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It's phenomenal. Now, I've already been on stage, but our guest today, Katherine MacNamara, has not been on stage yet. We've just sneaked her in here to have a moment to ask a lot of different questions about her life, her perspective, why she's here today. And for those of you who don't know Katherine, I want to tell you some amazing things about it. So listen to this and listen carefully. Katherine is best known for her role on the teen drama Shadow Hunters, which is received for Teen Choice Awards and two People's Choice Awards.

Katherine was the People's Choice female TV star of 2018. She now stars in DC comic series Arrow and was recently cast in the Stephen King mini series The Stand. She's deeply passionate about charity work and released a song. Well, listen to this. 100 percent of the proceeds were donated to the United Nations charity Gerlof. She also helped raise two million dollars for Children's Mercy Hospital with Selena Gomez. Katherine, thank you so much for doing this.

Thank you. It's so wonderful to meet someone who's doing so many things, so incredibly talented. Doing this on very little sleep. Well, it's what I do. I've never needed much sleep. How much have you slept again, did you say, in the last 24 hours? I don't exactly know. But most of it happened on an airplane. But honestly, people ask me all the time because I always keep a crazy schedule like this, how I do it with no no sleep.

And it's because I'm dedicating my time to things that I really care about. You know, I genuinely want to be doing these things.

And so, you know, if it means I have to give up a couple hours of sleep, that's worth it.

I love that. And how did you get involved with every day? I'm fascinated to know the story of how did you find out? How did you hear?

So we did something that I have known about for a long time. Actually, a lot of my cast members from Shadow Hunters have done with day events all over the world. And it's something that I've been trying to find an opportunity in my schedule and an opportunity where I have met up with we days course of action. And this just happened to be perfect. I just finished up shooting Arrow here and I'm about to start to stand here as well and congratulate.

Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. And so here we are.

So this is your first reading? This is my first time learning. Read it. And that's the same for me. So I've been wanting to get to read it for so long, so many of my friends involved in reading. And so it's been it's been a very similar journey.

Well, there we go where it's meant to be. Yeah. So I want to dive into so many things about you. And the first thing I want to talk about is what was your first and what your first what's your favorite memory of growing up in Kansas City?

Oh, I think some of my favorite memories growing up in Kansas City all happened at my grandparents house. They have this house. It's it's in this beautiful wooded area. And it sort of became my nature. Playground was their backyard. They had all these woods and hills and rocks and things. I could climb around and look at the wildlife and just kind of be alone in my imagination. And that, I think, started a lot of my sense of make believe, which is truly what I believe led me to being an actor.

I never wanted to be an actor as a kid. I didn't even know that was a job coming from a family of science and medical professionals. And I wanted to be an economist as a kid so that that was totally my track until I fell into this backwards. But that that and just the sense of community there, you know, there's something so special about it, which is why I always go back as much as I can. And that's why I'm so involved with the big slick as well, which is the the organization that started by Jason Sudeikis and Paul Rudd and Will Forte, David Cecchina, Rob Riggle, Eric Stonestreet, all of these really successful actors that are from Kansas City and they go back every year.

It started as a little poker game. And now this year, we raised over two million dollars for Children's Mercy Hospital there. In two days. They calculated all of the numbers. And in the last ten years, they've raised over ten million dollars for the hospital. And it's it's amazing. It's just so lovely to be a part of and really shows the spirit of Kansas City.

That's unbelievable. I love that story. And tell me a bit about it, because I love what you said there. And I talk a lot about I joke a lot about how when I was growing up, I had three options, either to become a lawyer or a doctor or a failure, because that's kind of like all I knew about. And so when you said that, that you didn't know that you could be an actor, you didn't know existed, I felt the same way about anything in media like anything.

It was a real career. And like you said, your your family was medical professionals. Your mom was a scientist. Yeah.

And it's like, tell me about that decision of wanting to be an economist. Yeah. And then falling backwards into this, because I think so many of us always thinking about finding that passion and finding something that they really believe in, like you said, doing things that are meaningful. Absolutely. How did you switch from economists to this?

Well, it's it sort of hit me like a brick wall. I I was always a huge method. And I to this day, I love economics because it's it's the real world application of the math that I love so much. And I was just so fascinated by the fact that these formulas and graphs and complex math that I learned so much about could actually be used to predict and explain things that happened in the real world. And once I discovered that it was kind of a runaway train of, I became obsessed with different things, particularly developmental economics, because I loved the sort of anthropological aspects that gets thrown into that.

When you're trying to find ways to help these developing countries exist in the world in a way that they can grow to their full potential. And that that fascinated me. But aside from that, I was a ballet dancer as a hobby and I and a Girl Scout, a softball player and all these other things. But I ran into a family friend who was directing a community theater production and needed a dancer. And I was the kid who would try anything like, sure, why not?

Let's go do this theater thing and see what that's all about. And I will never forget walking on stage on opening night. It's you have these moments of clarity in life and they come few and far between. But, you know, beyond a doubt when they happen and I walked on stage and something hit me like a brick wall. And I just knew in that moment that I was put on this earth to tell stories and I was put on this earth to to create characters and to be a part of this communal entertainment form, I guess.

And I've never looked back. I love that.

That's so beautiful. And I think you're so right. You articulate it so well that we all get an opportunity. If we slow down, if we if we kind of pause a little and taking these experiences, we. You will get these moments of clarity, and I always say, like, when you eat something, you know, whether you like it or not, straight away, it's true, but we never do that. We never reflect on that when we're doing something new or like when we do an activity.

Like you said when I walked on stage, you just you know, you felt it. I think we should just check in with ourselves more. It's true. When you do something new and be like, dude, I like that. Like, yeah, like that.

I heard somebody give a talk earlier this year about being vulnerable to Joy. And there was something I thought was so beautiful in that because so often we're so focused on what the next thing is or protecting ourselves or whatever it is that we don't allow ourselves to be open to whatever it is that's coming our way. And so we miss out on so much. And I've tried to really make a concerted effort to do that, to be vulnerable to whatever it is, be a joy, be it a lesson to be learned, whatever.

Yeah. Tell me something that you've learned recently or something that you've been learning recently. Something that I've learned recently is the importance of of taking a moment, actually, just what you said, taking a moment, taking a breath. And just in I live a life of a lot of chaos recently, and it's really important to stop and take in those moments and just sit for a minute sometimes and really just be present and absorb what it is that you're in in the midst of.

Yeah, I love that. Tell me how and I mean this genuinely. How does someone finish high school at 14 and get a degree at 17?

Well, that ties into why we're here today. Yes. I again, I've always been a huge nerd, but I credit that to one of my very first teachers. She was my preschool teacher and she saw something in me this this propensity and love for learning and took the time to foster that. So for me from my family as well to to this teacher, school learning education was always presented to me as discovery, as joy, as what can you figure out about the world?

Can you learn how can you expand what it is that, you know, it was never a chore. It was never something negative. It was never, you know, presented as as work in a sense. And so. Yeah. So that's how I've always approached learning. And I was allowed to go at my own pace and did a lot of online and correspondence programs that allowed me to do that while still going to the school for art and music and recess and lunch and all the fun things.

And it was the perfect storm for me because I got the best of both worlds and accidentally graduated high school at you guys are amazing.

I love hearing that because I think so many of us have had experiences of school, whether it was the other two extremes of like boredom, chores, who cares? Right. Or in my case, it was very much like performance, getting top grades and like doing well in exams, which also doesn't leave a good impression for kids because it becomes about pressure and pain. And, you know, you now just trying to catch up with this metric just to show your parents or compare yourself to someone else.

So how are you? What's your message today to the children on stage? Are you putting that in there? Are they going to hear that?

I'm trying to as much as I can. My the topic that I'm discussing is about something a little bit different. But I always try and talk about education because I feel as though so many kids, especially today, take it, either take education for granted or don't see it as something that can be joyful. Yes. And it's not to say that, you know, there are going to be assignments or classes or things that are going to be really difficult and not going to be any fun at all.

But for me, I don't know, maybe it's because I'm a stubborn optimist, but it's all about finding the fun in them. It's you know, you have to Mary Poppins that a little bit and figure out how to make it fun and how to make it something that you can enjoy because you have to do it either way.

Yeah, no, I love that. That's so true. I this is I've just my first book coming out next year, April, and so I'm sharing a study that's in my book, so I'm giving it all away. But you just reminded me of something. There's a study that was done at Yale. I get assigned his second name wrong. So I want to say a first name is Amy. And in my book I talk about how she talks about how they did a study where they interviewed nurses and cleaners and all these people.

That work is part of a hospital staff. And they spoke to cleaners and they asked them, describe your job. And half the clean is described as low skilled, dirty Achuar, hard, very difficult. And the other half described it completely differently. They used words like Healer's Transformer's like they felt that they were a part of human emotion and they felt that they were building up these relationships with patients. And so it's a term that Yael Crockford called job crafting.

And it's like how you view that is what it becomes. And so some of these people felt that their work was so highly skilled and so fulfilling in so meaningful.

It's funny life. It's so if there's anything I've learned in becoming an adult is that life is all about perspective. Every morning when you wake up, you can choose to have a great day or to have a terrible day. No matter what happens.

It's all about how you view it and how you look at the world. And it really is a series of choices.

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When you get those moments in your day, what things are going not the way you planned, what's the choice you're making? How are you bringing it back? I'd love to hear.

I always try and find something good, something that I can focus on that can make me smile or to just laugh at the chaos, because how silly things can be and how absurdly chaotic things can get. It just gets to a point of you have to laugh or you're going to cry because and I'd much rather laugh. Yeah. And it's sort of how I was raised. My whole family does that. You know, my my grandmother was the head nurse of an E.R. for for several decades and nothing fazes her.

She is one of the strongest willed people. Yeah. She's seen everything. And my entire family is of the mind that you can make some anything silly, any situation you can make it you can turn it into laughter. Yeah. And so that's kind of how I was raised. And that's I try and carry that on and spread that around as much as I possibly can. Are you a Harry Potter fan? I'm a huge fan.

You've just reminded me of one of those things called I. My sister is going to hate me for not remembering what are those things called where they come out as your biggest fear. But you have to imagine it as something funny. You know what I'm talking about? I know what you're talking about, and I. What do they call it right now?

Bogot. No, Bogarts. No, it's something like that. But we're to be.

Yeah, yeah. We're going to get to that. I'm such a horrible bugger. I feel like it's a bug. Sure. We'll go with that. Yes. But you know what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah.

But you see a dementor and you have to imagine it as as the balloon in the moon that pops or whatever.

Exactly. That's exactly what do with that spider and got skates on. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. OK, I love that piece of advice. I've never had that before and I think that's also OK if we're talking about Harry Potter topic, what's your house.

Oh oh oh oh. So when I've been to the sorting hat, OK, in the Harry Potter studios and it said Gryffindor, OK, I see that. But that I have a bit of slithering in me.

Well, I don't think anyone is purely one house. I have a theory on this little slithering in me. OK, I like the rebellious. Yeah. Kind of person. Not not evil. No, just just rebellious and pushing buttons and like trying new stuff.

Yeah. How about you. I would say I'm Raven Claw with Gryffindor tendencies and a sprinkle of huff and puff. Oh OK. That's, that's what I've come to determine.

Are there any new I mean maybe a little but not enough, not enough to, to claim it. I love it. I'm glad, I'm glad we don't have to hurry but we've never done that at any point because well there we go. But no advice of, you know, laugh and see how silly things are. And I think sometimes it takes us time to see that. But actually we can do that in the moment. Like, please be a please, please, please.

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And that's something that I think is essential to our job because, you know, we have the opportunity to walk a million different lives and play a million different people and figure out how they work. And I think the farther I can push myself to to completely transform and immerse myself in every character I play, the the more diverse a Rolodex of characters I'll be able to play, but also the better. I'll be able to serve the story because I'm not a part of a story to put myself forward.

I'm a part of the story to kind of be within that canvas and within that cast of characters and to serve the the greater arc of whatever the story is telling and play my play my piece and play my part well and serve the greater machine of the story. And, you know, it's it's also really fun to see how far you can go in a different direction and be somebody completely different.

Absolutely. And what's your process like? Do you do method acting? Would you see yourself considering that or what's your process to really get into a role? Like is it research? Is it spending time? Is it what are your hobbies?

I want to know how you break it down when you get a little bit of everything, honestly, and it differs based on the project and what it requires. So I always do as much research as I can, given that I'm a huge nerd. Yes. And it helps me to know as much as I can because then it will kind of help inherently, even if I'm not actively thinking about it. If I have the knowledge, it'll be in the back of my head when I need it.

And then, you know, if there's source material, I'll definitely go read it. Like for shadow hunters. I read the Mortal Instrument series just because so much of it is told from Clary's perspective. And even though our series is very different, at least I had that knowledge and I had that in the back of my head that I could pull little bits from or with Arrow because I was playing Oliver Infelicities daughter.

Given that their characters were so iconic and so well developed, I went through and watched the entire series so that I could pull it all qualities and nuances and quirks and things to to pepper through so that she really was an amalgamation of these two characters that audiences know so well. So I'll do a bit of that. And then, you know, I, I love Pinterest, so I'll go on Pinterest and I'll look up different clothing or different hair and makeup looks or whatever it is to see kind of what I can piece together and see something that I might not have thought of or something.

And I might, you know, this or if there's an accent required or if, you know, I do as much as I can and then try and watch a few similar tonal projects or similar characters to see what other people have done in similar situations just to try and get as much as many ideas as I can get as much influence as I can to see what I like, what I don't, what I want to pull, what I want to incorporate, what's in the back of my head just so I have as much information as I can to play with on the day that makes complete sense.

I love what an intellectual pursuit I think it's great. Can be can be when I'm listening to you.

And that's about 50 percent of it. I always say I do 50 percent of my work before I get there. And then 50 percent of that happens on the day because so much it's so much of it depends on the director and the other actors in the scene and the set when you get there and the environment, because half of acting is interacting with the other people and with the environment around you. So if I come in and I've done all my work and I'm solidly set in, what I'm going to do, I don't have any flexibility and there's no room for play.

Yeah. So you have to get there and be able to kind of bounce around and adapt and go, OK, let's play ball, let's pass this tennis ball back and forth and see what happens.

Yeah, I think that's a great rule. Fifty percent before fifty percent off because sometimes we try to be 100 percent and then almost you paralyze yourself when you're in the zone. You did, you just you can't be playful and. Yeah, that's right.

And my favorite moments are those little magic things that happen, that surprise you, that you finish a take and you go, I did not expect it to go that way at all. I did not expect to feel that whatsoever. But holy moly, that was great.

Yeah, I love that. Yeah. So cool. And it's funny. Now we need to find you to be costed as an economist because then you won't have to prepare. Perfect. You can just, you can just go in. Let's do it.

Well that's I mean that is what my degree is in. Yeah. Exactly what I mean.

And you know, if you were playing an economist, do you know any cool economist stories I like. I don't know, historical pieces. There must be something.

I mean, unless I'm playing Alan Greenspan, which I really don't think I've got. That is the reason. I'm sure there are some crazy stories that female economists that I like.

I'll find it. Yeah, we'll find it. Find it. OK, I know that you love Disney. I do. You do love Disney. If you could be a voice actor. Oh, I think with the voice of any character of any Disney movie, would it be.

Oh or there's so many things I'd love to do. I mean, they keep creating all these wonderful new stories and. You know, when I was a kid, I was always looking for these characters, these badass female characters, so Mulan and Pocahontas, right girl like they were the ultimate for me. I wanted to be Mulan as a kid. I had a poster on my wall was great. But, you know, I'd love to be a part of pretty much any universe.

I think Pixar and Disney are so many wonderful things right now.

And I love the Disney Pixar movies because they're so fun. And you go back and you watch the movies that you loved as a kid and you can still enjoy them as an adult.

It's fascinating that there are so many layers to them that you don't even realize. So I'd love to be a part of that world. And, you know, it's it's something that I've worked for Disney for a long time, and they're such a wonderful company.

Yeah, absolutely. Have you seen that series? You reminded me of something else. We keep going. Tony, I've tended to keep feeding into all my all my passions. Have you seen record, Ralph, the second one?

I haven't. OK, I haven't I'm not going to give it away. But you can go on YouTube and watch the scene. You don't watch the scene first, OK? There's a scene where all the Disney princesses are there and they're telling their stories. But in a very funny like in a very educational but funny way. Oh, my God. Boys say about women empowerment. And so it's just I'm not going to give it away, OK? But I want you to watch it even while it's in the second movie.

Yeah. It's so well done. And it's Disney almost making fun of themselves for how they portray princess.

But that's the best thing, is that I find self-aware comedy to be the most fun because it allows for suspension of belief. But also, you know, you can laugh at yourself a little bit.

Yeah, absolutely. Now you've got to go on stage. So I've got to ask you, I've got to rush to the rapid fire section. So I ask a final five, which are fast. Five questions, OK, one word or one sentence answers. All right. So here we go. Here's your final five. Let's go with our there's so many things I want to ask you.

Let's go with what's the biggest risk you've ever taken? The biggest risk I've ever taken. I moved to New York City after booking a job within a week and didn't know what I was doing, didn't know how long I was going to be there, but I just said, all right, here we go. And I was fourteen. Well, OK. Yeah, that sounds very important detail.

Yeah, I love that. OK, what's the toughest decision you ever made?

Toughest decision I ever made was there was a time in my actually that's kind of an existential decision. There was a time in my life where I could have chosen to stay in a very dark place and and allow that to consume me or choose to frame it positively and make the difficult choice of, at least at the time of looking on the bright side and finding that silver lining. And I was lucky enough to be surrounded by people that helped me do that and helped me steer a very healthy path as opposed to a very unhealthy path.

And here I am today.

Well, if you don't mind, next time. Next time. We're both in L.A. we both lived there. I'd love to unpack that bit more with you. Yes. Been meaning to talk about that. OK, third question.

The first thing you do in the morning, usually I roll out of bed, eat an apple and go to the gym. Oh, cool. OK, I love working out in the morning. It starts my day. Right, and it's usually the only time I have. Yeah.

OK, first question. The last thing you do every night.

Last thing I do every night I usually what do I do. I make sure I take on the make up of I'm really really particular about taking care of my skin. Have to be in this job that we do. I usually call my mom before I go to bed, check and see how her day was, and then you make sure I don't have any emails to look at and then I'll figure amazing.

And your fifth and final question. What's one message you'd love to share with all of the kids who are serving through day and having such a huge impact?

I would like to say thank you for being conscious of the world around you and for being a global citizen and serving kind of this world that we share and this human race that we have, because it's so important to think beyond yourself and beyond your own life, in your own realm, to to take care of everyone in the world that we live in. It's I always feel if everyone took just a couple of seconds every day to think of someone else and to do something kind for somebody else, the world would be a lot better place.

And you guys are already doing that completely. Agree, everyone. Catherine, thank you so much. I think you're amazing and I can't wait to dive in to so many more of these areas. I feel I've learned so much more about you today. And yeah, I hope we can do this again. I would love to. There are so many things that I would love to unpack with you. Let's do it. Yeah. Thank you so much.

Wonderful.

Thank you. Hey, everyone, thank you so much for listening to this conversation with Catherine McNamara today. I really hope my conversation with Catherine gave you some ideas on how to find joy in learning and laughter amongst chaos.

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And I apologize to all the Harry Potter fans out there for forgetting the name for a Boggo. It's the slither in me, I guess. What can I say? I thank you so much for being part of the on purpose community. Thank you so much. Have a wonderful weekend all week. Stay safe. And don't forget to look out for episodes every Monday and Friday. This podcast was produced by Dust Light Productions, our executive producer from Dust lt is Moesha Yousef.

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