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And PFT, I think Dan Kimball has an addiction, and his addiction is doing the craziest fucking shit at every turn. He's addicted to being a psychopath.

He is he is insane. Insane. Dan Campbell is insane, and this was a rare instance where, like, it worked at the end. And I still think it was fucking crazy.

It yeah. No. He did 2 things. That it was it was not only that. It was going for on his own 30 Yeah.

In what was it? The 3rd quarter. It he just wants he I don't think he fully feels alive unless he's doing something that everyone in the stadium's like, no. What are you doing? Stop.

Please stop. What did he do? He he went for it. So first of all, it was lions win, 3431. Great, great game.

Probably 1 of the best games, Thursday night games we've had. It was 45 seconds left, 4th and inches on the 19 yard line or 20 yard line, wherever it was. And, going in. Going in, and Dan Campbell could've kicked the field goal and given the packers maybe 40 seconds left. Instead, he went forward on 4th down and, to get, you know, that extra time off the clock and be able to end the game without the Packers getting the ball back.

But he went for it on 4th down after getting stuffed on 3rd down. And if you don't get it there, you're you I mean, you could lose in in regulation. It's going to overtime. You could just kick the field goal with 40 seconds left, but no. No.

No. Dan Campbell's like, fuck it. I'm a psycho. I'm basically I'm a make sure they never get the ball back. I'm going for this on 4th down.

The risk reward was insane in that because what he ended up doing was he got the first down, and then he just proceeded to take 40 seconds off the clock and kick the field goal with no time left. It's So he defeated he defeated Matt LaFleur, and he also defeated the clock. Yeah. He defeated time tonight. He's 1 and o against time.

Yeah. And it was, we were having a debate after the game. I I mean, I would have just kicked the field goal, but I'm not Dan Campbell. But the 1 thing I've always said about Dan Campbell is he's consistently psycho. And, we're you know, Stephen Shea was sitting next to me.

He's like, he they're gonna lose a game. Like, that's gonna cost him. He's like, yeah. It might, but they did a they they they went for it on 4th down on their own 31 in the Q3 that did not work. And so I feel like Dan Campbell's got this algorithm in his head, this big balls algorithm that's like, if we just go forward enough on fourth down, enough of them will go our way, and we'll come

out winners. He feels like Tin Cup if he was a football coach. Just, like, constantly challenging, like, staring death in the face repeatedly when he knows that he shouldn't. Right. He probably knows it's a problem too.

Yeah. Like, after the game, after the adrenaline rush wears off, have you ever done anything really stupid in your life and you got away with it? A lot of things. A lot of shit? You know that feeling that you get when, like, you wake up the next morning and you're like, fuck.

That was dangerous.

Yeah.

I should've died.

I shouldn't have done that. Yeah. And then later on in life, you think back to how dumb you were as a kid, and you get scared all over again Yeah. What you did. Dan Campbell wakes up after game days, and he's like, oh, fuck.

I did it again.

Oh, man.

But it worked out. That.

You guys aren't even mentioning that Jared Goff tripped on the play. He was somehow able to get the I know.

Drop off.

Great hand off.

Like, it was an unbelievable hand off.

Great hand off.

But he like, that the it it was so close to just blowing up in his face.

And this this double blew Max's mind. Max is double mad right now. Because, 1, obviously, the packers, they lost. Max was hoping that they were gonna win. But then, 2, he hears us talk about Dan Campbell, and all his brain translates it into is if this was Nick Sirianni, you guys would make 45 minutes out of what a turkey is on the podcast.

But that's the thing. Dan Campbell is consistently So

is Nick Sirianni. Always not. Nick Sirianni does dumb shit all the time. It was just in the beginning of the year, none of it was working.

That's that's a good point. Nick Sirianni does dumb shit about

the time.

He does Dan Campbell shit. No.

So Dan And

it just wasn't working.

Dan Campbell does

That's the only difference.

Dan Campbell does a lot of aggressive stuff that is borderline dumb.

So does Nick Sirianni.

This was 1 example where no. Nick Sirianni does a lot of dumb dumb stuff. This was 1 example where Dan Campbell did something that was dumb. This was doy doy.

Yeah.

If he if Jared Goff slips there and falls down and and and isn't able to get did. And he isn't able to get that hand off, you are talking about how much of a fucking idiot he is right now.

We all we kind of are right now. Yeah.

I mean, he but, again But there's no, like No. But, I They won. He's crazy. He's psycho. But, again, he just cons he is consistent.

He he he has a way of doing it, and he's always going to put Dan Campbell's basically driving a car with his foot on the gas to the floor at all times.

And the, the gas meter is, like, right on empty. Yeah. He's like, I think we can make it. Yeah. Let's pass this exit.

He's just always like, we're never gonna take our foot off the gas, and I I think that that's why it works. I think that's why they have 11 what they that was their 11th straight win. They're 12

and 1. And what's crazy is it was December 5th, 3 years ago, that they got their first 1 of the season Yeah. Under Dan Campbell. The Lions beat the Vikings with that walk off touchdown.

And now they have

And now they're

Their 12th win. Quickly flipped it in week 14.

I wanna address Max's point, though. Max, if that happened to the Eagles and it Nick Serrani makes a crazy, crazy play call on 4th down. He's rolling the dice going for it, and Jalen Hurts' foot gets stepped on. Do you think Jalen Hurts can make a game winning play in a Super Bowl after he gets stepped on? If if Or would or would If he would if he would land 25 yards short.

On and throw a 75 yard pass, I don't think Jared Goff would have been able to

do that. Play.

I said I just said make the play. Hand the ball off. Yes. Make the play. Make the game winning play.

You're

comparing a a once in a 1000000 Hail Mary to a handoff.

Just saying

That's what you're doing

right now.

You're doing right now.

He gets it done.

A Hail Mary to a handoff.

It's listen. I don't agree with going for it there, but, again, that's just what he does. He's a psycho. And it might And the guys love it, and they fight for him. And the lions are the best team in football right now.

And, Max, here's what I should say. Alright. 1 1 thing about the packers. The packers, I think, are still there I still have them in my problem territory where the I think they could make a run-in the playoffs. They can't have what happened tonight where Jordan Love had a slow start, and it felt like, you know, I I know that they were you blinked, and in the Q3, they were up.

But they were down 10 in the first half, and it it just didn't feel like they had any rhythm besides that that deep ball. So they gotta get they gotta get, like, started a little faster, especially in a playoff game. But so the Packers, I think, are are fine, and the and they'll make a or fine by the way of, like, I'm very nervous about them. The lions, though. Max, the lions are gonna lose another game.

Yeah. But it doesn't matter. Like, the Bills next week's basically a buy for them. Them losing that game

Oh, because they're in division.

Because it's because it's

But then they gotta play the niners, the vike the bears, the niners, and the vikings.

They need yes. 1 of those and even the niners, I don't know if that gets it done. It needs to be

Max is obviously nervous because he wants the 1 seed very badly. Mhmm.

And it's a big 1 seed. This is huge. Like, going to Detroit. Huge. It's it's tough.

It's a massive 1 seed.

It's not even going to the it's

them coming to Philly.

Yeah. Yeah.

Like That's it. That's it.

They don't win that game in Philly.

Not with the not with the link.

They don't win that game.

The lions are so good, though. Yeah. They're so good. And Tim Patrick

And all their big games are

at home.

No. They have to they have to go play at the bears and at the niners.

But the niners, like

Max that Max will at the end of the

game was on his phone

screaming, all their games are at home. All their games

are at home.

Play home games. All their games are at home.

That was me deflecting. That was me being

It's okay. Yeah. You can be mad. Wait. So they

have big

games that are on their own? They're division games. They have the Bills at home next week. That's

what Dude, that's what that's

what really set it off. They're scared to play home again. The scariest thing about the lions too is just everyone gets involved. They had they had, 6 guys have 5 or more catches tonight. Mhmm.

And it's just every single guy contributes. And, and by the way, Josh Jacobs, 3 touchdowns. He was awesome.

Yeah. If you're the packers, you're obviously upset that you lost this game. You're very upset because it was it was winnable, but you also know that, like, you can beat the lines. It's not. You can beat the lines.

You're all in 2 against them.

But you can beat them. Maybe. Beatable. Maybe.

It's up to beat the team 3 times.

Do you

think the

packers could beat the lions in Philly? Yes. I I think definitely. Yes.

If it was for the 1 seed?

Yeah. For the 1 seed. Yeah.

Yeah. I wasn't paying attention. I I'm looking at their away games right now. It's crazy.

What what's crazy?

I mean, it's just bullshit.

How many are there?

Less. Uneven. So they have less less road games than home games.

Damn. That's crazy.

I have

a question for you, big cat. Yeah. Does Matt Le Flore have an anger problem?

He what was he angry about, by

the way? He's been he's been very angry the last month or so.

We almost fought a fan before the game.

Yeah. Before the game, this is from

I'm a I have his side

on this. Dyer Carriger. Matt LaFleur just told Alliance fan on the field who was taunting in his face to shut the fuck up.

I'm on Matt LaFleur's side. The guy was out there to to do the big flag. I don't think you should be yelling at a a NFL coach where you're doing the big flag. Yeah. Just respect America.

I also don't think And I

kinda like Matt Flores fired up. I also don't think

that this reporter should have reported on that. Yeah. Like, keep that to yourself.

Yeah. Keep it to yourself. You're narc. But what was he mad about?

He was mad the entire game. He's mad all the time now. I don't know what it is,

but he's mad Le Flore. He's mad Le Flore. I think he probably I mean, this was a very important game, and it was a great game. And I have 1 other note I had that's unfortunate. We have stood strong in, the don't don't try to retire Al Michaels.

His energy was not there for a game of this caliber. Mhmm. This was a playoff game. Mhmm. And it was he was calling touchdowns like they were, like, you know, 5 yard outs in in the first 5 minutes of the game.

Yeah. But he can bounce back.

But it's just like this if if there was a time to bounce back, it was this game. Maybe This was the game.

Saving something for January.

This was the game. Does he

have a game in January? Out.

I think they stopped. No. Week 18 doesn't have any Thursday night football. It's kind

of ironic that he's turned into a vegetable.

Yeah. He is. It's crazy. It's crazy. I just I needed more of out of him.

I needed more out of him, and I just feel like this was the time for him to to really give us more.

Yeah. It's okay. I I'm willing to forgive.

I am too. I mean, I'm not listen. I still love the game, and the announcer doesn't affect me that much.

Yeah. But I just don't want his last season, but I don't wanna I don't wanna kick Al

Michaels out. I don't, yeah, I don't want him to go out in a way that it's like, you know, like, if we keep going, and it's, like, 2, 3 years from now, and we're like, damn. What's going on? What

was the over under on this game? It was 52. That's smashed. Maybe maybe that's why he kinda turned it down because the overhead And he already had it? Else.

Yeah.

What are you looking at, Max?

I remember there was a streaming playoff game last year, but it's peacock, not am I well

It's on the cock. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what I got.

You were worried that, oh, you thought it was gonna be everything.

Had a they had a wild card round game, but that's Got it. I was thinking of.

You're not gonna

be in the wild card round. No. He's worried about Al Michaels calling the

playoff game. And, yes, we are. With

that with that attitude, yes. You're right.

The line with that attitude home games.

With that attitude, yes. Yes, Max. Anything else from this game? I just love this game. It's just Great.

I yeah. I mean, I don't know, like, having a game of this caliber on a Thursday night was fucking awesome.

So somehow somehow the Lions defense, I know statistically, they didn't play well. They're the most injured, the

most ever if you if you talk to a Lions fan.

Yeah. They I think they have 13 guys on injured reserve. I believe that includes offense too, but they've got a lot of guys that are hurt. The defense didn't look they didn't look as bad as their numbers were. Right.

That's what

I'm saying. I guess Well you know what

it is? It's when they hit you, the guys that are out there, if they're in position to if they're in the right position and they're playing well as as a team, they knock the fuck out of you. They hit you hard, but then they also give up, like, a lot of really, really big easy plays.

Yeah.

So it tricks you into thinking that they're better than they are because when they make a tackle, they make a fucking tackle.

Alim McNeal is very, very important for their defense, and he went out, like, was it 6 minutes into the game? Yeah. So, yeah, they'll they'll maybe get I mean, I think Anzalone's coming back, get a little healthier. But, yeah, the lines are lines are just good. You can get Aidan Hutchinson back for the Super Bowl, maybe.

Maybe. Maybe. I had 1 last thing. We didn't say it because we we taped everything else earlier, but we did get the Spotify rap numbers. And thank you to all the AWLs.

It just blows my mind every year. Yes. Thank you. Crazy.

Thank you very, very much.

All the people tweeting us, all the people hitting us on Instagram, we don't take it for granted 1 bit. At the end of the year, I always think about it like, fuck, man. We have the best job in the world, luckiest guys in the world. And it's like all these people spend all this time with us, and it's it's not lost on us at all.

No. There's so many podcasts out there that you could listen to. And as a podcast listener myself, you know, you make that choice

Yeah.

Every single time. So thank you. Thank you for making that choice, and we love you guys and appreciate you.

Yeah. Memes, you wanna say anything to our fans?

I love you.

Okay. Nice. That was good. What about to us? You guys are cool too.

Oh, okay. Thanks. Alright.

Of d.

Oh, and I'm cool, sir.

Now this yeah. Oh, hey. T's here. Alright. That was perfectly said.

I've started a new tradition where I just hug memes every time I see him. Yeah. And he just physical he just, like, recoils. Yeah. He doesn't he doesn't like touching.

He doesn't like touching. Hank, you guys anything you wanna say?

No. Yeah. Love you guys. It's Spotify. Apparently, Spotify fired a bunch of people, and that's why the Spotify raps were were just bad in general.

Like, it was crazy seeing our numbers, but the esthetic feeling of going through your own personal Spotify rap and even our part of my take Spotify rap wasn't the same. And, apparently, it's because Spotify, like, fired a bunch of people.

Oh, shit. Very well said.

I don't know why.

Yeah. I really will say.

I don't know why

I said that. I don't

know why I said that. Thanks for the thing.

I don't know why I said that.

Thanks to everybody. It's fun. You wanna

take another shot at it?

Yeah. I mean, I just

get weird when I get emotional. I I I'll you know, our fans are the best fans in the world.

We're not emotional guys.

Mind blowing that 100 of 1,000, if not millions of people, you know, listen and watch the show, know who we are. I forget that all the time. I just think I'm saying stupid shit with my friends.

Yeah. Though it's just how it should always remain. That's the beauty of the show is that we have never really thought that we're not just saying stupid shit with our friends, Max. Sorry, Spotify. You have a I don't

know why you did that. That was just like a fuck Spotify

ring for

no reason. That was so weird.

Yeah. Listen.

I know you've heard. I know you're

very close. It's like,

Swad and I rap. Said it. Yeah. Max, instead of saying thank you to our fans, do you have anything else to say about the line schedule?

Also Apple Music. Do something similar. Maybe that's maybe this is your channel.

Encouraging people to Thank

you for listening

to everyone who listens to Apple Music too.

I think Apple Music does. Apple Podcast does.

Apple Podcasts. Thank you. Everyone listens on Apple Podcast. I think you any everyone

Google Play.

Google Play. Yeah. Wazoo. On Bumble. Feature.

Is that still a thing?

Yeah. Iheart. Yeah. That's Amazon. Iheart?

Yep. Yep. Hell, yeah.

On Iheart. I think Google might have got rid of podcast.

I think we're on Iheart.

Fuck. No. Not gonna say that.

No. Max, anything last thing about the line schedule instead of saying thank you to the fans?

The fans probably know how easy the line schedule And that they've just given them all of their hard games

at home.

I know. It's

I feel like

they play only their division rivals only

at home. I know.

For some reason, I'm only paying attention to divisional games at home.

Oh. I don't even think

that they played those road games earlier in the season.

Oh, man. Alright. Let's, let's kick it to ourself. We got week 14 preview. We've got RG 3, and then we've got some great fire fest and, a little lottery ball magic.

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Okay, boys. Week 14. It's getting late. This is not a great slate. We got, 6 teams on a byes.

Last by week of the season, Broncos, Colts, Patriots, Commanders, Ravens, Texans. It has left us with, I would say, not the greatest, groupings of games, but that usually is what gives us the most chaos.

There's a couple good ones out there.

There's a couple good ones, but, you would agree there's also some ones that we'll go through quickly. Yeah.

We can just talk about draft picks.

Right. Right. Okay. So here's here's I I have the I have them ranked in kinda order. 1 of the first ones that I thought was compelling.

I don't know. This, I think, might be main TV. Falcons at Vikings.

Yep. Vikings Kirk Cousins revenge game.

Kirk Cousins revenge games. Vikings minus 5a half over under 45a half all in the DraftKings, app. This is kinda do or die for the Falcons here because it feels like everything is trending in in the wrong direction. And now you go up against the Vikings defense. Brian Flores knows Kirk Cousins from last year.

He's gonna blitz the fuck out of him. And here's a stat for you. Kirk Cousins, when he gets sacked 3 plus times, he is 1 in 3 straight up this year, and he is 1 in 5 straight up when getting sacked 3 plus times over the last 2 seasons. Gun to your head, do you think he gets sacked more than 3 times on Sunday?

I think he gets sacked more than 3 times.

Because I

think the Vikings are gonna win.

Also, we talked about the in the hunt graphic a lot on this show because it comes out, you know, what, 2 weeks ago, I think they debuted in the hunt.

Yeah.

And how it can be, like, a a very powerful narcotic if you are a fan of a bad team that is still featured in the in the hunt graphic. Yep. Because it tricks you into rooting for your team even though you should actually be hoping that they lose as many games. I'm not talking about, like, as the games are playing, you all become fans and you root for a team to win during the game.

Yeah.

But it makes you think, oh, we still have a chance and you almost never have a chance. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are the team that's lurking in the hunt. Yeah. They're they're, like, right there with the falcons. If anything fucks up with the falcons, the Bucs are ready to just take that division and run away with it.

Yeah. The the falcons obviously have the tiebreaker because they beat them twice, but it is definitely, it feels like 2 teams going in the opposite direction. Right now, we talked about it, I think, 2 or 3 weeks ago when I we were saying take the Bucks plus 400 to make the, to win the NFC South. Yeah. Because you're just looking at the schedules and looking at how the Bucks are playing, getting healthier.

Yeah. This could be given the fact that the Bucks are playing the Raiders and the and the Vikings are playing the Falcon or the Falcons are playing the Vikings, this could be the week that the Bucks are now in 1st in the NFC South.

Yeah. So Aaron Jones had a bad last week. Yeah. And he's fixing it. He's trying to I don't think he's in Kevin O'Connell's doghouse.

In fact, kind of the opposite. They kinda nurtured him this week. Kevin O'Connell kept saying, like, I love Aaron. He's the best. Everybody loves Aaron.

So what's the what's the opposite of a doghouse? He's sleeping on the bed? Sleeping on

the bed. Yeah. Sleeping under the covers.

Sleeping under the covers on the bed.

Yeah. He owns the bed now. Ultimate, opposite of doghouse.

Yeah. So Aaron Jones to to fix the fumbling remedy, some guys carry around a football all week, and that teaches them not to fumble. He's been carrying around his children like footballs in his arms all week teaching himself not to fumble. High and tight.

I like this strategy. He's he's been breastfeeding?

I like I don't know if he has, but it would mean that Aaron Jones has 3 generations of Joneses on his body at all times because doesn't he wear he wears his dad's ashes

Yeah.

And a necklace around his his, neck. So a lot of Joneses. I like the strategy of carrying your kids around.

I'd like to see how he does it though because if it's if it's a baby and it's reverse, I think that's even funnier where it's the asses to his to his, like, chest.

Yeah.

So the face is out. So he's carrying it around. The baby gets kind of like a good POV.

You think he's palming his baby's face? No. I would think back No.

No. No. No. I'm saying he's he's got the he's got his hand on the on the baby's chest.

Okay. Got it.

Got it. So so so the baby can, like, look out and he's holding it high and tight, that'd be kinda cool.

But then he's exposing his baby's head, exposing the end of the football. He's carrying his baby like a little crack.

If his baby can't slide.

That's true.

Yeah. We should give credit, because sometimes we get caught in the trap of, like, hey. This guy stinks. This guy stinks. Matty Befloors is an idiot.

Sometimes some of us get caught in that trap. Kevin O'Connell has been elite in 1 score games. So he is 249 straight up in 1 score games, and is the 3rd best win percentage for any head coach in NFL history. 7 and 1 this year in 1 score games. He's such an awesome coach.

And, like, that kind of is if you had to pick a stat for, what makes a great coach, it might be 1 score games. Yeah. Because those are the games where, like, you know, blowout wins, blowout losses probably doesn't have a a big factor to coaching. 1 score games when you have to make decisions late in the Q4, the definition of a great coach Kevin O'Connell is at.

Yeah. High scoring, 1 score games. Yeah. Where do you stand in that? I think he's probably pretty good at it.

And it's just Even

though yeah. It's still weird

to me that that they didn't give him he was, like, doing a contract before the season, and then they just stopped during the season. They said, we'll figure it out later. I think next year would be his last season as a head coach for the Vikings. I think that's more contract is, like, what more did he have to do leading to this point to make you feel if you're a Viking if you're the owner of the Vikings, like, this is our coach. We wanna lock him up.

You went on expert mode and was like, here, you

wanna make Sam Darnold good? Josh Dobbs.

Yeah. Remember that? Remember JJ McCarthy? They should've locked him up. JJ McCarthy's gonna end up being the best quarterback from that draft class.

Well That's just what's gonna end up happening after all this discussion, and then JD McCarthy is somehow gonna be, like, the best player of all time.

Is it gonna affect him at all that they play on artificial grass, and so he can't properly ground himself before the games?

They'll probably put a patch

Which is a patch on Yeah. Where he can also plant a flag if you get Yeah. Upset if you come in there and beat him. Yeah.

But, yeah, I I I like the Vikings in this game, and I do think the Falcons are in deep, deep trouble, especially because the way they lost that chargers game, their defense finally showed up and had a great game, and their offense completely let them down. I don't know. I just I feel like it's slowly the air is coming out of the balloon for the Falcons.

And it is Kirk Cousins' revenge week, but talking to Kirk, he doesn't seem well, he made it seem like he gets into, like, psycho Kirk mode, but I I don't see a revenge game from Kirk. I see a a turn the other cheek game from Kirk. Yeah.

It sounded like when we when we did talk to him that it was the Commander's game will be more of a revenge game.

Yeah. And and, really, what does Kirk have to be upset about? Like, a revenge game for paying me 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars?

Living an awesome life. The fans loving me.

Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Next up, Browns at Steelers. Steelers minus 6a half. Over under is 46.

Have you guys watched any of the hard knocks? I saw clips of it. I I watched the first part of it the other night. I love my Tomlin more than anyone, I think, in the NFL right now. It's crazy how awesome he is.

He is just he gets in front of a room and I you just get pumped up. And then he was sitting watching tape. There was this clip where he's sitting watching tape. He's got his feet up on the on the desk. He's eating, chili cheese Fritos, which are elite.

Mhmm.

And he's just like, yeah. We gotta we gotta get physical with them. They gotta he said some clip like, he might this running back here for the Bengals, he doesn't know your name today, but he better know your name on Monday. And I was like, yes.

Mhmm.

Let's go. Yeah. So, yeah, he's the best.

I like all the coach speaks. Like, when they get up in front of the team, they're like, this this NFL schedule has been designed to crush you. Yeah. It's been designed to defeat you. And then, was it Stefanski or was it Zack Taylor that was like, you guys wanna be in the playoffs?

Stefanski. He's like, you're already in.

Congrats on the place. That's that's exactly what you say to a team that you know is not gonna be very good. Yeah. Like, congrats, guys. We made the playoffs because it's week 1, and everybody's in the playoffs.

Yeah. But Tomlin, man, he just he's he I get it. Like, just even I I I've obviously started to realize it, but I now fully, fully get it in the fact that, like, watching him in front of a room. He opened up his his house for the whole team for Thanksgiving.

I like that.

He's like, if anyone needs a place to go, come over to my house. And, yeah, he's he his big thing was either you're thriving or surviving. If you're if you're if you're just surviving, figure out a way to thrive.

The league will figure you out.

Yeah. Just it's great.

Makes me feel like I'm in a locker room.

Yeah. And then Jameis doing, like, practicing cadences with no shoes on in the quarterback's room was pretty awesome. He's the best. It's good. The AFC North Hard Knocks is very good.

As for this game, fun fact, which I think I just memory hold because the browns went and won a playoff game in Pittsburgh. But the Cleveland browns have not won a regular season game in Pittsburgh since. Anyone got a guess? Baker?

Miles Miles Garrett? Give me

a quarterback and a year if you can. Baker 2020. No. The Browns have lost. Mason Rudolph assault.

No. Yeah. That's what I that's what I was going for when I said Miles Garrett.

The last time win. The last time the the Cleveland Browns have won a regular they got it. Hey. 2003. That's crazy.

20 years. Because they won in the playoff game, so it doesn't feel like that.

Yeah. That's at that's actually insane.

COVID playoff game? That was the COVID playoff game.

So

That was Stefanski wasn't able to he was in his, basement.

Yeah. That's right.

Isn't that nuts?

Yeah. That's that's very depressing.

How much like, how much you can count of COVID playoff game.

Oh, also, No. We gotta give that. Come on, Hank.

Yeah. Yeah. It was late. They had fans there, probably first responders in the stadium. It was weird, but

I'm gonna I'm gonna count it. You got it.

Come on. You hate Cleveland.

Is that true, Hank? No. I

didn't. There was a guy, and I I think he was being serious. And so hosting this show, we get a lot of fan bases that claim that we hate them.

We started to get,

like, a taste of the Joe Buck life. For the first time, there was a Browns fan that accused me directly. He's like, PFT, you've always hated the Cleveland Browns. And that to me is, like, the last fan base that I would have expected that from.

That one's weird. It's weird. Right? I've gotten a couple weird ones.

I think it's because, like, I in the Baker Brown split up

What what are you saying? What's the 1 you're talking about memes?

Yeah. Memes are I agree with the Browns fan. That I hate the Browns? Yeah. I just took Baker's side.

I said you should've kept Baker when they did it.

I had an issue. PFT memes is agreeing with.

Yeah. Memes hates me right now. And for the record, I don't hate memes. I love memes.

I also love memes.

So, in that 20 years, since the Browns have lost last won a regular season game in Pittsburgh, the Browns have only beaten the Steelers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8 times in the regular season total. So it's it's been hammer and nail. And also coming off a

a very public win against the Steelers in prime time.

Yeah. Very emotional win. Reverse.

I feel like this is this is prime for a Tomlin shit kicking.

Alex, Highsmith is back. But I do hate the Browns. I, Yeah. You do. You do hate the Browns.

It I I don't think the Browns are gonna quit, but because of Jameis. But this is we we are on quit watch for some teams right now. Yeah. Like, this is definitely the part of the season. Also, did you guys see wait.

So back to that real quick. What what's the that Browns fan saying that you hate the Browns is definitely 1 of the weirdest. I was trying to think which 1 I had. I can't remember. But there's always a a stray 1 where it's like, what are you talking about, dude?

Yeah. I think sometimes we don't realize it because we just talk, and we say, like, a stray comment can really affect somebody. Yeah. And they I I get it as

a fan. What memes? What? I would file

it a way.

Think you guys hate it.

Oh, I do hate the Vikings, but that's because they're in the NFC North. I I don't hate the

Vikings at all. Dolphins, Raiders. I don't hate those. Those are the ones I remember seeing. No.

I'm saying, like, I remember

people Yeah.

No. Not for me. The Raiders, we did on purpose when we didn't remember we didn't do them for fastest 2 minutes.

Yeah. Yeah.

That was all of 2019, maybe.

I also just wanna say if you pick against the team, that doesn't mean you hate the team. Like, that's someone's gotta cover the spread.

Unless it's me and the Browns.

In this case, you

and the Browns. Very personal.

And you are taking the Steelers?

I'm I just said, this is Mike Tomlin shit kicking.

Yeah. Did you see Mike Tomlin's quote about, Joey Porter getting flagged 6 times? He said, when we play Shaq, we're gonna use our fouls.

Yeah. Yeah. Well alright. So this week, they've got Land Clark officiating. Oh.

You know, Land and his crew, they like to throw a lot of pass interference

flags,

which that should be a stat for the offense and for the defense too. Yeah. And actually not a bad stat for the defense because if you commit pass interference, it means that your quarterback was in position to make a play. True. But it should be a good stat for the like, what quarterbacks out there right now?

I I feel like Russ would not be a bad pass interference quarterback with the moon balls.

No. He would be good. Yeah. You're right.

Yeah. If you got if you got late hands getting him up there.

Yeah. Although, Joey Porter. Joey Porter.

He does get. Well, the sealers might be very good at drawing offensive pass interference and also very bad at committing defensive pass interference.

True. I'm I'm I'm backing on believing on the sealers. It's great. This team makes no sense

to me

because I they're good, but, like, I also don't. I'm gonna need Russell Wilson to win another Super Bowl for me

to say he's not washed. Is he back in the hall of fame?

He might be. He might be. Should we leak our news? It's also hard for oh, yeah. Let's leak our news a second.

It's hard. I don't know if you guys struggle with this as well. It's very difficult for me to make a quick transition on a team on what I expect from them. I don't expect the Steelers to score a lot of points and have explosive plays. They clearly can do that with this offense, but my brain is not caught up, and it probably won't catch up for, like, 4 to 5 years.

Yeah. And we talk about this with RG 3 a little bit. But do you know what I'm saying that you can get a vibe for the Steelers offense pretty early in the game just on how fast Najee Harris looks?

Correct.

Just on the eyeball test. Yeah. It's, like, 1st run, is he doing the slow, like, 2 footed hop to the side and get tackled for 1 yard? Or is he, like, breaking it to the outside and hitting the hole hard? If he hits the hole hard on the first run, I feel like that's instantly Steelers' offense will be good that day.

Yeah. I agree. Yeah. You wanna bleak it? Should we well, let's bleep

it out. Can we can we bleep this out?

What are you gonna say, Max?

Do you think that there's any chance of a divisional look ahead game for the stealers?

No. Because this is a game in the division.

No. That's what I'm saying. Like, next week, they play they go to Philly, play the Eagles, play the 3 win browns.

That's not their division.

Why why are we talking about

the Wait. So what would be the look ahead?

That the that the Steelers are looking towards the Eagles now.

Because they just lost to the Browns, and it's they're in the division.

But okay.

It was a very it was a a prime time loss.

And, also, if you watch Hard Knocks, like, they all take a lot of pride in in division games.

I didn't watch Hard Knocks.

Okay.

Mhmm.

You don't you don't watch football during the week?

I watch it on I'm gonna watch tonight.

Okay. Okay.

There'll be a quiz.

You sure you can do it?

1000. What is it on?

What? Hard Knocks. It's on HBO. HBO. Max.

Max. It's literally on your app. Yeah.

Who asked it? Someone asked that question the other day.

I think it was Che.

Oh, yeah. That was a stupid question.

Oh, he's an idiot. So should we leak the snooze? Yeah. But maybe let's just bleep out, the second part of this guy's name.

Hold on.

I wanna read this too because I actually was I was too busy today that I saw it, but I didn't process it. But go ahead. I'm gonna read along.

Okay. So, we me and Big Cat got a text today from a guy at Barstool named Jersey Bleap out the second part of that so they can't figure out who it is. He has been contacted by a representative from Russell Wilson. And he said, I was a day 1 believer. Everybody counted him out.

I defended him. I'm so happy he's a Steeler. He's done so much in a short time. And, the representative was very happy that Jerry was out there defending Russ. Jerry sent us a screen grab of this and said, oh my god, guys.

Don't leak this yet. And I was confused what he what he meant by the what does he not want us to leak?

That his friends that he's DM'd with Russell Wilson's manager?

Yeah. And he said, well Don't leak

this.

I said, leak what? He said, this thread. I'm going to ask for a meet and greet with Russ. Is that too fast? And I said, what would we leak?

And he says, the thread, Eric, the messages. This is massive for me. And then update, this person said, have you met Russ yet? I want to make it happen. And then Jerry says, no.

I want to so bad with 3 exclamation points.

Also, I'm looking at this first time. Jerry's he's hearted too many messages. Yeah. So I He hearted every single 1 of her messages.

I said, are you hearting every message? He said, yeah. Is that too much? I it might be too much.

He might be too much.

It might be too much. It might be too much.

Because there's, I think, 5 messages from this person. He's hearted all of them.

Oh, no. He's mad at me now because I told him we were gonna maybe leak this.

Well, we

didn't leak it. We bleeped out his name.

Yeah. Also, what what will be the leaking of this? Yeah.

Hello?

Hey, Jerry. We're live on PMT right now. We we might have we bleeped out the second part of your name, but we did leak your messages. Is that a problem?

Yeah. Big 1.

Why?

Well, because the meeting is set up.

Oh, so It's

getting it's getting set up,

but I don't wanna ruin the chance of that. No.

How all

positive stuff.

If anything, this will actually make it like this person can't back out now because if they back out, it's like, hey. What did you do, Jared?

What? I I think you're actually right.

Yeah. To to steal a play from Providence Twitter, this is hashtag the meet and greet. Yeah.

When are you meet and greetin' him?

That's up to her, but I think it's gonna be sooner rather than later.

Jerry, 1 thing I noticed are why are you spelling it m e a t and Greece?

But if I do do the meet and greet, I want, like, full access.

What does full access mean?

Like, all access. Like No holds barred. Pre post

Pre post?

Pre game, post game, game worn something,

gloves or cleats or something.

Why don't we start with just meeting him?

Good. That'd be fair. Okay. That's fair.

What, now what what dates are you looking at?

She's the 1 looking at the dates.

Alright. But you can't miss streaming.

Yeah. We'll have to yeah. We're gonna we're gonna figure everything out, Dean.

Okay. Alright. So but but it's been leaked, but that's okay. Just put pressure on him.

Yeah. Yeah.

There you go. Rusty Riders. Rusty Riders.

Jerry Jerry, who do you like this weekend? Do you like

them to cover? Steelers or Browns?

I I think I think they win by 25.

Oh, wow. Okay. Alright. Thanks, Jerry. See you.

You got it.

Alright. Bye. Alright. The meet and greet and pre and post. It should be a lacquer.

Yeah. That was crazy that Max tried to bring in the Eagles for this.

He's always bringing up Philly sports.

I I'm just I want the Steelers to win Yeah.

Because we They will. Next week.

They will.

But I don't want the that that is my worry, and I don't think it's that bad of a take.

Okay. Next game. You know what? Before I say the game, I'm gonna give a trivia. Let's see who can get it.

Who leads the NFL in receptions this year?

Adam Thielen. Mhmm.

It's been hard for so much of the year, Hank. PFT? This shocked me. I got it wrong, so don't don't feel bad if you get it wrong. I got it

wrong when I when I saw it. Is it Garrett Wilson?

It is not Garrett Wilson. Any guests in the in the booth?

Memes is a good 1.

Brock Bowers?

It is Brock Bowers. Memes no small. How Brock Bowers and so so we're we're gonna do Raiders at Bucks, Bucks minus 6 half over under 46. Brock Bowers is first in receptions. He's 4th in yards.

I know that it will go to a quarterback, but Brock Powers is the best tight end in the NFL. But he should win rookie of the year. I disagree. I understand why you have to disagree.

I just, in principle, have to

do that. I understand why you But you see what I'm saying? Like, he is literally the best player at his position in the NFL as a rookie.

Well, it's it's also the fact that the Raiders don't really have anything else. Correct. So their they their opponents know that they have to get him the ball no matter what.

And they have not great quarterbacks throwing him the

ball. They're still getting him the ball.

He's that good. It's it's Do you think the fact

that he season. He literally doesn't look like a rookie Maybe. In and out of his helmet Maybe. That has something to do with. It's like, oh, this guy is basically like a BYU player.

Yeah. Playing against other guys.

I was just trying to figure out ways to talk about the Raiders without being a big bummer. Yeah. No. I mean Brock Bowers is that. Brock Bowers is awesome.

Yeah. He's incredible. Do we think Mike Vrabel's gonna be the next coach to the Raiders?

No. Because I think he's going to the Bears.

I think he might be the next coach to the Raiders.

Brady? Yeah. Brady connect.

Doesn't it feel like that maybe?

I have no idea

how coaching

shit's gonna play out.

I think the Bucs will probably win this game though and maybe cover it because it does feel like the Raiders that was, that was everything on their season against Chiefs. Yeah. They they,

everything's going good for him right now. Everything's looking good if you're a Bucs fan. Yeah. I know it was close against the Panthers.

And Baker's banged up. Baker's banged up. He hasn't played great in the last couple of years.

But Mike Evans had that sick catch.

He did.

I thought, why would

you replace a a former, you know, defensive stud players coach with a former defensive stud players coach?

Because Mike Vrabel's a really good coach in Antonio Pierce, who we like, maybe isn't. Is that a fair answer?

I guess. If you're going based off

I mean, Antonio Pierce is 1 I I know the team is bad, but I think Mike Vrabel's a better coach than Antonio Pierce.

Yeah. Antonio Pierce would be so pissed off if a Patriot took his job.

Yeah. He would. Maybe Jets too. I saw there was a Jets Mike Vrabel conversation. That should happen.

I did see that. He wants control of the GM choice, and then he would consider.

So he wants to pick the GM?

Wants control, and he doesn't care what Bill Belichick thinks about Woody Johnson. That that's what the report was.

I mean, that's that's smart to demand control.

I don't think he's gonna come here. No.

I think he might be the Raiders next

week. Wait. Does Vrabel he says that he wants control over who the GM will be, or he wants control over personnel?

That's what that's what the tweet was. He wants he wants to choose the GM so they're on the same page.

Got it.

Okay. Got

it. Yeah. The Bucks, I think I think we're gonna I think Monday morning, we're at the Bucks from the NFC South, top of the NFC South.

We get a pirate off in this game.

Yeah. Big time. Mhmm. I like the Bucks. Yeah.

Okay. Panthers at Eagles. Eagles minus 12 and a half over under 46. I'll say it. I think this is if the Eagles have to win this game by a lot for me to take them for real.

How much is a lot? They have to cover. If I want if I wanna take them for real, this is kind of a huge game.

Trust tree? Yeah. I said the look ahead thing because I'm

worried about a look. You're you're looking ahead,

but it's not divisional.

I know. But then I added divisional thing because I thought that made sense, and it honestly made No.

It made the opposite. It was opposite sides.

It was dumb. But that was me projecting. That was me projecting my own insecurities.

Max, would you ever think playing against the Giants, you would look ahead if you had the Steelers?

No. But yes. Honestly, yes.

Max, can I make you feel better about this game? Because I think the Eagles are gonna kill them.

But

everyone thinks eagles are gonna

kill them. But the no. But no. I actually disagree. I think there's, like the pears have covered a couple games in a row, so people are kind of like, why is the panthers aren't as bad as they used to be?

The eagles' defense is elite. They're top 5 in in total defense. They're also top 5 in run defense, which the panthers are gonna wanna try to do, which they won't be able to do. And then the panthers run defense is 31st in DvoA. I think this could be the game that Nick Sirani goes video game controller and tries to get sequel on the MVP.

That would be elite. That would be awesome for me.

I actually think we should contemplate for our TD parlay. Saquon 2? Saquon 2.

The problem with that is if this goes according to plan for the Eagles, it's gonna be it's gonna be a blowout, and then Barkley might not stay in the game.

But I think they're gonna I here's and I'm I'm not basing this off anything, but I'm just taking a guess. Could we potentially see instead of the tush push at goal line, Saquon trying to get some TDs?

Fake tush push?

No. Or just Saquon just running the ball normally and scoring that way because Now I know that. But I'm just saying

be the fake to tush push where they fake it and then pitch it to Saquon going to the outside.

Okay. But it's just like the like, Saquon, his his numbers are there. Maybe he needs a couple more TDs because Jalen Hurts has vultured some, so they might just pump them up a little bit this week. Max, do

you think that the tush push is getting back to, to pre post Kelsey levels of effectiveness?

No. It went there was a couple weeks where it's bad, but that was because Jordan Mylotta wasn't there because Jalen Hurts always goes towards Jordan Mylotta's side. So it's just with Mylotta back, it's still elite.

Just as

effective. I I feel like you have some sort of stat to tell me No.

No. I I this is not a trick question at all.

I'm just curious. It's, like

90 90 90 percent as effective with Jordan Mylotta.

Does it still give you, like, that same rush that you used to get?

I mean, I still have 0 I still get just as excited if we're 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1.

You

wouldn't be more excited if it was Jason Kelsey?

It really I I still kind of have that come you're you're just having me put a bad tape out there right now for when it does get fucked up, but I still have 95% of the comfortability that I did last year when it's 4th and 1. Like, I'm not I'm not worried. 95? 9 like, of last year.

I've realized what it is with Max when he gets stuck in the senses Mhmm. In his own brain. It's because he is actively thinking about whether or not his answer is going to give us something to make Right. For later. Later.

But he doesn't realize that no matter what his answer is

Yeah. Sometimes we just have conversations, Max.

Because, like, 95%, that seems like, that's pretty good, but there's also 5% where that could be game of inches. Ever heard of that?

You got yeah.

It sounds like

you I I get I get skeptical every single time you guys wanna talk to me.

95%. I think

you're out to get me.

95% is a very high number too.

Memes is nodding his head. Yeah.

I thought Hank I thought Hank was I thought you were looking at Hank when you're looking at me.

Meen's reactions are so funny in this in this episode. Here, Max. I got a good stat for you. Teams off overtime are 44% against the spread over the last decade. So 44% against spread's bad, and the spread's 12a half.

So even if the panthers cover, the eagles can still win comfortably. Eagles are gonna win this game, Max.

I would love to be 45% against the spread, by the way.

Yeah. Me too. Yeah.

Oh my god. You said that in

your I

was like, that's that seems like kinda good.

Yeah. It's it's basically making money. Yeah. This is not an NBA Cup division.

Yeah. Max, you're gonna win this game.

Yeah. No. I'm I think we're gonna win. I'm just worried it's gonna get I just don't want it to be I don't want them to get cute.

Yeah. Mhmm.

I don't want

them to get cute. And they're win every game, especially because I could see we're taping after this. The lions just lost. The eagles are playing

for the

the the

You're you're so bad at this match. You did so good for a little bit.

Oh, I know. That's just wishful thinking. And now this is gonna be the part that whatever. Yeah.

But, like,

if the Eagles are are like, they have to beat the Panthers for the 1 seed, it's like, oh, Eagles, 1 seed. Done. Yeah. Lock it in. And then it's like, oh my god.

We finally have a chance to be in the be the 1 seed, and then we lose to the fucking Panthers.

So Baldiani, undefeated after he shaved his head, does he is he gonna reshave his head, or is it just, like, this new hair? Whatever's growing in is good that's winning hair.

No. He just gotta he has to keep until he loses again, then he goes Baldiani again. Got

it.

Okay. So Every loss ball balled. You restart.

And I another thing that I've been worried about for the past couple weeks is Hank keeps saying it. When are we getting the NFL makes no sense game? It could have been the Raiders on on Friday on Black Friday.

Yeah.

Like, I'm worried that the Eagles are gonna get 1 of these. NFL makes no sense.

Here here's maybe your answer. What if we have already hit our our, like, full of it? We had so many

It was

early. September October. Raiders over Ravens. Remember the first, like, 4 weeks where it was just every every single every single week, there'd be, like, a 8 point dog that would lose outright? Or out 8 point favorite would lose outright?

Was a crazy year for the To start. Diver pools.

Correct. It's also kinda late in the season for those games. I agree that it might have just passed.

I don't know.

But you said it, and I've been thinking about it ever since. As soon as you said NFL makes no sense game, I've been worried it's gonna be coming to me.

We did get 1 2 weeks ago. What was that?

No. It's me. It's me.

Yeah. But it's still, like

It's delusional. It was, like, an 11 point spread.

But it's also, like What?

It's also what? It's also what?

I mean, it's not like a storied franchise.

Okay. Put it

in the bulletin board. Delta Commanders have more Super Bowls than the Eagles?

Yeah. We do. 3 times? How many do you have?

I think it's 3 times.

Were you alive? Times more?

Yes. I was. 3 times more?

Were you?

Yeah.

Fucking old

as shit. I was alive I

was alive for

2 of them. Okay. Saints and Giants. Giants minus 4 and a half over under is 41. Giants haven't covered in 7 straight games.

Yeah. There's a lot of depressing stats out there about the Giants.

This game is not this is gonna suck.

Because no Taysom Hill to me just means that the Saints are back to just a lot of Derek Carr.

Yeah. Too much Derek Carr.

Too much Derek. I like a little bit of Derek Carr.

Oh, I

do too. Just sprinkle them in there, but you also have to have, like, you know, the crazy Taysom Hill plays

Right.

Where it makes you excited as a viewer to watch, but we're not even gonna get that. There is a story line, big story line, guarantee. I'm gonna do the PFT guaranteed graphic of the week that they will show at some point Okay. During the game. Darren Rizzi and Brian Daybell, both on the staff of the 2011 Dolphins together.

Wow.

So they'll show the coach's picture Wow. From that staff. That's as exciting as this game is gonna get.

Are either Darren Rizzi or Brian Dable gonna be head coaches next year? I think over under a half.

I'd take the over.

I think I might take the under. I think it's going in the wrong direction for the Giants right now. I think they might clean the hole. They should He's a good coach, but I think they might I this is a quick game. Yep.

This is a quick game for sure. Although Drew Lock is playing for a contract, I guess, ish. Is that good, though? Yeah. He might try too hard.

Yeah. And I don't think the Saints are very good. Yeah. This game stinks. Mhmm.

Bad game. This is gonna be this

is gonna be a bright, sunny day in New York, and it's gonna be cold as fuck. And the Meadowlands, that stadium gets brighter in the sun and the cold than any other stadium.

Yep. You're absolutely right. Okay. Next game, the Jaguars at the titans. Titans minus 3 over under is 40.

So if the jaguars lose this game, they will remain with the 1st pick. This might be

the NFL makes no sense game of the week.

What? That they're just playing it and putting on TV?

You're gonna be yeah. You're gonna be watching and be like, what is this? Yeah. None of these plays make sense.

Do you think there's any first of all, Aziz Alshirier doing the, like, joker memes and being like, if you want me to be your villain, I'll be your villain. See you soon. It's like, no, dude. We just want you to not concuss a quarterback when he's sliding. Yeah.

That was an interesting interesting thing. And and people obviously ran with the whole Trevor Lawrence out 4 weeks, and as he's out, Al Sheer is only suspended for 3 weeks. Like, yeah. No. Duh.

Suspension is not gonna be as long as an injury sometimes.

Yeah. That's kinda how it works. Yeah.

Like, what are we talking about?

Yeah. I do like I I like the fact that he's making himself the villain. Yeah. And he but he's he's literally doing I can't exist. Yeah.

And so I'm just gonna go joker on you.

You should get an Aziz Al Shire jersey. Or just get your face painted like the joker. Question actually, just question for you, Hank. I've been thinking about betting the jaguars in this game, and the reasoning behind it is, is there a chance Mac Jones is like, hey. If I wanna stick in the league, I gotta throw at least 1 good game out there?

I've been on that train past couple weeks, and it I don't think that's I don't think it's possible. Okay.

I I'm sure he's thinking that. Yeah. No. He's trying to do that, but it might not happen Yeah. Or be able to happen.

It might not physically be possible.

No. I don't think it is.

Okay.

Yeah. So, you know, Ladd McConkie, he is the lead leaguer in in rookie receptions as a wide receiver.

Mhmm.

Brian Thomas is 50 yards away from that.

Mhmm.

So Brian Thomas junior is having a great season for

the Jaguars.

And I feel like if you get him the ball, then the the offense can look average Yeah. For the Jaguars at times. Average. The Titans kinda quit last week too.

Yeah. They did. And I think that that's this is another quit

game Yeah.

Where both teams are are eligible to quit. I actually you know what I might do in this game? Man, it's stupid because it's a divisional game. I was gonna say, what if I I might just bet, like, adjusted line titans minus 9a half and jaguars minus 9a half and be, like, hope 1 of the teams quits.

Yeah. 1 of the 2 will. This is interesting. Mac Jones stat here. In his 2 starts this year, the Jaguars didn't reach double digits.

So I

don't know if he's capable of breaking up. Yeah.

It sounds like he's not capable. Last early slate game, Jets at Dolphins, Dolphins minus 5a half over under 45. Memes?

I'm excited. For? You're free, JFIS. For Enigma? No.

To see how Aaron Rodgers responds. So we have a Aaron Rodgers chip on his shoulder game. He was calling out the owner subtly in the press conference this week.

When he was saying, like, I I shouldn't have to prove myself? Yeah. He said yeah. He said, someone asked, like, is this, prove it last 5 weeks? He says, that's ridiculous.

With all due respect, they want me to stay fantastic. If it takes them 5 games, maybe they don't know what I bring to the table. That being said, I'd love to play really freaking well the last 5 games.

Yeah. So I'm interested to see if he actually has greatness in him I don't and if he could sling

it. Right.

As a football fan.

He also just redid his house in New Jersey, he said.

So my Giants take could still be

Yeah.

Yeah. That's true. That could happen. Did there did Ulbrich say anything about Rodgers maybe not being the quarterback?

No. He said he's he's our quarterback.

He's our quarterback? Also, don't people, like,

redo their houses right before they're about to sell it for, like True.

Yeah. Wait. Did if it's, like, remodeling the bathroom and the kitchen, then that's to increase value of the home. Do we know our rooms?

We don't know our rooms.

I do you want them to win?

I don't want them to win. I want I want them to play well.

Okay. So That's that's perfect.

Like, the the Jameis loss. Yeah. That's what I want.

You want Rodgers to throw for over 300 yards she hasn't done in, like, 3 years, and you want the Jets to

lose. Jets to lose. Al Mazard's coming back. He's an Al Al Mazard merchant. Yep.

So I think the offense should seal it.

No sauce Gardner, though?

No sauce. The defense will probably get run out all over. Yeah.

I was gonna say no sauce Gardner against the Dolphins offense is tough. Yeah.

I think it's gonna be a high scoring game.

I I gotta give credits to it. Did you guys see his quote? Yeah. It was, it was very cool. I've I've most guys wouldn't do that, but he was asked if he was how surprised he is by the team's 5 and 7 record.

He said, nobody else will say it but me. I feel like this has a lot to do with myself, obviously, putting myself in harm's way in the 2nd game, basically leaving my guys out to dry. Yeah. That's a lot of accountability.

Yeah. Because nobody wants to be like, if if he didn't get concussed, we would be better, and he needs to be better at not being concussed

Right.

For us to win. But, yeah, there's there's times where you can avoid hits

Yeah.

And try to. Yeah. I think it's good for him to say.

Yeah. I I do too. So, we're gonna we're gonna root for a good Aaron Rodgers performance.

Good Aaron Rodgers performance. Jets also haven't beat Tua. So there's your stat for the day.

Have the Jets won since you said that Aaron Rodgers is top 5 in everything? Texans? Maybe. I think it was after the Texas game before Yeah.

It was.

It was after a Thursday before Sunday.

It feels like you're really attacking memes here, big fan. I'm not. I'm just asking questions. He's just a a solid Jets fan. He's been through a lot of shit.

He's trying

to find silver lining. He's we should applaud the sizing of these memes. We should applaud this this optimism for me. He's patronizing. He is patronizing.

Not patronizing. I I like your take memes that just have Rogers show that he has some life, but lose a game. That's it.

Show show you're still good at football. Don't know it's sad.

Right. Are you gonna be watching his Netflix special?

Yeah. I think so.

Nice. So more torture

for yourself. Yeah. There's never been there's never been a a bigger dumpster fire of a team that's provided as much, like, documentation of how things are falling apart as the Jets have recently. That's what makes it feel even more, like, mean and and pointed, where it's like a normal bad team you can turn your head away from. But with the Jets, they're like, well, you have to consume all this brand new content that we have coming out.

You hear what this guy's saying, memes? I'm hearing it.

Memes, if you had to kill me, what method would you choose?

Max wants explosion.

Yeah. Bomb.

I'm a big murderer.

I feel like you'd poison him.

So small murderer?

Chicks do.

Yeah. Chicks poison. Murder.

Maybe just beat him beat his brain to pulp.

Memes already has released his playbook on death. Yeah. It's explosion.

Yeah. I just have a feeling memes might show up dressed in all black with a mask and a backpack on, and that happens. Memes. Avenge me.

Memes, don't don't don't do this to PFT. Okay?

Not like about it.

Okay. Alright. Afternoon games, we got 3. Sucks. We have 3 again.

Seahawks and cardinals, but, again, last biweek. CX cardinals cardinals minus 3 over under 44a half. So I don't know what to do with this game. Mike McDonald is had a baby on Tuesday.

That's good. I think that's good for a coach. Might give you too much perspective, though.

Yeah. The Seahawks defense has gotten better, but, according to my guys at Sportsinfo Solutions, they rank as the 2nd worst defense in success rate allowed for the year against play action.

Okay.

Cardinals can run play action. And I also just feel like it's 1 of those situations where the Cardinals lost a game to the Seahawks 2 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago. Revenge spot, Seahawks. Okay.

Sorry. Cardinals. Cardinals. Cardinals because they lost Yeah. In Seattle.

Yeah. The Seahawks has they've beaten the Cardinals 6 in a row.

Wow.

Yeah. And so far as the head coach, Jonathan Gannon, hasn't beaten the Seahawks. He's 0 and 3 against the Seahawks.

Okay.

But the Seahawks are a very strange team where, like, week to week, you have no idea what's gonna happen. I like the Cardinals, and I like it low scoring.

I do too.

Maybe maybe a little, just heavy Connor running game.

Yeah.

Just give this might be like the James Connor 3 touchdown game.

Without a dog in the fight, I want the cardinals to win just because I want the NFC West to to be a cluster fuck all the way to the last game of the season.

Where we have no idea. Yeah. Yeah.

By the way, breaking moose. Breaking moose. Miami Dolphins wide receiver Tyree Kill just had a baby girl. He'll now reportedly has 10 plus children with in 30 years of life. Oh, wait.

That's December 2nd.

What does 10 plus mean?

Yeah. How many is that?

I don't know. I'm just reporting this tweet.

Is it double what's he get double digits? When you

said the other baby the other baby thing

triggered triggered

memes to say show them this.

So we should maybe bet Tyreek

Hill? But he has so many.

Well, he scores a lot of touchdowns.

How many times does he score?

Sure. That's a great point.

Maybe that's why he scores all those touchdowns.

Somebody out there 10 plus. May figure out those facts.

10 plus. Because

I feel like That's also not a number. Like, why is

there plus. That means number. That means at least 11.

Does it?

When you throw the plus in there. Yeah. But if you Or Or is it just, like, that's the most babies that you can have? So you

Like, when you count

each individual baby, and then once you hit double digits, it becomes 10 plus.

Like, when you're betting but you're betting on something drawn DraftKings and it's 10 plus,

it could be just be 10. 10 hits. 10 plus children. Maybe it's just an adjective like they're really awesome children. I mean, it's 10 plus children.

His sperm are just as Yeah.

Just as

fast as he is.

Close to the whole team. Alright. Afternoon game number 2, Bills at Rams. Rams plus 3a half over under 49a half. This is a very important game for the Rams.

They need to win this game. Otherwise, they're in trouble. Mhmm. Also, just a shout out, Sean McDermott and Josh Allen. If the Bills win this game, Sean McDermott will be the 5th, that'll be his 5th straight 11 win season.

The only coaches to do that are Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy, Andy Reid, and Tom Landry. Pretty good company. Yeah. Really good. That's Bill Belichick with Tom Brady.

That's Tony Dungy with Peyton Manning. That's Andy Reid with Patrick Mahomes. That's Tom Landry with, you know, Roger Staubach. That's pretty good company.

Yeah. It's really good. He's been an elite regular season coach. I like the Bills in this. I think I think the Bills are a better team than they've been given credit for all year and getting Matt Milano back on defense Yeah.

And showing some of that up. I think I I really, really like the Bills this season. I I think that they're kind of a slept on team.

I agree, Hank. Rams in the in the hungry dog? Yeah. Yeah.

Letdown game.

Yeah. Why is that travel?

Travel. I just think this is I I don't know if the Rams can win this game, but 3a half I the Rams have to win this. Like, it's a kitchen sink game. Sean McVay throwing everything at the wall.

Yeah. The kitchen sink game didn't factor that in.

I do. So I He's wanna know in those

When I say when I say the Bills are slept on, obviously, nobody out there thinks that the Bills are a bad football team. They all think that they're a very good football team. I think that they're a great football team.

No. No. The the narrative going into the season was rebuilding here. So now we're, you know, in December, and they're vying for the 1 seed. Like, respect the fact that they rebuilt kind of on the fly.

Yeah.

I think they're they're a great team, and they're having a great season. Micah Hides, but It's gonna tell me a lot. That's what it is for the Bills. Gonna tell me a lot about you, Bills.

This is gonna

be a lot. Are you for real?

Are you for real? Tell me. Are you for real? Okay. Also, Stafford has a ankle sprain, so we'll see what happens to that.

But I'm sure he'll be fine. He's a gamer.

The Rams picked up Emmanuel Forbes off waivers

Oh.

Who was released by the commanders. Did you see the video of him? No. He gets skinnier every single day. It's actually insane how tiny this guy is.

Can we pull up the yeah. Watch the video of him, practicing with the Rams.

Oh, he's already out there practicing?

Yeah. That he was on the field.

Oh my god. Yeah. He is very skinny.

Look at that. Woah. He looks like an alien, doesn't he? Yeah.

That's I think it's also because of the helmet.

Oh, he's got the guardian cap on. Yeah. Definitely.

But, no, he looks very skinny.

He should never wear a guardian cap.

He looks very skinny. I could run over him. Yeah. Alright. Bears, 40 niners, 40 niners minus 3a half over under his 44.

I think this is gonna

be a Thomas Brown bump game. I'm down for an interim coach bump game.

Yeah. Special do you know do

you know anything about him that would make him a great interim coach?

I think he's just a fiery guy. He also has lost £22, since November 12th. He said it's because he's gotten so busy. Okay. He's gotten 2 job promotions.

He said if you increase tasks to your day, you forget about food. I I'm I don't know if he's, like, traditionally like, he's not a a huge guy, but it's more how much everyone hated Matt Eberflus. Yeah. Which, by the way, we should give 1 compliment to Matt Eberflus. Carlos Santos was asked, you know, about Matty Berflus, and he said he made the grass at Soldier Field amazing, which he did.

He did after the 40 niners game 2 years ago when it was that monsoon Mhmm. He had them change the grass at Soldier Field, and it's been significantly better since. So Matty Brookfield's great legacy.

Yeah. You can't change the story. Once once the Bears win multiple Super Bowls

Yeah.

You'll have to give credit to Matty Brookfield.

But that's a hell of a quote to have your kicker be like, hey. Well, say something nice about the coach that just got fired. Yeah. Like, dude, he he he changed the grass. It's cool.

Well, also, the kicker saying that is a bit different than if it was, like, a lineman saying. Yeah. Like, he made it good for kicking.

Yeah. Yeah. I also

Are you trying to impress Kyle Shanahan this week?

Well, Florio did do a fan fiction.

He did. And I like it. You've adopted for it?

I read it. Yeah. I've totally adopted it. Yeah. You kidding me?

I mean, I've been thinking about it for a while now, but I'm totally in on this. And Kyle Shanahan did do a press conference where he just said, Kale Williams is as talented as there is, and, he was born to play the position. So, yeah, I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. Are the niners just bad?

Yeah.

They're bad.

They might be just bad. They're just bad this year. We just gotta accept the fact that they're just not good.

Yeah. They're bad. Their offense doesn't look great. You can't score in the red zone. Defense isn't what what it was at all.

Yeah. Just completely different team right now. Yeah. Also, little update on what the walls reported last September.

Oh, yeah?

Christian McCaffrey posted on Instagram that he's looking forward to returning and playing better than ever. So he's back next year.

Mhmm.

Not just this year. He's back next year.

So that's as much of a nonretirement as you can get. Yeah. He's not retiring. Not even close. Not even close to retiring.

Okay. Last game, Sunday night football. Chargers to Chiefs. Chiefs minus 4 over under 43. Did you see Harbaugh give away the, the the lunch pails?

It's such a blue collar guy.

Just love it. I, unfortunately, think this is the Chiefs' spot.

So the lunch pails, they said, what, stalwart was on the roster?

Yeah. That's a that's a Harbaugh word. That is a Harbaugh word.

Harbaugh read that in, like, a Hemingway novel and was like, I'm putting that on.

Yeah. Stalwart. Ladd McConkey might not be playing in this game, which that is a very significant injury for the chargers offense that is limited to begin with.

Yeah. So his knee and his shoulders fucked up.

Yeah. Harbaugh was like, he went as long as he could go. Yeah. And then he came out.

Thank you thank you for your service, lad.

Yeah. They're, the chargers when lad McConkie is targeted is 0.55 EPA per play, and when he's not, point 08. That's pretty significant.

Yeah. We'll see what happens with the

chargers defense and this Chiefs offensive line too. Well, DJ Humphreys might be coming, playing for left tackle, which would be big for the Chiefs. But I just aren't we kind of like the, conversation of the NFL makes no sense? Aren't we due for Chiefs flexing on people and being like, hey. We're not bad?

A reverse makes no sense.

Yeah.

No? Maybe? Maybe. Maybe? Are they, though?

I don't know. This is why we're having a preview. Are they good? I think they are. I This has to be the chargers.

Why? Right.

It has to be the chiefs. It has to be the chargers.

But if it has to be the chargers, there's

any chance of the chargers winning the Super Bowl, they have to win this game.

No. They're they're get they're gonna get to playoff anyway.

But if they're gonna win the Super Bowl, they have to win this game. Why? Because it's an ultimate test, ultimate coach.

Yeah. You could fail a test and then still ace it later.

No. This the chargers don't win this game.

Sounds like you have a charger to not make the playoffs bet.

No. I just, like, have been brainwashed by you even though I've pushed back. And and then 1 time, I'm like, alright. This has to be the chargers you're saying. Yeah.

Yeah. I think the Chiefs blow them out.

Yeah. I think it's look. I'm being honest. I never said the chargers were gonna win every game.

It's good to hear to be honest about the chargers. It's just

never said

they were gonna win every game.

I don't

know what you're doing here.

What do you mean? It's nice. I never I never said the chargers are gonna win every game the rest of the way. I think the Chiefs are gonna win this game.

But we're the whole thing is we gotta get to a good number.

I understand. Once it gets to the playoff, the the chargers have to win

win a game in the

Win a playoff game, and we'll have a great number. And then we'll flex on Hank on our cash out.

Wouldn't they wouldn't they be much more likely to win a playoff game if they won a game like this?

I don't think it's matters. I think they're probably locked in to the to the spot they're in.

I feel like you're trying to do some mind tricks right now, and I don't I don't know what the story is.

Honest that I think the Chiefs are gonna win this game. I hope the chargers win, unless I bet on the Chiefs.

If they can't win a lunch pail game, then they're not winning shit.

What else where else can you go after the lunch pail? The hard hat? Yeah.

He might even just get his jackhammer.

Yeah. He's got a few more tricks in his bag.

I I love the chargers in this game.

Fuck you. Alright. Let's do our, let's do our picks. And you say,

by the way, with the Chiefs, what are the chances of them trying to fix some of their offensive stuff by bringing B and E back?

Oh, yeah. That's

Is that the, like, perfect Andy Reid thing to do again?

Yeah. Also, maybe the greatest agent press release ever Yeah. By, Eric Bieniemy's agent. He got fired from UCLA today, and he said, his agent said, Eric and UCLA mutually parted ways today. As previously planned, he's still getting paid by the commanders after interviewing for head coaching jobs last year.

He wanted to stay active and busy, so he decided to go help out Deshaun Foster who's like his little brother at UCLA as opposed to sitting out a year. The plan was always to return to the NFL in 2025, and he's looking forward to the opportunities ahead. I'm not owned.

I like that. The conversation was you're fired. I agree. Yeah. They mutually This

was always the plan, dude. Yeah. It was all I was always gonna not be here next year.

It wasn't even a coaching gig, really. It was, I'm gonna go help out my buddy.

Yeah. My little brother.

Yeah. His if you look at his title, it wasn't it wasn't offensive coordinator. It was here to help out.

Yeah. But you're exactly right. Special assistant assistant, Eric Bieniemy. Yeah. They're gonna bring her back.

It's gonna happen. Should we do a TD parlay first, and then we'll do our picks? Do we wanna do the Saquon too? I am, PFT's out. I'm out this week.

I'm recusing myself from the from the touch screen.

Pick Saquon, and Big Hat could pick Saquon.

Okay.

Or I could pick Saquon.

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2 plus is only 1 plus 18.

Alright. So we shouldn't do that. So we need conviction. It's Hank me, Hank, and, Max. Can we get some conviction?

Can we get some conviction together, boys? Bijan. Okay. Max.

I will go I'm not gonna lie. I thought PFT was gonna go. I will go There's no conviction. Goddamn it. You go, and I'll find I'll find conviction.

No. I'm I'm I'm doing, I'm gonna do a last 1. Or are you gonna do a late game? I wanna do a

late game. Sure. I can do I can find a late game.

No. I'm gonna do a late game, so you do it early.

Oh, okay. Fine. I'll do an early game. Jesus. Tyrone Tracy.

What are you odds? Plus 140.

Okay. Someone's got a score.

Alright. I'll take Josh on.

He doesn't have a score.

I yeah. Alright. Let's see what that Tyrone Tracy is Also,

someone doesn't have to score.

I know. That's exactly what he was just,

for sure. That's just not right. Yeah. Well, in this

game game, I could see I could see no score.

So we're gonna do Josh Allen is plus 100. Tyrone Tracy is plus 140. Bijan

Why don't you choose to Saquon, dude?

Alright. Fine. I'll do

Oh, we we wanna win. Right?

I'll do Saquon. I'll do Saquon. I'll do Saquon.

We wanna win.

I'll do Saquon.

Winning is the best part of this.

Saquon. Okay. And then what's Hanks? Josh Allen. Bijan.

Bijan. Oh, this this will be fine. Plus 4 15.

Okay. That's fine.

Of now can change by by the time this comes out.

Okay.

Alright. So plus 4 15.

Alright. Let's do our picks. Who's up first?

So last week, we did

I no. PFT.

No. No. No. So PFT did went first for the Thanksgiving pick, and then you went first right after

Okay.

For the snake. So do you wanna pick first again, or does Hank?

Wait. What? No. Hank would pick first.

No. If I went first Yeah. After, then I shouldn't go first.

Yeah. Okay. Then, Hank.

Hank.

I will take, what's the records? Are being big cat close?

I think we're all we're all bad.

Big cat 1314, Hank 1214 1, the other cohost 1116.

I will take the jets, dolphins under 45.

Okay.

Alright. I'm gonna take the Bengals minus 5a half.

I'm gonna take the Jets Dolphins over 45.

That's too bad. He was trying to leave that for me. He wanted me to go head to head with him. Sorry. I'm gonna take fuck that up, dude.

I'm gonna take the Bucks minus 6a half.

Bucks minus 6a half. Alright. I'm gonna take, I will take the shit. I'll take the Bears plus 3a half, and then I will take the Falcons, Vikings under 45a half.

I'm a take the Seahawks, Cardinals under 44a half.

I'm gonna take the titans minus 3 against the jacks.

I'm gonna take the brown steelers over 43a half.

And I will rock with Jim Harbaugh and the Los Angeles chargers plus 4. You love

them. Good pick.

Great pick memes, by the way.

Love them. What was memes, Nick?

He took the the brown steelers over.

Oh, nice. Love that pick. What?

It was a good pick. I was gonna take it.

Patronizing.

If I had a 3rd pick, I would have voted I would have voted for a bot

my 3rd

time if I had a chance. Alright.

I guess

you just pick for each other for the rest of

the week.

Yeah. You guys should. Oh. 0.

No. That's not good for me.

No. That would be great.

I'd love to see PFT on a bachelor party.

What is that supposed

to mean? What that means.

I don't know what he's got there, but I said it.

I forgot.

You did say it. Sounded cool. Alright. Before we get to RG 3, awesome interview with RG 3, by the way. Fancy fuck boys.

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Yeah. That was fine too. What happened?

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what we did to my friend Mori in his wig shop.

Yeah. Exactly. Rug pull. My sleeper, University in North Carolina. Yeah.

Tall heels. Beautiful school, beautiful campus.

You can only root this is what I love about this rivalry.

You can

only cheer for UNC or Duke no matter what. You can't split them up. Why were you saying the 3rd grade team?

I just think it's a great school, great program. It'd be a great place

to end up. Oh, interesting. Mhmm.

I'm just I'm I'm, you know, people sleep on UNC, and I'm just telling you.

Yeah. It's a great spot. You would look good in Carolina bro blue. Who wouldn't? Yeah.

Great color. Yeah. Okay. House divided.

Between Hank and Hank? Hank and Henry. Would you hey. Henry's Duke. Right?

Henry. Hank is UNC.

David is Duke. What? He's not a basketball player. No. No.

No. No. But we're talking about the other guy.

Yeah. The other guy. KKK. The other wizard. Not good.

Yeah. What's up, fuckheads? This is Michael Thomas Anthony Vincent.

Oh, what's up Michael Thomas Anthony Vincent? MTV.

MTV is what they call me. This week, I'm starting, drug testing. Oh. Starting drug testing, Deac. The NFL has just, lowered the threshold for the amount of marijuana that can be in a player system.

So they're saying, hey, just don't over just don't take a hero dose on weed, and we won't get you in trouble. But they're also saying if you post a picture of your drug test on social media, you'll be fined $15,000.

Yeah. That's bad.

So we're

not gonna get those posts from guys that have great games out of nowhere and then take the picture and put them online, be like, oh, imagine that random test. Yeah. My cool throne is super fans in the not cool throne. My my, Siddum Siddum. Is super fans in the NFL.

The story just came out that super fans are now selling jersey patches on the super fan jerseys and making $2,000 a week like NASCAR drivers out there. It's supposed to be about the name on the back of the jersey. The name on the front of the jersey, not the name right beneath the name on the front

of the jersey. Got it.

And then my sleeper this week, big time sleeper, I'm talking shorts. It is so cold outside. It is unreal. It was 0 degrees the other day. I went outside in my shorts to put the Christmas lights up.

I almost froze to death. My balls up in my belly.

Oh, in the belly. Belly ball. This week. What's up, fuckers? It's Maxie Delenti.

Hey, Maxie.

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Look at it on PMTV.

Look at it on PMTV. Maxie. My is going to be, the fake George McCaskey Twitter account that everyone's buying because he's got a blue check mark. Stop tagging everyone in it. It's not really George McCaskey.

I don't even think he knows how to work a phone, let alone the Internet. And my is, the Georgia bulldogs because they banned Bevo from the SEC championship game. That's fucked up. Yeah. Why?

I don't know. Mad cow disease?

What's ever happened between those 2?

Yeah. You

what what remember mad cow disease? Yeah. Remember that. That was wild.

Yeah. There were a lot of rumors out there.

You just ate meat and then you went crazy?

Well, Danny Boykin, I think, had mad cow.

No. He did not. Never. Never. Max, why don't you make his sandwiches once a week?

I could do that.

I'd be happy to fund it. Every other week. I'd be happy to fund it. Okay. Max making his sandwiches, and tune in to the PMTV, it was basically like watching, a kid with, like, a spinning toy where it's like a sensory you know, like, you need to have a sensory break.

That was him, like, spreading the the sauces and everything. He was just sitting there having the time of his life.

They were really good sandwiches. I was concerned at how good they looked.

Yeah.

Like, you really took your time dressing them up.

Yeah. He did it. He did a great job. Alright. Let's get to RG 3.

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Okay. We now welcome on a very special guest. He's a recurring guest. He's in studio. It is Robert Griffin the 3rd, Heisman winner, rookie of the year.

And also, we got a beef that we gotta settle. Alright. So, r g 3 and I've have back and forth. Actually, it's not even a beef because I was just wrong.

Yeah. It's not wrong.

So, I mean, I I said it, but That's big. So you you were saying that Caleb Williams I I I think the beginning of it was you were like, Caleb Williams should, try not to go to Chicago in so many words.

In so many words.

In so many words.

In so many words.

I admit it hand up. Obviously, I'm very defensive of, everyone on the Internet shitting on the Bears, because it happens constantly. Right. But I was saying that he's walking into the best situation for a number 1 quarterback. And while I still think it might have been true for some of the players that are around him, the coaching does matter.

And that was a disaster and I was very wrong. And I got myself a little hyped up to the point where I looked stupid. So you were right. Coaching matters. And it was as bad as bad gets.

Because I actually I wanted Jim Harbaugh. There's reports that they actually were gonna maybe interview him, but Kevin Warren said no. Once they kept Matt Eberflus, I was like, I guess this is what we're gonna do. I'm gonna convince myself, but you were spot on. Coaching matters, and I guess so hand up.

You were right. I was wrong. Victory lap. Would you like a victory lap?

It's it's not a victory lap. Like, I know I'm

what you say when you're taking a victory lap. Yeah.

That's the best Yeah. Go for the victory lap. You deserve

a victory lap. That. And I and I get it. Yeah. When I say it's not a victory lap and then everyone comes and say, hey, RJ.

You just took a victory lap. Yes. I understand that.

You deserve 1.

I think where I'm where I'm coming from with it is, I wasn't honest to god, I was not trying to shit on the bears.

I know.

Right? So when I came out and I said Caleb Williams should pull an Eli Manning and tell the bears he's not coming unless this happens. Yeah. Now the take that was out there was fully on, hey, coaching matters. Structure matters.

You're looking at the bears. You got if if Caleb comes in and they don't do anything with Eberfluss Eberfluss, he'll be the 3rd quarterback in a row that had a hot seat coach, and then now he's working on a second coach and 3rd coordinator in the 2nd year. So from that sense, yes, I was right, but I wasn't rooting for the Bears to fail. I just wanted them to make a decision on Bieber Fluss. And when I did too.

When when you said because

I know you Yeah. Yeah.

You were a big a big, advocate for them to move on from him.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. Well, right after the season, I was like, get rid of him. And then this season, obviously, I was like, this is terrible.

Get get

rid of him.

And I'd probably say 90% of the fan base also wanted to

get rid of him. Yes.

And so I'm sitting there, and I'm like, if in this new age of quarterback, right, in this new age of NIL, transfer portal, player empowerment, LeBron James started in the NBA. It's trickling in all the other leagues. If you're a quarterback like Caleb, like Shadur coming out Mhmm. And you have the power to tell a team, I need you to make a decision on your coach. So I was just saying, extend him.

If you're gonna keep him, extend him so that the team I think they did knows that he's their guy.

I think they did secretly extend him Really? To the raps. Yeah. So here's my question to that. And, again, you you were absolutely right because it was a debacle what Matt Eberflus and Shane Waldron did.

And I was I was hyper defensive because I spent whatever it was, 6 months of, like, every national, media being like, Caleb Williams wants ownership of the bears. Caleb Williams should try to Yeah. Yeah. Trade out. You know what I mean?

So I

saw that. I saw that.

So but here's my question. If you are Caleb Williams and you do that, what is the narrative then? Is it like, hey. Is this guy a diva?

Correct.

He's trying to get a coach fired before he's even showing up.

Correct.

How does that work?

So for me, it wasn't about him getting him fired. The bears had already made a decision Right. That they were keeping Eberforce. So now it's like, I'm I'm having, Courtney Cronin was a former colleague at ESPN, and she's, you know, telling me, well, you know, the Bears don't ever publicly announce when they give a guy an extension.

Right.

They that's just a, you know, an organizational practice. But if you're gonna do that, look what it did to Eberfluss in that locker room. Yeah. When you've got, was it Jalen Johnson Mhmm. Yeah.

You know, going off on him, you know, allegedly in the locker room after No.

That definitely happened. I wouldn't even

count that as, like, going off. I would just count that as speaking his mind appropriately.

But who

but who's been speaking their mind the most of all the guys all year? It's been DJ Moore. Yeah. Mhmm. He's been so honest, like, to a fault almost in his postgame pressers.

If you publicly extend Eberflus, every player in that locker room now knows he's not going anywhere. Yeah. He's our guy. Yeah. They left it in the balance.

So for me with Caleb Williams, all I was suggesting he do is say, I need to know what you're doing with the coach Yeah. So I don't come into a situation where the structure is bad. And now he's gonna be sitting there, 2nd head coach Yep. 3rd offensive coordinator. Structure is bad.

And the structure

is bad.

Organization is bad.

And and and we don't have to belabor the point, but the thing that bothered me the most, like, I root for guys. I root for teams. I know, like, me saying that kinda turned a lot of the Chicago Bear fans against me because they want their team to be successful. Yeah. They want your team to

be successful.

I understand that. I didn't hold it against you. Wrote that, I didn't I don't think I wrote I think I wrote back, but I didn't, like, tear you down, write me back. It was like, I understand why you're frustrated. The thing that bothered me was the way that Ryan Poles handled it.

Okay.

When he when he go go ahead.

No. I I wanna hear what you have to say because I I feel like from the outside, you you go ahead. Give you give me your take.

Yes. The way that they handled it, going on Pat McAfee's show and when asked about it saying it kinda pissed him off, almost as if they weren't walking down the same street. Yeah. They're walking down the yellow brick road Mhmm. To go see the wizard of Oz that the last 3 organizational leaders had done.

And for him to say it pissed him off because they're there to break the cycle. I'm like, well, I'm giving you my educated

Mhmm.

Not just throw something at the wall and see if it sticks. I've been through this. PFT knows this.

Mhmm.

I went through the structure portion of why it matters in coaching and why it matters organizationally. So I'm giving my advice based off of GMs I've talked to, my own shared experience in the NFL. And it's not that they need to listen to me, but don't spit in my face and act like what I'm saying is so disrespectful to you. And, you know, I I request from Pat McAfee the same time that you guys are giving me on here to be able to go up there and talk about not just why I was right, but how the bears can fix the issue moving forward.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

and to me, that that was just like it it pissed you off. You wanna break the cycle? I want you to break the cycle, man. I'm not rooting against Caleb Williams. I'm not rooting against your team.

I want the bears to be successful. Otherwise, I'd have been doing victory laps all year, but I waited because I knew there's a chance that we could have this conversation. And it wouldn't be just constant dunking on you guys.

No. It's perfect timing.

I'm not a villain.

You're not a villain.

You were

and you were right. And, it it's it's more it's frustrating from a fan's perspective because I want them to be good. And every time there's a change, I'm like, this is gonna be different. And, unfortunately, it's still the same.

Correct.

And you were you were right calling that out. I still think Caleb has played well this year, and he is

Yeah.

He's the 1 shining glimmer of hope that it's like, maybe things will change because of him. Yeah. Because I think they'll probably screw up this coaching search too.

I think I think Caleb is a phenomenal player. Early in the year, I I noticed a lot of Bears fans were, like, really worried because Jaden was balling. Yeah. Came out, but he came out playing so well because of the structure.

Right.

New owner, new GM, new head coach.

Guy who can call plays.

No expectations. Yeah. So they've exceeded them. The Bears are what? 4 and Yeah.

4 and I don't know.

I think they're now.

Something like that?

4 and 8.

Yeah. I think they might be 4 and 8. So you look at that, and it's like, well, last year, you guys were 7 and 10.

Yeah. Mhmm.

You trade away Justin Fields for a bag of chips on layaway next year. Right? A 5th rounder next year. Then you keep Eberflus, and you're in a worse situation now. So I I do think that

I think they're in a better situation because Caleb is better than Justin Fields.

I don't disagree with that. Yeah. But if you move on from the quarterback, you should move on from the coach. Agreed.

That's A 100%. We we agreed on that.

That was my point. And then once Once they decided to keep him

Yep.

And at the time Yeah. Decided to keep Eberflus, what ended up happening was you had to settle for I I don't wanna use the word second rate, but you had the the real hot offensive coordinators did not want to go to Chicago Correct. To a guy that was on the hot seat and have to move immediately.

Because I know that Bears fans feel a certain type of way about Shane Waldron, but I don't think Shane Waldron's a horrible coach. Like, he's he's a he's a decent coach, but he's the only coach they could get because as you said, PFT, no 1 wants to come in and be the hot seat to the hot seat. Right. As soon as things go wrong No.

It's not.

You're the

first 1 out. This is why I wanted Harbaugh. And if and if the reports are true, the problem now the Bears have is that Ryan Pohlz has basically been kneecapped with all his decision making because Kevin Warren is running the show. And it's like, now it's really stupid.

And that's exactly what me and PFT were just talking about after, you know, the werewolf game. It's well, now who was going around doing all the talking this off season? Right. It was pissed off Ryan Pohlz.

Right. Alright.

Now it's Kevin Ward. It's

Kevin Ward. I know. It's stupid.

So now you're saying to yourself, okay. Now is Ryan Pohlz in the doghouse?

Yeah. He is. He should I I I honestly hope Ryan Pohl's he would never do this because there's only 32 of these jobs. But, like, if he has a strong candidate for the head coach and then Kevin Warren vetoes it, Ryan Pohl should just quit. I don't think he would, but I would love to see it just being like, you guys aren't letting me do my job.

I'm not gonna be here. Because you're because Ryan Pohlz knows, Eberflus is gone.

Yeah.

They're gonna hire a new coach. He'll get at least 2 or 3 years. Who's the next on the chopping block? Ryan Pohlz.

Exactly. And and it's a it's a never ending cycle.

Correct.

You're just constantly constantly cannibalizing yourself. And Yep. When I look at Ryan Poles, I had

I had

a team a former teammate call me from my time in Washington when I made the statement about Caleb Williams pulling a Eli to use it as leverage to get the bears to make a decision. And I thought a public decision, as we mentioned before, was important. I think that stuff matters. I think decision, as we mentioned before, was important. I think that stuff matters.

I think what what happened with me in Washington Mhmm.

I think if

there were more public statements Yes.

From the

organization, it it wouldn't have stopped it all,

but it coulda

damn sure slowed some of that stuff down.

Yeah. Because when when you don't get those public statements, then you start to create your own, like, fan fiction about what could be going on.

Thank you.

And there's all these conflicting narratives about, like, who's talking to who, who's not talking to who.

They're talking to the 4th string tight end, and he's putting a story out. And they're, like, well, we verified it. It's, like, okay. You got the 4th string tied in and the 4th string of the linebacker. Yeah.

Verify a story. Yeah. And it just becomes a constant problem. So now I look at it, and I'm, like, for for Ryan Poles, he should still be the 1 Yeah. That is out front making the decisions and talking to the media.

Otherwise, it just looks like you said. Like, he got handicapped.

Yeah. Yeah.

But the question I have for you, Vikram, is who do you think should be the next coach?

Who who

now who do you want to be the coach?

So I think knowing the Bears' history, the only way that I'm going to totally buy in on the fact that they've changed anything is if it's Ben Johnson, if it's Mike Vrabel, or somehow, some way Kyle Shanahan. Okay. If it's not those 3 guys, it's the same old Bears.

Okay.

Because Ben Johnson, who they probably have to drop a bag for

Drop a big bag.

And they don't wanna do that. They they're not comfortable. They're cheap. Kyle Shanahan, similar, would have to drop bag, maybe draft picks. And Mike Vrabel would be a personality, that they have not wanted in that building for a very long time where they don't want an alpha who is like, this is my this is my system.

This is my program. Correct. Kevin Warren, go sit in the fucking locker. You know, go sit in the toilet and and let me run the show. If they don't pick those 3 guys, it's gonna

be the same thing. They're gonna pick a offensive coordinator who's, you know, Liam Cohen, who I think is great for

the Bucks, who won 10 games at Kentucky. They'll pick him, but they won't give him any power, and Ryan Pohlz won't have power, and the whole team will just be the same.

I could see. Okay. Let's talk about the 3 you mentioned. Yeah. So first, Ben Johnson.

Yeah.

He didn't leave Detroit last year, talked to Almanor Saint Brown because they felt like they had unfinished business. Yep. I think they're on the the the path path to try to go finish some of that business they had. Why would he come to Chicago?

Kale Williams.

I understand that.

That's it. That's the only ticket. That's the golden ticket. I know. I know.

It's basically that's why Kale Williams unfortunately for Kale Williams, he has so much, on his shoulders now because he is he is the golden ticket because everything else is a mess, and I admit that. And I see it. Caleb Williams, like, it's gonna be a coach. If it's Ben Johnson, he's gonna be like, Caleb Williams is such a talent that I I I think I can make this work.

And I think it's an attractive job as well because of the skill guys that they have around. You come in, you you build up the offensive line, you you improve the defense, but you have Caleb Williams. Yeah. You have Roma Dunez. You have DJ Moore.

So bad. It's not a bad roster.

It just on a personal level, if you're Ben Johnson, though, if you if you're the kind of guy that would turn down a head coaching job, there are very few coaches. Well, how many were there last year? 7, 8? Yeah. Yeah.

It's rare that it comes up, and it's rare that you're a hot name. Right? So last year, if you're talking about striking while the iron was hot

He should've done it.

The iron was pretty fucking hot last year. And he said he had unfinished business with a team he cares so deeply about

Correct.

And a staff he cares so deeply about. He's willing to turn down a raise of, I'm gonna guess, $10,000,000 a year or more

Minimum. Right.

To go back to Detroit. To me, that does not seem like the kind of guy that would want to go coach a team in the division against that same team of brothers that he had twice a year.

Right? I I and you you're right. It's like you you mentioned about Ryan Pohlz. There's only 32 GM jobs. Mhmm.

Like, to just walk away from 1 is very rare.

It's not. Yeah. So you shouldn't

do it.

It'd be it would be I would think higher.

Oh, yeah. No. He would be in the hands for doing that.

He would he would put his foot down. Yeah. And that would be a

It would be an awesome move.

That would be a full circle moment. Yeah. Hey. Caleb should pull a Eli, and then Ryan pulls things up. Yeah.

There. But, I think to your point, I agree that it's it's difficult to see him coming to Chicago.

Yeah. I agree. But I listen. It's it's it's whether or not if he sees something in Caleb Williams that he doesn't see any of the other job openings, that's our only chance.

Agreed. Not that. Be great. Now you you who's the next 1 other than Kyle?

Kyle Shanahan. That's a pipe dream.

But They don't have to trade for him because he's

for him or

if he resigns something. I don't know how to

say it.

This, Kyle. You know, we I don't wanna say we work together. I don't wanna misrepresent it. Mhmm. Okay?

But he does a thing called the quarterback collective or he used to. And they've been working with with Caleb since he was in junior high school. Yeah. So Kyle knows Caleb. He knows him really well.

He's coached him before in the off seasons. I don't think that he would shy away from that, but it's, again, it's the structure. Yeah. To me, you almost have to go get someone that no 1 is expecting.

Right. Which is a bad thing because that's what they always do. You're saying, like, a In a

in a in a good way. Who was the 3rd person you mentioned?

Mike Vrabel.

Mike yeah. My I They'll

but they'll never hire someone who is bigger than the organization, who has an alpha personality. He he scares

I like Mike Mann.

I love Mike Vrabe. I want Mike Vrabe. He George McCaskey is a meek man who does not like football. So he's like, he you can't have and Kevin Warren is the same. So I think Mike Vrabel wouldn't fit they wouldn't want Mike Vrabel in the building, which is crazy.

Yeah. He's a great coach.

Wasn't 1 of the things that got Mike out of Tennessee the fact that he was, like, such a big

Oh, that was he's

a big, strong intimidating guy.

He's a big, strong intimidating guy.

Process. The owners got intimidated by real football guys.

I would I would love to play for a guy like Mike Vrabel. I think Ryan Tannehill enjoyed playing for him. I think Yeah. Obviously, Will Compton here at Barstool enjoyed playing for him. Taylor Luan.

I agree with you, though. When you bring Mike Vrabel in, Mike Vrabel is not gonna say, hey, Kevin Warren. I'm gonna answer to you. Yeah. Right.

Hey. Hey, Ryan Poles. I'm gonna answer to you. He's coming in there, and he wants to he's going to be the alpha dog. Even if you don't give him full control, you're still gonna feel like he has full control.

What about Belichick?

Man. Well, I check Honestly,

in terms of for the podcast No.

I I I well, I don't want it'd be great. I don't want Belichick in the fact that I think Belichick is 72 years old. I want a coach that, and this is all wishful thinking, is potentially gonna be coaching for the Bears for the next 5, 10 years because you're gonna wanna have him have relationship with Caleb Williams. And Caleb Williams hope he'd be here for a very long time.

Right.

Is Belichick gonna coach into his eighties? Belichick seems more like a guy who's ready to go for a team that's, like, ready to win in the next, like, 2 years.

Here's here's my 2 suggestions, and these are off the wall, you know, out of the box thinking. I think you have to bring in someone that knows Caleb Williams. And I know that people have talked about

you laugh. Fucking.

No. No.

Don't you go away? Hey. What? Don't say Lincoln Riley. Don't say Lincoln Riley.

Don't say Lincoln Riley.

Cliff.

No. Don't take what

from me.

No. We'll start with Cliff. I've heard rumors that there's some interest there for Cliff to become the head coach.

There's not. I'm gonna pour some cold water on that. There's no interest for me.

That Cliff would go to that job personally. For Lincoln Riley, it hasn't worked out the way they want it to at USC. I don't believe that Lincoln would succeed in Chicago as the head coach. But if he wanted to come to the NFL and be with the quarterback that he won a Heisman trophy with, you make him the offensive coordinator.

Yeah. That would be fine with me. I don't know if he would do that.

Whoever you're I don't know if he would either. He's making a boatload of money at USC. Whoever is working with Caleb doesn't need to be someone that comes in and tries to, hey. Let's change what he is. Let's change what he does.

They need to know him. That was a big reason why I thought Caleb should want to go to Washington. Mhmm. Because he had Cliff there who knew how he is. And I think we would all believe that Caleb would have started faster this year if he had Cliff Kingsbury as his offensive coordinator.

Right? So that to me would be an out of the box. Brentcliffe is ahead. But I think Lincoln Riley, there's something there of maybe bringing in him or a coordinator that Caleb worked with so they can help him continue to grow. But at a head coach spot, until they really iron out the structure

Right.

I don't see why any top coach would pick the bears outside of you get Caleb and you got all these weapons on offense.

Does this give you, like, PTSD? Like, even talking about the bears seeing it and being, like, yeah. I know all the how all this works because I was basically in the same situation.

It doesn't give me PTSD. It's just I care too much.

Yeah.

Like, I talk to to PFT every every now and then, you know, and I talk about the commanders, and I talk about it's not about what I went through. I talk about Lamar and I and I talk about, like, my process of being a mentor for him. I just care too much, guys. I had a coach tell me that once. It was, Jay Gruden.

He he just told me, hey, man. You need a hobby or something. Like, go play some golf. You you care too much about about winning. You care too much about winning in the weight room, winning in the film room, winning on the field.

You need to loosen up. When I see these quarterbacks get thrown in these situations, a lot of guys there's 1 I can't remember. He's always on Pat McAfee's show, former GM, and he was, like, trying to take some stabs at me and say that I I always look at it from a player's perspective. Well, if you're a player and you come in and you've got a shitty organization and they're not helping you succeed like a Baker Mayfield going to Cleveland.

Mhmm. And

now you look at him in Tampa, and he's he's a $40,000,000 quarterback. You look at Sam Darnold with the Jets. Well,

also your

to the Vikings, and he's winning there 10 and 2.

Yeah. Your intensity when it came to like, you were very public right when you got to the NFL about you wanna take on a leadership role. You're encouraging guys to do, like, go above and beyond. Correct. Asking everybody, like, no.

Yeah. You have to know your why.

Know your why.

And all that stuff, I feel like, was great when we were winning.

Correct.

And then once things go poorly, then it's like this guy just won't shut the fuck up sometimes.

And they wanna poke holes in everything you do. So when it's know your why and I ask 50 of my teammates on Twitter, because it was Twitter at the time Mhmm. What is what's your why? And they're all responding back. It's like, oh, this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

We went 10 and 6. We won the division. We're winning all these awards, all these accolades. But then the next year, you go 4 and 12. And now when you say, no.

You're why, at the the tendency is to say, that's why they're not successful.

Right. Yeah.

It's like, well well, we were successful Yeah. And the previous

You guys liked it before. The same thing.

It's like when when Cam Newton wins a game and he puts on the crazy outfit

Yeah.

That guy looks awesome.

There you go.

And he loses the game, it's like, why is he wearing a peacock on his neck?

Yeah. Exactly. And and, like, we understand as players, like now at 34, I understand the ebbs and flows of that. Mhmm.

You

don't you don't take it personally as a player anymore because you understand that when you're winning, everything is fine.

Yeah.

So what does it look like from a player's perspective, going into the organization that is in disarray, chaos, mismanaged? Like, what are the actual day to day things that that make your life harder as a player?

Yeah. I mean, for I'm sure Caleb comes to Chicago. He realizes that the fan base is phenomenal. Right? Like, I'm not mad at the Bears

fan base.

I'm don't I don't Mhmm.

Didn't No. You're right.

So It wasn't You yeah.

It's fine to be right, but I don't do it to be right. I'm trying to educate educate you with my own opinion. So Caleb comes here. He's probably like, oh, I'm gonna be the guy. I'm gonna throw for 4,000 yards.

I'm gonna be the franchise QB. So when you get here at at first, you don't have a focus of, hey. What's going on with Kevin Warren and and Ryan Poles and Right. What's going on with the McCaskis? You just come in and you do your job.

You're trying to win over your locker room. And I I was, like, a little bothered by the fact that even before Caleb got to the locker room, there are people in the locker room saying, hey. He can't come up in here being Hollywood.

Yeah. No. They love Justin Fields. They

love Justin

Fields. What is going on? Yeah.

TJ Moore liked Justin and he's a loyal guy. And so they were still upset after they they dealt him away. So he's like, I really miss Justin. You know, I'm not gonna move on like that.

And, like, I respect that from the players. It's just the organization clearly didn't care. Right? And and they said, we're going in this direction. We don't care what you think.

So when you step into that environment, you're just trying to win them over. I think Caleb has won them over over the past 3 weeks.

Yeah. I'd agree.

I think before that, they were sitting there like, bro, we should probably still have Justin. And and I don't know if that's necessarily right or not. But as a player, you walk in, you don't understand the layers of it till years go by. Mhmm. It took me to go to Cleveland.

I went from dysfunction in Washington to dysfunction in Cleveland, then I was out for a year. Then I was blessed with the opportunity to go play in Baltimore. And that organization, the way they run it, mister Bichotti at the top. You got Eric DeCosta. We had Ozzie who was the GM my first year there, and then Eric DeCosta took over.

You got John Harbaugh. The way they structure that organization is how it's supposed to be done. And that's where I think players don't understand. Damn. Why why did I come into this league, this whatever, all star, Biletnikoff, whatever you win.

And you get to a team, and it's like, why am I not being used the same way?

Why why

don't why aren't they helping helping me get in the right position? Why am I not making the same types of plays? It's all about the structure. Yeah.

And I think for a quarterback, you have a structure that helps

you build leadership. I don't know if Matt

Eberfloo's

created a structure Mhmm. For Caleb to be a leader in that in that first part of the season, and now he's gone. And Caleb's gotta do that whole process all over again with a new head coach. Yeah.

You you talked about going to Cleveland. Wasn't there a story that your car got broken into or, like, some shit got stolen out of your out of your car?

Yes, man. You're bringing my car actually got broken into in Cleveland and Baltimore, but, it was Cleveland. We were at the game, and, you know, they they valet the vehicles in Cleveland. So you come in, boom, valet guy takes it out. And they had stole, like, $5,000 from my car.

I stole a Rolex out of the, out of the glove box.

Mhmm.

And then, you know, I we kinda, like it became public, and they actually got mad. Like, the Browns got mad at me for that. And I'm like, well, I'm not the 1 who broke into my car. Yeah. You know?

Like, we gotta obviously take care of the players a little bit better, but it was just another sign of a dysfunctional organization. I even look at Jameis now. Like, I I think Jameis is a genuine guy. I think that the way he plays the game, he reminds me of sexy Rexy.

Mhmm.

Right? Yeah.

Also also r g 3. He

yeah. Also r g 3.

He's he's

he's gonna keep both teams in the game. Yeah. Right? 6 touchdowns in the last game. It just so happened that 2 went the other way.

And he has become the story there in Cleveland, but it's the sign of a dysfunctional organization.

Yeah.

They're not winning. They're 3 and 9. And the team is excited about a quarterback who is almost 5050 on touchdowns to interceptions.

That's why we love him. Alright?

And that it's all because of the dysfunction that they created when they signed Deshaun Watson.

Yeah. Yeah. A breath of fresh air.

Exactly. So when you see Jameson, you see the speeches and and the the comments in the post game, like, I always wonder, like, are people laughing more with him? Are they laughing at him? I just think they're laughing because it's different than what they've been dealing with the the turmoil

Right.

Of the whole Deshaun Watson debacle. Yeah. And Jameis is getting a feed off of that. Yeah. So, I I mean, I think it's I I I laugh with everyone else.

I think it's funny. Yeah. But that's dysfunction. It's a sign of dysfunction. As a player, you don't even know it until you get out of it because we're so used to being the man in high school, being the man in college.

And then you get to the pros and you realize, well, there's, like, 16 pro teams that just don't know how to get it done. Yeah.

I've always said that there's just there's a a dozen, 16, whatever you wanna call it that just they're not in the business of trying to win a Super Bowl. Doesn't feel like

it. They're

just trying to they're basically trying to make money and maybe catch lightning in a bottle where it's like, oh, a draft class was awesome. Now we're going to the playoffs. How do we sustain it? We don't care. Correct.

That's it's the worst.

And and I'm not I'm not advocating for the bears to fire Kevin Warren

to I am. To

100%. To fire Ryan Poles.

To sell the team, Georgia Kasky. Yeah.

I'm not doing that. It's just more of have it be clear. Let the let the football guys make the football Yes. Bring the coach in.

Yes.

Let him control what he needs to control, and stop trying to be the forward facing I was right. Yeah. Like, imagine if the bears were, I don't know, 124 right now.

Now. Oh, big cat would definitely be saying

I would

say I'm still waiting for that because everyone still says that Kilburn is a bust, and I'm

He's not. I don't think it's

There's a lot of people that think that. But They do. But And I'm waiting.

This conversation would be different if the bears are 12 and 4. Course. Big cat would be like, hey. Remember when you said this? Blah blah blah?

I'd take a victory lap.

Not to

take a victory lap. Yeah. But I would take a victory lap.

You take the victory lap. Yeah. And and I understand that. So when you make a statement, you have to be ready to back it up. So I don't ever make a statement and and say to myself, man, I hope this I hope this doesn't work out.

I wanted you to be able to have a victory lap against me because I want Caleb Williams to be successful, and I want the appreciates to have a a great team. But until they make the changes that they need to make, it's gonna be this never ending cycle. I don't wanna see you guys ruin Caleb Williams.

Yeah. Yeah.

I got a question that's different than, just the Bears. Yeah. Did Paul Feinbaum get you fired? Wow.

That is a heavy 1.

I don't I don't think he actually did.

I don't think he did. I have no proof of that. Yeah. What I do know is that when I'm on TV with somebody, I just feel like there's a way to tell stories the right way, and there's a way to cover the athletes a right way. And I didn't feel like at times and I think there's, like, 2 instances when I was on first take with Paul that he was he was taking care of their stories the right way.

Mhmm.

And, like, I I wouldn't come to you and be like, we can disagree. Right. I'm not gonna say big cats are fraud. Right. That's a that's a strong term.

Right.

I'm not gonna say that PFT is irrelevant. Right. Like, that's that's a Yeah.

It's personal. Right? It's personal. Right. You know?

Debating and having friendly debate back and forth, like, that's what sports that's what makes sports great. That's what we like to do. You were right. I was wrong. Like, it's okay.

Yeah. And I didn't care. Right. It's okay. So so how was it though I mean, like, when you got fired from ESPN, that sucked.

It feels like you're thriving right now. But when it first happened, were you like, shit. What the hell was that?

Well, I first have to say I was not fired.

Okay. Not fired. I was laid off. Laid off. Sorry.

A there's a difference, and I should say that.

And I am I am getting, paid

from ESPN. Love that.

While I'm off. So

That's awesome.

The first reaction was why. Mhmm. Alright. So that you go through the process of why did this happen. Okay.

Let me look at performance. Alright. They are saying it's not performance based. Mhmm. They put me on Monday night countdown.

Bless me with that opportunity. I was very thankful to be on the show with Susie Colbert, Steve Young, you know, 1 of the greats. Susie's 1 of the greats as a host. We had Booger on the show, Adam Shefter. And that was an iconic crew.

Why did

they pissed off that you beat the bird?

Oh, yeah. Maybe they were. Showed up the bird.

I can

give you the story about the bird. Yeah. But for me, it was more of a they put me on here for a reason. They I was a younger guy. Everyone else on the set was a little older.

They wanted to hit the younger demographic just like everyone is trying to do right now when it comes to content creation, and we accomplished that. The show is a success. Then we changed the show. Now it's me, Ryan Clark, Scott Van Pelt, Marcus Spears. And you go on that show, and the ratings stay the same.

Right? So then they bring Jason Kelsey in, and it's like, well, we should be on this thing together having a good time, 2 great personalities. I love Jason. I think he's a phenomenal dude. I know he's had some, you know, run ins with some stuff here We

took his side. Yeah.

Yeah. Recently.

But We took his side on that.

When you

when I looked at it from that point, it's like, okay. It's not performance based. They're telling me it's not performance based. And what is it about? And I don't know.

That sucks.

But what I can do is I can sit here and I can twiddle my thumbs for 3, 4 months, 5 months and try to figure out, well, why did this happen? Or I can just go move on and have fun, enjoy the process. We had the podcast out of pocket with RG 3, and my wife is a cohost on that. Mhmm. And we've had some great conversations with people.

And

You guys are crushing it. It feels like every other day, you're sitting with someone some big, you know, name or whatever stories And it's like, at the top

right now. Fun. You know what

I mean?

You you sit down with with Dion, Shiloh and Shidur, Dana White, sit down with Reggie Bush and talk about him getting his Heisman back. You know, we had a chance to sit down with and have a conversation with the guy, Mike Norvell at Florida State

Yeah.

When they're not doing very good right now.

Mhmm.

I know you guys you would rather do the interviews with the people who are having a good time Yeah. As opposed to people who are going through some things. Yeah. And that was a it was a tough 1 to navigate, but it's been a fun process for for me. And I got some stuff in the works that's gonna be coming up here in the next couple weeks, and I'm blessed to be a part of those opportunities.

But you just don't wanna sit on your hands and and feel sorry for

yourself.

Yeah. I mean, good for you. You know? I bet you it probably feels good to know that you,

like, you kinda control your own destiny now. Correct. And and it's, you know, like, legacy media as far as, like, the the ESPNs, the Foxes, the NBCs, the CBSs, and then the new new age media, Amazon and Netflix. Like, I'm I'm open and and excited about all those opportunities, but I wasn't just gonna sit at the house and be be mad about something. It's like they decided to go in a certain direction, and and you just find a way to be the best version of yourself that you can be.

The cast thinks that they didn't tell you why, though. Yeah. That would've been nice, or maybe it wouldn't. I don't know.

It would bother me.

I think I think it would be nice. I think everyone wants you wanna know. Right. When they tell you what it wasn't. You're like, oh, yeah.

I cool. Sweet.

No. You're

great. Sweet. It was awesome.

And then it's like, okay. But what was it?

You you're you're a big boy. Just be honest.

What was it? Right. And you didn't I didn't get that answer. And at this point, like, you know, we're shoot. What?

4 months past that?

Yeah.

I'm not asking for the answer anymore.

I don't

need it. Right.

I don't need it anymore. It's like like you said, we're thriving. We're having a good time, being able to connect with the fans in a different way.

That's great.

And then when we get back to legacy media, like yeah. I'm not gonna lie to you. The thing I miss most is calling games.

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I miss calling games. Yeah. 3 hours to talk to the fans, have a good time, crack jokes, educate them. I I miss that, and I look forward to getting back to that, whether it's college football, NFL, or both.

Yeah. Some really good things can happen when ESPN lets you go.

Yeah. We know from experience.

What what experience are you guys talking about?

We had a a hit show at ESPN.

Oh, or was it was it called barstool van talk?

It was. Yes. So But you I think you came to the same realization that we did in that it sucks, but if people like you and what you're putting out there, you can give it to them by yourself, and it's awesome. And people will love it. And then guess what?

You don't have someone looking over your shoulder being like, oh, don't do that. Don't do that.

I'll I'll answer that, and I'll get to that that eagle the, the

the the girl's dog story.

For me, when you do this, there's no like, podcasting, it's it's views, likes, comments. Hey. What do they like? You kinda move in that direction of what you're comfortable doing. Right?

I'm not gonna go be an OnlyFans model. That's just not what I wanna do with my life.

You kinda dabble in it. Yeah. The croissant picture

I think I think

you saw it. I think you

saw it. I think that's

kinda internet because the croissant picture, they took that bad boy and ran with it.

It's a very good meme.

It's a solid meme.

It is a solid meme. I was told today that I'm in the internet hall of fame because of that meme. So, but the reception that that I got after the news broke and I cracked the joke about Friday, and then I posted the the basically farewell from ESPN. And, you know, I miss my colleagues and the people behind the camera and the teams that I got to work with. The reception from the fans let me know, hey.

You you did it the right way.

Yeah.

Right.

It wasn't like, thank god that guy's gone. And you're like, that makes you feel you should keep going and keep doing it.

And if if this were the 19 eighties or the 19 nineties, if you get let go from ESPN, then you're like, oh, shit. What what do I do?

What do I do now?

There's not really a lot of options for you at the point where now it's like, yes. You have literally every option that's available. And whatever you wanna do, you're gonna be good. So, yeah, tell me about the birds.

Yeah. So funny the yeah. It was a funny story because when I first got put on Monday night countdown, they told me that, hey. You're gonna be replacing Randy Moss. And I'm like,

I don't know if

I wanna do that, guys. Like Yep. Randy Moss, he's a legend, straight cash, homie. He Randy Moss was actually the person that got me on Monday night countdown in the 1st place. Oh, wow.

I was going I was at ESPN my 1st year, 2021, and I was going there to read the Heisman finalists. That's it. Hey. A Heisman finalist has to do it. We need you on the show.

I read it. It's in Buffalo. It's the coldest game I've ever been to in my life, and I didn't have a jacket. Because in Buffalo, if it says it's, you know, 45 degrees, it's really not 45 degrees. Yeah.

Okay. It's it more feels like it's 15 degrees. And Randy stopped me in the truck and said, do you want to do come on, man? No. It wasn't come on, man.

It's do you wanna do you got mossed? So then the producer's like, yeah. I mean, Randy, if you want them in there, we'll put them in there. I'm like, yeah. Sure.

I'll do you got mossed? That was my first hit on Monday night countdown. Next thing I know, I'm on Monday night countdown the next year, and it was because Randy wanted to move to Sunday countdown. Ah. So it wasn't that I was replacing him there.

He didn't wanna travel anymore. And I know we see some of the health things that that he's talked about he's going through. I I kinda understand why he wanted to make that that that transition. So when they bring me on, they're trying to find something.

Mhmm.

We need to liven up the show. I get on, and it's the Seahawks game. And I'm like they're like, hey. What do you think we can do? I I thought about it for a couple weeks, and I came back to the producer.

And, his name was, Greg Shapiro, and I said, why don't I just race the Hawk? What do you mean race the Hawk? You can't beat a Hawk in a race. I'm like, I think I could beat him in a race. So I didn't tell anyone on the on the on the production side why I thought I could win the race.

But then when I ran, I beat the hawk.

Yeah. You get it.

And Booger was, like, rubbing me saying I didn't win, so then we did it again the following year. Uh-huh. And I blew them out even worse this time because I had football cleats on.

Did you do your research ahead of time?

Were you

my research ahead of time. You're, like, what kind of bird

is it? It's an osprey?

No. No.

It's the fact that the type of hawk that it was because Seahawks don't exist, by the way.

Yep. Just the hawk.

Yep. So they can fly up to a 120 miles per hour when they're hunting. When they're going down. When they're going down into the water and they're hunting, they fly at a 120 miles per hour. But they don't fly that fast when they're just gliding.

So they made me have to take off when the Hawk took off because I raced it first before they aired it and blew it out by, like, 25 yards.

So I

had to run again, and they made me take off when he did so he could actually have a chance to to beat me. And I beat him the first time, and then obviously blew out the second time. But there's there's no I always tell people don't be afraid to try new things. Just do your research. Yeah.

I knew he wasn't gonna beat me in that race.

Yeah. They didn't. And the person

at home certainly didn't know it's just a RG 3 just beat a wild animal. Yeah.

And the first

1 was like, this hawk doesn't know it's in a race. The second time, the the hawk fucking knew it. The hawk was embarrassed.

Yeah. It and the the handler was so mad because the 1st year when I beat it, he like, we're gonna race again, and he's gonna be ready. And the 2nd year, I said, I'm just gonna throw on some football cleats so I can have a little bit more grip.

Uh-huh. Oh, that's crushing.

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Trevor Lawrence.

Yes.

So it's

kind of another dysfunctional franchise for the Jaguars. But, he got hit when he was sliding.

Yep.

Took a shot to the head. Pretty nasty. Bounced his head off the ground. Correct. Pretty bad concussion.

Yep.

Then they they suspended the guy that hit him.

Yep.

3 games. I've been watching a lot of clips of quarterback sliding, sliding, and I don't think that you're a sliding expert. You never really not. You did not like to slide.

I didn't know how to slide.

Yeah. Did they ever do the thing where they bring in, like, the slip and slide? They Yeah. Nationals players There

was a

rumor that they did that, but that never happened.

So that that's how dysfunctional Washington was.

Correct.

Where to address questions about the quarterback sliding, they just planted a rumor in the press.

And then made it seem like I turned it down.

Yeah. Yeah.

That never happened.

That's crazy. So, but in watching all these clips, it dawned on me when a quarterback slides, they're putting themselves in a pretty bad position to get a concussion.

Correct.

So you can avoid a lot of hits if you slide, obviously, and you can, you know, declare yourself down, and you won't take those big shots in the open field. But when you slide, you're putting your head right at ground level to get bounced off the ground if they contact you at all. With Trevor Lawrence I'm not blaming Trevor Lawrence for this, by the way. He he gave himself up in advance, and I think most defenders would have pulled up at that point. But it's like a bang bang play.

And Correct. You have to make a decision as defender at the last second whether or not you need to pull up.

Yeah.

But what are your thoughts on quarterback slides?

Yeah. I mean, it's a lot. I will say in Trevor Lawrence's specific example, I I've had 2 concussions from that same exact thing. In Washington, we were playing the Atlanta Falcons, and Sean Witherspoon did the same thing to me. I was sliding, you know, near the sideline, last second slide, even later than because I don't think Trevor slid late.

I think his was just Yeah. You know, the guy formed formed in the in the face. But I did slide late with a spoon, hit me, bounced my head off the ground. I was out for the rest of the game. In college, I was at playing against Texas Tech in Jerry's world, running towards the sideline, slid, boom, got my head bounced off the ground.

In college, that probably that situation that Trevor just went through happened to me at least 6 times. And this is 2011. Right? Defenders are trying to get as many licks as they can on the quarterback. So when they see you slide, they're gonna try to give you something.

I'm not saying that they're trying to put you out the game, but they're trying to give you something to to prevent you from thinking it's sweet. Right? They want you to know that it's sour. When I hear quarterbacks talk about sliding who were not mobile guys, they don't have as many opportunities to be put in those positions. Whereas Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson.

These guys are being put in these situations 5, 10, 15 times a game. So my belief is, yes, sliding is a mechanism to protect the quarterback. You don't take sliding out of the game. But I can also understand from a defensive side why they get mad when Patrick Mahomes

Yeah.

Does a fake slide. Yeah. Or when Kenny Pickett had the infamous Yeah. Fake slide in college that I was on the call for.

I thought awesome.

I thought it was awesome.

It looked cool.

But from a defensive perspective, they're saying, well, I'm not supposed to hit the guy. Right. I don't think that there's a perfect solution to it, but I think everyone in their right mind would agree that what Aziz Alshahir did was wrong. Trevor Lawrence did not slide late. He he clearly went after his head once he went for that slide.

That shouldn't happen anymore. But we do have to I think we might have to start penalizing quarterbacks for fake slides.

Oh, man. Imagine a cheap scheme getting decided by Patrick Mahomes fak