This is exactly right. Hello, hello and welcome to my favorite murder, that star jihad star, that's Karen Kilgariff, The End.

And wow, what a what a week it's been. Wow.

These past 14 days are so just perfectly 20, 20 I coming to a close of this godforsaken year. Oh. Hoping to be twenty one. I don't know. Yeah. How's it going.

Good. Good. I mean. As good as it can be going, you know? Well, of all things considered, I think a lot of people wrote in on Twitter last week about how sad they were that the end of the mini. So there was no Elvis meal. Right. So Elvis, my cat of 16 years, passed away last week. I, I do think we should continue to put the meow repurpose old meows at the end, don't you?

Yeah, absolutely. We don't need to we don't need to leave those off.

It's part of it's part of it. He did the work.

I mean it's been records why we're recording all of this so that it can all be reused in the future in some way. Let's let's get him. Those residual checks were real. So you take it all the way to the bank. Yeah.

So I just want to thank everyone who reached out and who thought of him and.

He's just been such a huge part of my life and so many reasons why I've been brave and happy and and like, laughed for so many for so long.

And so the fact that he brought other people happiness, too, and made them laugh and, you know, means so much to me. And I think he's. It's just so weird to have him gone, you know, after so long and I'm so lucky I had him for as long as I did, but it's just so weird just that he's just not around anymore.

But, you know. Everyone who reached out made me feel so incredible, and we did this amazing thing that you and Duncan had suggested of putting, you know, cookies for Elvis on the website so you could buy a five dollar, you know, non-existent cookie to raise money for the ASPCA. And we raised thirty thousand dollars, which is so much money.

I just can't believe and it's just such a beautiful tribute to him and I. I just appreciate everyone's like thoughtfulness and and what an incredible community this is that comes together and, you know, I feel lucky to be a part of it.

Yeah, I do want to take full credit, but it was completely Danny's idea to put that down. Well, dentin texted me and said so many people are writing in and on the phone, called and on, you know, social media saying, saying, where should we donate or get something together? It's like the funny thing is we had to really start putting that together quickly because the second people start talking about it's like they're irritated. You have an already set something up.

I mean, all these other people or some other people were doing it on their own already, you know, and like. Right, exactly. By this prince.

And I'll donate all the money for it from like, you know, an immediate Butel media portrait's people were selling selling me people. What if people were selling me portraits? Like, how much did you pay? That's good.

It seems like they're taking advantage of you right now, just like the beautiful drawings that they have that I have of him and all over my house are like a murder, you know, memorabilia of Elvis, which is beautiful and hard. But it will be easier, you know, as time goes on. But yeah, yeah, it's really I mean, just another example of how incredible the the listeners we have are. And yeah, they're big animal people to begin with.

So this I think got a lot of people where they live. And there was a lot of people like kind of telling stories, people that lost their pets this year. And it's you know, it's it's been a hard enough year for everybody. There's there's lots of loss this year. So I think this was kind of one that even though he was 16. Yeah. He still seemed you know, it's like he sounds great every time you hear him on the show, it's like, you know, only you knew, like, the truth of his health and.

Right.

But I do want to say he didn't he was OK up until the last minute, like, really literally the last two days.

And and he wasn't in any pain. And, you know, we had this lovely, nice lady that come and, you know, while he was on my lap and it couldn't we couldn't have been luckier to have him so long and have it be a peaceful passing and then the huge amount of support that we had. And so I'm really grateful for that.

Yeah. And 16 years is so long. Well, you said, you know, that's what I asked him for.

Like a couple of years ago. He got sick and had these kidney issues and almost died. And I just said, you know, I just said, I just need six years. Just please give me six years. That's like I don't know why that number, just like I had a cat, lived to be twenty. I was like, I need six years of you. And literally two months ago, he turned 16 and then he just started to kind of go downhill.

So, you know, he so he understands English.

You're saying he speaks English, right?

Just he and those numbers loyal to the end. I don't know. It's just something special about that to me.

And so, you know, every. Yes, yeah. He yeah. He has a very special cat. Yeah.

Yeah. And now he's going to live in infamy. I mean, you kind of can't ask for much more.

Yeah. He's legendary. Yeah. Legendary.

He lives in infamy instead of infamy. Oh you didn't hear about the bank robbery.

Yeah. Oh that would be so cute.

I know, but you just got to sneak in. No one's paying attention. Bandit one teller can't explain what's happening, why it's so hard to describe what he looked like.

Oh, be adorable. Oh, I mean, yeah, I know. It's like what's funny is you've said it's like you so actively loved that cat, you know, you always pulled him into everything. You always wanted him to be like front and center. So it's not like people don't understand how much that cat meant, how central he was to you. It's like, you know, you both kind of lived it. So that's why it meant so much to people, because they knew how much it meant to you, because you always made that really clear.

So, you know, it's I think it's really kind of nice because that's your vulnerability and you basically sharing a part of your life with people and you know. Yeah, that's it. That's what happens in life.

It made me so happy. And I wanted him I wanted everyone else to have that, too. And I think it worked. So. Yeah, but yeah. But life. Yeah, it feels different now and I don't I don't know.

So then I got a call from you like a week later that's Bombshell City. So yeah.

Then I was, I couldn't stop laughing even though it's truly one of the worst things that's happened to me lately. I George my dog George had pulled her ACL, so she's been limping. She's basically been hopping around on three legs for about a month. And when I first took her. The vet, she could kind of put her foot down everyone's wall and then she over a couple of weeks stop doing it. Then I noticed her behavior was changing in different ways.

Finally, she stopped eating. So then I had an appointment set and I was like, can we move that up? Because something else is going on. So I take her to the vet and then it's all covid set up. So she gets taken in and I'm just sitting in my car in the parking lot and then they call me and the vet says, your dog has bone cancer. And so then I have to decide basically. And he's like basically where we can amputate her leg or you can put her to sleep.

And your dog. What was that, 14 years?

She is yeah, she's almost 14. And I believe I've had her eight of those 14 years. Yeah. A very dark, awful of course, I picked the surgery and then I had to call Georgia laughing and going, you are not going to fucking believe what I'm about to tell you.

You're like, I'm I'm not stealing your thunder. I'm not trying to one up you. I literally said, I don't think we can tell people about this because I'm going to look insane and I'm going to look like you're stealing my spotlight.

I can't let her have it for a minute. I can't have her sorrow, spotlight. I need my sorrow.

Oh, I want too. Well, anyway, I'm lucky enough to be able to say George May is making a full recovery. She has three legs. We're renaming her a pirate, George. It all suits her very well. And she's actually like she has been she's she was loopy the first couple of days. And it was kind of a bummer and scary, obviously very weird. But like on day three, she popped up and I looked her.

And what do you want me to spell it? Because she'll fucking jump up. But and then she just was like it was like she was kind of back to normal and running. She's not there's no kind of like in between, you know, rehab part of it. She's back and she's fine like three ways. Well, I'm not in pain anymore. So who gives a shit and just so happy. Yeah. So let's go up and down some stairs.

So yeah. Georgias, she's had a life adjustment but she's doing great and yeah.

So let's face it now let's face it like a year apart if I mean that was, that thing was just like what I was like yeah let's not record and maybe let's not just record for the rest of the year because what the fuck is going on.

I don't really appreciate having the week like a week or two off of, like, responding to, you know, it's like well it's not a very fun.

Yeah, it's not it. You're grieving. You are grieving. So it's just like, what are we going to record, you know? I mean, like that's like that's really not that's not what we do or how we do it.

Well, I'm glad George is feeling good. I was going to I have a photograph for you of some cookies that Vince and I made for holiday the holidays. And we're going to bring you and you might just get a photograph because we've been too lazy to leave the house to bring them to you.

Oh, don't. The last thing I need is cookies. Honestly, I thought you'd appreciate wonderful the laziness of it. If any one hundred percent would be like text. I'm right over. Text those cookies. Yeah, but I might end up eating them and sending you the photo of them.

I mean, I feel like also it's just I feel like if I think all of America needs to fall down and take care of themselves this holiday season, everybody needs to lay on the couch, start a Netflix series that you don't even care about, eat what you want, be nice to yourself and to other people. Like take it easy, put down social media. Everything is histeria, everything is insanity. And like, you know, we've had a full year of it.

Yeah, a year of it. That's really my plan for the next two weeks is just to be be gentle with myself and I will say so. I haven't, of course, wanted to watch all the dark, deep, depressing shit that I normally want to watch. So I think, yeah, the comeback has been a real the best real great distraction with Lisa Kudrow. Of course, I highly recommend if you need a distraction, it's a little crazy and that's a good show.

But it's so a little little. It's called point is that it's grungy, but it's because Lisa Kudrow is such an incredible actress that she just makes it that way.

It's a great show, so subtle. She is like the things she's doing in that show.

It's so real, like overtly subtle somehow. Well, it's very realistic. It's just like that she is clearly, I think, thinking of a specific person, someone she knows or whatever, but it's just like it. You never think about Lisa Kudrow, the actress.

Never. Person Valerie Cherish is such a real person, and you're just like like great white knuckling it from the beginning from her like her house, the set of everything about it is perfection.

So definitely watch the comeback if you need a nice distraction from every great series. Yeah.

Now, did you did you watch the stand? No, I've watched it yet. I mean, this is a great it's good. It's funny because, you know, you you there's there was a lot of reviews of it and people kind of like playing it down. And then when I went to see it, I was just like, what are they talking about? It's better than ever. Like, I love this thing. So I think I just I've been waiting so long since, like, the first time we did an ad for it.

Yeah. I was so excited. But it's great. It sounds like a perfect distraction.

I love that. It's really good. OK, so another really pure show that I've really enjoyed and been there watching is Taste the Nation by Padma with hosted by Padma Lakshmi, who's just really smart, interesting woman. And she just travels the country, the nation even just really eating.

Yeah. Tasting it. But like really authentic stuff like really like finding out where burrito's actually come from and why they, you know, they're there. They were what they were. And it made us go into Boyle Heights to this like old school burrito place and get burritos because they wanted to try them. It's like a really lovely show. And were they amazing? They were the ones you were there.

It's just meat. There's no like the whole like, huge overstuffed burrito thing is is like a current thing. It wasn't that way before. It's really fascinating. So she does all those interesting cultures and tells you about them. And it's just like a it's a nice distraction show and it all make you really hungry. And then maybe it'll make you like search out some authentic food in your town, which I think is a positive thing. Is that a Netflix one, too?

Yeah, that's on Netflix, I hope.

Let me double check.

And I love Top Chef. So Padma is like a favorite you. I've never watched that shut your face. I can't guarantee you're going to love it. I can't believe that because it's green. Never have it. Just one of those ones that I don't know. It got by me somehow and then people would talk about it. And then I didn't know what they were talking about. So then I was like, it's not for me. So I missed it.

So Taste the nation's on Hulu with Padma. That's who you have to watch Top Chef. It's like one of my favorite competition shows. OK, it's so good. Let me send you a good season. Like Richard Blaze's season as one of my favorites, you just have to add all these characters and oh my God.

Now, I did watch Iron Chef when Lake was in. That thing was the greatest. So the original version. Did you find way back when?

Before. Me, too. Yeah, one of my. And even then even the current one. That's not just subtitles. It's so fucking good as well. That was my dream. And we were on cooking channel is to be a fucking judge on Iron Chef. Yeah. Never happened. I was heartbroken.

Heartbroken.

Wouldn't you have to have your own restaurant or somehow channel TV show? No, no. I don't want to be a contestant. I want to be a judge. I want to taste the food. Right. Oh, they had all kinds of weirdos on that show. The judges were like, Sarandos, I could have been a judge. You're like, what can I give you? Yeah. Oh, I thought the judges were well, the one that I saw like that, because I think it was like late night Food Network, wasn't it.

Yeah. Like maybe even before Food Network was like Food Network, whatever, but yeah they would have like but so the current one would be like yeah there'd be like a restaurateur and a cookbook author and then there'd be like a random like Steve Austin, The Wrestler or some like some random person who was just like I like it. Yeah. OK, so I could have done it. And then one of my favorite party questions when I used to be parties was if you could be a judge on Iron Chef, what would your like dream ingredient be?

Because, you know, it's like you have to cook with asparagus this week or you have to cook with it. Like, what would you like to work? Yeah. Yeah. Squid ink. Yeah, gross.

There was always in those early ones that were it was Japanese, right. It was from Japan. There was always a thing where I was like because I don't like seafood at all. So then there was always a thing where everything was like where I was like I'm glad I'm not there. Oh I'm glad I didn't. Yeah. Smell them cooking that. But of course it was always, you know, amazing. They did.

That was the whole the American version was cool because it'd be like, it'd be like eggs, but then it'd be like ostrich eggs and like, you know, like a row and just like really interesting stuff like that. So I thought that would be really cool. So I'm a little heartbroken that I never got to be a judge on that show.

Well, it's not too late. I think it is what I got you for Christmas. You brought back Iron Chef. Yeah, I called Bobby Flay. I said box.

Listen, it's for George Bush. He's been having a hard time. You know, I. Drinks with Bobby Flay once at the Soho House because he was big timing us. No, he wasn't. We just really want to go to the show. Ali and I met him to talk about maybe doing a TV show, and he was so lovely and a really amazing person. And then we saw him make his barbecuing grilling TV show, and he's just like professional.

But then we never heard back.

But lovely guy. You want to hear about a podcast? Oh, yeah, I have a book. Go ahead. Let's see. Well, a couple. I'll do it chronologically. So the first one I listen to that England's owned April Richardson recommended to me when I talked to like last month. It's a it's it's a podcast called Chameleon The Hollywood Con Queen.

Yes. Did you listen to it? No, but it's I subscribe. It's on my list. OK. Is it amazing? It's unbelievable. Tell me. It's unbelievable the premise. Well, it's people who are not huge in show business in Hollywood start getting conned by by this woman who calls them and books them for jobs in I believe it was Singapore. Then they go to Singapore on their own dime, kind of a thing on their own dime, because it's like they say, yes, there's they get talked into it.

And there's a lot of you know, there's a lot of parts of the business where it is that kind of thing. Like, you get there, then our travel department will pay you back or whatever. There's a lot there's a lot of that kind of stuff. And it's like basically playing on the desperation of people. It's like, this is my break. This is my big break. Yeah, it's such. But that's how it starts. And you're like, that's really fucked up.

And then it begins to develop into a whole other thing and it's really satisfying. It clipped along so fast. It's such an amazing story.

Yeah, it was, it was unbelievable. Chameleon that one's like that one's like super trepang right now. I'm they have that one. Yeah.

It's I think it got really popular because the story is it's like a Dirty John level story that like everyone in the podcast biz, people are looking for like what's the story that really does it or whatever. And this thing is like this thing has like seven stories.

And when they break while the podcast is recording and while they're reporting on the story and it breaks podcast alive, it's so exciting. Yeah. Yeah, it has it all. So, yeah, if you're looking for new one chameleon, the Hollywood con going into it, is there another what's the other ones that you're listening to.

Oh then the well basically that I was kind of going along because I really lately I'm loving a scam story, a really a really, you know, journalistically investigated scam story because I feel like the more people are going to be in peril with money, the more scammers are going to be trying to scam people in all different ways. So true. So but this one, this one, it's called smoke screen fake priest. And it's it's by the neon hum the people that did doctor die.

Yeah.

And it is, again, one of those stories where as you're listening, you're like, sorry, what is happening? What is happening?

You find out, oh, you will meet him.

It is unbelievable the shit out of people and the fake head optimism's and stuff. It's because and this is, again, that thing where it's he he presented himself to be a priest that that did Latin Mass. And he was like a traditionalist Catholic priest. So it was like because, you know, Vatican two in the 60s basically was like, all right, you don't have to eat fish every Friday and you don't have to like the mass doesn't have to be in Latin and all that stuff.

But there was lots of people who are like, that's not the real thing. If you're doing it, this new this quote is not a real Baptist.

You just have to hear it. It's just like it's unbelievable. But is that kind of thing of, again, these these certain areas that scam artists always gravitate to because you do not question. Yes. The church, you don't question religion or religious leaders and those people scam people like crazy. It's amazing. Oh, that's awful. Yeah.

And then just the most recent one, I always rave about the Canadian the CBC broadcast on the Canadian, you know, investigative journalists. I went back into the Uncover series. Oh, yeah. They're the ones that did Nexium first. Yes. But they have now, I think, eight seasons. There's so many good ones. And the most recent one is season four. It's the cat lady murderer. And it is it's you have to hear it.

It's just another one of those ones where it's it's people scamming. Oh, OK. Old people. Yeah.

And the elderly. And but it's that one's actually very it's less entertaining and more like, oh God, this is such a bummer, it's so dark. The idea that people like prey upon and exploit the elderly and people in nursing home and then it's like whole life saving.

Situations, I have a friend who that happened to his the bank called, quote unquote, called his dad and was like, you need to get all your money out of the bank. There's been a breach to turn it into, you know, Amazon gift cards and then call us and read us the number of the Amazon wants something so simple like that that if you just called our friend, his son and been like this is happening, his son would have been like, that's a scam.

But yeah, of course, he's like, oh, this is an emergency. And didn't.

And they, you know, it in in one of these. And I think it was the chameleon. They they interview that woman who I talked about her book that I love so much, and she talks about the con men. Her name is Maria. But they talk about that that's one element of scam artists, is it's always a rush. You have to you're going to get the job, but you have to answer me. You need to answer within the hour.

You have to it's the bank things happening. You have to do it right now or so. It's they create a false sense of the word, like it's a big rush, rush, rush. And it's emergency and time, like you're running out of time. And that's how you know, that's like step one of a scam is that you can't take 15 minutes to call a younger person and go, is this real?

You have to do it right now. Consider it yourself, which you probably might be like, wait a minute, I shouldn't be doing this. Yeah, I a I know. Oh, my God. You know, guys, send us your hometown's about scams that you've fallen for, that someone you know has fallen for that you almost fell for that. You played on someone else. You can be anonymous. I want to hear scam stories, don't you?

Scam stories are the. They're amazing. Oh yeah. And there's there's a thousand podcasts that feature that which you can listen to all of those, too. But there's but also it's good to learn from other people. And that's that's that's another thing they talk about is people that get scammed, don't talk about it because they're so embarrassed and they're so ashamed and they don't want anyone else to know, oh, my God, how people go. How could you have given someone six thousand dollars?

And it's like if you thought you were about to get a huge job with this, you know, the Hong Kong queen using these huge directors names, you think about to get this big job where it's David Fincher shooting in this place or whatever.

And it's not like they don't have evidence. It's not like they're just like, great, here's six thousand dollars. It's like that's six thousand dollars is a couple thousand over a period of time. So you're already in it deep. And they've given you evidence as to, you know, quote unquote evidence as to why they're legit. And so you believe those, which makes it easier to keep believing because you don't. Yeah. You don't want to get scammed at three thousand dollars.

So it takes six thousand dollars to finally admit that it's gone. Yes. And even then you don't totally know. Yeah. That's fucking crazy. That's OK. It's so, it's. Yeah. So parents know more about those scam scams and plans. Well I reading a book well so we were also oh the other thing we were watching was just bad Christmas movies. Just. Yes. Karen have you seen the movie Family Stone.

Oh my.

I never read it. Yes I watch the for the first time and we were I feel like I'm going to anger half the murderer knows you will.

This very divisive film.

I didn't know this. I didn't know anything about it. I had never seen it. And then I looked up to read all the negative reviews and all there was is positive reviews. Yeah, I'm just going to say what a movie. Wow, wow. What a movie. I refuse to fucking indict myself.

Well, I will, I will indict myself. Who gives a shit. What's funny is you missed the the staff Zoome meeting where we had this discussion. No, you didn't. Yes. Because someone recommended it and then Katrina has visited and we just say, ah, OK, we have staff meetings every Friday morning with that now. Huge. Exactly right. Employees like we have what we have at eleven shows. Yes. Eleven employees and everyone kind of fills each other in on what's been going on that week.

And now we started doing this thing at the end where you just recommend something. Usually it's a TV show or a book or whatever. And I was gone the week that Elvis passed away. And so I fucking miss this conversation. You miss the family stone debate I got is how you like breaking. It was so funny. Well, I'm I'm busting Katrina right now, but I think she would be fine with it because she was just like, it's that movie is terrible.

And then I start laughing because I'm like, I love it.

Do I? I do love it.

I could see it being one of those one afterwards were like, oh God, that movie, I need to watch it again. And then being like, OK, I get it. Yeah, yeah. There's something about it that is it's, it's corny and everything, but there's a Christmas element to it and I'm sorry, but Luke Wilson does it for me and especially man right in that.

He's almost like a serpent's. Yeah, he's like Mr. Cash and he's kind of like he just immediately knows he will spoiler, but he immediately knows he loves Sarah Jessica Parker. He's just like, oh, well, I'm in love with you. It's like the most natural kind of like love at first sight. But a boy doing it, which you never get to see in any movie, especially with an uptight woman, you know, like an uptight anal woman, quote, unquote.

It's like, oh, you still you know, you fall in love with her. It's not like she's quirky and falls down the bus stairs and then you fall in love with her, even though it's your sister, your fucking fiancee's sister, which I don't see that part lots.

You're no, it's it's his brother. If it's his point of view, it's his brother's fiancee. Yes, but I talked to him about it.

Yeah, I'm talking about Claire Danes as Carrie. Claire Danes. Right, right. Right. OK, well, yeah, it's definitely a movie and we can all agree on a movie for this. It is a movie reflective of Christmas or the holidays in general, I guess.

And then we did home for the holidays with, of course, Robert Downey Jr.. Thank you. And the Holly Hunter you saw that was fun. Hadn't seen those before. Oh, yeah. So that's that's another great one. But it's a different vibe.

What what's another good one. That's like you got to watch it for the holidays.

I think people always like to talk about on Twitter how, you know, like die hards, the Christmas people. And now the joke is we come on Twitter naming a thing that's a Christmas one, like one tree in the background or whatever.

But the Ryan Reynolds movie, Best Friends is one of the greatest. It is a low L for that movie.

They're like undercover cops or something. No, it's actually very it's problematic for twenty twenty. They're all problematic.

Well, and so Ryan Reynolds, basically, it's like he's now successful, like I think he's supposed to be like a music agent or something. But in high school he was fat and he had this best friend who he was in love with. And she would she didn't think he she could ever like. Yeah. And then he goes home for the holidays. Right.

And now an arbitrary date is not there on a scale means that he is lovable and worthy of love and. Right. But see, he has this he now is a run rennolds type. Exactly. So then he thinks, no, I got it. But he's actually kind of a scumbag.

So she's like, oh, you're different.

And it very much is like she actually loved him before I was. But you have to watch it.

Well, who's the she in it? I can't remember. I'm so sorry. It's called just friends. Oh, no. Look at his fat suit. I know Amy Smart Amy.

So I got her first. You're fired. You're fired. She's really good.

OK, she's really good. It's OK.

But it is there are jokes in this thing that are I laugh out loud when I watch this movie and it is legitimately a Christmas.

OK, great. I'm doing it. I love it. Yeah, that's perfect. Thank you. Just friends. Just friends. Ryan Reynolds, never forget that Ryan Reynolds is the real deal.

OK, and I'm reading a book called Good Morning Monster by Catherine and a children's book It Sound Like That by Catherine Guild Neier.

And it's basically this woman. It's a it's kind of a memoir type of thing. Catherine Giltner is a therapist and in the book she presents five of what she calls her most heroic and memorable patients. So it's like five chapters of these patients that, like, transformed her as a therapist. So one of the one I'm listening to right now is like her first patient and like how hard it how hard it was for this patient to admit that she had childhood trauma and understand that what she went through even to, you know, to everyone else were like, girl, you went through some shit.

Like she was like, nope, I did what I had to do. But like, really, you were nine years old and abandoned and like, she just couldn't even handle it. So it's just I think it's really good for people who are like interested in therapy but don't know what it's like or don't know how to. It sounds great. Yeah. Like I don't know how to break through with their own shit. It's definitely helping me. Or I'm like, oh, I think my life is totally normal and my therapist is like trying to knock down these walls, but she, she can't knock them down.

She needs me to knock them down. And so what, what am I, you know what, what tools am I not equipping myself with to knock down. Said I've been watching a lot of TV, so I'm just trying to have an open concept brain and it's just really hard when you want to build an island right in the middle of your personality. But I'm just thinking like I can cook and then watch the kids and all. I have this ball peen hammer that I'm trying to knock the wall down with.

It's not working to pull that drywall down with your your finger nails sometimes. But I'm using a butter knife. It just doesn't make any sense. That sounds. Really good morning, Monster. I'm going to write that down so I can get on here and recommend it in two months. Good morning, Monster.

That sounds great. And then let's see if I listen to anything else. The Vanishing Half by Brit Barnett. I finished and I'd fucking highly recommend it. That was the one I talked about last time about different generations of a family.

But I didn't realize it was really like mother sister relationships. That's really cool. So I like that one. All very relevant. That's how I got anything else for you. I mean, that's that's a lot. That's a lot for my minutes.

Oh. Can I do one more cottage core new obsession please. There is a college gore corner. It's got a short time time. Let's hear it. This one. This one. You made your own clock, Kraatz. I made my own time. This one combines dollhouses.

Two of my loves dollhouses and decaying haunted houses. So people are making dull houses, but making them abandoned haunted houses instead of.

Oh, yes. Oh, great.

Is that I think Digna I think I found the one a bunch of people are doing. I don't know, the only one I found. It's it's an Instagram called Southern Gothic Dollhouse and it's straight up looks like the haunted mansion at fucking Disneyland like cobwebs and you know, decaying things and like using teeth as like tile. It's just creepy and cool.

That's great. I like that. There's so much artistry that goes into that that I think doesn't has never gotten the respect it deserves. Like once we talked about, you know, could there even be mid century dollhouse? I get pictures of them constantly on Twitter now because there are a ton. Yeah. And like it's there lots of people that are into it and do it and they're gorgeously put together like it's it's really cool.

And it's so funny because it's such a thing that's like it's it's there's no part like they're doing it because they love it, like they're not going to do anything with that dollhouse. It's not like you're going to walk in their living room and be like, wow, you decorated it. Well, it's like going to be a doll house on a mantel somewhere that only they get to enjoy. And Instagram, perhaps a child or two. What? Why?

No, don't bother. That sounds boring. Get them away from there. Oh, and then there's this guy. He's an artist named Ryan Thomas Monahan on Instagram. It's what underscore the how and he does the most incredible, like decaying cityscapes and actually did like an abandoned vintage McDonald's scene in full miniatures. That is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. So check out what underscore the hell as well.

Actually, speaking of. But it's a little bit random, but from the last time we recorded, we were talking about murder on Myrtle Beach. And at one point I said, I don't know why it's called.

Oh, yeah. And Liz Prince wrote to me on Twitter at Comic Nerd and Ardie, and she wrote regarding the conversation, the character from George Hartsock had about why Murder on Middle was called that in last week, my favorite murder episode number one, the murder took place on Middle Beach Road Total. That was the whole tweet where I was like, damn it, Liz. Then there was an a there was an attached tweet to that, which I didn't for some reason take a picture of.

But she basically said their last name was beat. Yeah. And murder on Middle Beach is Mom Beach. And then she wrote number four, I'm a nerd.

And so thank you, Liz, for that was help we needed. That was help we were asking for. Yeah. And it's so obvious now that you pointed out that I never noticed stuff like that.

I I mean, clearly, I didn't even retain the information that that was the street they were on and it was done in a non showy off way, which we always do. Exactly. And you were self-deprecating, which is always a ingratiating thing. You know, it's.

Well, that you're not getting it's nice to not be all that. Yeah. Are we done talking about ourselves for. I think so. Fifteen minutes. 50 or so. Minutes. Fifty or so. I mean look, it's nice to have company. Yeah. You can't take that away from me. Speaking of ourselves, let's do exactly right news. Oh yeah. Yeah. Talk about some shows. Well our new show, Ten Fold More Wicked, which is our first limited series like kind of docu True Crime by the great Kate Winkler Dawson.

It has actually been included in Apple podcast, top True Crime podcast, which is very exciting. And yeah. And then just so you know, this season of it will be ending like the end of this year and then a second season is going to start next year, so. She's done on it so much work. Yes, she's got this stuff ready to go. She's an incredibly accomplished author and her books are amazing. If you haven't read any, look her up because they're so good.

And so, yeah, she's got she's got that content ready to podcast.

That's right. Speaking of lists, that's messed up. Our Saorview podcast, hosted by Kara Klank and Lisa Trager is trending on iTunes, which is so rad. Thank you guys so much. We're glad you love that's messed up as much as we do. Yeah. Thanks for supporting it and subscribing and giving it great reviews. It really makes a difference for all those all the podcasts. Also this this week's episode, the legendary actress Marcia Gay Harden is is the is the Saorview cast member that they are just like, what is the coolest booking?

It is. What an honor.

So cool. And speaking of Christmas movies on, I saw what you did. One of my absolute favorite Christmas movies is discussed. Scrooged. Mm hmm. So check that they also cover the silent partner. So check those. Check out. I saw what you did. That's another podcast that's doing really good. It's been reading in the in the movie, movie and TV category, which is very cool.

And those million. Danniella are the greatest. If you if you even if you're not super into cinema. It's such a great podcast where they just kind of talk about it because it gives you great ideas for movies and why to watch them. And it's like hanging out with your friends. So yeah, it's really fun then. And speaking of lists, the podcast Bananas was on Vulture's Top 10 comedy podcasts of Twenty Twenty, which is so huge. We are so proud of Kurt and Scotty.

So make sure you check out bananas. They have incredible guests. It's such a fun, lighthearted podcast. Weird news. There's nothing funnier than weird news because it really happened. It's not just people talking about bullshit. They're they're reading you real actual news articles from Florida and around the world. And they're really good stories. Yeah. Yeah.

So get it exactly right. Oh, also I said no gifts. Bridger Winegrowers wonderful podcast was featured on the iTunes new new and noteworthy page, which was very exciting.

Oh, we're trending and shit. Yo yo, thank you for you. Got a great review and subscribe. Those are the ways we get on those lists and everyone on the network appreciates those little bumps. Yeah, they do. Oh and also if you're looking if you're still looking for something to watch Steven and Sarah on the on the cast talk about the gaffield Christmas special. Nineteen eighty seven nominee.

How dare you not say that. I'm so sorry. A classic classic. An Emmy legend. A perfect fuel for the holiday. Whoever wrote this, this that was another one that we talked about at in the staff meeting because people were talking about remembering it, watching it when they were little, loving it and it being really touching.

Oh, yeah. Garfield Christmas special. Yeah. So check that out on the broadcast. All right, the team, we've done it and we're about to introduce this is a quilt episode. Yeah. For you. Oh, wait, Stephen, who goes first in this? Oh yes, Georgia.

Oh, because the the former fan called exclusive live show. Georgia went last on that one. All right. Perfect. At least there's a logic to it. That's all that matters is making decisions however you want, and I'll believe it. All right.

Well, I am so excited about this one because it involves a heroic cat. So I feel like it's it's the perfect setting. It's perfect. Right. So apt. This was from a show in Pittsburgh at the Kennedy Center on March 14th. Twenty nineteen. So not that long ago.

Very recent. Right.

And this is the murder of Lori and Orka. Enjoy. All right.

Amazing. We're going to do the murder of Lori and Oscar. Here she is. That's what I didn't want you to click on. OK, Lorianne. OK, all right. So this fucking this story is Forensic Files fucking wet dream. Like, I'm not even kidding you. The producer probably pissed him or herself when they saw this.

The episodes called Cat's Flies and Snapshots. Oh, someone was like, we got to get this out. Let's get this out. And it's about it's kind of like our theme that we like lately of pet heroes.

There's a tinge of that involved to. That's right. So he doesn't like a pet hero heroes, but I bet the trend to come after pet heroes is going to be pet scumbag pets who have stolen from you. That's crash your car. Yet they're still your change from your purse. Flip you off behind your back. OK, so Laurie and Orka grows up in a quiet agricultural area known as Susquehanna.

Thank you. How many times did you say that in your hotel room? Three, just the Susquehanna Valley in central Pennsylvania.

It's about 100 miles from Syracuse, you know. OK, I don't know if you guys hate Syracuse. The thing where we go to a city and they, like, hate the next town over, but we don't know. So they start booing and we're like, why are you doing here from L.A.? OK, so she's a typical 80s teenager. She's a sweet girl.

Her friends all say she's just normal and lovely. She loves animals and she wants to be a vet when she grows up. So she she marries Robert, this dude, Robert A. right out of high school. And she's 19.

He's ten years older than her and he works in a U.S. court. It is man knows what he's doing.

It's hot when you're 19 and then you become the age that they were. You're like, what the fuck?

Oh, he doesn't know shit. It's when you're 19.

Hot, so hot. So a twenty nine year old wants to date me and I'm twenty nine. You're like, this is this. That's disgusting. He just had a job. That's all I like. Yeah. I hit a car and a job so they get married. He works in a warehouse. They soon have a son they named Matthew and they need to make more money. So Lori wanted to be a vet and loving animals. Gets a job at a pet store in the local Susquehanna Mall.

Yes, OK.

And this you know, this isn't a pet store. Like they sell pet products. This is the eighties. So they probably sell pets. But don't get mad. It's just how it was the time.

I mean, you you could truly get you could get a monkey if you wanted. You could get a full size heel monster. They was bunnies. They were all in the same cage. You get a pet. I put them back. Yeah. Touch your eyes is great at all at the mall.

Oh yeah. But but she loved animals. That's where she worked. And she'd take her son Matthew. There is like a little baby. She take him there whenever she wasn't working and he loved animals and she just showed them all the animals and wanted him to like be friendly with them. Very sweet. OK, so after he's born, though, Laurie and Robert start having problems. And Laurie's not happy because Rob is super controlling. She had to answer a million questions before she was allowed to leave the house.

And an old guys.

Oh, yeah. Where are you going? What are you doing? How many how many fingers am I holding? I take you.

I couldn't leave another one. Like, shut up and take your osteoporosis medicine. And he used physical discipline when he was upset with his kid, so she was like, fuck this shit, they're fighting all the time. And so they separate. After 18 months of marriage and Laurie and her baby Matthew move in with her parents while Robert moves back in with his parents and he has visitation rights with Matthew. So let's get to the day of the disappearance.

Oh, there's a disappearance by the. On let's oh, let me show you the Susquehanna Mall vintage. I tried to find old photos of it, but it's a network fossil Hunter Valley Mall.

Here's what is there a slight pronunciation difference? Sasagawa says Square Susquehanna. OK, thank you. Sasko Susquehanna. Jesus Christ. You if you you just wait till you get up here, that's that asshole. There he is. OK, OK, I'm so old.

He's 10 years older. Gross and what?

So OK, May 24th, 1st, 24th, May 21, nothing.

OK, May 21, 1989, your favorite year.

Well, it was right after my birthday, so I was still hung over. My birthday's on the 11th, so Laurie's getting ready to go to work.

It's her normal shift for tonight at the pet store. And Matthew, the son, is with Robert that day. So she packs our lunch and leaves for work and in Forensic Files because they have to do foreshadowings, she picks up her cat and hugs it and puts it back down. And you're like, that's got to mean something.

Yeah. Steven, Steven, what does that cat symbolism mean?

And this cat must have been fucking drug because it was just like, great, totally let her do it in the TV show.

Could it have been like a Jim Henson cat puppet? It really realistic. Yeah. I wonder how they they got the cat actor because they couldn't have a budget for the public. Does anyone on set have a cat? That's super chill. Could you just bring your cat and then we just don't talk about it. Yeah. Don't call a union. We'll give him some sebti.

It'll be fine. So Hughson goes to work.

OK, so about a half an hour later there is a call to her house and her dad picks up and it's her boss. Where is Laurie? Of course. And he's like, what do you mean? She left for work. So he drives the route thinking maybe her car had broken down and but he doesn't find her. Then he goes to the parking lot of her work at the mall and he finds her car there. And in in the car is her purse and keys.

No, they're not.

No, they're not. Nothing seems out of place. And her purse and keys are gone. They're gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not there. They're not there. It's the opposite. Yeah. I had to I had a 50/50 chance of getting that right. Hey, look, look, there's still an all star. Thank you. OK? And she's nowhere to be found. And her parents report her missing Lori's disappearance, but sends the small town crazy.

They are all that's a conservative community, the normal shit. And they couldn't believe someone had been abducted in broad fucking daylight. So they canvassed the area.

They questioned employees and shoppers, but no one saw anything suspicious. And they obviously immediately suspect Robert Harrex.

But he claims he hadn't seen Lori all day. He was babysitting their son. He went shopping. And, you know, I went to these things and I did this stuff and they like great goodbye. So he has details and everything.

And he and he said he bought a dishwasher for his mom and she was like, it's true.

So they're like, great, great. We'll never talk to you again. All right. That's all we need.

So the public, police, family, friends and volunteers continue searching for Lori with no success. But then on June 12th, about two and a half weeks after Lori's disappearance, a woman jogging a few miles from the mall smelled something bad. And she went to investigate, which means she was definitely an old school vintage murder for sure.

Yeah.

She went to investigate and she spotted the skeletal remains in a ditch along a hillside south of an area called seven points so that the remains hold it.

But there's got to be bad.

The remains are dressed in a jacket, jeans and sneakers. So it's Lori's outfit, but it's skeletal remains at that point. And there's no skin. There's nothing to like really to pinpoint how long she had been there before.

But they are able to determine it's it's Lori's body, but so did it.

OK, let's how I got.

OK, so he he sees it's Lori. He determines from and this is like all like kind of new forensic stuff back then that they didn't really do anymore or yet. So again, I almost had it. You're there. You're there. So of course they see cut marks through the clothes and on the bones and realize that she had been stabbed at least seven to 11 times. And so she's she's identified by dental comparisons, but no murder weapon found at the scene.

And so investigators bring in an entomologist to determine the cause of death or the time of death, which is kind of a new fangled thing where they check how old the bugs are, you know.

Yeah. Have they graduated high school yet or whatever? Yeah.

And calculate that Laurie's been dead for 19 days, which places her exactly the day that she disappeared. So then police are then like, it's been twenty days. You know what we should have done?

They say, let's go and see if any of the mall stores had a camera facing the parking lot.

You know what we should do now?

They said, yeah, I'm twenty days later. Yeah, yeah. OK, yeah. Yeah. So it's what they do automatically now though. Yes. You'd hope. OK, so they discover an ATM, an ATM, not meteo machine near the entrance of the mall because it is an ATM. I wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. ATM machines. Right. It's an ATM. So they find an ATM.

There's a camera basically pointing at the parking lot. It's been taped over so it's super fuzzy but they can still, I don't know, make it be seen.

I'm not I'm not a videographer. Oh, well, if you're not a videographer, you shouldn't be telling the story.

So they find they find the camera aimed in the direction of Lori's car on the day of her disappearance. The images just show a man making a bank transaction. And in the background and out of focus, they see Lori's car pull in and person and then a car pulls in in front of her car and an unidentified person is standing by, but they can't fucking see anything because it's super blurry. So state prosecutors asked the Pennsylvania State Police lab and the FBI for help.

Awesome.

So the FBI asks NASA for help because they couldn't improve anything.

Yes, this is the first time we've never gone to NASA for help in this the history of this show. How can NASA. Yeah. Yes. And they're like, we mostly do moon stuff, so no, sorry, but it makes total sense because they have this sophisticated digital photo enhancement technology that improves, you know, that improves space pictures.

So they're like, you know, you just went from expert to non expert in one sentence. That's me. Yeah, me too. Yeah.

They refer her case to a research scientist and the ballistic missile field organization, Lindemer. And so he uses a technique similar to the one that was used to determine the cause of the Challenger explosion in 1986. And he digitally enhances the black and white surveillance footage. Awesome. Now you can see it.

I forgot to get a photo of it for you, but it's good. It's like a spaceship and a guy kind of in slow motion coming down, puts a flag. He jumps around a little bit and there's an ATM machine in the back. Yeah, that's how, you know, it's fake. Yeah. So they're able to identify the kind of car that pulled up next to Lori's car as a Chevrolet, a Chevrolet celebrity. And they can even tell it was made between 1982 and 1985 because that's the only time celebrities were made.

Is it? I don't know. Have you seen one lately? There's one. Oh, it's gorgeous. Yes. That's not the one, but this is a this is one of those remember those handles well, you know, they parked in front of a mansion right there, huh? Tell me you wouldn't drive that. That is the poor man's Volvo, right? That true. Look at it. It's a gore.

It's a beaut. It's a beauty. So they're like, oh, let's look into Robert Laurie's ex. Does he own the Chevy celebrity? No, but his parents do, mate, in 1984, right in there.

That's it. Robert's parents tell police that Rob borrowed their car on the day of Lori's disappearance and they sold the car a week after he returned it. Interesting. And neighbors were like, we saw him fucking frantically cleaning that car. But so just the parents had planned on selling the car to begin with. So they're not accomplices. So it seems like he kind of knew that and so took the car at the right moment because he knew they knew where, you know, it was going to be gone.

But then he's dumb enough to frantically clean the car out, like in the driveway. Rob, murderers, come on. Is it's like the number one thing.

Every fucking murderer has a clean car. It's like no one thing. Stop it. Let me do it.

Whatever. Don't start it, don't kill me, OK, but guess who had bought the car, the celebrity, was it a celebrity? Oh, yes, a retired state police officer. Hell, yes. So, like, can we borrow that? And he's like a fucking little. That's right. I don't know what I was thinking in the first place. And you can have it. How sad is this is he bought it for his stepdaughter who wasn't old enough to drive yet.

So it's just sitting in the garage untouched, waiting for her to be 16. Maybe she flunked her fucking driving test. You'll have the celebrity when you pass here. I saw those wine coolers under your bed. No celebrity for you, but stepdad. You're not my real father. Not my real father. You're just a state policeman. That's really good at handling evidence. Hopefully. Please, God. OK, so they get the vehicle. They tested for prints and trace evidence.

They don't find anything. There's no blood, of course, because it's been cleaned and but but it hasn't been cleaned well enough because in the trunk, forensics people discover a couple little strands of hair and they put it under a microscope. Guess what? It's fucking cat hair. Yeah, lint roller, get out of here. There are suddenly suddenly hair isn't so bad, is it? No, it's not now. And they also let's see, they also find her a couple of strands of her hair, too.

But they're able to know that Robert doesn't have a cat. He never lived with them when they had the cat. He has no access to a cat, it said, which is like a. That's tragic. Your Honor, he simply had no cat access. No, not at home, not at work. He wasn't allowed at the pet store. Truly, my worst nightmare if you were denied cat access. How many times have I looked at them in the cat cam today?

Oh, six I seen probably.

But my dad's watching the cats. And when I first turn that the cat cam on to stare at them, he makes a noise and I see him go, whoa, like put his head in there.

Hello, party like it's a cat.

And Dad can actually just catch him in a handful of peanuts or whatever dads do when they're alone. What are you like? You can put cat treats in the machine. What do they just put peanuts in and got Marty to come in? Just fucking his jumping up and get in or something and fighting Elvis up from behind? I like he is such your kind. That's not my kind of mix of cat treats and peanuts. Georgia's trail mix, promo code murder.

I got murder, so bup bup bup bup. OK, so they arrest Rob for the murder of his estranged wife, Lori, and based on the cat hair evidence and during their arrest, when they tell them, Rob said, you got to be kidding me, fucking asshole. OK, so prosecutors believe the surveillance photos support their theory that Lori was abducted in the parking lot. So they reconstruct the crime scene by the photos that NASA, you know, did squasher to develop.

And they see that the Chevy he was driving was in the mall parking lot. And they see her kind of it sounds it seems like they like he she got out of the car to go to work. He who had the kid that day probably was like, oh, my God, you have to come with me. There's something wrong with Matthew.

So she jumps in the car because she thinks something's wrong with her kid and then they don't really know what happens after that until she until she's missing. So. So prosecutors allege that he had two possible motives.

First was that he had taken out an insurance policy on Lori and his son and listed himself as a beneficiary. And he took that after they separated, which I feel like you need to prove you're still married if you're going to take out a fucking life insurance policy.

I know there's a there's a lot going on in this country right now, but if we could at some point. Yeah. When the shit stops rolling, if we can take a look at these insurance. Yeah. These I mean, arrest anyone who has an insurance policy for their spouse above, what, 50 grand, you know.

Ten, ten. Yeah. My guy fucking shot Grady Stiles for fifteen hundred dollars. That's right. I mean, fuck that's true. That's true. OK, I called my guy. That's embarrassing. Your best friend and the payout? Oh, hey, the payout for criminal homicide was ten thousand dollars. You're psychic, I mean. Oh, yes. No, you just said that. Yes, I fucking did. Irish psychic fear me. And of course, the other was that they were engaged in a custody custody dispute over their kid and Lori's boyfriend at the time.

This dude, Malcolm, says that Robert was stalking her and Laurie Laurie's mother had discovered two shotguns under her bed two weeks before she disappeared. And when she asks her daughter about them, she's like, I'm fucking scared of my ex. Oh, yeah. So one of Lori's friends testified that Laurie carried Mace in her purse in case Rob attacked her. And the supervisors at work would say he'd come stand outside the window and she'd fucking run in the back and they would watch her leave work and walk to her car to make sure nothing happened to her.

But nobody fucking thought, like on your way to work in the in broad daylight in a busy fucking mall parking lot.

Like, just doesn't cross your mind. Yeah. So a background check reveals that Rob had a troubled past shortly after marrying Laura Laurie. He's convicted of a DUI and serves a stint in prison. And while he's there, OK, while he's in prison, everyone, he orders a book about how to commit murder and get away with it in prison.

So they have like it's almost like the Scholastic book series where you can just order, oh, this Encyclopedia Brown, that's fun. Oh, and then also a murder book. Yeah. How did there was no Internet. There was no fucking book selling place. I just feel like the warden should tighten that game up a little bit. They did. They were they like got it. And they were like no but they knew he had ordered it. They wouldn't give it to him though.

They just put it in the prison library. Yeah. When you have library access, you can you can read your book, earn the privilege of learning how to murder correctly. So in March 1992, Rob Walker is found guilty of first degree murder and sentence and kidnapping and is sentenced to death. But on appeal, the death sentence is vacated. But he will spend the rest of his life in prison. Yeah, yeah.

So Laurie's case and NASA's involvement is the first time digital video enhancement is used on a crime scene photo, making it a forensic breakthrough. And Lori's murder signified a scientific awakening. I'm reading from Forensic Files, obviously do it. I support the forensic world and set a trend of utilizing this same technology, which is like pretty standard now. And countless crimes have been solved because of the technology used to identify and prosecute the killer of Ann. And that is the story of the murder of Lori Manacor naives.

And there you go, heroic cat, just the kind of stories we need these days. Yes. What about you? What do you have for us?

I mean, it's a classic. It's from it's from Salt Lake City or Salt Lake City show, February, February 16th. Twenty eighteen. It's the Donner Party. I mean, you got to this is my Christmas gift to you, everybody. A horrible story about people wandering in the snow. Yeah. You did a great job of this one. I remember that for sure. And it's a perfect story for when everyone snuggling in this house on this week.

That is Christmas. Yes.

Big snuggle in and don't eat anything for days and days and days. Grateful for what you have and thankful for. Right. War. Really appreciate it. You're not a pioneer. You're not trying to cross the Great Salt Lake. You're not getting bad directions from anybody now. Anyway, I'll let myself tell the story I'm first, OK?

Yeah, great. And so great. With the help of Barbara Gray and Emily Clawson, I present to you the Donner Party.

Yeah. What that is like next level to I'm impressed. OK, go ahead, you deserve it. I'm impressed. I just like that didn't cross my mind. Can I tell you I have a bad memory of I wasn't in the Donner Party.

But this whole thing brings up a lot of negative stuff for me. It's really hard for me. When I the first the first I did drunk history. The first season. Yes, you did, everybody.

Thank you. The best one is my sister. Laura thinks it's the best one. It's really good. It's the episode of what are they called? Lewis and Clark. But what happened was that same night, they were like, we're going to get to in one night. So the second one was the Donner Party. And so 12 hours after we had started drinking and that Dan Lewis and Clark, then we started on the Donner Party, I don't remember a thing.

It was unbearable. I drunk history. I was hung over for the rest of my life, broke up with my fiancee, like based off of I was just like, no, I shut it all down. I guess maybe you can bring it back up. OK, tell me when things start to come to you. Please stop me. Flashes of memory smells a single cigarette. I want to hear about every word of it. Got it. OK, did I just burp right into the microphone.

I didn't even notice. But now that you mention that, I think it it does. Who's here for the first time since he's never listened to, I guess before the poor people like come for the first time because their significant other is a controlling freak. So sorry. You want to be home watching professional wrestling. Oh, OK. All right. There's a lot of details in this that I left out, and I'm not sure we're going to have about a ten year range of accuracy, accuracy issues.

Now, I just doubt every fucking thing that comes out of my mouth. Why not? And that's our brand. Excuse me. So it starts out, obviously with George Donner, his family, his wife, Tamsin. What a great name. It's his third wife. Wow. Right. Eighteen forty six. They're doing it. The flu took them. It's the flu boom, 1846. OK, that just I don't know why the flu made me laugh that hard.

I loved it. I think we have an oxygen tank. Do you stay? Can we have it? We said some weird things last night.

What was the thing you said about the police line or something? I don't know.

But someone might know it. Yes, what was it, Haski prestigious ski resort, which was set up to rescue the hostages? It was like that moment when right when you're like, oh, shit, I'm too stoned to be in this record store. That's what it was like. But up here holding a microphone with you all tonight.

OK, go on. Just like now. So this all starts April 14th. Eighteen forty six. Quite some time ago, George Donner and a man named James, every day they leave Springfield, Illinois, because it's all that Manifest Destiny shit. They're like, let's go to California. We've already killed it in the farming game out here in Illinois. Enough. Let's do let's go. Two thousand five hundred miles west in wooden machines, word for word.

So far, they drunk history. It's coming back. Word for word is exactly how you said, OK, so so they they forget it.

Basically they they the reeds and the donors have their own little wagon train. Right. Then they meet up with a bigger wagon train. It takes them a month. It's May 19th. They meet up in independence. They meet up with Colonel William H. Russell's wagon train. When they meet up and they all combine, it's two miles long. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And and it's a lovely spring day.

So then a month later, and I'm not there's so many deaths. I mean, like, these are people that just are out in the middle of nowhere with no doctors or provisions like one one slight bruising and they're fucking dead and buried next to the trail. So I can't mention every single person and especially child who died. I'm skimming the Wikipedia page on this story is deep and wide, and I suggest you go there. It also contains the the diary entries of a man I believe is something brain.

His last name is Brain and he keeps a diary the whole fucking time. The Donner Party is stuck at the old pass and every day, while everyone around him old spoiler alert is starving to death, he gets up in. The first thing he writes in his diary is beautiful day to day. And like after the eleventh one of those, I was like, fuck this guy, fuck these details. I'm not fucking naming every name. All right.

So this podcast is not called my oh, the podcast. It's called my favorite. My favorite murderer. That's right. Thank you. That's Karen Killgore. That's Georgia Hard Start. This podcast is not called my favorite, Damer. That's right. So Jeffrey Dahmer. Yes. Look, listen. So just a quick reset. So then also they're losing leaders. Some person dies and then they're like, you're no longer allowed to be in charge of here.

So Colonel William Russell resigns and then a guy named Borgs becomes the leader. So then they start calling it the Bugs Company, which is kind of rad. You have to admit a really good title. They all had to Fort Bridger, which is on the southwest edge of Wyoming, it takes them over a month. Oh, shit. Hold on. We've got some pictures here. These are the Donners. They look like a George, would you say they look like partiers.

The Donner Party is the one standing has their head cocked ever so slightly like, yeah, I'm drunk. So it's the fucking eighteen fifty. Yes, it sucks. And then here's the reeds. Oh man. Doesn't he look like Gabriel Byrne like crazy. I don't know who that is. The Irish actor. He's your favorite. Oh yeah.

She and she looks like the lady from Game of Thrones who nursed her child for too long.

Doesn't. The most haunting image I've ever seen in my life. So great, so now you know who the players are. Oh, there you go. Thank you. OK, so you guys are going to recognize that when I start talking about it right now. OK, so it takes them a month to get there. And on the way, this guy, his name is Lanford Hastings, and he starts spreading a rumor that there's a shortcut through the snow across the Salt Lake Desert.

So normally they go this. I think this actually Stephen made a map. Oh, Stephen. So check this shit out. That's amazing. Sorry. Stephen pulled a map off the Internet that someone else read books and studied and cared. OK, so they're starting over there far to the right at Fort Richard, OK? And they're supposed to go up, like up over there to kind of avoid all the bad parts of the desert. OK? But Landfried Hastings's like you guys.

Oh, man. They named it after him because they were like, fuck you. Everyone's going to remember because we're naming it after you. That's right. No, he he told everybody there was a shortcut. And and so George Donner and Reid were like, yes, our wives are bitching at us. So we need to cut at least 40 days off this trip and everybody else. And the bugs company, it sounds like they're all wearing vests with pocket watches, but everybody else in the box company is like, absolutely not.

What are you fucking thinking? Because we know not only is it going around the worst part, but it's the proof. It's a trail. People have gone down it before. Right. Come come to find out. Lanford Hastings had never gone down his shortcut before. So it was all just an act of love. He just believed in the shortcut and he was trying to take some people down with them. So so they end up. Oh yeah, I just wrote.

So they just want to get to California so they can finally get tan.

That's a waste of time, Karen. Just write facts down and maybe it'll be a better podcast. Get the date right first, OK? Also just in life, keep an eye out for the Lanford Hastings' because they're everywhere and they'll always be like, oh yeah, yeah, we're all going to go out. We're going to go to this restaurant. So I'm great. And then you show up there and you have a party of twelve and there's only tables for eight or whatever, and it fucks up the whole night.

There's always a person. It's like, I got this and they don't fucking got it. And you have to you have to keep your eyes peeled for these people and you have to overpower them. Because if they can't plan for the group, if they can't think for the group, if it's all all centered on them, no way. Get out. Got it. That is important to me. Yeah. But what. OK, never mind.

No, you can devil's advocate away. I mean, don't take a shortcut, you know. So you're on my side. Yes, yeah. Yes, yeah.

The problem is and this is the thing that's the overarching thing. As you know, as your mind deep down knows, is that they're fighting against time because it's late spring and going to summer or maybe even summer. So they have to get past this past before winter actually hits. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah.

But I don't want on a downer shame, but don't go don't follow this person you just met who probably smells bad. It's they all smell that. I mean, and following was a whole big thing. That was the thing. I was like follow me to California. OK, all right. Follow me from for two thousand miles. Get good at following me, ok. So hold on. OK, so then they decide, so Reid decides to go and Donna decides to go and they elect on her to be the leader of the group, therefore retitling the short the smaller group that took the shortcut, the Donner Party or a.

But Pterodactyl is trying to set the scene, OK, so on July 31st, the first eighteen forty six, get that oxygen out here quickly. The Donner Party is comprised of 74 people, 20 wagons. They leave Fort Bridger. It doesn't go well, so it starts off OK. They're in Hastings Trail. He's like a couple of days ahead of them. They're just following where he went. Everything's good. They're making good time. Five days and they find a note left by Hastings saying that the road ahead is impassable.

Oh, sorry. We can only see four people in this booth, I guess everyone else to stand in the middle of the fucking restaurant with their eyes on other people's fucking table. Or it's that thing where they're like, oh, we'll just we'll break up. And then you're left with the people you don't really know and didn't realize. You're not central. Yeah. You were like, I came here for that fucker over here. And now that you work with and his cousins, get out of here and then it's high tea.

You have to eat tiny sandwiches and then to be quiet the whole time. So James Reid and two other guys run ahead. They fucking meet Hastings. This is the best. Hastings walks them back. They go walk up to the top of a mountain and then he goes, OK, we were going to go that way, go this way from the top of a mountain. He points to the new trail. I'm tired just hearing about, I mean, hours and hours in a bumpy leg, basically on a picnic bench that's bumping up and down.

Yeah, no. OK, thank you. On August 30th, they reach Reddam Spring, it's the last source of water before they cross the desert, so they collect up obviously tons of water, ton of grass for the animals.

Eighty seven people. Twenty three wagons set out across the desert on the shortcut on the third day they run out of water. Oh, that was bad. I thought you collected up all the spring water, OK. So it takes some five days altogether to get to the foot of pilot peak, they have lost thirty eight head of cattle on the way. Most of them are reeds for wagons broke and had to just be abandoned.

So people just had to leave their old fashioned trunk of shit in the middle of the desert to be a match if you count. Oh, so jealous. Old like a handmade cloth, Don block blocks that the dad car all the time. But what about pawn? I was going to say, what if it's got the flu on it, the flu old flu bug that's been eradicated? You're like poor 19, like 18 something one blue face full of flu.

It's an episode of House. Then they have to come back and inspect the trunk. All the doctors, even though no doctor would leave the hospital for you ever. It's personal. It was supposed to take them a week on this shortcut. It took them a month. Perfect. Right. So just how you want they arrive. They take stock. They realize they are not they don't have enough provisions for the rest of the trip. So they send two young men, Charles Stanton and William McCutchen, ahead to Sutter's fort to request more soldiers.

Fort is like north of Sacramento, I believe. It's definitely in California, isn't it?

I'm pretty sure. Make it up. There it is. Yes, I was right. Suck. All of it was OK. I'm sorry. I didn't mean the last part. Oh, this is our job. You know, it's so rude. I apologize. Oh, no. OK, so after.

Fuck you. What was I going to say. After effects. OK. They get there, it's like going to say it, so it's the beginning of October, the Donner Party, no time's running out. They have to fucking hustle up the Humboldt River. Somewhere around October 11th, Paiute Indians kill twenty one of the Donner parties oxen, which is kind of a great way to take people out. They just fucking killed a bunch of them 18 or stolen.

A couple more are wounded. So over a hundred of the oxen are now going to leave the animals out of this shit. Well, and also the food and the weighed wagons get pulled. Sometimes animals like this fucking sucks. We want to stay in Chicago or Illinois or other or from we don't care about the sunshine in California. We're worshiped in Chicago. They love us there. Yeah. California is a bunch of fucking assholes. For one second I thought you had said support oxen.

And I was like, that's the best idea in the world. Just fucking go into a sushi restaurant with a fucking bison. Like it's I'm so stressed, like emotional support, my emotional support oxen. You can't do shit about it. I have a little blue vest for it and that is now the law in America is just fucking rip and shit up. I don't know what to act and act like Starbucks. I'm just eating it all the sandwiches.

Don't stop it. Rusty, I told you no. OK, adopt. Don't shop for it. Please don't buy bison any more. You guys, there's so many stray bison then fucking so when Charles comes back keep going.

He he has seven mules loaded with provisions and two Native American guides name Lewis or Lewis maybe and Salvador.

And he also brings the good news that they there's still a month. This series should still be open for a month. They can still cross about. Great. Let's go for it. It's like it's my birthday month. Let's fucking do this will be great. I am going to live it up this month. I'm going to drink so many ladles of water. Don't even. So, the problem is on October 28th, a huge snowstorm strikes and they're trapped at Truckee Lake, which is bad fucking news.

Because I went to college in my short stint at college, there were two girls from Truckee and my dorm and they were fucking scary. But like, I was legit scared of them. Oh, my God. It's a serious area. So they're trapped at Truckee Lake. Snow starts piling up. They have to build shelters and cabins real fast. They can't they can't move on. And this is this is where it becomes this horrifying Groundhog's Day of people trying to leave a place and climb a mountain and the snow coming and then them coming back.

It just keeps happening over and over. And it's not like with Bill Murray. It's like there's no wonderful Andie MacDowell essence in it.

Hare Jesus. OK, so they try a couple of times, whether it beats them back, their food supplies almost gone. They know they have to go get help. So finally on December 16th, they've been there for quite some time. They decide this. Fifteen strongest people that aren't slowly wasting away people were eating shoelaces and they're giving the children animal bones to like bad news. So they make their own snow shoes and they're like, well, you can do it.

And they go out to try to get to fucking Sutter's fort.

So to get help. So they thought they were going to reach by their, you know, maps or whatever. They thought they'd reach California in six days. Oh, also, they named themselves because I guess they had to just name their parties always. So just to keep it upbeat and positive, they named their party the Forlorn Hope.

Oh, oh, oh, man.

People they're like walking up and then people are like shutting their curtains. Like, it's such a bummer. I do not want to hang out with them. Oh.

So they think it's going to take six days and it does no cut to two weeks later. Provisions have run out. Several members of the party have gone snow blind. They're all exhausted. And then on Christmas Day, a blizzard hits and they're out in the middle of nowhere. They have no shelter. Come on, Santa, get it together, Michael. I wish for more shoelaces to chew on there. Actually, it's so bad. They're caught out in the snow.

They make a ring, they take their blankets and they put their blankets over themselves like fucking children in a fort while the snow falls on that. What a bummer it is. So also, I hate being cold so much, it makes me so mad. Anyhow, we're having fun here and we love it so much because I like being inside when it's cold outside. It makes me feel superior. Not in a blizzard outside. Oh, no, no, no.

You want to touch it so they decide in the in the night. Eight people die from that. So they decide, oh, no, sorry. Before eight people die. They say this this group, the forlorn lovers, they decide they're going to kill somebody for food. Oh, so they have everybody draw no draw, draw lots. And the one guy that gets the short lot, nobody can bring themselves to kill someone.

They're like, forget it. And then another snowstorm hits. That's when the eight people die. And then they're like, well, dinner's served exactly right. It's in there, girl. It's all over. You know, you had a minute. I'm sorry, no dinner is served, but then I'm going to own it. OK, it's hot. Fill my head. Oh, it's shit crazy. OK, you look at me and I don't have oily skin.

OK, so yes, they turn to cannibalism. They from the people who died in the night they removed remove the meat from the bodies.

They eat it all while weeping and turned away from each other as you do with cannibalism. It's not like oh my God, did you see that fucking tree. The leaves out here are nuts. We have to come back of all these leaves. Oh, what a bummer. I've seen the movie alive. I know how it's like that movie when it starts.

I'm like, I can't do this. And then an hour and a half later, I'm like, we've done it. Why did I get to watch that when I was eleven? That was a mistake, because you need to know that a plane could always crash. Well, I'm never afraid. I don't need all of his antics on planes now. That's why that's why that in La Bamba I was like fucking flying when I was a little kid. That was a surprise ending in La Bamba.

I didn't see it coming as a kid. So beautiful. And he had so much to give. OK, listen, look, they cut up the bodies and package it obviously, because they're they still need to keep eating, but they label the packaging so no one eats their relative.

Sorry.

Just I mean, great. I'm glad that's awesome. But still don't. Come on, let's not. So are you OK? Yes. I'm going to make this if they can make it. I can't wait. They didn't make it but they had camil cannibalised seven of their eight dead. They thought the trip would take six days. It took them thirty three. They finally arrive at Johnson's ranch on January 17th. Eighteen forty seven. Hey, fucking man.

It's five women and two men. OK, so the news of what's going on with it.

Thank you, Ben. She's glad the men died and not the women, I think. I'm not fucking kidding, like they're all bummed, they're all. Can we make you guys some dinner? We're here. Guess we'll go cook now. We're starving to death. And that's the day feminism started. Don't care for that. OK, so the word of how insane it's gotten gets back to center sport and a rescue party gets sent out. It takes the soldiers 18 days.

This is also the frustrating part of doing this research. Everything takes 18 days and it's fucking infuriating. So you think like, oh, the rescue party. And it's like it's a month away. Yeah. So one of the rescuers recalls when they arrived at the Truckee Lake encampment, he said at sunset we crossed Trache Lake on the ice. We came to the spot where we had been told we should find the immigrants with an E.. We looked all around, but no living thing except ourselves was in sight.

We raised a loud hello and then we saw a woman emerge from a hole in the snow.

She had long black hair hanging down in front of her face and a wet nightgown on. She was whispering something as we approached her. Several others made their appearance in the manner coming out of the snow they got with famine. And I never can forget the horrible, ghastly sight they presented. The first woman spoke in a hollow voice, very much agitated and said, Are you men from California or do you come from heaven?

Oh, I'm sorry about that acting that ruined it. Isn't that horrifying? And then they started scratching at his skin, sorry. So they're all on the verge of death as if they had started eating. So they had covered their roofs and animal hides. They had started eating. The animal hides off the roofs because there was no food. They were fighting over the animal like cotton fucking candy.

Oh, that's creepy. It's not good because you're just chewing and chewing.

Babies were being fed ice melt, mixed with a pinch of flour. That's all they got to have. I told you about the children and the shoelaces and the animal bones. Eleven people were dead from starvation and there was evidence at cannibalism at this camp, too. They started calling it starvation camp, but they got even lower than the original depressing name. Yes, exactly. They're like, oh, the forlorn bum out. Hold on. We can beat this.

In mid-February, John Sutter, who was the proprietor of Sutter's fort, and Captain Edward Kern, the temporary commander, offered three dollars a day to anyone who would join a rescue party and go help. So between February 21st and April 17th of eighteen forty seven, they sent for relief parties to the Donner Party encampment starved camp. Now it seems like good news like this one. I got to this part in my story. I was like, I'm pretty much done.

And I went and had high tea downstairs. But it turned out when I got back that this was like one even more of the pain started because, of course, there was only a certain amount of people that were in these rescue parties. But there were, I think, 80 over 80, almost 90 people, altogether less the a couple that have had died so far. And so they it was, again, this thing of they're going there rescuing.

Are you strong enough to even leave? So they would leave, they would start up the mountain. It would the snow would hit and they would fucking have to come back to starvation camp. Yeah.

So the first relief party to get across the pass had twenty three members that were strong enough to get out to die during the journey. Two went back. It couldn't take it. The second relief party arrived on March 1st. They found significant evidence of cannibalism. I think that was from up there too. Oh no. Just slightly all over the place. There's a it's a sprinkling of cannibalism all around the mountain. Yeah. Here and there.

The second relief left with seventeen survivors on March 3rd. A blizzard strikes on March 5th. That last two days, two people die. Most of them returned to starvation camp.

What a bummer to be like. You know, it's a better option. Let's go back to let's go to Chicago. I'm one of those hotels. Oh, sorry. I've been saying starvation camp. It's starved camp. Is that why you guys are so mad? OK, they try again in mid-March and they're forced to return yet again when another blizzard hits. By the time the third relief party arrives on March 12, more survivors had died and been cannibalized.

And when they left two days later, they only take four survivors with them. Five people stay behind, including George Donner and his wife Tasmin, and a man named Lewis Kesa Berg. Near the end of that month, George Donner dies. His wife dies, I think a day or two later. And then when the fourth relief arrives on April 17th, Lewis Hesterberg is the only person alive and he is surrounded by half eaten corpses. Mm hmm.

Is that true? I like to think so. So horrifying. So he was the last member of the Donner Party to reach Sutter's fort, and he got there on April twenty ninth. Eighteen forty seven in June of eighteen forty seven. When the army fucking gets there to like figure out what happened and it takes that long because the snow was so bad on the pass. They get there, they gather up all of the cannibalised remains, put them into the remaining cabin and they burn to the ground.

So eighty nine people were in the Donner Party. Of those, forty one died. Forty eight survived. None of the adults lived, but most James Reid, who was the guy that started out with them.

And it is certain I didn't put this in, but it is very detailed. But basically, at one point early on, he gets into a fight with a guy and stabs him to death, gets ostracized from the group, and then he's like tells us what gets me in California. And if a kid bails out and then he comes back around and he was in the second relief party that came to rescue people and most of the kids lived. Wow.

So don't fucking worry about him, OK? They did great.

And oh, it's the guy's name was Patrick Breen. Highly recommend you go online and read Patrick Brandes Diary of Total Fucking Starvation Insanity, where every day is clean and crisp and beautiful and he's just a little bit more starving.

That's the Donner Party, everybody.

Oh, man.

That is their harrowing hero. Come on. Great. What a what a thing. Great. What a thing to have gone through, truly. All right. And then now we're going to give you a little hometown from our London show from May 12th to. Twenty eighteen, that's right. I was from the Hammersmith Apollo. Check it out, it's a good one. Who do we have time for? A very quick hometown. Yes. Whoever wins.

OK, good, I'm going to tell you the rules really, really quick of a hometown. You may have heard this before, but I'll say it for the people who who've never listen to our podcast. God bless your souls. I'm so sorry about everything that's happened tonight. So this is a home part where we are going to call somebody up to tell their hometown murder. Now, listen, you're going to want to tell it in a concise, clear, quick manner.

You have to remember that if you get picked, everyone who didn't get picked hates your guts. So they're not going to want to watch you, like, shout out your family and do a bunch of shit. Just come up and tell it. It really needs to have an ending that's a key to all storytelling. Beginning, middle, end. Don't leave us hanging. Don't tell us how confused and upset everyone was that they never got an answer because they will be mad at you because then we'll be confused and upset.

You can't be so drunk that you can't follow your own storyline. That's very we've had that one before and it's funny and charming, but also boring as fuck. So you can be super buzzed, but as long as you can power through it and, you know, hold your own line of logic, that's key. And I think that's right. Local. It should be low. Yeah. Don't bring some Arizona shit up here. No one wants to hear that.

We want a fucking London murder or story, whatever you have. So, yeah, Georgia will pick the first time around. Don't fuck this up, everyone. Now, Miss Campbell, everybody is bringing in. There he is. He looks like your prince, doesn't he? Hi. Hi, Al, come here, here, come over here. It's scary, I know, I think it's just it's fear.

Fear. You centre up into a nice stage picture. She did the classic me. Look around. Yeah, you. Could it be me? OK, where are you from? I'm from program which is in the north of England.

Is it anywhere near this where they shoot the television show Veera, which I love and respect further a bit further north Veera is it a bit further? But I'm going to break one rule you just said, oh it's from another murder. It's from one bathroom. Well OK, no that's fine. And it's not a murder but it is a pretty bad one. I'm sure you guys will like. Oh oh so it's, it's the brother. I'm sho rapist.

Oh I never knew about this. I saw it on a documentary last year, which was pretty weird. It's like where we live. So in the eighties there was a rapist. He was getting women on the way home from nights out because in the north we, we just walk home. We don't get taxis. Oh. Is getting women when they were walking home through parks and stuff like that, and he was stealing their shoes after he raped them.

So if this guy did it for about six years and then he just disappeared off the face of the earth, there was a young junior detective at the time. She was called to Hickman, only woman's name. I can remember the entire story. So it was an absolute she got this. And when she finally made detective in the early 2000s, she looked out quite what's going on now with the Golden State killer. She was looking at her familial DNA.

Yeah, but in the UK, you can get your DNA to look for pretty much anything now if you commit a crime. Cool. She got some hits. Three thousand and she spent four years. She got it down to six people that she it to him. How many years? About four or five. It was it took her that long. Yes. Well, she was only doing it part time. Also doing crimes were happening pretty rough and she she was multitasking.

She was got it all covered and she was on number three of her list. This lady was arrested for drunk driving and she gave her DNA. And when they did the test, it was she said, do you have any brothers? She said, yeah, I've got a brother, but I don't talk to them anymore.

She says, All right, well, try and get me some information on that. And immediately after she left the lady, clearly she rang her brother and she told him that she just saw this lady talking about some rapes. He put the phone down and within minutes the police were called. There was a man trying to kill himself in Rotherham because it's a. But I thought, my gosh, she loves that part of the story back and loves it.

Well, it was very good. It is. Some found it stopped. He was he was not always fine. So he he got arrested while the police were there. They thought it was pretty weird. They took him to the hospital and they kept an officer with him. It was like this guy was just a regular PC. And he said something is weird about this guy. He was more in a lot of stuff. And he arrested him for a crime that he did not know what happened.

He said for I think it happened in the eighties. I think you rape somebody. And I think he was a victim and he was arrested him for that. And they took him down to the police station. He confessed to everything. But this is where it gets weird. They went to his place of work. You worked since he was 18. They pulled up the floorboards and they found a hundred and twenty six pairs of shoes.

Oh, my. Then, oh, my God. Oh, wait, sorry, where did he work? He went to a printing factory in front of him. Look, yes, yes, that's what we're all it's just out there in the sky and no one knows what you do. And so we're going to we're going to end on a high and then it's just going to go low at the end. So sorry about that. OK, OK, so he got convicted.

He pled guilty. The judge, which is pretty big for the U.K., he gave him life in prison. Yeah. Yeah. That's not high and it's going to come back down low and the other two that he was overturned because it's England and we believe in getting people better, they can leave prison again. And it's probably not everybody should get that. And it was overturned and they let him go in 2006. And he's probably still in Rotherham and.

Oh, my God, that's so he's out right now. Oh, you guys give it up for Alice. You feel that that was a real fucking roller coaster. All right, great hometown.

That's how you doing?

Those guys, you guys, this will be our I think our last personal personally recorded show for the year until we see you in twenty twenty one.

Yay! Yeah. Let's I'll be there. That's where a great outfit. Let's put on the shoes we haven't worn in a year. I think everybody make a list of the things you're grateful for. Get into that place and if you have something to spare, try to figure out a way to give it to people who don't. Because there are people that are going through really tough times these days. What the government is doing to people is a crime.

And don't forget. Oh, well, don't forget your food banks and many of you have not, because when we did our Stay Sexy Mask fundraiser, we raised thirty five thousand seven hundred ninety one dollars for Feeding America dog, which is you guys buying those masks. You guys raised that money. Thank you so much. That is a murderer. And I was taking action. It means so much because people really need help these days. You keep it in mind anywhere you can spread a little joy or give people some support or just let people merge in front of you or whatever.

Like, honestly, it's tough times.

Yes, for sure. And that is that's an incredible amount of money raised for so much money. I'm just I can't I'm blown away by everyone's generosity. And then also for the MFD logo pin that we were giving all the funds to the LGBTQ Freedom Fund, we raised twenty over twenty two thousand dollars for LGBTQ Freedom Fund, which is fucking incredible.

We are we are just blown away by everyone's generosity and how incredible that is. So thank you guys.

Listenership really they really get stuff done when they come together. All your murder, you know, your subgroups murder city by city.

You guys, you get together, you take action, you support each other and you help other people. It's really a beautiful thing to see. There's nothing more touching to me. There's nothing more validating or like rewarding to me about the fact that we started this podcast. Honestly, then when we find stuff like that out that people raise money or they go out and volunteer or do stuff, it is there's this really beautiful activist element to people listening to this podcast that has nothing to do with us.

It's you guys doing it. It's like you show up, you show up for people in need. And we're so happy to facilitate that. But we are blown away. I mean, it's it's you guys and we appreciate it so much. We love being the face of it. But you guys are the body. And yeah, you've done very beautiful work this year.

And and even the little little things, if you couldn't give money cause you're broke yourself, you know, just stay positive and stay strong and reach out to reach out, make sure you're talking to people, make sure that you are communicating with people, don't get lonely and don't stay in your own head. That's crucial at times like this. And remember that we love you and we're grateful for you and stay sexy and don't get murdered by twenty twenty.

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