
Coach Jon Gruden In Studio, Week 16 Picks And Preview, Chargers Big Win, The Jets Are In Disarray Again + Fyre Fest Of The Week
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- 20 Dec 2024
We had a great Thursday Night Football game to kickoff the weekend and the Chargers are back as well as the Bengals new life (00:00:00-00:09:37). We talk a little College Football before the first round (00:09:37-00:16:34). Week 16 picks and preview for every Game Saturday/Sunday and the Jets have a new story that is even more Jets than anyone could've ever imagined (00:16:34-01:27:41). Picks and Fantasy Fuccbois (01:27:41-01:36:59). Coach Gruden joins the show to talk some ball, who's going to win MVP, whats driving him nuts in the league right now and more (01:36:59-02:18:47). We finish with fyre fest of the week (02:18:47-02:42:53).You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take
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And holy shit, do we have a great football weekend ahead, but that game was awesome.
The chargers come back, spurned on by the first free kick in, what, 46 years
in the NFL? 2 pivotal moments.
Yeah. The free kick before halftime.
Which is awesome.
Rarely use free kick. Yep. If there's a penalty and there's 0 seconds left on the clock, you can do an untimed down or you can just do a place kick. And I don't know why why more kickers don't take, like, the the 15 step run up. Yeah.
They try to boot it 75 yards like it's a kickoff, but it was the first 1 that's been made. I think the chargers had the last 1 before this.
In 79?
48 years ago.
Wow.
That's how long ago it was. So there was that. That. And then the other pivotal moment.
Yeah. The other pivotal moment, Justin Herbert, sliding and the personal foul call that pretty much changed the listen. I I think the chargers were running like, their offense and what they were doing in the second half was phenomenal. But that was a pivotal moment in the game that if you're a Broncos fan, you have a right to be upset. Yeah.
Because, that went from a possible field goal for the chargers to a first and goal. They scored. They ended up ripping off, I think, 21 unanswered points in the second half. Justin Herbert
That touchdown pass that he threw as he was falling down.
That's the guy. That is the guy. When people are like, oh, Justin Herbert's only, you know, social media quarterback. What I don't even know what the criticism of Justin Herbert is anymore because it never made sense to me. That's the guy.
I think now the criticism of of Justin Herbert is that, people were angry to the phrasing and the backlash to that. And then when he didn't win, people then did the backlash to those people that did the backlash. Yeah.
He's got another playoff game.
That's where we're at we're at today. But right now, this is big. It's big for, for 2 teams Yeah. Tonight. Yeah.
The chargers increased their odds of making the playoffs. Hank? They will make the playoffs if they can get wins, I believe, by the Colts or excuse me. The Colts have to lose this weekend. They have to lose to the titans, and then they need the dolphins to lose to the 40 niners this weekend.
And they'd clinch. And they would clinch Yes.
This weekend. And it was also big for our Cincinnati Bengals.
Yes. The zombie Bengals, they are not dead. So this was so massive for the Bengals because the Bengals play the Broncos next week. If the Bengals win on Sunday against the Browns, it will get to that preview. It's pretty simple.
But if the Bengals win against the Browns on Sunday, they'll be playing the Broncos next week to potentially get to 8 and 8. And then if they win week 18 and the Broncos lose, they would be in over the Broncos. Now the big part of this, though, is the Bengals need the Chiefs to lose 1 of the next 2 games.
Games. And they're tough games.
Yeah. They're tough games. But if the Chiefs win their next 2 games, they will have clinched the 1 seed because they're 2 games up right now on the Bills and the Bills obviously have the head to head tie breaker. So the only way that you need you need the Chiefs to play in that game in week 18, not rest starters, but the Bengals have a lot more life than they did, 12 hours ago.
It's crazy. And and, obviously, week 18 would be against the sealers. That could be a tough game for him. Yeah. I'm guessing the Steelers would still have something to play for, whether it's seeding or or whatever.
But, yeah. And don't get me wrong. The Bengals don't have any easy wins regardless of what they they've proven that they can they can lose to anybody in heartbreaking fashion. But this schedule, it's not it's not like the easiest schedule, but it does shake out about as good as you can hope for the Bengals right now.
You know what it was? Going into this game, the Bengals needed either the chargers or the broncos to lose out. That was the only way they were gonna get in. It was very much preferred for it to be the broncos to lose this game because they play the broncos. Yep.
So they control a piece of their own destiny. No. We yeah.
We said the 5%. That's a that's a wrong number. Yeah. It's a fat 5 percent. What is that now?
8. 12. 12? 12.
12. If they like, they have to win out, basically. But if they win this weekend, it's 12.
12. Yeah. Yeah. They have to win out. And, again, they need the Chiefs to to lose 1 of these 2 games.
But I put it at 19%.
I need this because we it feels like we haven't we it feels like 1 through 6 or yeah. 1 through 6, 1 through 5 in both NFC and AFC have been set for a month and a half. Yeah. We need a little drama. We need a little something getting us juiced up for week 18 so that we have some games that are like, you know, whatever that Sunday night game is gonna be week 18 to get us ready to go.
So I Yeah. I mean, this was and, I mean, the Broncos I think the biggest issue for the Broncos was, their defense just ran out of gas in the second half.
Yeah. The Chargers defense at the start Was that? They were getting gash.
Yeah. Dude, just run all over, and then it just flipped. It flipped after the the free dick. Yeah. The free dick.
The free dick flipped the whole thing. But, yeah, it was it was the Broncos defense has been elite all year. And then in the second half, Justin Herbert went nuclear. And you now it's just it's hard to win in this league, PFT. Week to week, it's hard to win in this league.
Holy shit. What did you just pull up?
I don't memes is trying to tell
me something. To spread shit.
Memes that like, half the time he's back here, he's telling me to look things up that just don't make any sense.
But I there's there's a win by win calculator for the playoffs. I was trying to find that for the Bengals. Okay.
I was like,
if they win versus the Browns, it's 12%. But if they win versus Broncos, it could be 65%.
Got it.
God. Every different website has their own metrics that
go into it.
They're they don't match. 1 will say that the Bengals are, like, 14. 1 will say they're at 13.
I apologize.
The math. The math. They don't control their own destiny, but they they they basically do. Yeah. They basically do.
They basically do. Because, I mean, if they win and then next week is the biggest game ever because it's between the 2 of them. Ever created. Ever created. And then and then week 18, anything can happen.
Anything can happen.
Say
that. Anything can happen. So and, Max, our chargers our chargers need the Steelers to the chargers getting the 6 seed and the stealers getting the 3 is was where you have a real chance. Because I don't think the Chargers the Chargers listen. I thought they were cooked after that first quarter and a half.
Mhmm. They get off the mat. Their defense is still, like, taking a big step back in the last, I don't know, whatever it's been, 6 weeks. But if they can just get into that dance and have 1 matchup that, you know, I think they could beat the Steelers. I don't know if they could beat the Ravens.
I don't the death sentence is the 7th seed, it feels like. But I'll tell you what, the Buffalo Bills, if they get the 2 seed, the last team they wanna see is the Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah. That's the only that, like, you you don't because that's the Bengals the the crazy thing about the Bengals is they can't stop anyone. But if you get in a shootout with the Bengals, like, anything can happen.
Their seasons made no sense. This would just continue that trend and and make it make even less sense.
Yeah. Chargers look good. Chargers fought back well. Oh. I'll I'll admit that.
Yeah. Yeah. I I still don't looked
like a good team in the second half.
A physical team.
Yeah. And JK Dobbins should be back maybe next week, which that has been, the big issue is that their run game has not looked good. I mean, even tonight, if you take out Gus Edwards' 43 yard run, he was running I think he ran, like, 13 times for 20 yards. Yeah. So they they they still have not been able to j JK Dobbins is on track to return from IR next week against the patriots.
Yeah. This is fun. I love football. Do you guys wanna do just real quick any any any game you love, in college football? I know we talked about it on Sunday or or sorry, Wednesday, but we do have the college football playoff.
I'm so excited for Indiana Notre Dame. That's the 1 I'm excited for. So excited for that game.
It's JMU versus Notre Dame.
Yeah. Can't wait. I and I am actually I mean, like, I'm listen. I'm excited for all the games. I'm I think I'm equally as excited to see Tennessee, Ohio State just because I just don't like, what is Ohio State right now?
I feel like we'll know within the first 5 minutes, and I'm I'm I'm dying to find out, like, where their head's at.
It's also just that that game is guaranteed great takes after no matter what. Correct. Because Ohio State and Tennessee fans, like, 1 way or the other, it's there's gonna be nuclear reactions.
They're so mad at each other already too. It feels like they're already the fans are already playing the game.
I also I'm starting to fall in love with, possibly betting a large amount on Penn State on Saturday because, like, all the talk about Indiana Notre Dame, all the talk about Tennessee, Ohio State, This is this could be this couldn't be less of a big game at all for Penn State. Everyone loves Penn State. This is where James Franklin shines, though. 11 AM or noon EST, but that like, no one's talking about Penn State SMU. This is basically this is Penn State bringing in a Mac team.
Counterpoint, it is big noon Saturday. Yeah. I'm actually that might be a big SMUs. I I'm I'm I'd love the SMU
all day.
White out. I don't
they made it a big game by making it
a whiteout. And I'm I'm saying a lot of this tongue in cheek because the takes, if we wanna talk about takes. Yep. Penn State lost that game. The takes would be
But it'll get drowned. Yeah.
It will. I guess.
Now, Hanks. Right? If Ohio State loses, the takes will get drowned.
The yes. But but Penn State losing SMU would be take city. Take city USA. What do you got, Max?
I thought we were getting a snow game for a second, but it'll be a high of 27 at State College on Saturday.
Mhmm.
It's gonna be cold
It's gonna be cold. From Dallas. Dallas. The voice from Cold.
The Atlantic Coast Conference.
We played in the cold. Man, we was cold. It was cold.
So who
do you got Saturday?
Which
game? Oh. 4. Just Wednesday. Friday and Just winners.
Alright. Winners.
Alright. So I honestly think that Notre Dame is probably gonna win, but I I really want Indiana to win. Yeah. I got Penn State. Yep.
I got Texas. I got Tennessee.
I got, I think, the same. I got Texas Texas I have Texas circled as mine possibly blowout game.
12 5 ups that happens every year. That's true. Hank, you had a tweet earlier this week. It's a good segment.
Where you Hank had a tweet. Yeah. Where you said, the Winston Churchill documentary? No. That wasn't it.
Were you watching 1? Yeah. Give it to us real quick. 60 seconds. That's
super interesting. Really, really interesting guy. Great war documentary on Netflix.
Was he a good guy?
He yeah. Yeah. He cared about good. Was he a fat guy?
Loved to drink. Loved to smoke.
Started every day with a drink and a smoke.
Yeah. Loved war.
Yeah. But for a good
for the good for the good guys.
Loved the cigar and a side
of war. Stood stood stood on business.
He that's right. Be big time. Get goddamn right here. God kinda cucked.
Yeah. Stood on business.
USA and and Stalin.
I saw a stat today. It was like a survey that was was done of, I think, European people. And it said, which country do you give the most responsibility to for winning World War 2? And, number 1, I think, was England. Number 2 was the United States.
Number 3 was, I think, France. That was tied with the USSR, with Russia. Yeah. It's crazy. Sorry.
Yeah. No. No. That's good. I like that.
No. You said, said, you've been on a heater, and your brain says that 1 of these teams is gonna have an upset this weekend. You just gotta figure out which 1. So have you figured out which 1?
Indiana and Clemson are the 2 horses I'm riding.
Okay.
I think the weather I think the big I think the weather is big 10 weather. It's tough to go against Penn State and Ohio State. K. I think Indiana's got a shot, and I think Clemson has a real shot.
Because Indiana's big 10. Notre Dame's
not big. What do you like about Clemson? Championship coach, championship DNA. Mhmm.
Texas kinda chokers.
Mhmm. Mhmm. Lot of hype. Clemson's been I mean, they've not been good against anyone 1 good.
Championship DNA, though.
It's again, I don't know a
lot about club football, but
I you do not agree that there's gonna be they're all big fans.
No. You're right. I understand.
There's gonna be at least 1 I'm gonna bet on 2, unless Indiana wins, and I might
not. Then it's, like, the upset already happened.
Yeah. Yeah.
We gotta start thinking about it in, like, March Madness terms of, like, the team that got hot to win and get in, and then they had to win and get in.
That's definitely not how we have
to start thinking about it. No. No.
Not at
all. Point. Like, they came out of nowhere, won their conference championship tournament.
Won the won the whole thing.
Yeah.
Only way that they were gonna be able to get in.
Yep.
And then they play the team that lost Stole
a bid.
Heartbreaker. Stole a bid from a blue blood in Alabama. Yeah. Got left off the bubble.
But Texas goes down early, like, the pressure. Like, they're gonna they might collapse.
Yeah. It's true. Mhmm. Okay. We got anything else?
Congratulations to the 2024 Lomax trophy award winner. It's Tyler Crowe from Boise State. Yeah. That huge well well deserving award going to Tyler Crowe.
I'm happy Boise State got some hardware.
Yeah. I mean, some would say I heard some people online saying Ashton Gentry system running back. Not us? Us. Not us.
Not us. People are also accusing you of trolling and the low man of committee of trolling.
No. No. The He he he blocked for the best running back in college football.
And I don't think they realized the committee. Yeah.
The committee is made up of mostly fullbacks, like the best fullbacks of all time on the committee. Right. And then, we have Hank and Tom Fornelli, Liam Blutman. You got your Brandon Walkers. You got your, big cat PFTs.
But it's 90% fullbacks that watch and care.
Yeah. He literally blocked for Ash and Jenny having an a season we've never seen before. So Maybe maybe
the best college football season of all time. He deserved it.
So Mhmm. And he's got
a great mullet. Yeah. Fantastic.
And we're gonna get to watch him in the playoffs. Yeah. So Yeah. Low man award winner in the playoffs.
I love that representation for all you youngsters at home.
Yeah. Okay. Let's kick it to ourselves. We got weekend preview for week 16, then we have coach Jon Gruden in studio, and then Fyre Fest of the Week. Okay.
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We're here. We got a few teams still still fighting for those playoff spots. We got Saturday football, which was news to Hank. Saturday football.
They're doing Saturday football so that they can get the teams that are playing on Christmas Correct. An extra day rest. Correct. Which is Which is very nice of Roger Goodell.
3 games in 11 days
Thank you, sir.
Is insane. Okay. Let's start with it. Saturday football. Texas to Chiefs.
Chiefs, minus 3a half, over under 42a half, all lines on DraftKings Sportsbook. Is Patrick Mahomes the new big Ben? He just bounced back.
He's not even on the injury report anymore. Now I don't know kinda predicted. We said that he has the ability to just not be injured.
Yeah. I don't know if he's the full new big Ben because he doesn't milk the injuries. He just gets, horrifically injured in the moment. We all say, oh my god. The season's over.
This sucks. No more Patrick Mahomes. And then he just is fully fine the next play.
His tendons, they bend in a weird way and then just snap back into place.
Longevity. It's a serious thing. He's I mean, it's pretty insane that he was a full participant in practice. People were thinking the high ankle sprain. Either that or they just have the greatest training staff of all time.
They could. Which absolutely could be the case. Absolutely could be the case. But, Chiefs at Texans, I I hate this Texans team. I'm not gonna lie.
They're just they're they're tough to watch.
Well, they haven't beaten a team that's over 500 yet. Yeah. So they're o and 2. To their credit, they haven't played a lot teams that are over 500. Yeah.
They've only played 2. Yeah. But, yeah, they, they don't seem like the same Texans from last year.
Yeah. So even last week in their win, they had less than 200 yards against the Dolphins. Remember I said I was like, I feel like Joe Mixon is boom or bust. Well, I looked back at it. And, so Kansas City has the 7th ranked rush defense according to DVOA.
Joe Mixon rushing. So last week, he only had 23 yards, which is you'd you'd think that he'd have more yards because the Dolphins have the 20th ranked, rush defense. But he had a 101 yards the week before against the Jaguars. That's the 21st ranked t, rush defense. He had 22 yards the week before that.
So boom bust, against the Titans, 9th ranked dvo8 rush defense. Then a 109 yards, boom again against the cowboys, 28th ranked, rush defense. And then 46 yards bust against the lions with the 11th ranked defense. So anytime he's had to play a top 12 rush defense, and, again, the the the Chiefs are 7th, he has been bust. And if the Texans can't run the ball, I really don't like this offense.
Yeah. I it's probably fair to say though that he had an injury in the first half last week.
Yeah. That's fine. Yeah. So that's that was the anomaly, but the other ones are very you can very much say, like, oh, he plays a rush defense that's 20th or worse. He's gonna have over a 100 yards.
Oh, he plays 1 that's 10th or better. He's gonna have under 30 yards.
Yeah. The, the Texans defense is making I was about to say they're making threats. They're actually pointedly not making threats against Patrick Mahomes.
Yes. You
see what Tim Settle said? Yeah. He said, Mahomes better make a good decision. I ain't making no threats. I'm making promises.
Promises made.
That was just him playing or not?
Just saying he make a he better make a good decision
Yeah.
On whether or not he can play, whether or not he's mobile enough to scramble. Carson Wentz also said that he's preparing as if he were the starter.
Please don't.
Good yeah. Carson, I mean, I get good job saying the right thing to the press, I guess.
I I would imagine how that went is Andy Reid probably sat Carson Wentz down. Andy Reid was like, hey, Patrick is actually totally fine. It's not even an injury. He's full participant. So thank you for, you know, spot starting last week or or or coming into the game, but we're not gonna need you to do anything different this week.
And he's just like, okay, coach. Cool. I'm gonna go prepare to be the starter.
Yeah. But please don't. Yeah. But please don't. Don't.
Yeah.
And he's like, no. No. No. No. I don't think you heard me.
He's like, no. No. No. I got you. Prepare to be the starter.
I
would love to see Carson Wentz doing the the walk into the stadium, the fashion walk, what he would wear if he were thinking that he was gonna be the starter, because I actually think it would be more boring than if he were the backup. Yeah. I think he gets more boring the more relevant he gets.
I also think that Carson Wentz, like, you should want him to not prepare to be the starter because he's the type of guy it feels like if you just like, hey, Carson. You're in. He might not have enough time to realize, like, I'm Carson Wentz.
Oh, yeah. So the anxiety leading up to the game. If you told him he wouldn't sleep Friday or, I guess, in this case, he wouldn't get sleep on Thursday or Friday night. Right. So by the time he rolls up to the stadium, he's all nervous and lack sleep.
And you don't want him all week standing in front of his mirror being, like, I am Carson Wentz because then he'll slowly be, like, wait. I I am shit. I am Carson Wentz.
Is it crazy to think that if you gave Carson Wentz a different jersey with a different name on the back, if you named him Peter, Overmeyer. Althinsaka. Overmeyer. Peter Overmeyer.
Yeah.
If it said Overmeyer on the back of his uniform, I would actually be, like, let's see what this guy can do.
Yeah. Does he We haven't
seen this guy before.
If he scores a touchdown, will he put out a QR code for Madden codes?
Yeah. But the Wentz the Wentz on
the back. Yeah. The Wentz. What are
you gonna say, Max? I think he's gonna cook.
Carson Wentz isn't playing. Well, if
he were, I think he'd cook. Yeah. That's actually
the safest thing
you can say about Carson Wentz.
I saw I saw Max's Max's face through the glass, and he he had the face like he was about to eat a bunch of meatballs. He was just kinda, like, nodding to himself. In Carson Wentz.
I believe in Carson Wentz.
It was a big miss on our part when we were talking about the the Colts' recent history of sad, old, broken down quarterbacks. We left Carson Wentz up.
That was our bad. Big miss. Big miss. I guess I like the the Chiefs in this game, but I I don't know. 3 and a half makes me nervous just because the Chiefs play every game to a field goal.
Is this is this the week, though, that's a surprise for us?
No. Because listen. The Chiefs have they play the Texans who are not bad. I'm not I I know I'm sounding down on the Texans. I just think it's weird because the Texans, I had I had hoped for them this year to be maybe a Super Bowl contender, and they've instead just slotted into, like, the traditional AFC South team that will lose in the playoffs, because I just don't think their offense feels broken.
So it's not that I don't think that like, they're they're not bad, and they could maybe win this game. But the Chiefs, they are 2 games up right now on the Bills. They play the Texans. Then they play the Steelers in Pittsburgh, who might be coming off a loss to the Ravens. If the Chiefs drop 1 of these next 2, they have to play their starters week 18.
Yeah. So it's it's not like I know that they're week 18. Yeah. So it's it's not like I know that they're in the driver's seat, but it's not completely they gotta they gotta keep their their foot on
the pedal. They get the number 1 seed if they win and the Bills lose or tie, or yeah. They they get the number 1 seed with a bills loss or tie or a tie and a bills loss.
Yeah. And, do we mention DJ Humphreys is out? So that's that's bad. Yeah. That is bad.
So if I think it's gonna be ugly game because I think both defensive lines are gonna dominate both offensive lines.
The Texas offense has been just so boring this year that it's if this were the 3rd year if CJ Stroud had 2 great years to start his career and then this happened in the 3rd year coming off to, like, disappointing playoff losses, then I would put some stock in the like, maybe they're saving something.
Yeah.
They're saving the wrinkles, the real stuff for the postseason. Yeah. But year 2, it's like something something is not the same.
It just feels a little broken. Okay. Other Saturday games, Steelers at ravens. Ravens minus 6 and a half over under is 45. TJ Watt and George Pickens look or TJ Watt looks like he's gonna play.
Yeah. George Pickens looks like he might play. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.
TJ, I have a theory about TJ Watts' injury. K. Do you think he was actually injured? I don't know. I think this could be an art of war situation.
Mhmm. If you watch the replay of it, it was, like, non contact kind of. He was, like, he was pass rushing, but he didn't twist it. Nothing looks strange on it. They just start hopping.
The game was already lost at that point. They know they have the Ravens next week. Sun Tzu, art of war. No.
They're playing the Ravens right now. Yeah. Yeah. No. At the time Yeah.
Yeah. They know they have the Ravens next week.
Sun Tzu, art of war, make your enemy think that you were weak when
you were strong. Start throwing out the 1 in 10 without TJ Watts stats.
Yeah. Start yeah. Ridiculous. Let people start thinking during the week of of practice, maybe TJ TJ is not gonna be playing this week.
I don't hate it. I I because I went back
and I watched the injury a few times. I'm thinking maybe. Because, I mean, Mike Tomlin, when he talks, he sounds like he's the art of war that's been translated back and forth, like, 3 times from English to Chinese, English to Chinese back to English. Just a theory I have. I think TJ will be fine.
I think TJ will be fine. I I think George Pickens might play. He's been practicing a little bit. Yeah. I would love to see him play because we need more George Pickens in our life.
Just a reminder because this is just a don't think, just bet game for me. As an underdog of 4 points or more versus the Ravens, the Steelers are 8 and o against the spread in franchise history. And Lamar Jackson is 14 straight up and o and 5 against the spread versus Mike Tomlin and the Steelers in his career. And then when these 2 teams play and the line is 3 or more points, the underdog is 2343 against spread in this series in the last 20 years. Again, 2343 against the spread.
The underdog is 3 or more points. I just don't even since 2015, 16, 2 and 1 against the spread, the underdog of 3 or more points. Yeah. I mean, let's just take the underdog.
So 18 times these 2 teams have played, in the last 35, and it's been decided by 3 points or less. It's crazy. So it's it's always gonna be like that when it's Ravens and Steelers. It's also Lamar Jackson's first time playing in front of fans at home against the Steelers.
Oh, wow. Isn't that crazy? Like, he's been injured.
Like, because you would think that they've seen each other a few times at this point, but, yeah, he's been injured, had butt stuff, and then COVID, there were no fans.
Wait. What happened last year?
Let's see. 2023.
Did he he's Lamar's been insane. I know that there's a obviously, there's gonna be a MVP debate. I think the only that bothers me I think both both guys, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, like, their numbers are just insane. And Lamar's numbers I mean, 34 touchdowns and 3 interceptions is nuts. Mhmm.
It will just come down to I I think Lamar might win it just because he plays 2 stand alone games. Yeah. And that's all this award ends up coming down to. Maybe. I I don't know.
I feel like Josh Allen's been so good in big games, though.
Agreed. But it's the there's the amount of big games left. Like, I think Josh Allen plays the Bills, the
the Patriots.
Oh, sorry. The Patriots. Sorry. The Patriots, the Jets, the Patriots. Yeah.
That's whereas Lamar Jackson plays the Steelers on Saturday, and then he plays against the Texans on Christmas day.
Mhmm.
So that it's just all narrative. I was asking for us to get the I think I think you should be Josh Allen, but I also understand this award becomes narratives. We talk about it with Jon Gruden, but, like, remember last year
That's not a
thing. No. We I mean, it's, you know, it's more more in the NFL. They do the narratives. We don't do the narratives.
Has either 1 of them had a Heisman moment?
Josh did last year.
Did. Yeah. Passing, catching, and rushing.
The pat yeah. I'd say the, the run that he had, was a couple Pass throw. A couple weeks ago against that zone defense 50 yard touchdown run. That was a big 1. Lamar I mean, if he can beat the sealers at home because I I looked it up last year, it was Tyler Huntley.
Oh, he missed that game. It was Snoop. That's I forgot that he missed the game last year. That got he won the MVP.
I mean, that game got Tyler Huntley into the Pro Bowl.
That was 2 years ago, I think, when he finished
the season for Lamar. 2023. Yeah. You're right. Right.
Because it was January 1st
Yeah.
2023. Yeah.
So yeah. I'm just gonna take the underdog. Also, this was a I love when athletes give just honest quotes and they don't do, like, the cliche. Cornerback for the Steelers James Pierre was asked what the key is to, tackling who his cousin. His his cousin's Lamar Jackson.
Said, what's the key to tackling him? And he said, ain't no key. He's crazy. That guy's crazy. Mhmm.
Facts. No key. Lamar is crazy.
No key.
He's having an insane, insane statistical season. Yes. So right now, Josh Allen's my I want Josh to win. I'm just saying how these things work. He's got Lamar's got 2 stand alone games, and Josh has 0.
I think the narrative, though, of Lamar winning 2 years in a row True. Could swing it to Josh.
And Josh got dinged last year because his team's record wasn't as very good. Now his team's record is better than Lamar. Although Lamar did beat them head to head. We'll see. We'll see.
I think if you did a blind resume right now can we do that? Max, can you pull up blind resume for Lamar and and Josh?
How would I how would
I do that? If you just if you just showed us yards passing.
Oh, you want me to, like like, make make a graphic?
We we can do what?
I think Lamar hasn't beaten almost all of them.
Not touch not rushing touchdowns.
Not rushing touchdowns.
I think a lot of the other ones. Do you
want me to, like, I I saw a movie?
I'm just curious. Yeah.
Can we do We don't do narratives. Yeah. Can we do We don't do narratives. Alright. I'll But, also, don't do it like if don't do it if just just search on Twitter Lamar versus Josh.
They'd probably someone did it.
Yeah. That's that actually not true. So if we did blind narratives during college football season, I think we also would have said the guy that has stats at wide receiver
and And cornerbacks. Quarterback. Yeah.
That would have been an easy blind resume.
We don't do narratives. I still are you guys still getting some residual, Ash and Gente heat? A little bit. I got I have a couple people who are just hanging on. I kind of respect him at this point.
Yeah. It's like a week later, can't change it, and I'll just tweet, you know, like, oh, what a trick play in this bowl game. They'd be like, fuck you for the Ash and Gente hate.
But guess what? It it yeah. I was like, okay. Boise state. Tip my cap.
Boise state wins the national championship. You can then thank us for for giving the bulletin material.
The motivation. I mean, this is gonna take you forever, Max. And we're about to talk about the Commander's Eagles.
Yeah. Go for it. Go
for it.
This that stress I couldn't do it.
1 thing to note, and this is something that the Ravens like, if you're looking for holes in this Ravens team, obviously, their secondary hasn't been great, but they've getting a gotten a little better defensively. They are, through week 15. They are dead last in, penalties against. They're dead last in penalty yards against. Their dead last in penalties, per game.
Their dead last in penalty yards per game. They're the most penalized team, and it's not even close. And, that feels significant, especially when you're gonna play in these tight games in late December early January.
Mhmm. What do we think about Deontay Johnson with the Ravens? Him and the Ravens have mutually agreed to excuse him from playing.
That seems like the correct thing to do.
Yeah. Yeah. Being mutually excused.
I think he had, like, 5 targets total as a raven. Yeah. So it's been it hasn't been great. Has not been great. Okay.
Eagle Hank, let us know if there's any hunger dogs that you're seeing.
I love the ravens.
You do? Yeah. Oh, that makes me me nervous because you're a dog guy.
I'm a dog guy.
Okay. Eagles at Commanders. Commanders plus 3a half over under 45a half. I'll let you guys segue. I just had a question for Max first.
Okay. Max, are you worried at all about the curse of Jim Kelly? Please explain. The curse of Jim Kelly. Are you worried at all about the curse of Jim Kelly?
I don't know what that is.
Okay. So the curse of Jim Kelly is a curse that, just hit the the Internet. Dan Mitchell, posted it at, real Dan Mitchell. And essentially, essentially, it's, any quarterback that, goes to a Super Bowl and loses their first 1 never goes back to the Super Bowl. Jalen Hurst did that.
Are you worried about the curse of Jim Kelly?
There's a week biweekly. I'm worried about the Commanders.
You're worried? I'm just saying. Are you
focused on the Commanders.
50, do you think you should be worried about the curse of Jim Kelly?
I'm focused on the curse of Jim Kelly.
Do you understand the curse of Jim Kelly? Any any since Jim Kelly played
Again.
And lost his 4 Super Bowls, any quarterback that has gone to a Super Bowl as their first time going to Super Bowl and lost it never went back.
Yeah. I'm focused on it.
Stan Humphries, Neil O'Donnell, Drew Bledsoe, Chris Chandler, Steve McNair, Kerry Collins, Rich Gannon, Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Rex Grossman. All these guys are o and 1 and stayed o and 1 for lifetime. Colin Kaepernick, Cam Newton, Matt
Ryan, Jared Goff, Jimmy Garoppolo, Joe
Burrow, Jalen Hertz, Ryan, Jared Goff, Jimmy Garoppolo, Joe Burrow, Jalen Hertz, Brock Purdy, Jared Goff
So you're telling me that Joe Burrow can never win a Super Bowl?
I didn't say that. I said, are you worried about the curse of Jim Kelly?
That's crazy stat.
It's crazy stat.
That's a nerd. That's a nerd.
Shout out real Dan Mitchell.
Mhmm. Until the the recent updates to that list, it's not great quarterbacks on that list. No.
That's true.
But recently, I'd say in the last
couple even, like, Sam Newton and Matt Ryan. Yeah. Like, he never went back.
Yeah. Max, I'll tell you this. I'm worried. I'm worried about the Eagles. I think you guys might stomp us.
There's always the opportunity? No. What what does that mean? Like, I There's always the opportunity of a whopping.
Yeah. I think it is gonna be a whopping.
PFT, can I can I give you a positive for this game? Okay. You guys have the good vibes going because you had, both of your kickers mispractice, not as a couple separately. They both were expecting children. Yeah.
That's what's crazy. It's, like, it's been it's been a crazy year at the expecting children.
Yeah. That's what's crazy. It's, like, it's been it's been a crazy year. Things turned around in DC, and it's so good that our kickers are fucking.
Yeah. Zane Gonzalez, Greg Jacobs Joseph.
Both both our kickers are having sex
Yeah.
Which is crazy.
Again, not together. We weren't having a baby together.
Well, we don't know that. That's true. Love is love. Yeah. That's good vibes.
Things things tend to be positive after a win. You go back and you look at some good things that happened in the first half last week. Hopefully, our center's back because if we have that same offensive line that we had last week, the yeah. Eagles are gonna tee off. Yeah.
Get ready to tee off, buddy.
So, Max, talk us through this. Are you like, what's the vibe's gonna be like on on because this is for the NFC East. Correct?
No.
Well, if you win it, you clinch. Oh, that's correct. Correct.
But the the way you said that, I thought you meant, like, the winner takes the NFC East.
Well, if you win
You win, you get the win, we get but we just have to win 1 of the last 3.
You lock it up.
Okay. Yeah. But I mean, it'd be nice to lock up the NFCs. Yeah.
Home play. This is for the NFCs.
This is for the NFCs. This is for this is for the link.
Eagles to win the NFCs.
This is for a home game. Yeah. This is You don't wanna
come in the link.
This is may this is to make somebody come into Philly.
Yeah. No. You don't wanna do that. No. You don't.
Wanna do that.
You don't wanna make anyone go to Philly?
No. They all all no 1 wants
to go to Philly.
You don't wanna make anyone go to Philly under
8 circles.
1 game at home this year, and it was the game that I attended. But that's neither here nor there.
What happened in that game?
Saquon dropped the ball, and then we gave Kirk Cousins.
Kirk Cousins, too much time on
the clock. If you guys had won that game.
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we would be
You'd already the division.
But then again, we also shouldn't have won the Saints game, and we did win that game. So that's why
True.
I keep going back to of, like, I can't believe you we lost that game, but then I also can't believe we won the Saints game.
So
Yeah. So, Max, I I think that this is prime for a whopping for the following reasons. 1, our offensive line did not look good at all last week against, like, a mediocre Saints defense. 2, it feels like every position on your team except for quarterback and maybe Terry McLaurin is better for the Eagles.
Who is Terry McLaurin better than?
Well, he's having a great year.
Go to your head right now. You're take AJ Brown, Terry McLaurin, who do you take?
Be careful. PFT is gonna catch
Gun to my head this year right now.
No. Be careful. I'm saying right now. I Terry McLaren has 11 touchdowns. He had a great year.
Yeah. Correct. Year. Who's having Lauren. Max, who's having the better year?
AJ Brown or Terry McLaren?
Who's the better football player?
Who's the better person? I I think you want a friend. I think
you want AJ Brown.
I think you want AJ. A better person. I think you want AJ Brown.
But aside from the quarterback position, I just wanna put some respect on Terry's name because he should get respect. He's got, like, a 1000 yards in in every season since he's been in the league, basically. And, yeah, he just doesn't get talked about it.
Terry McClure over Devante Smith?
Yeah. Nashville Sports Podcast, Terry McClure deserves all the accolades. Mhmm. But besides the position quarterback, I don't think we have a single advantage over you guys.
Even that is tight. What?
At this point of their career, the quarterback position?
You said many times this year that you would take.
If I that is out of context.
It would be
if you had to if you had to take a position Yeah. Going forward Yeah. With contracts involved Gun to your head. You would take Jaden Daniels over Jalen Hurts.
Yeah. Well, we have we have Jaden Daniels and his contract on our team right
now. You you're you are just adding stipulations to this. Who is better?
Alright. Outside the position of quarterback, I don't think that we have anything that can do. I'm trying to give you a compliment, Max.
Thank you.
Outside the the quarterback, I don't think that we have a position that is better on our side.
Kicker?
I don't think so. I don't know.
Over 50 yards. Over sheer kicker made a 50 yarder this year?
Yeah. Several we've had.
Jake Elliott has not.
I'm willing to get at this see, at this point of their career, I'm willing to give you that 1.
No. I reject. Jake, when was the last time Jake Elliott had
a kid? Let alone 2. Great question. Yeah. We've had 2 for the price of 1.
But I is that good? That's good for your kicking game.
Yeah. Is it? Yes. Yeah. Yes.
It's a movie bump. What are we talking about?
I know for wide receivers, it works. I don't know about kickers.
We should we should do any time touchdown tour for your kicker.
I like that. So, Max, that that's why I'm saying I think that you guys are
in a position to to want. But it's the NFL. Anything can happen each
Any given Sunday.
Any given Sunday, you guys are at home. I'm excited. Have a shit field. It'll probably be 50% Eagles fans in the stands.
That's that's not true.
I'm ex I'm excited for
That's true.
No. It's not true.
You know that's true.
We we retook Rausch on Maryland this season. Okay. Yeah. We also do clinch a playoff berth, Hank, if we win and either a falcons loss or tie and a rams loss or tie, or if we win and a falcons loss or tie and a seahawks loss or tie.
There you go.
That does involve the Falcons losing to the Giants, though.
So And you also beating
And also us beating the Eagles.
I think that's gonna that's we'll get to it. Hungry dog?
Wow. The Giants? Yeah. Oh, the oh, no. I thought these are the I thought you meant the Commanders.
No. No. No. No. No.
No.
Ask Hank about the Eagles.
Hank, about the Eagles.
I I had a big gambling day on on Sunday, and then I put a big bet on the packers, won that. And then when we were doing the show, I was like, I wanna put a bomb future down, and I put it on the Eagles. I almost I have 5 grand on the Eagles plus 4.50.
That'll I almost
biggest that'll be the biggest bet I've ever won.
I almost did that mean thing, but I decided not to do it because maxed down so bad. I almost did the mean thing.
You should've.
I could still do it. What's the mean thing?
ABC after this weekend.
I'll just say it. I was gonna do I was gonna put a 20 k future on the Eagles at the DraftKings sportsbook in Wrigleyville and then send an email to the whole company and say, this is getting split evenly between everyone at the company under the only stipulation if the Eagles lose, you have to blame Max personally. I didn't do it, though. I didn't do it. I you know what?
I'm willing to I I would I would be willing to take that,
Chris.
That's the spirit.
Fuck. Yeah.
Let's go.
But then that would be literally, like, every single like, Nikki Smoke should be, like, what the fuck? Everyone but Nikki Smoke. No. No. No.
It's all or nothing.
He would be such a bitch about it.
Yeah. I Hank? I would just basically weaponize everyone in the office against you.
There's a difference between Hank having having the future and you having the future. Correct. Because Hank is a winner. And I'm Yes. I'm fired up to have
Hank. Travis Hunter, 200 k, buddy. No. Super Bowl winner. You can.
That guy that guy just When
was that time you won a Super Bowl, future? No. Oh, winners. Okay. Alright.
Hank also That's also been a while too. The Commanders win the Super Bowl.
That's true. True.
He didn't win the Super Bowl. And won on the Bears.
No. Oh. No. Thanks so much.
Yeah. So, Max, congratulations. I think you got this 1 in the bag this weekend.
I disagree. It's a away game. It's hard to win on the road in this league.
Alright. Well, I'm excited to watch you guys. Any stakes or no?
I gotta get a perm. Okay. So double? No. Well, double perm.
Here, the problem with the perm bed is my hair is curly already. And so
if I get a perm, it's like, oh, it just looks like he's wet. If I lose, I'll continue to have a broken foot.
Deal. Mhmm.
If I lose, I will I almost said something that I shouldn't have said, and I'm glad that I didn't say it.
Good. Sometimes my mouth gets in front of my brain.
I'm I'm very happy you didn't say it.
Good job. I'm not saying it.
If if the commanders win, I'm gonna throw Max's wheelchair into the dumpster.
Love that.
Fine. I'm, like, kinda walking now.
Yeah. You're kinda walking. Basically walking. Okay. Giants at Falcons.
Falcons minus 8a half over under 42. I mean, Hank already buried the lead. He's gonna take the Giants, but we should talk.
We He gets his his former Go ahead. Quarterback, the the guy that got you in a college football playoff as a husky, Hank
Michael Penech.
Turn your back on him.
So we taped on Tuesday in the afternoon, and we said that you should maybe think about Michael Pinnicks, and it was announced later that day. Michael Pinnicks was at Costco about to get a a dollar 50 hot dog when he got the call, and he said he wasn't hungry anymore after learning of the news. Doom. You gotta still eat the hot dog.
No. I like that. I like that.
Also, Kirk Cousins, called Michael Pennicks. Classy guy. He called him personally. And he said, I like to shoot elephants in the room, so I thought I'd go and shoot 1. Nick Nurse could learn something from that.
Poaching. Yeah. And Kirk Cousins, if that's the end of his career as the Falcons quarterback, he made $14,300,000 per win, 7,100,000 per start, 5,500,000 per TV, $330,000 per completion. And, also, Kirk Cousins, in his 14 games with the Falcons, $90,000,000 guaranteed, has the franchise record for most passing yards in a game. That's pretty incredible.
Remember, he did that against the playoffs.
Also, just round of applause for Kirk Cousins' agent. Yeah. Agent of the year. That's tremendous. He's always getting the bag.
I don't think that we're gonna see Kirk Cousins play another game. I don't think this is the
end of the game. Falcons? I don't think so.
Probably not for the falcons. Yeah. But he'll he'll go somewhere else. I think he's definitely he came back too soon for the Achilles.
And it still just shows just how ridiculous it was that the falcons did that, signing Kirk Cousins to $90,000,000 guaranteed and then drafting Michael Pinnick's 2 weeks later.
Yeah. 1 1 without the other. I mean, it turns out that it was a good move for them to draft Michael Pinnick's. Right.
And a bad move to It's a
bad move to sign Kirk. It's like they instantly regretted
having Kirk on their team. Actually, it might be genius. You just go both options so that at least you have a good option. You have a quarterback.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're saying with Kirk, hopefully, we won't be so we'll we'll be so good that we won't be in a position to draft quarterback that we really, really like in the future. So we might as well get it right now. It ended up working out for him.
So I like Michael Pinnicks. If you watch him when he especially his last year at Washington, he was just the most accurate quarterback accurate quarterback that you've ever seen. Mhmm. Throwing outside the numbers, attacking the entire field. And he didn't take sacks, which is that's gonna be a big 1 for the falcons.
Yeah. So he he got sacked, I think, like, 8 times or something over the course of the entire season last year.
He had a great offensive line too.
Yeah. It was incredible. So yeah. Fun fact about Michael Pinnocks, same high school recruiting class as Justin Fields.
Mhmm.
And Trey Lance is, Michael Pinnicks is 1 day older than Trey Lance, I believe.
Oh, wow.
So, yeah, that stat will get thrown out there a lot because I think he started college in, like, 2018.
Yeah. So, I I think he's gonna do well. I think there's a perfect start for him against Giants team that is so, so bad. And I'll say it because we got to. Every time there's some type of new change at quarterback for the falcons, this guy to unlock Kyle Pitts?
Yeah. Maybe. Probably not. Maybe. Probably not.
Yeah. I think he might be the guy to finally unlock Bijan Yeah. And give us a proper Bijan's in good Yeah. But, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
We all say we want more Bijan in the game plan.
Need more Bijan.
Now he's gonna be he's a lefty. So is that maybe Kyle Pitts just needs a left handed quarterback.
Yeah. Kyle Trask was not. But yeah. But still, I I it would be I I just like the idea of just Kyle Pitts existing for the next 15 years, and every time there's any little change, you're, like, could unlock them.
Mhmm. I also love the story about him eating a a Costco hot dog. Yeah. Michael Pennicks just came
out of the course.
In the in the food court. He's gotta eat it. He didn't eat it. Did he did he order the hot dog and then sit down and he had the hot dog? Did he put the He said
he was about to buy it, and then he decided he we got the call and said, oh, I'm not hungry anymore. Dude, you gotta fuck you you don't have that dog in you.
Literally. Literally. Yeah. He was in line. Yeah.
But maybe that's good for Falcons quarterbacks to not have any dogs.
Yeah. True. True. Okay. Hank, you really are gonna bet the Giants money line?
Yeah. There's no there's not a lot on the board this week. It is Drew lock. But as you know that, it's basically just taking a gamble on a on a rookie quarterback not performing well. Yeah.
Mhmm. Which is it's it's definitely a somewhat
of a coin flip. But Mhmm.
That's where my head's at.
Yeah. Do they do the boomer doom for the
for the hot dogs, or is it
just the double chocolate chunk cookie?
No. The chicken bake as well.
Okay. But not for the hot dogs.
I don't I'm sure they have.
Everything in Costco.
Yeah. They It's up for grabs.
Okay. So they should do
That's not the foundation of it of the boomer doom, though. That's chicken bacon, the double chuck chunk chocolate chip.
Got it. The the giant secondary should get They should be called the legion of doom. Yeah.
Or the legion of boom, and they they do big hits.
If they're good.
Yeah. Real fucking good. Okay. Lions and bears. Bears 6a half or sorry.
Bears plus 6a half over under is 48. The bears have not won a football game since, Jay Cutler got a DUI. That's interesting. Yeah. 66 days since their last football win or 67, I believe, 62 days since they got a DUI.
And it's, like, even longer for on American soil. Right?
Yeah. Oh, because of the Jaguars. No.
Oh, yes. Panthers. Yes. I think Panthers was before the Jaguars.
What week was that?
6. I haven't won a football game in 2 months.
It's a long time. I don't know if you're gonna win this 1. No.
Probably not. No. We're we didn't make a bowl. You knew that. You're a piece of shit.
What bowl game is Washington playing in?
I don't know. Yeah. I'm a UNC guy.
Oh, you're a UNC guy?
Yeah.
What what game are they playing? Well, they got it.
It's a new program, New Year.
Okay. My only note was if the offense doesn't look good against this Lions defense, I'm gonna get mad again.
Yeah. This is not prime time. I think that's fair.
It's not prime time.
I think that's fair. You need to see something.
And Lions are outside. Lions aren't as good outside. Mhmm. So that's good. Did you guys see the report?
Well, it was in the report. Arman Raff said it himself. He was sick before the Bills game, and he puked for the first time in his life. That's just a guy who's been living a way different life than everyone else who didn't go to college to be a professional athlete.
Does that mean he was never sick as a child? Does that mean that he's
I think so. He's never
condition that's been in great condition his entire life, which is makes sense.
But Also, like, how old is Monrod? 25? Do like, if you puke for the first time in your life at 25, are you like, oh my god. Am I dying? I've never had a bloody nose.
Yeah. I think
I've never
had a panic attack. I think that if 25 might have been the year that I puked the most.
No. I was mine was definitely, like, 20.
Because at 25 1 I'm I'm combining booze with also Yeah. 18. That's when you start to get a little bit of acid reflux.
No. Because I Freshman year college. Yeah. College freshman year college also, like, I yeah. I would I would just puke, like, 2 times a weekend.
No problem. Just every single weekend.
That's crazy to not puke.
Also, like, every time in my twenties when I was like, I'm gonna get in shape and then did a hard workout, I would puke Yeah. Because you are super out of shape.
Out of shape. I I also wanna say that, like, I I think that I was always I hated how you would get shamed if you puked in college. If you can bounce back, I don't think you should get shamed. Right? I think it's your what what happens after if you puke and then you're like, oh my I gotta go to bed.
I'm so drunk. No. No. I would just puke because I needed more room. Yeah.
If you can puke in rally, that shows the ability to handle adversity. Puking for me yeah.
We don't
know if Amon Rock can handle adversity. Is he a pussy? We don't know.
Yeah. Puking for me in college was just, like, what's the woman's name? Marie Kondo. I was just moving furniture around in my stomach.
Yeah. That that 20 Love
it or let it go.
Yeah. Right. I I don't love this anymore. I'm gonna let it go.
It did not spark joy. Yeah. So you got rid of it. Yeah. That's that's concerning to me.
To me, it's more of a red flag.
Yeah. Yeah. The Lions probably should win by easily, because the Bears are dead.
You guys beat him last year, though. Right?
We beat him last year at home. We almost beat him on Thanksgiving if it weren't for the time out. Yeah.
No David Montgomery is a real issue.
Yeah. Big time. Big time issue. Okay. Browns at Bengals.
Bengals minus 8 and a half over under 47. This is my circle quarterback game, Joe Burrow or DTR.
Yeah. I was just hoping for Jameis against the Bengals defense. So I was I was looking forward to that. Now we can always say, like, imagine imagine what would have happened if Jameis started this game.
Speed bump as we called it.
Good. It's just speed bump.
It's another speed bump for him to deal with in his career, and he's gonna continue pursuing his dream. And another team better give him an opportunity. Bengal, I did we need the Bengals to stay we're taping this before Thursday night football because I guess it doesn't matter if Broncos or chargers, lose. 1 of the teams is gonna lose, and the Bengals can spin it either way, but they do get to play the Broncos next week. I just like the Bengals still having something to play for.
Like, I get that Jameis gave you some headaches. I understand that. Jameis throws he throws interceptions. That's what he does. He threw some pick sixes, but he fixed the pick 6 problem and only threw interceptions in the red zone after that.
Mhmm. What else do you want him to do? Mhmm. DTR Is bad. Is not the answer.
He's not a quarterback. DTR, his only win was a 13 10 game against the Steelers last year.
He's worse than Deshaun. Yeah.
That it's not it's not gonna be better. You're not gonna watch and be like, thank god we made that change.
Right.
Now we look like we're James can get he can get you up and down the field. He just might not finish the drives in the end zone.
Correct. So do
you want you guys to have stat do you care about your receivers having stats? Yeah. Jerry Jerry, if you wanna improve your Madden rating
Yep.
You're gonna want Jameis throwing you the ball.
This is, it's a it's a classic situation of being, like, we gotta see what we got with the young guy. No. We don't. And we get it. We've seen it.
We know what we got with the young guy.
Yeah. It's bad. Like, DTR. No. Awesome college quarterback.
Loved betting on him at UCLA. No. Yeah. Not an NFL quarterback.
So if you look at the 2, Joe Burrow, DTR. Circle 1. DTR and DTF. Yeah. I'm taking DTF.
Yeah. Easy. Yeah. This is my circle quarterback game. I had that last week, Mac Jones or Aaron Rodgers.
Yeah. Circle 1. Okay. Titans at Colts, Colts minus 3a half over under 42a half. The titans the the Tennessee titans are 2 and 12 against the spread.
That is remarkable. Good for them. 212 against the spread. We also had Brian Callahan. I I kinda like the titans this week just because Mason Rudolph and Brian Callahan had to answer to the, questions about his team being soft, and he said, I think it's complete and total bullshit.
That means you just don't watch this shit. You can shove that right up your ass. Mhmm. I love that.
I loved it. My when I first heard it, I was like, good for him, but also who called the titans soft? I don't think we've ever said the titans were soft, did we?
Yeah. I don't know who did. I Is that is that bad?
Is that discourse that's being had out there? Yeah. They're bad football teams.
They're really bad.
211 against the spread. They're a bad football team. They're boring. We didn't say that they're boring. Yeah.
But I don't think we ever said that they were soft. A bummer. He also said that, teams know that they just played them when they get done with the games. Yeah. Because they win.
Because yeah. Well, they win. Yeah.
They're like, oh, shit. We won.
No. But he was saying it like they remember they remember that that's that's the titans we just played against.
No. Because they
left an impact. I would say that it's the opposite where you want teams to not be able to remember who you are because you just knocked the shit out of them. Yeah. Or they're confused after the game.
Also, I I think that really is like the like, the jaguars played the titans 2 weeks ago, and they knew they played the titans because they're like, holy shit. We just won a game? Yeah. That was crazy.
When we come off the field, they know they just played us.
Make them remember forever. Remember the titans. The day they played the titans.
Yeah. Yeah. This game stinks so.
So in the NFL script, it's always that Mason Rudolph is gonna get a start before Christmas. Right? Mhmm. Like, legally, they had to do that just so that people can make jokes about it.
Do we think that I I need Jonathan Taylor to run with if he scores a touchdown, run with the ball all the way back to the bench.
Yeah. So my my fix to that as a coach would be to tell my running back all my players, if you score a touchdown at this point, I'll take I'll take the excess excessive celebration penalty. Yeah. Do whatever you want in the end zone. I don't give it act like it's a gun and then go around and execute every single player on the defense.
Do whatever. I'll take the flag.
Mhmm.
Just don't but you have to have the ball in your hand.
Yeah. Some, like, AI or drone program needs to figure out a way, like, where, you know, it's almost like running with a grenade. And if you drop it in a certain zone, it will actually blow up in training camp. Yeah. Live ammunition.
Yeah. I don't mind that.
If you drop the football in this zone, maybe there's a landmine that only is, activated with balls.
At the goal line.
Yeah.
Yeah. You set up well, because no. If it was like an invisible fence, then it would every time a a player has a ball because they do this in training camp anyways. Every run that they have, finish every run, get to the end zone. So you set, like, a 15 second timer of explosive inside the grenade, and it you have to cross the goal line with the ball for it to be deactivated.
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Memes? Lot to talk about this game. Rams and Jets. Jets plus 3 over under is 46a half. Memes, have you been on the Internet today?
On and off. Did you do any reading?
Read some headlines.
Yeah? Yep. Did you read anything below the headline?
I read some things below the headline.
Okay. So what did what did we read? What did we learn today?
Yeah. What have we what have we learned?
That the Johnson family names their kids after erections. Okay.
Yeah. Woody Wait. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
But they get harder. Hold on.
Hold on. Hold on.
Woody and Brick.
I don't want I don't wanna say anything bad about Brook. Brick. Brick and who's the other 1? Well, Woody. Okay.
Yeah. But Woody but who's the other son? Brick. Brick and Woody? Woody's dad.
I don't know. The Whatever. That's him.
Just I
don't wanna say anything bad about the son because there was a report that came out today, that essentially the the Johnson Sons might be influencing decision makings at the NFL level. And I just wanna say, these kids, what, like 17, 18 year old kids in New Jersey
I think they're in college.
College kids from New Jersey, maybe an SCC school. 5050 chance they're AWLs. I'd say higher.
I'd say higher. We might
be shadow, GMs of the New York Jets. Our decision making might be influencing the New York Jets. So I'm standing with Brick.
I actually
Do whatever you want, bro.
I think that the problem is that Brick doesn't have enough power. Yeah. I feel like he's being limited. Like, 1 day he will own the Jets the the way that teams get passed down. I feel like Brick, it's time to just unleash full Brick.
If I I can't I'm fully brick, though. I can't I can't wait till next year when James gets announced the the starting quarterback for the Jets, and Woody Johnson's like, we thought he was gonna be a perfect bridge quarterback to win a Super Bowl. And we're just like, oh, shit. That's exactly what Meme said.
Yeah.
But, yeah. The report came out. A lot of dysfunction in New Jersey. A lot of dysfunction. It starts with the recent, anecdote that we shared that, the Jets were at the 1 inch line of trading for Jerry Judy this off season.
And Woody Johnson talked to his boys and his boys were, like, yeah. His Madden rating is too low. So that trade was x ed out. He ended up getting traded to the Browns.
Great
season. There's reports that, 1 of the Suns is giving away game balls. That is true. That 1 was tough. That's true.
Like, basically, jumping in front of the coach to give away a game ball. It was it was Ulbrich's first win as a head coach.
He he took it from Aaron Rodgers' hands and gave
it to
Gave it to Jeff. Jeff. Jeff.
Che Che
Che Che Che Che Che Che Che Che Che Che Che Che Che Che Che
Che Che Che Che Che Che Che Che Che I heard that that Brick was actually named after Debrickishaw.
Oh, that's kinda cool. Yeah. They also, have been heard maybe talking ill of the players in the locker room after games.
The Mike White. Yeah. The Mike White story that, he played he had broken ribs, and then Woody was in the locker room. And Mike White threw his helmet, and Woody goes, you should throw your helmet. You fucking suck.
Yeah. There's a story about, the 2 Bobs, which, is an homage to office space where, they have Woody brought in 2 guys from his investment firm who just go around doing interviews with people, seeing what they do for a living. There was coaches fired for no reason. What else? What else?
That's that's most of the headlines right there.
Yeah. Yeah. It's most of most of the alleged headlines.
Okay. So alleged. Which 1 which 1 of these is not true?
Well, we have to see if any other reporters fact check that. But I'd Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna wait for more information to come out.
So who wrote this? By the way, it
was Mike Silver. Mike Silver, who RG 3 came on the podcast, called him a liar. Mhmm. Diana Orsini, who I've came on this podcast, called him a liar. Yeah.
And Zach Rosenblatt.
Okay.
Yeah. So memes, what about the parts in the article where the team confirmed that the stuff happened?
The Broncos confirmed that it happened.
No. No. No. The, the the spokesperson for the jets said that they use Madden as a reference point As a reference point. Not determinative.
Yeah. Confirming that that happened.
I mean, it is a quick way to figure out if someone's good or not.
And what about the part in the article where they talked about Woody Johnson and the team spokesperson said, yeah. He apologized for saying that Mike White fucking sucks in the locker room.
Oh, so you have to Mike White
being sucked that
Time out. Time out. Okay.
We That's a fair that's a fair response.
Time out. We've done everything wrong here. Can we please call him by what he likes to be called? Mister ambassador? Yeah.
Mister Everyone everyone in the building has to call him mister ambassador.
Yeah. And there was the part of the article where when he left to go overseas to be the ambassador to England and his brother who also he co owns the team. Yeah. But Woody's like, this is my gig. His brother took over and was just like he was a chill guy meme behind the scenes.
Just like you guys do what you yeah. Just do.
Do your thing.
Like, as an owner, I think I would buy a team, and then I would probably act a lot like Woody Johnson the first, like, 2 or 3 years.
Mhmm.
And then I'd just be like, you know what? I'm too rich for the
Well, he's only on the rest
the jets for, like, 2 or 3 years. Right? Mister ambassador? Yeah. He's owned it since, what, 24 years, something like that?
Yeah. Oh, yeah. 24 since 2000? Something like that. Yeah.
Yeah. Something like that. Memes, this is bad. This is bad. Still waiting to see if it's true.
Alright.
So so
How are you gonna find out if it's true? I'm curious
to I'm curious to know how Memes thinks the media works. So now that the stories come out, then there will be other reporters that go to the Jets, and they're, like, hey, can we confirm that that stuff is all true? And then that that's the story you'll pay attention to.
Yeah. But I also told Hank about this a month ago that it was possible that we were the shadow GMs. Oh, you did. I did. Because they it was, like, week by week, Davante Adams we said Davante Adams, they signed to Davante Adams.
We said, Son Reddick, they signed to Son Reddick. It was week by week, so he might actually listen to the podcast.
Alright. So what's the next move? Oh. Because we we're we're brick guys. Yeah.
We're big time
brick guys.
More responsible.
By the way, I'd just like to say, as it pertains to Davante Adams, I think Tony Soprano said it. Remember when is the lowest form of conversation. So worry about the Jets, Davante Adams, and not remember when, you know, stories. You guys see his story on Kay Adams show? No.
He's a
good story.
He said, oh, I'm sure read a bunch. He said talking about when he they would play the Bears late in the season. He said, we didn't go into that game after worrying ever worrying about are we gonna win. We were thinking about how crazy we were gonna go. Can I set a record?
Mhmm. Okay. So memes. We're, again, we stand with Brick. We're Brick podcast.
We love Brick and his brother. I don't know we need to know
his brother's name. He needs a cool nickname like Brick.
Get get it. Get his name.
So, memes, what's the next move?
Give Mike Vrabel $200,000,000. Okay.
Mike's gonna appreciate that. I have another question about the Jets. You were talking about this to me earlier. What's going on with Aaron Rodgers and who who who's he in a fight with?
Oh, yeah. Aaron Rodgers is fine with Ryan Clark.
Oh, it's like a it's it's like a 10 round fight.
And it it's both guys being, like, we don't give a fuck what the media says about and doing, like, videos that are very explicitly meant to generate more love from whichever branch of the media they're fawning for. Mhmm.
Yeah. And I unfortunately have to defend my quarterback. So if you have a vaxx, you're bad. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, your owner literally is the heir to Johnson and Johnson Mhmm. The vaccine
company. Is Aaron Rodgers the last guy on Earth who cares about COVID?
I think so. Yeah.
I think I think he might be. Like, I don't even know. He's it's like him and and Taylor Lorenz.
That might be when he did Ayahuasca for the first time, so his brain is stuck in 2020.
It's crazy. I was like, what are we even talking about?
He was cooking defending himself, and then it just
He was. I stand with Aaron Rodgers in this because I want him back on the podcast at some point. By the way, we have an answer from earlier. The question was, would you rather have Jaden Daniels or Jalen Hurts and Max at Philly's?
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's not an answer. But memes.
Yes.
There was another part of the article that I noticed, and it kinda made sense for me a little bit. The jets, they didn't hire any referees for training camp this
year. Yeah.
And that's a standard practice. And then now they're the 3rd most penalized team. Is this a form of legal bribery that every team does where they just they pay refs to to come to their training camp? And then it's like, hey. You're on our payroll.
We gave you money. Let's be nice.
I'm I'm not sure about the refs.
But isn't that weird that teams can pay the refs directly? And then if you don't pay them, then the refs can be like, you didn't pay us this offseason.
Yeah. Yeah. And then what do
you We're gonna take the flags out.
Woody always does talk to the refs before
the game, which is weird. He does?
Yeah.
That is weird. The owner?
Now we should be both we should play both sides here and be a fair and impartial media presence. The spokesperson also said, Woody Johnson just seeks out and welcomes feedback and debate. We wouldn't have been named 1 of the best places to work in New Jersey if people thought that way. There's never been a complaint.
Mhmm.
So they're on 1 of those lists of best workplaces.
So that that is true because Ryan Fitzpatrick went on a podcast a couple weeks ago. He said that 1 Jets Drive is, like, 1 of the 1 of the greatest places. Yeah. It's just we have a fan that's in charge of our team and makes reactionary decisions and goes, we lost 1 game. Everybody's gotta go.
Mhmm.
That's awesome, though. Yeah. It's kinda the dream.
What's the That's
why we need Mike Vrabel, who's a winner. Hands off.
What about what about
Pete Carroll?
Hands off.
Hands off. Now he's so old. Pete Carroll mentioned the Jets today.
He did? Like, saying what? Like, man, that was such a crazy
Like, 911?
Story? No. Yeah. No. I think he's like, I I wouldn't mind.
I wouldn't mind if they brought me in.
I would take yeah. I would take Pete. There you go. You see who else I interviewed for their GM job?
Who's that?
Who's it? Nagy?
The guy
Nagy? Matt
Matt was
it Matt Nagy?
Jim Nagy.
Jim Nagy. Jim Nagy. The guy runs a senior
ball senior senior ball.
So we might just get everybody from the senior ball.
Oh, okay.
Just getting everybody from x, the everything app.
Yeah.
No. We're in trouble. Yeah. Still trying to figure out if the report
is here. It's Jack. What happened on X? Rick and Jack. Jack is the other son.
Shout out, Jack. We're Jack guys as well. Mhmm. What's that, Hank?
I said, what happens on X?
Everything. It's all happening on X.
Yeah. It is.
Sign up today. You you are the media.
I didn't finish it out. Hey.
You no. I don't think you heard you are the media on X.
True. By the way, the as for the game, memes, do you think you're gonna win?
Based off of everything that happened because we know.
Okay. But West Coast, East Coast.
Yeah. Aaron Rodgers also ain't no lifetime against the Rams.
Yeah. It's cold as shit. He's got a chip on his shoulder.
That's yeah. The cold is a real thing. It's gonna be 20 4 at kickoff, and the Rams played 4 outdoor games under Sean McVay where the temperature was 35 or lower, and they're 1 in 3. So the only the only game they won was when they beat the Broncos, and Todd Gurley had 208 yards rushing. So I feel like I feel like they're the Rams are gonna run the football.
Yeah. I think the Jets are gonna run the football too.
I have a question that's not related to this or the report. And I I gotta watch it myself to come to a conclusion, but my initial reaction is that it seems crazy to be this spiritual go on these retreats to escape everything, but also film it all for Netflix documentary. Oh. Is that, like, is there any element of there?
Hypocriticism. Is that hypocritical? Probably. But I bet you he's getting paid a shit ton of money. Yeah.
Yeah.
So no. So because then and then that gets more trips to Ayahuasca ville.
Right. Yeah. Just seeing that they were filming it, I was like, wait a second. I thought these were, like, spiritual retreats where you're supposed to, you know,
escape and find yourself, but
it's like, you know, let's let's film this. Yeah.
I didn't wouldn't that freak you out more if you were doing an Ayahuasca trip and you had cameras in your face?
But I think this adds to his, like, I'm telling my story
Yeah.
So nobody else could twist it.
Legend.
Aura. Like, I'm actually a good teammate. Jordan loves my guy.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think I might not come back next year but I might come back.
I I think you guys can actually win this game. 88 and o. 8 and o. Aaron Rodgers versus Rams. Best, I think that's the best record against another team.
You know what the second best is? This 1 will shock you. Another undefeated, 7 and o. Does that have it? Pitchers?
No. Tom Brady was 7 o against cowboys, but he lost in a playoff game, so he gets technically 7 and 1.
Josh Allen, Dolphins? No.
Tua Patriots. Patriots. Oh, I did not know that.
Yeah.
To a 7 and 0 against Patriots.
Like what I did earlier with the Sean McVay stat of him being 1 and 3 in cold weather games. Yeah. Those are the Jared Goff stat. Mhmm.
I just put it on. We don't do narratives. No. We just put it on Sean McVay. Narratives.
We don't do narratives on this podcast. Okay. Let's let's rip beams. You good? You're you look confused.
Yeah. I'm confused. I just don't. How do you get someone to sell a team?
I don't know, dude. I'm trying to do the same thing. Yeah. The the only way is to implicate them in some sort of financial crime against the other owners.
Yeah. If you could yeah. You can do anything. Federal probe.
Yeah. You could do well, no. Because the federal probe's about sexual harassment. Like, that, they didn't care about that. You have to you have to make the other owners think this guy's costing you money.
Yeah. Meebs, you you you know, like, when you when you play, like, the sandlot, when they do the thing where they put their hands on the bat Yep. See, that's basically what we've just been doing about, like, embarrassing franchise stories this year between the Bears and the Jets. So I'm appreciate I appreciate that you're back on top.
Yeah.
I just got a lot back.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the athletic obsessed with the Jets.
Yeah. Yeah. You take it. Well, I mean, I'm just gonna throw this out there. So Mike Silver
wrote
this story about the Jets. He just finished a book about the 40 niners. Was there anyone who coached with the 40 niners who might have been a scorned person in the Jets organization? Jonathan. Oh, yeah.
Robert Saleh. I love when these stories come out. It's like, well, I know who wrote this.
Yeah. The the problem is when you have a a dysfunctional organization, then you have a lot of people who are very willing to become sources Correct. Articles like this and, like, tell everything that happened behind the scenes.
I think Robert Saleh just handed Mike Silver his journal. He's like, here's my diary. Go ahead. Write a story.
Yeah.
And I know that you think The Athletic's been obsessed with you guys' memes, but
I mean
if I know. I know. If Diana Rossini wrote a tell all article about the dysfunction, say, for the Patriots at the end of the season, would you be like, okay. I believe that?
Yeah. She'd be I mean, I'd be her number 1 fan.
That's probably the only way that that she can get memes back.
Memes, you gotta start a running tally because we'll probably see Diana at the combine, and we'll have her back on. So have a running tally of all the questions and and stories that she needs to, you know, you know. I mean,
for all we know, Max didn't shit himself on that flight.
Yeah. True. Mhmm.
Wait. Now you're being mean. No 1 said shit himself. Yeah. No 1 said shit himself.
Woah.
Wait. Max, did you shit yourself?
I don't even remember farting. I was asleep.
Okay. Let's move on. We'll we'll power through some of these. Cardinals and Panthers. I don't know.
Panthers plus 5. Over under 47. I'm gonna take I'm gonna take, the Cardinals. I don't fucking know.
Yeah. The the real question, did we learn our lesson last week about the Panthers? Yeah. I think I did. I think I learned a good lesson.
Yeah. I got really nothing except that Kyler's probably probably won't be under a lot of pressure, and the Cardinals will be able to run the ball. And that's usually a, you know, check mark check mark. I wanna bet on the cardinals.
I think I'm gonna bet on McBride to score a touchdown till he does. Yeah. So receiving I'm in. Receiving touchdown. He's got a rushing touchdown, fumble recovery touchdown.
Kyler Murray said that he was gonna get him the ball in the end zone. I'm I'm gonna go down with that ship.
Yeah.
I might double down on it every week responsibly for when it doesn't hit.
I'm in. I'm in. Okay. Afternoon, Vikings at Seahawks. Seahawks plus 3 over under 42 and a half.
It looks like Geno's gonna play. The Seahawks season kinda comes down to this game because they I mean, they have to win out. It will come down to week 18 against the Rams, but this is very important. I don't know. I don't know.
Kevin O'Connell should be coach of the year?
If Gino plays, I
I kinda like
I think I like the Seahawks to cover.
I don't think I've gotten the Seahawks game correct this year, both on and against. I don't think I've gotten a single 1 correct. Yeah. If I bet on them, they get killed. If I bet against them, they kill the opponent.
They surprise you. You don't know what you're gonna if it's Sam Howell listen. I love Sam Howell. I was in that haliband for a short period of time, but he did not look good.
No. He did not look good. He did not look good.
And I don't know. Gino is like he is the epitome of just a completely schizophrenic quarterback 1 week to the next. So who knows? If he starts, I think I like the Seahawks, to cover, but the Vikings are the real deal.
Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. The Vikings are very much real deal. The Vikings are going for the 1 seat, which would be I mean, it it they kinda were just laying there in the weeds, everyone talking talking about the eagles.
Vikings are right there, and they control it all because they get to play the lions in week 18. So what? Oh, yeah. What are the tiebreakers?
I don't know.
I saw some tiebreaker.
I saw some scenario not necessarily. I forget. I saw something on Twitter that that went through each each scenario for the Eagles to get. It wasn't too detailed, though, to be honest with you.
Pretty sure it's a fight. Here
it is. Okay.
Like, there is scenario 2 is win out, lions lose 1, e eagles win the strength of victory tiebreaker, but there is a way that they win that tiebreaker. I just don't know what that way is.
Do we know what the strength of victory tiebreaker is? We tried to figure it out at the
last time. Know. I don't I don't know. But according to this graphic, there is a way that we we win the tiebreaker over there's no way we win the tiebreaker over the lions. There is a way that we win a tiebreaker over the Vikings somehow.
I don't I don't know how.
Okay.
I think scenario 1 is the most likely. Yeah.
For for this game, I I do have 1 stat from, my guys at Sportsinfo Solutions. The Vikings are 1 of the heaviest play action teams, and Seattle is, 1 of the worst play action defenses in the NFL. So could see a lot of play action, maybe some deep shots to to Jay Jettas. They're just so good. Yeah.
Addison and Jay Jettas. Okay. Patriots and Bills. Bills minus 14 over under 40 6a half. I think the Bills can
what? Need it. Hungry dog? No.
No. No.
No. I saw your face. I was like, what the fuck? I was just saying the Bills can name their number. When you
say when you say need it, you're saying We need
a whomping. You need to get whomping.
Yeah. Oh, you wanna get whomped? Yeah. Because you want your mail out, your odd mail. You hit this through the report?
No. For Abel McDaniels.
Oh, that's a combo?
Yeah.
You don't that's just people for j hold on. John McDonald. Had Mac Jones in the Pro Bowl. Hold on. Hold on, though.
Hold on. This would make me scared, tank. Because Vrabel McDaniels yeah. What happens if Vrabel goes somewhere else? And they're like, well, we do could just do McDaniels.
Yeah. McDaniels was halfway in the door already.
He's he's a problem. I'm like, that that's fair. I mean, obviously, the the the he has very bad track record as a head coach.
But Very, very bad.
But not he's at least, like, we right now have a defensive coach and a terrible defense. At least we would have an offensive, you know, genius with a, you know, an offensive or new quarterback. So I wouldn't necessarily want him as head coach, but the report that I was reading was Rabil McDaniel. So I want that. And that that, you know, the the thought that Robert Kraft wouldn't get rid of Mayo because of, you know, pride, I think he knows.
It's, like, you know, let's keep it patriots Keep it Super Bowl champions. Like, he would do that. That makes that seems like something he would be okay doing.
Yeah. I just I think that it's it's very, very dangerous. Josh McDaniel's awesome offensive coordinator. Right. Very, very good.
You'd but it's a little dicey now where the, you know, the Raiders stopped. It seemed like there was some fucked up stuff going on there. Yeah. But he already he had he had he had already gone from offensive coordinator with
the Patriots, failed head coach, came back and was a great offensive coordinator.
Sure.
Like that, I if I agree, I'm not saying I want him as a head coach. Right. But Vrabel would do the same thing. Do
give
me that like, give me Vrabel and McDaniels, and I am pumped.
I'm thinking soupy. We're biased. Vrabel's a friend of ours, and and we think very highly of him, but that couldn't work out better for him that he didn't get a job last year. I know he wanted a coach and he didn't get 1. Like, every single team wants him.
He gets to pick whatever team and whatever number he wants. Mhmm.
Yeah. It's pretty good
for him.
It's a good situation. So you want you want a whomp, and you are begging for whomping right now?
You wanna be spanked? Yeah. Daddy? Yeah.
You're a little sub.
Yeah. Oh, shit, Josh.
Yeah. Get your dominatrix in here. Love that. Get whipped. Love that for you.
It it might be a whipping. For sure.
Yeah. No. I the Bills can do whatever
they want.
Yeah. 14. 14. Bills can do whatever they want.
And they're wearing the Patriots jerseys, as you said, which is a weird choice. I don't I don't love it for this game. It's gonna be confusing when you watch it on TV. Be like, wait. Okay.
That's the Bills because they're scoring.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, give me whopping. Okay. You want the whopping?
I think the whopping will probably happen. I think the Bills can just score whatever they want, and that's it.
Yeah. They could set the record for the most 30 point games in a season.
They're on 88 right now? No.
I think they've got I
think they're 6 in a row. They've got 11. Yeah. So they're 6
in a row. And the Broncos have the record. The Broncos Peyton
Manning Broncos?
I believe it was. Yeah. They had 13 30 point point games in a season. So if the Bills need to win out scoring 30 points in each game, and then they have the record all to themselves,
I think
they can do it.
Okay. Jaguars, Raiders, Raiders minus 1a half over under 40a half. We're not talking about this game. Right?
No. We don't talk about we don't preview the Jags. Hey. Can you tell me what happened with the Hawk 2 a coin? Again?
Yeah. Has there been an update to it?
K. You already told her?
She's still asleep.
Oh, okay. No updates.
The SEC is suing her.
Why? Greg Sankey? What a dickhead.
The the the whatever the financial SEC.
Okay. Got it.
For doing a rug pull. She made 1,000,000 of dollars.
Oh, so she did actually make 1,000,000 of dollars. Yeah. Wow.
Do we know that?
Yeah. I'm starting to get to the point in my life and age. I'm just missing stories. Like, I I I know I know Hocktula. I know that there was a rug pull.
I did not know that she actually got away with 1,000,000 of dollars.
I don't I don't know if that is entirely accurate.
I think she denies it.
Yeah. 0, 0, 0, that's good. Then we gotta take her word for
it.
I don't I don't think that she Group
of investors is suing Hockto and not SEC. I don't think SEC can sue like that.
Okay.
Yeah. I don't think that she created the coin and, like, wrote the code and then engineered the rug pull where she, like, dumped all the coin. I feel like But
is there a rug pull without Hoch
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Lawsuit claims
the token was improperly marketed as a security without being registered with the SEC leading to significant financial losses.
Miguel, let me ask you a question. Is there a part of you that thinks if you invested your money in the hakto'o a coin Mhmm. That you should have seen Mhmm. Something exactly like this coming.
Mhmm.
And then maybe you should try to sue yourself
for
being a fucking moron.
It's the Financial Darwin Awards. Yeah. We should we that's okay. That that thins the herd.
Yeah. I don't I'm not saying that she was, ethical. Yeah. But I'm saying, come on. And I say that as a talk to a fan.
I'll I'll admit that. Yeah. It's a good podcast.
That would be funny if they're soon to get spit on.
I'm gonna go to bed. I'm gonna go to bed, guys. I'm kinda tired. See y'all tomorrow.
Okay. That was our Jaguars Raiders preview. 40 niners and dolphins. Dolphins plus 1 over under 44a half. I like the 40 niners in this game.
Also, Terry Hill says it's time for me to go coach.
Yeah. I saw that. I I read it as it's a fucking a man situation. Yeah. Did he say it's time for me to go coach, or is he saying it's time for me to go coach?
I saw it. Because it was right after Mike Vick. I've originally thought he wanted to get cut, and then I was like, no. He wants to get cut loose.
Okay. So that's a third option.
Yeah.
Does he wanna get cut? Does he wanna get unlocked? Or does he want to go coach
college football? Yeah.
Yeah. We don't know.
We don't know.
I read today that the 40 niners might be down to what that'd be their 5th string running back. Mhmm. Because Garrindo might not play.
I think Garrindo got hurt in practice.
Is he?
Is that Izzy?
Izzy? Izzy? Izzy season?
Izzy. Izzy 2 touchdowns this weekend.
Izzy 2?
Oh, yes. Izzy 2 I might have to start Izzy.
They should start they got Banjo. Right? He's on the they he should
start Kazooie?
Banjo is that's a 5th string instrument.
Oh,
that's Izzy. Izzy, let him go.
You're just showing us Izzy running. Okay. In the case of You're just showing us Izzy exists?
It was a tweet that's a reminder. Recent 40 niners running back edition Izzy ran a ran an official 441. He seems like a strong potential Shanahan scheme fit.
Patrick Taylor.
Fucking pick him up. Who's Patrick Taylor?
Set to be 49 is 4 starting running back.
Patrick Taylor.
Okay.
Maybe mix in some easy.
Yeah. Def definitely give us a little bit easy. People forget that he ran a 441 second 40 yard time at his pit pro day.
Yeah. Got you. Unofficial. Got you.
That's maybe the least inspiring tweet that I've ever read. Yeah. He ran an unofficial 44140. Remember
that. Remember that shit. Alright. Last up, bucks of Cowboys. Cowboys plus 4 over under is 48.
I don't know. Bucks?
Oh, I love the Bucks. Yeah. I love the Bucks.
He's gonna take the Cowboys? Liam Cone's been awesome.
Oh, my hungry
dog, I
think, is gonna be too. So the hungry dog is plus money on the year. I'm not gonna get crazy. I think it's titans, giants.
Titans, giants. You're not gonna get
crazy, but the giants
Oh, great.
Oh, great. That's a little crazy.
It is a little crazy. I'm a crazy guy.
You are a crazy guy. You're wild and crazy guy.
I don't think I don't think the Cowboys would be crazy. And I like the Bucks. I just think that the Cowboys have been playing good.
Yeah. They've been okay. 13 out of 4. Maybe. I don't know.
The the the slate kinda takes a tail. It just falls off a cliff. Mhmm. We've been Viking, Seahawks in the afternoon will be nice, but everything else is
So I I much like you guys, I have to reinvest my money. I put it immediately on the bills to win the Super Bowl and the NFC, the Bucks to win the
Super Bowl Nice.
At 30 to 1.
I just went I just put all my money back in the banana stand. Yukon 19 to 1. There you go. So always money in the banana stand. Okay.
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Okay. So here's what we got this week. We're gonna do our TD parlay. What do we got?
I have Mike Evans. Mike Evans. Okay. He needs 18 receptions, 251 receiving yards, plus 1 TD for 3,000,000.
Okay.
So I'm probably gonna also bet his reception's over.
Love that. Okay. Brian Thomas junior.
Okay. Brian Thomas junior. Like it?
I will go can I do Sunday night?
Yeah. Bucky. Bucky Irvin.
Okay.
Bucky and Mike Evans.
Oh, yep. Fuck.
That's fine. That's fine. Fine.
Yeah. You said it with a conviction. I'll take it. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. You said it with a lot of conviction. Also, on Sunday, when you're watching our streams, you you'll see PFT and Max face off. We we also so we did our NBA Cup, competition.
It was a 4 way competition. PFT said he was the hottest NBA Cup gambler. Turns out I'm also just as hot as a gambler. We're equally cup were equally as hot, so we split. So is it for a 10 k bonus bet?
We're gentlemen. We were, gonna just be like, alright. Well, you should take 5 k. No. No.
No. We'll we'll we'll reap we'll put it back in the pot, and we'll make another competition out of it. So on Sunday on the stream, it's gonna be me and Max versus Hank and PFT. We're gonna do a draft on the late slate. Each of each team has to pick 5 touchdown scores.
The most correct wins the free bet. And if it's a tie
where we hit all our it's the most touchdowns. So if there's multiple touchdowns
Yeah. For your guy. Yeah. Tiebreakers. So we'll release all those till you'll see them.
So I think Max said it best. Hank's a winner.
Hank is a winner.
So I'm happy to have him on my side.
He's a winner. Okay. Let's do our picks. What are the standings?
Hank, 15 and a half points first. Me and big cat, 15 points. PFT, 13. Max, also 13.
Oh. We got a tie. It's getting tight. Max is perfect last week. Right?
Yeah.
It is wide open. No.
It was wide open. 1. Alright. What do we got? Max first.
I got 1st.
Max c. I will be taking the niners minus 1. Shit.
You knew I wanted that.
The Pittsburgh Steelers.
You knew I was 6
and a half.
Yeah. You knew I wanted that, Max. Why would you do that to me? I am going to take the Cincinnati Bengals minus 8 and a half. I will
take the Ravens minus 6 and a half.
K. Buffalo Bills minus 14?
Wow. I will
take Woah.
Woah. You're right.
You're right. Right.
Do you wanna say it?
Nope. I fucked that up last time and I lost.
40 niners, dolphins over 44a half.
I will take right? Yeah. Me. I'll take the Jets Rams under 46a half.
I'll take the Jets Rams over 46. I know
I wanted that 1, Hank. I will take the Giants Falcons under 42.
I like that.
I will take the Cardinals Panthers over 47.
I hate that. Yeah. Gross, dude. Ew. Fine.
Yeah. Ew. Fine. Alright. Let's before we get to coach Gruden, do a little fantasy fuck boys brought to you by our friends at Body Armor.
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you. Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Nice to
meet you. Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, big strong man. Physical man. Big smart man too. I say to him, the New York Yankees.
Wait. What happened? They just signed Cody Bellinger.
Yeah.
His wife, Aaron, Aaron jumped from Mike Staehan's ex girlfriend. I forget which 1. John Carlos Staehan. Either 1. Bad locker room vibes, bad team, bad city.
Fuck the Yankees. Yeah. It's gonna be an issue. My sleeper, Octor.
Oh, no. Octor, spit on that thing. She's still asleep.
It's been 12 days. Lost all my money on the Octor coin.
She might be asleep.
Oh, no. Going about low jobs. Haktor.
Alright. Alright. What's up? It's, Vinny Vinny Testaverde. Vinny Testaverde.
Vinny Testaverde. Vinny Testaverde. My stardom is, the Pro Bowl. Oh. Because they're doing the skills challenges again.
Hell, yeah. And they're making guys punt. They're making guys punt and and throw at the accuracy targets. Basically, trying to get back to what it was like in the in the late nineties back when the Pro Bowl missed
something. Yeah.
I'm sitting cave exploration because 1 of our Italian friends named Octavia Piana had to be rescued by a 150 people from the same cave in the Alps for the second time in 2 years. Oh, whoops. Maybe just stay the fuck out of that cave.
Yeah. Don't go there. Stay out of the cave. Don't go there.
My sleeper is, Barry Sanders because I think you could step in for the 49ers this weekend and still
run for him.
Probably be a good option. Barry Sanders looks like he gets still cut off.
He said Bernie Sanders.
Easy. Don't don't go political. Barry Sanders. What's up, fuckers? It's Dan Marino.
My stardom is Sammy Sosa. He's welcome back to
fucking wearing while I'm in this van?
Sammy Sosa.
Hey, Danny. What? You want a little dust on the table?
My oh, my cinema is weird podcasters like you guys trying to make me feel uncomfortable in a van.
Didn't wanna talk about OJ.
Yeah. Didn't wanna talk about OJ. The juice the juice is loose. My sleeper is Josh Allen. I think he's gonna score some touchdowns.
Josh Allen. Need it. Also, Dan Marino, victim of the historic Jim Kelly curse.
Jim Kelly curse. Jim Kelly curse went to the Super Bowl, lost it.
Lot of people on that list. It was surprising.
Yeah. A lot of guys. Lot of guys. Alright. Did you do Jon Gruden?
Oh, yeah. Sammy Sosa's, welcome back. The Ricketts are the worst. They basically made him apologize, and then he didn't actually really say anything. Mhmm.
But they're like, okay.
That's good. Yeah. It was the 2 it was the 2 biggest, like, nonstatements of all time. And it was just like, we
we need to shame you
a dozen years for you to say I'm sorry. And then he was like, I I'm sorry, I guess. Okay.
I did a lot of things that I regret in but I also tried really hard. But, yeah. The Ricketts were like, we need to just you it's it's shame torture, and that's the only way we're gonna let you come back.
And it's like he had that statement welcoming back prepared and just he all that needed to happen was, like, press 1 button.
Yeah.
And he's had that for
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Okay. Our very good friend and colleague, it's coach Gruden back in studio. Coach, you've been at Parcel for about a month now. How we feeling?
Undefeated, man. I haven't lost a game.
That's a great feeling.
You you've been so much fun to watch. I mean, is it I feel like you're starting to get your your feet under you on the
Internet and how this thing works. Right? I'm trying. I got to do something with the Righteous Brothers. I got to do something with George Brett.
I'm trying to cross train a little bit and get into some different things. I even made street tacos. That was kind of my claim to fame, but I am having a blast meeting some really cool people and, like I said, getting better as every day goes by.
Yeah. Has there been anything that you've been asked to do where you you don't understand why you're doing this
at all and then absolutely all of it. I mean, let's be honest. I don't even know.
There's no you know, you take pride in a lot of intense preparation when you're coaching. I mean, you really sit in a dark room and you plan all these different contingency plan everything from a to z. But I show up here. I have no idea where we're going with this show. It's a great Mhmm.
Spontaneous creative vibe that I get from Barstool.
And the people love you. You've been you've been a massive hit. Everyone's everyone's feeling nicey. You spread nice here.
About that. Is that a great saying it.
Yeah.
I keep saying it got me feeling nicey.
I was at Chicago last night having dinner, and 1 of the waiters, I was at a really nice restaurant. And a waiter came up and says, how do you like that steak, mister Gruden? I said, pretty good. He goes, does it have you feeling nicey?
Yeah. It does. That's incredible.
Did anybody, take your picture in the airport and then, post John Gruden's
in Chicago? Maybe possible beer's opening.
There's a lot of craziness going on in craziness going on in Chicago right now, but we'll get into it.
I'm sure. Yeah. Alright. So, yeah, let's talk some football. My first question for you, and I think this is the biggest story that's happened in the last couple of weeks is the Detroit Lions, 1 of the best teams in football, is now just I mean, they got hit with insane amount of injuries on the defensive side.
They lose David Montgomery. As a coach, we heard Dan Campbell, and he I loved his message. It was like, look. You gotta you you know, we're gonna get punched in the mouth. We gotta get back up.
It's good for us. But as a coach, like, from a scheme perspective and a game plan perspective, when you lose that much talent on defense, what do you do? What do you change? Because you know you're at a disadvantage going into a game.
It's hard. I mean, I admire him for speaking publicly because your players are listening to you, showing confidence and showing the manhood that it takes to fight through adversity. But I'm looking out there. Quan Alexander's playing linebacker, and I take pride knowing the players. Jamal Adams is over there playing.
These guys weren't even in the media guide.
Right.
And it's hard to swallow when you lose high caliber guys. Now a couple guys are gonna come back.
Yep.
But when you lose Montgomery, you lose part of the identity of your team. So I do know that deep down when coach Campbell gets in his car, he ain't feeling real nicey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's tough.
Yeah. But you got you have
to give the message to your team that, hey, this we're not quitting. We're not waving the white flag because everyone has injuries. You gotta make guys believe that they can step in those roles. Have you ever had a guy that, you know, you you suffer a big injury, 1 of your star players, and then somebody has to be elevated? You know that, you know, you're gonna have a little bit of a downgrade there at the position, but you have to make that guy believe that they can play like a superstar.
Yeah. No.
I'm not. No doubt. I remember Cadillac Williams was the rookie of the year. We thought we had a back that would be with us forever. He tore out his patella tendon in, Carolina.
We have a young guy, free agent, Ernest Graham, who stepped in and really played good. There are a lot of players that just need an opportunity that will step up if they're given the opportunity, but, you know, losing a lot of good players this time of year is gonna be a real challenge for Detroit. Now they're gonna have to outscore people, and they do have the firepower to do that.
Yeah. And are are you are you okay with Dan Campbell maybe even which is crazy to say, but I think he might even turn up the aggressiveness even more, like, which, you know, he's been the most aggressive, but Yeah. Part of the whole onside kick, which, you know, our take when it happened, we're just like, hey. If you could still do a surprise onside kick, that would be a good spot for it. The fact he can't do surprise, maybe you don't do it.
But his whole thought was their score they're they're scoring every single drive. We gotta take at least 1 chance to try to get, you know Yeah. To break the serve here.
That's what Sean Payton did in the Super Bowl against Peyton Manning. I mean, he Sean told me we're gonna steal a possession from these guys because we don't know if we can stop Peyton Manning and Harrison and Reggie Wayne for 4 quarters. So I've seen it done and I agree with you. Campbell is aggressive. Right.
And I think right now he's got to get more and more opportunities for golf. Ben Johnson, they're healthy on that side of the ball minus Montgomery, but, yeah, they got to do something to help outscore the opponent.
Yeah. And keep the ball away from, their defense on the field. Yeah.
Yeah. So you mentioned, Sean Payton. The the job he's done in Denver is just incredible this year. What's different? Obviously, the quarterback position has changed.
Bonex has been electric at times. But, like, from a x's and o's standpoint, is there anything that he's doing different this year as opposed to last year that you love?
I think it's totally different. You remember Drew Brees and the success that they had thrown the ball. They've kinda reinvented the offense and become more of an RPO. They're doing a lot of the college stuff, honestly, with Bo Nix because he can run. Bo Nix is a factor running the ball with these zone reads.
But where the Broncos have crushed it is with this defense. I call them the anonymous crush. They used to be called the orange crush because they had a lot of recognizable guys. But I'll bet you can't name 2 or 3 Denver Broncos on their team right now other than Pat Sertin. And they're the number 1 scoring defense.
Them and the chargers, they're tied. They have done a hell of a job. They lead the league in sacks, and nobody really knows who their sack artists are.
How pissed were you about Jonathan Taylor? Pissed. That's the
worst. Terrible.
That happen?
I'm sure Taylor is sick about it.
Yeah.
Because if you know Taylor, he is 1 of the great guys we have in football, and he's 1 of the best backs. And that was a game changer. Yeah. I mean, they got the game under control. It was a shitty night.
The weather was terrible. Neither quarterback could throw it. And for them to lose a game on that play and then compound it with the flee flicker interception Yeah. They gotta be sick. It cost them a chance to sneak into the playoffs.
Did that ever happen to you? Did any of your players ever do it?
I think we had, had a challenge 1 time, but it was overturned. We we we did end up getting the touchdown. Okay. You know, that's that's that's a colossal mistake. Yeah.
Is that a word I use, colossal? I'm trying to use more 3 and 4 syllable words. You need it. Yeah. Because, I got a smart I gotta sound smart with Fred Smook coming here.
But, yeah, it's it's crazy.
It's weird how that started. Like, Deshaun Jackson did 1 time. It I don't think it had happened before that. Leon Lett,
the Leon Lett BB player
in the
next game.
I think it's a little bit different because he kinda you know, he started celebrating early, got caught from behind, stripped to the ball. That it it makes you real mad as a coach, but, you know, that type of thing happens. But just dropping the ball before you get to the end zone. What would you do to a player if they did that?
Well, there's not much you can say to Jonathan Taylor. He already feels terrible.
Yeah.
But what'll happen now is in training camp, every coaching staff will put that on their list of things that have happened that we need to cover. So they'll probably take all the skilled guys and have them run through the end zone
Mhmm.
You know, with the ball secure. Run through the end zone, finish the play before you celebrate, but that's unfortunate. And it's sickening, really, than it happened to Jonathan Taylor.
You would rather have your guy take unsportsmanlike penalty for, like, excessive taunting after the touchdown.
Exactly. Yeah. You just I'd rather him reach underneath the goalpost and have a cell phone like Joe Horn did or Yep. T o with the Sharpie pen. Something like that.
Is there anything in the, in the NFL that you've seen you've been noticing over the you know, the the rules always change every year. There's something new that they a new wrinkle point of emphasis they add in. Is there anything that you would make as a change to the way the game is either officiated or, anything just about, how NFL football is going right now that you'd like to see change from a coaching person?
You know, my biggest concern is pass interference in pro football. I would make it the college rule, honestly, because some of these some of these pass interference calls are impacting a game. Just 1 play there and I don't think there's a common thread in what is and what isn't pass interference. I think this crew calls it a little different than that crew, and, that is a penalty right now that is, I think, taken over a lot of these games.
Yeah. It's a it's a little hack. If you under throw a ball just slightly, you can you can draw passer for yourself. Good quarterbacks will do that. Good wide receivers will
get you through the roof. In Monday night football with Jerry Austin. Jerry Austin wore the white hat in 3 Super Bowls. And our formula during the game was every penalty, Jerry would go like this. That meant it's a bad call.
Yeah.
And if it was a good call, Jerry would go like that. So here's a penalty. He would go like that. That's a bad call. You know?
Because I'm getting the confirmation from the rep. But, anyways, Jerry Seaman or excuse me, Jerry Austin taught me that pass interference should call itself. We should all be sitting in a bar in Chicago
Yeah.
And go, that's PI.
Yeah.
That's how it should be a common Yeah. Obvious pass interference. Otherwise, let these guys play.
Right.
That's my feeling.
Yeah. No. I agree. I agree. Yeah.
Let let the guy sitting on the couch be able to call
it. I I exactly.
That's right.
We usually nail it.
Instead of going to New York, we should go to Big Cat in his studio down here
at Barstool.
Yeah. They have, like, since it
was hooked up to us, something, give us 6 beers and then let, you know, 20 of us watch the game at the same time. We got a button in front of us. We all say yes or no, then they take that data. Okay. No pass
I don't like the the way we're protecting the quarterbacks either. I don't know if you saw the Kirk Cousins play at the end of the Raider game the other night. Yeah. But what is roughing the passer? What isn't?
I think I think we gotta be a little careful there
too.
So you bring up Kirk Cousins. I know you guys have a relationship. He obviously gets benched tough. I mean, he's the ultimate pro about it, and, I think he even called Michael Penicks and was like, hey. Let's, you know, shoot the elephant in the room is what he said.
What do you think the future is for Kirk? Do you think he still has some years left in him? I know this is disappointing, but he also is getting paid a lot
of money. You know, he's probably gonna have an opportunity now to really sit down and think about that. I I wonder how healthy he truly is coming off that Achilles injury. I've seen that injury take over a year to get all the way back. But the 1 thing that's disappointing when I looked at the Falcons is they just never used the play action pass.
And here's Kirk Cousins. I think he threw 69 touchdown passes on play action over the last 3 or 4 years in Minnesota. They don't even call a play action pass with that running game with Bijan and Algiers. I I don't I don't know what they're doing offensively in Atlanta, but it was not a good mix from the start. They started poorly against Pittsburgh.
It ended poorly against the Raiders, but I know this. He's a hell of a competitor. He'll be back, and they just gotta figure out what to do with the contract. That's a big issue with how they loaded that contract. Yeah.
Did you
watch a lot of Michael Pinnick's tape?
I did. So what what do
we think about him? I know he could throw the ball to the outside.
What I like about Penick's forget about Indiana and Washington is I like what he did in the preseason. I really did. Now he's inexperienced. He hasn't played 1 snap really meaningful snap for the Falcons, but this guy has a quick arm. He's accurate.
He can really rip it down the field. But I don't think the Falcon offensive line is playing great. They have committed so many penalties, holding penalties. It's ridiculous. False starts.
The Falcons are still in this thing. If they can tie Tampa, they win the tiebreaker. So they have to win these final couple games, but he's a talented kid. I'm just anxious to see where he is with the system.
Yeah. It's kinda I mean, listen. It's good that he's starting against the Giants. Giants stink. He should have some good opportunities against them, especially with Dexter Lawrence is is is out for the season.
But it's tough to be a a rookie quarterback thrown in week 16 being like, hey. We gotta win out to make the playoffs. That's a lot of pressure.
It is a lot of pressure, and I think it's probably gonna serve him well in the future. Yeah. Because if he does go out there and light it up against the team they should beat, I think his teammates, you know, they'll start doing what the Washington commanders did with Daniels. You see what Denver's doing rallying behind Bo Nix. I think the Falcons, as you said, they have shot the elephant in the room.
It's just inevitable. Yeah. Right. You don't take a guy with the 8th pick at that position Right. To sit for very long.
Right. Yeah. So this weekend, I believe we got the 40 niners and the dolphins. Right? Yes.
So both teams disappointing seasons for each 1. And it felt like a couple years ago, 2 of the most dynamic exciting offenses. Now they've kinda just they've gotten slow. It's not as fun of a matchup as it used to be. What do you see?
I'll ask about the Dolphins first. What do you see out of the Dolphins offense that's different now that they're kinda a little bit lackluster and whereas before they're lighting it up?
They don't have a running game. Yeah. They can't run the ball. I mean, last year, they had Raheem Mostert had 20 touchdowns. They don't even play.
Achan's a hell of a receiver. I think in the last 5 games, they have run the ball for 50 yards a game or less. They just have no running game. It's a finesse quick passing game. And if you have the guys like Lassiter and Stingley to lock down these receivers, it's hard uphill sledding.
Mhmm.
But, they just don't have a running game. They're missing Chubb. They're missing Jalen Phillips or 2 edge rushers, and they're they've done a surprisingly good job on defense.
Yeah. Yeah.
But I just think they don't have a balanced offense. They don't run the ball, and it's all on tour. And, that's that's hard to do week in and week out.
Yeah. I also think Tyreke's maybe on the wrong side of 30, and it's, you know, it's a little different where it's not he's still explosive, but he hasn't been that, you know, game breaker of no 1 knows what to do with him. And it is obviously the running game as well, but they you know, all that gets a little, 1 step's a little bit slower, and it can change it.
Right? Say that Nate, that Tyreek Hill, he scares me, man. He burnt me. He he put me into my grave, that guy. But, you know, their left tackle, Armstead's out.
He doesn't play. The right tackle, Jackson gets hurt. They put in Kendall Lam. He gets hurt. They're playing their 3rd string right tackle.
So I'm sure coach McDaniels is like, man, we gotta throw the quick game. We don't have the horses up front to run the ball, and, it's caught up with them.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's been tough.
On the other side of that, Brock Purdy, they're gonna have to make a decision about Brock Purdy pretty soon and what the contract is gonna be for him. Is he a guy that you would pay, or would you you would you look to the draft free agency?
No. I'd pay Purdy. I mean, you've already developed the guy. He covered your ass, man. I mean, if it wasn't for Brock Purdy
Right.
None of these things that are good in San Francisco happen.
We'd be talking about Trey Lance.
They gave him 3 first round picks for Trey Lance.
Yeah.
And they get the guy in the last pick of the draft that allows you to get him out of here and put this kid in. Mhmm. He hasn't made any money, and he's taking you to Super Bowls. He's a winner. Missing Trent Williams.
McCaffrey has not been right the whole season. I don't know what happened to Deebo, really. And I He's been out as well. Yeah. When you talk about a team that's lost players
Uh-huh.
You know, Kyle Shanahan has lost a lot of players on both sides of the ball, but I would definitely keep Purdy. Well, I'm an owl,
man.
Who who who am I gonna
get to replace Purdy? You know, everything sounds
pretty in this draft, but
Are you now about
are you now about Sam Darnold?
How about Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield? I mean, here's 2 guys that have reinvented themselves. I know I use that word a lot, but that's what you have to do in this business. You know? Sam Darnold, you gotta pay Sam Darnold.
Well, we got JJ McCarthy. Well, you gotta be out of your mind to let Sam Darnold. You're 12 and 2, man.
How much better could your quarterback play than what Sam has played this year? I don't know.
The guy can run for 1st downs. He's a horse. He's young. Mhmm. If you let Sam Darnold out of there, you're making a real mistake.
Mhmm.
Okay. I wanted to ask a question about the Deebo thing because it kind of was like Tyreek Hill. As a coach, when you see a player maybe lose a slight step, do you have a conversation with them, or is it do you start game planning a little different where it's like, hey. We know this guy is maybe not exactly what he used to be. Let's figure out a way to work for his strengths here so we can still get a lot out of him.
Yeah. I mean, you help a guy maintain his impact somehow, some way. Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, I had those guys on the same same team. They were deep into their thirties. But there's so many things these great players can do.
You have to tap into some different areas.
Right.
But when I look at Tyreke, he does have the wrist injury, and that's a serious injury that he's playing through. He's gonna have to have surgery after the season, and his best part of his game is going down the field. Right. And when you throw these down the field deep ends and deep daggers and special seams, the quarterback's gotta drop back and hold the ball. Yeah.
But Miami doesn't do that. I mean, almost every pass he runs rowdy runs is inside of 10 yards.
Oh, yes. Disgusting once you're here.
The time he kill, I'm like, man, he I wish he would run those routes against us.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think he he hasn't caught a 30 yard pass since week 1, I think.
Yeah. Well, last week, they tried the wrong corner twice. Yeah. Stingley. Derek Stingley was covering Tyreke and made a couple great plays.
But you're right. They gotta, I think, somehow get him to be a factor down the field again.
Yeah. Sticking in that division, we're we're friends of Josh Allen. We love the Buffalo Bills. We're part of Bills Mafia, I think, maybe honorary part. Haven't gone through a table yet, but we're we love Buffalo.
And it feels like this might be the year for them the way that Josh is playing. Do you think that that that this is their best chance that they've ever had this year?
I do. I mean, I'm worried about their defense. Their defense made me mad the other day. Now I understand when they went to the Rams and gave up 44 points on a short week. And I know against Detroit, they're missing both their safeties now.
Rapp didn't play. Hamlin didn't play. Rasool Douglas didn't play at corner, but they couldn't stop Detroit or LA. They couldn't stop anything the last 2 weeks. I believe to have a championship team, you have to have a quarterback plan winning football, and you gotta have a 4th quarter pass rush.
What bothered me is they let Goff keep going down the field and down the field. They couldn't stop Detroit either.
Yeah.
And I'm waiting for Von Miller and Rousseau and Oliver to close these games out. I mean, you know Goff is throwing it every play. I was expecting to see a lot more pass rush, impactful pass rushes, hits on the quarterback and sacks, and I've seen
It's why the it's why the Chiefs
system or Chris Jones.
Exactly right. Every how many times have we seen a playoff game where it's 4th quarter, Chris Jones makes a game breaking play on a 3rd down and, you know, there's a fumble or a big sack, and it's like
It's like Charles Haley. The the Charles Haley, you know, he was the closer for the 40 niners. When he goes to Dallas, he's the closer for the cowboys. You gotta have guys that can end the game when Goff has the ball inside at 2 minutes, Mahomes has the ball inside at 2 minutes. You gotta close these quarterbacks out.
It's Dwight Freni. Dwight Freni, 4th quarter, hasn't done the spin move all game. Guess what? You're getting the spin move.
That's my new money segment. I I bought this chain. It's like a $3,000,000 chain with diamonds, and it's got a big money thing on it. I'm gonna put my necklace on. We used to call it the green team.
Yeah.
So at
the end of the game, we would send out our green pass rush team, Sapp, Simeon Rice, and Marinelli, our d line coach, would put the other 2 guys out there. Greg Spires, Ellis Wims, whoever our money pass rushers were. So I'm gonna put together my green team
pass rushers. Money. Yeah. I love that. But who
would be your 2 ends? Who would be your 2 defensive tackles in today's game? Who would be your green team that you would send out there in the Q4?
Oh, that's a good question.
But it'd definitely be Chris Jones. Her. Probably Dexter Lawrence inside. Yep. He'd probably look at Miles Garrett, TJ Watt.
Yeah.
TJ has a knack for doing that in the Q4. That's what he's gonna get strip sack
in there. Max Crosby. Don't forget
my guy. Yeah.
Max Crosby. Never comes off the field. Condor. Yeah. He wouldn't be on he's on every
team, not just the green team. But I think as you watch the games this weekend, think about these 2 minute situations Yeah. And look at the pass rush unit that's out there and look at that as the the green team.
The green team.
We used to use a time out. Warren Sapp taught me this. He's the 1st guy that ever pointed this out to me because I'm not real smart. He's like, hey, can I use a time out? Think about this.
We're playing Detroit. They have the ball. They got a chance to go down and win the game. And Warren says, can I take a time out to rest? Because what happens is these pass rushers, they rush, they go back.
At rush, they go back. Rush, they get tired. And when the ball's incomplete, they tap out. They bring in a fresh rusher. Well, you're bringing in a fresh rusher for Warren Sapp.
It's not Warren Sapp.
So Warren Sapp takes a time out. We get us some Gatorade. We go out there and fan them off. Bam. Saxe the next play.
See? So you gotta think about that a little bit, I think. You gotta have guys that can heat up the quarterback without blitzing. Use your 7 men in some kind of coverage and and let these 4 guys eat up front, but think about taking a time out I
like that.
For your defensive rushers to rest and think about who the money pass rushers are at the end of the game.
It is so true that you, like, kinda forget it where teams will over the course of the year, there'll be teams that blitz more and, you know, they'll put up great numbers on defense. Like but at the end of the day, when you get to playoffs, you gotta be able to do it with 4. You can't you can't just you can't just always expect to be able to blitz your way out of stuff.
Well, it sure helps. I mean, you got disguise coverages. You know, you gotta stop Kelsey. You gotta stop, you know, Worthy over here. You gotta stop all these weapons, the back coming out of the backfield.
You need men in coverage to do that. Yeah. A lot of times when you blitz Mahomes or you blitz Josh Allen, you might as well blow your brains out.
Uh-huh.
Like, are you serious? They see it. They change the protection. They hand signal the routes, and they just thread it in there, man.
Yeah. Yeah. So take off because no you know?
Exactly. Right.
Hole and yeah. Yeah. So we're taping this early on Thursday. You hate Thursday night football.
I do hate Thursday.
Okay. I
now they're playing Wednesday. Yeah.
Yeah. Now they're playing Wednesday. What from your perspective, because you obviously were you know, you lived it in playing Thursday night football. Why did you hate Thursday night football, from a coach's perspective and and just a quality perspective? Well, you asked me if
I could put in a couple of plays with the barstool team. Yeah. And I'm anxious to do that. Yeah. Well, it's gonna take a little time.
So you guys are gonna have to have a little time on the practice field to learn 682 and 683 diesel, 76 and 77 special. I'm even gonna put in a couple other routes just to check you guys so we can have a little bit of versatility in our offense. But on a short week, you really don't get any time to practice. You don't get any time to really familiarize yourself with the opponent's blitzes, the coverages that they run, the stunts that they run up front. You don't get a chance to study their red zone defense, their 3rd down defense.
You don't get a chance to look at them at goal line and short yardage. So there's very little preparation. And these guys are beat up, man. I don't like seeing these guys play 61 snaps on Sunday and then have to go play 68 snaps on Thursday. Yeah.
It bothers me. I don't mind doing it on Thanksgiving. I think it's a wonderful thing. But I do believe when you're playing Thursday football, there's very little preparation. There's very little time to recover, and it's gonna take its toll on the performance.
Yeah.
You know,
you just don't show up. This is not Major League Baseball where we can play a doubleheader and go out and play here. It's not the NBA. No disrespect. But this is this is a lot of physical contact.
Right. And a lot of these guys are they're hurting. Yeah. They are really sucking it up right now to play.
Especially this this point in the season, week 16. Like, I I I agree with you. The, I I love Thursday night football. I wish they'd figure out a way to do a double buy during the season so you could get more Thursday to 3rd you know, like a team plays on a Thursday and they get, you know, extended rest or there's buys or so you know, you play it your your double buy ends up being your Thursday night game after that, so you get a little more fresh fresh teams out there. But the, like, the teams playing on Christmas and Saturday this week, they're playing 3 games in 11 days at the end of the season.
That's crazy.
Well, it is crazy. I
You gotta protect I mean, I don't wanna watch the playoffs if, like, some of these got you know, a Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson isn't playing.
Exactly. Hell, I look at Major League Baseball. They won't even let the pitcher pitch 9 innings.
Right.
They're worried about his arm getting sore. You know? But you're right. How would you like to be a 12 and 1 team like the Chiefs and lose a couple players for the 1st round of the playoffs because they get hurt in 1 of these games that they're playing in 3 you know, an 11 day period. But, is this microphone work?
I would I make sure I could say this clearly. I hate Thursday football, especially when you gotta be the road team. Yeah. And when they make you fly into a different time zone on a Thursday, it's ridiculous to me. I think you gotta be be really honest and careful with how you look at the performances on Thursday night.
Yeah. And we saw an awful game last Thursday night. This time of year, it seems like the the product gets worse.
Well, they they say that, you know, they're the 2 best offensive coaches in the game. Yeah. McVay and Shanahan, and the the season really is on the line for the 40 niners.
Right.
And here's the Rams trying to get back in and take control of the division and it's 12 to 6.
Yeah. You know, so Unwatchable.
It was tough.
Yeah. So, with the Barstool team, if you're installing plays for us, you've got to know a lot of people here and it's been fun watching you interact. Do you think that you've got a do you have a starting 11 in your mind? No. Okay.
I I really didn't see a lot of talent the last time I was here. There was a lot of guys
I don't think that's fair.
Had great attitudes. It's gonna be a tough job.
Do you know quarterback most important position?
I don't I don't I don't know who that is. The girl. I can't remember her first name. Megan. Megan.
Megan.
Yes. Mhmm. She had an arm.
She had an arm. I think she's coachable.
Yeah. Okay.
What about what about me and big cat?
You're gonna be my f. Big cat is gonna be the y. He's gonna be the tight end.
Nice. Okay.
He's gonna
love size.
Yeah. F is fullback? You're gonna
be my slot receiver, basically.
Okay. Shifty guy.
Love it. Yeah.
Getting that You might
be the quarterback, though. I I did I did see some promise.
I came in, I think, last place in a quarterback challenge. Okay.
You're out. You'll hear the f. Yeah. Yeah.
I need
to shoot I'm like Julian Edelman. You see me as I was a quarterback before, but I get to the league.
You're gonna have to run the special seam. So I just wanna see if you can recognize cover 2, single high, and then convert it versus man. You gotta do a few things on the special scene.
Oh, what about Max? Max has a broken foot, but imagine he didn't have
a a broken foot. Podcast right away.
Max was gonna be the center. He looks like Kelsey. Yeah. Oh, no. He just made me match.
Center. He can snap today.
Yeah. He can. He absolutely can. Alright. In the NFC, I have some teams that I think could win like, it feels wide open.
What teams could you conceivably see winning the Super Bowl in the NFC right now?
Man, it's tough.
I've I think I have 5.
I want to say Detroit because they can really finish you with the running game. They've lost so many players. It's hard. I wanna say Minnesota. Yeah.
Because they have a great skill set. When you look at the emergence of Addison, the return of Hawkinson, and with the great Justin Jefferson, I think Aaron Jones is excellent. Darnell's playing well, and they're playing solid defense. And their kicker, he doesn't have a lot of experience, but he makes all his kicks. I like Minnesota.
I still think Green Bay is very dangerous.
Yep.
You know, they they got a quarterback that's got he's got a lot of talent, man. They can run the ball, and they do have some pass rushers. Edger and Cooper is a guy to keep an eye on. He came back off that injury. They're a rookie from Texas A and M really played good against Seattle, and I think Green Bay is dangerous.
I think Minnesota. I like Detroit. But other than that, I'm No Philly. Philly? You gotta put Philly.
I gotta put Philly in there.
You gotta put Philly
in there. Philly. I think Philly's probably the favorite. Yeah.
You gotta put Philly in there. And what about what I mean, the Bucks and the Rams.
That's the thing. That's anybody's game.
Do do you think the like, the Tampa Bay bucks in your mind? I obviously, there's teams that are more talented than overall, but I do think the way Baker's playing, they're unafraid, and they can go anywhere, And they could I mean, they've listened. They've beaten the lines. They've beaten the eagles. Like, that's a team to me that I I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say they're they're they're the favorite or anything to get to the Super Bowl, but it wouldn't shock me if we're in sitting in New Orleans and the Bucks have made a crazy run, and they've and they've had a couple upsets, and they're sitting there playing it on in February.
I've been saying this for a long time. I mean, not not bullshitting either. I mean, Baker Mayfield is a real quarterback now. He's playing great.
Yeah.
And, the emergence of this Bucky Irving, this have you seen this game
play? Yeah.
I mean, he's a combination of work done, Napoleon Kaufman, Charlie Garner. He is a badass man. This guy's a hell of a back. Yeah. Tampa Bay was 32nd in rushing offense the last 2 years.
They couldn't run out of the stadium. Now they're a top 10 rushing team. They're balanced. Mike Evans is is a complete stud.
Hall of famer.
And Todd Bowles. No 1 gives Bowles any credit, man. This guy's a hell of a defensive coach. They just went to the chargers and kicked their ass.
Yeah.
They are they are a dangerous football team because of their balance on offense and experienced defensive head coach, and McLaughlin makes big field goals.
Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah.
So I do like Tampa, and I like Philly. This this Philadelphia Eagle defense, man, Vic Fangio's got a couple rookies in the secondary, DeGene and Mitchell playing great. They got a lot of 2nd year players, Carter and Nolan Smith. This is the Kobe Dean. This is Zach Bond guy comes over from New Orleans.
They're good, man.
What is it about a Vic Fangio defense? What is he what is he preaching that makes it so hard, to because he's he's a great defensive coordinator. We've seen it time and time again, but what is it about his defenses?
They don't give up big plays, number 1. They know where their help is. They know how to play leverage. They know they know how to play and eliminate big plays. They they don't take unnecessary stupid risks.
They're hard to run against. They just do an excellent job taking away your strength and making you play left handed.
Right.
And, they're a ball possession offense. They run the ball more than anybody, so they're not out on the field, you know, 80 plays a game.
Right.
They don't have to play a whole lot of snaps. I worry about the Eagles pass rush depth a little bit. Huff is out. They just lost Brandon Graham for the season, and I told you about that money pass rush. Yeah.
I can't wait to see the money chain. Yeah. So so you're gonna reward that every week?
I'm gonna well, I'm gonna talk about my green team. So I'm gonna get some glasses like you. I got, you know, I got those $12, you know, flip.
These are shady rays. We can get you better a little better set than that.
I might need to get some shady rays.
Shady rays. I'm gonna
just I'm worried about the Eagle green team a little bit.
Yeah. So with, with Houston, they've been kinda weird this year. Because last year, it felt like their offense is way more explosive. Felt like they were dynamic, exciting. It feels like it's taken a little step back this year.
Is this has it been concerning to you to watch the development of that offense?
I thought they'd be a lot better. You know, their offensive line has been disappointing to me. They they had 41 sacks allowed going into last week's game. Not only the sacks. I mean, Stroud, if you look at the pro football focus, all the charts and stats, he's been pressured more than any guy in the league.
This guy's been knocked down. He's been sacked. He's had the shit beat out of him. And I just don't feel I don't feel the rhythm of their passing game at all.
Yeah. And they're
boom or bust on rush. They really They are I I went and looked at it because we're we're gonna do our our pre our weekend preview, for PMT this afternoon, but it was like see, our, Joe Mixon was, like, a 110 yards, 20 yards. A 120 yards, 15 yards. Like, he either is going off or it's nothing.
Yeah. He didn't run the ball at all against Miami. Yeah. It's not for the fake punt last week. They don't really score much in Houston either.
Yeah. But it's it's a problem because some of those linemen I mean, Howard at right tackle, Tunsil at left tackle. They've got a lot of investments in that line, but they haven't picked up blitzes. When they stunt the line, they haven't picked up stunts, and it's impacted Stroud. He's off schedule right now, and I know they're missing Stefon Diggs, but Nico Collins is back.
They got a pretty good tight end. I just I just don't feel the rhythm. Yeah. You know, you gotta have a little rhythm to
the passing.
Yeah. There's no flow to it all. I mean, when we talked last time when we were watching, we're doing the livestream of the Thursday night football, Commanders Eagles. I heard that you didn't know that the cameras were on for that whole thing.
No. I I had no idea they would film all of that. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. We're just live.
We're just live the whole time.
But I'm
gonna let it rip tonight anyway. Yeah.
Yeah. No. Yeah. People loved you. And we had the conversation about the analytics where you're like, there's some, you know, some nerd that's in your ear telling you, hey, go for it.
Go for it. Go for it. And then you mentioned, like, pro football focus and some of the people that do, you know, the the talent evaluation. Do you feel the same way about those guys, the the the outside, like, third parties, the great players, as you do about the numbers guys that are in your ear during your game?
I love the pro football focus because it gives me a starting point. They say, hey. PFT is playing great. PFT is playing great. So okay.
I go in there. I said, let me see him play great. Big Cats had a shitty game. So I like to go back and see for myself. A lot of times, you might disagree with the guy that graded the film.
Mhmm. You know, maybe you got you got the sack against you, but maybe when you look at the tape, I might say, no. It wasn't his fault. But for the most part, these guys are pretty solid, man. Mhmm.
But it does give me a pretty good gage of where to start my studies, you know, in terms of I like to see it before I say it.
Yeah. Yeah. The, by the way, we we I can announce this now. We talked about our schedule, coming up, but, coach is gonna be with us for wild card weekend and divisional round. So we're gonna do streams Saturday Sunday.
That's awesome.
I can't
be with us in the gambling game. I love that. I'm so excited to watch with you.
Do you guys use artificial intelligence?
No. We we know about it, but we don't use it. Yeah. Why?
I've been using I've been see, I'm I'm You're using it high? Well, like, when a when a quarter let's say you're a right guard
Okay.
And you blow an assignment and the back gets hit in the face for a 3 yard loss. And you're the same right guard that whiffs in pass protection. And then you're the same right guard that jumps off sides. And you come over to the sideline. I would probably say, what the
fuck are you doing,
big cat? So I send that into artificial intelligence to see what should I say to my guard when he jumps off sides
and lifts in bass protection. And some
of the responses are pretty good.
Like, you know, it's like a It's a
it becomes a PG 13 Oh,
I like it.
Way of ripping a right guard.
I like it. I like it.
Same thing with ripping a referee.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know? Or when the owner comes in and starts calling you names after you lose a game Yeah. Threatening to fire you, what should my response be?
Yeah. Right.
And when you
listen to artificial intelligence, you're gonna say this might be the greatest invention ever. Yeah.
Great. Yeah. And so have you ever had an owner say, I'd like for you guys to practice during the bye week?
Oh, yeah. I mean, now there's rules. You see, the collective bargaining agreement puts puts sanctions on what a coach can and can't do. So, that's what makes it difficult.
Yeah. How do you manage that? Because ultimately, the owner is your boss. Right? They sign your paychecks, You serve at at at, you know, their discretion.
But then your job is also to just manage an entire you got, like, 2 separate jobs almost. Like, 1 is running the team and then the other is presenting a case of how you're running the team to the owner when things get bad. So how do you juggle those 2 things?
Well, I just use the practice field as my laboratory. You know, you wanna take advantage of all the time that you have to practice. You may not need as much practice as you need. So you might take the bye week and let some of your young guys get some reps because it is a long season. You might wanna install a couple new schemes.
A lot of guys just say, hey. You're out. Get out of the building for the whole week.
Yeah.
And sometimes the collective bargaining agreement makes you let the players be loose for x amount of days. But, you know, I like watching teams in pregame warm up. Some teams are working hard in pregame warm up. They're they're developing players during pregame.
Mhmm.
Some coaches are just putting their headphones on and they're jogging around the stadium. But when you're trained, I think, under Al Davis like I was, you're pretty much trained to use every second that you have to train somebody
Yeah.
In some way.
Yeah. That's that's interesting. Yeah. Using using the pregame warm up almost as an extra practice.
An extra period, an individual period. You know? Look at it that way. Don't go out there thinking it's a, you know, a bullshit dance lesson. You know what I mean?
Yeah. How much did Al love speed? How much was he like that guy
so fast?
He talked about Raider bodies. He would see a lineman at the combine. He'd say that guy's got a Raider body. And our scouts were looking for Raider bodies. Defensive lineman had to have length.
Corners had to have length and speed, twitchiness. Mhmm. But he he loves speed. You know, he modeled his team size, speed. The 1 thing about the Raiders, we had a good looking team, man.
Yeah.
Every year when we got off the bus when Al was around.
Yeah. Fact. Alright. I got 1 last question for you, coach. It's been awesome.
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How's the new hip, and how's the golf game?
Pretty good. Yeah? You know, I'm glad you brought this up because working at Barstool, you get the chance to meet other people. Mhmm. So when the guys came down, my hip held up pretty good.
Yeah. We golfed. Me and Trent put a whoop ass on those guys.
Yeah. Yeah.
We did. It felt pretty good.
Trent's a little
tough. Nicey.
Yeah. It felt nice.
I did. I had some good drives. I never really snipered 1 at all. I was down the middle. Trent made a couple clutch plays.
Yeah.
And a lot
of it
had to do with great coaching. You know? Mhmm. Trent and I, we kinda had this synergy going here. It was like me and Rich Gannon again, in and out of the golf cart, you know.
But it
was so much fun. We had a blast, and it was a stunning upset. No 1 predicted us to win.
Oh, hips good.
I like your strategy on the golf course too, which is just every hole is a par 5.
Yeah. You know what? That that kind of lowers my standards a little bit because I do know I haven't played a whole lot of golf because of my, you know, coaching background. But if I shoot 86 at a nice course like where we play, that's that's a pretty good round. It's respectable.
That's how
it's fun.
Is there anybody at Barstool that you wanna fight? Are you do you have an enemy yet? No. Okay. I'm I'm
I'm I'm You have you're only on, like, week 2 of working with Stephen Shea.
Stephen Shea is such a Buck fan.
He he
is. It's almost kind of a weird Buck fan. Oh, yeah. Almost. Yeah.
Yeah. He remembers he remembers things I don't even remember.
Yeah. Yep. Yeah.
On his computer. Dude.
Yeah. He knows stuff about you that you don't even know. Yeah. It's
a little scary, you know. Kinda like you know.
Alright. Well, coach, thank you as always. Always fun to have you, and we're excited for the playoffs. I can't wait to watch some playoff football.
Yeah. So who do you got in the AFC real quick?
Okay.
I got the Bills.
I'll go with the Bills as well. I like the Bills.
Yeah. I'm not gonna go against the Chiefs, though, because they do have the the defense, the 4th quarter rush. Yeah. You know, all this close ugly winning that they're doing is gonna serve them well in the playoffs.
They're learning how to they do all the small things right. If things go bad I just but if they get that 1 break, they know how to take advantage. They they they dance on that margin just a little bit too much, though. What about their offensive line? Does it are you watching them and you're like, this is not sustainable?
They have the best center and 2 guards if if you can't do better than Tooney, the center, Creed Humphreys, and Trey Smith at right guard. You can't do better
than that. Yeah.
It's just a left tackle. They've they've had a turnstile left tackle. I mean, hell, DJ Humphreys was playing left tackle that day.
Yeah. The, AFC to me is just it's a little bit more clear that it's Ravens, Chiefs, or Bills. I think those are the 3 teams.
I think the Ravens are interesting. They've improved on defense.
You know what the Ravens' problem is? They lead the league in penalties. They do lead the league in penalties. They're undisciplined, which
I watched that Steeler Raven game, the first 1, because I know they're playing Saturday. They had 12 penalties in that
game. Yeah. You know? You can't win like that. No.
You can't. Especially when it's so razor thin in the playoffs. So wouldn't you love
to see Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen go at it? I mean, who do you have as the MVP? That's what I wanna know.
Josh. I have Josh right now. Lamar's in the conversation.
Lamar's been insane. 34 touchdown passes, 3 interceptions. Yeah. I mean, nobody's thrown 30 touchdowns in less than 5 picks except for Brady and Aaron Rodgers. So that's the kind of class he's throwing the ball with.
Mhmm.
And he's got 750 yards rushing.
I mean,
he gets a 109 yards. He passes Mike Vick for the all time quarterback rushing title. He's had a sick statistical season. I mean, sick.
Yeah. And, of course, MVP is kinda it's just always narratives. It was who Yeah. You know, the big game down the stretch. Last year, it was Lamar Brock Purdy, and then Lamar beats Brock Purdy in week 17 and then it's Lamar.
So it's you know?
Josh Allen is something else, though, man. Yeah.
Have
you ever gone out throwing a pass in the snow and the cold shitty weather with the wind blowing? Have you ever tried to do it? Yeah.
Of course.
Did you see Josh Allen against the 40 niners? I mean, it's like it's in a dome.
That pass he made even in in Detroit.
Running to his left?
Well yeah. And he just it was like, how is this even possible?
I don't know. I I'd have a hard time voting this year, but those 2 guys should probably both take it home. Yeah.
I think the fact Lamar won it last year makes it more likely that Josh is gonna get it this year.
Yeah. Yeah. He probably right. Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay. Well, coach, thank you as always, and, yeah, we can't wait to watch some football with you.
Same here, brother.
Hell yeah.
Same here. Thank you, guys.
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Okay. Let's wrap up. We got Fyre Fest of the week. Henry? Alright.
Serious Fyre Fest
it's probably gonna take me a minute to explain too, so bear with me.
I can help.
I need well, I need I need to give the back story first because it it made a lot of sense after. In real time, it didn't. But to set it up, I and I wanted to wait a couple weeks because I was dealing with some some of the aftermath for a couple weeks. So I wanna make sure I was good before I talked about it because it would have just made everything worse if I said it right when it happened. But going back, thanksgiving, I was home for break.
I was at a friend's house smoking a bubbler, like, a little bubbler bowl. And this is all what I put together after the fact. Obviously, if I realized in in real time, it would have been a different situation. But smoking out of a bubbler bowl and, basically, I I lit it and, basically inhaled burnt ash, which went into my throat and, like, made my lung swollen. I did not realize this at the time.
That was Saturday night. Fast forward to Monday, it was the Brown's chargers game, Monday night football. Browns Broncos. Browns Broncos.
Yeah.
Apologies. Browns Broncos Monday night football. I was smoking a little joint by myself and it it, like, felt weird. I again, I didn't realize it was because my lung was swollen, but I was like that. Something something's not right.
This doesn't feel right. I put it out, but I didn't know what's going on. Went inside to my condo. I was watching the game and I was struggling hard to breathe, and I was by myself. I like you know, couldn't catch my breath, and and then I worked myself up into a panic where I again, I've never had a panic attack.
I joked about it in the beginning of the show. I had never had a panic attack. So I was essentially freaking out. I had convinced myself in in my head that I was there's something like a hole or something in my lung. I was losing oxygen and then I I basically was never gonna be able to get this oxygen again.
So I worked myself into a panic. I thought I was having a stroke because I never had a panic attack. I was, like, on the ground, basically, like, thinking I was, like, fading away watching Jameis throw an interception
being, like, this is it.
I think this is it. I didn't know what to do. The first person I called, I was like, I don't know what to do. I called big cat. I was like, I need to go to, like, urgent care.
I don't know what's going on, but, like, I can't I can't breathe. I think I'm going down. And then I made my way. Big cat was was super helpful. He told me what urgent care to go to.
He said he'll meet me there. And I was like, on the way to urgent care, you know, not necessarily a huge religious guy, you know, believe in something up there. But I was, like, if this is this is not a big deal, like, I'll I'll never, you know, I'll never smoke again. I'm gonna get healthy. Like, this is because I literally thought I was thought I was dying.
Like, I thought I was I thought I was never gonna be able to breathe right again in my life. And so shout out to big cat. He met me at urgent care, went through the whole process with me. They, you know, put me put me on the tubes and stuff and it, you know, turns out it was just they told me after the fact, like, your your lungs are swollen. You're just having a panic attack, everything's gonna be fine.
So it was a bad couple days that I had I and I, you know, then I haven't smoked since. So I've I've been having a lot of struggles sleeping. I've gotten a lot better with it over the past 3 weeks. I think anyone that's quit smoking weed knows the the anxiety that kinda comes with that and like the the dreams and crazy dreams and like bad sleep. That's gotten a lot better in the past 3 weeks.
So I'm kinda through it and I I feel good. I feel healthy. But, yeah, it was, it was a long month of December, and it was it was weird to not talk about it, but I feel good. Anyone that's had panic attacks probably can understand what I was going through. I never had a panic attack.
And I think, obviously, if I had realized I was having a panic attack, I would have been, like, dude, you're having a panic attack. It's gonna be fine. But I thought I had a heart attack slash stroke and was never gonna breathe again and, like, was gonna die watching James Winston watching Monet from home.
Which would be an okay Yeah.
To go.
Yeah. So it's a it's a post it's a post mostly Fyre Fest, but it was Yeah. It was bad.
Can I do the funny story now? Yes. Yes. Okay. Great.
Now, like, it's
again, like, I I had anxiety about it for a while, and I knew if I talked about it, AWL is gonna be like, oh, you know, they were gonna make they're gonna tell me stuff that was gonna make me Yeah. More anxious about it. So I wanted to wait until I was in a good place to talk about it. But yeah.
Yeah. So I I have some funny stories. I was with Hank in the ER for about 4 hours until, like, 2 AM. It was, so let's let's start from my from my perspective. I was at home.
I was actually I just gotten ready for bed, and Hank called me. And he he's not he doesn't usually call me at, like it was, like, 10:30 at night. And I was like, oh, shit. Something must be wrong. Hank was nice enough to be like, oh, I thought to call Big Cat right away because he's, like, the adult in my life.
That's not actually what happened. He called me and asked me if my wife knew what ER she he should go to. So he was like, my only adult the only adult in my life is not Big Cat's Big Cat's wife. So she she helped us and was like, yeah. Go here.
It actually was the the same 1 I had gone for my kidney stone. So I knew where it was. I get there. I was nervous.
Was. I
get there. I was nervous. I was legit, like because the way you
described it, like, I
was this is scary. Like, you can't breathe. Breathing thing. A breathing thing. So Hank Hank had a little shame afterwards of being like, wow.
I overreacted. You don't fuck around with not being able to breathe. Like, Hank couldn't even he was he couldn't speak either. He was whispering because he couldn't get enough breath to actually, like, talk loudly.
It was like a cycle that kept reinforcing itself too because you had you had the actual lung injury, and then you had the panic attack. And 1 of the symptoms of that is thinking that you can't breathe.
Correct.
So it's like the lung injury was feeding into your panic attack of being, like, I'm never gonna have any more oxygen ever again, which makes everything worse.
Yeah. And I had tried to, like,
I thought it was, like, I got some stuck in my stroke. Like, I had given myself 45 minutes when I was home to, like, this is fine. Some stuck in your throat, like, you know, just just, like, like, I was trying to, you know, cough it out and stuff, and nothing was happening. And I that's when I worked myself into a panic of, like
yeah. Yeah. So we get there, and I was very nervous because I was like, yeah. I'm gonna meet you there because I like, you don't he didn't have anyone to go with. And that's so fucked up thing to have to go to the emergency room by yourself and just be alone in the emergency room.
So we get there. We check-in. He has his, they did, like, an EKG on him right away, and that's where I started to calm down because I was like, alright. They they said that he's he's breathing okay. It's something else, but he's breathing okay.
So I was like, alright. He's this is this is gonna at least not like he's not being rushed off with, like, the compressors and everything. We check-in. I did say they asked I I was his emergency contact, and they're like, how do you know him? And I said, best friend.
And the woman was like, okay. Like, why would you tell me that? We went we went back. So we went back into the emergency. We got a we he checked in.
We got everything checked in. He's like, alright. He's not gonna die right away. Waited a few minutes. He had to go get an MRI.
So we go all the way back. He has to get the gown, everything. We're sitting there, and the guy the the nurse, male nurse walks in. This is like a sitcom. Yeah.
He just goes, oh, shit, Hank.
Well, he, like, popped his head in. It was a dirt and he, like, popped his head in. It was
just, like,
what's up, guys? I was, like, oh my god.
Like, oh, shit. Hank, can can I help you? You had, like, tubes? Yeah. Yeah.
So shout out our male nurse. He actually gave me 2 lunchables that was probably or, Uncrustables. That was probably too much, but whatever. I ate them. So shout out our guy.
He he took care of us well. He was very, very nice, but it was very it was just like Kramer walking in
the door. Like, he was like
It was so perfect. And he was just like, oh, shit. Hank. And then he looked at me. He's like, oh, what are you guys doing here?
It's like, well, we're having a fucking problem. If you listen
to the part of my take on that Wednesday, you can probably tell that Hank's voice is not, like, all the way there. You're you were but you gritted out. You got through it. But, yeah, you were you were not in a good place at that point. No.
And I'm glad I'm glad that it's nothing serious that you're able to are you ever wait. Are you ever gonna smoke again?
I think I'm gonna stop. I'm I'm I'm gonna I'm not gonna say I'm never gonna smoke again. I haven't smoked, and I think I've kinda quit the habit. I'm sure there will be times, like, with other people, I think I my plan is to quit smoking alone and, like, only smoke, you know, special occasions. Nice.
Mhmm. Or with friends. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, maybe no more only when James is throwing interceptions.
No more bubblers. Yeah.
No more bubblers and no more no more lonely stoner.
Okay. Alright. And then so there's a couple other moments that were ridiculous. 1, I I was happy I was there, not only to be with Hank, but also, I was kind of acting as maybe his not decision maker, but, like, hey, maybe because they were like, hey, do you want some anxiety medicine? And, Hank was like, no.
And then I went in the hallway. I was like, yeah. We need that. Like, this could be a this could be it. So, and then the woman comes in.
The doctor comes in. Doctor was a woman. No big deal. And was, like, we're gonna put you through some breathing exercises, to see how, like, your lungs are working. And Hank and I both are so stupid.
We thought, like, she was gonna make him start, like, singing and stuff.
Like Yeah. Like,
oh. 1, 2, 3.
You're doing, like, the pregnancy ones? Yeah.
That's when I started to get embarrassed. I'm like, oh, no. Yeah. Butch again, like, it was I was, like, thinking to myself for, like, the 2 hours when I thought it was bad. I was, like, just please let it not be a big deal.
So and then about 45 minutes after I took the medicine, I I was, like, oh, I feel good. Like and then I was like, oh, shit.
Yeah. I
I this was a panic attack. Yeah. I was a little embarrassed, but I I was like I did give the, like, please let this not be a big deal, and I promise I'll change my ways, and I I have. But it's like, I was I was happy but embarrassed when the medicine kicked in, and I was like, oh, if if I felt like this, I never woulda came here. I'm fine.
And I was like, oh. Yeah. It was just yeah. The anxiety medicine calmed you down, and you're fine.
Yeah. So, I mean, once he once he did the breathing exercise, the anxiety medicine was maybe, like, 2 in the morning, and I was like, was like, I think I'm good. Like, you should go. And I was like, alright. You sure?
And I was like, yeah. You should go. And I was like, alright. I'll I'll leave. Like, let me know if you need anything.
And, I was thanking the nurse, the AWL nurse, as I was leaving. And then I go walk down the hallway, and this girl stops me. And she's like, hey. Are are you big cat? And I was like, yeah.
And she's like, oh, I recognize your voice from down the hallway. And I was like, oh, cool. And she's like, yeah. My boyfriend is a huge, listener of your guys' podcast. Can you say hi to him?
I was like, I thought she was gonna pull out her phone or something. And she's like, yeah. He's right there. He just got hit by a car. It was a fucking AWL.
Can you imagine With a broken leg just laying. I was like, what's up, dude? He's like, oh, hey. What's up, big cat?
Imagine being that guy. You get into a car accident. You're in the hospital, and then big cat just, like, pokes his head.
John Cena, you think you're gonna die.
He's like, what up, dude?
Yeah. We should start doing that, going around to emergency rooms and just asking for dudes between the age of 18 and 40. Hey.
Yeah.
We're here to cheer you up.
I've been thinking about that guy. I he was probably expecting us to talk about it right away. I hope he's doing okay. That sucked that you got hit by a car, dude. But, yeah, I hope you're okay.
Yeah.
But, yeah, I mean, end of the day, I was I was I was nervous for Hank. I'm happy he's fine. It was definitely a moment where I was, like, I was saying the same prayers in my ride over being, like, he better be okay, perspective.
Perspective and and and, yeah, like, you know, you guys were super, super helpful throughout the whole 2 weeks aftermath, and then it just you know, like, literally, you guys are the most important people in my life, and that just kinda reinforced it. So a little serious. But I
love it. Yeah.
I'm happy I'm happy that I'm I'm good. And and the dunking thing, it didn't work out, but it was a good, like, good it helped the focus of, like, you know, and when when I was home by myself, it was, like, just get on the treadmill, throw a bunch of layers and walk for, like, an hour and a half and just, like, stay out of my apartment and just kinda, like, distract myself. So And it was a good distraction.
You did improve a lot.