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This is exactly right. Hello.

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Go to the Pod, the podcast, that's Georgia Star, that's Karen Kilgariff. I thought you're going to say it with me.

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Like, I was like, this is going to get old real quick. Well, I refuse.

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This whole thing's gotten old, everybody. What, 20, 20 am I am I right?

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Ladies and gentlemen, what a year.

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Well, I'm sitting here with my my drink of choice for twenty twenty non-alcoholic beer. How is it.

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It's actually pretty good. People are like what. Which one do you like. And it doesn't matter. It just tastes like a big pilsner like you haven't found one that I'm like this is great. You know, I find and this is probably we may have even talked about this, but because you just took a sip and it's in a bottle, like, I feel like whether it's in a can or a bottle or you've poured it out into a frosty glass, there's a lot of ritual around drinking that when you substitute what's in the glass, it kind of yeah, we know that there's the escape aspect that can be nice, but there is the part where if you're just if you got a nice cold bottle with you, that does a lot, it gets the job done.

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And a lot of I don't like these empty calories.

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It's just like at the end of the day and I'm like, fuck, I'm stressed out. I want to open a beer and fucking drink a beer. And it's like, will you? That's all you want. You know, I want a little bit of that tingly drunkeness, but it never stops there. So this is this works. Well, you know why? Because it starts to tingle and they're like, let's get this thing go. And then the tingle turns into a full on Tekle and then you tickle turns into it.

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Interpretive dance in the middle. Zinda, I got to sing. How is it think Thanksgiving.

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Speaking of Thanksgiving, it was wonderful. It was also my dad's 80th birthday. Yeah. So I drove up to be with the family, stayed in the pod. A lot of people being as judgmental as they can about people doing what they can do for the holidays. I would say I would say if you're starting to get into things like that of like trying to run around and yell at people about them seeing four members of their family, maybe dial it down a bit or look inside, check in with yourself.

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How are you?

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How am I trust that people are doing things after we're all we've all been in this for nine months. So there we know how to do things safely and trust that we've all also had serious threats and near misses. And we're scared. We're all scared. I assume everyone's as scared as you. Yeah, I drove up. You should have seen me at the gas stations on the five getting out so quickly. My hands are like two.

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They're they're horrifying.

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It's it's like something out of a horror movie because of the drive and all this. Yes. So much sand sanitiser. Any time I go out and in anywhere like you're washing your hands, but then you sanitize because you also touch the door and you know there's a system. Yeah. But I had to be there because Jim turned 80. Your home, Jim is 80. And here's the thing. My sister was a genius because she planned ahead in a way that at the time bugged me.

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And then when it was happening, I was like, thank God. Yeah, it's brilliant.

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She did she did. One of those make a video ahead of time. Totally.

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Every she sent an email to all my dad's friends, family, people that are close in our lives.

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And but I would say only about 60 percent of the people were able to actually make and return the videos because they're all also eighty or near eighty. So there were people that would just email my sister back going, I'm sorry, I can't do this. Like, I literally can't figure out. And it's the funniest thing because it was you just pressed a button and started recording there.

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So I feel like we should give a shout out to whatever the site is because some brilliant fucking, you know, person came. I think it's called tribute. Yes, that's it. It's such a smart business idea, especially in covid especially think about it. It was all these people because we were it was a little depressing and it was similar to our Thanksgiving, which is a little depressing because we have a huge family and there's always a minimum. Twenty five people at every holiday.

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So it was a little it was a little low key.

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And then, you know, we did gave my dad a couple regular gifts. And then then I was like, oh, this is not this is a real downer.

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Then I remembered my sister's video. I was like fucking icing on the cherry on top.

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So it's really funny. And there was like firemen in the video that he hadn't seen or talked to in 20 years because they're all retired and they it's people he hadn't seen. Then he starts telling us these stories as people show up in the video.

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This guy one time, then you guys showed up in the Middle East and I did one. We didn't know what the. To say it was really short, but it was the everyone's was everyone kind of was just like trying to say something nice and we'll see you next year. But it was the cutest because I, I tend to do this. But when my dad saw Vince and George, well, sorry, but he when he saw Vince, he said, there's my buddy.

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He was so surprised that you guys did it. He was. So it was just the cutest. It was. And it was all these people going, we love you, we miss you. We'll see you next year type of thing. So it was it was so sweet.

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And I told you and Laura, I was we were so honored to be included, you know, it was just like nice. And we loved Jim, so. Yeah, such a good idea.

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I mean, some of his best friends, I mean, it was very sweet. Yeah.

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But then he started telling stories because of course there's all these firemen that that and then some some of the firemen sent my sister ITW long emails about my dad because they couldn't make the video work. And pictures where she's like wouldn't have been great if this was in there, but she had to do it separately. Yeah, it was really funny, but he started talking about this thing they used to do in the firehouse.

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It was like there was a picture that came up where my dad was wearing like eight sombreros and he goes, oh, that's that night. So every different night of the week, they would have a special dinner where it would be hat night. One night it was nose night. And he started to tell the story. I was like, oh, no, no, this is going to be racist. This is going to be problematic. There's going to be.

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And it was just like they all were different animal noises while they were it was like it was the cutest and it was stuff where he would normally like, remember those stories or tell those stories or whatever. It was hilarious. That's adorable. I love that. It was a really good.

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Can I tell you the one thing that happened of note on our Thanksgiving the day before, which I was like, this is going to be great to tell the podcast, and as it's gone by, I'm like, this isn't that interesting?

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So I'm going to make it, you know? I mean, can it be nose night? Well, then it was nose night. Well, so Vince is going to be going to bring the turkey and the day before and then cook it the next day. So we have the big, huge bag out because it's all this brining liquid on top of the turkey so that turkey in the bag on the counter and we're filling I'm holding it up and he's filling it with water with all the brining shit inside.

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And then one of the sides of the bag slips from my hand. And this tidal wave of salmonella fucking brine water splashed all like poured on door into our dining room. So we spent the rest of the day like, what's it called? Clean, like steam cleaning, everything. It was just a horror moment that just felt. So I know that we blame everything bad now in twenty twenty. But it was so twenty twenty.

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It was a classic twenty twenty Thanksgiving experience. Yes. Now.

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Oh I guess it's still poultry because I was just, I always think it's just chicken with salmonella. I almost don't get anything. I think it's just for me.

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But I think Romney, I think I wouldn't be as freaked out about like, you know, if I had steak because I eat raw steak. It's not a big deal. But sure, turkeys, just chicken salmonella study.

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You do not want to eat raw and then I don't want it on her fucking like on our beautiful rug in on our barstools, like soaked into the bar stool that I have. Yeah. I almost I almost lost it. It was great. We didn't snap at each other like I was like how can I. This is his fault. I'm like, no it's not dammit. Yeah. Good. Hey, that's progress. Yeah. That's like holding yourself in the moment and being like, wait now hold on.

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There was an accident so then it was it. So from the way you just told it, it was your. Well right before it happened I said maybe we should have done this in the cooler because we were going to transfer the bag into a cooler. And right after that, yeah, I told you it's me. If it was anyone's fault, it was mine because it did slip out of my hand.

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I'm just saying, based on your the information you gave me, I'm not also like a fear, like we should have done this in the cooler and here's why. And you just intentionally drop it. Thank God. I like, for some reason hard cleaning appliances. Wow, that's good.

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I, I think everything went like, you know what the funniest thing was? My sister made these mashed potatoes and she made them earlier in the day and then she had Nora and I try them and they were perfect. They were so good. We are both like oh like we both got big spoons, just keep on eating.

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But it was like breakfast time. But you're like, these are perfect. When she served them at dinner time, they had turned a little sour. Oh no. And we couldn't figure out like how or why. And she was super bummed because obviously, like mashed potatoes are the key to Thanksgiving.

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And then later I was like, you know, and I'm kind of glad because if you had the original version, I would have eaten so much more. But instead, it was like it's Trix sick, like girls, you know, that they're like, if I put extra pepper, I won't want to eat this or that, but it just.

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Like happen to us, I love, like the flakes, like box of flakes of mashed potatoes, so it didn't taste good anyways to begin with, you do instant mashed potatoes.

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Yeah, yeah. Sometimes it's just me and I married a Midwesterner. That's what he was in the CIO camp.

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Come on, do. Or if I can, we're not lazy.

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We're just like like a shortcut, you know. Yeah, true. True, true. I was aware that I just don't care. I would think I care, but I do what's best. Yeah. Like when you when you're and then we stop talking about Thanksgiving if you want. I don't. When we first met Vince and I, he was telling me about how at Thanksgiving he has to have that green bean casserole, you know, the one with like the fake the can of cream of mushroom soup and the can of fucking green beans and then the onions on top.

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And I we had never had that. And I was like, well, maybe we could try it at night. We can make cream of mushroom soup and we can get fresh green. And I started like trying to make it nicer. And he was like, no, no. He like, put his foot. Sounds like that's not what we fucking do.

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I want to trash version of it because it has all the that's like the my mother's many recipes that involved several cans of cream of something soup. Campbell's cream is something soup.

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You need the sodium, you need the like preservatives. All the different things are interacting in a very specific way to get you the flavor just is the exact flavor you had when you were eight or whatever.

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Yes. I don't know why we never used cream of anything stupid. Whenever we we didn't use something normal as a kid. I always just assumed that the company was anti-Semitic.

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I just assumed my mom knew something I didn't like.

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Cream of soup companies were. And so I probably like have spread rumors about certain companies being anti-Semitic just because we never used them.

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And it's purely like getta didn't like six o'clock. My mom was really hardcore. She would not use margarine and she would not use anything but Bestfoods real mayonnaise, any miracle whip was. I remember being at friends houses when the mom would make us like a turkey sandwich and it was a miracle whip instead of me.

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I always think I'll never let it go away. So weird. It's like it's it's it's sweeter and it's like there's something else going on entirely as opposed to just this is your, like, sandwich meat moisturizer that you're using to get the bread down that you have quit.

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It brings a whole like it's almost going into the ambrosia area. You like what? It's to dessert.

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I'm like a turkey or salami sandwich. It's I'm telling you, the composition of my refrigerator when I moved in with a guy from the Midwest has changed so drastically. There's shit in there that I would have never like. What's the thing of not Miracle Whip, but it's the whipped cream one cool, cool whip. And then we have like I would never my mom was always big on, like, real maple syrup. You have two real maple syrup and he wants the fucking log cabin or whatever.

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So we have both of them.

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And it's like a sitcom, you know, it's you know what it is.

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I will never not think it's a great conversation when there's a group of people at a dinner table. God, most people wouldn't.

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There's a group of people at a dinner table, at a restaurant or whatever. And people start talking about like, what was your blank from blank.

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So it's like this people talking about like arguing about whether Cheetos are better than cheese puffs, which I actually thought for so long. I'm sure I've said this on the podcast before. I used to think cheese puffs were were made for movie brand.

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I always thought those were fake, really. I was like, well yeah, cheese. She's props Cheetos. Like they can't use the Cheeto brands. They're calling them cheese puffs. They're probably not.

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Oh I see what you're saying, because they look so real to me. They're like not real fake.

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They look like, yes, you just look they look like tiny panny. They look like packing materials.

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But orange. Yeah, I love that.

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What was the thing your family ate the most, you know, every night. What was your like, normal meals. Did you eat it. Yes.

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MINUT rice, a frozen corn like as a as a dessert, as a vegetable, your poor poor care.

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And my mom, like my mom was hardcore about it has to be real like dairy products basically. But then she was like she would absolutely thaw out a thing of like brussel sprouts and boil them and then just put them straight on your plate where you're like, sorry, how as an eight year old, am I supposed to get this down? It's like it's just like a sitcom joke on your plate. Yes.

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Yeah, she it but miniaturise got us through. It was always like a minute rice, some dry chicken breasts.

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Yeah. You definitely did like the Rice Aroney thing and.

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Yeah, but we never my mom never did stuff like Hamburger Helper, which I was always like, oh, I wanted that same standard. Yeah, I did too.

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Yeah, once she got a job, we stopped, but we'd go to my my like soft spot is for Mimi's cafe. You know that place. Yeah. And that's actually when I was on Doughboy's I did Mamie's Cafe because I was like that's my like childhood love. It's like it's a faux French cafe, like Denny's type of thing for anyone listening. It's just like. But it's not French at all.

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No, but I actually never heard of it until that one that was over by your old apartment. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was new, but it's been around.

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Oh yeah. I was in Irvine in the eighties and nineties I think.

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Yeah. Me, me that I, I loved it. It was like when our family was happy, that's when we were there.

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Yeah. What else. What do you got. What are you watching.

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What are you doing. Oh shoot. OK, so did you watch The Undoing. The Nicole Kidman. Hugh Grant.

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I started it and I hated it but I guess I didn't get to the twisty part. To the big twisty turny. Yeah, I didn't mind. I liked it. I hougan I can watch him read the newspaper.

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He is a brilliant. They were great. They were her.

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I could stare at her paws all day long because they're not there. Yeah, she is. How does she look younger than when she was in dead calm when she was nineteen years old. Nothing makes sense about Nicole Kidman.

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It's a, it's a it's a Hollywood joy to watch a woman that gorgeous thrive and just continue to be in a million things. It's great. But it ended. And it's that thing is like if I say one thing, I'll be spoiled central.

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So I know the spoiler. So I think I'll go back because I didn't find out till after we were both like, this is fucking boring. This is just fucking rich people.

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Like I think there is a real rich people aspirational. It's almost like the Kardashians for adults is what it feels like. We're like you see Donald Sutherland playing the piano in that apartment in New York, 80 foot ceilings and parquet floors and a view of the park.

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And you're just like like that. That's what that's what it's all about. You know, I was in the middle of listening to this book. It's called An Easy Street by Rachel Sherman. And it's just interviews with, like, aspirational wealthy people and how they live their lives and what they're all like, pretty anonymous. So they openly talk and they're all in New York and they're all couples. And so one couple usually has an inheritance in the other works.

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And how that dynamic works and couple, you know, gay and straight couples, it's couples with kids, everything. But it's like the it's a peek into how, like generationally wealthy fucking people live. And I was in the middle of it, so I and I was just like, holy shit. So that might have deterred that.

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Sorry, that's a but it was an audio book.

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You're it's audio book. I'm Easy Street. Yeah. Wow. It's really interesting. After the undoing ended, I was on streaming streaming live. We're going to talk about the same show.

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Is it murder on middle dude. Oh my God.

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OK, I when it started I was like the dad did recommended it to me.

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The dad did it. The dad did it. The dad did it in the first episode. How many episodes are you in. So there's total four episodes. There's only three that are up right now. So we just we are like obsessed. We watched it the minute it came out. So we watched all three. How many watched? How are you still on the dad when there's literally anyone else to do? That's why I said, like in the very beginning, I was like, this is boring.

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It's the dad. And then it was like, hey, switcheroo, what's up? Multilevel marketing? What's up, fucking family members? What's up? Like, what's up with the hottest fucking guy I've ever seen in my life? The documentary filmmaker who's Zac Efron?

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Yeah, he's total Zac Efron. He has 2.0, but with a heart break.

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It's his life has been it's a final. I feel so awful for that guy.

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Every interview. I mean, here's the thing. It's funny to match that up and it's an unfair comparison entirely. But to match it up against a show like The Undoing where you can watch it trying to surprise you. Yeah, right. Yeah.

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And then this thing comes on and I'm just like with someone's lived life and like it's and he's been making it for ten years.

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So he's uncovering these things in this. I mean, it is if you haven't seen murder on Middleby. Yeah, I highly recommend and sorry for the spoilers, but also I don't think that's the dad. It's the first episode. And I think that that's what everyone's assuming, is that it's the dad and the beginning and then it just goes off the fucking rails.

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I feel like it is. I just was like, it makes me feel like I'm from the most normal family of all time.

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Definitely made me feel better about my insane family.

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Like, yeah, but but also it made me go I think I don't know anyone from Connecticut. I think that's like more importantly, more importantly, what those people doing over there.

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Intense living in Connecticut, yeah, and it's all secretive, it's all like no one can know how many secrets we have.

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There's it's it's about the secrets they are it's like their miracle whip. Little secrets in Connecticut.

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They like they got they got a lot of miracle whip in their closets. Yeah, they do. With those skeletons, along with a twenty four foot skeleton.

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That miracle whip though, it's twenty four feet. Well how tall is it. Twelve o'clock.

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That's not as cool. I'm the one that lied and said it was twenty. I bought that because I love it. I also don't really understand like inches and feet.

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Now my dad yelled at me once because I said something was it was something like this when I was like, that's twelve feet tall. And he goes, What do you do?

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And it was it was like seven feet tall or something, but is a sailing's only eight feet tall. And I was like, why are you acting like that's something that everyone is taught in school. Whatever. Sorry, I've never, I've never put drywall.

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I didn't know that. I didn't either. Now I have a six over six foot husband to be like if he laid down how how many Invensys with this. Yeah.

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For social distancing. That's what I think every time. Yeah. Is you're certainly not one Vince away from me right now. That's right. You should be.

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Absolutely should be. Yeah. That's so funny. Murder on Myrtle Beach. So fucking good. I'm so glad you watched it too. It's the last episode is this this Sunday. But I assume I feel like we would have known if he solved it. You know what I mean? I don't know, because the whole thing like I've had. You ever heard of table parties before?

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No, no. I heard in, like, the whole multilevel marketing, what is it called? Pyramid scheme, the kind of like a similar thing I've heard of. It's just money. You're not even selling anything. It's just like people on top and people have to buy in to get to the top.

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I want to know what was really going on. First of all, like this. The the documentary could have been about that alone. Yeah. And there's Dallin that there's plenty it gives and gives.

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I can't believe there's only one more episode. I was hoping there was at least three more. Yeah, well, I feel like just like the sad Zac Efron has a future in and movies so. Oh yeah. And documentaries. So we'll see more of that.

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This is a huge spoiler, but I'll just say this to you. The part where he goes back to the house and the woman who lives there, a grief counselor who lost her mom two.

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Oh, and then it's like that when he's standing in his old bedroom, like the thought of sitting in my old bedroom makes me teary. But also your mom was killed. They're not. Yeah, not in his bedroom. No spoiler. It's just like heart wrenching. It's horrible.

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And like he said, like like my my whole life changed immediately.

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Like, it just changed like on a dime, which is it is that thing of me recording. Ah, this past Minnesota in my bedroom where it's just literally piles of like old books, childhood bedroom.

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My parents changed my bedroom like my foot wasn't out the door and my mom was just like, get rid of all of this shit.

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I can TV that shit minute out that she's like, we need an office and we need a place to do sit ups.

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With this weird machine that got put in here in nineteen eighty seven has never been touched again. Never it never worked and it hasn't been touched.

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So don't worry about it. But it's still fucking here if you want to try it.

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But it's wrapping, it's repping the abs. We've all dreamed of this. That's our aspirational ABS machine. I love it in my room for some reason. I mean are there real abs? They're only aspirational.

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Yeah. Let's see. Murder on Myrtle Beach, Mandalorian. I'm kind of being forced to watch that relationship. Watching it.

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Sure. Good. It's good practice. You give. You receive.

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Yes.

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You know how I said last week that I was really obsessed with Dollhouse is like mid century modern dollhouse is a new thing that I'm obsessed with scrolling R BS because I wish there was a do you know there's this thing called Cottage Corps.

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Have you heard of it?

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Now it's this like a static lifestyle, mostly women and who have this. It's almost like a like a little house on the prairie style aesthetic, like back to the Prairie making things with your hands. Everything is twee and darling and and I think, you know, like baking things. So like the quarantine is really fucking boosting it. So sure. I was like, this sounds very Mormon. It does, but it's not. Yeah, but it's it's very millennial and like GenZE ish.

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So I was like, what if I start raising bees in my backyard?

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And then I looked it up for five minutes. It's really fucking hard. So instead, I'm just following this Instagram called the Mister Dot, Mrs Bee Rescue, and it's this couple in San Diego who go to like.

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People call them like honey, there's bees in my wall and they just and they film it and it's fucking fascinating, like they pull out these honeycombs and they're like, here's this is the queen. And here's how well you can tell by this. And it's obsessive.

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It's obsessive. And I'm obsessed with it. OK, well, Mr. Mrs. Bee Rescue, I think you might as well say, like, I want to raise baby sharks like bees.

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What, or more painful violence kind of pastime.

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I'm not talking about I'm not raising wasps. Bees are like little bumblebees.

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You know, they sting you.

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Yeah, but not me because they probably like me. Oh, I see.

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You're the Snow White of bees. Good. Would you have a beard like in the Guinness Book of World War I? It's like Little Red Riding Hood ish, you know, like weight.

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That reminds me the last movie that I saw in the movie theater, my friend Rob Tobolsk and I, we we were writers on our show together, but then we just became we would just go to the movies all the time and we kind of didn't care. It was just like, let's go see a movie and see what we can do starting. Yeah.

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So one of the last movies I saw in the movie theater was this documentary about a woman and it's called Honey Land. And if you like bees, you might want to check this film out because it's a documentary where the documentary filmmakers went and kind of like lived there. And it's kind of fast.

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She's in a way where she that's what she does. And she, like, talks to her bees.

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And it's me. It's good. It's good. But it's also like it's that kind of thing where we're so inured in ourselves, in America and thinking like this is how everyone is or we think everything's westernized. Yeah. It's amazing to go watch a beekeeper North Macedonia and what her jam is on the day to day. She was with her mom in this house that seems to not have electricity. And her mom is really old. And it's just like you got to see it.

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It's it's a really beautiful movie that we at first, Rob and I were just kind of like, OK, we'll go see that guy. You know what it was? I was late. And so we were supposed to see something else. And then we had to go see the movie once a couple. But then honey land, honey land.

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OK, but then once we saw it, like we were like we talk about it and we we were both like, yeah, we, I think about all the time like it's one of those guys love that.

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OK. Oh that reminds me of did you see the happiest season that just went up on Hulu. And it's, it's created and directed by a friend of the family, Cleo Duvall, and also was written as well by a friend of the family from Wild Horses. Mary Holland is the best. Her character in that movie is like the best character I've ever seen on the movie. It's she's weird and I love her. And it's so much she's the greatest.

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Mary Holland is a friend of the family and just a great individual, like a great person to run into in a green room backstage at a show.

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She's just a lovely human being. Everyone is. So I feel bad that I haven't seen that movie yet because everyone on Twitter loves it. They're raving about it.

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They're they're talking they're getting into it. Like I got choked up in it at the end, you know, at the end of like it's a rom com. So, of course, like, it pulls out all these heartstrings and shit. I didn't even sure. Add them anymore. And, you know, they're in there.

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Yeah, people are. What I love is people are talking about it and they're talking about like apparently if it is on Hulu, it had its premiere numbers were were the biggest they've ever done.

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Amazing. Yeah. It's makes me so happy for all those people. It's such a talented, astounding group of people in the first place. And then basically, yeah, there should be a lesbian rom com. There should be there should be all those things. Yeah. Congratulations to to Mary Holland to clear Duvall to oh Dan Levison. Oh Jesus. I have to see this thing is great. I read a book, I'm just finishing it now. That was so good.

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So I think his name is pronounced Mackell JULlETTE.

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Let me talk to you about it like three episodes ago. Looked did about Hollywood party. Yes. You told me about it. Yeah. On the podcast. Oh that's horrifying. Oh no. Yes I do. Because I said, oh, I have it now. Now I can read it. OK, well I read it, I did it, I read it.

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I read a big long actual hardback book. Yeah.

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And it is he wasn't Synanon as a child. It's like eating a banana.

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It's so unbelievable. It's so heartfelt. I highly recommend listening to it because his you know, he narrates the audiobook. And there's his music is in it, the inner spy inner space interspersed I read the hardback. Well, maybe that's why I didn't think of it. That's horrifying. Well, anyway, well, I like the credit. I'm glad I got the vote. I also vote for that.

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Doubly good from Karen in Georgia. And here is here is a podcast I listen to on my drive back or my drive up. That is trigger, trigger, trigger. And be careful. It's so it's such a sensitive topic, but oh my God, it's an old podcast called Hunting Moorhead. Those Canadian Journalling, one, How to Hunting Motörhead. And it's about online. Child, it's it's it's about pedophile websites and child sex abuse materials, which is I learned in this, they don't call it child pornography because that makes it seem like that's somehow OK.

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But it's child sex abuse. It's it's such an unbelievable podcast. Like every episode I was like, oh, my God. And it was really compelling, really difficult, like, really difficult.

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I don't know if I'm in a good headspace to listen to that right now.

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I feel like no one is and maybe I shouldn't make this recommendation. No, no. Yeah. It's like it's important stuff.

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There are people working really hard to fight it. And it brought up some very difficult questions that I think, ah, it made it very fascinating. I just think I feel like the Canadian journalists kick ass.

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Yeah, they really. I don't know. You can't go wrong. Oh, I'll just say this real quick. My my notebook in front of me from my therapy appointment this morning. Here's what my notebook says. Hope is smart. That's all. OK, hope. Hope is smart. Oh yeah. I love that. Yeah.

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That's my big that's my big problem. Vulnerability. Hope these things that. They all kind of connect, and I just I find them repulsive. I want no part. It's in because things were shitty for so long that it's just like you to hope for better to want something else. It was just like, I don't have time for that. And it's not good for other fucking people.

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It's for normal people who can, like, live normal lives. They get have. Yeah. Yeah.

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Today. Today's that day where Spotify sent a bunch of people the this is the podcast you listen to the most this year and how many hours. And so a bunch of people were posting it to us on Twitter. So I just want to say these are just the people who posted this today. They're ours and they're this is your number one podcast.

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It's so cute. I love that.

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Aaron, Kenz, Sami and Becs, Megan H. Which I think her name is Heather, but it just says H. Korina kills Alex, Emily Lynn Maddi, someone antagonist, Ashley and Natalie, all CentOS pictures of their of their Spotify thing. And one person I can't I didn't write down which one is listen to 17 hours of our show in a row.

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Why are you honey, are you OK? Honey, what were you on the longest road trip? Oh yeah.

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Maybe it's that it was making me a lot, but thanks you guys, because people were being so sweet and saying, I've spent the last year with you and saying super lovely messages because they got their notifications. So they were letting us know what's really cool. I didn't know that was the thing. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, right. Exactly right. News really quick. OK, here's some news about us this Friday, December 4th at five o'clock Pacific Standard Time, eight o'clock Eastern Standard Time.

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Karen and I are doing a live streaming of our mini soad. So the mini set up on Monday. You'll be able to watch it as a live stream on Friday if you're in the fan called. So don't get the phone call.

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Make sure that your fan club membership is up to date. Right.

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Because so so you can get in there and then be there for the first time that we do something like that isn't an actual live show.

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Oh my God. There might be like a Q&A. You might be able to ask a couple of questions. We don't know what we're going to fucking do. Elvis, I'm sure we'll stop by because I'm going to force events to bring him in the room.

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They have such a they have a huge fan base and we really admire and appreciate them. And we're so glad that they're on this this podcast network that gives them the idea that they weekly get to bring and explain to you diseases, communicable diseases.

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I get so tenuous connection and the connections of the people involved, the police department. That's very upsetting.

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Goodbye. So speaking of Canadian journalism, it's funny you brought that up, so I'm doing this story from Canada that I had heard about vaguely but didn't know a lot about, and now I'm amazed by and I'm doing Starlight Tours, a.k.a. Saskatoon freezing the Saskatoon freezing deaths.

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OK, I've never heard of that. OK, so I got information from the website, The Conversation, an article by Michelle Stewart, the Saskatoon Star Phoenix, a bunch of articles there, one by Jason Auric and CBC articles, one by Dan Zakuski, The Washington Post article by Deneen L. Brown. McLean's article by Megan Campbell.

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Criminal, of course, does an excellent episode where they interview someone who's really involved in the case. Of course it's good. And then there's a book that talks about this called Dying for Improvement by Shereen Razzak. So this is Starlight Tours.

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All right. Let's talk about Saskatchewan Karum, which is I know one of your favorite topics. It's a it's a province in Canada, too.

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It's in Canada. Saskatoon. Saskatchewan is definitely a province in Canada and Canada as a Canadian as of October. Twenty twenty. Just recently, Saskatchewan has the highest crime severity index in Canada and it's said to have the highest murder per capita rate in all of Canada. Oh, welcome to Saskatchewan. Wow. The largest and most highly populated city in Saskatchewan is Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Yes. Which is it's between Alberta and Manitoba. Since we all know where those are, it's right in the middle.

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Saskatoon has a population of over over a quarter of a million people. And I went to my favorite murder email just to find someone describing what it's like there. And someone name RaHoWa said, I'm from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, up in Canada, where we are known for the freezing cold and the flattest land. You can imagine, they say if your wife leaves you, you can see her going for three days.

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And she loves my attempt at a joke. But it was excellent. Excellent. But not to talk too much. It is they call it the Paris of the prairies. So it seems like a lovely little city, but it does have the second highest crime rate in the province, and that includes crimes committed by law enforcement. So according to government statistics, about 75 percent of the male prison population and 90 percent of the female prison population are native Canadians are First Nations people a statistic which is at least in part due to systemic racism and mistreatment by police officers.

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So one of those racist practices is what's been coined by the locals as Starlight Tours. So once thought to be just an urban legend or a rumor, a Starlight tour describes a practice by police officers picking up often inebriated or rowdy indigenous people. And instead of taking them to the station for booking or to the drunk tank to sleep it off, they're driven to the outskirts of town, kicked out of the vehicle into the often below freezing temperatures and without adequate winter clothes and made to walk back to town on foot or die trying.

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So there's nothing there was nothing to prove that those weren't just rumors until one man made it back alive. And this set off a huge fucking firestorm in the city. So on the night of January, twenty eighth, two thousand, it's freezing cold. And Daryle Night, I think he's about thirty. He's a member of the Free Nation. He's hanging out his uncle's apartment when sometime before dawn. There's like a little fight that breaks out. Darrel's not involved, but he had been in trouble with the law before and he had promised his family that he wouldn't, you know, do anything wrong.

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So he left the party being like, I'm not because someone called the cops. He's like, I'm not going to be here when they got here. He doesn't want any trouble. Exactly. But he had only made it to the street before he ran into those cops that were on their way and thinking he was involved in the fight. They arrested him. So the officers put him in the back of their cruiser and they take off with Daryle, of course, thinking that they're going to throw him in the drunk tank or, you know, whatever.

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But as they head in the opposite direction of the police station, Daryl starts to get nervous and he's like, what the hell's going on? He said it was like a chilling silence from the two cops who are white in the front seat. And he is freaking out a little bit. And he they drive him to an isolated spot three miles outside of Saskatoon. So there they shout to him, quote, Get the fuck out of here, you fucking Indian.

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And they slam his face on the hood of the car. They remove his handcuffs and get back into the police car, leaving him stranded. It's seven. Zero temperatures he only has on a light jacket for warmth, and he yells after them as they drive away, like I'm going to fucking freeze out here, and they say, that's your fucking problem. So Daryl finds himself alone on the outskirts of town. It seems like an industrial area. And he later said, I thought I was dead, but something told me, don't give up.

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So he starts walking. He gets what he later says, felt like 50 miles since it was so frickin cold, but it was actually about two miles. And he ends up making it to a power plant, which seems deserted because it's like 5:00 in the morning at this point. So he desperately bangs on a door. There's no answer. He continues around the building, banging on doors, hoping there's somebody there. And at this point, he's not even cold anymore.

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He he's starting to warm up, which sounds great.

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But as Daryl knows, and anyone who spent their life in this climate knows, that's actually one of the last signs of hypothermia before death as you heat up and you start peeling your clothes off.

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So finally, fucking against all odds, a night watchman at the power plant on his rounds hears the banging and opens the door to find Daryl standing there. There's icicles on his eyebrows and eyelashes. The night watchman like, what the hell are you doing here? It's five o'clock in the morning. And Daryl tells him about the police ditching him. The night watchman, like, doesn't really believe him, but he lets him in anyways and calls a taxi for Daryl.

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Daryl says, thank you. You probably saved my life.

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So Daryl finally makes it home. And, you know, now he's certain that those rumors about the Starlight tour is real. His family want him to call the police and report what happened.

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But it's you know, of course he doesn't want to. That's you, can't you? That's who did it. Exactly. And you know how police cover for each other. But he had memorized the two officers badge numbers before they did him, which is pretty incredible. But he just didn't want he didn't want to call the cops. You just wanted to stay quiet. But then just one day after Darryl's Starlight tour, the body of twenty five year old indigenous man Rodney Natus is found shirtless in an industrial area just north of the power plant where Daryl had walked to the same area.

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And then a month later, on February 3rd, two thousand thirty year old Lawrence Wagner, again, another indigenous man, is found in a field near that same area. Both of them are dead. He, Lawrence, is wearing only a t shirt, socks and jeans. You know, it's the middle of fuckin February and was last seen alive early on the morning of January 31st. So there's an inquest into their deaths and they come up inconclusive.

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The report on Wagner says the cause of death was hypothermia from prolonged exposure, of course, but there's no mention of homicide or how he got out there, you know, what he was doing out there. And in fact, when police had discovered his body, they had hadn't treated the scene like a crime scene. So there's footprints everywhere in the snow. There's like looky loos. Saskatoon Police Sergeant Bob Peters later admits that the crime scene was contaminated because investors because the investigators curiosity and lack of training.

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Wagner's mother, Mary, she says her son was wearing boots and an expensive jacket the night he disappeared, but they're never located. The only thing that changes after this inquiry, it's a jury inquest into the deaths is the jury recommends, quote, a standing order requiring police officers to record in their notebooks the names of individuals they taken to police vehicles for whatever reason. Which can you fucking believe? I wasn't already in place. Like you have to write down if you take someone into custody for whatever reason, them making that rule.

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Oh, yeah. Now you need to take this fucking take a binder and start writing names down. OK, well, if they're trying to fucking kill people with the weather, they're not going to write those names down. So all these things are like it's all just a bunch of dumb bullshit red tape. It all that's it all depends on believing that the police officer has the best intentions, which clearly they know.

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I mean, how how are people this is just like the story I did last week. How how was the trust supposed to be there if the trust is broken over and over again and then it's like, no, no, no, but we're in charge and let us let us manage ourselves totally. It's we'll be well, oversee ourselves. That doesn't work. OK, so so these deaths, though, give Daryl the confidence he needs to come forward with his story.

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And so the media picks it up. And obviously, the treatment of Aboriginal people causes just total outrage. In the province. There's protests and, you know, angry people and Amnesty International and other groups get involved and demand action. So all these people write letters to the local newspaper and like call in to local talk shows and saying how angry they are. And one call comes into the star Phoenix, but. This caller tells the reporter to look into the paper's archives for a story that was published before written by journalist Terry Creg.

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So the story is about a mother who claims the police hadn't properly investigated her son's freezing death. So the journalist goes and finds the article. It's her son was named Neil Stone child, and he had died on the outskirts of town in 1990, ten years earlier.

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So Neil Stone child was a Salto First Nations teen. He was just 17 in November of nineteen ninety.

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He was already known around town with social services youth workers as a bit of a troublemaker.

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So he looks like that 80s, 90s cool BMX dude. He looks like he'd been over the edge with Matt Dillon, like the kind of long hair in the back. So he'd been convicted of breaking and entering earlier that year and it actually walked out of a group home for young offenders he was supposed to be in earlier in the week. And so there was a warrant out for his arrest. But despite his antics, the social service workers who knew Neil described him as likeable and pleasant.

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His issues were exacerbated by alcohol, but he was going to AA meetings regularly before he walked out of the group home. And one of the social workers said that he was a smart kid with a lot of potential and that he had a terrific personality and he could have been anything he put his mind to. So Neil and his friend Jason Roy go out drinking November twenty third, nineteen ninety, just after midnight. The teens, they have been drinking. They go to an apartment building because a friend of theirs is one of the apartments babysitting.

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But she hadn't told them what apartment she was in because she was like, fucking I'm babysitting, stay away from the apartment, you're drunk. So they just start banging on all the doors, which totally sounds like something my friends and I would have done at that age, you know, so that prompts someone to call the police. So Jason rEU, the friend, is cold and tired. He's like, let's just get out of here. But Neil doesn't want to back down.

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And so Jason ends up like ditching Neil and heads in the opposite direction. It's going to another friend's house. And a few minutes later, though, he says two police officers drive up to him in an alley and they ask him for his name and they say, Do you know the young man sitting in the back seat of the car? They have someone in the back of the car and he immediately recognizes that it's Neil. Jason, though, was also wanted at the time, and he also had a lengthy criminal record.

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So he gives the officers a fake name. He's like, I don't know. He says he doesn't know who Neil is, kind of trying to get out of it. He later says that Neil was screaming his name and blood running down his face as they drove away with him in the backseat of the car.

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I know. And the cruiser pulls away.

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Jason says Neil swore and screamed at him, They're going to kill me. They're going to kill me. Five days later, on November 29th, nineteen ninety seventeen year old Neil St. Charles frozen body is discovered by workers in an undeveloped industrial area on the outskirts of Saskatoon. So he's found face down in the snow. He's only wearing jeans, a light jacket. He's missing a shoe. And there's news footage from that time that just show him lying out there.

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It's not super close, but it's so disturbing. And I can't imagine that just coming up. I mean, it's so disturbing. The Saskatoon police concluded that he had died while trying to walk to an adult correctional centre and that he was overcome by the cold. And of course, they deny that stolen child was abandoned by the officers. And of course, his mom doesn't believe this.

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There's no way her son would have walked anywhere when the temperatures were below. It was twenty eight degrees Celsius, below twenty eight degrees Celsius. Also, Neales AMPE reports that at the funeral home, she and Neil's sister saw that he had cuts across the bridge of his nose. He has bruises.

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It's obvious to them that he had been beaten up. And Neil's uncle also says that he noticed the bumps on Neil's head and skin missing on his wrists, thumbs and hands. And he thinks that maybe the scratches and all that came from Neil trying to pull off handcuffs. Mm. Yeah. On December 5th. So that's like six days later, the Saskatoon Police Service closed the investigation into the death of Neil Stone child. Despite the visible injuries to Neil's body, when the investigation is closed, it's done.

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So before they received the coroner's report or the toxicology report and prior to even completing witness interviews. So they have no information, basically, and they closed the case and they just state that the cause of death was hyperthermia, which is like no shit, but what is the fucking cause? Jason says that he spoke to police twice about his allegations. He says the police officer took a statement from him. He says he approached a homicide investigator several months later, but he never heard from the police again.

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OK, so back to present day, which is the year two thousand star Phoenix reporter Leslie Perreault publishes an article on February 22nd, 2000, that connects Darryl Knight's allegations with Stone child's death a decade earlier. So she, like, you know, this fucking Canadian journalist, ties them all together. And it's thanks to this, I think, anonymous caller who was like, you need to look into this other case. Like if people had remembered it, maybe.

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So an inquiry is open and the two officers who had allegedly taken Darrell Knight on his Starlight tour, their names are Hachiken and Munson, and they testify that they didn't break any laws and that night was never assaulted.

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But they both have different stories individually of what happened and hatching claims that Darrell asked to be dropped off on the edge of town. His attorney argues that Darrell was well known to the police and had dealt with them before and had said to them, look, boys, drop me off anywhere. Just don't take me and just don't take me in. Like, take me anywhere. Just please don't take me to the jail. The power plant was just where they happened to be.

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So then Munson's attorney denies that the drop off was motivated by racism.

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He said there have been other individuals around Saskatchewan who said that they have been dropped off by different police forces. Some are Aboriginal, some are not Aboriginal. I have my doubts that race was a factor.

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Either way, could we get it to stop fuckin happening? You're acknowledging in practice that happens. Yeah, it's they're intentionally trying to kill people by cold.

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Yeah. Yeah. So the prosecutor says that the officers deviated from the code of conduct and that they did whatever they wanted to do and their detainment of Daryl Knight became unlawful the minute they decided to take him anywhere other than the police station. Yeah, yeah.

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Both officers are convicted of unlawful confinement in September 2001. The maximum sentence for that is ten years, but they're only sentenced to eight months in prison. The Saskatoon Police Service does fire them after they're convicted. And the chief of saskatoons police service is also let go. Saskatchewan Justice Minister Chris Axworthy orders a review into the treatment of native Canadians in the justice system. And Police Chief Russell Sabo apologizes to the Aboriginal Justice Reform Commission, saying the two officers, quote, failed to live up to their oath of office.

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OK, so in a television interview, he also says that the abandonment of Aboriginal men by Saskatoon police, quote, happened more than once. And we fully admit that. And in fact, on behalf of the police department, I want to apologise. It's quite conceivable there were other times I think it's important we take ownership when we do something wrong and correct the behaviour.

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So. Wow. Yeah, kind of unheard of.

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Maybe not in Canada, but I'm sorry, is that the race? He did say the race was a factor in that. Yeah, OK. So then in 2003, the Saskatchewan provincial government holds a commission of inquiry known as the Wright Inquiry WRI because it's led by Justice David Wright into Neil Stone child's death all the way back in 1990. So they open that back up. Officers Larry Hartwig and Bradley Senger argue their innocence and they say they didn't have any contact with Neil.

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That night, Neil's family testify and Jason Roy testifies to what he saw. Finally, they get a chance to fuckin, you know, I'm sure had been so frustrating for them that no one was listening for fucking over 10 years or so after hearing from 43 people, testimony from forty three people over 20 months.

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The inquiry ends on May 19th, 2004. And the circumstances around Neil's death, unfortunately, are still considered officially unknown, which is very shitty. But Justice David Wright does release his findings in October 2004 and his report. I think people weren't expecting much and it went way further than anyone thought it would. And he concludes that Neil Stone child had been in police custody the night he died, despite the officers denying it, and that the marks on his wrists and his nose were likely caused by handcuffs.

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Right. Also accepted the account of Jason Roy and believed everything he said, you know, describing seeing a bloodied, his bloodied friend in the back of the police cruiser. Jason's testimony led to he got death threats and he said he was so distraught he attempted suicide at one point.

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But ultimately, he says he's glad he played a role in helping and showing people that they can stand up for themselves. Yeah. So the officers, Hartwig and Senger are dismissed from duty in November 2004, within a month of the report's release. They appeal, their appeal is rejected, and the courts uphold the findings of the inquiry. So it's fucking you know, it's it's not great. But it's an acknowledgement, I guess, which is so much further than ignoring it or covering it up mean like the idea that someone who did get in there.

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It's also so overt. That's kind of what what's upsetting to me about it is.

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It's so overt and it's so egregious, it's like anything we can do, whatever we want and we're going to do it in the most like, it's one thing to be like, oh, this this kid, you know, we're going to judge him because he has a record or something and we're going to, like, make life hard for him to try to get him to stop, you know, having a record. That's one thing that still is not a good way to do it.

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But it's it's not that it's trying to kill a person by by putting them out into the freezing cold. It's in I mean, there's been there's utter disregard. It's murder. It's murder. Yeah, completely. The report also goes on to say that relations between the police and First Nations people are problematic. And he includes a comprehensive like like notes on how police can start to earn back their trust because it's really fucked up at this point. Saskatoons mayor that year is defeated in his run for re-election by a former officer who had broke ranks and spoke out at the inquiry.

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Well, despite, I think a lot of old school officers at the time are like, you know, don't fucking rat.

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And all the courts, the police chief was fired. And for the first time, a First Nations woman is appointed to head of the city police commission. So, yeah, as per rights recommendations that he had wanted implemented, among other things there, they want he want Aboriginal officers added to the municipal police forces in Saskatchewan, which was done. There's GPS tracking systems now are standard and all police cars, video surveillance now tapes, anything that happens in front of the cruiser.

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And as soon as the police open the back door to place someone inside, it immediately starts recording video. And an independent independent body now investigates complaints against police.

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So everything was enacted, which is, you know, pretty stellar. Yeah, it's yeah, it's surprising. The police invited local Amnesty International officials to head a diversity advisory committee. So all officers took several days of diversity training. And all new recruits have taken a full week of diversity training. And the number of Aboriginal police officers has nearly doubled since the inquiry. So a lot of steps have been taken to prove that, you know, there has been a problem and we're trying to address it.

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I think that the the you know, the heads of the First Nations people are now kind of interacting with the police and the government to really address these problems so well in there.

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And they're not just interacting as people who have been victims of the police, but now they get to be there with people with power. They had, you know, the idea that there's a First Nations woman in charge of the police commission, as you said, like that is so there's actually someone there that if you go and have an interaction, there will be someone that that knows like what you're talking about and believes you.

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What's so important, it seems to me, and this is that that the police need to understand the culture of the people that they are like to serve and protect.

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It's not the same. You know, it's just it's a different culture and an understanding and an empathy towards that is so important to it. Clearly, they weren't seeing them as real people, as humans. And so it's so important that diversity training to to be able to see that. So, OK, this is a little fucking bananas little tidbit because, of course, and everything isn't all grand and shit.

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Of course not trying to say that. In fact, in twenty sixteen, a student named Adderson Herman was working on a project about police brutality, a school project. And when I looked up the Starlight Tours on the Saskatoon Police Services Wikipedia article, like he went to the Wikipedia page to look up the Starlight Tours and the entry was missing. There's no entry on the Starlight Tours. So he, you know, is young and smart. So it does a little tiny bit of digging and is able to uncover that between 2012 and 2016, the Starlight Tour section on the page had been deleted several times and then he tracks the history of the entry.

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And because you can fucking do that, everything is possible. He uncovers that the registration on the IP address that had deleted it came from the Saskatoon Police Service.

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Yeah, yeah. So an internal investigation is done, blah, blah, blah. It's all fuckin lip service. On March thirty first twenty sixteen, a police spokeswoman announced that the section on Starlight Tours had been deleted using a computer within the department, but said investigators are unable to pinpoint exactly who did it. But it's like you can tell the fucking desk it came from. You know, it's it's it's twenty sixteen. You can tell these things. But they're like, we delete all everything off the servers every 30 days.

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We can't tell who it was. We just know it was from the office.

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But the problem is not where it got deleted from. The problem is that it got deleted because that's erasing the history that they are responsible for. And that that's the that's the problem. This is colonization. This is the effect of colonization, where then you have a whole group of people who are treated terribly, who are like the entire thing of it is like you can break it down into like, oh, well, we sorry, we can't trace all that, but it's like this is whitewashing.

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That's what whitewashing is. And that's why it happens, because people do massively fucked up shit and then they just want to act like nothing happened.

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And how dare you speak to us about how we do things, how it's the how dare you thing when it's like, no, no, how dare you think that you can just go kill children, go kill these people, go put them out because that like, that's those people need to be weeded out and they need it like I mean, obviously that's what happened. But it's like you can't make it didn't happen because in twenty sixteen there's still someone in that fucking in that police station taking this country down.

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So it didn't get weeded out, you know.

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Well right. Because you can't do a week of sensitivity training and think that that's going to change racism and you can't stomach for a reason. It's because it's in the veins. And also guess what, if you did it, it's still it might not be on Wikipedia, but it's in God's fucking Wikipedia, I guess what guy you always claim that you love so much.

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God, he fucking knows she well. And also everyone in your town knows all the families of the people who were murdered. So here's and here's what you're too stupid to know is 16 year olds can go in and rewrite that entry in Wikipedia because that's what fucking Wikipedia is like. This is modern life. That's how modern life works.

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Right. And I think the modernization of us now and the public having video, they said the same thing, you know, about the racism isn't getting worse. It's just being fucking film now. And that's the same thing happening in Canada where it's you know, there's so many of these cases that are being brought to light. And, you know, these people are like, this isn't new. You're just finally seeing it. You know, you're seeing what we see every fucking day and you're finally listening to people who you've it's been easy for you to ignore in the past.

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It's been easy for us to ignore in the past. Definitely.

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So recently, a local newspaper found that indigenous students in Saskatchewan are more likely to be stopped by police than non-indigenous students they receive. Indigenous people receive harsher sentences than non-indigenous people in Saskatchewan. And I said. Seventy five percent of the male prison population and 90 percent of the female prison population is Aboriginal, it said. Government commissions have been set up to address these concerns. But, you know, schools on reserves get less funding. The majority of kids in the foster care system are Aboriginal.

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And of course, as we know, a disproportionate number of Aboriginal men and women are missing and murdered each year. What's the podcast? It's missing and murdered. Yeah, that's a great but there's like a couple of seasons of I should definitely check out the podcast. Missing and Murdered. Ever since Daryl Knight survived his Starlight tour, his entire family has been living on the South to First Nations reserves outside the city. Daryl says he doesn't feel safe in Saskatoon.

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You know, he feels like a target. And there are other suspicious freezing deaths that are possible cases of Starlight tours and something they go back as far as the nineteen sixties. So just last week, November twenty fifth, twenty twenty marked the 30th anniversary of the death of Neil Stone child.

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His big brother Chris remembers Neil as a caring person with a big heart. He says he loved life. His mother, Stella, says, quote, Not a day goes by when I don't shed a tear for my boy. And as of twenty twenty, no. Saskatoon police officer has ever been convicted for causing a freezing death for a Starlight tour. And that is the story of Starlight Tours.

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Wow, I, I've never heard of that. I'm glad you told it. It's a horrifying story. Yeah. I guess this is why we end on fucking her eyes. Do you want to go first. You want me to go first. Go ahead. Yeah. OK, this is from Rebecca Heskey. Twenty six. My fucking her is since I'm not going home for Thanksgiving I decided to put the money I would have used for gas to different use and help provide groceries for a family in need.

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It wasn't much, but hopefully helpful.

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It's fucking awesome. Oh nice. Yeah, that's great. Let's see. This is from Annie McGonagle and it says, My Fucking Her is celebrating the one year anniversary of creating a social work department at a pediatric clinic. Serving primarily kids on the autism spectrum throughout this past year, myself and now two incredible other social workers have created a department that's provided intensive mental health care for over 50 new families in the Chicago area. So proud of my clinic, my co-workers, myself, but mostly my clients that work so hard every day.

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The kids I serve model strength, courage and finding the good in all things.

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My God is awesome job. Annie, thank you for that work.

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OK, this is from Chelsea Paige Ricketts. My fucking ray is that today after over three years, my super religious parents who hate having a gay daughter finally invited my girlfriend to Thanksgiving dinner.

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I have no idea of meeting her, changed their view of my relationship at all. But they're finally trying, and that's all I can really ask fucking her. Wow. I know that's big. That's a huge step. Incredible. That's really something. Yeah, that's the hope. We were talking that. Some hope. Some hope. Yeah. This is from Michelle Zuppa and it says My fucking her is that I got a real Christmas tree for the first time ever this weekend with my boyfriend and for our new apartment together.

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Yeah, my sister got a Christmas tree while I was home.

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And I swear to God, I mean, if you can get your hands on something that's like even if it just smells like pine, even just like it's just like one of those air fresheners, the car, it's smell.

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It's so nice to be marking time in a way that actually registers it like any little decoration that you have around your house.

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Yeah, I love having string lights up that aren't Christmas colors, so I can have like a little Hanukkah stuff, just like white and blue, like I liked.

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It feels good. It feels what you celebrate actually celebrate it this year because I'm definitely one of those kind of people. Whatever the holiday is, I'm one of the kinds of people. It's like it's not worth it. I'm, you know, whatever I don't want to bother or whatever. And I think this year of any the idea of just the celebration of it's the end of the year. It's it's a time of like charity. It's a time of giving.

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It's a time of caring about other people, all those things. However, whatever it means to you and whatever it looks like to you, I highly recommend this be the year that you do it. Yeah, it makes a difference.

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Like it makes a difference on your own subconscious even know like, oh, it's just me in my apartment by myself.

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It's like a reminder every day to, you know.

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Yeah, I love that.

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It's like this is this season overall for people to like, remember to care and like reach out to each other and connect like now more than ever, basically, seriously would put up decorations for every fucking December holiday, get it all going, celebrate, go on them, go do it like go on Christmas if you're whatever pagan ritual, a little plate.

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No, no. They don't celebrate now, but then you have to take them all down. But that's a celebration in and of itself and it just shows that people have different beliefs.

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That's right. We're just like they can eat a ton of candy canes, whatever that means to you, whatever you can do.

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Oh, I love that Vince has the cookies that he likes to have baked, like the just peanut butter with a Hershey kiss in the middle of Cookie. Those are the goddamn best. You just have those every year. They're the they're so good when you get one of those hot out of the oven so that the Hershey's Kiss is a little bit melt sugar like kind of crunchy on top.

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Oh, my God.

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Are you. I'll drop them off for you. Would you really. Yeah.

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Oh, wait. We can do an exchange because then I can give you that moisturizer. Yeah. OK, well that was I should probably bring in a Christmas present too. OK, fine. I'll get you a present. I'll get you seven Hanukkah presents and securing a bag. Yes.

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Well thanks for listening guys. We got we here we are face to face. Guess what? It's today is December 1st. It's the last month of twenty twenty. We're wrapping this fucking post up in a big, beautiful bow, a nondenominational bow. And we're going to we're going to get through these last thirty days and then have a true cleansing ritual of some kind. Let's do that. Let's do a Witchey Crystal Moon thing. We need to write it such.

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Isn't it weird that it's already December? In some ways it's like the longest and also then the fastest year of all time. Absolutely.

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Absolutely. These walls, it's all I've seen.

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I mean, it is.

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But we're making it, guys. We're holding hands together via podcast. We're doing it together and we're doing our fucking best. And even if we're not, we intend to at some point in our lives and.

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And things are going to get better, manifest it, believe it. Light a candle. Say it to yourself because it already is starting to. And there. Yeah, and we can we can. This can all get better. We deserve we deserve hope is what we do. Yes, we do. And hope is smart. That's right. So have a little. Yeah. And stay sexy and don't get murdered. Good bye.

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Elvis. Do you want a cookie.