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I need you to be quiet or be... No. No. No. No. No Welcome to My So-Called Midlife, a podcast where we figure out how to stop just getting through it and start actually living it. I'm Rosh Ms. Ajani. So Our guest today has saved parents countless hours of internet sleathing. She synthesizes data about parenting, pregnancy in our bodies like no one. She's basically a rock star. I have been in a room with her with parents, and she's like mob like Taylor Swift at a Swiftie Convention. Now in her latest newsletter, she's digging into hormones in midlife. Emily Oster is an economist, an award-winning author, and specifically, now this is my favorite, she refers to herself as the Vagina Economist.

I love that.

Her breakout book, Expecting Better, sold over a million copies. Since then, she's written three data-driven books to help parents make these hard decisions. She's created a community through her website, parent data. But like more than that, she's on top of her shit in a way that is so foreign to me. I want to study it under a microscope. For example, she sends out a weekly email to her husband, kids, and nanny every single week. It outlines the entire run of show for every day. Everyone is expected to read it and send questions. On top of that, her husband's in of the weekend plans. He sends out an email that outlines what their family's going to do and when the downtime is going to happen. I mean, even the fun is scheduled. But here's the thing. That's how they avoid conflict, she says. I can't wait to talk to her about that because as you can tell, I don't do that with my family. I mean, not even close. Emily Oster, welcome to the show.

Hello. I'm so happy to be here.

What What happened to you this week that felt very midlife?

I feel like most of my day feels very '40s, but I would say the thing that feels '40s every morning is when I get up and I feel like I limp to the bathroom. I don't know. There's just something about the soreness of just the morning. You just feel old. I feel old in the morning, and that's new.

Yes. I walk around with my little... What's my little theragun? You know what I mean? That's Oh, sure. My little best friend. Oh, sure. Yes. Okay, but have you discovered anything to solve the aches and pains? Do you do a heating pad? I started doing that. It helps.

I have a foam roller. Oh, you do? You have a foam roller?

A very ugly blue one in the corner of my house.

Yeah, mine's the Amazon Basics one. It's the only thing that pattern available was speckled. I have a speckled dotted foam roller that lives just around my house.

Foam rollers are a game changer. But it's also like when I was... I was like, Is Is everybody that tight? Is everybody in that much pain? Am I going to have to get a hip replacement soon? What's the deal?

I don't know. This is not my specialty. I do think that my sense from other people who run is that you definitely do get more that stretching is a priority as one ages.

I want to talk about your tools for managing the household. I'm going to admit, I don't do any of the things you say I should do. I'm the parent that when my son brings home his backpack, I don't open it up. I don't take out the homework or fill out the forms. I normally need to be reminded by the teacher five times, so I'm not proud of it. I'm just being honest. That's my deal. Because it's hard to be a parent when you're managing your job, you're managing, but then you got to manage the kids, the fridge, the shoes, the health care, the whole thing. What I love about what you do, and I hope to take that advice one day, is here are some real concrete ways that you can ease the burden. I want to talk about how you and your husband do it because you have a very specific way of keeping stuff on track. You use emails with your husband and your nanny. Tell me your flow. Walk us through your Sunday email.

Okay, so let me just step back. The key issue for us is that nobody in my family, in particular, my husband and I, but also our kids, like to be surprised. We're all busy, and my husband and I, in particular, when it's It's like, I plan to do X, and instead I need to do this with the kids, it makes us really mad. It's upsetting. We're both routine-driven people.

So when you're supposed to go to basketball and you're like, Fuck it, let's go to ice cream, that throws everybody off.

No, we would never do that. That's my house. It's more like if I wasn't warned I needed to pick up. Right now, I'm cranky because the school initially told us that pick up from the school trip drop off today was at 3:30, and we planned for it to be 3:30, and then two days ago, they were like, Oh, it's 2:30. That's annoying. That's the thing that drives our family nuts. Okay. So the cornerstone of this keeping this thing together is these emails. And so on the weekend, I will send an email that just says... It's super simple. Actually, it's just like, Here's what's happening Monday, here's what's happening Tuesday. And mostly it's like, On Monday, the kids are going to school. Here's what's happening at the end of the day. On Tuesday, the kids are going to school. Here's what's happening at the end of the day. But it's a way to call out, Here's where somebody has to be. Here's the driving that needs to happen. Yeah.

It gives people... They can make plans because they know what's happening.

It's so people can make plans. And my husband works in Boston, and so he's on a train three days a week. And so there's some logistics. But so much of our family structure just relies on this idea of planning in advance so we don't fight later.

And your husband's an economist, too, right? He's an economist also. So both of your brains are that way. Clearly, I don't think your kids are going to be economists because everybody- No, oh, my gosh.

I hope not. You don't think so? No. One of them is planning to have a YouTube channel, Reshma. We're going in for a growth area of the economy.

Okay, I have two That's from what you just told me. One, are you the manager of this? Yes.

I do the weekly email. My husband does the weekend email.

Okay. Does that create more or less emotional labor for you?

I think it's pretty clear. I think he would agree with this that I am the primary parent and holder of the emotional labor in the household. It definitely improves that writing this email lessens that emotional labor, in part because it means that everyone else has an opportunity to weigh in on mistakes that I have made and fix things. So it's not like I was the person responsible for this and then I messed it It's like, if something gets messed up, we all messed it up. So I think that's this helpful aspect of it.

Have you ever said, I'm done. I'm not doing this week email. You got to do it. It's like, this is me in my house about the trash.

Oh, no. I don't think he would be good at the week email.

So that's why you do it?

I don't know. I guess it just feels... To me, it feels like it feels fairly evenly split. Like the weekend email is also annoying.

So you feel like it's fair?

Yeah, I feel like that aspect is fair.

My beef with midlife is every day is freaking Groundhog's Day. Yeah. Like, every day is the same. And there's no excitement. And I think that's why people blow up their life, whether they have an affair, you know what I mean? Do something or quit their job or move to a nushrum. It's like, they're just bored. You got to feel that way a little bit, do you? Sometimes- Don't you feel like sometimes just writing the wrong thing on your weekly email and saying that pick is at 5:00 instead of 6:00 and just throwing the whole family off and just, wouldn't that be exciting?

Wouldn't that be exciting? If we were like, We're not having veggies on Wednesday. On Wednesday, there's no veggies at five o'clock, and you can all forget it. F off. Look, actually, I think that's a very... Yes, I think people feel that way very much. I had a conversation last year with Pooja last She made about her book about self-care. She makes this point about self-care being something where you prioritize yourself. I need something that I'm trying to do outside of my job, and It can't just be like, I go to yoga for recreation. I have to be trying to achieve something or else it doesn't work for me in terms of helping take my mind off things. The thing that I have been doing much more seriously, basically since I turned 40, so I think it's quite consistent with your whole thing, is running. And so this weekend, I'm going to a race, and I'm nervous about it. I'm nervous that I won't be able to achieve my stupid goal. And I understand- You're a great goal.

It's not stupid.

It's about like, I have these goals, and they're not important in the grand scheme of my life, but they're important to me. And it's something where it's like it has a cadence that's almost not the same. It's like, okay, I'm leading off to this thing that I'm going to try to do and test myself in various ways. But yeah, I think most people, you want to look for something, I don't know, something different.

One of my biggest fears in many ways is that I'm just boring and dull and I've become lame. I, like you, often pick goals that just make me more lame. It's not going to make you more fun, more loose, more risky. It's actually making you more disciplined.

Yeah. Isn't that ridiculous? Isn't that bad?

Yes. Aren't we doing- I think so. Shouldn't we be picking things that actually, I don't know, mix it up more for us, make us more spontaneous, make us less disciplined?

I don't know.

Because you don't like those things. I don't like those things.

I don't like those things. I like discipline and achievement. I don't know. The biggest thing for me in running, actually, is people. There's a bunch of people who I I would now consider friends who I get to connect with through this, and that's new. The people I've been friends with who I love very much, I've been friends with since college. I met my husband in college. I met my best friend day one of college. And so I don't know, there's a thing about this, but I totally agree. Maybe we should be more... Our hobby should be more interesting.

No, but that's good because I think what you're saying is for me, too, I have to be more social. I think it's like, look, I think when you're on all the time, it's I've become more of an introvert as my career has progressed when I was always an extrovert, right? And then you read all these things, which is like, the most important thing as you're getting older is friends. And I'm like, oh, my God, I don't have any friends. And so it is great that you found something that helps you get more friends.

Yeah, but I agree that the thing I found is boring and just like... I mean, I like it, but it's just like all the other things about me. Yeah.

No, I get it. I get it. I get it. Maybe this will inspire you to find something that... Or for both of us to find something that's in a different way. Painting?

Should we be painting?

No, painting's... No, I'm thinking more like, I don't know, late night DJing or something like that, right? Something that messes with your sleep Okay.

Yeah, I like to go to sleep. Even in college.

That's funny because I was Club Rushma. I could dance all my long.

That sounds amazing. I wish I had known.

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What I love about your work, so I'm obsessed with cons, right? Like the con about us feeling like women, we have to fix ourselves and that we just need a little more confidence, really, when we've had no structural support. And what What I love about you two is you really also talk about the con, the con about not exercise when you're pregnant, the con about how much weight you can gain, the con about when your eggs all disappear, and you're not afraid to be confrontational about it. And your work is so much about the debunking of parenting, pregnancy, women's bodies. What do you feel in all of your research is the biggest con women have been sold?

So let me give you two answers. So I think in parenting, the biggest con is that little things matter. I think if I could just get people to stop thinking and stop asking me, not because I don't want to answer, but stop getting in their head about tiny stuff because someone has told them, Every choice you make is the most important choice, and every minute is an opportunity to optimize your kid. And I realized in some weird sense, maybe some of my work is trying to... But actually, I would just like people to be like, There's three important things. Love your kid. Kids need a stable place to be. Try not to yell too much and read to them. That's great. You're done. You're good. And so that's one. I think for women, I think we sold people a little bit of a bill of goods on having it all. Not that I don't think that it is possible to have a career that you love and a family that you love and be super involved with your kid. We're both trying to do that. I think we have to recognize that there are only 24 hours in the day, and sleeping is important for functioning.

It isn't possible to both be a full-time stay-at-home mom and also a full-time employee because those are both full-time jobs, as the title suggests. I think we sometimes give people the impression that if you just worked harder or you thought about it differently or whatever, You could do both of those things. I think we can make it easier to balance those things for sure with tools or whatever, different approaches, being more deliberate. I think we can make it easier, but I do not think that we should expect ourselves to do all those things at the same time.

That's right. You had some great advice in your newsletter, Parent Data, recently about how we, as parents, compare ourselves to all the other parents, how we judge ourselves based on what everyone else is doing. You wrote, basically, that, Comparison is the thief of joy. Yeah. I think, right? Talk to me about that.

Yeah. I think when we look out at other parents, very frequently, It's like, here are the ways in which I'm not doing good enough. The example I was giving there was like, What's in your kid's lunchbox? That somebody else's kid's lunchbox, it's a bento, it's got the shaped animal, rices, whatever it is. But there are so many aspects of that where we are comparing ourselves to someone else and finding ourselves coming up short. If we could take a deep breath in those moments and be like, I don't really know what is going on with those other people, but I've thought about how the way I want my life to operate, and I am implementing that, and that is working for me. For me, I find this when I talk to parents whose kids are engaged in a lot of high tech, like intensive extracurriculars, which isn't a thing we've really gone in for.

Like Russian math?

Yeah, Russian math, like geography B, three different instruments, karate nationals, just things which seem great. But you can feel as a parent when someone's describing, well, my kid is a debate nationals, and now they're going to the Karate World Championships. You feel that, the rising panic.

Oh, my God. Yeah, I've ruined my child.

It's just the exercise of being like, You know what? That sounds great for them. Not the exercise of being like, That's stupid. Karate is dumb, because it's not. That might work great for them. But just the exercise of being like, That sounds lovely for them. And it's not what works for family.

Because of this comparison piece, do you think that that's why so many women in their midlife are unsatisfied and want to blow up their lives?

I actually think what you hit on earlier is the biggest thing, which is the feeling of monotony, the experience of getting out of the ever-changing little kid world, where there's just a lot of chaos. It's hard to be bored with a two-year-old. It's hard to be rested, but it's hard to be bored. Once your kids are, you have a couple of kids, and they're in an elementary middle school, they're trucking along, it's pretty consistent, and people are in their jobs, and usually they're not still trying to climb the ladder in quite the same way that they were before. You're a little more settled. And it's like, well, okay, is this just it till I die? Sex with the same person, same school. Groundhog Day is the right way to put it. Am I going to the same office doing the same thing? Seeing the same people eating the same nine meals every day until just death.

Do you feel like that?

No. But what I'm doing right now, like trying to build parent data, trying to build something where it's different from what I've done before, like, yeah, I get the high because it's hard. The thing that gets me up is I don't know what to do. I don't know what the next step is. I'm nervous. I'm anxious that it's not going to work, but super excited about the possibility that it will. That's what gets me up in the morning.

So what's the secret to reclaiming your midlife?

Entreprene. I think it's finding... I mean, I think it depends, but I think for a lot of people, it's finding something that you want to try for. I mean, I think for me, that's the thing that people are often missing. It's like, I was trying to achieve it. People are trying to get to something. They're trying to land somewhere, and then they land there with the the kids and the partner and the job. Then there isn't something that you're trying for. I think that's where people... You want to figure out, what are you going to try for? Maybe that's something that is totally outside of everything else you do, being a DJ, late night DJ.

It's like, for example, what's your goal this weekend for your run?

1930. It's a 5K. My goal is 19:30. It's not a realistic goal. My friend Ariel said she would come in and we could try to achieve it together.

That's amazing. But that's That's it, right? A goal, something you want to try for. It could be like your next half marathon.

Yeah. It could be like just whatever floats your boat.

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Gillian Goddard, who's the best.

Who's the best, called Hot Flash. Are you in the pause? And what motivated you?

Oh, yeah.

You're in the pause.

I think so. It's not that well defined, Reshma. We started this newsletter partly because it felt like a good topic that a lot of people are interested in. I will say in our first conversation, I was It was just a quote interview in which I just asked her all the questions about my own personal situation. I'm 44. I would say I have some early perimenopause symptoms. It's weird, right? I mean, people talk about menopause, and that starts on average at 50 and takes a couple of years, but there's an awfully long time of lead up in which things will fluctuate around in ways that are unexpected.

I mean, I'm in it now. I'm sweating right now, profusely for no reason, even though the air conditioning has turned down to 68.

My problem is sleep. I just sleep.

But it is interesting because I think about you don't know whether you're blaming everything for it. The other thing I found really interesting was that so many of my fertility issues were popped back up at this stage while I'm going through perimenopause. I think we just don't know enough. Is that a data problem, too?

Gillian is an endocrineologist, and I think so much of her writing and so much of what's in Hot Flash has helped me understand that the core misunderstanding is about just our understanding of hormones. The answer to why are your fertility issues seeming like peremate, that's because it's the same set of hormones combined in different ways. Almost always the answer to something about why is this going wrong is, well, your estrogen's down. Estrogen turns out to be super important to making you feel good. And so many of these answers surround the balance of hormones. And this is not something that we learn a lot about. I don't think it's something that medicine understands that much about. I mean, there aren't that many endocrineologists. Most people will probably never see an endocrineologist or be informed at all about what is the range of hormone cycles over your life cycle. And it comes up in these times in which the balance of those things are changing a lot.

Based on your own experience, what do you wish women knew?

I think it would be great if we could give people a better sense of the range of symptoms that are typical. Because you're absolutely right. There is a little bit of a vacuum where then everything gets attributed to to menopause or to menopause. It's like, I'm dizzy, my ears hurt, my foot is swelling. A whole range of things people ask, Is this perimenopause? And some of the time it's like, No, that's not. And so that But even breasts, to say cyclical breast pain, which arises anew in your early 40s, that is a very common perimenopause symptom. Consistent pain in one breast, that's not a perimenopause symptom. That's something you should have checked out because that could be something else that you would want to worry about. So even things like that, we're just helping people understand what is going to happen or is likely to happen or could happen and what are things that are outside of this. Sure, they could be related to your hormones, but they are something you should try to understand better.

You conducted this intimacy survey about women's sex life in their midday. Also, side note, I didn't realize that the emoji for sex was a hot pepper. Is that what it is?

Yes, that's true.

Yeah. Okay. So I just learned that recently. Thanks to you. What are some of the most surprising stuff that you heard from the community about this topic?

The data we got back from people, I think when we did this survey, it was like 26,000 people wrote in, and we asked people, How old are your kids and how much sex do you have? I think a lot of it is pretty much what you would expect. People have sex less than they did before kids. Very early on, people have less sex, although when their kids are very small, and then you return back to something closer to the frequency that you had before. I think the typical was in the range of twice a month, ranging between every other week and every week. But there's a really wide range. There are couples who say they never have sex. There are couples who say they have sex every day. That was not common, but kids were a few.

Do you think people lie about that?

About how much sex they have? Yeah. On a survey, maybe a bit. I'm sure they lie more like...

To their friends.

To their friends. Right. Yeah. But maybe a little. I mean, what was interesting about this survey, maybe more than the data, was what people said. There's a lot of like, I like my partner, and I'm sad that this isn't a way that we're connecting anymore. There was more emotion in those answers than maybe I had expected.

When I saw it, too, it was about the older women who had taken their survey that said, Basically, don't worry, it gets better when the kids leave the house. I thought that that was super funny. But part of that then, I think, shed some light a little bit on why people are unhappy because the spontaneity is gone. You almost have to schedule it when the kids are out of the house.

Yeah. You have to schedule when the kids are out of the house. People don't like to schedule sex. Even though many people, actually, all of these surveys, you will see, and you see this in many places in data and in anecdotes, is people say, I don't really like the idea of scheduling it, but once we get into it, I like doing it. It's fun. I mean, this is not like- I mean, we have to schedule sex.

I mean, do you guys have to schedule sex?

Everybody schedules sex.

You're like, I'm married to an economist. Of course, I schedule sex. Well, that's the other thing I want to get to. You called yourself boring in this interview, and I think you love that. I think you love the discipline. You love routine. And is loving a boring life the key to being content in midlife?

I think it is helpful if you are a person who likes routine, and you're absolutely right. I like routine. I like to do the same thing every day. Since midlife is often quite routine, if you are a person who thrives on that, I think that that can be helpful. But I'm not sure it's the key to being content in the sense that you could mix it up. You don't have to have the same coffee at exactly the same time with exactly the same electrolyte drink every morning to be happy. Although if you're a person who likes that and every morning, there's a little spark of joy when you're like, Oh, I get to have my electrolyte drink and my Graham crackers and go for a run. That's lucky.

That's amazing. Well, thank you, Emily. This was such It was a fun conversation.

I love talking to you. I could do it forever.

Okay, here are my takeaways from Emily on how to really live my midlife. Number one, get comfortable with being boring. Big one. Number two, we don't have to have it all. In fact, having it all is a con. And three, this is a good one, schedule sex. Everyone does it. You don't have to feel guilty about it. Emily Oster is the author of four best-selling books, including Expecting Better. She's the founder of ParentData, a data-driven guide through pregnancy, Parenthood and beyond. Thanks, Emily, for coming on the show. That's it for our show. See you next week. There's more of my so-called Midlife with Lemonada Premium. Subscribers get exclusive access to bonus content like Midlife Advice that didn't make it into the show. Subscribe now in Apple podcast. I'm your host, Rashma Sajani. Our producer is Claire Jones. This series is sound designed by Ivan Kouraev. Our theme was composed by Ivan Koryiev and performed by Ryan Juhl, Ivan Koryiev, and Karen Walthtuck. Additional music by APM Music. Music. Our Senior Supervising Producer is Kristen Lepore. Our VP of New Content is Rachel Neil. Executive producers include me, Reshma Sajani, Stephanie Wittles-Wax, and Jessica Kordova-Kramer. Series Consulting and Production Support from Katie Kordova.

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