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Cartoons, sitcoms, cop shows and much more sit back and enjoy some nostalgic fun with TV Obscura. What's up, everybody? Welcome to another exciting episode of Podcasting after Dark Presents TV Obscura. It is our side show where that sounds weird. It's a it's a sub show on podcast after dark where we talk about obscure TV shows from our nostalgic past, usually very cultish kind of stuff and everything. And as always, so far it seems we are joined with our pal Dialo.


What's up, buddy?


Hey, guys, what's up? How are you guys doing? We had to have you back, my man. We had to have you back. As we said last episode, it feels like this show was created just for you literally every week.


And as always, I have my beautiful co-host, Zack the snack, a.k.a. Tiny T. What's up, buddy?


Oh, I'm feeling so good to dig deep into are this kind of genre aske episode where we're covering the ground of.


Well, I'm just going to let you cover that, but I'm feeling really superheroic right now. You know what I'm saying? There you go.


That's kind of a little bit like Lezak hinted. This episode has a little bit of a theme, and that is superheroes and pseudo superheroes. Diallo is going to take us back to the 70s with Shazam. Zach is Zach is going to get wild in the mid 80s with Manimal.


And and I'm going to take us down a wild, wild who's who with misfits of science.


So I guess my mind's more of a who. Oh. Oh, yeah, that's who.


That's the thing that I remember Manimal. Like, I never watched it, but I do remember it.


And look, I we've got lots to talk about with three because there's layers. Each one is one.


You know, obviously you picked I think Dialo was the first one.


I think, cor, you know, the idea is I kind of went I picked mine to go sort of with his. And then you're the divergent. Yeah.


I kept I kept tagging along and I'm like, should I take this one? I should have picked that one now.


And I don't want to reveal what they are because they'll come about eventually in our show. But I, I centered on Manimal because I'm like, you know what? I love this show is as bad as it is and it is bad, it's really bad, but well, I mean, I have so much to say later. Yeah. So why so?


So, you know, you guys should by now know how this works. We we each kind of take a turn at it. We will give some stats on it and then it'll just be a free form discussion. It won't be like any of the other episodes of podcasts after dark. We're not going to break anything down. This is mostly going to be a discussion, our thoughts and our feelings, because honestly, we also don't have enough time to watch every single episode in the series before we we come to the table here.


So we all kind of brush up on our own little niches and like on our picks.


And then we bring it to the table and we all have fun and talk. But we've all seen an episode from each other show. So we all know what we're what the other person is talking about. That was much more complicated than it probably needed to be.


I think you guys are all going to get the point here. If you if this is your first episode that you jump in and if it is, make sure you go back and check out the first two. We had some some gems in there, some underrated gems. So, Zach, you already kind of were giving us some love for Manimal. You want to take us down that road? I will.


I will. I just want to add one little caveat to this discussion or what you just brought up, that if you go online, you go on YouTube. There's a bunch of people that have done shows specific on these shows specific and this.


But this is our take. This is our spin. This is our genesis. You know what I'm saying?


Because I don't I kind of I so. Yeah.


Manimal Manam. I'll jump right into it. Manimal.


Wow. It's fine. OK, so I remember you came out in 83.


I remember the that the teasers for it on NBC, it was going to go head to head with Dallas, one of the most popular late night soaps that that not late night but evening soaps that you could that were around at the time, probably the most popular primetime soap.


Thank you. Thank you, darling.


Primetime soaps, probably the most popular primetime soap of all time. And NBC came up with this concept. Well, not NBC didn't come up with a concept. The producer and his name is, well, the creator. Really, Glen Larson. Glen Larson is a pretty infamous producer.


I know Dialo probably knows one specific show he's known for. Do you know what that show is?


Battlestar Galactica? Yeah. I mean, say no more. Battlestar Galactica, the guy. Yeah, there's more. I'll let you go.


Yeah, go ahead. Please. Please feel free. I think he did. Buck Rogers to Buck Rogers. He did Buck Rogers. He did everything he did the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew mysteries. He did B.J. and the Bear. Yeah. Magnum P.I., the Knight Rider, the fall guy. Not the Knight Rider. Knight Rider. Sorry, you know. Oh, Quincy Jones. Like, OK.


Yeah, that that was a popular show too. So he comes along with Manimal, this concept concept.


This concept. So the OAP, the first episode was a 90 minute pilot. And so it's technically it only lasted for seven full episodes. They always open with the same narration that they kind of went down in the pilot. It's it's this character's name is Dr. Jonathan Chase. He's a wealthy, young, handsome man, a man with the brightest of futures, a man with the darkest of pasts from Africa's deepest recesses to the rarefied peaks of Tibet. Heir to his father's legacy in the world's darkest mysteries.


Jonathan Chase, master of the secrets that divide man from animal, animal from man manimal. So that tells you nothing about what the show is about.


No, it's basically about this guy as a kid. He's with his dad in Africa and they discover some sort of serum or potion that allows you to shape shift to go from man to animal, animal to man manimal.


And he later becomes a police officer with a New York. NYPD, and it's like a special division, I love how he has a British accent and he is NYPD. Yes, and I'll get to that, too. Yes, sir.


He's a full on Brit and he's got his own, like, little mini division where he goes off and has these adventures on every episode and only lasted eight episodes. And the one specific that we watched was called Night of the Scorpion. And you can find it on Dailymotion, thanks to Giallo for pointing that out to us. Apparently there's a box set from Shout Factory. I didn't do enough digging to see if it's still available. If it is, I'm going to get it because I kind of love this show.


It's definitely a guilty pleasure. But, you know, in that specific episode, it dealt with very like very typical primetime drama tropes. You know, like the guy dies, his daughter leaves a note for his daughter about some money and a list. And there's bad guys out to get the list, but not the money. The two, they don't care about the fact that apparently there's like two million dollars somewhere. They just want this specific list.


And the list ends up kind of timely. It's about Russian operatives in our government and the names of those guys.


So I'm sure Ted Cruz and no, never mind, you can cut that if you want or not.


OK, but no, it's it's very timely, I think, in a way.


But, you know, the the bad guys are out to get this girl and it's up to our main character and his to. His two partners to rescue her along the way and the main character in Manimal is.


Played by and I love this name. Simon McCorkindale, yeah, and I knew Simon McCourt, apparently Simon McCorkindale had a shelf life after this on Falcon Crest. That was kind of his big show, but I knew him originally from Jaws three meathead.


Yeah, I loved literally in Jaws three and three D How bad ass is a character where they are half eaten inside of a fucking shark and they can still pull the pin to a grenade to blow jaws, allegedly jaws.


It wasn't right. It was his offspring or something like that. Yes, that that I was that's why I always know him from is Jaws 3-D total badass.


Total badass.


His co-stars in this were Melodie Anderson, who I, of course, and Dialo, of course, knows from Flash Gordon, Dale Arden and Franco and then the original in the original pilot episode.


His other partner, the character's name is Glynn Turman. He's played by Tye Earl Tyrell, you might say. Who's that guy? If you watch the newest season of Fargo, which is phenomenal on ethics, it's the one with Chris Rock starring in it. He is one of the co-stars. So good.


But we we also know and love him from John dies at the end as the police detective.


Again, another awesome role. Yeah. And it's too bad that he's only in the first episode, but his character gets taken over. By Michael Roberts and I knew Michael Roberts from Space Pirates, Ice Pirates, our sorry Ice Pirate, not space pirates, the terrible Toby Hooper movie.


Yes, but or is it was it Toby Hooper?


Yeah, it was. It was. So we got Stuart Gordon. Yeah, yeah. Toby Hooper. Yeah, yeah.


With Anyway's this year, the show lasted eight episodes. It's got a huge cult following. Apparently a toy line came out in the UK and I saw some images online. They're like half animal. They didn't just make just the animals or just the figures, but they made him mid transformation, which was cool because on the show they show him kind of transforming. And Stan Winston did those special effects.


So I was going to save it for TV.


They were you know, they're not great, but for TV they were actually pretty decent for 1983 on the heels of American Werewolf in London and the howling, they were not bad. Yeah. As far as and humans turning into animals go, it's it's a schlocky show.


It's like TJ Hooker with a with a twist, you know.


So did you watch this on TV when it came out originally.


So yeah. So going back, I saw the promos, the promos for this show were were hilarious because it was a guy who look like J.R. Ewing in a in a pool calling his agent or whatever, saying how popular his show is going to be. And a shark fin goes in the water and they're chasing him in the pool and you're like, get ready for Manimal or something like that.


As cheesy as it was, I want to see that. So cool. I don't know. I was like, what? I was seven at the time. Yeah. So that being said, I yes, I watched all eight episodes. I was bummed because the air, the air, the pilot, and then they aired another episode and then they waited a couple of months, aired it again, waited a couple of months. And this was a time when, you know, our generation knows about I didn't even have a VCR back then.


So we either watched it or you didn't. Yeah. Yeah. It was a mess.


It was a Friday night show, too. Wasn't I mean, Friday nights like eight o'clock. Yeah, it was.


I remember. So, you know, I'm a little older than you. So I do remember when it came out and I remember it being hard to find, like I wanted to watch it, but it just kind of came on.


Like you said, it came out a couple of months later and then like Friday night, even though I was, like, too young to actually be going out and, like, doing stuff, I still was, like, young enough to stay home. Yeah, yeah.


But it was just like, oh, the show's on again and I'd watch it and then kind of forget about it. So yeah.


And there's lots to forget about.


I mean it's a I'll let you guys dig deeper, but I will just finish up by saying, you know, it's hokey and cheese ball as this show is. It has a charm to it that you just don't see anymore. And I wish we still had that. I wish we had it back because there's it's I think actually watching it now with a comedic lens makes it more entertaining. I think back then when we were supposed to take it seriously, we're like is going to cheese ball.


The reason why they used the same transformation stock footage all the time because of budget reasons, right? Yeah. You know, but I showed it to boatie and I should all three tiboni and so I'll do a body scale on one to five, one being terrible, five being fantastic. He gave this one to go OK, he's OK because he was like, he's like it's really slow and there's not a lot of action. I go, yeah, I was a lot of talking going on.


Yeah. So he gave it from a six year old's perspective. He gave it to OK, I gave it a five because I, I'm yes of course.


But I gave all three or five know what is what is your guy's experience with his.


Diallo Diallo. You said you had many thoughts on Manimal. Yeah.


I mean I so I remember the show when it was on and like I said, it was hard to find.


It was a show that I really wanted to watch because, you know, it was like right up my alley and like for a little bit of perspective, like, remember back then, like, it was really hard to find a genre like programs.


There was like maybe one or two that was on the entire slate of TV. So when you had something like that pop up, you're like you want to consume it.


But I do like I, I remember even then, like, I wasn't super critical like I am now, you know.


Yeah, exactly.


But but I do remember even then. By kind of making comments with friends at recess or something the next day, how like he only turns into like the the what? The Panther and then the eagle or whatever the heck. And then maybe sometimes he would turn into one other animal and then that was it.


And then the rest of the show was and it was really apparent as I watched it again, how like most of the show wasn't that. And I think that's one of the biggest problems.


And you can't see I'm I'm doing air quotes when I say problems because it's like I totally understand all of that. Like when I was watching it, I was like, yeah, this is nineteen eighty three. I like to do that. That affects to have him changing, which was why we showed up. I remember like taking my hand and trying to make it into the Panther Claw.


I understood, I understand how difficult that was to do and how much it would cost.


But watching it again I understood that the framework around that stuff that we came to see wasn't very good.


Like. Yeah, and especially for an hour long shot.


Yeah. Because it was it was an hour long. Yeah. If it was a half hour like for example, werewolf on Fox. Yeah. You know that was a half hour show. Right.


And which, which was perfect. Perfect. Because you, you only had one transformation scene, this one the transformation scene was like maybe a minute at the most. And so you're covering another 59 minutes of animal, no animal action.


And some in the Kirkendall dailies, he's he's a good looking dude. Rest in peace, by the way. He died in 2014 from cancer, which is such a bummer. And we're going to be doing a lot of those tonight, I think. Unfortunately, I know. Especially with mine. Yeah.


Yeah, but but yeah, I totally feel you on that dude like he like that show. They just they should have been a 30 minute show.


Yeah. I actually think that that would have been probably the biggest saving grace for Manimal is if they actually changed it to a 30 minute procedural versus an hour long. And I think, like you said, you know, having just one transformation scene, kind of like Shazam, like it would have just been very cookie cutter, like this episode. You follow these things, these steps, and that's fine. Like sometimes like that's not bad, you know.


And yeah. And for me, with the night of the Scorpion, I enjoyed seeing people in it. I was like, oh, the guy from Ice Pirates. Oh, Poppy from Seinfeld is in it as the the detective or the I guess the head of their team or something.


Renny Santoni, Renney Santoni, who I love and I know Dialla does too. From Cobra. Yeah, he's he's Cobra. He's a partner in that. He's he's great. He's and it's so typical. Like he's it's such a stereotype now or hell of a of a cop.


Hey, guys. Yeah, great.


And then in that episode, Lloyd Bochner whose heart Buckners son or father rather heart Bochner Ellis' from Die Hard. Yeah, he was the main villain in that way.


Was he the Russian villain or was the CIA guy the the good guy that kind of turns he's the Russian villain like that.


When the elephant pushes the main characters at the end, I get in a part of a building that's not connected to the building. So an elephant pushes that part of the building into the water and everybody laughs and smiles. Yeah, he's supposed to be Russian, but yet he speaks with, like, a South American accent.


Well, yeah. Yeah, but he's great, though.


He's he's very evil. Yeah. No, then that's hard. Buckners Dad. Apparently not a not a good guy guy.


OK, yeah but yeah.


So one thing that I, I enjoyed it, you know I thought it was fun but at the same time I was like I couldn't see this going on for too long, you know, I feel like it had to would had to have been retooled in some way, shape or form just to increase the action. Now, honestly, one of the things that I thought that they could have done more of which instead of doing full transformations I gleaned from this one episode, that he could still do things like an animal or he could like he could hear better because he has this, like, animal stuff in him or I just say just make him jump far, like do things like you can actually physically do keep the actor there and then maybe only once per episode at the end, turn into some sort of animal and then fully go fully, you know.


But I kind of wanted to see him just tap into little things here and their little abilities here and there and then use that to his advantage at the time.


Well, apparently, that's what they started to do towards the end of the of those seven episodes, which if you think about nowadays, it's like that's still short by today's standards, you know, give me twelve. But apparently they tried to resurrect this character when The Nightman Show. Came out in the late 90s, it was a syndicated show based on a Malibu comics character that later got bought by DC or Marvel, I think a modern marvel owns Malibu.


Yeah, and the premise was really silly, like a saxophonist who who can hear people's thoughts, but yet he can't sleep anymore and he has a big fucking red eye. I couldn't get a big red eye, but that's all I know is, though, just watch the opening.


That's all you need to know, because there's a long, slow mo shot of him playing saxophone.


And it's like when they make this. But but apparently.


There's one episode in the second season called called Manimal. It's called, yeah, it's called Mad and they've kind of retooled the character.


Same actor Simon McCorkindale.


I actually think I actually remember I remember this like existing you're talking about OK.


Yeah. I mean, we all watched those syndicated shows back in the day. I never watched nightmare mode.


For the record, I didn't either. I couldn't get past that fucking idol. He doesn't look like Bible man. For some reason.


He didn't look like my old man. Honestly, you know what Bible man looked better than Nightman Bible man was actually kind of entertaining in a weird way, but.


But no, but apparently, Simon McCorkindale, he brought he came back as Manimal, but he was a time traveling shapeshifter. Oh, cool. And he was hunting Jack the Ripper. And this was supposed to be. This was supposed to be a. Way to introduce his daughter, who is also of the same abilities to have a spinoff show with with a female man on the animal and fashionable.


Yeah. Anyways, that's why I never saw the episode. But that's I just saw clips of it online. Thank you.


All I know is all I know is you got to applaud something so absurd, so silly that over what over what, 15 years later they were able to bring it back for just one more, go like one, give it more and more go. You know, it's like a wrestling gimmick that just doesn't work. Right.


There was there was a master, the shock method or, you know, tugboat. Right. Tugboat who is the alternate to earthquake, you know.


What do you mean? Tugboat didn't work. That was a great gimmick. What are you talking about? I love I look, I'm not saying I didn't like I was like, man, that was sarcasm.


I'm I'm being serious, but no, you know, like taking desert. Yeah.


Hockey, you know, he gets hit over the head and suddenly he's adopted by now.


But but they get gets one more go like one more run as that character. And I think if it had a little more of a following and might he might have, you know, gained in popularity, but it fizzled out. And hey, the actor the actor side of McCorkindale had a happy life outside of Manimal, so I'm cool with that. Yeah.


Corey, what you said, what you said actually I think would been it would have been a big fix for this show because, again, like he the the actor himself, he's so stately and so, like, he wasn't a very dynamic person. So even the scenes that he was in it, it was almost like boring.


And and I'm actually like I actually like the show. Like when you said you're going to do it, I was like, oh, yeah, I love Manimal, you know?


But but I also was was watching it was remembering why even then, I never really, like, stuck.


I was like, I like the gimmick of it, but it was almost like he wanted to be James Bond. But yeah. But it didn't fit.


Is him being a New York cop to me. Like New York, like like like every old. There's for some reason all the ingredients are there for a good show, but they didn't make it into something that that will work like make him an international spy because he already has like YOLO. You just said he has that sort of stately vibe to him, maybe turning him into a James Bond type of character, keep the powers and all this kind of stuff.


There's there's so many ways you could retool this with the exact same actors and everything, and it would have been better than the premise that they gave us.


Yeah, I think if they made a vigilante, that would have that would have worked, you know, took a playbook from the show you chose where he was tested on by government, by the US government or something. Maybe he was captured and used as a pawn for many years and now he's hunting down the people that wronged him or who are his family? Who knows? You know, but yeah, like I think both of you guys are are hitting on the fact that you could easily retool this and make it really good.


And that's my question was, was Animorphs this did the did this lead to Animorphs?


And I think we were all too old for Animorphs. I think that was like a Y.A. thing in the nineties. I think all of us were a bit too old for that, but I'm familiar with it. Yeah, there's something about him. I wonder if that's what that is. But yeah, there's something here. And I mean, honestly, like the name is catchy enough. You could easily reboot this now and like do it however you want.


You can make it like more mature, more adult. I mean, the CGI would be fine. There's it's such a it's a really neat concept that I think just don't make them a frickin British cop in America, you know. And then of course, the episode we're watching, it takes place in like South America. Yeah. I'm just like, this is my brain in the Bahamas. Yeah. My brain just can't fucking piece this together. You know, I got Poppy in this from Seinfeld.


I'm like the brains and what is happening. But at the same time, I did think it was fun. And I also thought the concept was just awesome. The concept was fantastic. And I just I really think they had something special with the concept there. And even like like the back story, like how they explained how it works, like that was fine to me. Like all of that. Everything was fine to me. It was just the episode, like the final it was the final product that I'm watching.


I'm like, oh, it doesn't quite live up to what my head thought it was going to be, you know, but at the same time, didn't hate it, didn't hate me like I didn't hate my my forty four minutes with it, you know, I was like cool. I'm glad I know it now you know. I'm glad I know that guy outside of Jaws 3-D.


You know, I hated I hated that Dailymotion has commercials and commercials every day for ten minutes man.


So in my mind apparently Will Ferrell was going to the guy, the creator. I think in maybe 2017 or around the run that same time that McCorkindale passed away, I think 2014 or 2015, but they were going Will Ferrell and his writing partner, Adam McKay, actually have the rights to the show. And we're going to make a movie out of it, which I think if you think about it, it's kind of perfect, you know, doing a comedy where he turns into animals or whatnot.


Well, you could be like master of disguise with Dana Carvey. You know how I feel about that.


I don't like it when they make comedies out of, like, stuff that was in a comedy.


Yeah, except Starsky and Hutch that worked for me. But Starsky and Hutch was great. But everything else I don't like, I still carry like when you brought up Will Ferrell is still mad about Land of the Lost. I'm still like, oh yeah.


That, that was it. Yeah I know, I know that you I love that show back in the day and I know you did too. So yeah. I never, I never saw, I never saw the movie because I thought it looked like shit. And in to that point I'm going to amend what I said before. And when I said that, you know, you can turn Manimal into like something mesure and everything, anything but a comedy.


I don't want to see Manimal as a comedy because they tried that. It's called The Animal with Rob Shinar.


And it's so, so good point point point.


But yes, you know, I'm saying there's one scene in there when he was like driving like a tiger or something. I forget it's ridiculously stupid. Yeah. And I don't think you do. When were you dressed up as a girl to like you did one like that as well?


Deuce Bigalow Male Gigolo is the only Rob Schneider movie that I care about.


OK, yeah. I mean. Oh fuck. Yeah. Hey, everybody, Corey here. I just want to let you know that we'll be right back after these short messages. I'd come and join me as your host Deadly Debbie, as we go through my creepy files and listen to real life, strange but true stories from people on. World explore the weird and wonderful in my weekly podcast with Deadly Debi's Creepy.


And now back to the show, I was saying earlier that this show, you know, if they took on a different angle, a darker angle, like he was a misfit, if you will, do you want to talk about your show, the kind of pick the ball up and ran with it in a good way?


A good Segway. Good Segway, buddy. Yeah. So I am going to be talking about misfits of science. It was, I believe, 16 episodes. And that includes a 90 minute pilot, pretty much like a made for TV movie. I love that. By the way. I miss those days of those made for TV movies that turn into a TV show. It was just it felt like you had to be there to watch it. It was so exciting back in the day.


Now you can now you can just watch things any time you want. There's just no like must see kind of TV.


But it was produced by James Desperate Patriots who also produced Forever Night.


If you guys want to talk about 90s syndicated show.


I like that show. I like that it was on for like five years. So you're not the only one that liked every night.


It wasn't as good as Nick Night with Rick Springfield, but there you go.


This was unfortunately never came out in the US on DVD or anything. Came out in 2008 in Germany on DVD and came out 2012 in France on DVD. A few notes before I jump into the cast, because the cast is what we want to, you know, really want to talk about here.


But a few notes, this seems, buddy, this NBC as well as well as Manimal. And this was also felled by Dallas, the same as Manimal was. So both of these shows got destroyed by Dallas on Friday.


Yeah, yeah. It was another one on Friday night as a Friday night show. Yeah.


So I guess back in the day they like to put like the high concept hour dramas on Friday nights.


Yeah. Like Knight Rider. Yeah. Yeah. And they did that. Yeah. That was totally part of their, their, their jam. They always put something offbeat in that, in that time slot. Yeah.


Because they knew the nerds, the nerds weren't going at it pretty much but but at the same time fucking Dallas just keeps knocking them down like all these other people that new shows pop up. Dallas just knocks them right down. So you're going. Yeah, yeah.


This was killed, this was killed by Dallas as well. A couple notable things. Tim Kring wrote for it as well. And he went on to create Rose. Yeah, the TV show Heroes. It was canceled due to low ratings from CBS in Dallas and then the Iceman that they had in the pilot that they kept in the the the storage unit.


The freezer beef. Yeah. Mr. B or whatever his name would be fine either. Yeah. Beef.


They in one of the main things that I remember from the show, they dropped him after the pilot, even though I thought he was really freakin cool, but they dropped him because he was a little too similar to Marvel's Ice Man, like Ice Man from the X-Men.


That's what they cited.


So I think Marvel was kind of getting a little bit mixed with Ice Man, mixed with Cauce for life, because I'm like I'm like, first off, he didn't seem like Ice Man at all.


Maybe just because they called him Ice Man or like he didn't seem like, you know, the women's version of Ice Man, but, you know, back in the day.


So I mean. Before we talk about the pilot and one of the episodes, we got to talk about the cast, so the lead role is Dean Paul Martin plays the lead role. That is the son of Dean Martin. And unfortunately, he died in a plane crash in 1987, coming back from basically active reserve duty, which so he was a military military reservist and he died in 1987 in a plane crash.


It's like, holy shit, which obviously that sucks, you know, obviously. But, you know, re watching it.


I'm like, I really fucking liked him on this show. I liked I liked his energy and I liked his vibe. And I was like, damn, like, talk about being cut down in his prime.


Another one, Kevin Peter Hall plays well, another scientist on the show, a very tall gentleman, about seven foot four people might not recognize him, but he played the Predator in Predator.


And I believe in Predator two as well. You can see him in. You can see him sans predator, predator ghab in Predator as the helicopter pilot at the end when they pick up Duchesne and everything, you can actually see him there, but he plays the predator. And I got to say, you know, knowing that going into watching it because, you know, I'm like I don't remember much about this other than I loved it as a kid.


I was, I guess I should say, surprised because, you know, you think of Mochis playing Predator. He's probably just a big tall stuntman type of guy. I thought he was actually pretty fucking good. Like as an actor, I was like, holy shit. So Peter, Peter, Kevin, Peter, Paul unfortunately passed away as well. Then we have I'll go with another person that passed away. Was Max right. Who was in Alph would I know from the dad is alive and he wasn't in the pilot but he was kind of their liaison for the rest of the show.


And the episode that I watched that wasn't the pilot. That was, you know, the other one of the other episodes.


He was, you know, doing his typical Max Wright stuff.


And honestly. Yeah, yeah. You know, it was goofy Max Wright shit. But honestly, it worked maybe because he just was probably he was only in it for about ten minutes, but it worked.


I kind of liked him so and then I know him from the cover of the National Enquirer, smoking crack, threw a Pepsi can and having sex with a underage male prostitute.


Yeah, he he kind of went dark near the end. Good stuff. Good stuff.


Speaking of the National Enquirer, this this the show was created by the head of the president of NBC. You probably just pitched it type of thing, you know, and someone else developed it, I believe, period probably developed it, but it's credited to the head of NBC for creating it. But he said he said all we got to do is just look to the National Enquirer for stories, basically, you know, Batboy Boy and all this kind of stuff.


And so the premise of the show is that you have these misfits of science, have these scientists that are some of them have special abilities like Kevin. Peter Hall has this ability to shrink. It's very specific. He can shrink to like six inches tall, but only for like fourteen minutes and only once an hour outside. Karslake That's a very specific bit of rules there, you know. Yeah.


So they're led they're led by Dean Paul Martin's character and he's another scientist and they basically have this think tank branch of it seems like it's a it's a private company, but they kind of dealings with the military and they're kind of like a think tank where they're developing all kinds of different serum's, like making bunnies grow big or shrink and stuff like that.


And it really it's so comic book. It is like X-Men meets Fantastic Four, but without any of the license's, like they had to just create them as they go. And then each episode they kind of run into somebody who may or may not have powers.


Funny that I saw episode I saw they helped out this guy who didn't have powers, but Courtney Cox's character kind of used her telekinesis and he thought he had powers, that it kind of made it kind of rescue him type of thing. But Courtney Cox's character has telekinesis.


Kevin Peter I'm sorry, Kevin. Peter Hall, like I said, can shrink.


Unfortunately, we lost the the before Nader, the the Iceman.


But there is one more super cool character on the show. His name is. And he just goes by B, Johnny B. Bukowski. But it's Mark Thomas Miller.


And he's the he's the guy with the electricity. He's the guy with probably the most powers on the show, but like, it kind of saps his powers. I like how everyone sort of has limitations to the powers.


They can't quite, you know, go go too far with it. But he was also on Alien Nation, by the way, the TV show.


But he should have been in more stuff. He's he's so cool. He. Well, he was in ski patrol, by the way. Oh, yeah, I remember him from ski patrol. Yeah. So it's a fun, you know, and I'll say this I'd like to do as a kid, you know, very similar memories as all of you guys have for for animal and whatnot, which is like I remember seeing it.


I remember not seeing it. I remember catching your things here and there. I thought the I was always like, where's the guy that's, you know, frozen? And I was like, well, maybe he's just stuck in the the freezer and they just bring him out when they need him. But I didn't realize he was gone at that point, but I thought it was a very well executed concept, a very fun I thought I thought both the pilot and the episode that I saw, I could see where they were going to go with this.


I thought it was a great setup, a great premise. And on top of it, I thought all the characters were very likable. And I thought the writing was actually pretty damn good. You know, when when I say good and great and I love it, you know, I'm not comparing it to like aliens or something.


I'm comparing it to like I know where this sits. You know, it's it's 1985 and, you know, TV. I know where this sits. The the the special effects are not great. They're probably worse than Manimal. They're not great.


But for some reason, it felt it actually felt fresh even in 2020. And I think it's because of the energy that it brought to the table.


I I'm working this out in my head as I'm saying it.


But I think the reason it feels fresh in twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty one is because it has no history, no comic book, no hundred years of comic book history tied to it. So you have all these characters that they can do whatever they want with it and go in different directions with it. And I was like, you know what, I think it's a good thing that this movie, this show wasn't like, you know, X-Men or something like it wasn't using known characters.


They could go anywhere they wanted to with it. And before I, you know, put put it over to you guys, I just wanted to say that in the the the movie, I'm sure you guys both recognize Larry Lindvall from MASH. He played the, like, the main head general guy. And I was like I was like, oh, man. Because I used to watch MASH when I was a kid. I was like, man, I haven't seen this guy in forever.


And I just like it was like muscle memory. I can remember every bit of his face. I was like, I love that guy much. I love that guy.


But yeah, I, I thought it was fun. I thought both episodes were a lot of fun, but they were. Oh so 80s dialogue buddy. What do you think of this one. So I like I watched it over the years.


I remember watching it the night it premiered and I remember like liking it and keeping I wanted to keep watching it.


But again, like I was saying with Manimal, it was one of those shows that it just didn't seem to like come on consistently. It was kind of weird to watch.


And I've watched it again over time. But this was the first time I had seen it maybe in like twenty years.


And I so I was kind of like I was watching the I watched the pilot and I was like I watched the first part. And then I got up and I was kind of doing some stuff, making making some food. And I right in the middle of making food. It got to like the last like twenty, thirty minutes of it.


I stopped everything I was doing and I sat in front of the TV.


I was so enthralled with the end of this show, like, yeah, I was just like, this is amazing and watching it in the context that I was watching it in.


And I think what you were saying, it's just kind of like the show had there seemed to be so much possibility for the characters and there wasn't the wait. I liked how fleshed out everybody was.


Like, they all had faults, personal faults, as well as like power limits.


Courteney Cox character was like was pretty fascinating to me.


I do remember, like, the electric guy, like he was like the you know, because I also love the Flash. So like when he ever got to do super speed, that was like the thing.


But I just liked I liked how they all like worked as a team at the end. It was definitely was cheesy.


So how they resolved the final plot. But yeah but I liked but there were other things that I liked about it, like the comedy of it.


But I like the cutting away of the people around the world that were watching them as they were trying to save the world.


That was like to me that was innovative and yeah, yeah, yeah.


It was just like I was laughing at the women in the in the hair salon and the teacher at the desk because he was like he's like, what's my what's my mom going to think?


You cut to the hair salon and this lady faints and no one says that that's his mom. But you're like, Oh, I get it. That's it.


Yeah, yeah. It was like it was so it was so much better than it had. Any right to be. Yeah, and it did feel like, you know, I could definitely see it being a movie, like if they had more of a budget at that time.


I could easily see them making that a movie. You could see how the concept of it because they couldn't do the special effects that they would have wanted to do. That's why it was kind of pared down, even like thematically. Right. So, like, you didn't have the costumes and like, big sets. So they were just like in this van or that ice cream truck or whatever, just driving around, running around from seeing the scene. Kind of like there weren't a lot of that.


They were like on the Venice boardwalk, you know, but it just it just had this energy in this movement to it.


And when I when I was watching, I was like, I would actually like to see this redone as like a film, you know, like totally it just like I really I had such I had so much fun watching that, especially that end of it.


Like, I stopped what I was doing.


And yes, Zack, Zack and I were talking offline really quick. And he he mentioned the third act in the because I hadn't gotten there, I'd only watched like half of the pilot. And he is like, oh, buddy, wait until you get the third act and I'm with you, man. Like, I kind of was like, you know, dick around my phone a little bit here and there. Obviously, for me, the hard thing was the quality on YouTube was just utter trash.


But but when that third act kicked in, I mean, like, yeah, you're just like, oh, my God. Like you're watching it.


And I mean, the show ain't perfect. Like, don't don't get us wrong. Like, the special effects are bad. There is some cheesy warnke, you know, camera shots here and there. But what I think it makes it stand out is really you said it, the humor has some remarkably good humor in it.


And then at least in the pilot, they did a really good job of giving a bunch of little side characters, just some funny dialogue like this one time when they met up with, like, the guy who kind of like watches the gate, you know, like they kind of had a little with him.


And I was like I was like none of this needed. Like in the guy who like who mans the gate was actually kind of funny and all of his, you know, 30 seconds of dialogue. And I'm like, I'm like, that guy did not have to you didn't have to do any of this. Like they could have just driven right in. But that's what I liked about it. So I thought that was really neat. Zach, we haven't we haven't heard from you yet, buddy.


On this one I was going to say to the secretary was really funny.


Guy would say, yeah, to the group and and some of the stuff, obviously, a lot of the jokes are dated and and you feel like, OK, this is definitely 1985. And I felt the pilot was really trying to figure out what kind of tone it was going for because you'd shift from really silly kind of slapstick moments to, you know, like really dramatic scenes where Courtney Cox character is, you know, confessing her love to Johnny B and and she's having this meltdown in the middle of a scene.


Yeah. Yeah.


Like in the middle of, like, a silly scene. And they go right into like, oh, man, what did you do? You really broke her heart, something like that. And and and so the tone was like kind of up and down throughout which I didn't mind persay, but I just felt like, OK, this show is really trying to figure out where it's going. And I wish shows like this still existed today because, yeah, whether it's a movie can be a miniseries like a lighter version of The Watchmen, I guess, if you will, you know where they're on the run or something again.


But I loved it. I loved all the actors. I love that Kevin Peter Hall's character, who is legit, seven foot four. You know, he was also Harry and Harry from Harry and the Hendersons. He was also in a movie called Final Warning, an alien movie from 1980. Really good. Daryl Hannah's in that. I think Eric Stoltz might be in that, too. I'm trying to remember. Anyways, he plays the alien in that, too.


Yeah, great to see him showcase, like without makeup, but I love the fact that, you know, they go to Venice like the Yellow was saying, and which was super nostalgic for us, for the three of us, because we you know, I've spent so much time down there and the guys come over asking to play basketball with him because he's so big and he can't play basketball. And the fact that he talks about how he became a scientist because he can't play basketball, you know, and then he got Martin, he got the power.


He made that specific power so that he could not have to be so tall like.


Well, because because he was talking about it was like he's like, I want to I want to in the pilot. It's such a great scene. He's like, I want to be able to sit in a car without, like, hurting my neck. I want to be able to, like, come out here and not be harassed to play basketball to my. Well, you're not really getting harassed. They just want you to play with them. But yeah, I say no, I yeah, but I like that.


I like every character, have these little interesting little twists to them that made them very human feeling.


Yeah. Yeah. And I think you know the main, the main leader Dean. Martin's character, you know, even even at the end, he he actually saved the day in the pilot episode where he makes the final shot, which is hilarious and it's silly on one hand, and then it makes sense on the other because it it, you know, led up to the final moment. You see him constantly shooting hoops throughout the entire episode. It wasn't like a one off.


Well, that was the whole point of the Misfits, right. They were going to the basketball tournament at the end. They were talking about going to the basketball turn at the military base, something like, yeah, yeah, that's their shirts are technically like watching it moving forward.


Those the shirts with their names, Misfits of Science. Yeah, that's their jersey essentially. And I was like, that's so cool. I think that's their name. And then like YOLO, you were saying, like everyone's cheering for them, like the whole world knows who they are. That felt so big, like such a huge concept that you don't really see on TV shows, you know, and I and I will say to that the fact that.


You know, the special effects might have been hokey, but I watched this also with Boatie and he loved it. He gave it a five. He's like, this is great. I love it, you know, because he didn't mind in the moment the scene where there's like this weird water whirlpool barrier that keeps.


Yeah. The Universal Studios time at the hotel. And that's exactly what that was. Yeah. That brought back memories. But when they froze that, he's like, well, that's cool, you know. And I thought, OK, from a six year old lens who, you know, kids these days see the most realistic shit you can see on television and video games. What not for him to sit back and go, whoa, yeah, that's neat.


And not even say at one point, oh, that's so fake. I thought that was a testament to the show.


And I and I loved how that moment was the big moment for Eisemann Beef, you know?


And I was like, that's so cool. I, I liked that guy's character. I think what works about this show is I frickin loved every single character and like a good team, like a good superhero team. You love the characters individually, but then you also love like what they bring to the table and what they can do for the team as a whole. And then you love their interactions. I liked you know, Courteney Cox is character. You know, she's she's kind of under age or I think she's like 17 on the show and she's got like, you know, a crush on on Johnny B and everything.


And it's like, OK, yeah, it was a little silly to have her have that meltdown out there.


But at the same time, she's she's supposed to be 17. And it was like that's actually kind of makes sense that she would do that.


But he has he had the best line after she can get some. He's like, I kissed everyone.


I kissed Billy. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. I look like it's just great.


But I like and then I liked how I thought it was interesting how, like Johnny B., you know, he's he's all powerful. He's got this this this power that he has and I mean, you know, shoot electricity out of his hands and stuff, but he can't get water on him. It'll burn them because the electricity will act against it. And so like he probably does. And so he has to live out in the desert. I'm like, I love how much thought was put.


I love how much thought was put in to like, here's here's how we're going to give this person the power.


But what would that drawback be? Oh, he can't he can't touch water because it would just electrocute him.


OK, so if he can't touch water, what's he going to do? What, he's going to live in the desert fox. That's like it's all like these logical conclusions.


But then at the end of the day, all of that wouldn't work if you didn't have that that chemistry between the actors, if you didn't have that energy, you know, surrounding the show. And at the end of the day, everything that I saw, all of it, it was just fun. It was a fun, fun show.


And it's just like, damn, you just don't see shows like that anymore. And I think Boatie is a testimony to the fact that, like, I do think as a society, as an entertainment society, we we get lost in the weeds thinking that the special effects have to be great and everything.


Man, this was just as much fun now as any fucking this was it was just as much fun to spend two hours watching this as it was to spend watching Infinity War. And this has, you know, infinitely worse graphics than Infinity War does.


So like I tell me, like, you know what I mean? Like, where is the value in having so much like spending billions of dollars to create such better effects when honestly I'm walking away from it had just as much fucking fun, you know?


Yeah. I just think it compensates for lack, you know. So yeah.


Yeah. Lack of storia you guys. What's his name. The Harry Dean Martin.


What's his name. Oh yeah.


It's sorry. Dean. Paul Martin.


Dean Paul Martin actually. Yeah. I remember when he, when he died and the other actor when I remember when they both died. But Dean, Paul Martin, Peter Hall.


He used to be married to Olivia Hussey. Hmm. I don't know shit. Yeah. And who was in Black Christmas. Oh yes. Yeah.


Well she was she the lead in the main. The main girl. OK, yeah. Yeah. I love that movie. I love that movie. Yeah. Romeo and Juliet. Yes.


Yeah. Romeo and Juliet. I just completely randomly stumbled on this video with her on and Romeo and Juliet like she was doing a press thing, smoking cigarettes and drinking like mimosas. And she was like sixteen.


And I was like she but I was like she's so familiar.


And then I looked her up and then I was like, oh my God. Like, I'm about to watch the show like a couple of days.


And the other actor, his wife was Olivia on Sesame Street.


I don't know if you remember. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I thought, oh cool. Yeah.


So that it was I do remember like. Both of them passing. And Peter Hall.


Yeah, and it was and it was a very I just remember like feeling like it was a very sad feeling because the show never really got to do what I felt like it was supposed to do or needed to do because it went up against Dallas.


I guess it went up against the black hole that is Dallas just consumed everything around it, because as I was watching it, actually, I was I was thinking because I know this this happened with the flash show back in the early 90s.


I remember that that showed the actually the show actually had good ratings, but it didn't have good enough ratings to justify the budget. And so that's why that show got canceled.


And as I was watching this one, I was wondering if the same thing happened. I know it got canceled because it didn't have enough ratings, but I'm just watching the pilot.


I was like, oh, man, this show must have cost like a bundle. Yeah. You know, for the time.


So, yeah. And honestly, like with the telekinesis stuff that Courtney Cox's character does, I thought they did some clever, like photography tricks to kind of keep the budget down, especially in the pilot where those two guys were kind of like hovering on the ceiling. I was like, great. I was like, that's actually really cool looking because it's they're actually up there. You can tell they're harnessed and they're kind of just like sort of spinning and floating.


But the effect looked really good. Yeah, because. Well, because it's real. So as opposed to like CGI. But the only my my last thought on it, you know, it didn't let me down actually I probably liked it more than I even thought I was going to. My last thought is I don't want to see it get rebooted or anything.


I want to see it put out on Blu ray so I can actually frickin watch it and enjoy it without, like, the terrible, you know, Biton coding that is the the YouTube pilot. Because when you, you know, watching it on my TV. Oh my God, guys. I mean it was like like forty percent picture quality, you know what I mean. Like it was, it was terrible in the audio. Audio quality is terrible to what they had to say.


Did you notice at the beginning because they used a weird science. So in in the YouTube video, it's not like this in the movie, but in the YouTube video, they if they fuck with the sound. So the video didn't get taken. It doesn't get taken down because that was licensed. Oingo Boingo, you know, weird science song. Yeah. Oh really.


Basically they messed up so they had to because Dorice is the the composer Bazille Polidor. Oh yeah. Bais Apollodorus is the composer. Composer of that too. Yeah.


Raddon Kohnen. Yeah. Yeah.


Good old good misfits of science. But that was good stuff. That's probably why we'll never see it on Blu ray. Because the music licensing.


Yeah. Those things are all messed up. You know it's funny, I was watching the pilot with Meira and as that that song was playing I told Mihir specifically I go this is why it's not on DVD anywhere. It's got to be because they just, they're not going to pay for those rights. They're going to be like, why. Well why would we pay for these rights to have this song just for this, this show that only three people care about.


You know, I wasn't it wasn't it. She blinded me with science or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah.


And I feel like I just that does one thing that always gets me about shows from the 80s in the 90s that the music licensing. I get it, I get that artists should definitely be paid for their money, for their time and their and their music.


These companies like them put pay them so we can see the shit, you know, 21 Jump Street will never be 21 Jump Street because they don't have the music licensing to watch it. It's like instead of playing Orange Crush by RTM during chasing you hear this. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. You know, I know, I know.


Supernatural has that problem where like on the you can if you get the DVDs the first couple of seasons have like AC DC on it and stuff. But then if you watch them on streaming, they use like, you know, cover bands and things like that.


And I'm like, oh my God, it's those that 70s Show did a quantum leap is Quantum Leap had that problem where they they didn't even have the pilot episode on Hulu because the because of the music in the era, it's so lame.


Well, in my mirrors watching she's watching the creek right now on Netflix, you know, Dawson's Creek and they show and they change the the intro song. It's not it's no longer out on the road. It's a whole different song. And that even be possible. That's like the only thing people really that's pretty slow.


And it's important when I hear it and even even Maya is like, this is horrible. I'm like, this is not right.


And it ruined like the rest of the show just fine normal. But it kills the vibe.


And I remember I was watching that song made that and I remember I was watching Murder Children one time on Crackle and they couldn't use the love and marriage intro.


And I just I just turned this on, like, turn this off. Turn this off. Right now, it's horrible. Oh, my God, I do remember that with bosom buddies when Bosom Buddies first went into syndication and they didn't have Billy Joel, Billy Joel on it.


And I was like, what's what's happening? What's going on? Yeah. Yeah. So. Oh, man. Then this shit really does die when it and it's in its heyday.


It does. I mean, now, you know, thankfully shows create, you know, music and you know now and so you don't have to worry about it anymore. But oh man.


I know Miami Vice Miami Vice put out a box set years ago for DVDs, but the Blu ray do not have the license and so lame.


But I have I have the DVDs. And let's be honest, TV quality like DVD for TV is just fine. So thank God I still have that because can you imagine Crockett and Tubbs driving down the road instead of hearing in the air tonight hearing like beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.


Because because that scene was edited to go with one song.


Every yeah. Every. That was the first TV show to really incorporate music in a way in that way. Yeah. Anyway, that's for another TV.


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Yes. So Shazam, like what was going back to what can I say? Like, again, I'm I'm older, older than both of you guys. So I was like a little guy. I was like a bodies' age when the show was on first came on its first year was on was in 74.


Wow. Yeah.


It starred Michael Grey as Billy Batson and less Tramaine who was in he was the narrator in Forbidden Planet. If you've ever seen that classic 50s movie, what was it.


Leslie Nielsen. Yes. And yeah, yeah, yeah. Leslie Nielsen Sinitta. Yeah.


And it's like the quintessential sci fi movie it and also starred Jackson Bob Zwick, who his only other claim to fame was.


He was one of the soldiers in the background, soldiers in Tron, all that little as I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He trained in GQ. No, yeah, yeah. I did see that.


I was that was, that was that part was really interesting. And then John Davie, who played Shazam in season, I think it was like into season two and three.


He played the character Captain Marvel actually I should say so, yeah. The show debuted in 1974, is on CBS Saturday Mornings. It was by Film Mission, which at the time, you know, you were only known for were mostly known for animated shows. This was I think this was one of their first kids and kids live action shows.


And it it was also one of the first ones that this is a little random tidbit.


But Zach, I know you like love he man and that little circular film and they Schyman bins. Yeah. That was the first time they used it on Shazam. Oh no. Yeah.


Before. Yeah. Because I think Flash Gordon came out after. Yeah. Came out a few years after I think. But man film film Nation is the the king. The King of family entertainment back then. Yeah.


King that makes sense that now knowing this now that the, that the pantheon that he talks to are animated. I was like, yes, that makes sense now.


Yeah. So yeah I was like that combination of animation they had, they had done that and other shows but like did this to create was like mostly live action.


So it's sort of the origin of the show was DC had reclaimed the rights to Shazam and they pushed that, they made it into a TV show. The elements of the comic book, the only thing that carries over is actually m saying Shazam and turning into everything else is different. Like there was no there's no.


I mean. You mean there's no arvi in the with with the laser bolt on the lightning. Right.


I actually remember as a kid, I remember as a kid like seeing an RV and asking my mom, why doesn't that one have the lightning bolt on it?


I just thought that was like a feature of ARV's, that I wasn't the smartest kid, apparently. And that and that you're a cool kid. And the the last Remains character who is was mentor.


His name was Mr. Mentor. Like you. How on the nose was that.


Yeah, but he was he was originally from the show to say he wasn't from the comic book so.


Yeah I mean it was a it's a it's a very simple setup. They just, they're in their RV driving around at certain point the the elders who are the people that give Shazam his powers, Solomon, Hercules, Atlas's Achilles Mercury they can you and if you don't know, that's how he gets the name Shazam.


Yeah. That's how you get the name, the name Shazam. He like they usually. They alert him and then they give him like the lesson for today at a certain point, you know, you should think about this and they would always tie it to like like some literature quote, like they would, quote, like Wordsworth or something. And then he would come back into reality and then they would stumble across the kid who was always having one of those kid things.


He was dealing with bullies or someone was trying to pressure him into stealing or let's go for a joyride, which is the episode, the pilot episode that I that I watched.


And at a certain point, things would get to a climax. And then Billy would turn into Captain Marvel with the cheap special effects and saved the day ship.


But awesome. And I feel like so cool. I well, I like that when he changed.


Transformation is like I that was obviously that was like the draw for me as a kid was just, just that transformation.


But again it was like that it was the cross between animated and live action and watching it change in the colors and everything. Yeah, he would save the day.


It was very pedestrian, which like when I was watching it now, I was kind of in a way, I was struck by how ordinary it was, knowing how, like, you know, today when we have comic book movies, it's like over the top, big in your face. You have to have a super villain, a big bad. This is like Captain Marvel is just like he's helping a kid like like lift the telephone pole.


So I think the show actually was on for three seasons and it actually had a spinoff. If you've seen ISIS before.


I I came across ISIS because I was trying to watch Shazam. And that's all that came up on YouTube until, you know, you you and Dailymotion came to the rescue. Yeah, but yeah.


So I did get to see ISIS for a second, you know, so they had they had a couple like crossover things. She had her own show for like two or three years. And he would he would appear on her show every once in a while. But yeah, that's about it.


I like that.


I almost think that was probably one of my first, like, exposures to like superheroes between that Superman was on at the time and like Batman, but like Shazam, it's stuck in my brain. And, you know, I'm like huge, huge Shazam fan now. But there's always been my favorite superhero, him, The Flash and Green Lantern.


I mean, after hearing you talk so much about this show, you know, just finally, finally having a reason to to go watch it. Once I got over the fact that I was utterly shocked that it was a 30 minute show, I thought, you know, you probably told me.


But like, you know, nowadays The Flash, all these shows, superhero shows have to be an hour I can't even conceive of even misfits of science was an hour. You know, this was 30 minutes. I was like, holy shit.


But I mean, it was Saturday morning. It was I mean, it definitely was for kids like they were there were no and it was for kids. And I don't want to say that it's talked down to them, but like it it didn't have that high level of like drama and stuff.


It definitely was like educational. Yeah. But it was also in that era before cartoons were really commercialized. So it wasn't necessarily selling things to kids at that time. So it wasn't about buying toys and it felt like they were selling like like.


It felt like the end of a GIGO episode, right, and like, here's what you have to learn, except this is a full 22 minutes of what you have to learn. And I think that actually works better, like it felt like it was incorporated in the lesson is incorporated into the show as opposed to being an afterthought.


And I actually kind of like that.


I thought that was kind of a cool idea because knowing, you know, we're all 40 plus years old and we're watching this show knowing that it's for kids. So I'm like, OK, I like that they incorporate the lesson throughout the entire episode, really just kind of like hammering it home. And, you know, I kind of watched a little bit of it with my wife. The episode that, you know, I kind of was watching on my phone and shown her pieces of it.


But when he turned into Shazam, first off, I love the transformation. You know him fine. Didn't look terrible considering that Superman, the movie hadn't even come out yet. I was like, you know, it's like, OK, like, yeah, it's silly. But at the same time, think of the context. It doesn't look terrible. And there was this one interesting shot where he was flying through the I guess through the neighborhood. And you can tell that the actor was on the crane and they kind of sped it up and it looked really weird, but at the same time, like otherworldly.


And that really kind of worked for him. I kind of wish they didn't use the blue screen flying as much and use that like that technique, whatever they did. I don't know if they do it again, but I thought that that worked. I liked the setup.


It's seen it seems like such an awesome setup, just walking, you know, roaming around California in an RV, you know, like, you know, fighting crime or doing whatever you're doing. It's such a great setup. I loved it. And just there was something just so comforting about syndicated shows like this where you're like, OK, it's the 17 minute mark. He's going to turn into Shazam right now. And it's like there's something just very comforting about having the same setup every single episode, which I assume is sort of what it is and everything.


But all in all, I had a blast with that one episode that you sent me. I would definitely, definitely watch more.


I was also taken aback by the fact that Billy Batson is clearly the exact same age as the guy who plays Shazam, but that's neither here nor there or Captain Marvel, I should say. It was here as I was watching it, I was like, it's it is a little sketch him driving around in an RV with this little old man.




So they're probably like, well, we can't cast like a 14 year old, so we've got to make them like 30 two. So, yeah. You know, but Zach, I kind of stepped on your toes there for a second. What were you going to say buddy. No, no.


Well, first of all, it was going to say I think like the cartoon, Benton kind of ripped off the idea of driving around in an RV with the with the older gentleman, the mentor, if you will. But but going back to what you're saying about the whole the whole show being based around the moral message that was filmed in style, like they did that with everything from Heman and she to, you know, The Cosby Show back when we didn't know about Cosby, you know, the Cosby kids, Fat Albert, sorry.


Really. You know, the moral message was something that they hammered home. I wish we had more of that nowadays. I love that that they even if it was like, well, you know, you kids should be doing this kind of thing where, you know, I totally agree with you, Dialo. Like, it is like a little bit of a talking down. And obviously you could modify it for today's audience because I don't think kids need to be talked down that much and in that sense.


But it's I think it's so vitally important, especially for it's just having a conscience like you're you're having a show on television. Kids are going to watch it. This is the. Yeah. Sell a toy like G.I. Joe did G.I. Joe through those tags on the end. And don't get me wrong, I loved you. I loved you, too. But, you know, but they threw those tags on the end to justify that. The entire episode was a 22 minute commercial for their toys, which again, I have no problem with whatsoever.


But I love that film that Lou Shemer, who's a he's a he's a freaking God for family television. You know that his production company, you know, his live action stuff like Shazam is so great and the episodes Pacific that we watch is perfect because it dealt with, you know, not doing, not going along, not going along with what everyone else is telling you to do, like peer pressure right on in this time and age, like we so bote.


We had just watched Hamilton with him over this weekend, like over the course of three days. And because it's so frickin long.


And he loved it. He loved Hamilton. And for a six year old to watch Hamilton, and yet it I was like blown away for four Corey to watch Hamilton. And by the way, I love to do I would say yeah, I will say like if for our listeners who have an.


I've seen it and are not a music end and musicals let all that go, just watch because, you know, I wasn't necessarily back in the day, but I've grown to appreciate him for a six year old to sit through that.


And obviously certain themes he didn't get, which is good, but he got the underlying message of being true to yourself. And and so this episode of Shazam was perfect, too, because he liked it. He gave it a four out of five because he's like, I still like the 80s more. I'm like, yeah, you're an 80s.


That's my boy. That's my boy. Yeah, I know.


And, you know, and like you're saying, Corey, about it being kind of, you know, the special effects, not having a problem with the special effects. I did neither. You know, I look at like greatest American hero was doing the almost the exact same thing, you know, what is it? Not 10 years. Seven years. Pretty close. Yeah, 10 years later. And then, you know, dealing with it, like you were saying about it being.


The plots being, you know, way different than what like superhero shows are like now, it reminds me of a kid's version of the Hulk in a way. Yeah. It's like you're dealing with, like normal issues, the Incredible Hulk, like day to day issues, right? Yeah. And and with this backdrop of the supernatural character.


And then that's cool at the time. It's so funny because at the time I'm like, I want to see them battling superheroes. Right. I want to see them battling back like otherworldly villains. And that's the Incredible Hulk used to turn me off in that way as a kid. Now I look back on like, this is rad. I love this. I can keep watching more of it. So that's how I feel about the Shazam nowadays, you know?


Yeah. It's funny. You like the hair on. Billy was just ridiculous.


He was on. So he was on Mike where he was on The Brady Bunch on this one episode. I think it was the one where Marcia's nose gets. Oh yeah.


Oh the famous one.


I just remembered there's something he was like got an ice cream shop and he like ended up coming with some other girl or something and Marcia had to hide her nose.


But anyways, he's he's always had that hair is basically saying even on even on The Brady Bunch, he had that same big bushy thing of hair.


So it's glorious.


He looks like a giant cutup, you know. Yeah, but he's he's also so skinny, too. So it's it's yeah, I was. But it's like it's so timely, you know, it's perfect for the time. And and again, this and misfits made me so miss like the olden days of Los Angeles and San Francisco.


Oh yeah. Watching the shoot all this stuff. Yeah.


You know, you go hiking, you go hiking around the Hollywood Hills and you're like, oh, that's where they filmed. That's probably where they filmed Shazam.


You know, it's funny you say that because there was a scene where they were driving past some like Woods type area. And I remember thinking to myself, that's probably homes now, you know.


Oh, totally. Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


They I don't know if you I don't know if you guys remember is a few years ago I did, I did a con and for Angela in the dark and when I was leaving I was in the parking garage and there was this guy talking to this woman and I turn and look, it was Michael Gray. You're at Billy Batson. And I was like, you know, I just my whole world just, like, stopped.


I thought, oh, my God, I just I just need to tell you, you're the greatest. Yeah.


It's like I lose it like like if it was like Brad Pitt or some people see them, they that's how they like fall all over themselves.


When I see those kind of people, I'm like, hey, what's up, Brad? But then when I see Michael Gray then I lose my shit.


So yeah. Did you have a moment?


Did you get to talk to him? Yeah, I did. I just think it was just like really quick. I just want to say, you know, like, again, for like this show for me, like, I get that it's not like the greatest. But again, I was like booty's age when I was watching it. So I was like, yeah, four, four, four or five and six by hayday. And it just like it was everything to me and like, like to this day I still have like I'm right up on the wall next to me.


I have all these Shazam characters and it's just.


And when I was watching this this episode, too, I really was taken back to how it actually reminded me of the earnestness of, like Mister Rogers neighborhood, you know, Mister Rogers neighborhood was very like you.


People would maybe say it's cheesy, but like it just it was what it was and it was trying to be as kind as it was and and and show you the value and being a good person.


And so when I was watching the episode, I was like, yeah, there's there's that cheesiness to this show.


But yeah, especially at the age that I was when I was watching it, like, oh my God. Like, I learned how to be a good person from watching this show.


And I think that there's still a place for that. I feel like, you know, all these shows we you know, we love what CW does with The Flash and everything. It's fine. It's great. But there's so much gray to it that I wish kids had more just good wholesome stuff like this that's trying to, you know, tell a moral, you know, and trying to make you a better person. Just make the kid a better person through this through this TV series.


And I, I think there's absolutely a place for this show now. And I think there's absolutely and by that I don't mean a reboot. I mean like showing a kid this exact show.


Now, I think those messages are still applicable and still important to tell kids and almost even more important now than ever that than ever, because I feel like we've we've gotten so like lost in the whole gray of things.


And Dialo and I have had many discussions about comic books and stuff. And, you know, I don't love Superman as a character. I think they've done some great stories here and there with them. I think Grant Morrison usually does the best stuff. I'm sure Dialla can probably cite some other things, too. But the point is, I don't love Superman is a character, but I think he's absolutely essential to us as a human fabric. Like we need somebody to show us what it's like to just be a good person all the time, you know?


And Zack mentioned, you know, like like kind of comparing this to Incredible Hulk. And I didn't love the Incredible Hulk when I was a kid because I was already reading comic books. And so, like when I saw, like, his quote unquote, feat of strength would be to rip off a car door. I was very hokey. I was unimpressed by that. And also I was very terrified by the opening scene and the transformation.


So I didn't want to scare the shit out of me. But I'm watching this now and we've all saw the same episode. And, you know, he kind of grabs that that truck and, you know, he's his feat of strength.


Is it much better than the hoax? But I'm watching it now and I'm like, I love it because, one, he doesn't have to do anything bigger than what he's doing.


Right. Like that would actually probably endanger the kids. So he's using in this particular moment, he's using just as much strength as he needs to. And I thought that was perfect. But at the same time, I don't need him flying around with great CGI and like, punching your villains into the moon or something. I don't need that. I really don't. When I watch the show, when I watched Shazam, I realized it is just what I needed by itself.


Like the way it is is pretty fucking perfect, to be honest with you.


Yeah. Yeah, I have that. You brought up Superman and I actually was watching some clips of the history of the Superman series of movies.


And and I had just recently watched, like in the last few months I watched Man of Steel also.


And yeah, that whole idea of like in Man of Steel, he's flying around and it's CGI and, you know, and it's like I mean, on an on a certain level it looks really cool, but like, you know, it's fake.


So it doesn't have that same sense of, well, what I like to tell, like, it doesn't feel like it inhabits a three dimensional space. Yeah.


But then I'm watching the first Superman and it's like he's flying around and wires and stuff and it's just like, oh yeah. Like I believe you can fly, you know. And I and I have more of that feeling watching Shazam than I do watching Man of Steel. Right.


Because they never even they don't ever do any trick photography now like they did in the episode of Shazam that we saw where he was clearly on some kind of a crane and they sped it up, you know, but that was like really the actor there, you know, and now they'll have the actor Brandon Routh fly through the city. But it's all CGI, even to the point where he's like floating there, CGI until he touches the ground and you're like it just all feels so fake.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. I it this this show was reminding me of all the cool live action films and shows back in the day that are hokey like, like this. And, but, but I think I'm way more charm than, than those shows on CW and I'm not bashing those shows. I know there's an audience for it and it's all good and it's not for me and that's fine. But like, give me fucking Jason of Star. Command, any old day, any, you know, Jason is Darkman, if you've never seen it, this is the bomb.


That's when Sid Haig of how some thousand corpses and, you know, obviously Rob zombie fame, he played a great villain in that. But like, I pulled up another couple other shows up Space Academy space to go to. Yeah. Both of those shows, they all came out after after Shazam, like you said, but they were under the filmmaking banner. And so, you know, besides filmmaking doing epic cartoons by hand, they were doing these amazing science fiction shows that that for the time were pretty damn good and I think are still, you know, look, I love old school doctor who more than I love current doctor who.


So that's just my jam. So I can watch these any old day. I know. And watching them with my six year old, he loves all this shit because this is like the stuff kids make. You know, they go they're not going and making the Brandon Ruth, you know, flash speed machine or whatever to make it look like they're characters running. They're going and building something out of cardboard and thinking it looks like a jet. And I mean, there's something very inspiring about that.


I think we need more shit like this, more realistic practical effects. So kids get inspired versus saying and there's nothing wrong with it. But, you know, one kid says, well, I want to go make computer games for a living. That's awesome. Go do it. And another kid says, I want to make special effects sets for four movies like that. And he was inspired or she was inspired by the cardboard that she built in her house and watching shit like this on TV.


I think it all has its own place. I'm not saying there's not one or the other, but I just feel like the more practical effects we have, the better. And it's just inspiring to be able watch. All three of these is cheese ball is misfits of science.


Special effects are it's inspiring special effects and then is cheese ball is manimal, you know, the minimal, minimal amount of minimum, the minimum wage and of course, the minimalist, but still so cool.


Like, give me that face moving any day over a CG werewolf. Absolutely, dude.


And it it is cool. Each of these shows have some some interesting like effects and some interesting concepts going on. Yeah.


You know, so am I going to say buddy, I just like I you know, I think I've said it before. I think I said on the last podcast and I, I say this all the time and I'll say it again and again and again and again. I like when I see special effects in older stuff, like some people tend to like want to make fun of it. And every time I am just like you need to respect.


Yeah. How these people made this happen without they had that like most of the time they had to figure out how to do it like they were trailblazers, trailblazers in, in the industry.


Yeah. And it was just they had to be innovative and they have like that you get the camera angles and it's just like now it's just so easy.


And I and I think that's why in a certain way, film has lost some of its charm because they don't have to think of ways to get around doing certain things.


It's like you want to do a shot, you do the shot. Right. But like, just imagine if there was CGI when Jaws was being made. Like, you not have been the same.


No, because you you would have seen the shark the entire movie, the way the way Spielberg wanted to, to do it. And I feel like this Shazam is exactly like Jaws, whereas you have to be artistically creative to work within the confines of your medium and confines, I mean, budgetary constraints. And so, you know that these guys and gals working on Shazam had to be thinking outside the box because they can't always, you know, be using that shot of, you know, the blue screen shot or something.


So they put them up on a crane and and manage it. Just it just works. And I think that, like, when you actually have a constraint to work within, I think a better art is produced sometimes.


Yeah. There's there's this one episode where he has to like these kids are like getting in a plane, like a paper airplane, and it's about to take off and it's about the like whatever. So he like he runs on the on the runway after it. And the way they do the effect is great. You know, that kind of speeded up. The plane's probably not going very fast. You know, it's it's like but it was like a full body shot.


So you actually see get that sense of him using a super speed or in this episode actually there they were the kids were in the back seat of the car. And I remember going like, this car is not moving at all.


Yeah, but just the way they were like shaking and rocking and they were like covered up the windows behind that, you couldn't see that it wasn't moving. It just all of that stuff to me just gave that had it gave it a little. Different feel than like what we normally get. So, yeah, yeah, I, I think, honestly, it's awesome. I think all three of the shows that we all brought to the table this week, I love them all for different reasons.


I think they had their merits. I think they all have their pluses. They all have their minuses. There's no like one of them is the best one. One was a stinker. I think they're all pretty frickin cool and they're in their own right. And I think all of them are worth revisiting. If you think you might have liked them or if you think you kind of remember them, I think they all really deserve to be re watched and revisited and checked out.


There wasn't really any stinkers in the bunch here.


I love them. I love that. I mean, you know, for years I'd like if anybody like brought up Manimal, I would just go Vanimo I know what I do.


I mean it's fun to say by the way man that animal is it.


Yeah. It was a great fun show. And again that time like you know, like from the 70s to, to like the 80s they were again they were just they were trying to do the stuff that just like we take it for granted now, but like back then it was really hard to do any of those things. So, like, we were lucky to get what we had.


I mean, I know like I know people are going to say, yeah, it's still expensive to do CGI. I get it. It's still expensive to create CW The Flash. I do understand that and I do like that show. But I mean, honestly, like, we wouldn't have that show if we didn't have all three of these guaranteed the the you know, the industry, just the industry itself grew from all three of these these individual shows, I believe.


Yeah, totally. Totally.


And I just I just love me some Simon McCorkindale.


All right. All right. Well, a lot of our apeace tonight, it's. Yeah, yeah. All right.


I mean, we were we were going back, though, you know. Yeah. It's going to happen. It's the nature of the beast. So, yeah, man, this was fun. I love TV Obscura. I love this, this show that we do so. And by the way, I'm going to I'm going to call it now, guys, I want to bring Werewolf to the table one of these days. I loved that show as a kid.


Oh, man.


I feel like all three of us want to bring a werewolf to the table. Maybe maybe we'll do one episode of TV obscure and will we just talk about werewolf and we all talk about an individual episode or something? Yeah, rumor. Rumor is it's getting it's there's a German release of the entire series, but rumor is it's getting a a Blu ray boxset release and a possible reboot.


Well, it was one season, correct? Yeah, I think it was one that was back in that. But early, early days of Fox and the.


Yeah. Linear ide linear you know, which is so bad ass. And it was, it was thirty minutes. Yes. Yeah, wow, I'm almost certain it was 30 minute OK, because I think most of Fox's stuff was 30 minutes outside of 21 Jump Street back in the day because that was a part of the first season of, like Fox television.


Yeah, it was like werewolf. He was like Herman's head and shit like that, everyone said was a little bit later, but OK. Yeah, OK.


Werewolf was like 80, 87, I think. I think that's when Fox came out. 86 or 87. 87.


Yeah. Yes. I was telling my wife that that was like, you know how old I am. I'm old enough to remember when Fox wasn't a channel.


I mean, that's crazy, right? Yeah, there's only three networks. And then, yeah.


Now we're old enough to know that that The Simpsons used to just be a skit on the on the Tracey Ullman first season.


Yeah. That was the first season of that. Yeah. When you when you guys brought up that one at that thread or something and somebody mentioned werewolf, I was like, oh my God, I like that show was everything and I can't wait to watch it again. I can't wait.


Oh OK. So so I think let's let's just say we were going to do something special for a werewolf on TV obscura, maybe closer to October. We'll figure it out. But this is an ongoing show and you are going to hear Dialo many more times in the future. But until then, until we do more TV obscura dialogue, my man.


Well, what do you have going on out there in the podcast? Well, because I know you have some really cool you're working on. Oh, yeah. Yeah.


So I just started my podcast, audio book, and it is a novel. It's the novel that I've been writing for the last almost decade and I'm finally starting to put it out there.


So it's called the book is called The First Noel and the podcast is called The First Noel Chronicles.


So you can find I have the prologue and chapter one and two.


I'm aiming for biweekly release and it is a fantasy Christmas story. But in the vein of Lord of the Rings, not like fairy tales.


So I have a few twists in there that I haven't quite gotten to yet. But hopefully it becomes the seasonal story that people will we revisit every year.


Awesome. Yeah.


So, yeah, and I, I kind of, kind of got into it a little bit because I popped it in your podcast and, and then Zach's wife mentioned a few things to me and then it got my brain going and my wife and she just started doing this.


So it's it's so cool dude. I'm, I'm so, I'm so happy that you're doing that, that project and beyond. Happy to help boost the signal, however possible. We will have in the episode notes here in every episode that we have Dialo on and we'll have the links in there to all the pod catchers and everything. Please, please, please go check it out. Go, go leave it a five star review on Apple podcast and all that kind of stuff.


I love the concept, dude. I love the idea and I love that you're doing it. Dude, I love it.


Thank you. Yeah. And like I said, I it's like I that was a top secret. Like I didn't. I know. Yeah. I didn't even tell you, like I barely told anybody I was doing it.


But a lot of it was just because I was I was trying to figure out I had the idea a long time ago, but I didn't know how to tell it. And so I just kind of kept it in my head and worked at it and then finally just started to come together so well.


Well, it's great. I have so much more respect for people that do and don't talk about it.


So when you dropped it, I was like, bro, I was like, bro, props like that is mega props. And in my opinion, you know, to just do what you're going to do, don't don't talk about it.


Just do it, man. And you did it, bro. I'm I'm so happy, dude. I'm so happy. It's so frickin cool. Please, guys, go check that out. First, Noelle Chronicles, I will have all the links in the show notes and Zack Zack the snack. Where can we find you buddy boy.


Besides podcasting after dark you can find me at Zack Shafer. Video gives you a little insight into who I am as a artist. And then over at Tudela Late Fee, that's my my my sister from another Mr. podcast where eighties retro we. By the time this airs. Yeah. We have an interview up with Gabe Jarrett, Gabriel Jarrett, who's mostly known as Mitch Taylor from Real Genius, one of your favorite movies. One of my it's my number two favorite movie of all time.


So after which one of the.


So it's it's there are no coincidences in life, but, you know, I've been able to cover both films on both podcasts in a very loving way and got to interview an actor from both of those. We interviewed Gabe Jarrett. We interviewed Thomas Waite's, Thomas Guedes from The Warriors, The Fox. And that interview will be on podcasting after dark at the end of the month. Yeah, but but yeah, we interview Gabe Jarrett on to lately. And the guy is you know, he's been working ever since.


He's got a really cool story. He's a sign language interpreter. Oh yes. He speaks perfect sign language. And he's got a cool, interesting story as to how that came about. That's one of the many things he talks about. Karate Kid three getting his nose broken by Ralph Macchio and very funny moments and talks about 21 Jump Street. So we talk about a lot of things that he talk about how Johnny Depp was on the set of that show.


And so, yeah, fun stories. Really great guy. One of those names were like, yeah, I want to know what he's been up to, you know? And and yeah, it's it's fun. That's our latest episode. Check it out to our late fee.


I check it out. Check it out. Just check it out. Bakary. Yeah. You know where Dialo and I can be found, but where can you be found outside of the podcasting after Dark World.


Oh, you know, talking about Seinfeld every single week with our pal Adam. Oh, baby, we're about to I guess we're about to get into season six. So, yeah, we are cranking through we are about at episode like eighty five or something like that, something insane. But it's been, it's been a lot of fun going through a show that I had seen on the first go around like I'd seen in order, but mostly had seen in syndication.


So like I when you, when you watch a show mostly in syndication, your brain gets jumbled as to where things like land and, you know, what season this was in and everything. So it's actually been a lot of fun, like seeing jokes evolve, seeing characters evolve from the beginning and where things go. And sometimes you even like get little hints of a joke that's going to be like later, like even seasons later. And you're like, wow, they really like where they were trying it out here first and now it's going to be better later.


So it's it's fun to see it like to go through a series that that you love. I mean, I highly recommend anyone if you love a show, you know, from your nostalgic youth. And I'm not just talking about Seinfeld. If it's, you know, whatever she you remember, go back and try at some point to watch it in order. And it's it feels so different than watching it in syndication, you know. So, yeah, I bet it's a lot of fun.


And we have a we have a blast over there and we do the same thing, you know, that we do here on podcast after dark, whereas we break down each episode, scene by scene, everything, and then we just kind of go off on tangents and talking about it.


So but podcast after dark, we got some big, big stuff happening this year and TV Obscura is only one of them. So we hope everyone sticks around. We hope everyone subscribes. Leaves us a five star review on Apple podcast soaps. Everyone signs up for a patriot because we got huge, huge shit going on down over there. And, man, we got it. We put out a lot of patriot content. So check that out.


Bunch of interviews.


I mean, damn, dude, at this point, we have over a year's worth of interviews over on our patriae on page people like Tom Matthews, Stephen Jefferys, Tony Timpone, Diane Franklin, Zach Ward, Brian USANA, Jeanette Goldstein, Steve Kazansky, John Filmon, Tom Holland, Jonathan Stark, composer, Richard Band and fracking, just like Zach said. Thomas Gee Waits. We have an interview coming up soon with somebody else and we already have it in the can so we can just say it.


But we interviewed Scott Valentine from Family Ties and Scott Viscardi.


KTV was one of the nicest human beings we've ever met in our entire lives. And like Mark Raulston was frickin awesome.


And Scott, I've put Mark Raulston to shame. As far as Nike goes. Scott Valentine was a frickin saint, so it's awesome. And he was obviously you guys know him as Nick from from Family Ties.


And he was also in my Demonlover, which I watched the night before the interview. And we didn't even mention once during the interview.


So, well, he talks about some of the things he liked it did and some of the things that he didn't.


He talks about the some of things he didn't like he kind of had to do because he was in a financial situation. So he can maybe infer that my lover was one of those sort of things. But check the interview up. It's good stuff and check out please check out the first Noel Chronicles and please Changzhou in the Dark also.


Yes, Angel in the Dark as well. And also check out a late fee and all that kind of stuff, so we got great shit guys, our friends have great shit going on.


Please, please, please check them all out and have all the links in the show. Not so until next time we'll catch you on the dark side.


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