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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO series Real Time with Bill Maher. Thank you. Sit down, sit down, please. Oh, I know why you're happy today. Russia says they have a vaccine for the coronavirus. Isn't that exciting news? I think it's very exciting. I mean, when has anything ever gone wrong? When Vladimir Putin said, here, take this. But I tell you, America, we were just the loser country. I mean, we've got more cases than anybody we're giving up on trying to control it now for America, just like anyone going to live with, like school shootings or homelessness or, you know, drug stores that have the condoms locked behind the glass case.

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Well, the president this week was commenting on the Spanish flu. You know, he's quite a history buff, the president, and he said that in 1917 there was a great pandemic, which was probably which probably ended the Second World War. OK, anymore to start with that. It wasn't a Second World War, the First World War. It didn't ended. But OK, fine. This weekend actually is an anniversary of World War Two. It's a seventy fifth anniversary of VJ Day, which Trump got interested in in for about a half a second because he thought somebody said j.J.

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But, oh, the president just got mad at me. You saw that tweet this week? Yes, well, last week I gave her a eulogy. I thought it was good fun. I was not mean too much. But I think everybody benefits from hearing a eulogy in their own lifetime. That was my point. He did not see it that way. He wrote a tweet. He said, I watch Bill Ball this week for the first time in a long time.

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It's either accidentally watching me or watching wait for the first time in a long time. And then, oh, boy, did he leave a letter. He said to them, more totally shot, looks terrible. Exhausted, gaunt and weak, perhaps.

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But in my own defense, earlier that day, I had to walk down a ramp.

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Anyone would look back. Oh, what a man this president is this week reached out to South Dakota's governor to see if he could get his likeness on Mount Rushmore, which, of course, raised the question that is very important on everybody's mind. Can granite be combed over?

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Oh, yeah, the president had a big week in the Oval Office, he made a big show of signing some executive orders to halt evictions, which we're going to have to do, and to boost unemployment pay. Of course, these executive orders will have exactly as much effect in the real world as that time he redirected a hurricane with a Sharpie.

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So don't worry, if you're out of work or about to lose your apartment.

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Imaginary help is on the way, folks. But maybe real help is on the way the Democratic ticket got set this week, Kamala Harris is going to be Joe Biden's vice president. I think that's very exciting, very historic. A black Asian American woman whose mother is from India and whose father is from Jamaica. Trump is so confused he didn't know where to tell it to go back to.

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But I'm excited. I think she's going to be great. I think she's great. I think she is ready to wake Joe Biden from a nap on day one.

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But, of course, you know, no sooner had they announced that name, you know, they didn't get to the Harris and then the Republicans pounced. Trump was attacking. She's nasty, disrespectful, phony. Geez, can she get in the door? Could you let Mommy put her purse down?

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But it's it's exciting and it's historic, a daughter of immigrants from India and Jamaica, or at least Stoner's called Indica.

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Yeah, she she takes a lot of a lot of boxes, yeah, for the left wing of the party, a woman who's half black and half Asian, not a lesbian, but she says she's willing to learn.

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All right, we've got a great show tonight, we have Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms from Atlanta, Big Boo Judge Andrew Yang and Colin Cowherd. I spoke to them all yesterday. Let's get right to. OK, my first guest is the Democratic mayor of Atlanta, Georgia. Wow, on our show, please welcome Keisha Lance Bottoms. Madame Mayor, is that the right term? Keisha's fine. Well, Madam Mayor works, too. OK, well, I'm going to say about Americans that it's a big job you have.

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And as a big city mayor, I'm sure you've noticed that one of Donald Trump's themes for the election is that Democratic cities are going to hell in a handcart. I mean, he talks about Portland and we see there's unrest there that have been in other cities and Chicago where looting in the Miracle Mile last weekend and they've pulled up the drawbridges in town. That's not a good look. So it's interesting in Donald Trump's ads, he shows this kind of footage and says this is what you're going to get under Biden, even though it's happening now under him.

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But it still looks like it could be an effective campaign as a big city mayor. What is your response to that approach?

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Well, it's a tough time to be a mayor. I mean, we're having challenges across this country and there are made even worse because this man is president. There's no partnership or true coordination with the White House. And my understanding and the good old days under the Obama Biden administration, you can look to the White House for leadership and guidance. And you had an opportunity to pick up the phone and call when you needed assistance. But this is it's very different.

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And he didn't make it any better. We have so many things on our plate that we have to contend with as mayor and then to at the White House and this president on top of it. It creates a big distraction and it takes up a lot of our time and energy. All right.

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Let's talk about policing for a minute. You must have a new police chief there. I'm not sure who it is because I don't live in Atlanta, but I know the one that was there until very recently, Erica Shields. Right. She resigned after the incident. There was a police shooting incident and she was a very progressive mayor, a gay woman. I mean, that's pretty good for police chief. Police chief, I'm sorry. And in Seattle, the police chief, a black woman, just resigned because they are defending the police there and they didn't even consult her.

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And she made the point. She said, well, you know, when you defend the police, most of the people who get fired are the young officers of color who, because of seniority, will be the first to go. So it seems like in the name of social justice, we're getting rid of the most progressive minority police chiefs and black officers. That can't be the right approach, right?

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Well, I can't speak to what's happening in Seattle, but I can't speak to what's happening in Atlanta. Shields is actually still a part of the city of Atlanta. She's still working with us on some public safety initiatives. We did make a change in leadership and we had a really big conversation citywide regarding defunding the police. And that's been happening across the country. Our approach has been very different in Atlanta. We have begun some meaningful criminal justice reform. When I came into office in twenty eighteen, it included eliminating cash bail bonds in the city of Atlanta.

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For people who don't understand what that means, it means if you get stopped for a busted tail light, you have two hundred dollars in your pocket. You pay, you go home. If you don't, you can sit in jail for up to six months. We ended our contract with ICE and it allowed us to begin to reimagine public safety in the city. So we are transforming our four hundred and fifty thousand square foot city jail into a center of equality, health and wellness.

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And we're taking the savings that we have experience from moving away from mass incarceration to putting it towards some of the community based initiatives and redirecting our personnel in a way that benefits our neighborhoods. So thankfully, in Atlanta, we were ahead of the curve. Chief Shields has been a great part of this conversation and leadership in that area and she continues to work with us. But, you know, when you lead an organization, you sometimes have to make changes.

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And my belief is you get the right part, right, people on the bus and then you figure out the right seat for them. So we've just done some reconfiguring of the seats on the bus, but we're still setting the bar really high in Atlanta and continuing with criminal justice and police reform in a responsible way.

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But why did she have to go? I mean, she was only on the job a few years. And I read that the average tenure of a police chief is very short. It seems like that turnover itself is not good. For trying to accomplish the goals that, you know, we're all trying to accomplish, it seems to me like there's a there's a part of the left that just won't accept anything except perfection. And I don't know any perfect people.

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Well, with Chief Shields, it was a little different. She had been a part of the police force for over twenty five years, and she had been the assistant police chief. She was the police chief under my predecessor. And I've been in office three years now to two and a half, three years now. And she was my police chief. So her tenure was a bit longer. What was unusual was that I didn't come in and replace the chief immediately because that's what's happened with the past several mayors we've had in Atlanta.

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But I wanted the opportunity to get a feel for my entire cabinet and probably and I'm just thinking of the numbers are probably now have one or two people left over from the previous administration. So that was the extraordinary part about her tenure as my chief. OK, can I ask you about something else?

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Can I ask you about I know you had coronavirus, but you're OK. And now I don't know what the school situation in their Atlanta is. I mean, that's something they're wrestling with in all the cities of the country. Are the kids going back to school? And if they do now that parents are somewhat going back to work, how is that going to work?

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Well, today was our first day in my household with virtual learning, and it was a disaster. I have four kids, one starting college, one of the three who were supposed to be in school today. I could only get one logged in. So the only thing that went according to plan was that I had lunch ready at the same time that I made breakfast this morning. So this is going to be an adjustment. It was a very stressful day, but that's what people are experiencing all across America.

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Atlanta public schools have decided to go for nine weeks virtual and then reassess at the end of nine weeks. Nobody ever thought that we would be in this spot when we came out of school in the spring. We all assume that our kids will be going back immediately when school resumed. But here we are in August and we're no better off than we were last spring.

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Wow. Well, I hope things get better. I'm glad you got better, Keisha. Madame Mayor, I'll try both. And I really thank you for joining us. And boy, you're right, challenging times, but good luck with what's ahead.

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I love you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to join you. OK, thank you. All right. Here's our panel.

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The Democrat, the former Democratic presidential candidate and former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, Pete, a judge and the former Democratic presidential candidate whose foundation Humanity For recently launched an initiative to provide people with a thousand dollars a month for three months. Andrew Young, wow.

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It's great to see you. It's great to see you, too. Yeah, we were beaming together. Yeah, I'm not that dissimilar. You know, I'm so, so excited to have both you guys on and together, sort of. And I guess the last time most Americans saw you previously on Real Time, you know, it was the debates and you guys were on the debate stage. And now we're heading into the presidential debates and vice presidential debates.

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I got to ask first about this debate thing. It's just a terrible way to do it, isn't it? I mean, it doesn't really advance anybody's knowledge of anything except who can come up with zingers and put downs. And whoever is the winner is not the winner on substance. I think we just got to find a different way to do it. And I really I'm not looking forward to these debates because I don't think it favors what Biden is selling, which is substance.

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Anybody? Well, I called the debates a reality TV show at some point during the debate, and I said it was one reason why Donald Trump became president in 2016.

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So TV was an innovation in the 60s.

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And we started having these televised debates, which ended up changing politics and media and technology have advanced a long way since the sixties. We should have a different modern day debate that takes advantage of the fact that you can ask someone a question and then get an answer and you could compare them side by side in a debate setting, essentially by playing clips back like The New York Times did. I think there are many interesting things we could do to compare candidates on the substance instead of turning it into a zinger match to your point, Bill.

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OK, yeah, he definitely felt that pressure all the time to just come up with good television, which may not shed any light, but I'll see if there's ever a time for these things to change. It's now I mean, you look at the conventions the same. The conventions have been roughly the same since, what, the 60s and now we're being reimagined. I don't think we're ever going to go back to the way conventions used to look even after the pandemic.

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And we get to see what we come up with this time to just update that that entire set up to to make it meet the reality.

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And, you know, to the point that debates are really a bunch of bullshit. I mean, we see that the vice presidential candidate now is Kamala Harris, who I think is a terrific choice. I'm guessing you guys do, too. But I mean, she her big debate moment was saying some stuff that was good television about the guy who she's now running on the ticket with, which is all forgotten because, again, it was all just theater and nobody really cared.

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OK, my next question, I don't want to do what the Fox News and I must say, sometimes the MSNBC people do, which is just ignore news that your team doesn't want to hear. And so Trump did a good thing or somebody the administration did big news today. Israel has had treaty with an Arab country, the United Arab. I'm sorry. Yes, the UAE, the Emirates. That's Dubai. Right. That's places where lots of people go for vacation now.

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I mean, there's some pretty highfalutin stuff going on in that part of the world that's on the Gulf. Of course, Trump lied and he said it's the first treaty Israel has had with an Arab country. That's not true. They made one with Egypt, which has stayed for a very long time. Jordan has stayed for a very long time. This is, to quote Joe Biden, the big fucking deal, or maybe it isn't. But I'll ask you, what do you think?

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You think this is a big deal? I think it's good news. I mean, there's no question that it's good news and we shouldn't let politics get in the way of that, it'll be especially important to see if there's real follow through on this backing off of talk around annexation, because that would have really destroyed any chance of the two state solution. So, you know, hard to tell, as usual, what role or credit is appropriate for the president.

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But, look, anything that adds peace or stability to that region, we shouldn't be afraid to say that's good news. Yeah, I agree. And you spend time in the region, but when something good happens, you have to call it out because you can't get in this trap or this mode where anything that Trump does is automatically bad. You know, Democrats need to have a clear vision for what we want to see in the world. And anything that moves that vision closer to reality is a good thing that we should applaud, regardless of who's in power when it happens.

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Right.

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And an Arab country like that, making a treaty with Israel, exchanging ambassadors, having normal relations, and that's a Gulf state, you know, that's the first time that's happened. I think that's going to be a big a big deal. And that part of the world, I mean, now that's three countries that that are have treaties with Israel. It's happening slowly. But the normalization of Israel in that part of the world, I think, you know, it didn't happen quickly, but it's going to happen because everyone realizes it's inevitable and they're not going anywhere.

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All right. Let me ask about the convention. Andrew, I heard today you are going to speak at it.

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Yes. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What happened that first at first you were not invited. And now now you are. What was that pressure from your young gang? Is that what you're saying? I think a lot of people were disappointed that I wasn't included in the original slate of speakers, Pete was there, of course. So glad to be joining Pete and others. And, you know, they made their disappointment heard. And the DNC did what I thought was the right thing, which is they announced a new slate of speakers, including me.

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I'm going to be there next Thursday when Joe receives the nomination. So thrilled to be a part of it, thrilled to help make the case for Joe and Carmela as who we need in the White House.

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Yeah, I mean, when I when I hear you two guys, it's just it's like, why can't America have that now? You know, I get it. You're a little too young for the country. Little to know. But man, people like you guys who are just problem solvers, who want to just fix stuff and get on with it and have the energy and not that's just not a good guy. And it's not because he's old, but, you know, he's kind of been around a while.

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I don't know if he understands the technology and a lot of some of the things that you guys understand better. Anyway, we all wish him luck. We got to take care of this guy.

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You know, let's get Donald Trump out of there and then we'll have our hands full trying to solve the problems that that is just building up for years.

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So, I mean, Biden's ahead, but he's not, to my view, comfortably ahead. Not from my comfort. I mean, Hillary was ahead by more at some point. And I just got to ask, what is your party doing against this walking disaster that you can't close the gap better than that? I read the other day, five point three million people have lost their employer based health insurance since covid hit. That could be 10 million by the end of the year.

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Republicans never had a plan for health care. Still don't. It's like, how could what what do you think it is that keeps the Republicans so close to a party like that? I mean, look, it's never just about policy. The policies of this administration are disaster leadership. This administration is a disaster. We know that.

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But still, I think there are a lot of folks who heard a message fraudulent, though it was a message that, you know, here is somebody who sees you and who cares about you. Now's our chance to change. And I think, you know, I think Joe Biden is really focused on making sure that we reach out because we've got a chance to draw more people into the Democratic Party than I think we've had at any point in my lifetime, precisely because the way this president is acting, you know, federal troops being brought in in a way that we're federal agents against protesters, an affront to any traditional conservative values as well as liberal values is a huge moment for us to grow the party.

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But, you know, the reality is we should never be comfortable, no matter how good the polls get. We've got to work every day to make sure that this is a success all the way up to Election Day. And then we've also got to be ready for the fact that on Election Day, we're probably not going to have final results. And after what we went through in Iowa, I very much know the impatience of wanting to get results on Election Day.

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But the reality is, is mail and voting goes the way it should and election officials are diligently doing their jobs may be days before we have results. And so we've got to be motivated all the way through that entire process.

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Is your party to to be captured by its far left fringe? Should it should it talk?

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I wouldn't say that, Bill, but I will say that when I was campaigning around the country, I said I'm running for president. And then someone would say, what party? And I said, Democrat. And you could see this this negative reaction oftentimes.

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And this is from truck drivers or waitresses or retail clerks that I thought the Democratic Party was fighting for or and the fact that our message is not reaching certain Americans. I think the Democrats need to do some soul searching and say, why is it why is it that so many people think the Democratic Party isn't speaking to them, isn't fighting for them, is patronizing them? I think the Democratic Party has a tendency to deliver a message in a particular way and then say, if you don't get that message, it's your fault.

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Instead, we should be going to people where they are and speak to them in a way that they appreciate and understand. I think Republicans, unfortunately, get that to a higher degree than Democrats do. And as a result, we're in danger of being perceived as this urban party or or the party of the educated elite. And that's what's created an opening for Republicans to make their case over the last number of years.

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Right. Because, I mean, economically, it does seem like you should be getting a lot more votes. I mean, and Andrew, you're your big proposal was a thousand dollars a month to everybody, which is sort of what the country has done during covid. I read the other day that poverty, the poverty rate, we all thought it was going to go up and it went down because everybody living or dead got a check for twelve hundred dollars and something turns out giving people money reduces poverty, Bill.

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And that's what we found out. And now seventy four percent of Americans are for cash relief during this pandemic in twenty, twenty, seventy four percent might as well be 98 percent. So this is something that Americans can all see. It's common sense. We have to get more money into people's hands to allow millions of families a path forward during this time when we've lost millions of jobs and they're not coming back, but we are just printing the money.

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I mean, you know, it is funny money, right? I mean, at a certain point, you do not worry that at some point with funny money, the whole thing comes crashing down and then we're all poor.

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Well, we need to do a better job of harnessing the gains of things like the Amazon trillion dollar stock market valuation that right now the American people are seeing zero of. If we got ourselves our tiny fair share of the hundreds of billions being generated by Amazon and being made off of our data every year, then we can start to pay for universal basic income and other measures that are necessary in this time. But right now, the house is on fire.

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We have to put the fire out now and the danger is really doing too little, not too much. I'm in despair, just like millions of Americans that our legislators went home without another stimulus deal. You know, you're looking at tens of millions of Americans who are facing eviction and desperation right now because our government could not get its act together and do the obvious in a crisis.

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Congresswoman, in a Presley tweeted last week, cancel. Student debt, canceled rent, cancel mortgage, that sounds pretty radical. Is that part of why Americans sometimes are skeptical because they think the Democrats are a little too radical? Or maybe that's not radical? What do you think, Pete? Well, I think it's radical to have relief for Americans, it doesn't mean you can just wave it all the way. But, you know, the reality is if we don't do something, a lot of people are soon going to be homeless.

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It's like, for example, we should at least extend this moratorium that exists on evictions. You know, for all the show that the president made of signing an executive order, it didn't actually do anything to provide that kind of relief. Right. The house is on fire and we need to take extraordinary measures to bring relief to ordinary Americans. We've already done it in the form of cash. It worked, although it would have worked better if we had acted more quickly.

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And, you know, over time we'll develop more ways to look out for the long run. But we got to do right now is just make sure people are OK.

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When you talk about pushing money out to people, you know, 10 years ago or 12 years ago, we printed four trillion dollars for the Wall Street banks and Americans. Remember that. So you see that we have the resources when it comes to Wall Street. Now, it's time for the American people to experience the same kind of, frankly, benefit that the big corporations have seen.

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I'm just wondering, you know, landlords are people, too, you know? I mean, my first apartment here, the guy only had four apartments. I don't know if you can't, we'll all rent a mortgage. I mean, I just think it's that's why I'm a little pie in guy's hands.

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So the landlord gets paid, too, and the small business owner and the garage and the grocery store and the mom and pop businesses that are going to shut otherwise.

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OK, so I read this week that Fox News is now the number one channel in primetime, not just among news channels, among all channels. That's that's pretty astounding from someone who remembers when TV was like nine channels that among all channels, including the entertainment ones. This is what people are watching. And I think it was. Sixty three percent of the people who get most of their news from Fox say that Trump has done an excellent job fighting covid, you know, when he loses the election, if he does, these people are not going to believe it.

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And I remember asking probably both of you I know asked you, Mayor, what are you going to do? And he doesn't go away. And back then, everyone was laughing me off. And now, of course, everybody's got to, like, say, yeah, what are we going to do? And and they've gone right to breaking it into the cake that he's not going to leave. And my point was always, we need to get people on the record now.

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Now you have to get the people on the record saying this can't happen. So what are your positions on that? Yeah, I mean, again, this is one of the reasons why we've got to hold his protectors and his enablers accountable. One of the extraordinary things happen, that Lafayette Square episode where he basically politicized the military was that military leaders who were involved realized that was wrong and apologized. Whether we're talking about our institutions like the military or whether we're talking about elected officials, everybody needs to make clear now that there needs to be that orderly and peaceful transition of power.

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You know, and a lot of people used to roll their eyes every four years from the inauguration is going on. And the commentators talk about the transition of power because it seems so you know, something we ought to be able to take for granted. But this president doesn't care about any Democratic or why would you care about this one? To me, the only real solution to that is to make sure that it's not even close to an election with this president shouldn't even be within arguing distance.

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It shouldn't even be within cheating distance.

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But shouldn't the Democratic Party be able to win by one vote, just like the Republican Party? Why? There's always two rules for these two parties. We shouldn't have to win big. This is America. We should just have to be able to win. One vote should do what Bush won by 537 in Florida and they gave it to him. I feel like the governor was right.

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I mean, look, I remember being in high school learning about the Electoral College and thinking, well, that's a that's a quirky thing. But if it ever actually overruled the American people, I'm sure they get rid of it the next day. It's happened twice since then. And if we want to call ourselves a democratic country, it's got to go now. The only way to do that is a constitutional amendment. But there's actually a compact circulating among the states.

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And if enough states sign on promising to give their electoral votes to the person who wins the popular vote, it'll have the same effect. We're not going to see that happen before November. One more reason why we've got to make sure it's not even close. But I do think these kinds of structural reforms that I made the case for my campaign, whether it's the Electoral College, whether it's making sure that our fellow Americans, US citizens in D.C., get a senator, making sure that Puerto Rico gets real political representation or some other basic reforms that we've got to do to our system in our courts.

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If we don't do that, then we're always going to be chasing her tail with election results. Just don't reflect what the American people actually believe. Yeah.

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Are either of you concerned about Kuhnen? If people don't know what that is, they're a crazy conspiracy theory group. They're the ones who think that Hillary Clinton was running a pedophile sex ring out of a pizza parlor in Washington, D.C. I mean, it's on that level. And now, you know, it started on the Internet. Then it migrated, of course, to right wing radio and stuff like that. And now we're seeing people, kuhnen people in Congress.

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Someone won the primary in Georgia. There's going to be a Republican congresswoman who's a and on person, they believe, a satanic ring of of, you know, pedophilia, pedophilia fans are running the world and reptilians and stuff like that. What do we do about that or can we do anything about that? One feature of the Internet and the way people are getting information now, Bill, is that negative sentiment and conspiracy theories now spread more virulently and effectively where if you remember and you you and I are old enough to remember the days before the Internet, if you had someone with some crackpot theory, they couldn't find someone else, you know, where the town square.

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Right. Or whatnot. But but but now they can connect with each other. And this is a feature. This is here to stay. This is something that we need to get our arms around as a society because it's going to get worse when you have deep fakes and you're able to present compelling videos of you, me and Pete doing things that we never did. And there's going to be this real question of what is truth in that kind of era, especially now when we're all sort of interacting via video.

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I mean, we take this video as as truth and we're having this conversation. But then, you know, if you can present another video that says something else. So this is something that to me is fundamental to a functioning democracy, that we are decades behind the curve in terms of regulating or figuring out or governing what the rules are in terms of hate speech online, in terms of the formation of various online communities. And it's getting more and more dangerous over time.

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It's only going to continue to get more dangerous as time goes on.

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I think there's one other thing I agree with all of that. I think there's one other thing going on with the conspiracy theories are actually nothing new. I mean, you go all the way back to the seventeen nineties and find conspiracy theories about the Illuminati. It's it's just something that that's part of America. What's unusual is for it to have this much power for a conspiracy group to have an ally in the White House or a member in Congress. But I think part of the appeal, especially right now, these groups, if you just look at the way they work, they're their little codes and stickers and logos is they're offering a kind of a kind of membership.

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I think they're speaking to a sense of belonging that people are looking for anywhere they can find. And if we don't build real sources of community, including right around us at a local level, then really dark and creepy and harmful things will come in to fill that void. And I think we're seeing that right now.

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Yeah, I think that's very true. Hey, I look forward in the years to come to watching you two guys fight it out with each other for the presidency.

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Me, me and Pete have a pact. Not really worry about it, Bill. I like it. Alliance now I'm on the Angang, OK?

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Whoever wins, I don't think we could lose. Thank you, guys. See you soon. Stay well, Bill. All right.

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Take care. OK, to no one's surprise, this is going to be the nastiest election ever, and I want to read you some quotes. These are real quotes from the president of the United States talking about what the world is going to be like if Biden got elected. He says Biden is following the radical left agenda. Take away your guns. No religion, no religion. Wow. No anything. No anything hurt. The Bible hurt God. He's against God.

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He's against guns. He's against energy.

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Trump says if I don't win the election, China will own the United States. You're going to have to learn to speak Chinese.

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And then he was talking about Biden's environmental plan, which involves saving energy in buildings. He said basically means no windows, no windows, no windows, no God, no anything.

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Well, so this is just the beginning. We got a hold of some of the things are going to say next week. Listen to this. Sesame Street will start teaching children gang signs.

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All public restrooms now will be transgender. Only cats will eat at the table and humans will drink milk out of a bowl on the floor. Wow. This Biden world is tough. Coal miners will be retrained as prostitutes. There will only be brown Eminem, married men will only be allowed to have sex with their wives.

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I think that was just for him that he may have the next James Bond will be Rupal. If Biden gets in, all bags will be banned and you'll have to go grocery shopping using your pants. And all the animals at the zoo will be replaced with paintings of lettuce. That's the world if Biden gets in. So make your choice now.

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All right.

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He is the best selling author and host of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, which airs on Fox Sports Radio and Premier Network's Colin Cowherd. How are you, sir? I am a big fan, longtime fan. Watch all the time. And I think we agree on a lot. And one thing I think I know you're on my page now because I hear you is a couple of months ago, I did a whole editorial about the inconsistencies about how we're handling coronavirus.

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And one of them was how come we can be on a plane, which is, you know, recycled air and we're sitting with one seat apart, although sometimes they don't even do that and wearing a mask. But we can't sit outside at a baseball game. And now I see Jerry Jones is coming along to our way of thinking. And he said, yes, we're going to have cowboy football and yes, our fans are going to be in the stands.

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Are we are we are we coming to our senses on that, you think? Yeah.

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Know, it's funny, Bill. So I'm in a restaurant a couple of weeks ago in Park City, Utah. I walk in with the mask, they take it off. I sit with friends and family next to six people at the next table and tables. Nobody has masks that's indoors with average ventilation. I can't go to Dodger Stadium, wear a mask, take it off in my seat, outdoors in the sun with wind, which is remarkable when you consider I'm not sure it's easy to contract outdoors.

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If it was, then California coastal cities would be overwhelmed. It seems that outdoors in the wind and sun is helpful. It doesn't thirty three thousand a cylinder at thirty three thousand feet.

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OK, it doesn't seem that's facts. That's science. They've studied it. They know that it's not nearly as contagious. Outside and outside is good for you. We should we should be fighting this by having better immune systems. Part of that is fresh air, sunshine, vitamin D. But I take your point because I've been to restaurants too, and then so ridiculous. You wear a mask to walk in. You have to wear the mask to walk in.

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You have to wear a mask to go to the bathroom. But why? You're sitting there eating no mask. Nobody has a mask on because the virus is like, oh, please, we're not going to jump in their mouth while they're eating. He's with people. We're a virus, not a monster. It's just so stupid.

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But it is in the inconsistency. I mean, it starts at the top. We don't I think sports commissioners, Bill, have done a better job than most governors. I'll give you an example. Adam Silver. So covid hits midseason, he loses his mentor, David Stern, passes away, suddenly kolby a global icon, tragic death. You have Kyrie Irving has a mini revolt, a star player saying we should not have the season, they lose two billion dollars in a deal with China because an NBA GM supports democracy.

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For protesters all that sit in for months, the aesthetic is outstanding. The quality of play has been excellent. The intensity is remarkable. They haven't had a positive test in a month.

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Well, they did it right. I mean, they're doing. The jury is in on who did it right and who did it wrong. Basketball did it right by having a bubble. Why did Major League Baseball not do that? Why are baseball teams flying around the country to empty stadiums?

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Well, the answer is in unions. So the baseball union, the players union is the strongest union. So when it was suggested to play in Arizona, Texas, the baseball players said, no, thank you. I will say this in support of baseball. Thirteen thousand tests point one percent positive. OK, these are twenty five year old guys, alpha males, millionaires like testosterone. OK, the birthright of being young is poor judgment. OK. Thirteen thousand tests flying all over the country and about a handful of guys were positive.

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OK, maybe they were at a hotel. They wanted to go to Applebee's. There were no tables available. Can we slow down? You know, like baseball guys, baseball has not done it as well. But the media is hyperventilating. Baseball's done OK. Yes.

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Well, they're also hyperventilating about the idea that young people, anyone can die from this. Of course anyone can die from this. Anyone can die from anything. Young people get cancer. Sometimes it's not the usual thing, but it happens. But we know basically the numbers here. I talked to one week about the USS Theodore Roosevelt. It's a ship of four thousand sailors. There was one death because basically when you're a healthy person, the terrain is difficult for the for the virus to make mischief in.

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Russell Westbrook, I heard one day he has it, you know, the breathless reports. And then like a week later I turn on the TV playing. He said he had his stuffy nose. Yes. Can I get you anything I can get you. But they're not honest about who mostly dies in this older people, of course, because they die more from everything and their immune system is more frail and obese people.

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The people I worry about sports wise with this NFL lineman. Yeah. Don't you agree that if the football plays those those three hundred fifty pound linemen, you could see some deaths there?

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Yeah, I talked to Andrew Whitworth, great lineman, about three hundred and fifteen pounds for the Rams two days ago on my show and he goes I get tested every now. So the the therapeutics bill, as we know with this virus have gotten significantly better. They've figured out ventilator use, turning people on their on their stomachs from their backs. There's different therapeutics being used. Andrew told me he got it. He was mostly asymptomatic. It is the question in the room that people are more concerned about.

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Now, we know the lung capacity of a three hundred and fifteen pound offensive lineman in the NFL is better than the three hundred and fifteen pound guy at Wal-Mart. We know that. Yeah, that's kind of a given. Right. But but I think it is it's the question I ask now in college, a lot of colleges don't want them to play because of fear of linemen. But the difference is NFL players have collectively bargained to take the risk and college players are unpaid.

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And to ask somebody unpaid to take a physical risk is crossing a threshold. The PAC 12 and Big Ten are comfortable. Well, yeah, so there's not going to be college football. I'm wondering let me ask you a semi political question here, because I think this could really affect Trump. But the fact that there's no college football, because I think a lot of people in this country are like, well, Trump, you know, you can kill granny and you can tank the economy.

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But you know what? Don't take away my football. If I can paint my face like it's Halloween and get blackout drunk at 9:00 in the morning in a parking lot and go watch 19 year olds give each other brain damage, you have just lost my vote. Do you think that's that actually could affect the election? Listen, we have two people running for president that are in their late 70s. I don't think it's the most dynamic presidential election of my life.

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I'm not sure how we got here. I think people in America, there's a referendum, bill, and they're going to vote against the sitting president, not necessarily for his challenger. I believe that to be true. I believe suburban housewives have turned. That's my guess. I don't think football would affect it. NFL will go on. It will make it through. I mean, again, they're going to have we're going have a lot of players test positive.

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Let's not freak out like they're not promising us in the NFL. They're not promising us. Nobody's going to test positive college football right now. Two conferences out, three in my guess is in a week they're all out.

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Yeah. And baseball, if I go back to that for one minute, I mean, they are flirting sometimes now with canceling their season because we've had teams that did get a lot of players sick, the Marlins, I think. And the Cardinals. Right. And then, you know, you have to go to basically the next man up. And, you know, it's a lot of scrubs playing. But I must I hope they don't cancel the season for any reason.

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I think it would be terrible for morale. I think I think somebody has to run the flag up and say we're the can do people. We played sports during World War Two, you know, during World War Two, the Steelers in football, I'm sure you know this. And the Eagles, the two Pennsylvania teams combined to make one team, the Eagles. That's what they said, because there's an emergency on and we're just going to get through it.

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Ted Williams probably would have hit eight hundred homers if he didn't have to fight in two wars. We're the can do people. We don't quit. We keep playing. Don't you think that's important?

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Well, Bill, if you really look at what's worked here, UFC Dana White, aggressive, rented it in Ireland, NASCAR aggressive. We're going for it. Golf early, no fans. We're going for the people that have bulldozed through social media, fear mongering, the people who have been steadfast in their beliefs, those sports and those leagues of work. If you're going to sit around and worry about what they say on Twitter, you're there's there's a lot of fear porn.

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You're in big trouble. And so, Dana White, NFL, NFL. Bill, you know this, those owners want to season. We're going to have a season.

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What do you think? Speaking of Twitter, what do you think of Popovich, Gregg Popovich standing? It's interesting. You know, we went from, like for only a year ago. I mean, almost nobody was kneeling. I remember when that issue first came up and I said, well, given the history of this country, it wouldn't be such a bad idea if everybody in the stadium, all the fans kneeled, too. I mean, and now that's kind of what's happening.

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Everybody's kneeling. And Gregg Popovich has impeccable liberal credentials. He he just said, look, I just made the decision. At the moment, everyone was kneeling, but they played the anthem. And I just felt like standing. And I thought, yeah, you know what? You can do both things.

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You can say Black Lives Matter and I love my country. And how about just you? Do you all do me? We don't want to do all the same thing at the same time all the time. Well, your resume should matter, OK?

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LeBron James did not put Black Lives Matter on his jersey. He didn't give us an answer. Why he he has equity in this republic. Isn't it nice that your resume matters and you're not judged on a singular photo on social media? Right. You know, I've I've never talked about this, but I've always had this feeling that all sports asks something of us. Baseball asks us, no clock, be patient. It'll take a while. Football, football asks us.

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There's a regulated level of violence. You have to be comfortable with some of it. And the NBA with LeBron James asks us, there are social causes in the black community that we care about and will wear a t shirt or we may kneel. And that's OK, I opt in on that now. I don't think we should be arrogant, let's not be naive, kneeling doesn't land the same for everybody. You're a talk show host. I am.

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You say something on the air, it lands completely different, it's not contextualized on social media and you can't believe what's happening with the click bait, right? So that kneeling to me lands as police reform and social justice. Right. Not for everybody, but it's OK. You know, I think you may have talked about this. If we're demanding growth from people, you can't simultaneously demand perfection. Right. Drew Brees was tone deaf, but that's OK, because then then his teammates, he discusses this and he goes, OK, I was tone deaf.

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That's what growth is, Bill. It's making mistakes, the ability to make mistakes. Too often now we want perfection and growth and they can't coexist.

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Right. And as I've said many times, you can hate Trump. You can't hate all the people who like him. It's just too many people, you know, and and they have issues, too. All right, listen, I got to cut it off there, but that was great to talk to you. I'm going to keep watching you, and I hope we do it in person soon. Thanks, God.

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I was ready for your marijuana questions, Bill. I'll tell you, I was ready. I've got files on now. Let's do that. And then when we see each other personally, sometimes I'll hook you up, man. All right, Bill. Thank you. OK, time for new everybody. No jewels, no backyard additions. Once again, Darryl, instead of arguing whether to shut down Tic-Tac or by ticktock or band tick tock, let's skip ahead 10 months to the part where we're like, hey, everyone used to use Tic TAC.

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Oh, jeez, life is so much better now that we're unclick dick.

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Neuro quarantine parents have to admit there's nothing they wouldn't do, no place they wouldn't go to get just one hour away from the kids. And before you argue with that, let me remind you, you're eating lunch out of a plastic box on a piece of Astroturf in a Glendale parking garage.

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Well, Jeffrey Epstein must be reanimated so we can ask him two questions one. Who were your guests on Sex Island? And to why was the one road called Ghislaine?

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Zero, while we're discussing white privilege, let's talk about the lack of diversity in background music, in stores, elevators and on hold. Peter Satara hasn't had a hit since nineteen eighty six. Unless you're in CBS, then it's like nobody else has had a hit since nineteen eighty six. Have you heard Kenny Jr.'s new album you have? If you've been in an elevator just once, I'd like to hear a service representative will be right with you. Until then, enjoy Cardi B's wet ass pussy.

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Now, when it comes to popping the question, keep it simple. Last week, a man in the U.K. set up 100 candles to create the perfect setting to propose to his girlfriend, then left to pick her up and bring her back for the big surprise. Oh, it was a surprise. But happily, she still said yes. And they're planning to spend their honeymoon in Pompei. And finally, new rule, be careful what you apologize for. Last week, Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively apologized for having their wedding eight years ago at a plantation in South Carolina, and while I'm sure we could all do better in being aware of the presence of racism, including in the past.

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If this is the new role, it's going to be hard to go to a lot of places in the South. It was kind of one big plantation. And not just the south, the stock exchange is two blocks from New York's first slave market and in nineteen ninety one, construction on a new building in lower Manhattan unearthed a massive slave burial ground from the 17th century. Among the businesses that stand over that ground today are a dance studio and a ballet academy.

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So people are literally dancing on those graves because America. America is poltergeist. We're all six degrees from genocidal assholes. If we start turning history into a big game of guilt by association, it never ends. Are we really going to make everyone apologize for standing somewhere that humans used to stand when they were even more barbaric than they are now? Ryan Reynolds said of his wedding, It's something will always be deeply unreserved and unreservedly sorry for, and it was a giant fucking mistake.

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He had the Green Lantern was a giant fucking mistake. This was you got married at a beautiful venue you saw on Pinterest. Look, every wedding, every funeral, every slip inside on this bloodsoaked land is inappropriate, the country itself is named after a slave trader named Americo. We can't just pack up our government and pretend none of this country ever happened. Here's a crazy idea, let's live in the present and make the future better. Of course, tear down statues of Confederate traitors, but in San Francisco, protesters tore down one of Grant because Grant was once gifted a slave who he then freed.

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OK, not a perfect score, but Grant was the guy who kicked the asses of the other statues you've been tearing down, you know, while they were alive. And good fight back. A little braver, I'd say. There's even a drive to remove a statue of Lincoln at the University of Wisconsin because as one student put it, I just think he did, you know, some good things, but the bad things he's done definitely outweighs them.

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Yeah, I wish I had been raised with the kind of self esteem parents give their kids these days, where you can think that when it comes to accomplishments and racial justice, you're just a little bit better than Abraham Lincoln. Washington and Jefferson are also up for cancellation because they owned slaves and being a product of your time. That's not an excuse anymore. But if that's the case, if being a product of your time is no longer an excuse. What I have to say about this guy.

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And his dad, he was really strict and neither one of them had any problem whatsoever with slavery, the Confederacy used the Bible to justify their cause because it has plenty of passages from both testaments to back them up. Slaves obey your earthly masters. Slaves be obedient to your human masters. Slaves submit yourself to your masters. You see a pattern. If we're going to be consistent, I think we're going to have to cancel God. Jesus himself says at one point in the Bible, the servant who knows the master as well and does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.

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Thanks, son of God. Would you let those words slide if it was somebody's tweet today? Jesus did heal a slave once, but not to free him, to get him back working because this is how slavery was back then, they didn't see it as a problem because no one did. And if you had been back there, you wouldn't have either.

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You're not better than Jesus or Ulysses S. Grant. You just came later. But I got to say that Jesus, you know, being God and all really should have known better to when he comes back to judge the living in the dead. I say he's got a lot of explaining to do, like, hey, you are always performing miracles instead of the bar tricks with the loaves in the wine. Why didn't you zap the chains off a slave with all the preachings in the sermons on Mount's?

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Why not one time throw in a little. Oh, and this whole people owning other people thing. That's not right. But no, nada. On the subject of slavery, Jesus says sweet fucking Paul. So first thing when he gets back is we're going to need an apology and I mean a real apology plan, any of this I'm sorry if my condoning of slavery caused offence and then I think rehab would be in order and also sensitivity training. Oh, and he can forget about hosting the Oscars.

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OK, that's our show. I want to thank my guests, Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, Pete booted, Judge Andrew Yang and Colin Cowherd. We'll be back next week from the yard. Thank you, folks. Catch all new episodes of Real Time with Bill Maher every Friday night at 10:00 or watch him any time on HBO. On demand for more information, log on to HBO Dotcom.