This is exactly right. The Early Show didn't stand. Back in Late Show with PRISM, one girl in the front row stood up by herself. Yes, that's right. It was so sweet. And then she turned around and saw that no one else was tearing up and she sat down is the best I felt. I felt it. It was the best, strongest ovation from the loneliest. But it's my greatest fear to stand up in front of people who I assume are standing and actually are sitting and staring at my ass.

That's probably in the top three or the other ones. And of course, MOS in a box and everything that's happening today. But other than that, we're all together. That's what's important. Yes, they are, yes, oh, a late show, yes, later vibe's as we were walking up the stairs, Vince is walking up to the stage and it goes now remember they've been drinking since 5:00. That's right. So have we I mean, look, I couldn't stay on the wagon for too long.

Seventeen years is quite some time. I stopped shaking.

Was one of our best new bits. Let's see about that.

Yeah, we did that already. I got oh, if you I mean, some of you may have been here, but the first show at the end of the show, we had a wedding proposal of marriage.

A wedding proposal of marriage. It was that it wasn't just any wedding proposal, it was a marriage of marriage. And not only that, if you follow the my favorite murder out of context Twitter feed, it's the people that run that.

And it's that couple. We brought them up, said, thanks so much for doing that. They told us the story behind it. So cute. They did it in high school. Then they broke up, led their lives and they met again. And I was like, I wonder which one's going to propose. And then she was shaking so much I realized it wasn't and I was going to do it like that. You don't shake that much and not know what's going to happen.

And then she said, since I'm broke and pulled a ring pop out.

So cute. It was I almost gave her my my one of mine, but it's probably cost less than the repotted. That's not insulting to Vince because we thought, oh no, no, not the good one. I guess I need a wedding ring after we got married. Everything about that gesture saw. I know it didn't mean it that way, but there it is. But there it was. But there was laying on the floor with the rug that we brought from home.

Oh, this is my favorite murder, by the way. It's a podcast. That's Karen Kilgariff. This is Shahjahan Star. That shaky stuff, shaky, slow down.

We were in New York all week, we saw one man, completely naked man in front of our hotel yesterday, just the one, thankfully, just one side. And thankfully, it was only him. And that's good luck. I think when you see one in L.A., it's if you see Angelina, that lady in the pink car, that's good luck.

And then in New York, just a fully nude man at night on the sidewalk in front of the door to your hotel that you're about to have to walk through. Good luck. Good luck. Good bye. Yes, that happened. That really happened to us.

And I flashed you if you were if he were here for the show before this, you'll know that I walked out of the elevator knowing Karen was going to be waiting for me so I can give her my her bag. And at that moment, I was like, you know what I'm going to do? I have sleeves on my dress, pulled it down so my tits are out and walked out of the elevator. And what was it, midnight on a Saturday?

Today. Saturday on a Friday night. Midnight Friday night. New York City Hotel. And Georgia rolls the fucking dice and comes out topless. Anyone could have been standing next to me either way. It's a great story. No, I mean, could have even been a better story if there was just a group of businessmen standing stand there talking about the fucking Dow Jones Industrial Average. And then what? And then but I was like, bet on, you know, red.

And then I was right. And then also you bet on red in the Dow Jones. Yes. I think it's it's green and purple and pink and red. Oh. And then you just bet and then you make friends.

For me, visually, it was shocking. Not not because Georgia was topless, because she's done that fun trick to me several times.

It's truly a surprise nakedness. I highly recommend it as a joke. Also, she makes her eyes go like three times wider than I've ever seen them. So there's lots to look at. It's like, what's this? How are you doing that? What's happening?

It's just it's the it's the embodiment of surprise. But also that little dress you have, it's like a sundress sundress with an elastic at the top. And she just had it right underneath her tits. So it's kind of like how you do it off the shoulder. You have your choice. You're like, I don't know, go off their shoulder. She's just like, I'm going to go down here today. I'm just going to make it like the make it back.

And sometimes you get to make her own my bit. We do have to do hollaway bits. It's good Steven's not here. He is not here, everybody I know, he's taking care of my cat.

I tell what you're doing is taking care of my cat. No. Oh, stop it. Stop shaking me. Oh, he's doing a great job.

Lots of photos. Yes, he always does such a good he dedicates himself to the taking care of your cats. I think he's figured out and he got a new app or something because now he's he's got a photo of them and then it and then parts appear around it. And like a little song comes on. If I had if I hit the loud thing on which I never do, I thought you were going to say that he had cat ears and like a cat face on the cat's cafes for cats.

You love cats so much, put an extra cat face to face on your cat's face. It'll be great.

Yeah. Is that the end of that anecdote, one that really was that really wasn't anything. It wasn't guys Late Show. It's late. You don't get to the strongest anecdotes, but. That guy has an even Elvis shirt on, even I am an Elvis shirt on, don't you? In a minute, I'm sure she did the brave thing and stood right up lotion on her hands, by the way. That's really good. That's why I'm touching her so much also because we're working on our new Cirque de Soleil, where we just weirdly pull each other to the side as the opening of the show we had we just did a show and then we do the meet and greet afterwards, people hugging and smiling.

And it's really lovely. And then both of us go back. We're not old ladies and both of us go back to the green room and just do this stretch because the lower back hurts my hips. This time my plantar fasciitis is hip. Oh, it's real sad.

It's very there's a lot of grunting and crying and it's not like this is sports strenuous any anything at all hard.

There's five minutes of standing and then there's an hour of sitting and we're like, oh, how do we get through another night?

No one's ever thrown their back out from hugging people before.

And yet we had a girl in the meet and greet who said she was really fast. She was great to me. And she's walking by and she goes, My psychic Italian grandmother knows who killed JonBenet. She walked away. Yes. And Karen is like, looking back here right now. And she goes there. Karen goes, she's psychic. And she goes, she's a psychic nutritionist. And then fucking walked away. A psychic nutritionist, I can tell you, eight fucking whatever for breakfast.

Right. She's like, stop with the carbs already. Like, you don't have to be a psychic. You're really that's a bit of a scam. Psychic nutrition. That's true. I don't know. It feels like you're eating a ton of garbage.

I don't know why I feel like you eat chocolate in crumbs and Hotelbeds. It seems like you lay down all the time. And I feel like you ate McDonald's in a New York hotel room.

Oh, no, sir. I just burped. I'm so sorry that you're not psychic. I have. I'm repeating. Should we sit down? Yes.

Thank you. Tonight's table was brought to you in miniature. No, we haven't grown in size. The table has shrunk. This is a magic show. It is.

I wonder if they use this when they were here for the recent Price is Right live.

Did you know there was a fucking thing? I mean, I know the price is right is alive to begin with. Right. Live to tape live like. I've been so much fucking fun and I hate everything.

And it was like Drew Carey was amazing and a dream.

It was lovely. And did you you didn't get to run on down back. Now you have to be like fun and excited. You have to be like six in the fucking morning. And and they interviewed you to be like, oh, no dancing, you know. Oh, poet for my job. Right, exactly. I'm so excited to be here and I'm just not. What would you say?

I'll be the announcer. Probably Don Pardo. I can't remember who it is. And then you do and the camera is going to go like this. And then and the next contestant on The Price is Right.

Come on down, Georgia. Hard, stark. Sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm sorry. No, you should be you should be you you should go. Go for me. Go for me. I'm the director. Cut, cut, cut and go again. We're going to take that again with someone else. OK, now you do it. Now I'll do my reaction. And the next contestant on The Price is right is Karen Kilgariff. Come on.

I would straight up deny. Yeah, I would I would never be there in the first place. This is this is The Late Show. Yeah, it is.

Thank you. This is also a true crime comedy podcasts before we get started. Thank you. Yeah, that's right. So, you know, we always like to run that down for people. Yes. Some people don't know it's true crime.

There's people who are brought to this show by other people against their will and against their better judgment.

Someone in a meet and greet line, they were like three people who were like so happy and hugging us. And there's one woman who is just like, I guess.

And the girl this this is my aunt. She thought she was coming to a murder mystery show. She thought we were going to solve the murders at the end of the show. So how did they lie to her? And I was kind of looking I was like, sorry, into like, you can't win them all.

I mean, it kind of is it's like a mystery how this is happening.

We had a gorilla in the room.

This is my my favorite moments happening in my brain. The meet and greet in New York.

There was a girl who was, we call them drag along. She was a drag along.

We never called them that before. But I love it, you know, drag along that thing we say all the time and have t shirts of.

So the drag along was like it was a thing which is like that. I brought her it's my birthday or whatever, and I turned her and I was like, did you have fun? Just like it was all right. All right, well, OK. And then she starts explaining how this friend of hers is so obsessed that every time they get into the car, she makes them listen to the podcast and she goes, and I'm like sitting in the car like, what are we got?

Listen to talking.

And she's fucking right. She's right. Don't make your friends listen to talking. That's you're supposed to do it with your friend. And then when they're not there, do it with your other friends. But are you first this time, are you ready to listen to some talking.

Good, good, good. You're a first this time. I was first last time. Oh I didn't do the full explanation. So if you're here and you've never seen this show before, it's a true crime comedy podcast, which is kind of a difficult combination sometimes of people aren't used to this setup. You know, murder is obviously a terrible thing. It's very dark and it's very tragic. And we're not laughing at the fact that people kill other people.

There's nothing funny about it. But in the way that we have the conversation about it because of our personalities and the way we talk to each other, we are funny to each other about the things we're talking about.

It's a complex. Yeah, kind of a layered experience. We say this at the top of every episode. You you guys know this by heart by now. Yeah. But just for the people who don't know if you don't like it, get the fuck out is essentially.

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And now I'm going to do the legend of Lizzie Borden. How the fuck am I supposed to follow that? We'll do it fast. Let me go first. I only have one photo at the end. I can't follow that you did. You said it's not. No, no, I don't want to change that. No, don't change it. That's weird. All right. Steven comes out. I'm sorry. Steven comes out with a clipboard and a whistle.

No, you cannot change it. You've been very inaccurate about the order for years. Please don't change it. OK, you got you. Got you go. There you go. Yeah, I'm going. Go, go, go, go, go. You're right. I'm going to. Lizzie Andrew Borden, that's not true, was born on July 19th, 1860, in Fall River, Massachusetts.

Fall River is a pronounced Fall River River. I think it's fall there. When that one came up, I was like, I fucking got this first fall and then river. There's no extra stages at the end or anything.

So there father was grew up kind of poor modestly, but he worked very hard throughout his life. Eventually becomes the director of Textile Textile Mills is a commercial landlord. He does very well for himself. At the time of his death, he was worth three hundred thousand dollars, which today is worth how much?

More than three hundred thousand. That's right. Over eight million dollars. So shit money moneybag. The boards were rich bitches up on the hill. Yeah, but Andrew, the father, I'm going to call him Andy was a cheap bastard. He even though families of Means of the Day all had electricity and indoor plumbing basics. Right. As we call them, Andy was like, we don't need that.

We can do it. Yes. No, you can try it once. Something like, yeah, we need to flush the toilet one time in your life.

And you're like, wow, they're all, wow, this is incredible. I can't go without this poor Lizzies out in the outhouse with a candle.

I really hate my life. She's an older sister named Emma and they're raised very religious. And Lizzie belongs to lots of fun clubs like the Endeavour Society of Women's Christian Temperance Union.

I do not party at all. That's the whole point of it. They don't speak that holy water. No, ever. Now that I think now speaking holy water, it should be you just go like this with it. So unless you spike it with fucking acid, then you're like, oh, my God, Jesus is my boyfriend. I love that you're going to go see Dave Matthews with my boyfriend. Jesus, finally. So now when she's three years old, Lizzie and Emma's mom dies, or I should say just Lizzie's mom lies alongside her father remarries a woman named Abby Frame.

Lizzie and her sister never call Abby mom or mother.

They call her Mrs. Borden because they hate her fucking guts, even at three years old or I guess older. Well, as I guess as they grew up, yeah.

Once they learned how to give shade, they were like, oh, I know how to be very lightly rude to you all day, every day for the rest of your life. Wow.

We're going to keep it formal. They both believe that Abby only married their father for his money, so they're not into it.

OK, so we're going to cut to it's the end of July, 1892.

OK, Lizzie is an unmarried 32 year old Sunday school teacher who, don't forget, belongs to the Women's Christian Union Temperance Union.

Those crazy ladies, why marry when you got your bitch in such a. Oh, can we pull up the first picture?

I'm not sure. Oh, yeah. So here's their home.

Cume Millionaires'.

It's very boxy. And then on the left, there's the outhouse. Just it's just a huge one. Huge did on the other side of that door. Cool.

Looks bleak. Oh. And then I think would you go to the next picture too, because I think we've got there she is.

There's our star. She 100 percent looks like a character.

That hilarious chick from Saturday Night Live would play, you know, by her name. Yes. Kate McKinnon, thank you. Yes. You know why?

Because Kate McKinnon, when she's being super funny, she just does crazy eyes like that. Yeah, but Lizzie had them all the time, apparently. Look at those close cropped curl bangs that she's. Yeah. The thing those took some work. Do I need to do that. Yeah. You should do a part straight up the middle. Every time we do old stories and I see the women's hairstyles from like long ago, it makes me panic.

Like, I have to have that hair right now because that shit where you have to wrap braids up around your head like fucking Heidi and walk around. I mean, I would have if it's horrifying to think just what about the ones like the Jane Austen time were you had to do braid whoops. Like like they're like big Mary J. Blige earrings. But braids pulls out of but not this Irish face Instagram models. What if the Jane Austen look came back and the Instagram models can have it?

That's right. And they can keep it and then gave it. I do. I do like a nice high collar, the high type, but just right up to the choke.

It's right up to the chin. It's hot, OK, sometimes nudity is hot and then I'm sometimes covering your entire body is also trying to wear a unitard dress. It's all that will do it. OK, so Lizzie is living in her father's house as a Sunday school teacher.

Thirty two years old, unmarried. Nothing wrong with it? No, no. But back then they called her a Hagit spinster.

Oh, did they know that's just my discolor that. OK, OK, you can take that picture down of Lizzie.

It's scaring us. It's a bit haunting. And she's like the entire time that she's not answering my eyes. Yes, she's looking right at me. OK, OK.

So a couple of weeks before the time I'm about to talk about.

Oh yes.

I don't know how I phrase that on the page. Lizzie and her sister get into a fight with their parents, their dad and step mom, because they find out that the dad is giving huge amounts of real estate to Abby's family.

Don't do that. So they're pissed. OK, OK. So then a couple days after this big family fight, the whole household is taken violently ill and. Yeah, including their Irish maid, Maggie Sullivan. And so Abby fears that somebody may have tried to poison them because she knows that no one likes her husband, including his daughters and probably their Irish maid, most likely. Sounds great, right? Sounds like a healthy, fun place. Yeah.

Fun house with no electricity or toilet or alcohol. Fighting stress. Yeah. No fucking alcohol, I'm sure. Tons of Bibles.

OK, so everybody recovers but and they recover just in time. For their uncle John Morris to visit, they think he was there to discuss the property transfer issue. OK, so it's August 4th, 1892, OK? And so that morning after breakfast, Andrew and Uncle John, they're in the sitting room and John decides he's going to go head into town and buy a pair of oxen.

He's just like, I'll be right back, I, I have to go pick up a couple of oxen. I forgot I'm going to go to the bodega real quick and just grab two huge oxen and bring him back. Anyone want me Chobani to there and he takes cookies. Yeah. Ogura just just the oxen. OK, ok.

He's also going to go visit another niece in Fall River so he says he's going to be back at noon and Andrew goes for a morning walk. This is around nine a.m. Lizzie and Emma are supposed to clean John's guestroom because that's the one of their chores.

They have chores.

They're 32 and 34 and have so much fucking money. They have a ton of money. No one will actually let them touch and they have to pee in a field, still go make the bed.

So Emma's gone away to visit friends and Lizzie's not anywhere to be found. So Abbie goes up to clean that guestroom sometime between nine and ten thirty a.m. and as she's changing the pillowcases, she is struck on the side of the head just above the ear with a hatchet, causing her to fall face down on the ground. And then she's struck with that hatchet 18 more times on the back of the head.

Oh, killing her. It says that the sentence turns out it kills her. Was it the seventeen? That was somewhere around twelve is what I heard. Shit, man. It's all theory.

That is what we hear at Law and Order call overkill.

That's right. There's a personal issue here. There's a rage issue here. OK, but they don't know any of that yet because this is before police work was invented.

OK, Andrew gets back from his walk, but the front, he goes to open the front door with his front door key. It won't work. So he knocks the Irish maid Maggie comes down. She as she tries to unlock the door, she finds that it's jammed. And then she claims that she heard Lizzie laughing on the stairs.

But she looks around and she doesn't see her there. He where's page three?

There it is. Fuck. Why is page three after page four?

And he has nothing to do. It's actually probably been so small. No. OK, so according to Lizzie, she had been out in the barn looking for, as we all do, you know, during the day when you're a lady walking around looking for a piece of iron, OK, I feel like that got lost in translation the past hundred years.

Right. So I guess it made sense then. Yes.

At the time she said something specific that made sense and was people were like, oh good, good, good.

Right now it's like she, she was out touching Pitchfork's like, like looking for a piece of iron back then was like an innuendo really changing my you know say a tampon.

Yeah.

Did they have that. They didn't have those notes changing the cumbersome fucking diaper I had to wear when I got my period. Essentially I was out in the red tent. Yeah. OK, so she's looking for iron. Oh, you know, your morning ritual, you can't wake up without my iron. So when she comes back to the house, she tells her father that Abby, the stepmother, had gotten a note from a sick friend. And so she left the house to go call on that friend and then she helps her father.

She this is what she tells police later that she brings her father over to the couch and helps him pull off his boots and get settled on the couch because he's going to take a nap. OK, so then she tells Maggie that there's a sale at the department store.

And why don't you go check it out? And Maggie, who probably makes 11 cents a week, is like, won't you go fuck yourself? Actually, because I have to go scrub shit in an Irish accent. Why don't you go fuck yourself. Thank you. Something like that. Thank you. Thank you. Jesus. Lizzie Borden telling me to go shopping. Grandma, grandma, my grandma came, I was just possessed by my psychic grandma. OK, Maggies like I actually still don't feel bad for mom.

We all got poisoned last week, so I'm going to go take a nap. And she goes up to her third floor, looked like an attic room, and she goes and takes a nap. So she's resting. And she then hears Lizzie screaming from downstairs. Maggie, come quick. Father's dead. Somebody came in and killed him.

Yeah, yeah. You say it all like that at once. When something like that. I hear it.

Yell it, Maggie, come quick. The father's dead. You know, somebody came in the front door. It was jammed earlier. We got it open. Remember them was sick last week. We all know we were poisoned, but we were all sick, remember? Anyway, somebody came in a stranger from not from Fall River, probably from another town. Come quick. My father died. Thank you. You know, there's a movie of this coming out.

There's a movie coming out with Chloe seven, I believe. I love her. It looks good. She can be creepy. Yes, she can and she will. She can do that stare.

Yes, she can. Oh yeah, it's already out. Is it out? There's a theater critic here. We have to leave this show and go watch it immediately.

OK, so Maggie comes down, she finds Andrew is slumped on the couch and he has 11 hatchet wounds to the face, into his face in the old face, 11.

That's 10 in a row. And then one for good measure. Shit out some anger. I'm not going to put up the picture. If you're a Georgia, then you're going to look a picture up after the show. I was horrified thinking about how to study that photo. It's not good.

But here's what's interesting. It looks like a man laying on a couch who's tried to be funny and just put a bunch of hamburger on his face.

That's essentially what it looks like. That's why I'm not showing it to you. So you can't be mad. I'm just giving I'm just painting a picture with words, and that's what I do for a living. OK, now here's what's interesting, when you look at that picture, that crime scene photo, you will see that Andrew Borden has his boots on.

So there's things things aren't adding up. Get your story straight, Lizzie. Yeah, that's really your name. Don't. Lizzie, Andrew, Lizzie, Andrew, get in here and get that story straight.

OK, so. There's details his nose was cut off entirely. You'd think so with 11. Yes. Yeah. So obviously there was even more screaming after the fact. And then Maggie runs to get a doctor, sadly and ironically.

Now, the neighbors who, of course, have heard intense blood curdling screams begin to gather at the house, which is what everybody used to love to do at crime scenes back in the day, just come in and start walking around. So Lizzie goes out and she starts telling all of them that Abby was out sick visiting a sick friend.

She basically keeps talking, explaining shit to everybody as her father is laying on the couch dead. She also mentions how the family had been poisoned the week before or that she thought their milk was poisoned, how they'd all gotten sick at the same time.

So the police, Maggie, finally brings the police back and they immediately suspect Lizzie because and this is a thing that that happens has happened a lot. They she's not acting like a daughter who's whose father has just been murdered with a hatchet.

She's very calm and cold and poised.

But maybe she was like that all the time. The other problem is that her story changes with every police person that she talks to. So first she said she was walking to the house and then she heard a noise. But then the next person she talks to, she says she came in, she didn't hear anything, and everything was normal until she found her father.

When she's asked where Abby is, she tells the police that she's gone to visit the sick friend. But then the next time she's asked, she changes her story and she says, oh, I think she's actually upstairs. Somebody could somebody go look like can you can you finally go find her? I'm sick of putting on this charade. Yes. So somebody else could you go look for the person I know for a fact is alive upstairs. So Maggie and a neighbor lady start to walk upstairs and they get like halfway up the stairs.

And when they get eye level with the ground, they can see into the guestroom and they see Abby laying dead in a pool of blood. So there was probably more screaming there.

Now, what's weird is even though they suspect her, the police do not check Lizzie's clothes or hands for blood. And she tells them that she needs to go lay down so they can't really they can only kind of glance into her room. She won't let them into her room at all to look around. And they're like, all right.

I guess that's just how it is. So they do search the rest of the house and in the basement, they find two hatchets, two axes and then a third hatchet head with a broken handle. They think the broken one might be the murder weapon because it looks like someone tried to add dust and dirt to the blade. So try to kind of cover it up. But still, they take nothing from the house. There's no evidence. There's no they're just like, OK, I'm going to take a picture with my mind.

Got it. Dirty hatchet. All right. See you guys later.

At one point, one of the officers sees Lizzie and her friend, Alice Russell, who lives in the neighborhood, go into the cellar together and they both leave the cellar. But then Lizzie goes into the house by herself and he thinks he sees her washing something. She's, like, bent over the sink, washing something he doesn't ask. He doesn't look.

They all leave and he's like, hey, I'm going to MYOB in this situation.

Two days later, the police, they begin a more thorough investigation. They just had to take a breather and think things through, really take some time for themselves. So they start looking at all the clothing and they start they inspect the hatchets and they tell Lizzie she is now officially a suspect. And at some point after this, Alice comes back over to the house and she finds Lizzie and Lizzie is in the backyard burning a dress. And when she's right.

Yeah. So she asked Lizzie what's going on? And Lizzie says, Oh, I got some paint on this dress so I can't wear it anymore.

So I'm just going to be cool about it. And I'm just. At Stays Stare Chloë seven. So Alice gets the creeps and leaves.

So on August eight, they take Lizzie and the police take Lizzie in for questioning. I don't know. They could have come to her house. I'm not sure if they had a police station or what the seller would they go somewhere?

They they take her in.

Conceptually, I don't know where she asked for attorney. They refuse, I guess that they could do that back then.

All the rules were different.

It was totally opposite year.

And at one point she freaks out so bad that she's they have to give her a shot of morphine Fundo.

So as you'd imagine, that has that affects her testimony. When they begin to question her, she can't really track what she's saying and she's contradicting herself and she's a little erratic, maybe kind of sleepy.

She says she was on the stairs then. She says she never went up the stairs. She says she took her father's boots off. They show her the crime scene photo where his boots are on. Eventually, the investigators discover that the day before the murders, Lizzie had tried to buy something called prussic acid, otherwise known as cyanide at the drug store in town.

But the clerk told her that she needed a prescription for my doctor says I need this all my bones. It was either back then, it was either of you had an illness or an ailment of any kind, you either got cyanide or cocaine. Those are your two choices. Sometimes you get them together and hello, fucking party speedball. OK, so there's a trial on August 11th. A warrant is served.

Lizzies arrested for the murder of her parents five days before the trial begins. That I find this to be so fascinating. I didn't know this before. Five days before the trial begins, there's another axe murderer in the area.

Yes. And that suspect goes to trial and is convicted.

But the police say that the man was not in the Falls River area at the time of the Borden double murder. Did I say falls fall?

Sorry, it's very late. So they say he's not around. But I just think that's the most. What is bizarre coincidence? Copycat.

Yeah, I don't know.

OK, so Lizzie Borden's trial begins June of 1893. Of course, it's a media sensation. They compare it now to like it was like the O.J. trial of the day. It's all anybody talked about. There were reporters in this tiny town from New York, from Boston, all these people packing the courtroom. And so the prosecution just brings the facts. Here's the broken hatchet head that was found in the basement. Alice Russell gets up, testifies about Lizzie burning the dress.

There's different. There's, you know, all the places Lizzie says she was brought up, all the all her conflicting stories. But Lizzie maintains that she was in the barn at the time of the attacks, a witness named Hyman Lubinsky says.

I mean, what can we do? It was the past, he says he saw Lizzie leave the barn at 11 00, three a.m. and Charles, the gardener, confirms it.

I guess he doesn't have a last name.

At 11 10, Lizzie called to Maggie downstairs or upstairs saying that her father had been killed. So they're trying to put the timeline together of where she actually was. And there was a lot of dramatics in the courtroom, of course. And at one point, when it is revealed that Abby and Andrews heads were removed for the autopsy, Lizzie faints dead away in the courtroom altogether. The trial last two weeks, which is actually really short. And then when the jury goes out, they're only out for one and a half hours and then they come back with the verdict and they find Lizzie Borden not guilty.

Why she's acquitted of this crime. It seems like a lot of people don't know.

But the jury found her not guilty.

So when she was leaving the courthouse, she told the press, I am the happiest woman. And she told them I'm the happiest woman in the world.

Can't you tell I'm smiling now, what's crazy is because of the wonderful children's rhyme that we all learned and the legend, Lizzie remained the prime suspect in everyone's mind basically to this day. And she's been memorialized basically as an axe murderer. And why do people believe so strongly that she did it?

There's lots of theories and there was lots of kind of good reasoning. First of all, it's all the personal elements of the murders that, you know, a hatchet to the face, to the head. It's obvious somebody to have a lot of rage and wanted revenge or, you know, the attack was personal theorizing. So obviously she could have done it for the money. She had a lot. She stood to inherit a ton of money from her father.

And clearly, if he was like passing out the millions to his new wife, then then that meant her inheritance was getting smaller. There was also a theory she was being physically and sexually abused by her father, which would then track with the viciousness of the attack. There was also a rumor that Lizzie was having a tryst with Maggie, the Irish maid.

And that's right. And then and because of that, Andrew and Abbey or one or the other were witness to that and they had to get rid of the witnesses. But none of those are proven to be true. That's just all theory and or gossip around the town.

So the Borden sisters get their inheritance because she Lizzie's acquitted. And after the trial, they buy a huge modern house on in the hill neighborhood of Fall River and name it.

Fuck you, Dad. She's a fuck you dad manor. They they hire a full staff. Wow. They just, like, live large up in their manor house. Lizzie begins calling herself Lizabeth. Oh, like a college sophomore that goes to France for one semester. But everyone's in towns like your fuckin Lizzie Borden and you killed your father with 40 whacks of an ax, so get the fuck out of my gun.

So she is ostracized by society. And then in 1985, her and her sister Emma get into a fight and Emma moves out of their mansion on the hill and the sisters never see each other again. Yeah. So Lizzie Borden died of pneumonia on June 1st, 1927, at the age of 74. And only a couple people attended her funeral. Her sister, Emma, died nine days later. Oh, yeah, that's on there. Buried next to each other now in Oak Grove Cemetery.

And that is the legend of Lizzie Borden. For more accurate information, you can also watch the Christina Ricci series that was on. Pretty good.

Christina Ricci has a really creepy, like stare at forehead as well. She works that. She can work that costume. Sure. That part from the little bangs. That's someone who can work the part down the middle. That's right. OK, that was incredible.

Great job. Thanks so much. Thank you so much. You don't do you not think she did it? Like, I kind of don't care, but I like the rhyme. I think it would make sense. It's such it seems like it was such an oppressive household. Like to have a father who has millions of dollars and won't get fucking electricity. Like just as someone who's my father would not buy us Atari when we were growing up and we weren't poor, he just wouldn't do it like on principle.

And then finally one Christmas, he got us a used pung like machine, which is an Atari.

Kids know Pong is like caveman. Atari Pong is just tennis. It's it's lines. It's like two L's playing a game against each other.

It was so long after that one, right? Yeah. Yeah. And we were just like, why?

Like, what do we ever do to you? So imagine electricity. Imagine now knowing how mad I was about the pong.

This seems like it's very, very possible. And also just there's things there's things about it like the fact that everybody got sick. I think maybe she was trying out a couple of things and maybe that fight, there was just things building. I also think back then women just didn't. It was like she didn't get married. You know, she was a Sunday school teacher. Just all of her life was really oppressive, obviously very dedicated to the family.

So it's just like she went off.

She just snapped. It seems like maybe or maybe she's just a victim because she just doesn't react to anything and people hate that.

Yeah, well, and that's our take. That's the part of the podcast called. And that's our our take is we don't know. Our take is I'm sure someone wrote a great book that's going to explain exactly why it's one way or the other.

But I didn't read it. This I'm going to do the Eastern Airlines hijacking of Flight 13 20. Whoa, you know, I love a fucking crazy ass hijack. Hell, yeah. All right.

OK, clear it here.

We warm up that instrument. So let me just give you some an overview. Please do a history. When the government started to oversee aviation in 1958, hijacking wasn't a crime. Yet in the early airports were designed in a way that made it so you could just go on in and bring whatever you want on board.

You just walked right through on the tarmac and on the plane. You didn't even fucking buy a ticket. You didn't have to put your cigarette out. No, they were like, please smoke on the plane. It helps it right up in the air. What do you mean you didn't buy a ticket?

You get you get on like a train. You get on the plane and then they're like tickets, tickets. And you go and you pay for your ticket from your fucking seat. I swear. I swear, I, I swear I read this. I don't know. It's true on the Internet. It's true on the Internet. Isn't that insane. Yeah, that's crazy. So the. Yeah.

So the the stewardess they're called at the time which is fucking outdated term we all know.

Good catch. You just think you so you would just go and they give you a ticket. No ID, nothing like that. You just paid for your ticket and they were like great. And highjacking wasn't considered a serious threat by the airlines or the passengers. So it started happening and it was almost like a prank, like it was basically like when the dude who would like the streaker who would run on the fucking field, it was like that guy, you're slowing the game down, but you're funny, like the stop is.

So it would just be people who wanted to go places and they would hijack the plane and just be like, take me to Cuba was a normal thing and they would take them there and everything would be fine. Like so were from to really from. OK, all right. I don't know anywhere. It was it was kind of seen as an inconvenience more than anything else. They would be like, oh, great, we're going to Cuba.

OK, honey, we got hijacked. I want to be like three hours. Exactly. And there was actually an Italian American dude who hijacked a plane from Los Angeles. He made them take him to Rome. When he arrived, he was hailed as a hero by all the Italians. They refused to extradite him. Yes, because I like this fucking guy. And he was also incredibly hot. So they fucking cast him in a spaghetti Western. Like, that's how Highjacking was.

Yeah. Yeah. So it wasn't no one gave a shit what movie? It's like Clint Eastwood, how Clint Eastwood got his start. There's a 99 percent invisible podcast episode about hijacking that talks about this stuff.

Eventually, the hijackers start to become more like classic kidnappers demanding ransom. So they were like, we better do something about this. So in nineteen sixty eight, the FAA created an anti hijacking tax task force to come up with solutions because the airlines were like, we don't want to spend all this money. It's going to cost so much money to check people, make sure their hijackers are not. So let's all think of a better solution. And they were like, hey, the public, feel free to fucking throw in your suggestions as well.

Oh, really? They were like, we want to hear it.

They took they took calls. They took calls. They came up with shit like, what if we do a fake airport that we pretend is Cuba, but it's really here in Florida. And then we arrest and when they get out, they're like too expensive, perfect. Then someone was like, how about an injector seat for the hijackers? Yeah, not fucking kidding. Or a seat where, like, you get a shot of, like morphine comes up and shoots the hijacker with sleeping pills and shit.

Was this these are all the ideas from a fifth grade classroom.

That's right. Spider-Man, Spider-Man. No, that.

OK, so then none of those worked and. Yeah, they did. Oh so one flight was hijacked in nineteen sixty nine. And this is how little people, how not seriously people took it in nineteen sixty nine.

It was hijacked from Newark to Miami. And this is, there's an episode of Radiolab that talks about this, the host of the show Candid Camera. You guys know that popular show Alan Funt was on board with his family.

The fucking the plane gets legit hijacked. And when the passengers see Alan fun like that, everyone and they're like, this is a prank show. And even when the hijackers come out of the cockpit, they all applaud. They're going to act like you can't Alan Bond, like, I swear to fucking God, this is not a prank. He's the only giving his wife and kid are the only ones who know it's not a prank. That's and the hijackers.

That's OK.

First of all, how fucking hilariously frustrating for those hijackers were that. Yeah. Everybody good, Joe. And they're like, fuck, yeah, you owe me, I recognize you. It's a great episode of Real called Smile My Ass is the it's really funny. That's so good, right? And so it wasn't until the plane actually landed in Havana instead of Florida. And the fucking plane is surrounded by Cuban military officers that people finally believed it was, which is like if something like that is happening, I want to believe it's a joke until it's not anymore.

Yeah, you know what I mean. Like, what a great way. Yes. Like, you mean like when we're flying here today and the plane just went like this real quick.

It went up and I was fucking studying this and I couldn't tell you that I could, you know, I was like, yeah, it was scary because I'm studying hijacking right now.

Oh, that's all it was. It was scary, but it was scary in that way. Where I went, like, everybody went like that. And then but then it was just completely normal, as if it didn't happen. And then I was just like, please don't have a panic attack. I was like begging my brain, like, just stay in this mode right now and don't just don't think about how that felt. Well, it was what I do every time, and I'm sure everyone else does is look at the flight attendant.

Is she cool? She's cool. Cool. OK, then everything. If she's going like this, then I'm like going to have a panic attack. If she's still getting like cups and she did not miss a beat, she was just like, whatever. Yeah.

Got these assholes out of here. So OK, so this is what hijackings were like in and that's how things stood on March 17th, 1970, St. Patrick's Day, your favorite holiday, everyone here, Boston.

So that's when March 17th, 1970, when the first death caused by air piracy in U.S. history took place in Massachusetts airspace. Wow. Yeah. So here we are. OK, so seven thirty p.m. Eastern Airlines flight, a flight bound for Boston from Newark, New Jersey, takes off with sixty eight passengers.

New work I have to burp. Excuse me. Shit. Edit that out of your brains, please. So it's sixty eight passengers and five crew members are aboard.

Everything is totally normal until shortly after takeoff. They're passing over Franklin and when about thirty miles south of Logan Airport, when the flight attendant comes around to collect the ticket money, you want to buy a ticket for this plane you're already on?

Yeah, exactly. What happens when you're like, I don't have any money? Well, well, then you better go smoke in the bathroom.

I guess she gets to a man named John Jay DeVivo DeVivo excuse me.

He tells the flight attendant that he doesn't have any money for the fifteen dollar seventy five cent ticket.

Wow. How long ago? Seventy. I don't have today's money.

How much that is, but I'm sure it's not that seven hundred dollars it would cost today. I was going to say huh. I started saying 700 dollars. Oh my God. Hi. Hey. He says I don't have the money and asked to speak to the pilot and then pulls out a 38 caliber revolver.

Dang, he said.

John to Vovo is a twenty seven year old who lives with his family in New Jersey when he was six years old. Eleven years before he had shot himself in the head in a suicide attempt. He survived, but the bullet remained lodged in his skull and as a result, his behavior had become more and more erratic over time.

I bet it's a fucking happens eventually leading up to this hijacking. Eleven years later, and he boarded the plane wearing a chain neck necklace with a skull and bones amulet on it. Cool. Which I'm sure like half the people here are wearing. But back then it was fucking weird.

The flight attendant brings this guy, John, to video to the cockpit, which was being manned by Captain John Robert Wilbur Junior. He's thirty five years old. He's an Air Force pilot who had only been promoted to captain six months prior.

He and he is with his co-pilot, first officer James Hartley, who's thirty.

The captain Wilbur calmly says to the flight attendant, OK, please let all the passengers know everything is fine and nothing is wrong.

Put on your flight attendant face. Yes. And so she goes back and then the captain and his co-pilot, they expect Devo to demand to be taken to Cuba because that was like where everyone wanted to go at the time when they hijacked a plane.

But instead, the video tells the captain to fly east until they run out of gas. Yeah, that's a bad fucking plan. No, it's bad after they're like, great, we'll do it.

But after about fifteen minutes, the captain said I told him that they'd crash into the. If they didn't return to Boston for fuel, so they because they had been on their final approach for landing at the moment, they didn't have a lot of gas, fuel, gas.

I'm sure it's just unleaded, right? Yeah. So, DeVivo, he says, he says, OK, do the refueling trip, but as soon as the plane starts to turn, he gets spooked somehow and he abruptly shoots Officer Hartly in the chest. Oh, shit. And shoots Captain Wilbur twice. One in each arm.

I know. No, it's bananas. Those are his steering arm. I know. The crucial to flying a plane ride, Officer Hartley collapses, but despite being he's the one who got shot in the chest, despite being mortally wounded, he fucking recovers enough to rip the gun from Davos hand fucking shoot him three times. Sorry, this is a lot of gunfire for a plane that's still in the air and then he lapses into unconsciousness and dies. Oh, shit.

What how have we never heard about. I mean, what a way to go out to your.

It's like, fuck you, he fucking. Yes, he was wounded. He slumps between the seats, but he's able he's able to fuck. And this is like a magic plane. He's able to fucking revive himself. He starts he does have a gun anymore, but he starts clawing at Captain Wilbur, attempting to grab the fucking steering wheel and force it to crash fucking this. OK, but let's take a break for a second. Yes, please hold your breath, everyone.

Meanwhile. Does anyone want a snack? Cigarette? How about a cigarette? Snacks. Snacks? Oh, yes. Meanwhile, back in the plane, this this passenger, Peggy McGlocklin, she's a 19 year old Boston College student at the time.

Yeah, so she's not fucking around. She says that they were only dimly aware of the life or death battle going on in the cabin, that the passengers didn't even know what was going on. They heard a commotion. Someone said it sounded like a like a like a fake gun. Pop Apopka. Sure, Captain. I think I don't think they didn't know what was going on. They didn't realize they were in the midst of an attempted hijacking until the shots rang out.

And that's when they heard that some people dove from their seats to the floor and that the flight they realized the flight had veered off course because they found themselves flying over the back bay. Peggy thought they were going to land in the harbor. So she fucking starts taking her boots off, like, ready to fucking swim.

Always ready that, Peggy. That's right. And, you know, there's probably some hot, like, sexy 1970s boots. And then she's like, I might as well change in my suit while we're doing this. It's basically. Yeah. So meanwhile, let's go back to the cockpit. So so, Wilbur, Captain Wilbur, he he's fighting with fucking Devo.

He grabs the gun that had fallen to the ground. It's to do with a fucking head with it subduing him, beats him with the pistol while continuing to fly the fucking plane. And those are those are bullett arms fucking on. Both of his arms are shot. Then Captain Wilbur radios the tower and says, my co-pilot is shot. Where the hell do you want me to put this thing? So hot, so hot, so hard, he doesn't even mention that he shot at all.

He why he does so.

So now the video is unconscious and despite being shot in both fucking arms, being bleeding badly, Captain Zilber is able to right the plane because it had plunged during the struggle, you know, and then safely lands safely and smoothly lands the fucking aircraft.

They can't do that sometimes when we're just coming in. Yeah. And everything is fine. Yeah. And smoothly at Logan, he fucking lands that thing.

Yes, he does. Bananas, the entire event took place in only only 10 to 15 miles away from Logan International Airport at an altitude at between three and five thousand feet, though nothing.

No, it is night once the plane safely on the ground, if it was arrested and charged with murder, he sent to Bridgewater State Hospital for a mental evaluation. You can you can cheer for Bridgewater State on its.

We have a whole group from there tonight. Great welcome. He's taken for a mental evaluation, but basically they like fuck the shit and he's taken to Suffolk County Jail at Charles Street.

And they're no trial would take place, though, because on Halloween 1970, while awaiting trial for air piracy and murder, DeVivo hangs himself in a cell.

Peggy McGlaughlin, our 19 year old booted girl, please tell me she marries the cat. I don't know if they'll be so cute hanging. Oh, she will make it that way in the movie. Yeah, she's played by Chloe. Seven years. She becomes a librarian and a yoga instructor. Amazing.

And she doesn't fucking talk about this for decades like it was a time period where they were like you. Good, great. You don't need therapy then. Goodbye. That's it. Don't talk about it ever again. Best if you don't tell anyone, right? Yeah. She said one time the FBI stopped by after to ask her questions about it and then she never fucking spoke about it again until when Captain Sully landed the the the not the boat.

It was kind of Wabo. Yeah. But at first it was a plane and landed in the Hudson and then she's like, you know what, I have a story to tell, so. Oh, you like landing planes in an emergency? I got a story. Great. But she says that the memory had never left her.

Of course. Yeah. So James Hartley and Captain Wilbur proclaimed Heroes. And on March 24th, 1970, the U.S. Senate passed a resolution that commended them both for their, quote, extraordinary heroism and competence. Now, retired Captain Robert Wilbur, the captain, says the captain captain brought the captain. I wrote. He says he doesn't think about it that often. But Peggy eventually wrote a letter to him, thanking him for saving her life.

He and I fell in love. No, no, Wilbur. Captain Wilbur insisted that he was just doing his his job and that James Hartley was the hero and that two guys is the Eastern Airlines hijacking of Flight Thirteen. Wow, that was amazing. How crazy is that? It was amazing. It's like, isn't that long. I just hate when I find out how much how many things I don't know. I know there's just so many things in that story where I'm like, wait, what's what's not crazy?

Like a train. You just get on and you pay while you're on the plane. Stupid. 1970 there was on a plane, the plane that we flew out here on. I went into the bathroom and they had a an ashtray on the door. It's so scary when that happens. It's so scary. You're like, how fucking old is this room?

It happens. It's we go on a lot of planes and the majority of them still have ashtrays. Yeah. And that we're here tonight to petition. We need to start recycling those fucking things out for that to stop or let's just start smoking on planes again. But I don't want to. Yeah, it's terrifying. It's insane.

Do we have a home to do actually. Thank you. Let me pick my various undergarments out of the places they're not supposed to be standing up. All right, Karen, some some towels. And I think it's really important that you listen to me right now because there are people I say this part and people do not listen. They don't. And then they get picked and then they do a thing that I ask them not to do. And everyone in the room doesn't like them because of that.

And it's not good. So listen to what I'm telling you right now.

When we do hometown murders and we're in the city, we like it when it's a local story. So the state the state is good, locals good. We love accents. We want to hear something from what happened around here that would be great. Also, of course, I think you guys know this. It's good if you're not so drunk, you can't follow your own line of logic like the top to rule. It's pretty important. It's very nerve wracking to be up here.

Once you get up here, there's like a you think you're fine at first and this wave hits you, then your mind goes blank. You start remembering weird shit you did in high school. There's a whole there's a whole experience to it. So you might think you have it in the pocket. Just make sure it's good when your story has a beginning, a middle and an end for sure. Usually it's good when the the end pays off. So like our last hometown was amazing because it had this awesome ending.

So that's I always recommend that. And then finally, it's just remember, everyone in the room hates you because you got pissed.

So make it quick. All right. And now George is going to pay you, I think you want me to do I want Karen to do it because they get you guys get this face and it hurts me in my soul and she can't see anything. You know, you do it. You look at them too much. It's more of a psychic. It's an Italian psychic grandmother thing. Show me how you have to do. Show me how it's done.

Could you bring the lights up a little bit? If it's possible? We'll just look at that. You can't do it. Rich bitches in the balcony. It's crazy fucking fools. Yeah, come on, is it this way? Yeah, this is right there. Yeah, walk over here. I mean, I like your spirit and everything is nice. Do you think you are just going to jump down? The thing is, we called you we called the balcony, Richard, the last show.

So you just got courage, beti. What's your name? Ben, thank you. Come on, I come here. What's your name? Here's a microphone. This is Tabi, everybody. For Bob's Burgers. That's my guys. Where are you from? I'm New Bedford, OK, right here. Hey, check, check. OK, so this is like still an ongoing thing that's going on.

But this is the murder of. She and she is the first person that was murdered this year in New Bedford. Wow. Yeah, the case is still going, but on January 22nd, around 2:00 a.m., she was found outside of her home screaming she wasn't dead yet. And we're not laughing about that part. Yeah, no more nervousness and stuff like that. She was stabbed multiple times. It actually ended up being over forty nine times.

Right by her neighbor because her neighbor didn't like how loud she played her music or her dog.

She had like an emotional support dog that was like small and yappy named Lolita, and it was too loud. So he decided to stab her. Jesus. Yeah. Superbad. And they texted each other like days before and they actually like, use the texts as evidence and stuff. And they talked about how, like, they are going to beat her up and stick his like pit bulls apparently on her. But both her and her dog were stabbed and she unfortunately did not make it.

But her dog did survive for so. Malia lives tabi, everybody. Great job, great job that way. Thank you. Oh, my God, you guys, these two shows have been unbelievable, unbelievable. I truly think this has been the least drunk crown jewel that we've ever had. Incredible. Well, you know what it is? It feels like everyone's been listening intently, like just right there listening. It's such a great feeling. We are not you know, it's not like you guys have a bad reputation or anything like that or Brooklyn last night with canned wine.

So that might have been our own fault. But you guys, this is two shows have been so much fun, the fact that we sold out three fucking show shows. Thank you so, so much for supporting us. We're so frickin lucky to be here and to be part of this. We're ready every time the ticket sales start and then people start tweeting us with insanely angry messages about how they didn't get tickets and what we need to do about it.

We really take it as a huge compliment because our this is a very this thing that's happening with this podcast is just very rare and it's very, very special. You guys have started your own community. You're connecting with each other.

It's just it's incredible. And we're really honored to be doing this with you.

It's you know, it's really a beautiful thing to see. And we really, really appreciate it. We hope, you know, that we're so, so grateful that we get to be here with you. It's really. Ah. Thank you. Yes. So, Boston, stay sexy and.