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Would you like to loosen the clap? Yes, thank you, Stephen. But everybody, one, two, three.

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OK, we've done it.

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OK. Hello and welcome to my favorite murder, the livestream MINURSO happening. This is real, we're alive. I can't believe this.

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This is so weird because it doesn't because we can't see everyone. So we don't know that we're live, but I can feel it in my bones. George is licking herself behind you, is she?

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Oh, George. My three legged George.

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She has to get on camera. Oh, yeah, that's right. She never lays there. That's open. Welcome, everybody. We're so excited to be here with you. This is our first ever live stream.

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And I think it shows and you don't know that. It's just you can tell that we get thoroughly edited it all the time. That's the truth of it. Should we just get into many, many stories? Let's do the mini. So what do we usually say? Hey, Karen, you wanna go first? These are the emails that you send us. All right.

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We read you your thing. Get it, you get it and you all go for it. OK, Dorje, please don't be vulgar. Please. I just see Refreeze and she froze Midlake and now she's ashame. OK, this the subject line of this first email just says hometown story. Hi ladies. Excuse me. Hello ladies. I've never felt like I had a juicy story to send in, but when I heard you talking about murder on Myrtle Beach, I knew it was my time to shine.

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I grew up in Madison, Connecticut, where murder on Myrtle Beach takes place. And boy, oh, boy, do we love our secrets here. Madison is the type of wealthy, small town that loves to paint itself as perfect and quaint, when in reality it is far from that. With only sixteen thousand residents, everyone seems to know everyone here and rumors spread quickly. I thought this email, I would do something a little different and share Madison's dirty little secret with you.

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Yes. Tell us your town's dirty secrets. What a start to a string of for starting with gossip. It's getting good.

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This is the thing I miss most in quarantine.

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Just gossiping straight up like news about other people's lives that you get when you see your friends.

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Totally tell me this will this will hold us over. OK, ok. I'll start with the cops and Madison because they truly are something else. First, there were the Madison police officers who were caught meeting sex workers behind the middle school.

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Perfect place, mom. Then there was the cop who stole almost a thousand dollars worth of lobster from a local seafood restaurant. All at once or little by little. I'd like to know.

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It's a great question to catch. You did this. The police department set up cameras at the restaurant, even though this cop, all caps knew that the cameras had been set up. He still went back and stole more lobsters, eventually leading to him being caught.

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And then you have the cop that was caught using the police database to look up the women he was dating. It's all very classy. We also had a weird middle school science teacher who was, quote, asked to leave for looking down girls shirts and having emotional outbursts in class. About two years after he left the school, we saw this man in the news because he had attempted to rape and strangle a woman in a park bathroom. Holy shit. Another fun teacher we had was my freshman high school English teacher.

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As we were studying Romeo and Juliet, this woman was creating a forbidden love story of her own by sending nude photographs to a student in the class.

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May I remind you, we were fifteen at the time. His friend heard about this and confronted her and to keep him quiet. She did him some favors and gave him hush money. Eventually, these students went to the police and she was arrested. Her husband was another English teacher at the school and he even wrote a book about the whole experience, which is very cringe to read.

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It's very cringe you to read right now. And finally, the murder on Myrtle Beach. The story has been weirdly brushed under the rug for a long time since this literally is my hometown murder. I always wanted to write in about it, but there's just not that much information out there. I think the lack of police work done on this case has really contributed to it being sort of forgotten. Barbara Hamburg was really a part of the community, though many of my brother's friends knew the family and Barber even tried to get a friend's aunt into the pyramid scheme that she was a part of.

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I'm glad to see the show is bringing needed attention to the case and hopefully it will lead to some closure for the family. There's more crazy things that have happened in Madison, like an escaped convict running around the woods on or a murder suicide, but there's just not enough time to cover it all. Overall, you were both very accurate in your description of Connecticut life. It is pretty extreme and we do love to keep our secrets hidden behind closed doors.

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Thank you for creating such a great community of murdering those, Olivia.

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Yeah. Oh, my God. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do like if you have a town that has a ton of secrets, but like, you know, no hometown, just send those. And those are fun. Yeah. Only don't use it as a creative writing experience because there's really no way for us to to kind of crosscheck secrets.

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Oh right. We had in my town when I was in high school, the there was two English teachers married and it came out that the dude had been assaulting a student while I was doing just like that. Just like the one I just read. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All right. Mine's called the first and last time I picked up a hitchhiker. Mm hmm. Hello. All in the late summer of 2012, I was 19 and had recently broken up with a boyfriend for cheating on me with my best friend.

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I dumped her ass, too. Don't worry, anyways.

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And this weird post breakup riding the high of my own indignity period of my life, I made some questionable choices. Picking up a hitchhiker was one of them. Oh, I had just finished dinner with a friend in Los Gatos, which is near where. Right. Oh yeah.

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Yeah, it's it's Northbourne. What did she say? Or it's Bay Area. It means the cat's and nothing. Just go ahead.

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I'm showing off for the live stream and I was walking back to my car when an older, down-and-out looking woman asked if I could give her a ride feeling like nothing bad could happen to me in this Bujji town and genuinely wanting to help, I said yes.

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Then she asked if I could drive her to the Redwood Estates, which is a trailer park off Highway 17 in the Santa Cruz Mountains. This was long before I had heard of that camper, but I still knew that there was no fucking way I was going to drive this random lady out there.

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So then she asked if I could drive her to her father's friend's place about fifteen minutes away. OK, that seemed more reasonable. As I turned to get in my car, she said, Wait, let me get my bag first. She then walks over to some hedges and pulls out a comically large black duffel bag.

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So we get in the car and she sits in the back seat directly behind me.

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I start driving and we tried to make small talk and I asked her what was in her bag.

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That's not small talk without batting an eye, she replies.

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Dolz Oh fuck. I seriously regretted this decision, but I didn't feel like I could change my mind at this point. Oh, I reply, trying not act like trying not to act like that was the absolute creepiest thing she could have said. Hitchhiker lady then went on to say how they were gifts for her granddaughters and how excited she was to give them to them, thinking things were on a more normal track. I asked her what her granddaughter's names were.

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Her mood instantly shifted and she replied coldly, None of your business.

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Oh, fucking hey lady. We get to the apartment building and she asked to use my phone because my shit you not. It would be rude to show up at someone's house without calling first. But apparently shanghaiing a teenager and her car was totally acceptable. No one answered. So what would any sane person do? Probably not what I did, which was to drive this lady all over Santa Clara County for two hours.

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What in that time she probably made about fifty calls on my phone. I don't think anyone answered a single one to this day. I wonder if they were actual phone numbers. I was too scared to try any. By the end of the two hour excursion, my fear had worn off and I was replaced by complete apathy. I didn't care if I died anymore. I was already in hell. I finally pulled it to a bus stop and told her to get out.

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I didn't tell anyone what happened until about six months afterwards, partly out of embarrassment and partly because I didn't want to reflect on what could have happened. Stay sexy and don't pick up hitchhikers.

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Emma, Emma, first of all, thank you for sharing one of the more horrifying hitchhiker stories.

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But the idea that you went through a bad breakup, a horrible breakup and then started making bad decisions and one of them was picking up, picking up hitchhikers, it's like what happened to the peppermint schnapps area that you are supposed to live in for a while.

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Like some would say, that's better or worse.

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Some would say some might. They would and they might.

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And they probably will say it again, the idea that she had dolls hidden in the bushes and a gigantic duffel bag, words like how many granddaughters? I would have immediately said, how many granddaughters do you. Yes. And the answer zero. I think we all know truly. Yeah. There were no granddaughters. There were no dolls. Every time Emma looked away from, like the rearview mirror, that woman held up like a hacksaw and then she would put it down.

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Really, this is when I'm writing in my movie about as experience. OK, this one also is the subject line of hometown story, greeting ladies, fuzzy friends and male associates. That's good. My hometown is for me and is from me and my. Hometown for Toronto, my hometown is from me and my hometown for Toronto, but does that make sense?

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Not yet. Not unless it's actually killed.

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It's her murder. It's from. Let me just try one more time, OK? My hometown is from me and my hometown for Toronto, but it also involved my lovely boss. My bad ass boss is Dr. Sasha Reid. She is a psychology researcher who studies violent crimes, but more specifically, serial killers and their behaviors. Let me tell you, this woman is the coolest person I've ever met. She's also a person who local police should have listened to when she said a serial killer was behind the missing.

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Men in the Toronto gay village are named for the area where a lot of LGBTQ people and clubs are. A few years ago, Toronto was struck over the course of several years by the sudden disappearances of men from the gay village in the city. Dr. Reid at the time advised the police that it was likely the work of a serial killer. The police already did not appear to be taking the disappearance as seriously as the men were presumed to be mostly gay and people of color.

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The fact that it could be a serial killer made a lot of people think of how blowsy the police are in most cases involving possie and the LGBTQ community. Anyways, after Dr. Reid had tried to advise the police, there wasn't much she could do besides wait until they asked for her help or found the person behind the crimes. Months later, Bruce MacArthur was arrested while trying to tie up and eventually torture and kill a man in his home. The police had traced the disappearances back to MacArthur, who had been meeting and then murdering the missing men under the guise of a one night stand.

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Here's a wild part. He worked as a landscaper and would bury the bodies in the large plant potters that would serve as decorations in the locations he worked. He was eventually sentence and is now serving time. And Dr. Reid is continuing to be a bad, bad ass and studies serial crime and then parentheses. See her in the Unabomber doc on Netflix. Sorry for the length that was not long. Stay sexy and don't get your landscaping done by a serial killer, Mirali.

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And that's actually if you guys haven't listened to it already, there's a it's a Canadian podcast undercover called The Village. That is, I think, either six or eight, maybe longer episodes that goes into this case in detail. It's harrowing and it's really good and really awful.

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So tragic. That's just awful. It went on for years. I mean, it's insane. Yeah.

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Listen to female therapists. Psychologists, please write about what she was what's her name?

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The the doctor. Her doctor. Her name was Dr. Satcher. Read a psychology researcher who studies violent crimes. Yeah. OK, I'm not going to read you the title of this one. Hello. All my dad and his buddy from Nam and then says, yes, as in Vietnam, my dad was in his fifties when I was born. We're driving through Utah. So my dad and his buddy were driving through Utah to go buy some car to flip in Idaho.

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They were pulled over for excessive speeding and were brought in. I think there's more to it, but I don't have the resources to figure it out.

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But but well, let's start a fund. Let's get to the reserves. But while I was at the station, the police department offered to clear their ticket and pay them fifty dollars a person if they stood in the lineup. My father obviously agreed. Then it says fifty dollars the nineteen seventies, despite possibly being pointed out because they could have been.

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Oh yeah that's right. I didn't think of that either. Oh yeah. I didn't do anything. I'll do it. And so did his friend and so off they went. He said at the time I only noticed how cramped it was but no skin off my back really. I was still having nightmares and hitting the bottle. I think she means numb. My dad didn't find out the truth until an rule published her book and and my mom read it.

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So the title was My Dad Was In a lineup with Bundy.

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Oh, and I know everyone has everyone's parents have Bundy stories, but this one is just like fucking bananas. And this is a good letter. So my dad tried to keep the book a secret from me. Right. But I have ADHD, so that didn't work.

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That's a superpower. I can do anything. I can try to hide something from you. At the age of eight, I skipped directly to the photos in the middle section and was schook to see that my dad and Uncle Bob were standing shoulder to shoulder like in a line up from cops. And I used to watch cops and Jay Leno with my dad from the age of three. So I was anxiously aware of crime. I was curious as to why some man was sandwiched between my dad and his friend.

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I showed it to my mom, who froze before getting angry that I found it. My dad turned almost greenish when he overheard us. I asked him for literally weeks before he told me why he was in the photo.

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He explained who the man was and what type of murders he committed to an eight year old. Yes, I was horrified and disgustingly fascinated. He had no idea Ted Bundy was a killer. He apparently he apparently seemed all-American and his cologne smelled nice. Oh, once my dad learned the truth, he said that he came very close to shitting his pants.

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He never told me anything else about it.

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And my dad died when I was 17. His friend is still alive. But when said friend was trying to flirt with my mom, my dad's widow at the wake for my dad, I chased him with a serving ladle from the buffet until he left our packed house. Good. And then it says, Oh, prie covid times I might reach out to him now that I'm much older to get his perspective. But now I understand why my dad thought it was OK for me to watch True Crime television shows.

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He wanted me to stay safe from monsters like Ted Bundy because you won't know a monster from a man until it's too late.

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Well, that and I was almost abducted at the age of nine.

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SDM, Johnny, Elizabeth Winmar, Johnny, Elizabeth, Johnny, Elizabeth.

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You're now a you nailed it. But how dare you put a cliffhanger at the end of your emails. Just leave. We're gonna need a follow up, please. You're going to have to come back. That's true. Well, yeah, OK. I won't read you the subject line of this last one. Hello to the best murder trainers out there.

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Oh, in 1980, I was a 15 year old waitress at a popular local restaurant in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. It was my first job ever.

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The uniform then for the restaurant was a stunning and quotes Kelly Green and white pinstriped polyester mini dress sported by nude colored pantyhose and white nurse granny shoes that needed to be prepped before every shift with white shoe polish. Got to love the 80s.

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This is important, I promise, because I was only fifteen and lived a couple of towns over in Cumberland. If I couldn't get a ride to work from someone, I had to take public transit to and from work. After one such shift on a hot, hazy, humid August afternoon, I needed to get a bus home and was waiting at the stop across the street from the restaurant and trying not to melt. There were a group of us waiting when a huge Cadillac Coupe Deville pulled up.

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Disco music blaring. The car door opened and out came a tall man in a pink yes pink polyester suit and his huge hat with feathers on one side. He walked up to me and started saying that he wanted me to go for a ride with him and began pulling me towards his car, saying that I was pretty and he liked my look.

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I got nope. Remember the uniform. The only thing worse than that uniform would be pretty much nothing. Plus, there was no way anyone in their right mind would think that my scrawny eighty five pound ass was anything but pitiful looking, pitiful looking, especially wearing that ugly uniform full of ice cream and sweat stains. The bus arrived amidst all the confusion, and a woman came flying out of it, hating the man as he was grabbing me to try to force me into his car.

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Yes, in broad daylight with a crowd of people who saw and heard what was happening and stood by doing nothing. This woman was older, short and stocky, with graying hair up in a bun. She came off the bus, hitting the man several times with her handbag. She grabbed me at the same time that she was opening a can of whip ass on him and yanked me onto the bus, muttering and swearing under her breath.

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The whole time, the pimp, let's call him Rooster, jumped back into his car and sped away, most likely cowering in defeat and humiliation. She just sat down in the front and didn't say a word for the entire bus ride. Actually, no one said a word. They just left me to sit in the back of the bus shaking and wondering what the fuck it just happened. Once the shock had worn off, I realized that I actually recognized the woman when I went home and told my parents what had happened.

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Needless to say, I had to take the bus to work again.

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Yeah, too bad for you. My mother called her friend to tell her that her mother saved my ass. She she called back the next day to say that she didn't even know that it was me. She just saw someone in need and became a grandma to the rescue. Stay sexy and never go against a grandma with a conscience, even against a pimp.

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Sharon Wow. She just did it.

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And then she was pissed she had to do it. That's the best. No, no, no, no. Not a word about it from. No, from anybody. That's a no no.

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That was suffered alone publicly.

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OK, I have one more. Right. Yeah, OK. Hi friends. This is from the fan called actually. So maybe Rachel is watching right now. Oh my God.

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Rachel, can you see this?

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Is there a Rachel here. OK, hi friends. I work in audiobook production and a few years ago we produced. Tom Hanks book of short stories, of course, he read it himself, but mostly in L.A. and I was in NYC, so I was bummed I couldn't work my way into those recording sessions. Turns out that when it came time to do pickups, he was in New York and my incredible boss who was producing the program, let me join her.

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He is exactly as kind professional and down to earth as you'd imagine. So when I took to when they took a lunch break, he joined us. Fucking classy, right?

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Yeah. And the director and his assistant at a table for sandwiches and some diet, Dr. Pepper. And it says in parenthesis, oh, my God, we have the same favorite soda he asked for. He asked how the audio book was coming together as a whole since he had been recording its story by story. My boss kindly directed everyone's attention to me saying, Rachel, listen to the whole rough cut this weekend. Tom Hanks, sitting across from me, looking directly at me, asks, Oh, what did you think?

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I was so flustered, I blurted out, It's great. I couldn't stop listening to it. So now I'm behind on all my murder podcasts. Cue everyone in the room. Chuckling Tom Hanks laughing with a look of curiosity on his face. Murder podcast's. What are they like? Like one whole podcast dedicated to one story or each episode is different.

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A different murder me in my head thinking, stop talking, stop talking. What are you doing? Says, Well, it depends.

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Most of them like my favorite murder, she said in order to Tom Hanks covers different stories each week.

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But if it's a heavy hitter like, say, Damer, some podcasts will spread it out over a few episodes. Literally, everyone in the room is laughing, including Tom Hanks. But in my amused, no one has ever said these words. But in a bit, in an amused. No one has ever said these words to me kind of way. When I said the thing, though, his eyebrows shot up and said, whoa. So I beat Dombra this weekend.

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Amazing to think.

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I mean, at this point I'm also laughing and managed to say something along the lines of yep, quite an accomplishment that says this man has a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

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My boss and I still love telling that story.

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I was so afraid she would be mad at me. But by that point she'd been working with him for a bit and assured me that, A, he genuinely loved that absurd comment. And B, I pretty much cemented myself in his memory because it's doubtful he'll ever get a compliment like that again. I have extreme social anxiety anyway. So having the full attention of Tom Hanks, along with everyone else in the room, short circuited my brain and I went into autopilot.

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And that is always and always has been.

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Just start talking about serial killers murdering out to my core. Sorry this is so long, but I was stoked to finally have something to write in. I've been listening since the very beginning and you guys have gotten me through all the times good, bad and socially awkward.

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I consider you too the big sisters I never had and always, always turn to your voices for comfort when anxiety strikes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Love to all and sundry at exactly right.

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And never forget to stay sexy. And don't ever stop talking about murder. Rachel Rachel.

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Tom Hanks has heard the name of our pug.

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Rachel represented it even under duress, even the hardest time. Yeah, she wrapped us. Thank you, Rachel. Thanks, Rachel. If we ever meet a celebrity, we're going to talk about you. A great idea. You write this.

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Let me write this name down super quick, just in case Rachel from the audio book comes.

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Should I try to get Elvis to do a live meow? We have to take some questions, George. Oh, yeah, OK.

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All right, Steve, I have the first question. Live question. Just sorry, because we're going to play this on Monday, as are many. So just audio only. So are the people that are just listening to this as a mini. So the people that are watching the livestream right now, which we can't see, but they have been asking questions. And so some questions have been chosen. And now we're going to answer some of those questions from the people that are watching us live right now.

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Yes, right. So the first question is from Kendall. And she says, what were some of the other names you had for the podcast in the beginning?

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Never. Right there was. It was literally let's do a podcast. What should it be about? What are we going to call it? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think I remember going to the bathroom in your old apartment and coming out and saying it and almost like not meaning it. I remember it was it was just kind of like, yeah. How about kind of putting it out there. I remember just exactly. Legally differently. Completely.

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We were at the one where we were the one to one cafe having lunch.

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I went to the bathroom and I came out and then you said it and it was, oh, I could have been maybe I'm just thinking about because I really loved that old bathroom and I was like those old tiles.

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But either way, it was not thoroughly vetted or thought through. No. Which is very much like the theme song which I picked up, played, did a recording of, sent it to Georgia. She's like, yeah, maybe. And then suddenly it just I don't ever remember us saying, we'll definitely do this.

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It just ended up being that I think I said, it sounds great, let's use it. But you had just been playing you had just been playing it as a like a like how does this something like this sound? And I'll make it actually do it recording. And it's like, this is it, let's do it. I think it was just like, let's just start, let's do it now or never get started. That's fine, that's fine.

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For the five hundred people are going to listen to it. No one's going to care. Let's fucking do it.

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Also in talking about this, it seems like all of this was twenty five years ago, which is the weirdest part. I'm just like but I remember I'm in a fog. So bizarre. Twenty five. Thank you, Kendall, for asking that question and thanks for watching the live stream. We appreciate it. Yeah. All right.

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The next question is also from Kendall. And she said the same Kendall.

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Yes, the very same. Is there only one person watches?

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Yes. Kendall the only one that's so embarrassing poorly.

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Katherine, what is your favorite thing about Georgia and vice versa?

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I'm sorry. Why does Kendall get to monopolize this conversation? That's insane.

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She thing about is Georgia is Georgia is a natural like Georgia does. First of all, she just does things. She's not scared. She just kind of says yes to things and then she's good at them. It's really impressive. Like the first US doing live shows when she had only done, say, a handful of like live appearance things. And then we just went straight to live shows and Georgia just was like, good at it automatically and kind of not intimidating.

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It was it was really impressive.

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Oh, my God. That's so nice. Thank you. It's true. That's true. That's lovely. OK, what's mine about. Shit. I have to fucking all right.

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Mine about you I think is your like confidence like it's I guess it's like what do I, what do I wish I could you know and have that you have or that I admire is your confidence whenever it's like there's never like please and thank you.

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I don't deserve to be here. Kind of like I don't want to upset anyone which I think is my default. It's like I deserve to be here and I deserve to be respected and heard. And I, I just admire that so much. I think it's just like how I've always wanted to live my life and it's fucking difficult. And you do it with like ease and and not not in a way that makes anyone like you. No question. It it's just.

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Yeah. You got to listen to fucking Karen.

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Good. It's good to be your partner. I just go from that.

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Thank you.

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Is Yeah. Thanks. Thanks Kendall. Double touching. Kendall, if you have one more question, I swear to fucking God this one is not from Kendall, it's from Vanessa.

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She says she has. That's when recording.

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Do you ever since when an episode is going to be spectacular, I feel like I'm always a little surprised by what what what like in the comments will be like this was a great episode and I'll be like, what's really OK, I can tell.

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I feel like I know when we are on. In terms of comedy together and because it's a I mean, it happens all the time just because we have that kind of special chemistry that's a little bit automatic. And you like for me, it's like you always surprise me, like you never say a thing. I anticipate you always say a thing where I'm like, what the fuck did you just say? And it makes it so fun. But yes, there are times where then that you get like on a roll like that, we start feeding each other.

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And I know that those are like those are little special comedic chunks that don't always happen. And I definitely track those when they happen because it's it's exciting and.

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Yeah, but I don't think as a whole, because this these episodes change from like the top and then we get into shit and it gets heavy and it gets serious. And the conversation is is very is varied. Yeah I guess so. It's hard to tell. Like sometimes at the end it really does feel a little bit exhausting and super upsetting and depressing.

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So then you're kind of like, like there's you know, oftentimes Georgia will say, look, this was a bad one. Ah, sorry. That was a really bad one where I'm like, yeah, they're all horrible.

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They're all horrible. Yeah. Yeah.

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I think too, like when I'm as far as like our stories that we cover when I am like doing my research and writing my story and I think I can't fucking wait to tell them about this. I mean or you, you know, I can't wait to tell Karen about this if I find out or like if I'm doing one in the future and I find out that I get so nervous that you're going to cover it before me. And I'm like, but I can't wait to do this.

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And I'm going to tell her this. And I found out this like little secret that no one knows about it. And like, when I'm just, like, pumped to tell the story, I think that it probably shows that we, like, are passionate about the story.

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Yeah. I mean, I think that's if people are wondering or thinking about starting a podcast or whatever, I really think you should just get to it. Like, I think that's the key, is that you have you have to care about what you're talking about actively and in the immediate presence present, because that's really the only interesting thing. If you're kind of like interviewing someone or talking to someone and you kind of don't care, it'll totally show. Yeah.

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And so we you know, I think we're always excited to like to break stories to each other, to tell each other things. Yeah, there's a real that part of it is so interesting. It's like it we look forward to it. Yeah, definitely. I think it's exciting.

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One last from from Kendel and one last one from now. This is from Hannah and Shaun. And they ask one story that you love. And I'm presuming it's like a you know, one of the stories that you tell each week, one story you love but would never tell on the podcast.

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Toybox Killer. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. Toybox kill. That thing is a fuck. It's just torture literally.

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It's literally just women being horribly tortured. And then someone goes away and it's like, how do you then live.

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You're like, she's amazing. But it's not like a happy ending in any way or like a like a powerful Jesus.

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It's it's well the thing is it's just so dark that that yeah.

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It just like almost an area. It's similar to Dalmar and in that way and I'm sure eventually we'll cover Dalmar. But every time I think about it, it's just like what you're really talking about are socioeconomic issues, are race, class issues, all these things, policing issues, homophobia, it's it's so much shit that's like and that back then it was so much worse that it's like you just know, getting into it is just it's you know, you could you could talk about it for five hours.

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I mean, that's, you know, that's why it's it's been covered. And for me, there's there's been a couple that I like from my hometown that I just wouldn't ever do that.

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There's there's actually a couple that would be great and interesting. But, yeah, I would get in trouble.

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Oh, literally. Yeah. Oh, how cool is that?

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All the questions. I have one more. That's maybe a little bit more uplifting.

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Oh let's do that. Yeah. Smart. Stephen Smart. He knows how to do it. This one is from Deb and she asks or they ask, what's the biggest lesson you've learned so far from your success.

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Hmm. What do you think? You don't take it for granted.

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Don't let's see what our lessons people learn from thing. Oh, general lessons I before e oh don't look like Toreson Afir this one.

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I think it's. Don't be afraid to learn as you go, the way we started this podcast is very different than the way we do it now because we grew along with it and we developed it and kind of took in information as we went, which I think is I can't say that I that would that was not a conscious decision. We were just kind of in the improv of doing this with you guys, with the audience.

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Very early on, we learned to listen to people and to listen to notes and stuff like that and to kind of dig deeper into stuff because we've talked about this a bunch. But, you know, growing up on true crime media in the 80s and 90s, it was just all blonde cheerleader murders or, you know, or things like Ted Bundy, where the where the serial killer was celebrated or kind of strangely lionized in a way. So we kind of I definitely learned about it in a very backwards way.

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And so I think this new version of true crime fans is a very engaged, caring, empathetic version that I think some people are still very wary of. But but for us people in the know and the people that participate in it, I think it's actually beautiful and has so much potential. It has so much potential to do good and to affect people differently and be yourself. Guys always, always be striving and we're good tissue and also invest in stocks and bonds.

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You know what?

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Get a good waterproof mascara.

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Great idea. Always sorry, Mark. And you know.

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Oh, you wrote that song about that. Always wear sunblock when you graduate from high school, your vitamin C, right. That's you but me.

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Oh yeah. Secret's been told. OK, now should I get Elvis and see if he'll do what about here's my last piece of advice. Pick a job that you not only love but that you can do in quarantining.

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That's a good one. I think that's a good to actually pick a subject just because your pick something you're passionate about and that you love and don't say. But I can't make any money off of that.

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And so you go to college to do something boring that you hate or get to take a job that pays the bills but you don't love.

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And it's and it's soul crushing, like to find something that you really are passionate about and fuck and do it and you never know when it'll actually turn into be like turn into your career, you know. Right.

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And you're going to get your soul crushed anyway because you're like twenty two. So buckle up, because that's what happens to every human on the planet and use the crushed soul, the new dimensions that come out of your crushed soul to see what you really want because you know you don't want that.

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That's good. Yeah. It's like a prism. You're crushed your beautiful little crushed soul. Yeah. And it shines it.

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Yeah. It makes all those those beautiful rainbows on the floor of your life.

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Let's stop it. Your prisma, the kaleidoscope a little better.

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It's down. Vince, will you bring Elvis. Thank you.

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This is like Vince coming on stage at the end of the show, right.

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America's husband, Vince Averil, everybody, let's say, you know, he he said to me, you love you if you look like shit.

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Here he comes. Oh, thanks, Anna, Sean, Vanessa and Kendall Kendall for asking us all those questions and for being here tonight and everybody else for being here tonight. And Stephen, we really appreciate the AMC.

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Stephen Morris, it's a lie. He was down here. Get over here.

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Oh, we want to go.

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Hey, OK, let's do it. OK. Hey, you want a cookie, Elvis? You want a cookie? He wants to leave you.

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Do you want a cookie?

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No, he's been shy lately. Goodbye, Elvis.

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Oh, no, cookie.

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Cookie. Now he's lying down. We're going to dub it.

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We'll dub it. And later. Yeah, it's like you never know what's going to happen. Hey man, that's what life's dreams are all about going to happen. All right. Thanks you guys, for being here with us. Yeah, what a joy. Yeah, I loved it. We didn't fuck it up. Barely. Hardly.

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Well, everybody, let's live stream again soon. Definitely. And until we do stay sexy and don't get murdered by Elvis, you want a cookie jar?