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I'm Oprah Winfrey, welcome to Super Soul Conversations, the podcast, I believe that one of the most valuable gifts you can give yourself is time taking time to be more fully present. Your journey to become more inspired and connected to the deeper world around us. Starts right now.

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So I want you to start thinking about how you would answer these questions.

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What question would you ask God if God was in the room with you right now in a physical sense? What do you want to be remembered for when you die? Do you believe that prayer can change the outcome of events? These aren't your average. Do you want fries with your hamburger kind of questions? There's a book called This Little Book of Big Questions that says that if we learn to ask ourselves the right questions in life, that we will all start to feel a lot better about our so-called troubles.

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So we're going to start doing that today. The first question is, if you were in a room with God, what question would you ask him? Tracy, with so many religions in the world? Which one are we supposed to believe? That's the one thing you want to know. A question I would ask God. I would ask him, why did he make us humans with choice? I mean, because since he already knows what is going to be best for us anyway, just do that.

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Joe, what would you ask God? Well, I don't know that I would ask him a question. I would probably stick out my hand and say, I'd like to shake your hand. I'm glad to meet you, because I wasn't really sure that you existed.

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Really? You're agnostic. Yeah. And why aren't you sure? I believe in the human spirit. I believe we make things happen. I believe I'm the master of my own destiny, that I'm in charge of my life and nobody is planning my life for me. I am. I believe that, too. I'm not sure that there is a God. Nobody can answer my questions when I say What is God?

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But do you believe that like in if you don't call it God? Because I really do think people get hung up on the whole God issue and whatever that force is, that whatever you want to call it? I don't think that it cares what it is called. It's any power that is omnipotent. I say isn't hung up on an ego question of what you call it. So could you believe in a force of nature, a spirit of power that somewhere there is in the Color Purple?

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You remember that book, the movie Alice Walker describes it. There's a rhythm to the universe. Could you believe in that?

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Yes, I believe more in nature and the power of love. Do you believe in love? Yes.

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Well, then you believe in God. I'm sorry to tell you. You do not call it God. Do you believe in God? We do not know what. To call the guy and you don't have to call it God and God does not care, you don't have to call it God, because if God is love, it does not matter what you call it, you are OK. Sit down.

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You're no longer God. No, really. You don't have to talk to God. And I think that is why so many people are hung up and so many people feel like they cannot be in touch with their spirituality because they're hung up on traditional ways. We have been told what God is. And, you know, I was raised Baptist, honey, which means, you know, we were in the church all day and, you know, God is and I was sitting in church, I was in my 20s and I was listening to the preacher talking about the Lord God, God is a jealous God.

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And I started to think, why right. Why would God be jealous of anything I could do or anybody else I know.

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So, yeah, get over that whole thing. Yeah. OK, your sisters believe differently. Is that true? Yes. You disagree. You do believe in God and you call it God and that's OK too. OK.

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Do you believe that prayer can change the outcome of events. Do you. Yes. You don't. Absolutely. You do.

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You will by the time you do. OK, I don't know. I'm not trying to convert you to I don't know, to believe in God.

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You already do. That's your opinion.

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And you believe in the power of thought. Yes, I believe we can make would you believe in the power of thought that thoughts carry energy into the universe? Yes. OK, so what is the thought carrying itself, its energy into the universe? If it is into your, like, heart's desire, what is prayer? If it isn't like your heart desires?

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But people say, God answered my prayers. No, you answered your prayers.

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Oh, boy.

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OK, what's the most important thing you have learned in life so far? Brian's going to answer that question.

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The most important thing that I've learned is to value other people's lives as much as I value my own.

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Really? Where'd you get that lesson from Braw. It seems like people constantly subordinate others. If we were to sort of rise above that and really value each person, every individual, I think it would make a huge difference.

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Do you believe angels can help people when they're in trouble? Paula and Mrs. Spack, do you believe angels? Yes, I do.

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We live in a tri level house, and my mom was upstairs and couldn't breathe. And I was downstairs sleeping and an angel woke me up and shook me twice.

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It was like, Paula, Paula, wake up. And I woke up in a panic and I ran upstairs. And you look like I didn't see him. You just woke me up, did its job, woke me up. I ran upstairs and I was like Mother. And she was leaning on the edge of her bed and was like, it's time to call nine one one. And if the angel didn't wake me up, then she would have died.

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OK, so it was do you believe to say she don't know?

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OK, I don't believe that angels wake you up. I think that is possibly intuition, possibly observation. And I just don't accept the concept of angels.

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OK, I have a story to tell you. And you tell me if this and you tell you tell me if this is an angel or not. We did this show not too long ago about the kindness of strangers. And on the show, there was a gentleman, white gentleman who said that he felt like compelled to go to this certain location to go fishing. I look at him, tell the story. Go ahead. I had a compulsion to walk to the Hermosa Beach Pier and I didn't know why I would I'd be so upset.

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I'd be kicking trash cans. I'd stand out on the end of the pier and say, why am I here? I met Frank and that that feeling just left me. And the only time I needed to be there was when he was there. I was on dialysis at the time. My wife took me out there to kind of break this monotony, what was going on. And he was standing about four or five feet. I didn't pay any attention to him.

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And then he looked over my arm and he saw my foot. And then all of a sudden, you know, you look is what would it do? What would it take for you to get away from this machine? I said a kidney. On the next day he called me and said, Frank, I'll give you a kidney. And he said, give me the name of your doctor. Then the next thing we did, we went down there for the DNA and we match up like brothers.

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That's amazing. That's amazing.

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What made you do that? I don't know. I think the grace of God just made me do it. It was destiny because I moved to Hermosa Beach, gave him the kidney, then moved away from Hermosa Beach. He offered his kidney to a total stranger. Now, do you think that was just a nice guy?

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I think that was a very fortunate coincidence. I think it was good people rising to an occasion.

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Would you say that there's some kind of miracle, something in that, though? Yes, I would. I think God works through people. I agree with Jill, that God works through people. The spirit of love works through people. But you call it coincidence? No.

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As I said, I would go with the spirit of man and the goodness in people.

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OK, children at LaSalle Language Academy here in Chicago shared some of their thoughts with us.

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I ask her how he dances. Massey My daddy told me when God looks over a white person, he turns white and like a black person, he turns black or brown.

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Some guys can be in different places like Mexico, Tennessee, Illinois, Chicago, lots of different places.

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If I were in the room with Dad, I would ask him if she will play grandpa live. Tell my parents I don't know what that is, but I do know where he is in our heart.

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Jonathan Robinson is a psychotherapist and the author of this book. It's a wonderful book.

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If you want to get a great conversation going in your home with your family, with your friends, it's called The Little Book of Big Questions. He says that within minutes after asking certain questions like the ones we're asking here today, people can start making more of a spiritual connection with their friends, their family, their loved ones, and ultimately with yourself. Because one of the problems in life as we go through asking all the wrong questions, isn't it?

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And if you get the right questions, the answers will come right.

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The wisdom of the universe is in a convenient location like that little girl said. It's located in our heart. And if we ask the right questions, we can point us back to that. Back to the love and peace that we really are all yearning for, right, and that's really what, in spite of all the struggles for money and the super highway and the houses and the cars were really just looking for that feeling, that connection, isn't it?

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Exactly. Bottom line is, that's it. And questions are very practical and simple way of doing that. You don't need to meditate in a cave. You can just ask questions and get back to that heaven within yourself. Start thinking about it. Joining me now are three people whose books about their own profound spiritual experiences have been worldwide bestsellers. All are here to tell us what they've learned about how ordinary folks can make powerful spiritual connections. Dannion Brinkley is the author of Saved by the Light and at Peace in the Light.

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His Story of Dying Twice. You get it the first time at that twice to get it. It's known as one of the most remarkable cases ever documented.

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Twenty years ago, Dannion was clinically dead for nearly 30 minutes after being struck by lightning.

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He was being taken to the morgue on a gurney when he says he came to life. Fourteen years later, he was again pronounced dead during open heart surgery. After that, he changed his life, completely, dying.

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The second time, he completely changed his life. Sophie Burnham is the author of several best selling books on angels, including A Book of Angels. That book describes how her life was saved by an angel who she says stopped her skiing out of control off a cliff. She also wrote the follow up bestseller Angel Letters, and she says angels are there to help us develop our inner self and reach our goals. They're not just pinned to wear on your collar.

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And Betty Eady is the author of Embraced by the Light.

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Betty, Ediz, amazing story about dying during a routine hysterectomy. Going to have a meeting. God then coming back to tell about it has been detailed here on this show and worldwide.

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In her book, Betty says that her most important discoveries were secrets about life itself.

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And fortunately, Betty says, we don't have to die to learn those secrets. We don't know. You don't. It's got hung up on what the things were hung up on. And you see God over there.

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Yes, I did. I mean, I learned while I was there that we were his spiritual children and that we chose to come to this earth for this experience. But we are literally connected to him, connected to his divine love. He is within us just as our parents here on this earth are within ourselves. When you saw God, did you call him God? No, no. And as you were saying earlier, it did not matter what his name was.

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I thought of him more like a parent again, asked my father, What's it like over there, Dannion? It's magnificent.

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It's the most deeply attaching nature of spirituality. What we really have to look at is that we are all basically powerful spiritual beings. We're not poor, pitiful humans trying to have a mystical experience. We're powerful and mighty spiritual beings having a human experience, and we're just trying to get good at it. We're just not good at it.

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Yeah, well, how can we can't get that and how can we can't be reminded of that all the time because there's sometimes I'm in it, I'm in there and I'm thinking I'm a spiritual being, I'm a spiritual being. And then that human stuff starts to hit me. You lose sight of it sometimes, you know, because we are in the flesh.

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But isn't that at the point when you are learning I mean, your greatest lessons are earned, bought and paid for experiences? I know some days I don't want to learn. Not that no God.

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Yeah, but you see remember what this human experience is about is for our ability to come from that side. We're not from here. We're from there to come from that side. You know, this unequivocally. Now, this woman just said Jill earlier was concerned because Jill was saying she believes when you die, that's it. Is it possible is it possible that some people die and that's it, they go back into the earth and that's it.

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And then others don't? If you know what I know and like Betty knows, you're so happy that you don't know what to do. I think the people who should be locked away are those who are trying to extend life to one hundred and fifty years, because I want this thing here to wear out as soon as possible and for me to get back to where I went those two times so there's nothing to be afraid of would die.

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Absolutely. Is there like a moment is there like at least a hiccup where you go, Oh, I'm dead?

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I'll tell you something. In both experiences that I've had, the last thing that I would think about was that I was dead. I was having too much of a good time exploring this new world I was entering. When you left out of your body, you're surrounded by love. And everyone who has a near-death experience says this, but they don't really realize that they're feeling themselves again for the first time. And then you begin to have a true value of what you gave up to come to this earth life to help create this overall picture of things.

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If I have to stop you on that one, to have a body is a very precious and joyful and wonderful thing. And we do a huge service by agreeing to come down and take on the suffering of this world.

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Wasn't that the whole point of Jesus entering Jesus, the spirit entering the flesh to show you?

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Yes, but it's also ours. Yeah. I mean, we each one take on this thing.

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It's not just Jesus, you know, we're all here is different for this experience and to experience pain. We're here to. Everything on Earth that will create in us, you're frowning because you don't think we're here to experience in pain.

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I believe that we come to work within a system and use a certain dynamic to evolve ourselves spiritually if we know we're spiritual. And within us is the power, the spiritual dynamic that we chose and were chosen to come here. And as we work this out, those things are not as significant as the overall spiritual growth of ourselves as we work these things out.

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Yeah, it's not working out.

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That kind of an update I can understand. It's still working it out. Working.

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You got up, you heard the lady talking about angels and how she didn't believe in the concept of angels. What would you like to say about that? Well, I think that's all right.

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He doesn't have to believe in the concept of angels and they don't mind some celebrities we've talked with about their profound spiritual experiences.

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Put me here to play basketball. That's where I have my fun, my peace of mind. I came back because, God, we we've been praying on it and we prayed on it a lot together. And he answered and said, go back.

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That's why I'm the only way that we can go from a tumultuous relationship to being each other's best friends. The only way I can go have an incurable disease, they tell me, is going to kill me to being in complete remission. The only way that we really do anything in this life that's worthwhile is through love. If I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that what we do on Earth affects us after we die, I certainly would live my life differently.

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I've done a lot of things I shouldn't have done. I probably would treat everybody a lot better, be a lot nicer person.

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It won't make any difference if I flip some guy off on the freeway, but yet it'll make tomorrow miserable for me. Is it making me feel any better at that moment? But I don't think it'll make any difference whether what happens to me for eternity. God made us all imperfect. OK, how does what we do here on Earth affect us after we die, do you think, Dannion, what you have is in the course of the near-death experience, you have the panoramic life of you for me.

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I started out my life as a basic jerk. And so as you have the panoramic life review, it means that there is a place, as you make this transition, that you will literally see your entire life passed before you and 360 degree panoramic life with you, even people you flipped off on the freeway, even those I mean, when you start out as a jerk.

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But the key is this, Oprah, you will literally become every person that you've ever encountered and you will feel the direct result from your interaction between you and that person. My first life, I got to feel all the torment, pressure, all the aggravation, humiliation and anxiety I put on so many people. Then when I had my second near-death experience as I became a hospice volunteer, what happened was I got to become the people who I had helped in transition to know what it's like to walk into a room with a person that no one's been to see in 10 years as they're laying in a program waiting to die.

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No one's come to see him in 10 years. And the joy on their face to know that one day you're going to become that person and feel the direct result of your interaction between that person is what change me.

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See, you and many others I've talked to say the same thing. And I think this is great whether you want to call it God or not. In The Life Review. Everybody who I've ever talked to or read about who crossed over to the other side says that the force of love is so strong you can't even begin to describe it.

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There are not human words to describe it. And they all say that it's also so fair because everything you did, you then get to feel everybody, how you treated everybody, how you behaved and conducted yourself in this life. What that that's pretty good for God to be.

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What it tells you is there is not only a life after death, it's a great and wondrous adventure. There was fairness, justice and righteousness, which is something that we've all looked for in this human experience. But to know literally that there's a place that that exists, what I try to write about and talk about is the way in which people can take from the near-death experience incorporated into their lives every day and begin to change and prepare and alter the way they're looking at themselves, knowing that this is going to happen.

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OK, now, a lot of people are concerned because they think you're glorifying death. So many people who are watching who are in trouble right now, I don't want them to listen to you and think, oh, it's so great over there on the other side, because the reason why you're here as a human being is to work out your stuff.

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That's gonna work out your stuff and to learn the lessons so that you can, I believe, evolve to the next. I believe what we're doing is glorified life. I'm trying to give people the advantage of having to learn what what goes on when you leave this world so that they can incorporate it in their life and move closer to spirituality.

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But I think at the root of everybody's life, as we are so hurriedly racing through it, just trying to get through and trying to survive, is that we are all trying to connect to that feeling of love and fulfillment. How do you believe so be? We can begin to experience miracles on a daily basis.

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The basic thing is that you have to be still you have to have a few minutes during the day where you take a walk or where you meditate, something that is very quiet, very still and stop the thinking mind. And when you stop the thinking mind, it flips off into another part of the brain, believe it or not. And wammo. You've got it, you've got that sense of absolute transcendent peace.

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But what about those people who feel like they're really good, but all this stuff is always happening to them. They're really good, the things that come into our lives.

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In fact, when you find that someone is having a particular difficult time in their life, that these people are graduating, you know, Maya Angelou says to me what you do when the trials come, you thank God, then you think whatever force you you call thank God, then because your faith is so strong that, you know, all it is, is a little test and that you are going to graduate.

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And the more test part of it is look, and you put miracles and quality in their life and how they should do it, then do a good deed, look to how to help someone, because one day you're going to feel the direct result of your interaction of helping that person. If you know that, then it becomes systematic if I died tomorrow.

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I think I would regret not telling my mom and my dad how much I love them.

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I would definitely regret not having a baby. I don't think I regret anything or maybe one thing, not spending enough time with my oldest son. He was killed last year. Yes, Brian, your question was my question was just what if you don't have a near-death experience? I mean, how do you make the transition to a more spiritual person, you know, productive members of society?

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What I was talking about that you have to take some time to be still with yourself and meditate, learn to meditate and be quiet. And second, it doesn't take more than 15 minutes a day. How does that help you and there in the actual experience?

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OK, I will tell you in a minute what you do is if you're going to leave this world and you're going to go through a panoramic life of you, then at the end of each day have one think back through every person. And if you were that person, how you would have reacted to that person or felt their reaction to you. And you'll be amazed at the next morning as you go out in your life, how when you're talking to someone, you become cognitively aware of how they will receive what you're saying.

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You're not only beginning to affect your life after this one, which you would truly have, you're beginning to bring that life and that world over here to operate and say also that prayer is helps.

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That prayer is a very, very important.

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You have to ask. You have to be able to receive when you have gotten the prayer, notice it and say thank you. This is what I found.

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The way to have a better life is to appreciate the life you have right now, wherever you own this thing.

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And that's how you do it. I swear to you, that is how you do it.

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And I started doing something just this year just as a part of the discipline, because I'm a person who's bombarded by so much stuff and so many things and so many people that I started to feel that if I don't hold myself in the center, then I can lose sight of who I am and be defined by all the stuff. So at the end of every day now I keep like I've always kept a journal. I keep what I call a gratitude journal where I just list at the end of every day and it takes just a little few moments and then day the things that I'm most thankful for.

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The blessings are part of a panoramic life of you to count your blessings. That's great, right? Isn't that what the journey is all about here? Isn't it what you were saying to Sophie? That it really is. You're talking about Dante being. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I was saying that when Dante goes to Paradise in the Divine Comedy and he sees God, he finally gets up to say, asking to see the face of God. And he's given this himself and he sees himself.

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What he sees is his own face because we are co creators.

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People always think you're being sacrilegious. It just means you're given choice. So in every day, you have the opportunity to make choices that determine your world, that you live in, the world that you live in.

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Solitude has gotten a lot of joy lately to just the silence of being alone and the calmness and peace that I've only recently begun to achieve for myself is to be a much more social animal than I I think I am now.

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A panel has been discussing the spirituality and the forces of God, but I also believe that there are two forces that are here with us, that we do have our God that we can depend on. But there's also a power of darkness that we need to be aware.

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And that's the choice, do you believe that you can choose between one or the other most absolute definite? Yes.

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You have given that to Marianne Williamson says in her book Return to Love, that we're always walking in the direction of one or the other, that all of your actions in life, either you're moving toward the darkness or you're moving toward the light. She calls it fear and love. There's this wonderful book called Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. It talks about one of the points it brings out is one of the mistakes that human beings make is believing that there is only one way to live and that we don't accept that there are diverse ways of being in the world, that there are millions of ways to be a human body.

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And in many ways, no. But many pathways to what you call God and purpose might be something else.

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And when she gets there, she might call it the light, but her loving and her kindness and generosity, if it brings her to the same point that it brings you, it doesn't matter whether she called it God along the way or not.

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And I guess the danger that could be on that, I mean, it sounds great on the onset, but if you really look at both sides, I could possibly be just one way is one way and only one way.

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And that is there couldn't possibly be to say there. It could possibly be because you say you intellectualize it and say there is.

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And if you don't believe that you're all buying into the lie, but that maybe you're right. You think you think that if you if you are somewhere on the. When with you somewhere on the planet and you never hear the name of Jesus, you never hear the name of Jesus, but yet you live with a loving heart, you lived as Jesus would have had you to live. You lived for the same purpose that Jesus came to the planet to teach us all.

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But you are in some remote part of the earth and you never heard the name of Jesus. You cannot get to heaven, you think? And that is covered in the scriptures. Two people are talked about. Only God knows the. Does God care about your heart or God care about if you call his son Jesus. Well, you know Oprah.

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Jesus cannot come back until that gospel is preached in the four corners of this earth. So you don't figure it out. OK, OK.

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I can't get into a religious argument with you. It's not religion. I can't get into religious arguing with you, John.

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It's not religion in the Bible says the important thing is to love God and love each other. Right. And the question is, how can we get back to our center and the questions that help us to stay back on center like a trusted friend that we can ask every day, how can I serve? How can I love? And those are the most important questions.

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So Jill is asking the question in her life, which is one of the things she's concerned about going back to community for. She's asking the questions, how can I serve? How can I love, which is what Jesus came to the planet and asked us to do. But she doesn't use the name Jesus, and there's no problem with that.

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As far as I'm concerned. I measure peace. You're saying there's a problem of how well they feel peace, how much glory they know.

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I'm talking about how people what people do with their hearts and how much they love. That's how you people that's how we see it. We aren't listening to God. We're listening to us.

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Do you argue that God doesn't want us just to love each other as we would just.

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No, no, no. I would never argue that at all. That's love God as God first and then love each other second. That's absolutely what he said.

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But I'm saying, where are you going to hang her up? Because she doesn't use the name God and Jesus, grace her and love her. But God probably is going to Oprah.

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That's what I read his worth reading. OK, I say that there's a difference between religion and spirituality and we're confusing the two.

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Religion is probably filled up after you have a spiritual experience of some sort, after you have had some image of the divine religion as a structure that absolutely restrains and keeps the spirit back, the greatest sin that is created here on Earth. And I was told this by God, if you can believe that I experience God, that in that is fear and guilt, because Satan or negativity will bind you to it and it will keep you from progressing, keep you from going on and keep you from learning about God.

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It's a control. I know some people say this is interesting because you said this this man just said, but that's not one of the seven sins. But fear is the root of all the sin.

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The first sense of guilt is the fear of what happens in the afterlife. What creates those fear?

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Psychologists saying, well, because Satan put off on his universe, was convinced in the universe that he didn't exist.

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And he still we all know this darkness exists. We know that we know that we have the choice between us.

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That is the key.

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And the most important part of spiritual growth is the key to unlocking and get rid of any of those asked God to forgive us when we do wrong.

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I think the biggest thought, that's what we need, forgive us, going to get into an argument over when the biggest sin is. Let's get back to your question. The big question is, if you weren't inhibited by fear and then when you use the word fear, people say things like, oh, it's the unknown. What we're trying to convey here is that for every dark emotion, feeling dark experience in the world, the root of that is always fear.

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You look at jealousy in your life. You look at your inability to move forward because your fear of confrontation. You look at every problem that exists in the world. If you break the problem down, it comes back to fear. Would you agree with that?

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I'm not talking about afraid to go out into the world, afraid to leave your home and so forth. We're talking about that kind of fear, right, Betty? Absolutely. That kind of fear. And I was told that that kind of fear will keep us from God, allowing the spirit of Things to actually allow the spirit of the God and the light to come into you.

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And the light will chase out all darkness, which the darkness and the fear that lies within us, and then we can expand and so on.

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And so all the darkness is a result of people being afraid, afraid.

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They're afraid. That's OK. And your fear is what I think my biggest fear is of other people. I think everyone has all these rooms. Arguing so much today is they're afraid that other people aren't going to agree with them or that their opinions are going to affect other people in an adverse way. I think we need to quit fearing each other and start communicating.

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Cathy was telling me about, you know, being New Age. And I would like to say this, go on record. I am not New Age anything. And I resent being called that. I am just trying to open a door so that people can see themselves more clearly and through seeing themselves can perhaps see the light that gets them to God, whatever you wish to call that.

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I don't see the spirits in the trees. I'm not I don't sit in a room with crystals. I don't see the spirits in the air.

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No, there is a difference. Yeah, but when you embrace some of this stuff, this this angel stuff now, you guys gave the angels all the power. God gave the angels the power to be angels.

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No solar power.

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I will tell you that the angels lead you to something else, to God and as we call it. But it is impossible to understand God is so limitless that you need a mediator not to be finished. So they need angels. Yeah. Let's hope you finish that because it isn't that you just need angels also. They're there.

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I think that one reason I'm trying to get across to people is going through these two experiences and being with literally a hundred people going through this experience that the quality of this life, that there is a spiritual system by which we leave this world and how we come here, and that comes from God. The greatness of God isn't the point how to live a better life as a human being, how to be in touch with the spiritual part of yourself as a human being.

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That is what I try to do every day on this show, through every example, whether it's anorexia or or child abuse or whatever we're talking about today is to open the door so you can see that there's something else I want to say.

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I think that everybody is different and each person's experience of God is different. And we must respect that to someone who sees God as Jesus.

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That is very precious, very sacred, very holy, very real.

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Another person sees God as Buddha, and we must absolutely respect each person's entry into God. It's like the spokes of a wheel. The center of the wheel is God. And there are many paths all leading to that center.

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That's what I've been trying to say to. It's the Jesus in us that that's what I absolutely agree. You think Jesus is bigger than the word? It's not you and me.

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We don't have the control. I, I, I think we're just talking about Jesus. And I know I don't want to go I don't want to sit here and not let anyone know that Jesus isn't my life. I love Jesus. Don't stupid. Don't talk about Jesus. Don't try to talk about I. I was embraced by Jesus. Yeah. And so I can't deny him Jesus exists for me.

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And it was told to me during my experience that anything that keeps you from God is a sin and it's not good. And that can be religion, that can be other people, that can be anything but eventually, even after death, that we are going to continue in growth until we learn. And this is where my experience is. Jesus comes in that Jesus is the son of God. We're going to come to that after we die.

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No matter what we did in our lives, no matter if we were agnostic, no matter what, do we all go to heaven?

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Do we all get to go to heaven? We begin to early.

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The early process is that a person goes through is that but remember, Jesus was the Christ.

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When you hear the term Jesus, Jesus, the Christ, the Christ is a Greek only about Jesus Christ our consciousness and is love it that as I said, this is another job.

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I am not interested in creating these spiritual matter as a religion. And I think it is wrong for us to speak speaking in terms of religion rather than in terms of spiritual. You're saying is there's one God, but he created Buddha. He gave everything that he's made. Your point. Absolutely. You have made your point. Why? What he had to say. I am a Christian. I've been so patient. It is what happened. Why wouldn't he do that?

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He that would she do that? Because, you know, there's such diversity in the world. Why would he do that?

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Yes. In Old Testament and New Testament says this. You love the Lord God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength that your whole being you love your neighbor as yourself.

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That's what Jesus stood for. That's in the New Testament. That's in the Old Testament.

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Religions say there. And what the other religions, the religions say that comes to mind and strength.

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And your neighbor as yourself, please. So every religion says that. Every religion says this every single day. Tell me what what religion says that I want to know. This thing goes into an epic of Gilgamesh. Everyone do believe some real life stories, some that predate Christianity, religions that predate Christianity. By 2000, they're still doing it is easy.

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And the burden is like, why did we make things?

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Why do we complicate things by focusing on separations about religion? Religion is one. If we love each other, that's really doing a great thing and adding to to the good in life and stuff like that and not judging each other.

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You said said I said, I said it's just all about love, received the love from God and you can spread it to everyone else. That's right. And knowing that that's where it comes from, that's where it is. God God knows that we're the of and there are just the systems by which we apply it in everyday life, religion.

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We're just separating each other, fighting, arguing there's no right or wrong if religions created by man.

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Yes.

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The sisters, you all have been able to do something that we have not done in this audience to say despite our differences in beliefs. The key is that we respect each other. And I love what Sophie said. If this woman over here would respect me, I get respect for my sisters and I respect their beliefs. We do. That's such a huge part of each other. It's love, Judge.

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Not this is my family. Well, I will tell you. Hey, I told you, if you got that little book of big questions, you could start to stuff in your house.

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Thank you very much, Jonathan, and all of you for being here. Thank you very much.

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It's been interesting think. I'm Oprah Winfrey, and you've been listening to Super Soul Conversations, the podcast you can follow Super Soul on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook. If you haven't yet, go to Apple podcast and subscribe rate and review this podcast. Join me next week for another super soul conversation. Thank you for listening.