can do it? You're being so polite. Yeah. I hate doing this come up this way. Oh, it's so hard to see these faces. This is Danniella, everybody say hi there, there. I know, isn't it terrifying, come over here. Where are you from? So I'm actually from Orlando. OK, but I lived here for three years, my hometown of local, I promise. OK, great.

All right. Just go. Yeah, go ahead.

So this is the murder of Danielle Thomas.

She lived in Astoria, Queens. So in 2010, I moved to New York.

Danielle was a really great friend of my mom. I met her a few times right after I moved to New York. She moved. She moved to New York and she moved here to be with her fiancee. So in 2012, sadly, she just there was a lot of the relationship. She went to the police, got a restraining order. Crazy stuff. One day I'm literally on break from my lunch at work and my mom calls. She's like Daniela.

I don't know what to do. Daniel's dead like I couldn't believe it, so come to find out. Jason had actually strangled her to death. Oh, no. Horrible. Left her in the bathtub on ice, called the police and he called the police himself. He called the police himself. You know, let them know to come and get her. She ran look like two weeks later he turned himself in and he's in jail for life.

Good. Oh, my God. Thank God. And again, Danielle was in a really special person to my mom.

My mom passed away three years ago, and it's OK. And it's just a really emotional story. Yeah. My sister Julia, so she wanted me to say her name, but we both just really have a strong connection to that murder. And I really think my mom for the my true crime obsession. Yeah, but that's the whole time. I'm sorry. That was good. That was good. Yeah, but again, they know she has a memorial scholarship fund that her mom and her grandmother do every year, she's from Kentucky.

And look it up, Daniel Thomas. For, you know, I know that's what it's like. Great job. Oh, kay. Hey, we talk.

But who it is. But it turned out OK. She got she got by.

Hi, Elvis. Elvis came just for the end of the show. Perfect. Well, then let's wrap it up. All right.

Well, thanks, you guys. We will talk to you next week. Yeah. Thanks so much for listening. We hope you guys are mentally doing OK.

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