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The blast from our past network. Supernatural Halloween exploitation slashers and everything in between. Welcome to the podcast. After dark, watching the show where a guest chooses to talk and the hosts, along with the guests, discuss their top five things. Light a candle, hydro Ouija board and enjoy the podcasting after dark, watch Mr.. Welcome to another podcasting after dark watch list, I'm one half of the pad team, Zach, it's my show today. Cory is off, who knows, probably editing another episode of Podcasting After Dark per usual.


But today is a really special day on our watch list, because quite often I've had people on the show that I was friends with for many years and we talk about movies we mutually love.


But then through this whole awesome podcasting world that we live in, you connect with people that you have similar interest with and then you say, hey, we should we should have like a one on one episode and get to know each other.


And next thing you know, you're buddies, so.


Joining me today is a really awesome dude. He reached out on Instagram, going back and forth, commenting on our mutual love of movies. And the next thing you know, it turns out he is a phenomenal writer and video director all around radical dude.


This I have with us David Irons. David, welcome to Podcasting After Dark, the watch list.


Zach, thank you very much. It's an absolute pleasure to be here. And thank you for the prize that you just gave me. It's a wonderful thing. If I could just hire you is like my personal prize giver every day of my life, I think I'd be a better human being because of it. So it's very nice to hear, but it's great. I mean, like you said, and it's totally true, like Instagram, I kept saying this thing, podcasting after podcast, not just popping up almost like, you know, like when you see something online, you just don't think.


You think, oh yeah. Like I think, oh yeah. There's a picture of Robocop. There's a picture of on and there's a picture right now. There's a picture of the new kids and it just didn't click in my mind at first. Oh yeah. This is actually a podcast. This is like, oh, you're just showing me pictures of things I like. And then when I jumped into this, I fell in love with it. Everything, just the whole nine yards.


I absolutely love it. And you guys are great. And the positive spin you put on everything is it's just really nice to hear that, you know, talking about movies is refreshing.


Well, there's enough negativity in the world on a daily basis. And it's nice.


You know, I've always been the eternal optimist and trying to look on the to quote Monty Python and try to look on the bright side of life.


No, no reference to the fact that you're in the UK, but not so well off er just for everyone listening off.


Er, David and I were setting this watch list episode up and just kind of going back and forth, witty banter. And I dropped an old school doctor who reference like not new doctor who old school like you know, the first doctor, the second doctor third. And there was an old I don't think it even aired, it was called Dr Who and the Dinosaurs.


I think that's one of the lost episodes, isn't it? I think one of the things one of the ones that's been. Yeah, yeah. The BBC, in their great wisdom through into into the garbage is gone forever. It's gone forever.


I have the trade paperback still. I read it as a kid and. Which I still have, and, yeah, so I dropped an old school reference in, like TV picked up on this, which you did, of course, because we share very similar interests from from 80s movies and video games and send our love of synth wave and. Oh, completely.


Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, Transformers, the movie with the Junction's you talk TV.


I talk TV is kind of the same thing, but it's all I have to say about is all I have to say to that is bar we've grown we ninni by bomb.


But getting back to you.


Yeah I've had friends on the show, but I've always had friends on the show that are artists in some way doing work that I respect. And you published is this your first novel that you published Wolfmen.


Now this is like I've had a bit of a home run for the last year. This is the fifth novel this year.


It's about this year. Oh, no, no, no. This is the fifth one this year. The eight started last summer. Well, I sold my first book two years ago, which was Night Wavves, which is the story of parasitic sea sirens living underneath a pier that take people's faces and identities. And it turns into kind of Lost Boys meets Evil Dead meets Invasion of the Body Snatchers. So that came out last year. And then I was listening to another podcast on Aghan.


There was talk and he said, oh, yeah, I found this press in New Zealand who press and I wrote this novel in four weeks and I sold it to them. They liked it and it was out on the shelves. I thought, you know, I'm going to try and do that. I'm going to see if I can do this. So I wrote a novel in three weeks and I sent it to them. And in six weeks it was on the shelf, which was it was insane.


You go from, like having a book coming out two years. Oh, yeah. We're going to have this big release. We're going to do this and send it to these other guys and they get separate press. They're kind of like the Roger Corman of the novel world. Oh, cool presses. Yeah, they do. They love monster movies. They love, you know, things under the sea, things under the ground, things from the sky or anything like that.


It's worth checking out. They do some really just fun quick stuff. Do you know, I mean just like I like driving quickies on, on the page. And so I sold that book to them and then I've put out. So that was night grippers. There was my wife's first one night creepers, the second one, which is about hellspawn attacking people from underneath the graveyard. Yeah. And and then what came after then there was I did graveyard.


Really. Yeah. He was next. And that I think like you big time animal lover and I want to do something to just. Yeah I have my times always taken up by things. I just wish I could spend more time doing some good with animals and for animals, you know, like just donate my time to animal sanctuaries and things which I'm doing that now. But at the time I was like, I just want to put a book out instead of just donate money to things that are important to me.


And there was like a really nice cat sanctuary not too far from where I live. An old couple run it and I know they just need as much help as possible. So I already had great job really done. So I released it through Amazon and all the profits from that book go to them and go to cat sanctuaries. So it's a really nice, positive thing. And it's kind of and the stories are a cat and a ghost trying to fight a supernatural killer.


So it's a horrible, horrible stuff. And it's and it's kind of like is a cross between The Frighteners and Street cat named Bob. It's the kind of thing where the cat is talking to the ghost and the kind of the Gene Wilder, Richard Pryor, he no evil see no evil. One of yeah, yeah, yeah. One of one of them can look for a door and say, oh, this is what we need to get through that.


And the other one hasn't got Thoms door open to those areas. Yeah. So this is that kind of thing, this, this relationship that they built to try and solve this series of murders. And then after that this this one and then the other novel that's four and a story in an anthology actually that's how many are actually out. The one that's going to be really should be released in the next two weeks is Polybius. And I don't know if you know about the Polybius urban legend you know about.


Oh, no, not at all. Right. You get ready for your next deep dive. Yeah. Apparently in Portland, Oregon, in nineteen eighty one, there was this mysterious arcade machine. This is urban legend. So this is true. Is this worth like words? This arcade machine turned up and people were going to this arcade in Portland playing and they were getting headaches and people getting sick and there was talk about I was like put there for a minor manipulation and to test people's eye and physical responses for brain training purposes.


And then all of a sudden this machine disappeared. And there's some weird screenshots of it you can find floating around. Yeah. Yes. You can go them on these like videos. This there's a video on there called The Legend. And it's like, I think about four million views, like it's this big thing about this Polybius Arcade machine. So I took this idea of this mysterious arcade machine and turned it into kids who get stuck in an arcade in Portland overnight.


And it kind of comes the Breakfast Club meets like the Living Dead.


Sounds amazing out of all my novels, that one that was kind of a bidding war between different people for that one was like, oh, we really like this. We can do something with this and cool.


Yeah, that that time that was a hardback just before the lockdown started and it was a two hundred and fifty copies. Oh wow. Just limited edition hardback. Two hundred and fifty copies. And the publisher who is hard copy games, they turned round to me and said, okay, we're going to go live now and put the thing up. Can you share it? And I thought, yeah, that's brilliant. Right, let's share everything. So half an hour after they sent this stuff online, sharing site, sharing all the links and people coming back to me going, yeah, I'm just trying to buy your book.


But he says, sold out. Oh, wow. It's like, wow, I have no idea about this yet. And so we sold all of them out in half an hour, then did another two hundred and fifty and they sold out that day. So yeah, I just flew. Yeah. Yeah. Know I'm so happy, I'm so happy about that because I want to really put a lot of work into and I've wanted something special to me that it means something to me, you know, like you write things if you have a laugh and you think this is a great little thing.


But this one was like, yeah, this is this, this is something I really got my teeth into, was like everything. I love the 80s video games, arcades, horror. I loved it. And that one's getting released again next month with with I don't know if you remember. Do you remember the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween video games for the year?


Yes, I do. I never played them, but I do. Yes.


Yeah. Well, the new books are for the book is based on those wizard video covers for the awesome. Yes. It's a basically a fake Atari box cover for the book, which is going to be really cool. Yes. And then yeah, it's also been going on a Wolfman is a werewolf in story with the tag line in space. There's always a full moon. So there's part coming through. All right. Yes, very true. And to the detriment of everyone.


It goes into space and doesn't realize that there is always a full moon. And you have a werewolf report.


I thought you might add the tag line in space.


No one can hear you howl but make you whatever you want or need you. I am. I have my moments. I'm just I'm here now and you're here now with me.


So you know the future collaborations. I'm totally down. Yeah.


I think it needs to be done. I think it's something I think is something is going to happen.


I really look like, first of all, first of all, we might need to devote an entire episode to just interviewing you because you're back. Just just your books alone are fantastic. I want to know more your back story. I know you're also. You're your girlfriend is a as a musician and you directed her music videos, right? Yes, all of them Roxxy drive away from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we've had a Toyin if you've seen the night waves music video, that was we might that is it's kind of an advertisement for my first book, Notley's.


And that's what you sent that to me.


I remember you sent that to me. And that's kind of what sparked our relationship. Our friendship is great. Yeah, it's you sent that to me. And I was like, well, first of all, if you haven't seen it, it's on YouTube and you can check it out. It is so damn good. And I, I just I love your work. So so when I asked you to be on the show and you said, yes, I got so excited because, you know, I've done I've done this is my fourth watch list now and everybody I've had on I respect and admire.


And you are now a part of that exclusive club. So thank you so much for the show. I love it.


It's brilliant. I've been looking forward to this all day. I really have a week. Well, all of my life I'm here.


So like and again, we are saying this on air. Off air, but. You know, finding the finding the things in your life that bring you joy, find the things in life that make you happy. This makes me happy getting to talk about some of my favorite genre films. And you chose the topic today. The topic today specifically is our top five favorite Italian horror films.


Why? Before we get into it, I choose this topic. I absolutely love Italian horror films. Simple as that. Really? Yeah. Yeah, it was, you know, back in the day. I mean, it's that thing you never really realized at the time what an Italian horror film was until it was pointed out to you. Do you know what I mean by that? You'd rent something off the shelf and you think, oh, yeah, look at this film.


This looks this looks great. This is like it's an American horror film. And you watch it and you think, yeah, there's something a bit off about this American and this American horror film. There's something a bit strange here. And the dubbing immediately is the thing that gives it away because they put their mouths, they say in the words, the words coming out of their mouths that actually match the movements, what's going on? And it was that kind of process of elimination and looking at these things and all the fake names of the directors on the back.


Oh, God, what one is that? There's Umberto Lenzi. He's got two different he's got two different American pseudonyms. And one of them's Humbert Humphrey, a very American name and even more American named than that, which is Vincent Dorn. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And the best one of all, I can't think of the guy's name that might the visitor, but he's he's a pseudo American. Name is Michael J. Paradice.


Actually, that sounds like a synth wave artist now. Oh, I know. I know. I think you've had copyright that as a symbol of this, to be honest. I think that needs to be done. It was just these weird little things about these films where you'd see them. And it's like this is supposed to be American, but this isn't American. There's something.


And then, like I say, you do your homework and you figure, oh, they're Italian films, OK, I get it. And it starts making sense. And I mean, I always think of a line of dialogue in the New York Review of the Lucha film where it's a foreigner, right. In American dialogue, it's complete years. And it's an old woman that walks into a police station and she and she says, oh, well, I saw the culprit.


I think it was her. It was a woman. And she had big hair and expensive clothes, just like those people. If that TV show Dallas and it's just like no American, like, you know, like they look like someone from Dallas that would be enough. Like, you don't have to describe what Dallas is to appoint someone for and trying to talk America, that kind of gap in the dialogue that you noticed. And it was that thing like it was discovering them backwards, like you see these films thing.


I don't understand what's going on here and then find out through Fangoria mind and things like that, like, oh, this is Italian and there's this whole subgenre of Italian movies. Yeah.


You know, the thing about Italian films that I want to tack on to what you just said was, you know, I first discovered Italian cinema through spaghetti westerns and always felt like a very distinctive difference between an American Western versus an Italian Western, obviously enjoying Italian Westerns that much more. And it became that pretty much became the benchmark. You know, of course, people always remember the good and bad and the ugly. That was not that's not my favorite.


But, you know, once upon a time in the West and Django and and people would, you know, duck, you sucker, and like all these great kind of, you know, gritty films, which became the you know what people based everything off from that point on an Italian horror. You're right. I would I would I first discovered it through Fangoria and by accident. I think one of the first movies which may or may not come up in this list was zombie.


And people said, oh, this is the sequel to Dawn of the Dead.


I'm like, Oh, OK, I want to watch it. And I watch. I'm like, this is not the sequel, The Dawn of the Woods. And I will go to it too much into detail about that.


But I will say just the fact that you know it, you're right. It had a different look. The dialogue was different. The dubbing obviously was stood out. You'd have one American actor typically in these movies with a bunch of Italian actors and and then and so you'd have enough to sell an audience on like, no, no, no, no, no.


This is this is an American movie, kind of pretending almost to be an American film. But obviously, when you said Italian horror, the first thing that jumped in my head was the amount of Gore and the music and the Gore kind of going hand in hand, these orchestra scores and sometimes Cynth scores precursor to all that stuff that we have now. And that's what stood out to me, so I went into a deep dive once you selected the topic, because on our show, obviously the guest chooses the topic.


And it got me so excited to re watch a lot of movies I hadn't seen in a long time.


But but, hey, why don't we just jump into this, you know, and obviously, just for listeners sake, if I or David have mentioned a movie and then one of us has that on our list already, we can always say, oh, that's on my list, too.


Or we might say, well, I'm going to bump that one off and then put this one on and then we'll have a little honorable mention right before we get to our number ones. So as the guest, would you like to start off with number five?


I will. Thank you very much. Right. My number five from who we just mentioned previously, Umberto Lindsay. Ninety Nightmare City. All of the news this evening is speculation concerning the real facts behind the Department of Health announcement about a radioactive spill supposed to have occurred yesterday at the state nuclear plant. Information from an official source which reached our newsroom this afternoon stresses the seriousness of the situation. Something very serious has happened at the airport. But until we conclude our investigation and take the necessary countermeasures, nothing is going to leak out.


Nothing. This individual and others like him have been subjected to strong doses of atomic radiation, which increase their physical capacities beyond the norm. In short, it's a kind of a Superman is a Channel five TV station being attacked, for God's sakes, send somebody back. God help us all. Oh, that's a good one. You've seen that one?


Yeah, oh, yeah, I've seen it's been a while, but yes, I like it. It's got lots of folks to it, like many folks to it. One of them being Hugo Stigler's the star. He wasn't originally. He was he had no notice of. I mean, let's be clear. I mean, we know about acting like a lot of its reaction. Yes. His reactions are good. When something happens, there's a bit where he's like trying to make a TV announcement to say, oh, yeah, the city is being attacked, but did it.


And they cut the feed and he turns around and he goes, what the hell are you doing? Why do you cut it off? And he thought, Oh, wow, you can't. He's doing it. He's acting like he's doing it. And and then there's a few other things where things happen and he reacts really well. But overall, I mean, he's kind of like watching a hostage video. It really is. It's just like, oh, yes, yes, the city's been overtaken by these creatures who are atomic men.


And it's just and I've just always wondered, like, why did they choose him? And digging into it, what happened was on Silenzi when he had the script originally, God rest his soul. Bless him, he wanted John Saxon. He was going to be the star of that film. And I think if John Saxon would have had I think it would just elevate the whole film. I don't think it could elevate Umberto Lenz's career, to be honest, for sure.


Yeah, yeah. Just it makes it gives that film that bit more grandeur than he's got. But they had some I think it was Spanish backers and it was a tally, something to do with love in Italian. Got a Spanish guy and they kind of went into a room, spoke and they said it's the Hugo Stiglitz, he's going to be the big star. And he's just like, we can't act. It's terrible. Oh, no. Trust is you dickless.


He's the one. And it's just like, OK, we're making that, let's say, a few guys, Stiglitz and all dreams of John Sachs and just went out the window and. Oh, I just I think it would have been able to make the movie. It would have been remembered by fans. Strongly, more, you know, more. It will be just more remembered by fans because it was a John Saxon film, a film. Yeah, I think John Saxon, because he was at that time, late 70s, early 80s, he was such a hot name and had and he would have added a lot more credibility to the film.


I hadn't seen the movie since it was on VHS. Right. Since I was a kid. But but I do remember and this is another thing, too, about Italian horror films at their at their base, their root. The stories sometimes or the ideas sometimes are are what sell you to watch it. And then you watch and you're like, oh, this is not as good as I thought it would be.


But if I think about the movie, if I think about it, it sounds amazing. And that's what I'm going to do. Yeah.


No, yeah. No, completely. It's I mean, there's like I said, there's many faults of it, but it does something with a lot of these other films of that time doesn't do. And the big thing about it is when you think like a Umberto Lenzi said, there's a great DVD from the mid 20s. I think it was released on DVD, which is a German releasing company, and they put out on top of the soundtrack embedded in the DVD.


And our interviews are always perfect. Yeah. And they put this thing out and there's this interview with Bird's Eye Lenses home and he sitting there and he goes, everyone say my movie zombie movies, no zombie movie. Quentin Tarantino. He come up to me and he says he goes about, you make the best zombie movie. And he goes, No, no, Quentin. It is contaminated man movie, not zombie. Yeah. And so that's what it is.


You can't think of it. It's got the basics of a zombie movies and people get infected and attack one another. Yeah, they run. They're fast. They're not like you. Romero's zombies. The thing that this thing does, unlike the Romero zombies, is like you think the living dead is on a farmhouse you don't have that is set in die of that underground bunker. But Nightmare City is set in the city. But they had that landscape of the scenes in the hospital going to attacked the the town getting attacked, you know, shops getting attacked.


There's a scale to it that none of the Romero ones really had in a way then. And that's kind of admirable for the budget. They work, you know, with these things.


And it's like, you know, yeah, I was I was going to I was going to echo that sentiment at Romero. And this is not taking away from anything his body work at all. But his his films are very like indie, smallscale, if you think about it. And and yeah, the Italians for for however, they were able to get their funding, whether it was from Spain or not, because I think a lot of Italian films did have a Spanish component to it.


In fact, my number five is a has a Spanish connection.


I know you've got five. Well, we'll find out, but yeah, the scale. I love the scale, man. And so, yeah, you can. These are Italian horror films are some of the best movies to watch with a group of people or a drinking night or a game night, you know, completely.


Oh yeah. Yeah. They're just like they're fun and you can watch them and they do what they're supposed to do. And I love movies.


That's a great that's a great way to. Yeah, it's it's ear candy or I can.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's definitely eye candy. Oh no doubt about that.


No doubt about that. I was going to say to that Umberto Lindsay was distancing himself from zombie movies way before the makers of twenty eight days later he completely.


Yeah, yeah, 100 percent. So he really did. Yeah. And I mean like I said about the scale of I mean he starts in an hour, the whole setup is great. Like, you know, the guy's going there to interview like a professional professor is landing in America on this plane. He starts in an airport with his plane land and it's just full of quote unquote contaminated men. And it's just have that scope to start at the airport and then move through all these different locations.


It does give it this this grandeur. This is epic sense to it that you don't normally get with these things. Yeah. And it's I you know, some of the makeups are not so good. And, you know, there's problems like I say, there's problems with the staff, to say the least. At times he's not that bad, but he's I think they shot this in linear order because he seems to get better as it goes on.


Maybe maybe it started with, like maybe literally started and he's there doing this thing. He's thinking, oh, Jesus Christ, they want to wanted John sex and what we're doing now. And then as he warmed up to his oh, OK. I know what I can do. This is fine, but I can do OK.


But one of the I think I think Romero would have loved to have wrote this. Which is used in but Mel Ferrara stars, he's like an army could win it, and he's given these men instructions about how to kill the contaminated men. And he says it's all very easy. Gentlemen, all you have to do is aim for the brain. And that's such a good law. They so perfect. Yeah. Yeah.


Mel Ferrara, George Clooney, his uncle, and Miguel forever. His father and.


All right. No doubt about George Clooney, his uncle. Yeah, he because Miguel Ferrara is George Clooney. His cousin was because he's no longer with us, unfortunately. But yeah, there's a little fun fact there. So there you go.


All right. Number five, I love that nightmare city.


Excellent. Very interesting. Come on. I know it is, but I'm very interested in your number five now. So my number five is.


Yeah, it technically falls within the Italian horror genre, even though it's directed has a Spanish film director. And and it's and it's set in the U.K., in my opinion. It is one of the best zombie movies of all time. It's it's under the Italian umbrella because at its core, it's an Italian horror film.


It is the night I think I was going somewhere else. Oh. Oh, good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's very interesting. Yeah.


My number five is the 1974. Spanish Italian horror film, Let Sleeping Corpses Lie, a.k.a. the living dead at the Manchester morgue.


I apologise. I applaud you. That's a very I didn't think of that one. I didn't think of that one. But that's a very good thing.


I chose this one because, like, I like I already said it. I think it technically falls within the Italian horror film genre.


Yeah, it's a it's a very simple story.


These kind of beatnik hippies on the on the cops, because they are suspects like Russell Brand, old or totally.


Yeah. What's the Rae Love Lock, which is a great name, by the way.


Yeah. And he looks so cool.


If you watch this movie now, hipsters will be like, oh my God, this guy is a true hipster go.


Oh, he's totally ripping off what our style is.


Probably more the latter. Sadly I would definitely yeah. This film. But what I love about this movie, it kind of has an element of whammer horror as well, where it has a kind of a slow burn and then the third act is just utterly gory and violent to the core, just getting ripped off. Zombies walking around who who look they look like more like corpses then then quote unquote zombies. They just.


But that's that's the beautiful thing about this, though, isn't it? Because I think that's what kind of separates, you know, like zombies from walking corpses. I think now you think of zombies and you think walking dead and everyone still, if one looks either, like, ragged and like in a way to nothing or just like humans, you know, it means there's nothing but these Italian films, they make corpses. They look dreux, you know, they looked like they were dead.


They looked like walking corpses. And I completely agree with what you said on that. Like that these Italians, especially this one living dead, a Manchester morgue is is very much good at that making. It looks like something dead has come back to life.


Oh, yeah, yeah, it it really feels it's haunting, the score is fantastic, it's yeah, it's it has like it has a unique look to it that I think sets it apart from a lot of movies that came out around the same time.


And just also like.


Unique in the sense that the the lead actors are not necessarily likeable, but they become likable as the movie progresses and I never saw it as a kid. I saw it back when Anchor Bay released it. Mm hmm. Yes. And then I got the DVD and it's the uncut version and added like an extra few minutes to it. I know in the UK it was probably on your banned list, wasn't it?


I was just about to mention that, yeah. Like a few of these it was actually illegal to own. Like if you had if you were a shop selling a copy of this thing, you could face trial and go to prison for it and which is insane. And leaving that Manchester morgue, there's a couple on my list, but one of them in particular that was on there because I was like Section one and section two of the video nasties list.


Yes, yeah. And this living in a Manchester morgue was on there. Yeah. And he's just insane. It's absolutely insane. Mary Whitehouse was she just led this campaign against against horror films on video when video kind of. You shouldn't have you shouldn't you should not have these things in your home is a disgusting thing and you're disgusting. People who watch disgusting films, they all fell apart at the end of it because it went on for years. And she did an interview with British TV and the guy said, you know, like so so what is it you have against these video nasties?


You know, like what what what's your problem with them? What do you see in these films that you think is a problem for society? And she turned around and said, oh, I would never watch one of these films. And the guy said, you've never even seen them. She goes, no, I would never watch a video. Nasty. I would never watch a horror film, but I would be quite happily to tell people not to.


And thankfully, some common sense came into everything. And and he was kind of asked, this is like, you know, the matriarch of Ben Horror film. I find the video nasty, doesn't even watch the bloody things, which is just insane. Inside, she she pushed things through parliament to get I mean, not evil. Dead was vile. Evil Dead was the one. If you had a copy of The Evil Dead, you were doomed.


And something that's definitely worth people seeking out to watch. But please don't judge my country on this because, look, it's a pretty dreadful atrocity.


We had we had Tipper Gore over here, Al Gore's Al Gore, who for many people, like people, respect the hell out of him. But his wife, Tipper, I guess she needed something to do. And she spearheaded this very similar campaign, you know, to and she's the one that got that's why we have parental advisory stickers to this day and wanting to send a neither in the in the courtroom.


Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's you know, well we both we both have our our problem problem films.


Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's amazing to me. Yeah. It's insane.


Yeah. But there's like I say a video. Sam Raimi when he came over here when Evil Dead because he was called to go to court, the judge in England in the Crown Court, they had a screen and free of evil dead. And the judge came out and said, well, let's get this ruffian over here who made this thing. So he called Sam Raimi all the way over to England to come to testify. And when it came to it, you know, they're all in the courtroom.


And Sam was there and the judge was like, who is this person? It was like, oh, he's the director of the film. He's like, well, I don't need to see the director of the film. Was he here? And we come all the way over here, but literally nothing just to go into court. Yeah, I'm the one that made this disgusting thing your height. And he actually did.


He actually came over to. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. He came here when he was here. You can find this on. He's definitely on YouTube, but he did a a talk show like a UK talk show and he went on there to talk about Evil Dead. And he and it's just so embarrassing. It's just embarrassing for me because I just got some real hardcore right wing nut cases just to nail him into the floor. Like what you're doing is disgusting.


You might get away with these things in America, but we have British this. Just please find your work so I can crawl under it now. And I kind of feel when you watch this interview with Sam Raimi, I think that's why evil did become evil, that to become a comedy, I think it affected him being like having this room full of people just say you're a disgusting human being for you because he's, you know, he's holding his own.


He's saying, well, I got like Three Stooges and this kind of stuff. And they're just just British people. It doesn't bloody look like he looks like you're one of those bloody sickos. Oh, man. Yeah, I don't do this for him. Please. No. Wow.


Well, yeah, if people don't know the whole backstory and video nasties. Definitely seek out there, I'm sure there's a myriad of documentaries online. Yeah, yeah, like you said, this this film Let Sleeping Corpses Lie. It was on that list. So it was shelved. It was buried for four years. I was able to see it at the Egyptian and in Hollywood. Amazing screen.


And I will say, you know, I've had the rare opportunity to see quite a few kind of cult classic horror films on the big screen. And the energy level is just different.


And yeah, this one's my top five for the aforementioned reasons and the fact that it's just a cult kind of underground, not that many people know about it. Of course you do. And that's why you're.


What's your.


Let's jump to number four. What's your number? Yeah, we're all time.


Right. This for as many of these things do between countries, has lots of different titles you've mentioned already. You brought it up and went on before nineteen seventy nine zombie. Oh yeah. Also known in my country as zombie flesh eaters.


The National Guard in a controlled situation every hour on the city of Manhattan, Queens, the zombies are taking. Zombies entered the building at the door coming in. And that was this was the one this was going to talk about the list of the banned zombie flesh is was the one that was doing it that caused chaos in this country.


And what's so funny now, if you watch this movie now, it still is shocking. I think it's still shocking. It's tame, tame, so tame in comparison to other things. But this actually was on my top five and it was actually my number four. And I'm going to move it off and put something else in its place.


But Zombie is is here in the States. It was like technically the sequel to Dawn of the Dead.


I know it's insane. It's so good.


Because why? Because it takes place in the states initially and then moves over to Ireland and actually does this one year.


You get the New York Harbor shows then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not like somewhere else. Pretending to be New York is actually New York in this one. Yeah, that's true. And it's got the iconic.


What does that the splinter in the I.


Yeah. That's what got it banned here.


But that scene I could see one, I could see that whole completely. Yeah. Like I understand you know, like when you got a group of old ladies sitting there going what do you find anything offensive about this. Yeah. Splinted through the eye by a zombie hand it. That will do.


It wasn't it wasn't er MCCULLOH That was the offensive thing in the movie. We used to love his name as kids because how is. No, no, I said I said, I love you, MacCulloch. Oh, I love him. Yeah, no, no. I was going to say no, not personally, I can tell you on that. But he he yeah, he yeah. He's good. He did not I don't mean to say the name just in case he's on the list, but he did a few of these at the time didn't he.


And we used to love his name Ian. Guess because when you're a kid you're into all these things and the MacCulloch is the name of a chainsaw. So was Ian McCulloch. Yeah. What a name.


What that and what a real man man's name is named after a man like Harvey Harvey shotgun or something, you know, starring Harvey Shotgun. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. The Zombie vs. Shock which is do you know I don't know if you've ever seen this. You can Google this and find it, but there's like a Windows seven adver. I don't remember this being it's an American TV ad and it's about these guys and they're sitting there. But, you know, let's talk about Windows seven.


It's like, oh, you can find anything and do anything with Windows seven and Google and this and that. And someone goes, hmmm, what about a zombie? Find a shark and they play the scene in this window's commercial. Oh, really. Yeah, seriously. Yeah. And they just cut zombie flesh and there's the scene and they're all sitting there watching it go cool. And it's an advert for Windows seven. It's absolutely insane. Just when I saw this.


Sounds like this can't be real and that's amazing. Yeah, I know. I know. So someone somewhere was a big Lucha Falchi fan. I was like, right this window seven commercial. We're going to tell you how I can have. I got that through her nose. But that's that's the thing. That's a fact.


Wow, that's awesome. I, I, I'm going have to look that I'm sure it's on YouTube or something. Right.


It's definitely on YouTube. Yeah. It's definitely you can find it. Yeah. I think something that's worth mentioning about this Fabio freezy. Yes, oh, yeah, of course, yeah, I mean, why what is it about it, what do you what is it about Fabio that you love so much?


I think this soundtrack kind of cements what it was a couple of years. It was last year, I should say. I actually did the pilgrimage to Rome and I went to I don't if you know what you know about Del Rio Tinto got shot in in Rome. Do you know about this? Oh, no. No.


Oh, it doesn't it doesn't surprise me.


Should know this thing. Right. It's called Profundo Rossow, which is, of course, Italian, of course. Yeah. Deep red and behind the counter, working in the shop six days a week. Luchi Kozy, director of Stock Crash Contamination. He just works for Darío, which is insane. So you can walk in there going by and it's just filled with horror film memorabilia, selling, selling like.


That's great. Yeah. Luigi Kotsay, the director, the Italian film director, is working in Dario Jinto shop, selling props, selling DVD, Blu ray T-shirts, soundtrack's masks. And this like if you ever get a chance, man, you have to go there because underground, like someone said, when you go in, they say you want to see the dungeon. I thought Col's when I was obviously like flamboyant over Luigi Kotsay going, well, you won't have Hasselhoff and Caroline Monroe and you might start gross jokes.


But now this is really, really nice. Go out and D'Arrigo dungeon underneath the building. He has like is like prison cells and in between these prison cells and they're playing soundtracks to Italian films and linkon yeah they have all the special effects from everything. I can't name the films. They're going to be on my list. Yeah. You think of all the Argento films, all the standout makeup effects, they're all in there. And I think if I think if you check out my UJ, my Instagram of my video, I just, I video the whole thing walking through his dungeon and all the special things, all the props.


And it was amazing. And just being in there talking to the region because I'd just spent so much money on soundtracks like far too much money. It's just like, oh, is this everything? No, there's more. There's more, there's more. And we started talking about this stuff and he said and then and he said about Zombie Fabio freezy. And he said this was the turning point because they were slashing the budgets of movies, Italian films.


It's like, oh, we want you to make this film of this scale, but you're going to get like a million dollars or fifty thousand dollars less. And he said that Fabio was the one that kind of went full electric with this with this film. And he was kind of the turning point where they were all like, OK, let's just do everything electric. So cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's just I mean, Lucija was just a fountain of information that's telling me this.


And it made sense because you thought this is what made the 80s sound with electrics just because no one had any money for anything else. It's what we're just going to do on this. And I know. No, no, carry on. Carry on. Sorry.


No, I was I was going to say to that, you know, what came out of doing things on the cheap was was groundbreaking and and created a future for artists of today that have tried to take that sound and make it into their own music. So, you know, and like you said, I think Fabio freezy. Well, I saw Goblin at the Egyptian performing live and which was pretty fantastic back in the day, of course.


Yeah. You know, if you go on any for for people that are not familiar, you go you watch any Tarantino movie, any samples, music from these articles and and so.


If you hear this piece and you're like, what's that from? And then go seek out the movie that it actually originally came from and you know.


It speaks for itself. Yeah, yeah, Hotcake, yeah, we probably came from is better than Tarantino's film.


Well, I'll support that heartache as you're talking to him. Is is David in my head right now? Because he's really seeing a lot of the things that I'm thinking. But I have to seek out this store in Italy that whenever we travel again, my son, you know, he's fascinated with like Greek mythology and everything. So he wants to go over to Greece. And I said, yeah, well, we'll make a stop because I'm Italian. I'm like, I would make a stop in Italy and now check out the motherland.


So to quote Jack Burton, I know you have to do it. You have to do it. And I know I know even with everything that's going on now, like I mean, you can find the Rondeau on Facebook and Instagram and I know they've reopened. You know, things in Italy have reopened and Louise is back in. I mean, it's just it's so good. I mean, Luigi writes loads of books because he did loads that I can't even say the names and some of the things to see my head because I know they're on the list.


And it's just like he did the special effects for some of our Gently's films and he wrote books about how he did the special effects. And so you're in there buying this book, by the way, Chicos. You did the special effects. Oh, yeah. I'll make the book out of David and every sign in your book for it. And you're talking to the guy who wrote the book about films that you love. I know. Honestly, dude, seriously, I have to get there if you can at some point in time, please.


It'll happen. It'll happen. It'll be a podcast thing after dark field trip.


So all that are from there. There you go. I would think. OK, so I'm going to go into my number four. And it is it's a it's a 90s Italian horror film that I saw I saw in the theater when it came out because 1994, I was just starting to really get into Italian horror and this one just did it for me. And I dug deeper because of this movie.


It's the Yeah, 1994 Della Mortadella, Mouret, a.k.a. Super five, got the Blu ray in front of me.


At this precise moment in time, I. The watchman of the Buffalo cemetery. My name is Francesca Tullamore. I don't know how the epidemic started when I was in some paper on the seventh night of. The truth, make your life with your consent, I'd like to marry naggy, not as long as I've got a breath in my body. We'll fix that right. Stop the dead. If you don't want the dead coming back to life. Why did you just kill the living?


Are you listening to me? You know, tough. That yeah, that's that's a very good point. It really is really I mean, Rupert Everett before this was his first basically his first, you know, appearance on screen before he before he did any mainstream American films and a Falchi who is beyond gorgeous.


Yeah. The the front cover is showing some some of our assets. Yes. Spectacular shot from the film.


It's originally based on a comic book called Dylan Dog, an Italian comic. And she I remember being in a Fangoria convention and finding a bootleg VHS copy before obviously before DVD, the uncut version. And that. Yep, her there's a very interesting romantic scene in a cemetery, and that's the cover of the DVD.


So as I say. Yeah, and she's got to get everything to be proud of everything.


And I don't want to get myself in trouble, but, you know, no, no, no, I completely understand why.


But, you know, you just got to check out that DVD and admire it for as long as you want and we won't judge you on it. It's and it's beautiful.


It's a love letter. I think to it was a it was a 90s love letter to Falchi.


Yeah. To Argento to some of the greats and Lenzi and. Because it did come out at a time when we know there weren't really a whole lot of horror, that this was like the dying days, there wasn't that element of mortality. And I'm going to say the name of another one I don't think is one of these, because I think it kind of ended with wax mask, the one that thought she was supposed to direct in ninety seven. And I think that yeah, I think I think this 93 then leading up to that, I think these are literally the last two classic Italian horror films.




I agree. Yeah. I think, I think, you know, everything goes in waves. Right. Westerns died for a while and they came back, zombie films died for a while. They came back in a big way. Slasher films, too. And they will come back down the road, I'm sure. But yeah, it was just nice to see that throwback kind of and done in a really, really awesome way. So that's my number for Sematary man.


It's a yes and biopic is that's. Yeah. I love the film. That's a very cool big. Thank you.


What's your number. What's your number three. My number three is nineteen eighty five, I think as I say this, as soon as I say this, you're going to you're going to know starring Jennifer Connolly. Oh yes. Yes, I know. I'm Anna.


Yes. The wind. Yes.


Very particular when typical of this part of the country comes from the outside, the blasts of warm air, of course, snow avalanches and it blows, there are those who say it causes madness.


Have you any idea why they behave like that? Never done this before. It's probably because of me.


I guess I sensed the mood on. She is not afraid of you. Ask him to lead you by the dead bodies again and he'll lead you. That's why. Is there a magic wand? It's perfectly normal for insects to be slightly telepathic, hence normal for insects. But am I normal? I love you. I love you all. Maggots and maggots and lots of maggots, I meant to say that the larvae and everything that creeps then you don't want to see it creep in is in this film.


And Jennifer Connelly so kind of comes out right after right after Labrinth. Oh, really? At the same time. Oh, that's right. Because my was 86. That's right.


Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it makes you wonder whether or not this was how she got it. Must have been they must have seen this and going Oh yeah. This is this, this is the girl for Labrinth. Really great katharyn weird ways like you know there's that dreamlike feel through the way through phenomena and I think that kind of relates in some way to the labyrinth, you know. Oh, totally, totally, I think she she was perfectly cast in that film.


I love that movie equally as well. I think it's I think it's there's been many different versions on VHS and DVD and the creepers, creepers.


Yea. And people people might not know this about, you know, nowadays people go oh shout factor. He's got everything her on Arrow and there's all these great other indie Blu ray companies out there right now putting out great.


But Anchor Bay kind of was the only one at the time that was doing stuff like this and then yeah they were, but they had everything they know.


They had the whole catalog of anything they could get. I think at that time people didn't realize what a commodity these Italian horror films were. So they just swept the board and got everything done and released it like they did. Had to.


Yeah, they did. And then I think from from there, because I think Bill Lustig was working with Anchor Bay, he that's when he got Blue Underground, the offshoot. But I think that that was actually honestly the first time I saw phenomenon when is when it came out on Anchor Bay on VHS.


And and I'm like, wait a minute, Donald Pleasence is in this in a small room, Scottish The Donald pleasence as well, like, you know, pleasence. Can I just forget the Scottish thing? And every time I like when I went to the factory this week and he's done, he's with the monkey. And the first thing he says to the monkeys, Oh, you're naughty girl. Oh, yeah. It's kind of it's just the way it takes me by surprise.


Oh yes, I, I think I think he pretty much would if you gave him enough money. He was kind of like the Eric Roberts of his time. Like he would definitely.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah I think he is because Eric Roberts does everything with a smile on his face. Yes. Yeah I do. And I think Donald Pleasance was the same. I think he went to do. Yeah. Yeah. I'll gladly do this Italian film like it's no problem. What's the one, what's the one where Donald Pleasance is all dressed in black latex. Is it Prema man if you think.


Oh no, I don't think I've seen that. Well I don't know if you should. I don't need to. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a superhero thing like Humor Man and Donald pleasence. He's like the bad luck basically being the James Bond bad guy. You don't like a leather S.A.M. dominatrix. Oh, what is he wearing? And says, do you want me to song.


I will. I will wear whatever you want me to wear it. Just give me the right amount of money. So yeah.


Have you did it with a Scottish accent. I'll, I'll put it on not approaching this phenomenon.


It's a phenomenal choice. Sorry. That's bad.


Yeah. My one thing about the one thing I don't know if you've ever heard, I just want to put this out there so people can find it cause I really think it's worth finding if you ever play this nice game, Super Nintendo Game Clocktower, you've heard about one third of the game.


I've never played it right.


It's basically the video game phenomenon. They changed everything. Yeah.


You got you got just to do like a walk through into YouTube or everything else is exactly the same thing with go with Magots with like the little kid killer, instead of being set in Switzerland. It's set in a mansion in Norway. It's everything you look at it, the music's not on the same. There's like these animated graphics of the girl and it's like you've just taken screengrab some phenomenon. It's Jennifer Connelly and they're going to go called Jennifer in the game.


She's an exchange student. Is everything OK? So if you want to play phenomenal video game Clocktower on SNES, it's exactly what Clocktower is the one. OK, wow.


I'll have to throw a link up on our Instagram to show people the game or whatever you drop and you drop in knowledge like, you know, I was trying to think of a bad rap pun from the nineties, but damn dude, I'm impressed.


I'm really impressed. You have no knowledge like a bowl of porridge. There you go. I said I'm Ensnares.


I was like there was a line from what is it, a House of Payne song Jump around where he's like, I'll play you like it. You were Sagger.


And I remember people saying, this is so inferior to Nintendo man.


Like actually like I love the I think Genesis is better than Hotcake again. I think it's better the superintendent. I agree.


And I will say I think this take a master system is better than the Nintendo original system. Yeah.


Personally, just it had a more variety.


We had a cooler gun. It had a cooler controller where you can actually ruin a screw in joystick. Yeah, good stuff.


So welcome to Hot Take Central. We're dropping it all today. Everything's going that way.


And again, if you don't agree with what we're saying, I always throw up the Jeff of the dude. From Big Lebowski, where he's like, that's just like your opinion, man, like roll out, you know, it's all good. True. Yeah, the maggots always stood out to me. One of the movies that I left off my list specifically was because of how much it grossed me out as a kid. And still to this day, just it just grosses me out.


Sitting in the living dead.


Yeah, that's not on my list. That's normal. My let's forget about that scene with Katerina Macall, isn't it? And that fire in the maggots. Yeah, it is. Well, you can see this is moments on that where you can just see actors when the real act of what I do and I think that scene is definitely one of those scenes. No one looks comfortable with anything that's happening. And not because it's a scary scene is something disgusting is being done to them.




And, you know, this is way before me, too movement, way before any sort of movements where we were we were saying, hey, I don't know if we should this might be a little too much.


You know, this is this is the era of Werner Herzog and radical actors putting their actors use, basically looking at their actors like props and using them as such. So and not really caring, but there they go.


It's also timely to you know, it's like, what are you going to do? You can't go back in time and change these things. Now you can watch and go, Oh, I feel bad for that's really gory too.


So yeah. Yeah, completely. So, you know, it was a completely different time and that's how you got to look the eyes. You have to put on the glasses, you have to go. When you look at these things you can't imagine right now stand by it like this happened then and you know it is what it is. And yeah, it just happens to be people blowing maggots into actors faces, which is one, two.


I think I'm ready to do another hot take on you. So you go on my Nebris.


My number three is I don't want to give too much away. I'm just going to say what it is. Maybe I'll save the heartache for later then. My number three is another eighties mid eighties movie, the 1985 film.


When you said nineteen eighty five, I thought, oh, he's going to drop this movie, but you didn't.


So I'm excited about that. So far we've been I only had to switch out one of my movies, the 1985. Hopefully, you're watching the unrated version, Lamberto Bava, Classic Demons. Oh, of course it's on my list. Oh God. I can't change it where it is. You can keep it.


You can keep it where it's at. And I have a feeling. I have a feeling. I know why or what. No, it's going to be on. So I'll give a little bit of a why I love it. And then when we when when you get to it on your list will go in deeper. Because because I have it's just number three.


But I love this movie. I will just say I was introduced to this film in the video store walking up and down the aisles when I saw this, as you well know and Lissa's know, I love soundtrack's.


I see the box cover, which wasn't very haunting with the with the people rising from the with the shadows, like the zombies and in the blue behind them.


And I see like in the corner of the box it says soundtrack featuring Motley Crue on the field go west, Billy Idol, exact saxen.


And I'm just like, oh my gosh, it's everything I love about music. It's, you know, it's cheesy 80s pop and it's heavy metal.


And then I watch the movie. I'm like, oh, I don't really hear much of that. OK, well it doesn't matter. I still love it anyways, so we'll get into it later.


Why do you wanna know something about that. Actually cut some of those songs out for the American release. Really. Yeah, they did. They did.


Because you guys got a completely different I didn't realize this until Arrow released the blue right here and I got the thing side watching it. And I thought, there's something seriously wrong with this. What is going on with this copy? And there was an American dub and the European dub. And normally when you got Italian films like Hofstee, it was all the same thing. He was an English dub. But for some reason, Demons has an exclusive American double.


When our released the first Blu ray over here they use in American. Some of the voices are different. The music's different. I think the Iron Maiden song has been completely eliminated from the US. Oh, I think it's one of them has been always been replaced with something else that's based completely. Like once upon he I was a what the hell am I watching? And the guy in the cinema when an abusive husband with his wife in the cinema.


Yes. Why are you bringing us here on my on our anniversary. Shut up. It's free. It's just like joke. But that scene when they're in the cinema, that that guy was the first moment when I when it was like when it dawned on me like completely this is all different because it's where the prostitutes are talking in the background. And in the European version, he looks over the seats in the European version and he's dub is whores.


I knew it. I know. We always used to laugh at it. Yeah, totally. I don't know.


Yeah, well, whores in the American version, he looks over and he looks back. Those fucking hookers. Yes. Huh. Well, that's not the line. That's not the line. And the punks, the punks names are different and there's different deliveries on their lines. The music is different. Obviously, if you've got the blue, if you've got the scene, that's blue. Right. Is the one that you want to own number. And if you play it normally, it has the US audio, but just hate the audio button and then it goes to the proper quote unquote English European version of the music and the proper dubbing.


OK, I have to check and see which version I have, but if I don't, then I guess I'm going on eBay today and.


Oh yeah, yeah I like yeah they completely change. I have no idea what it's, I think it was kind of that Mad Max thing. Like you got the American version of Mad Max. Yeah. Yeah. Rebel the in and I think they did the same thing for this for some reason. I have no idea why they still got a fake American accents. You know the pimps. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The pimps still sounds like a quote unquote New York pimp.


They come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to get that rejection.


Both Oh my God. So OK. So so I guess quite possibly this will come up if we do a watch list episode. Well, we talk about the worst US soundtrack debacles ever on movies.


Yeah, I think it could be because the soundtrack is pretty flat for the US release because on the on the opening, but even the opening balls of the UK one, the European one, it's kind of got this mystical feel and they got this little motif that goes all the way through it. It's like this weird lo de de de de de de de. And he kind of feels like it's been cut and chopped and it gives you this really odd feel.


And on the US one. You just got this monotone. It just doesn't have the same feel, this little mystical kind of motif or the beginning of the European one, it definitely it sets up and it repeats over and over again. Anything from the screen is coming to life in reality. So it's kind of like John Carpenter thing gives a little theme through when something's happening. This thing and he's gone. It's gone from the US.


No, no, no. Who knows why they do these things?


Well, when we when we when we get to it on your last hour, I'll talk about why I love it. So so this will be the crapping on part. And then so but but now we're in our number twos.


Right. So who is who's on your number two.


Right. Number two. Nineteen ninety seven. And this one, I think this one might have the most alternative titles in Italy alone, because, as you know, there's a big thing with these Italian films. This one is just silly. It's known as Delirio. It's known as Aquarius. It's known as the bloody bird. But overall, it's known as stagefright. Nice choice. Wow, very I kind of out of the park one, I like that you got you've seen it.


You know the film. I've never seen it. I know it. I know the I know the poster, but I've actually never seen it.


This thing, it's Mekele, Suavi, or if you're looking at an American, Michael Suavi, because of course, that sounds more American, is the director director of Cemetery man obviously.


Exactly. Yeah. This was his first film. And as rooma would have it, Dario, because he he's in demons. He's in he's like a first unit director, second unit director, should I say, on those of the Dario Argento stuff. And he also stars in them and he did a few Liggio Falchi films or just acted in. But this was his first time directing. I think I've read and heard stuff where there was just kind of, oh yeah, you go and make your statement.


Movie will be making the big there gentler movies here, but. Oh, yeah, good luck with directing. They had nothing to do with Dario Dario's not producer on this or anything else. And when Dario saw this thing, I think you can't underestimate him. And he thought, oh shit. Okay, well yeah, you need to come back and work with me again because this is really good. And it was only a year later, I think it was a year or two years later that Dario did Oprah, which is kind of similar in some ways.


And yeah, like his version of Stagefright in a way. And I think that really made Dario stand up, because later on he went on to say he gave me some of the church and the sect to direct as well.


Church is a classic as well. The church is amazing. But this film, this film really kind of this film changed a lot of things for me. It kind of made a really big impact. Do I have like a second to just talk about a story that relates to why this thing really affected me as it did?


Please, do I have no real familiarity with this movie, so please go for it.


Right. This is this is a very insane story, but it makes sense. So bear with me on this. Back when I was a kid early 80s, I don't know if you have these. I don't know what you would call this in America, but do you have a lot of markets where people turn up to sell stuff like that, like a table when they put things on it to sell things?


Yeah. Yeah. Like flea market kind of thing. Yes, like a flea market kind of thing. And it was about I think is about eighty two, eighty three. Something that we went. This is just bizarre. Even when I think about it, it's just ridiculous. We went to one of these markets and there was this big sign for Empire Strikes Back coming soon, like, you know, we're going to a special school because I still live in the middle of nowhere on this farm and got Nowheresville as a kid for a few years.


And it was like, oh, we're going to do this special screening of Empire Strikes Back. And it's in collaboration with an anti smoking campaign. OK, and they had this table. This is not what of a lot. And I was like, oh, yeah. Empire Strikes Back is the sequel to Star Wars. I'll need to see this. They already want to see it. And so I remember my mom was talking to the lady opposite thing and she said, oh, yeah, yeah, you know, it's going to be like five pounds.


We're a ticket to see this. It's going to be shown at like a whole because there was no cinemas anywhere where we lived. But we really lived in the middle of nowhere. We're going to the special screening of it and we've got a competition as well for the anti-smoking campaign. It's like, oh, what's the competition? And she had a jar with a pair of disease lungs on this table filled with cigarette butts.


Oh, yeah, I've seen that right. You know, and she goes, right, this is a pair of disease lungs. Disgusting. Oh, yeah. It's absolutely horrifying and foul. And and she was like, well, here's the competition. If you want to go to the screening of Empire Strikes Back, you know, you pay the money and you go into a competition to win a prize. But you have to guess how many cigarette butts are floating around deceptively does these lungs.


Oh, yeah. And I, I think back to the day this happened, this was part of my life. Like, this would never happen to anyone now, like this was a definitely a product of the time.


No people would people would do like guess the jelly beans in the jar, you know, like something kid related, not just the disgusting cigarettes in the area around the disease lungs.


Yeah. Just like, what am I looking at? And and so we stood there and I remember my mom talked and I stood there and started counting the cigarette butts, OK? And so I kind of looked around and counted, you know, oh, you want to see Empire Strikes Back. So, yeah, let's buy the tickets now to fill out the form. And you put down you know, you had enough looking at them. Yeah. The disease, lungs and cigarette butts.


Yeah. Yeah, sure. So the thing out there, there's my guess how many cigarettes are in there. OK, got the tickets to Empire Strikes Back and it was like a month later or something like that and went to the screening of Empire Strikes Back, which is not this big village hall thing. They'd like a project. They're absolutely loved it. You watch the film like I don't buy it is absolutely awful human creature and human being, whatever it is.


Yeah. You know, you get those feelings like always in that one. He's a real bad guys and you're lucky it defeats everyone. And so we watch the film and then they come out and they go, oh yeah. Now we're going to have the competition, you know, about the disease lungs and build up a bloody disease lungs again. Oh, to the size of this, they they are just in case you forgot their their kids, his lungs.


OK, right. And also got a very special guest here as well, and they played the Imperial March theme and Darth Vader walked out on the stage. A guy in the costume come out to stand time and there was. Next to a job as the lungs and as a kid, it just slipped my mind, that whole feeling of something from the screen is just become reality. Yeah, I know. I was sitting there. Oh, my God.


And this guy in the Darth Vader outfit comes out and says, like, I hope you've enjoyed my film. No, we will release the winner of the competition. And, you know, all of.


And of course, the winner is David Irons on our mind. No way. Yeah. My whole world just crumbled because I come up onto the stage, come up onto the stage and meet Darth Vader. And there was like this border beyond fantasy and reality that was just shattered into a million pieces walking up on this stage. And they were like and then they started to go, well done. You correctly guessed the amount of cigarettes next to my deceased lungs.


So famous Mr. Vader. So I actually won like a Star Wars. I think it was the attack. Walker was like, oh, yeah, yeah. I got the exact walker. There you go. You've got there. And I was like, an amazing moment. But that fake that moment is like crossing onto this stage and being part of this thing. It was like, oh, you've just met the person from this. I was so young.


It just blew my mind. Like, I can't believe like I'm here. Like, what is reality at that moment in time is the reality of this. It's the reality was. The number of cigarettes. I think it was about two hundred and eleven times, sadly, I do remember, but that that that really affected me. That moment where it's like you're crossing that line onto a stage and then going into another reality really affected me as a kid.


And years later, we were watching an I'd like a friend or like you could hear my dad or someone rented a video. And we were watching the trailers at the beginning and the Stagefright trailer came on. And there's a moment in Stagefright where because it's about a play about a killer, like a musical, and it's like a musical slasher performance that we know. And the actual there's an actual slasher who breaks into the building where they're putting on this performance and he gets in the killer's outfit for being on stage.


And the directors, they're about to direct this because this is like the night before the opening. So they do running through everything. And he goes, right, let's get this thing going, OK? What let's get everyone into position here. And he gets the girl on the bed and he's gone. Where's the killer? Where is the killer? And this guy comes walking out. We think this is actor and someone else starts talking to him to strike him.


And he's not right because carry on, carry on with the performance. This guy walks up to the girl on the bed and grabs the neck and starts strangling her. And in front of all these people, we're just watching it like a performance. And she's choking and flailing around and the director is talking to someone else and distracted. Looks back to the stage in some ways is, come on, Killer Keller, the killer pulls out this massive knife and the director shouts, What the hell is the knife fork?


And this guy just stabs the girl to death on this stage in front of everyone. And that scene in the trailer, it just brought back the door for you to think about what's really at that moment in time. And it blew my mind. It absolutely blew my mind. And I hadn't seen this film for years. And then all that scene was set in my mind when I got back into Italian horror, because it was a trailer that I saw when I got back into the Italian horror thing.


And it was like, yeah, oh yeah, what's this film of this film? And I've got to stage fright. And I thought, oh, my God, this is the one this is that film from the trailer and Darth Vader and the lungs and all this stuff just came flooding back. This feeling of like, yeah, that's terrifying that moment, because it's like when you first meet an actor, when you're a kid, you're on experience being around an actor, you might sell this or know someone who has when they start acting, some people, it blows their mind like, oh, you it's you're like a different person now.


It's and it's it was that feeling as a kid I had and this this film gives me that feeling and he made a massive impact.


I can totally envision that story and I can totally relate that to that. And I think one of the reasons why a lot of the movies I choose for Podcasting After Dark are based on childhood experiences for me that just stayed with me. So that makes so much sense why you would that this film resonated with you? Because it had such a visceral reaction from your your childhood joy trauma. It really was joy slash trauma.


It really was kind of one of the same in my opinion. So, yeah, it really was. And this film. Yeah, it affected a lot of things, like the first film I ever made was the student film. It was called Casting Call, and it was about a guy holding a cast in and the gold that turns up may or may not be dead or may not be a ghost. And you don't really know what's happening, this play with reality and that it did it just affected me in a huge way.


And this is not that this is. Yeah, yeah. This is why it's number two. This was very important.


I mean, this film, man. Wow. Talk about, you know, how this is my number two just because it's good done.


No, this is my number two. Say it better because of it. Oh, great. Well, I'm going to go Stagefright is now on my list. I will watch it. Very eagerly and no, when I do watch it, have you in mind and have that story in mind as well, maybe all dressed up as Darth Vader, I'm just don't do it.


Don't do it again.


I'm going to go to my number two. And it's going to be this is my hot take, so my number two is a sequel. I am just going to jump in nineteen eighty six demons too. Oh yes.


And I chose the sequel over the original, which I love. And I have a feeling it's pretty obvious now where demons will fall on your list because we only want to go.


But I will say the reason why demons to go over demons one for me is, is because I've always been fascinated with high rises and and the feeling of isolation in this weird kind of hotels.


I'm not saying the story's better in in many ways.


It's basically just a retelling of the first one, but it's how people come down in life.


Wait a minute. Weren't you the pimp in the.


Oh, yeah. The guy doing the dubbing for that for something.


Oh, it's Moby is The Hobbit. He doesn't talk anything like that. He's got an Italian accent ever. There's a lot of different conventions and he's like, oh, thank you for enjoying my films of Italian Demona. And it's just like, yeah, you don't sound like a New Yorker. You were dumped about.


Well, for people that don't know, he's basically like the Ken Fourie of all of these of these zombie movies in a way, you know, like the Italian can, if you will.


Yeah, but but yeah, in this movie, again, like the soundtrack was plastered on the on the cassette box set featuring music and the Smiths.


Gene loves Jezebel, the cult art of Noise. Peter Murphy, Dead Can Dance, Love and Rockets. And I'm like, Yeah, I like the Smiths and the Cole.


It's, you know, about the story, about the soundtrack to this, about how you please just basically because the first one, which was Claudio Simonetta, did the soundtrack and Dario had to deal with the record companies to get extra funding because like I said, they were slashing the budgets of these films as much as they were slashing things on screen. And I was just losing money, like, you know, the last one costarring million in the next one is going to cost, too.


And they were just going down. But Dario did a deal with some record companies, said over like, if you are going to get this film released everywhere, so why don't you give us some music and, you know, to throw us a bit of money and we can give you some free advertising. And that's how they kept it going. And with the first one, like I say, it was heavy metal. And Claudio Simonetti and Claudio couldn't do the music for demons, too, because he was doing phenomenal at the time.


And that's the heavy metal music phenomenon like the Iron Maiden and nothing else. And so he was looking for someone else and he found Simon Boswell, who was is a Brit who lives not far from where I used to live in East London. And he found him and he said, oh, we're going to do a similar thing and we're going to do, you know, like the electric music and we're going to have heavy metal. And and and some bozo said, well, you've done the heavy metal and the electric for the last one.


Why don't we go more like electric golf music. Yeah, New Wave in the Smiths stuff in the cold stuff away from the heavy metal. So it's his influence that that went that way with this film.


To be honest, it resonates with me. It does that that makes total sense. They both on a visceral it's one of the few times that the the sequel, the original and the sequel, like I feel like they're two separate entities, but one of the same, obviously, because they're one wouldn't have happened without the other. But I just I love this movie and I love yeah. I love the soundtrack. That's a great that's a great fun fact tidbit.


Thank you.


Dude, I know that this is also the thing with the music, the thing with them when actually composed the music he just did in a flat in East London, because that was like, oh, because it was that distance. Yeah. It was like, oh, you have big sound system and you have everything. Oh yeah. You just did it in the kitchen and just made the soundtrack to the icing sign isn't it. That's talent that is that exists on a pure talent when.


Yeah. Something on that low budget and hand in to like someone like Dario and all of it. Let's put it in film.


It makes you appreciate the movie that much more when you know stuff like that, in my opinion. Because because it shows. Yeah. Shows the true talent behind something versus being a big budget and having it stank.


You know, you can get everything when you've got a big budget. This is the thing is so basically there's no end all of this. I want that. And it's just like piling. It's like having a cake and it's not the cake I wanted. Let's just put more cake on the cake and make bigger cake. And it just turns into, like, this hideous monstrosity in the end. But it's like you've got literally, you know, a rock, a stick, a piece of rope and no money.


Can we do something with it? Yeah, we can do some of it. And then you, Mike, it's it's like it's like an artist and then just pure fabrication. Corporate, just a quick pace of corporate slow. Let's just you know, we've got money, we can just keep throwing stuff at it, or you give the artist something, what can you create with this? Or we can create something and I think create this.


Yeah. And that's why these movies are on top of our list versus, you know, something that we're not doing, a top five favorite mainstream horror films kind of thing.


So top five favorite Harry Potter and The Hunger Games films. Yes, that's our next watch list.


Spoiler alert. I was just gonna take one last leaves. Just going to add that. Yeah. Asia Argento first film she ever did, Asia Argento, if I'm saying that correctly. And and yeah, I love this movie. It's great late night creep the shit out of you.


Fun romp but TV score through the TV screen thing. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.


The alternative to and I think that's maybe what freaked me out more because obviously there's one, they're coming out of the screen and demons too. It's, it's, they're coming out of the television and being late, being a home alone a lot as a kid. My mom being out the TV actually like that kid in the film.


That's a little boy that I am stuck in the apartment complex. And he's just like and he's watching the things like sitting there transfixed and terrified, unable to look away from the screen. What demons are killing people? It's.


Yeah, man. It's exactly why. It's because that was me. Yeah, that was me. I just felt like I could relate and in this weird way. And that's what freaked me out even more.


My brother be like, here, watch this. I'm going out with my friends. Well, where are you going to go? The door was closed. The lights are out. My mom's out on a date. I'm hiding under the covers, but I can't look away kind of thing. So, yeah, that's. There you go.


Before we get to number one, let's I don't know if you have like an honorable mention. I have one movie I want to throw out that kind of is an homage, a modern day homage to Italian horror films. Do you have an honorable mention you like to mention?


I do. Yeah, I do. Yeah. You want to go if you want first. Sure.


Sure do. We we had he didn't he's not directly responsible for this film. But Steve Case Dansky, who we had on the on the show director of the Void and the upcoming cycle, Gorman, he works for this company. I worked with this company, Astron six in 2014. They put out a great homage to Italian Gigolo slasher films, and it's called The Editor.


I've been wanting to see this for a very long time. It's great.


It's great. I will I won't spoil anything because it's it's fairly recent. And I don't want anybody to, you know, go, oh, you ruin that best part of the movie. But it is it is a dark comedy. It's definitely a dark comedy, but it stars all the Astron six guys. And if you don't know who Astron six is, they do movies like Father's Day and Man Big, a series called Divorce Dad, which is really hilarious.


It's it's got Yurok here in it. And then and then the dude from Human Centipede, Laurence Harvey, I mean, whatever it's you'll just recognize. Oh yeah.


And then a Spanish actress name, Paw's de la Werter, who's beautiful, and she plays a really funny character in the movie. It's yeah. It's an homage. It's basically the Shaun of the Dead for giallo films. Yeah. And it's great. It's great. It's definitely worth watching. Definitely worth owning because I think you can get the Blu ray for like under ten bucks at this point, maybe a little bit more. But yeah, the editor I'm just going to throw that out there.


It's fantastic. Yeah.


No, I'm definitely gonna check that. I think I'm weirdly enough, I think I've seen the making of that film on YouTube or something and it's like, oh yeah, I need to watch that. I just fell into the void of my brain. And when you mentioned that, it was just like, I do need to watch this. Yeah, it's great.


It's a great modern modern horror film, but yeah. Hey, you're our guest. You're the reason why we're doing this. What what's one year honorable mentions?


I would like to mention delirium. I don't know if you've ever seen this Lembo so Balfa film from back in the. I think it was. Yeah. The Blu ray in front of me. Now I know it happens.


Yeah. No, that was a weird one because lots of TV work. We did a few of these feature films. That one, it's just like your normal kind of it's kind of a crawl if you seen Brian Diploma's body double. Yes. He's kind of like a slasher film version. Version of that. Oh nice. Yeah it works quite well. And there's some really weird set pieces where you see things through the killer's eyes and he all goes a bit Salvador Dali and a bit surreal.


If you see something about like a girl or like her eyes, like he gets obsessed about that, then you see the girl and her face is a giant eyeball and she's walking around. And, yeah, it's a very odd film, but it's so good. It's worth watching. And something our dear friend Corey, I think would really appreciate this. I don't know, you know, which road we're going to talk about Cynth wife. And I tell you this, you know that singer Sabrina did.


Boys, boys, boys. And yes, from the 80s. It's never credited on the DVD, but she actually stars in this film. And, well, let's just say rather than boys, boys, boys, you get well, boobs, boobs, boobs. And it's like sold out your head. Got a right one left on Amazon. Love left on there. Yes. She turns up and I didn't even realize at first I was watching the film for hang on a second.


I know from something and then I'll figure it out. And it's like I mean, I Sabrina tell you this. I said, yeah, yeah. It's an old film. It's a very old film, but it's it's interesting. And it was when the budgets were getting limited. And again, what we saw my you have to be more creative and they went away with it, which I wouldn't say works on so many surrealist kind of imagery of seeing people up with the giant eyeball face on this.


But it's interesting. It's an interesting take on like the body, the body double, kind of like when you're you're fixated on someone. The stalking kind of thing is an interesting take on that.


I mean, film filmmakers are voyeurs anyway. So when you tap into that and there's always like an underlying when they're personal or they're independent, you think there's a connection here. So it adds to the creepy factor, I guess.


Was that a really polite way to say you just pervert? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, what are some?


Some are some are some are degrees of perverts, right? Yeah. Yeah. Another one I have to check out delirium because it sounds fantastic. Just outside of the sleazy, sleazy sea reference, you know, just the I love anything that's kind of avant garde or just artistically different.


Very different. Yeah, it's it's an old one. Like I say, it doesn't is a Ajello. But there's and as a time capsule of the 80s, there's like stuff that they just shoot on location and they go to all these clothes store. This is Hoke's like stalkings in the clothing store. And you just they're looking in this close to, oh my God, if I was there with a credit card, like I would own everything, like all the clothes, everything, racks of knives and yeah, you just see in this stuff, like it's a gold mine.


It's just an absolute gold mine.


Yeah. I mean, that that in itself, one of the things I love about Italian horror oftentimes and when we get to the number one, this is what I did with my number one pick. I just turned the sound off and sometimes I put on a really killer soundtrack that I love and listen to it. Just watch the movie. Just the visuals, the visuals itself, and especially with, you know, holp 80s like Demons has a lot of that great 80s fashion, too, and.


Yeah, I just I love that about, again, about Italian horror films. I was going to throw this one out here because it just popped in my head and just in a in a comedic way, just like one, you would never make a topless, but it might make a horrible list as far as Italian horror films are concerned, because they love to rip things off. And one of their great rip off horror films was a movie called The Last Shark, which is essentially about Jaws five of the Jaws five one.


Is it? No, no. I think that one might be this also, isn't it? Yeah. This one's also called white.


It's just got a hilarious, gigantic shark like Megalodon type shark, and it's killing people. It's Jaws, but it's a funny Italian horror film that's worth seeking out. McMorrow, I think McMorrow might be. I know he's dead now, but he might have. He was in like Twilight. He died in the toilet and died on the bloody set thing.


Didn't that terrible.


So so you know, this is one of his movies where, you know, it's worth, worth watching. If you want to get entertaining, laugh your ass off.


So yes. Yeah. Jaws is actually coming out and Blu ray finally, isn't it. Oh yes. To do that. Yeah. Yeah, finally. Yeah. Because it kept getting shot down because it does actually have footage from Spillville, Spielberg's jaws in there doesn't it. Yeah. They, they pull all the footage was the Australians that filmed all the stuff with the sharks. Yeah. That's why the Italians just went over and said we'll take all the off cuts from that.


Thank you very much. No, no, no, don't shark. Yeah, no, they everyone noticed the and so that was the end of it. But that's actually going to release now. So I'm kind of looking forward to that. Nice.


I while I'll be on the lookout because I'm back to buying all the physical media again.


So we have to we have to we have to have this stuff with all this, you know, I mean, you said no censorship on bloody streaming platforms like Disney. Plus cutting out Daryl Hannah is but from Splash and all this stuff. Why do you know?


I did not know about that now. I didn't know about that. Oh, yes. Splash on the Disney. Plus when she walks up to Tom Hanks and kisses and runs into the sea. Yeah, I used to say I used to see a rear end like airflows up and she runs into the sea and you saw a boat and she jumped into the sea and that was it. But now they've put digital hair over it. Oh my God.


It's like you can't show. But but you can. But you can. You know, I don't know. I just doesn't make sense to me. Just leave it alone, you know, and then.


Yeah. And that's why. Yeah. That's why we have physical media is is making and hold onto it.


Treasure it, keep it. It's, it's, I think it's the way of the future already. Do I think the streaming service is just going to read themselves with mediocre content and. Oh yeah. People are going to turn around and go back to physical media. You know, you kind of in an age of like you don't own anything anymore, you know? And I think we're going to go back to we want things again, especially after everything was going on in the world.


Now we've that elements been taken away with shops have gone and stores are closed and everything else. I think people are going to want to go out and buy these things again. Well, speaking of going and maybe buying something again, because I think you mentioned it earlier, not just that I have my moments, what's your number one?


And I know what it is already, but I know what it is. Please reveal to everyone. What's your number one pick is my number one surprise.


Surprise is nineteen five. Lamberto Obama directed. Dario Argento produced and. The preview you are about to watch is for a movie that is unlike any you have ever seen before, it is for a movie that goes beyond temporary fear to everlasting terror. It is a movie called Demon. Yes, the demons are coming and they're coming for you. Warning people have the courage to see demons set near. A theater who will survive the touch of the demons. With Music by Billy Idol, Motley Crue, The Adventures of Rick Springfield and S.


No Military. They will make cemeteries there cathedrals and the cities will be your. And why do you think you know why? That's why I'm interested. I have a feeling it has to do with one possibly the mask that is in the movie on it. But I don't know.


You tell me tell me one of the reasons, like all the obvious things we spoke about before, soundtrack, just everything about it. I mean, he's so over the top of the soundtrack, the way it looks, the cinematography, all those things, I was just completely attracted to it. The thing that really scares me about this film is when they turn into demons, they their eyes, they just lose that. They just become glowing eyes. Dunlavey.


And I think taking that away from something. Yeah, I think taking that away from something completely dehumanises everything about it. And I've got a kind of a funny thing about that. I mean, if you look at the night waves video, I use that same thing. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah, they've got the glow, the sea sirens, they've got the glowing eyes and actually going to have sex with them. I've got power actually lives out in L.A. named Al Magliocchetti and he did the effects for everything spookies to remember.


Spookies. Yes. Yes he did. The effects on spooks did too. He did you see brain damage when he made the puppet, remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is a really nice guy, is a really good guy and I'm buddies with him. And when I was talking last night because Nightwish was originally was going to be a film and it was a script and the guy, the producer was just like I just one was boys, like producers, you know what I'm talking about?


And he was like, this thing's going to cost too much money, these glowing eyes. It's got to be s.j everything ciggy. It doesn't have to be CJP practically. There's no way. It's absolutely impossible. And it's just like it's not impossible. So when it didn't become a film, I just went back and turned into a book and made a music video. And I spoke to Al and I said, look, how the hell did they make these eyes in demons?


How did they do this? And they use the same technique for the Bonnie Tyler music video. Yeah, yeah. And he goes, oh, I know how you do that. You just need to get some of the phosphorescent material. You get on that jacket when you ride your bike, you know, I mean, the material that glows work when, where and things. Yep, yep, yep, yep. You get some of that, you cut it out to the shapes of eyes.


You stick it on the eyelids, tell them to close their eyes and absorb the camera. You just get like a white light and shine the white light. And then on the camera they go, oh, that's so cool. They say it's so easy, it was so easy. And this this this whole technique was the reason why this project is not wise as a film didn't happen because of this thing about the glowing eyes. And it's like, this is so simple.


We can just do it like this, like this is how it works. But that dehumanizing, if something got taken away, I mean, they say the eyes of the windows of the soul and strip. Right. Because you take that away and he feels I mean, look at the Terminator. He walks from the sunglasses on this list. Yeah. Yeah, it's totally true. I have I've met a few agents in the past. They've turned off the sunglasses.


I think it will go take them off, take them off, take them off or indoors. Then if not, you don't need sunglasses on.


Take off the sunglasses while you know Richard Pryor. There's a quote from Richard Pryor. He's like, if you wear your sunglasses inside or at night, you're an asshole.


It's only true. I can I can I can completely attest that I want to have met. He does.


That is also I do what you to think about the eyes in demons. Obviously there's a lot of Gore, there's a lot of like shock moments. But yeah, the iconic it's the cover of the poster, the cover of the video tape where they're coming up the stairs.


Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's such a great shot in it. Yeah I agree dude. Like it is one of my favorite moments in that movie, you know. Yeah. The film is bonkers with with just the old woman probably.


Yeah. It's so great. It's so much fun. It's so much fun.


It's so funny to me like that. It works on so many levels that show because I mean if you I mean I've been thinking about this for years, but the moment it feels like I'm on but I feel like I say does like TV stuff and it kind of feels like that up until the horror starts. And there's the scene where the go for the prostitute puts the mask on, she gets the scratch on her face and then she goes to the bathroom.


And literally, if you look at that film and deconstruct in terms of cinematography in color, when she walks in there, it's yellow and yellow is Jalo, that is Mignonette. That's what they call it was colorful. And that film like it feels like a TV film. And as soon as the horror starts in the Yellow Room and the girl gets scratched, runs outside the color palette, that film changes to blue and red. The old gentleman colors.


That's when the horror starts, if you look at it. Yeah. If you really look at it and there's some very clever moments with the editing, do you remember that there was like that old redhead girl who's like she feels like she's. All of it somehow, but it's never really revealed she. Cinema. Yeah, the the if you look at the moment, there's a nice long shot like they have a dolly along four characters sitting watching the film in the cinema, and she's behind with the torch.


And like we said before, about that line between fantasy becoming reality and that's what Demons is all about, just like stage fright. But this is what I think Demons succeeds that bit more because this is very sophisticated in what it does, but it's so sophisticated in what it does. You might not necessarily see it because that scene there, which is walking along the torch, she's shining around and actually shines it up towards the screen. You get this really subtle cut to the film they're watching and hard life turns into the light of the motorbikes on screen.


And so this slow kind of transition of like these two worlds emerging slowly. Yeah, yeah. There's things that are happening here. And the lights of the headlights on the screen of the film they're watching match the opening shot of the film of demons when they saw the train coming along. And there's all these kind of think everything synchronises. You come to this point of what's on the screen turns into reality and that that it does feel like a more sophisticated version of what happens in stage fright.


So you get this kind of subtext of this thing going on and not this gonzo over the top horror film with gore and music. And the dialogue is and this is a funny thing, like you said about the Italians, they they write this like on the nose American dialogue and, you know, the Dallas Cowboys. And they were big hair in Dallas. And in this, they kind of get it right when they do the film within a film, because the film is quite cheesy.


And one of my favorite lines in it is when they go, oh yeah, this is the prophecy from Nostradamus. And the girl turns around because Nostradamus sounds like a rap group to me. You really got you understood it was a cheesy horror film when you got it in something which could be a cheesy horror film. And then there's a definite distinction between the two. I feel like they totally capture. Yeah, they totally capture the vibe of that time and they got it right.


They got it right, clearly. I mean, it makes sense why it would be your number one. I might even consider bumping it up further down the road as well after after REWASH, because it's been a couple of years since I actually watched it all the way through. And I will be maybe I'll bump it up to the top once I get the proper version.


Right. I hope I said that same. I have a few.


Yeah. Yeah.


You know, the audio. But just a I'm supposed to press the audio button. It's like audio to English.


There is I got to do because I think what I have is I think I have the Anchor Bay DVD with it was Demons one and two.


Yeah. And that's not the right one.


But dude, yeah.


I mean, like I feel like I can just listen to you all day, talk about your love, that it sells it and you're so good at selling it sincerely.


Like I think I'll just drop my number one.


Really I need to know because I'm really I'm very curious about this. So my number, my number one is very popular and people will be like, oh yeah, that makes sense. Why is your number one? But but there's a little backstory on it. I owned the graphic novel that came out after the fact. I own the vinyl soundtrack to it. This movie kind of changed my life in many ways when I was dabbling in the screenwriting and filmmaking aspect of my life where I wanted to.


I just love this alternate world in this alternate universe that, you know, obviously Demon's shares this idea that you step into the unknown and what is the unknown and the unknown is the 1981 film The Beyond.


Oh, again, the applause. You are allies, aren't you? Yes, my name is Emily. I've been looking for. Leave this place. Sixty years ago, everybody in this hotel disappeared. Every last person, a painter called Spy who lived here, closeted in his room, had found a key. Tell with all those accidents, you think you'll get it now? I couldn't do that if I wanted to, but I won't give in. Who else is here?


There's nobody here, I can see the present, somebody else is in here. Oh, some weird story that Emily told me about room 36, Emily. Who's normally the blind girl that lives in the old house by the crossroads? Go away. Go back to the old house by the crossroads. My house has been found 50. I was there, this house was constructed on one, and this will be under him who opens one of the seven gateways to hell, because through that gateway, even beyond the.


Now, you know what, I've never really thought about the film that way, as you've just described it, but it completely is that a completely is that if you spun a whole new emphasis on what that is, in a way, you end in thinking of the ending. Definitely. That's that's that's that. Yeah. That was very eloquently put on that one. Definitely. Thank you.


Thank you. Well, I have that I have that coffee table book about. It's like the films of Orgy of Orgy and Cover is the the last shot of the movie.


And again, with the eyes going white and and it's got it's surreal. It's dreamlike throughout. It's for me that was this is the movie I put on as a background for like a Halloween party with with with killer soundtrack going on where people go, what the hell is this?


What are we watching from the weird tarantula tongue eating scene in the library?


Yeah. And the dingy, dirty dungeon basement of this old hotel.


And it involves, you know, if that was if you had that hotel and you walk downstairs and that was your basement, you just walk back out again. Hell no.


I may as the quote corian that loot. I'd be tapping out dude like I wouldn't want to.


Yeah. And and this film also, I feel like it is very Lovecraftian in a way, with its gothic setting of New Orleans and and just the bodies rising and the narrator and just everything. The symbol of Ivon I think Ivan Press is a is a is a comic book company and they put out a graphic novel with the soundtrack on CD and it only happens and and it's really cool.


I feel like this film plays really well as a as a as a book or a comic book. And almost in many ways it's better because you have your own voice versus, you know, kind of the bad dubbing that goes on throughout this movie of Italian films that we all know and love.


But the dubbing is is sometimes can take away from sometimes quite often does take away from the story because you're just like, oh, so bad.


But but it doesn't in this case. And it didn't. And demons and I don't think it does in any of our top lives overall.


But yeah, that's my number, that's my number one I think is an amazing film that that again, like we were saying before, that was actually a band title here in the U.K. with the other ones. And then we did when we did get it, we got there's another name for this, isn't there? Is he like the Seven Dwarves of Death or something? Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. We got the the edited American version, OK, with even more cuts, they cut more out of this thing because this is a I have a magazine.


I think it's like a film review or something like an old eighties English film, obviously film review magazine. And they I found the actual page where they reviewed the beyond when it was released. And they're telling you about the film and they go, yeah, there was a back story about there was a warlock who was tortured in New Orleans in the eighteen hundreds. But that's not in this version because it was the whole thing's gone and they're doing this review talking about film.


You know, we're filming in the plot point you're not going to see on the screen because they're all gone. They've all been cut out. And it got a terrible review because you're basically watching something this butchered. That's not the film. You know, it's like an extended trailer of something that exists somewhere else. But that yeah, that film is I think Nuccio Falchi does a very good job and it's like returning the living dead, then abandoned. When you see the scene where they check the body into the fire and you see the smoke go up and around out into the sky and going into pipes and blowing, that becomes a character in that film that's totally recognize.


When you see that I get the chemical zombie is going to come becomes a character. I think Lutcher does that in the scene in this is the acid that falls on the face of the. Yeah. And you see that creep in like bloody Mukasey, acidy. And that becomes like a creeping it's like a cosmic horror thing, is that this is where the Lovecraftian kind of cosmic hurricane is creeping massive death coming towards this young girl. And a Lutcher does that very well in this film.


I think the characteristics that normally I don't know, the director wouldn't. Yeah, I think he I mean, for me, it's his it's his piece de resistance, like whatever, you know, but and it's got those iconic moments that you see plastered all over. Horror novels where the girls brave the after I know exactly what you're talking about, yeah, have a young girl with the pigtails and that gets her head just it's crazy.


But yeah, man, this is for me, this was like the I've seen countless midnight screenings of this in L.A. and Tarantino released Rolling Thunder pictures back in the late 90s.


He did? Yeah, he did a version of it actually. Him and Sage Stallone, right? Yes. Sage Stallone is actually the reason this film got unearthed. It pretty much had died at that point. No one had found the proper print or the cleaned up version, the uncut version Sage Stallone did. And with Tarantino, I forget the name of it might have been Grindhouse pictures or grand.


It was rolling rolling thunder pictures, wasn't it? That was the kind of sub that was Tarantino is releasing company. Yeah. Things out with.


Yeah, I think Sage actually I'm probably wrong on this but there is a piece of it that's true. Sage either owned the original work print or knew someone that did. That's how he was able to get it on earth. But it's because of Sylvester Stallone son. So when he passed away, I actually wrote a whole thing about how important he was to the horror community because he was such a huge proponent of finding these movies that would have gotten forgotten.


So, yeah.


So now he was he loved it, didn't he? Yeah, he was a big champion for Italian horror. So, yeah, I think that's what so many bases with this talking about these films is. It's like our history of Italian horror, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


I mean the watch list, the watch list is supposed to be pretty comprehensive. I think it is. You know, I've had a wonderful time with you, dude. This has really been great.


And as we say, as we start to wrap up, I just want to say, like, where can we find you in the universe?


You can find me in the universe on Facebook as David Ion's on Twitter, as David Onse. Seventy nine on Instagram, as David Enns writer. And if you just go to Amazon type in David Enns movement, Dave does not waste everyone's Polybius. You can find my books. They're all on there. And if you go Amazon Prime, you can have them the next day. So they're all there.


Well, that's I'll be I know what I'm going to be ordering once we get off the phone.


So Polybius sounds they all sound great, but wait for the second edition of Polybius because the first edition, this isn't anything to do with me, but the first edition has become a collector's item. And to buy a copy of that novel now is one hundred and three pounds.


Well, cheers to that, my friend. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I know it's a good thing, but people everyone says I need to read it. Not yet. Just, just, just wait for the second edition of it because I went oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely yeah. 100 percent.


Yeah. And really quick as if you can find me on Instagram. Obviously a podcasting after dark and and my other podcast, two late fee and two dollars late fee dotcom and that's where you can find me. But David Irons, it's been a pleasure to have you on as a as a as a new friend as I feel like now. A future lifelong friend. Yeah, definitely an equal fan of cinema. This has been not only a fun trip down memory lane, but also a history lesson as well.


And just thank you for sharing everything that you have and giving up your time.


And I know you're a busy guy, so it's been an honor to have you on the show. And I'm looking forward to having you back on for a future watch list. I'm already thinking of some topics or like, come on, let's do this or that.


Yeah, no, I really this is it's been great. Like I said, I've been looking forward to chatting with you. Just you make those connections in life and there's moments when you see someone or, you know, you kind of chat and it's like, oh yeah, my God, I know I'm going to get on well with like, oh, this guy seems like a good guy. And I have that feeling about this. And yeah, it's been absolutely loved.


It is my pleasure to come back. A pleasure. Thank you.


And yeah. And just a little bit of advice for anyone. If you feel like you make a connection with somebody you think someone's cool, tell them because you never know what might come out of that.


Exactly. So until then, as I always say, we'll catch you on the dark side. Thank you for listening to podcasting after dogs watch list. And as always, thank you for your support.