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The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts.
Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde and Jesse Blake.
Let's go.
Hi. Look at that. Look at that. Hey, I just want to say, let's keep the Movember thing going. My goal is 2,500 bucks.
What are we at?
I zipped up over a thousand last.
Night because of everybody goodness.
So thank you. That was enormous.
Some.
Some of the messages were hilarious too. Like just. Some people would just read. We like 4, 20, 69.
What messages?
Because when you make a donation, you can message. Okay, so like for instance, you like.
Leave a message on the page or something.
Yeah, so.
So you can tell I haven't donated.
Yeah. So Matthew said, Steve's right. We're better than this. From Baltimore, a Rangers fan who loves sdpn. Hell yeah. This is another one from Oliver.
Cheers.
From Montreal. Another one. Good luck on you reaching your goal. Another one, shout out to you from Vegas. Go nights. That's from Jameson. And you know what? I love the American donations because it's like, let's do it. If you donate in Canadian dollars, right? It's like 60 cents on the dollar.
Oh, you're like 30% better of a person.
Yeah, 100%.
That's how it works.
No, no, no. They just.
These aren't funny enough.
You want.
Not enough. There's not enough balls. Balls.
I tried to donate yesterday from bed, but I just got a. You ever have that thing where you get a new credit card and it changes the three numbers on the back and I don't know it. Okay, so that's why I haven't been able to donate yet. And I'm upset because I had a banger of a comment. It said, nice mustache. Where'd you get it? The toilet store.
Oh.
And it didn't work. Oh. And you.
So in that moment, you were too lazy to get up and go get your.
That's correct, yes.
Steve, you couldn't do like Apple Pay, or if you're paying from your phone, just kind of tap on the side.
No, no, Steve, Steve.
Also, because I want it to be a business expense.
I want.
Ah, there we go.
Steve still has not made his hundred dollar donation that he was just talking about. And. No.
But maybe I'll be the one gets you over.
Here's one that did. I got an anonymous donation. We don't know who this mysterious person is, but you may be able to figure it out from the message they left.
Oh.
And the person said, good content, Good dude, I don't know. I don't think I'm going to be able to figure it. Figure that out. But that's what your wife.
Was it you?
It was not my wife. It was not me, either. I don't know.
I think we've exhausted the list of people who make good contact.
Dude, maybe your mom.
Devin. Devin messaged. Devin gave a hundred bucks, and he said, you're beautiful no matter what, my man. Damn.
It's good, but also implies there's reason to believe you're not beautiful.
And how do you know that? It wasn't Devon.
It's Devin. I n. Oh, okay.
So you do know.
Could be Devin.
Like a Devin Ox.
Devine.
Yeah. Davine Devine. Could be.
Yes. Do you remember Davina from selling Sunset?
No.
She sucked.
We could just unlock something in Maddie. The worst.
Oh, my God. From Maddie.
She might be the worst character in reality TV show history.
Easily.
Yeah. Like. Yeah. Terrible.
Easily.
So, anyway, I just want to say, please keep donating to our Movember page as we. It's the drive for 2500.
Rub it. Rub it on the microphone. Oh, yeah.
Kind of hear it.
Mm, no, rub it harder.
No, I can't rub it.
Get in there.
Hear the static.
Well, it doesn't.
Yeah, here. Yeah, here. Do I take one more time? Yeah.
No, no, take the mic sock off.
Oh, yeah, you can hear it. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. It is good stuff.
Yeah, it's great content. I looked at it yesterday on the show, and it was a little heavy on this side, so I'd trim it back a little, and now it's a little more balanced. Right.
Heavy is the head that wears the mustache. Yeah, heavy, as they always say.
Or heavy is the head in my case. Just.
You know what?
I saw it, by the way, The New York jets fired their general manager today, and he's a bigger guy, and somebody. The first comment on the post was his head's got to be £30. I can relate to that.
Anyway, sorry with Isla, who, unfortunately for her, has half my jeans. She has. They said, like, she's, like, 50th percentile. Like, she's right middle of the pack for body. But they said her head is in the 80s.
Oh, nice.
Well, it's making life difficult for her.
There you go.
Because you just see her trying to sit up.
And now I also want to mention Coconut Kingston front knacks tickets are on sale.
That's cute. It is cute.
It's nice.
Every day I wake up, she's still a baby.
Sunday, December 8, STP Kingston Front. Next night, Sarnia Sting. Are Going down. They're going down. So we're going to watch the game, but we are going to do the pregame skate, if you want to participate in that.
Here. Wait, more like Sarnia stink.
Oh, yeah, there it is.
Unless they want to do an event.
With us, Steve, Adam, Jesse and the most important character, Barrack the bear with a photo op on the ice. And then, of course, if you just want to do the game and the game and podcast bundle. Either way, you're going to the Caesar Company. You're going to get a meal voucher. There is a list of food that you could pick from.
The Caesar company is different. Right? Like, we haven't been there.
We have not been to the Caesar company.
No.
Okay. Someone asked me that and I was like, I'm pretty sure it's different.
We have not been.
But I will check with the adults. And the adults just confirmed.
So yes, different.
And the menu options, I'm going to pull that up. You can get surf tacos. Okay.
Early front, you can get.
And I know what Steve's going to get. Chicken fingies.
Ah. If surf tacos are there, I might get those.
And I love this one. Not your average smash. So smash burger two 3o smash cheeseburger patties, thick cut jalapeno maple sp. Smoked bacon lettuce, tomato, onion pickle, housemade Thousand island sauce topped with onion rings and a side of fries.
That.
That is a. Yes. All freaking day.
Thousand Islands is just Big Mac sauce.
Yes.
Or Big Mac sauce is just. Yeah. So that's going to be delicious.
See, I don't. I feel like if I have that before our show, it'll just be you and Jesse talking and I'll be asleep.
Have it after.
So. Yeah.
Oh, have it after the show.
Man.
I.
That's a burger you eat with a knife and fork. Or at least I would.
Yeah. Oh, but it's got jalapeno, though.
Yeah.
Maybe it'll keep me up.
No, I don't think the jalapeno keep. Because. Because it's too heavy.
Heavy. But then you add the spice to it. That's. That's three strong options.
Yeah. And remember, it's the Caesar Company. So what do they specialize in? Caesars.
Oh, it's not salad.
No, it's Caesar drink. Delicious. Anyway, you can buy the tickets right now in the Kingston front next door or you just click the link in the description of this video or audio wherever you're watching or viewing. Uh, we have the video and audio there as long along with my mo Space So front next. That is just over two weeks away, which is pretty cool. Getting into the show. And just a reminder that we're doing Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday this week because we have a Steve going to Halifax this weekend.
Steve decided to big time us and fly out for a weekend to sign some books. Hey.
Or are you guys not coming?
Yeah.
Are your publishers not paying for you to go?
Sorry. Yeah, maybe next time. We try to sell three books at once. Once and then like all three.
Adam, what's your book gonna be about?
Oh, I don't know. I would do like. I would do the. The Easy Way Out. I'd do like a children's book or something like that. So it's like only 20 pages.
I don't think that's so easy.
It's not easy. The animation is the hard part. Right.
And you're not doing it.
Oh, yeah, no, no. I'd hire somebody for that. I'd partner with somebody.
So which part of the book are you doing?
I'm doing the. The part that the kids care the least about, which is the writing. You're asking me. Listen. You're asking me what I would do. That's what I would do.
You'd write a kid's book?
Yes.
Okay. What would your kids book be about?
I be about hockey. It would be about, I think.
Oh, good. They don't have any.
I'm not gonna say, because I have an idea for a children's hockey book that I would like to try one day. And I don't want. I don't wanna. I don't want to give it away because I feel like it's a million dollar idea. It's probably like if I took it to Harper College, they'd be like, yeah, okay, cool, man. Well, sure, we'll call you back. But you've.
You've written a forward.
I. But I'm a published author, Jesse, so.
Yes.
Yeah. So that's. I would do children. What would you. What would your book be?
Is it weird that I have a favorite children's book?
No.
What's your favorite?
Currently or.
Yeah, like, currently.
Yeah, no, that's a bit.
There's a book series called the Day the Crayons Went on Strike. And like, it makes me cry when I think about it and I read it. It's about. It's about a box of crayons going on strike because they're mad at one of the other crayons. And then they all, like, they all pick it and they all have their little reasons for why they're Picketing the yellow ones. Like I no longer want to be the sun. You keep drawing me as the sun. So I'm going on strike and it's just a book and then they all eventually come off a strike. But I love the book.
So. So basically that's a book for Alan Walsh, union strong man.
Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. I think Alan wrote it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But Gary with his triple crayon cap.
I'm gonna write a 3,000 word think piece about why that book is anti union propaganda.
Yeah, probably.
I saw it in a bookstore when we were in Cape Cod over the summer. It was amazing.
That's very cool. I did not know that book existed.
You should get it for your kids. I. Maybe I'll buy it for your children.
There we go.
There was a Bernstein Bears car race book that I made my parents read over and over and over and over as a kid. That was my favorite.
Big Bear and Steam Bears kid.
Yeah.
Leo's really big in the Canadian Alphabet and the Toronto Alphabet. There's these books that. Oh, A is for ago, B is for the Blue Jays.
It's weird that they didn't make one for Ajax.
They should do. You know what, Adam? Maybe that's my third book. Thanks. Great idea. Maybe I'll fly to Halifax for that too. You freaking piece of Halifax.
F is for far away.
And is for not close.
I'm getting.
It's much closer than. Than what you used to do. And it's much easier to go visit Steve. So getting into the show, I just want to quickly mention that Austin Matthews is in Germany this morning.
Yeah.
So there is.
We're going to burn.
Burn said yesterday concern up that the condition hadn't gotten better, but it hadn't gotten worse. And he's worked. Matthews has worked with this doctor. McDavid's worked with this doctor. So I'm assuming, according to C.J. that it's not like a crazy deal, but this is. He's been accompanied by a team doctor because remember, the team gets the ultimate choice over your health. But what's the team really going to say? No, Austin, we don't want want you to do that.
What is the injury?
I don't know. Still don't really know.
So remember last year when John Klingberg flew all the way to Sweden and it essentially ruined his career? Well, I'm guessing it's not that one.
This is this going over to Europe to talk to doctors is actually fairly more common than we know in pro Sports. Like Christian McCaffrey is the most famous One that just happened. He had a weird knee injury over training camp, and then he didn't start the season. And during the time where he was trying to recover, he went over to, I think it was Germany as well, to go see a specialist there. And it happens fairly often in baseball. There's a doctor in America who's a Tommy John specialist, but for some of the more obscure baseball injuries, they go over to Europe as well, like it's a thing. Because there are doctors around the world, and these people are million dollar investments, hundreds of millions of dollars. These athletes, their bodies are worth. You can fly around the world to go visit the best doctor, the best specialist who's trained in these areas. So I'm not. This isn't. We shouldn't freak out because he went to go see a specific doctor.
No, no. And.
But, I mean, it does raise my eyebrows that he's on another continent.
Well, Steve, what's the difference between that and yarn crook going to New York? Like the idea that hours and hours, thousand kilometers. The idea that all the best doctors are somehow available in North America is such a.
You don't think they are.
I said everything I said right now.
Both of them.
I said everything.
I said, patriotic piece.
And then you said he might have.
To spend a few more hours on the plane.
So. So what?
What about everything? My concern, as always, is commuting.
Steve, what about everything I just said?
No, Jesse, listen. It's 2024. I don't need to listen to the evidence you put in front of me.
Yes. And I want to say it doesn't.
Need to change my opinion.
Jesse, as a man who's been to therapy before.
Yeah.
You know that speaking sense to anxiety is impossible. You can't. You can't pull somebody out of an anxious spiral by giving them reasons. That's not how anxiety works.
And Steve, I still need to sue the makers of Inside Out.
Steve, this morning is feeling anxious about Austin being in Germany. And what's interesting about that. Okay. Because even if you are feeling that, because I think there are some people that are like, I think it's interesting because the Leafs have been really great without him.
Yeah.
Why. Why not go get the best specialized treatment? Why not. Hey, man, if, let's say they play this well and he's not back till January, I do we care.
Okay, let's. Let's not go throwing that out there. First of all, and he's.
And he's back fully healthy.
My. My reaction to this is completely different from my reaction to David Campf. Which is. Yeah, they're not playing any games right now. It's okay. Just rest him. Call it Mitt and see how he does. Woo.
I mean, Camp is a bit less of a player on the team bullshit. Yeah, like he's.
He could catch Austin.
They call him old 60 goal camp for a reason.
Matthew scored more than Camp's number last year.
What did Christian McCaffrey get Jesse when he went to Germany? It was like some sort of a plane ticket. Like what did he. When he went over there? There was some sort of special treatment that was like not available here.
Right. I don't know the specific treatment.
Stem cell or something.
I don't think he got Steve. Stem cell? No.
He didn't get the, the Christopher Reeve south park tree?
No, no.
Okay.
What's. What's that blood thing where you spin the blood really fast?
Transfusion.
Oh, no.
What?
No, there's. There's this treatment where they take your blood.
Yes, I know.
Spin it in like a super spinner thing and then they put it back in you.
Platelet rich plasma.
Yes.
Yeah, I don't know if it's that it helps heal injuries. They say.
I know people who have gotten it.
You can get that done here. Oh yeah.
Maybe that should answer my question.
You know, I don't know if I.
Know people who have gotten it.
I think the thing is that the Leafs are going to have to deal with the fact that players get injured. And it is as it has been the last few games, going to have to be Austin out, other guys step up and they've done a good job of that.
Did you see the report today that supposedly Craig Berube has spoken to one Mitchell Marner about playing center?
I didn't see that.
Yes, very, very interesting. And you know what?
What do you think, guys? What's. Who's a better center? Neither.
Thank you for listening to the show, Mr. Craig. I just appreciate it. He's catching up. He listened to our shows from. I think it was September and he's finally all caught up.
Here are the lines according to David Alter from today this Morning.
Got it.
McMahon. Tavares Marner. Nice. Domy Nylander. Robertson. Minton Holmberg.
Nice. Domi Nylander.
Yep.
Oh, so Domi in the middle. Okay, sorry.
Robertson. Minton Holmberg.
Robertson on the left for I believe the first time this season.
Dewar Lorenz at center. Steve's at right wing.
Lawrence at center is not something he has done. So you have two guys on Wednesday who are going to play center for the Leafs for the first time and.
Mitten's done a great job.
Well, sorry, first time this season.
Mitten did a great job in the AHL when he was there for four or five games. So yes, they're excited about that, that. But this feels like this Vegas game feels like the perfect time to try stuff. This is the try stuff part of the year where you go, hey, let's try stuff. So in the playoffs, if something happens to, I don't know, our best player and he can't play until game seven, we have other stuff that we've tried.
Kyle Kushman, by the way, who's just so good at basically everything, but actually Leaf prospects don't know him. Fraser Mitten has won his five on five minutes, six to two and has a Marlies high 4.25 shots per game. He's been really good coming back from injury. A deserving recall. Hey, good news. Okay, we love that. We love that. It's lovely. Hooray. And I like that they have like a kid line.
Yeah, it's fun, isn't it?
It's fun.
I think, whatever. Like at the end of the day, it's one game against Vegas in November. Not that Vegas isn't a good opponent opponent, but wouldn't you say good opponents are a great thing to test well against?
I hope you remember what you're saying right now. If they end up stinking the bed.
Well, this is the thing like you're going to learn on Wednesday, good or bad. And I think if it is a loss, it might be one of those losses where you go, all right, well, we learned to me.
And if things go really well, like if it's just a game against Vegas in November, if things go really well or if things go really bad, you have to temper your, your hype around it.
I mean, it's, it's, it's a game of moments and it'll depend on individual performances. To me, if the Mitten line stinks, what am I going to be? You guys cost from the game, you useless pieces of crap. Well, if you know Marner Tavares, nice. Cost them the game with a stupid play. I'm going to be a little harsher because what the hell, you guys are supposed to be leading the way. There's also the possibility they might win. So I'm going to hold out hope that that's what happens. I'm excited to see Mitten. I'm. I didn't really have any inkling that camp was hurt, so.
No, it doesn't seem like at all.
No and ir. So Jesse, maybe you know more about this than I do. IR is based on like the amount of time you have to spend on IR is based on days or games played or both.
Regular IR is seven days. Just that's. It doesn't matter how many games.
So I'm pretty sure this means camp is going to miss. If it's retroactive to the 16th, he might only miss one game.
Yeah. Cause the 16th a week is because they play Sunday, not Saturday against Utah.
Right.
So I assume. So what's the 16th?
He's gonna miss a maximum of two games.
Yeah. There you go. So it'll be. If he's good by the Monday, he'll be back. So. Yeah.
Okay. Well, there you go.
They're.
They're in a great position and you know, I, I keep looking at it from this point.
Oh no, the 16th was last Saturday. So he could play. So he could play Sunday.
So he's missing one game.
Yeah, he's missing Wednesday and then he's eligible to come back on the 24th.
Hilarious.
Yeah.
So we're trying to look at this glass half Full producer Drew naturally was like, I hope you remember all this time off when they're playing a thousand back to backs in the dog days in March.
Yeah.
And it's like, thanks Drew. Are they great to. Great to speak to you? No, they're just playing a thousand back to backs for the rest of the season. Basically right after these two weeks.
Okay.
Well, you know, March is not March. Sorry. December is packed.
Perfect time for you to sign a bunch of books. Right? I think I agree.
I listen, we're doing a shitload of signings. I think I still have nine more. And then after the signing in Burlington on the 15th, shutting it down until the spring.
The Leafs lead the league in back to backs this season.
Cool.
Do you know how many they have?
16.
They have 16. They are tied with Carolina, who also has 16. No other team even has 15. Oh, Montreal has 15. And then a whole host of them have.
With eastern teams getting all the back.
To backs, we're closer.
Yeah. Winnipeg is the least amount of back to backs. They have eight.
Yeah, but they're also like in the middle of the NHL map. They're in the middle of nowhere. Unless they play Minnesota 10 times, they're. They're in the middle of nowhere.
I just think it's worth noting that a team has double the amount of back to back.
I think it's worth noting that Leafs management has complained about this and not been able to get anywhere and you wonder where's. Listen, if there's anything that you want Shannon to be able to do, it's have some pull with league head office. He worked there, right?
Yeah.
I remember one year they had 18 back to backs and they lost most of them. It was like a Babcock year and he kept starting. Was an unstartable Garrett Sparks in the back half of the. Yeah, like so. Yeah, it was just. Yeah, it was rough. So with that, I think we leave the Leafs for now because there's not much. There's nowhere to go here. It's. Matthews is clearly not going to be back until at least next Sunday. Probably not even then.
Most likely after the V. Utah game.
Yeah, you got a. You got a Vegas test on Wednesday. We can talk a little bit more about that tomorrow. But I look at this and I go, okay, well it sounds like a mid season game. And you know what, it's nice to be able to say that once you get out of the first 10, 15 games, then you're mid season until the last 10, 15 games. And I like mid season.
That's a great way to look at it because.
Because midseason is like, okay, we're going to try this and we're going to go, oh, this team's on a crazy three week run and they still might not even make the playoffs. You just never know, right, that this is where we're at. This is the glut of the season. And I like that. I like that rhythm that we get into. Get ready for punk drop at bet. Mgm, the official sports betting partner of the NHL in Canada. In Canada, by the way. Hey, listen, tonight, tonight, tonight we could finally see Crosby's 600th NHL goal.
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And then.
And then what? Steve freaking hurts his knee. I know we all made too much.
Of a deal about a thing that we like. We, the hockey gods heard us and they said, ha.
How bad though?
How bad did he hurt his knee? Yeah, I guess we'll see week to.
Week is what they said.
Oh, yeah. He had 15 goals in 18 games. And by the way, my fantasy team is about to suffer because not only do I have Ovechkin, but I also have on one of the McMichael Enstrom.
Oh, that's so.
That sucks.
Get out of here, man.
I think. I think it's. It's. Listen, what's amazing is that at 39 years old, the goals are going in like that. And Dan Riccio had a tweet. Dan Riccio, who works at Sportsman in Vancouver, said, forget breaking Gretzky's record. Obi's chase has a new twist. Can he do it in fewer games than the Great 1, 894 goals in 1487 games for Gretzky, 8. 66 in 1443 for Ovechkin. That is, if he scores 29 more goals in the next 44 games, he'll hit 8. 95 in fewer games and 29 in 44 is a very Ovechkin. It's doable thing to do.
Hard, but doable. Hard, but that is doable. What I the threshold I want to see OV get over. And he's not going to be able to do it until next season. So he's going to break the goals record.
Yep.
And you'll. You can't poke a hole in that. It's the goals record. He has the most goals all time, except he leads the NHL all time in empty net goals. So there's going to be the all time goals record and then there's going to be goals on a goalie and he. I think he's beating Gretzky by like 20 in that category. Keep going, Alex. You're playing until you're 50. Dance. We need to see it.
Do you know how much it is?
I looked it up recently. Gretzky somewhere in the 40s. Ovechkin somewhere in the 60s.
Okay. So he has to beat Greg Gretzky's record by like 20. If he's 20 up on empty netters or something like that.
Yeah.
Okay. I think he can do that play one more season. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I don't even think that's a conversation. Like, if he plays next year, he should have the most goals on a goalie.
This is, this is what we need. We need the all time record. And then after that, we're going to need something else to pay attention to.
That 900 is. Is the next. I think after that.
Yeah, we got to, we got to come up with new milestones.
That's what I'm saying. Like 900 be the next one where it's like, holy shit, first ever person to get 900. Then we do professional. Because what's Gretzky's professional?
I think it's 1070 something. A. Oh, that's.
That's a little steep.
Yeah. But then, so this, this was something that I wanted to do for hockey rants and raves. And I was just like, this is too messy. Like, do Ovechkin's Super League, like Russian Super League goals count from when he was a teenager? His KHL goals from the lockout should surely count.
Yeah, 100%.
I think he might already have them beat.
Right.
Because.
Okay, so interesting. Gretzky had 1072 professional goals, and that is NHL regular season, NHL playoffs. Wha. Regular season. Wha. Playoffs.
Okay, and then do you have. Can you do Ovechkin plus KHL plus playoffs?
Oh, good question.
Yeah, because you counted Gretzky's playoffs. So do OV plus playoffs plus khl.
I got it.
I got it. So you work on Ovechkin, because I got another guy who I think should be brought into the conversation.
Yeah, okay, well, don't.
Don't wait on me.
Oh, no, I thought you had it.
Okay, well, here's who might have to.
Pull a pocky to be for that.
Here's who muddies the waters there. Jaromir Yogur.
What's. So what's his playoffs? Every other league he's played in and NHL regular season.
So his NHL regular season, 766. So he's far off the record, but he's still like probably top five all time.
700 in 66. Yeah.
Plus 78 playoff goals, Stanley cup playoff goals. Plus in the KHL he had 25, 22, 19. Now there's Avangard Omsk, which is Russian Super League, which then became the KHL. So add another 16. Now do we add the check league?
Yeah.
All right. Eleven plus 24, plus 15, plus 8, plus 5. Plus he scored one this year. And last question. Oh, wait, no, we got to go even further back. Plus 8. Plus 22. Plus 8. And do we count the one game he played in Germany?
How many score one goal. Yeah.
In one game, he had 10 assists. That game. That's a real thing. And do we count the second check league?
Sure.
Plus three.
Okay. You're at 1032, which is not more than Gretzky.
That's insane.
And then ov.
Ovi's that.
What is three goals away from a thousand professional goals. He's got 997.
Approximately a billion professional games.
Yeah.
And he still hasn't.
Mm.
He's one of the best ever. And he's still not even really close.
Yep.
So we have Gretzky at 1072 in first place, yogurt at 1032 in second, and then ov at 9 97.
And it's.
We got a race.
What's interesting about Ov's Russian career is that his numbers are really not that impressive before he reaches the NHL. Like his last year in Moscow in the Russian Super League, at the time, he had 13 goals and 14 assists in 37 games. And then his first year in the NHL the next year, 52 goals, 54 assists in 81. And it's. It's funny because the KHL is really weird with scoring.
Right.
The big ice.
Yeah. We've. We've known that for years on this show because we've had the privilege of having KHL insider Steve Dangle.
That's right.
For the league.
That's right.
Way back when. And you've always preached that to us. Is that the score. You can't just take the numbers from the KHL and apply them to North American hockey because they're wonky.
They are.
They are. Man. His team from his draft plus one years, like, so stacked. That had max of Finaganov, Pavel Datsuk on it. But then their. Their top goal scorer. You guys always make such a big deal out of this guy. Pavel Rosa. Like, who? I. It's. It's a different game over there.
It is that his photo.
Black and white.
Yeah.
It's like a. It's like a Soviet Union.
I thought even though he was drafted in 2000. Sorry, 1995.
Looks like they sent him away to the war.
This person is 47 years old. Like, they're not even. They're younger than Chris Chelios. By like a decade and a half.
Why does he have a wartime photo?
I don't.
Well, that's probably because Hockey DB needs to update.
Update the profile photo of Pavel Rosa.
Pavel Rose Rosa. Think of his war.
Put it on the screen. That person was born in 1977 and drafted in 1995. Why does he look like that? That person?
I like that LA Kings shot though, like with the turtleneck.
The dude in that photo, like, presumably that was taken before he was sent to the Somme. That person retired in 2015.
That's nuts.
I know that's from Vietnam. Like that. That's what I think.
LA was going for like a vibe in the early 90s, you know, like.
And they.
Why is it black and white?
I don't know. It's so weird.
I wonder what he's doing right now.
Listening to the show, really. I think feeling pretty hurt.
If anybody out there knows Pavo Rosa, we'd like to talk to him. That him and Tony Ham.
Watch, watch. Will be like, hey, Pavel Rosa is my. My uncle. It's crazy you guys are talking.
I can't believe how often we get those emails.
All the time. It's nuts.
It's nuts. Anyway, very cool. Very, very cool for Ovechkin. Bummer about the knee, but you know, hopefully we can get it back and get this thing sewed up by the end of the year.
35 career games missed due to injury. That's.
That's it.
Wild. That's. Throughout his entire nearly 20 year career in the NHL.
He's missed from lockout.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And from COVID Yeah.
This would have been well done. This would have been over. Oh, yeah.
Wow. Yeah. So the fact that now he has this week to week injury and they said they're going to reevaluate Wednesday to hopefully update the timeline a little better. But right now, week to week, it's. It's insane for him to get injured at all.
Yeah. Yep. Absolutely.
He's.
And you got to be careful. The man's 39. He might still be a freight train, but we got to, you know, we got to put some oil on those joints. It's a little older now.
He. Did you see the clip of him testing out the knee?
No.
Oh, didn't like that. Didn't I wish hockey players would stop doing that. Yeah, it's probably like, oh, let's see how it. No, Sam coast did that when he broke his friggin leg.
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Steel Wind, a longtime listener of the show Blue skied me. I'm on Blue sky now. Both Twitter and Blue sky said what? What you guys say about this is up to you, but the schadenfreude of the moment requires nay demands that you talk about the Leafs arch rival the Boston Bruins and the disarray surrounding the team. And I have been. Let me just say this before you get into it, actively avoiding this. And the reason I have been actively avoiding this is I refuse to acknowledge it. I cannot bring myself to believe that the Boston Bruins are just going through a small funk. I can't even bring myself to believe that they're inconsistent. I can't bring myself to believe that they're in a while. They're the second wild card team right now and that somehow is going to last. But it's. Yeah, of course I don't believe it. I don't believe it.
Their Season is going catastrophically. They're in a playoff spot.
Well, because I think first off, Bruins fans expect more. And also because the teams that were in the Atlantic Division that everybody expected to step up. Your Sabers, your Sens and your Detroit Red Wings. Although I'm not sure why anybody expected the Detroit Red Wings to be that much better. They're not the Bruins. The Sens are just not that good.
They are behind the sends and points. Percent just behind.475 for or no, sorry.500 for the Sens.475 for the Bruins. The Bruins are just up on the 474 Philadelphia Flyers.
That's wild.472. The Atlantic Division is not that strong.
Yeah.
One of the reasons, and this is where I want to start that the. You could imagine that the Bruins have probably given some points that they probably shouldn't have is they are league worst. We can relate. League worst on the power play right now at 11.7%. They've scored nine total this year. Their PDO is at 97.8. So they're not getting the luck.
That's not that bad.
Goal differential is negative 21.
That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad this point in the season. Yeah.
That's especially for a team like this. Their penalty kill is. And I'm just looking for it right now just to make sure that I got my notes right this morning. Is 25th in the league. They've yielded 19 goals in 78 opportunities. 75.6% special teams is a problem. You can't be last in playoff or in power play and then seventh last in penalty kill and expect to do a whole lot in this league. I remember another black and gold team that were on the fringes of the playoffs last year who had terrible special teams as well. And what happened? They missed.
I. I'm looking at. So I feel like we did this a couple of weeks ago. We were where we were like, hey, who's scoring on the Bruins? And the answer was no one. I'm looking at the updated list. Still no. 1. Postern has eight goals in 20 games. Marshan is five in 20 games. Those are the top two. No one else has over five.
That's wild.
There's. Whoops. Dropped my phone. There's Koepka, who I'm pretty sure is right where we left him.
Yes.
Brazo has four. Coil as four. Frederick has three. And I think he scored two the other night. McAvoy three. Zaka three. Castlek three. Which I think is Right where we left him. Lindholm is injured. Beecher has two like dude, who's scoring on this friggin team?
Well, and Lindholm is an interesting one and I think we have to. If we're going to talk about the issues with the Bruins. I think they were expecting Linholm to come in and be.
Oh, I meant Hampus Lindholm.
Oh, I thought you meant Elias.
No, no Elias. Where the hell is he for goal scoring? I'm not even seeing him. Where the hell is Elias Lindholm? I don't even see him on this team.
Do you have the right.
Oh, there he is. No, he's got two goals. Well, and so he's got seven assists, but he's got two goals.
That's what I want to start with because so. So if for those who don't remember and I don't expect you to the.
I also thought I got the wrong team.
I was like, oh, what's going on? Is the wrong year or something.
The Boston.
That's 100% what I thought I did.
The Boston Bruins, sorry. The Vancouver Canucks acquired Elise Lindholm for a pretty big package from the Calgary Flames last year.
Big package.
And Anzadorov was included in that too. Gigantic package for 2069. And Elias Lindholm was going to Ufa a former 40 goal scorer.
Selkie nominee.
Selkie nominee and a guy who I think the Flames were able to sell high on because the Vancouver Canucks, as reported by SDPN's Chris Johnson before the trade deadline, they traded for him early enough to find out whether or not they liked him. And they liked him so much they tried to trade him at the trade deadline. And that to me was a red flag. And then watching all of the Canucks games in the playoffs, which I had the. I was just fortunate to do so, I didn't think he was very good. I didn't think he was a particular standout. I thought he was fine defensively, which is what he's good at. But I didn't see him being some sort of threat. And then in the off season and there's a puck. PD is having a bit of an issue with their website today, but I've still pulled up the basics. He gets an eight year deal at 775 from the Bruins, 29 year old center and former 40 goal scorer. You go, okay, well it's like that or Chandler Stevenson, which I didn't.
I don't think is an unreasonable amount.
Not an unreasonable amount, but I look at it, Jess and I go, maybe they should have done some more scouting on this guy, because I don't know what's happened to his game, but he might not be the guy that drives his own line. He might be the guy who is the. He's not Batman and Robin to Godreau and Kachuk. He's like, I. He's.
That line was so ridiculous.
He might be Alfred. Right? Like, he might be. And. And I. And it's not to say Alfred was very helpful. He what? So is Linholm.
I got it.
What is. What is.
Alfred is, you know, Alfred from Batman. He's the butler from.
Oh, my God.
Right.
He is more than a butler. How dare you talk about Michael Caine or Morgan.
Well, I listen, he played a valuable role, but I look at. Look at. So his. You know, obviously the Flames got really bad when Ken Chuck and when Kechuck and Goudreau left, but he went from 19 goals to 42 goals, to 22 goals to 9 goals. But again, he played half the games in 23, 24, 9 goals with the Flames, 6 with the Canucks. You could tell this guy wasn't going to score a bunch. And we're. What to me is the issue here is did the Bruins need him to score or did they need him to just be the defensive side of Bergeron's game?
I think we're burying the lead. It's valid that they gave this guy all that money all that term, and he's not scoring. They had for it for two years the best tandem in hockey, bar none with Olmark and Swayman this year.
Oh, boy.
Swayman is 5, 7 and 2 with an 884 in 14 games. Corpusalo. Oh, they shouldn't have got Corpus Aloha. He's not that good. He's the better goalie this season. He's 900 1, which is about bang league average.
Yep.
3, 2 and 1. So he's above.500. He's, you know, above Bettman.500. He's won as many games as he's lost. That, to me, is the biggest difference. The Bruins used to be able to survive the fact that they didn't score all the time or have, you know, I mean, Pasternak. It's sort of like the Matthews conversation that we keep having where I'm like, hey, man, he scored 69 goals last year and they didn't do a ton to improve offensively. If he doesn't score 69 goals for you again, who's scoring for you? How do you make up that. Let you know. Let's say his Production decreases by 20 goals. Where are those 20 goals coming from? Where are Pasta's goals coming from? He's scoring at a very good pace, but he's scoring at like. He's probably going to shave at this current pace. Off the top of my head, like 15 goals off.
Yep.
Where are those goals coming from? The answer so far is nobody. Nobody. Marshand is second with five. Dude, nothing is going well. And it's crazy that despite all that, like, we're looking at this and we're like, damn. What's going well with the Bruins? Nothing. They're in a playoff spot.
Wow. The division is cockroach, man.
Like, they don't go away.
They don't. Jesse.
I know. I think it's shocking to have the league's worst power play and to also be bottom 10 in the league in goals. 4 at 5 on 5 and still managed to win any amount of games.
Yes.
Like, it's. It's. To see how dead the offense has been this entire season. It hasn't been like a short little stretch here of a couple of games. It's been from day one of the season until now. The fact that they've managed to win games is weirdly impressive. But also, you can't go forward like this. It's not sustainable. So you need some sort of change here with I. Because, like, if the power play struggling that much. A lot of that comes down to coaching. Some of it's personnel, but you can coach a power play to be good. So I wonder if a coaching change is in the stars.
I have a thought, too. Maybe don't get into a public spat with your goaltender and have a miss entire training camp over like $2 million. Not. Not just $2 million. $2 million spread over eight years like.
A few ice cream.
It was literally 7.8 to 8.1 million. That was the fucking spread here. It's like 300 grand a year. And Swayman right now has got the.884 save percentage and a.347 goals against average. I'm sorry. It's because he missed training camp.
I think he's one of the best goalies in the NFL.
Absolutely.
In the same way that William Nylander is one of the best skaters in the NHL. But he sucked ass when he missed two months of the season.
Yes.
He sucked ass that season. He did. He was brutal. He was a net negative. And then after that, we're like, oh, okay, this guy's gonna say, oh, oh, holy Shit. For his contract, I expect him to be very, very good. But all parties involved, Bruins chief among them, made it difficult for him to find success. Getting back to the offense trivia, how many Bruins have double digit assists?
Oh, that's a good question. I would think Marchand does. I would think Lindholm Hampus does. I would think McAvoy, probably Pasternak.
All right, so what's. What's your answer?
That's. I'm gonna say five. So there we've named four. One more.
I'm gonna say six.
Okay. Zero.
Oh, no, no.
Buddy Posternak has nine. He really is a one man crew. Marshand has eight. Elias Lindholm has seven. Highest score in defenseman. You guessed it. Mason Laurai with six. Two Bruins have double digit points.
Wow.
Points. They're in a bad way.
They are.
And to quote a tweet that I saw yesterday, haven't any of you ever seen a horror movie?
That's Fulham. And yes, they're coming back and they were back from the dead.
This is why it just. It just in typical, you know, write, write this down. I might know this team better than the Leafs. Honestly, at this point, this becomes part of their story. This becomes part of. They love it. They love it. They won 65 games, got embarrassed in the first round. So what'd they do? They started hotter. They started hotter than they did the year before.
Yeah.
It just becomes part of their story. The difficulties with Swayman, the tough start, and then the second. The second they just crack the code and they just start uma Thurman ing their way out of the coffin, they're going to be an unstoppable machine. And I am going to continue to think that that's them. My bet until they prove that they're not.
My bet is it happens in late January and they just fuck shit up. Absolutely. Yep. They peak at the right time.
Who would be surprised?
That's why I started the segment with I can't believe. I can't bring myself to believe the Bruins are bad.
Nope. Now, I'm not interested in even humoring it.
Jesse.
They're good.
You're down at the games. You're talking. They're good. You're down at the games.
Yeah, I'm not interested. I'm not. They're good.
I wish you had this type of confidence with the Leafs.
Oh, okay. What would the case give him to be that confidence?
Why might I have more confidence in the Bruins than the Leafs?
Hey, the Leafs beat Tampa how many.
Years ago I Will throw this really messy Christmas decoration across the room.
They took the Bruins to game seven multiple times. Look how good they are. Why don't. Why don't they inspire confidence in.
I have a wide foot, Jesse. That's just useful information for when I put it up here.
What have the Bruins ever done? Did the Bruins send me to therapy recently?
Oh, my God. Have you ever spoken to a therapist about Elif's loss?
No.
No. No. And maybe I should, but.
No, I wondered. I haven't either, but maybe I should. Yeah, listen, it's. It's one of those things I look at. I look at this and I go, if Swayman is standing on his head like he has the last few years, this problem probably isn't as bad. Specifically your penalty kill. I don't expect you and his corpus salad to be that good. And look at that. He hasn't been. I expect Jeremy Swayman to be Vezna candidate, and your most important penalty killer is your goaltender. And once he gets that rhythm back, and I think it's easier for a goalie to miss training camp and get the rhythm back than it is for a William Nylander who was like, 21 and was not used to the rigors. I believe that Swayman's going to find his game. And watch out.
On the note of Jim Montgomery, because.
Oh, yeah, and I was going to ask Jesse about Jim, too, so you go ahead.
Well, he's been such a ridiculous regular season coach, basically everywhere he's gone. I don't put this on him, but sometimes coaches get fired when they don't deserve it and the team gets better anyway.
Yeah.
Is that just the nature of it?
Yes. I mean, look at Todd Richards. Poor Todd Richards, Columbus Blue Jackets. He was the guy that was there before Torts towards gets there. And all of a sudden Bobrovsky's like, oh, I remember how to play.
Bobrovsky's like, I am a goalie from 1984. And then, oh, I'm like a dead puck era. Vesna. God.
Yeah. And that switch happened essentially when Torture.
Literally the day they brought in for.
Us, it was nine games into the years.
It was so.
It was so bad.
Noxious.
Yeah. And. And, and with that. So, Jesse, going down to the games, and I know that you weren't there obviously last year, but I have gotten the sense, and perhaps this is a media thing, that things are different there with Berube versus Keefe.
Did you get 100%?
Yeah. Can you tell us in maybe what ways that you've sensed that well, things.
Like are come from the per. The personality of the head coach and they work outwards. You know, like he's kind of the, the way the head coach works, it starts with him and everything kind of projects outward. So Brube has a certain, a different mentality and goes about things differently than Sheldon Keefe. Like they're not similar in their style. So the fact that Brube is just there and is the head coach means that things are different on a day to day basis because that's where the head coach kind of controls things. It's. It's how the team gets up every day and in practices and their mentality in the media. So yeah, things are 100%.
And the reason I ask you that is there was a time long ago when Twitter was in its blue sky phase and everybody was being sweet and kind to each other. This is before we were verifying damn white supremacists. That was quite the era on Twitter. And I remember people trying to make the argument, and this is crazy in retrospect, but trying to use numbers to make the argument that coaching didn't really have that big of an effect on the game. The big effect was goaltending. There was an argument out there. And again, the advanced stats community does not own this. That's just one weirdo segment that tried to make an argument. And I get it, you want to try things, test the theory.
A lot of theories were tried before. We found ones that were 100%.
And so I can remember that and people going, well, how much is coaching really matter? Like these are professionals, they know and it matters enormously. And so if Montgomery is to go, if he is the new Boudreaux, meaning a great regular season coach, but just the playoffs have not happened for them and this year the regular season is not even happening for them, my question becomes who's the guy? And there's the guy that's hanging out just around the NHL. Used to coach the Florida Panthers and the Chicago Blackhawks and wasn't allowed in the league for a bit. It sure feels like a Boston Bruins.
Coach, doesn't it Coach qa, that someone's pushing the button.
And I would this management group listen, it's the same guy.
Well, they don't give a shit.
They don't care.
They don't care.
They don't care. Sure feels like it.
And also like Jeremy Jacobs is in.
Gary's like, well, Jeremy's not as hands on. It's his kid and it's running it now.
Let's let's be honest here. You're talking about WWE five years ago. Like, oh, it's not Vince running things at Steph. Don't worry, it's all Triple H. It's Vince.
Did you bring up Montgomery's comments about Suyman?
No, I didn't. Do you want me to?
I had them here.
Ok.
He said, I thought I'm of the opinion that Jim Montgomery should be fired. Oh, I feel like, oh I feel like if you want that new coach bump, it would fit perfectly in Boston. And Todd McClellan is a good replacement there. He's a free agent. You can just go get him.
Okay.
Gerard Galant? Probably not. It's probably not a long term solution. But if he's a good, hey, we can get him for this season. They have an assistant coach there, Jay Leach. They could just promote him which might be a decent solution. But I thought where we were reaching a breaking point with Jim Montgomery when he said this about swim in last night after the Columbus loss. I don't think missing training camp helps anyone. That's why it's training camp. But by no means do I think today is Jeremy Swayman not having training camp. So Swayman was bad that he wasn't great against Columbus at all. But it's not in the best interest of the head coach to call out your goaltender for missing training camp because we all know what went into those negotiations. It wasn't like Swayman said, you know what, I don't feel like practicing this year. I'm not going to show up. No, there was a whole thing that went into the contract and why he wasn't there. You can't a month and a half into the season be like, you know what, this fucking guy wasn't here for training.
Would you leave money on the table there?
Money like right, like what would you have done in that situation? And he's, he's done with this with pasta countless times in the last.
And it worked though.
It has worked. But eventually this shit wears thin. You can't just keep going to the well of calling out your players in front of the media. And for me I'm like, if I'm a Bruins player, I'm a Bruins fan. I'm kind of sick of Jim Montgomery. So I would be on the side of, hey, we can move on here if this losing continues.
What do you think about a Jay Woodcroft?
Woodcraft is interesting too.
Woodcroft, I, I keep thinking because he did so well with the Oilers, just until he didn't which is kind of Jim Montgomery in A nutshell. But those teams could score. They had the worst goaltending in human history. And I just feel like Swayman returning to form and the. And a coach who can put together a cobble together a team that can score some goals. He could be an interesting fit there. But you know, I'm talking about Woodcroft who has so little NHL experience. And again, the coach Q button is right there. The right there.
I assume we'll get to it, but the Edmonton Oilers start to this season kind of indicates Jay Woodcroft for me. I'm like, you know what? Last year's slow start probably wasn't his fault.
Well, they got a new coach bump.
Exactly.
I mean, a new coach bump. They almost rode to a cup.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, it's. It coaches. I think what I've discovered about coaching over the last like decade plus, and especially the way we talk about it, it's just not fair. It's not friggin fair. And so much of it is not about what a brilliant tactician you are. It's can you get your players to listen to you?
One guy saying, hey, play harder. And then another guy saying, play harder. Like, go play harder. They have different effects just because of the person delivering the message.
Yes.
Is John Portarella going to end up in the hall of fame? Yes.
Yeah. 100%.
Cool. How many times has he been fired?
A lot.
Yeah, like Paul Maurice might end up there too. That guy's been fired a ton of times. So many, like coaches so rarely, like, how are you firing one of the best coaches of all time? That's, it's like trading hockey hall of Fame player, you know, for like draft picks or whatever. Not because you're a seller, but because you're like, this guy is no longer good for our team. You know, so much of coaching is just unfair.
Yes.
Oh yeah.
And what did I, what did I keep hammering with Keith? I know he's not in the echelon of these guys, but hey, playoff style goals go to the net. Playoff style goals go to the net. Playoff style goals go to the net. They don't do it. They bring Ruby and he goes, go to the net. And they go, yes, sir.
It's the same thing.
Is the strategy even that different?
No, it's just a different vessel. He's just receiving the information through a new human. And they're like, okay, we'll do it this time. It's the same thing.
You had Babcock go to the net, you fucking worthless piece of shit. And then you have Keith hey, what if we all went to the net and then they did it for a while and then. I don't really feel it going to. That. Hey, get off the shed and go to the net. And they go. They go to the net. I just. I don't. I'm sure there are little idiosyncrasies and, like, minor things that coaches do that. Some, some. It makes some coaches more brilliant than others. So much of it is just motivating people to do stuff. Rick Talkett in Vancouver.
Mm.
Did he revolutionize, like, the way they play hockey games, or is that just a locker room you got to manage more than others? And he knows how to do it.
All right. Yeah. So going back to your point earlier about coaches not having an effect. Like, they certainly do. Like they. Yes, yes, certainly have an effect. And I think if. If the Bruins choose to move on from Jim Montgomery, we're going to see a positive upswing no matter who's in there, whether it's Woodcroft, whether it's Q, whether it's anybody.
And they don't see. They. The Bruins, the. The. You have to give so much credit to. The Bruins do not have, like, the locker room management issues that, say, Vancouver would have had. Winnipeg had it for a while. You know who else had it were the Penguins teams that won Cups and Rick Talk. It was the assistant coach and had to manage those personalities.
And I think, hey, I'm going to do everything else you manage Phil and.
Gino, make sure that they will step on the ice and not kill each other.
Yeah. I don't know what Talk was if he managed the penalty killer, the power play. No, no, no. Make sure those two don't kill each other and we'll win a cup.
Now, as of this morning, and I don't think you guys have seen this, JT Miller has taken an extended leave of absence from the Vancouver Canucks. They've put out a statement for J.T. miller takes a leave of indefinite leave for personal reasons. Vancouver GM Patrick Alvine announced today that for JT Miller will be taken an indefinite leave of absence from the team for personal reasons. Right now, our sole focus is making sure that JT Knows the entire organization is here to support him, Said Alvin. Out of respect to JT we will have no further comment at this time. So I thought since Talk, its name came up, it was worthwhile mentioning that. I didn't want to distract too much. But that's breaking news as of 15 minutes ago.
Well, he benched J.T. miller and then was asked about that and he goes, well, I put out the guys who I thought could get us back in the game.
Yeah.
And a lot of people took that as a shot. A J.T. miller. But, like, I don't know. It sounds pretty authentic.
Yeah.
Oh, that's. That's real concerning. I hope he's okay.
Yeah, no kidding. Absolutely.
It's been a rough little start to the seasons for Vancouver.
It sure has.
With the Demko stuff in training camp, that was. That's always been so awkward because the. His injury, it was like, okay, he could come back next round. If they make it. If they go, stay. Like a final, we could get Demko. And then he shows up to training camp and is like, hey, I have an injury that no other hockey player has ever had. And a couple soccer players have had it. And then Elias Patterson goes on this weird goalless streak of he can't score at 5 on 5. And then J.T. miller gets benched. And then day after he gets benched, he's on a leave of absence. It's been a whirlwind in Vancouver.
And where are the Canucks? They are third in the Pacific. And if they win the game in hand, they have. If they win the two games in hand, they have over the Kings. They pass them. And if they win the game in hand, they have over Vegas. They're within one point. So we're talking about two teams here where a lot of things are going wrong. They're both still in a playoff spot. One of them is in a greater position of panic than the other.
When do the standings start mattering? Because right around now, CJ Was talking about how he hasn't looked at the standings. I think it was on last week's CJ Show. He's like, I don't even know where teams are positioned, because I don't. I don't care about the standings until later in the season. When does it start mattering?
Well, I think the American Thanksgiving thing. So I think it's coming up to mattering. I think it's worth looking at.
Like, here. I'll give you an idea. I'll give you an idea. Pittsburgh disaster. Could things have gone worse for them to start the season?
No.
No. Bruins are in the second wild card. 20 games played, 19 points. Second wild card. The seventh wild card. So not a playoff team, but they're seventh in the wild card race. Pittsburgh Penguins, 20 games played, 17 points.
Bruins, we love parity.
Lose their next team. Penguins win it. They're tied.
Yeah.
Yeah. So I don't. So we're still not at the point where it should matter too much. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, percentage is a big deal.
It's a story when Boston has the league's worst power play and league's worst penalty kill. But I don't know if it's a story that, like, where they are in the stand.
Yeah, right. Their bottom. What was their goal differential? You said it was, like, 21, which will tide for, like, the worst in the league.
Oh, I don't know about that.
Second worst.
Yeah, I'll. I'll have a look at goal differential.
To me, matters over a larger period.
It's tied for second worst in the league with San Jose, who's also minus 21. The worst team in goal differential is the Pittsburgh Penguins at minus 25. So there you go.
Yeah, but that just means, like, the Penguins have gotten their asses kicked more.
Often, which I think means something.
It does, but, like, are you winning games or not? Like, to me, that's the thing that matters most.
And I don't think with a negative 21. There you are.
I don't understand. I think it means something.
I think over.
I think them being the. The Penguins, Sharks and Bruins all being in the -20 in goal differential means more than where they're sitting in the stand.
Yes.
Yes. I'm just saying you could lose. You could have a winning record and lose, like, two games, five, Nothing.
Okay, but.
Yeah, but that's not what happened.
And also, how many. How many games is a long enough sample size for you? We're 25% into the season. There's teams with 20 games. Yes. Yeah. 18 games. Yes, we are.
I think goal differential means more than the standard.
I think it means a ton.
Okay. We need to put a date, December.
1St for goal differential to mean something to you. What about the jets with a plus 31 or the Caps with a plus 28? Or the Hurricanes?
The jets are no.
1.
No.
Except for everyone.
Well, yeah, I mean, if you take everyone into account. Yeah.
Were you not just giving the standings about where the Vancouver Canucks are?
Jesse, bro, I just come up with shit on the fly, and sometimes it's contradictory and it doesn't work.
I like that.
Yeah. Thank you, Maddie, for the hand signal. I'm just yapp happen.
Oh, yeah. Yapologist Steve.
Yeah.
Yeah. You're at the yap University.
Just coming. All right.
It's a good day. That was fun today.
Okay, so the last. I want to really, really hit. And then we've got to get her hand aid. But I really wanted to talk about this yesterday. And look at this, ladies and gentlemen, the salary cap is about to explode. Gary can only keep it down so long. Escrow could only be at 20% for so long. Yep, actually it's probably down at zero at this point. Revenues next season, according to James Myrtle, could easily exceed $7 billion. To give you an idea of how big of a jump that is coming out of 2022, 23 revenues were at 6 billion. So a billion dollar uptick in revenue, or probably 12% year over year for essentially the same cost in business terms is pretty spectacular. NHL costs have not gone up that much. Salaries have definitely not gone up very much. And yet the NHL is going well. We could be at $7 billion. And that does not count expansion fees or any other. This is just hockey related revenues. These are enormous numbers. This is a huge jump. And again I go into when the Maple Leafs sports and entertainment sell, when Bell sells to Rogers or Jeff Vinick In Tampa sells 10% of his team, or the Pegulas sell 10% of their team in Buffalo, or their sports entertainment group.
None of that is hockey related revenue. That's just owners being rich and selling their rich assets. That is not revenue. We're talking about TV deals, we're talking about sponsorships, we are talking about people spending more on tickets, corporations spending more on boxes, season tickets, all that. And this is a big deal. If the 2026 cap calculation is anything like it was under the previous cba, the salary cap ceiling at that time, this is a year and a half from now, would be 112 million or more. And that's that changed over the pandemic because the league and the players had to come together and go, hey, how are we going to do this? Because the players were like, yeah, we'd still like to make the same amount of money. And the owners are like, yeah, us too, except. So they figured out a deal. No, the players have, well, paid that off. And you're talking about a potential jump of like $20 million or more in the off season. And, and, and that's not this off season. That would be next. Now the caveat here is we're projecting revenues into the future. But remember, the salary cap is always based on about two years behind.
Yes.
And so because it takes them so long to calculate everything. Sure. The, the one thing I want to say to you is that there are a lot of people inside the game on the player's side who are more than happy to just let it blow up. And it's interesting because guess who's a free agent the season that the calorie. The salary cap is due to go up.
I hate it.
You ready? Connor McDavid.
Oh, I thought, oh, I'm looking at this and I'm like, marner needs a contract.
No.
Needs a contract.
Nice.
Needs a contract, damn it.
And so this is for next season.
This is for the end of 25, 26, July 1, 2026.
So the end of next season.
Yeah. If they don't.
Right.
Negotiate a riser in this deal that basically takes the formula that they've used to this date and. And exceeds it. Because this is what the NHL wants to do. The NHL and the owners, they want to go to the players association and say, hey guys, listen, we don't want to see a jump like that in one year. We would write, we would like to ideally spread that out over two or three years. Reasons being obviously a jump in cost. But then you end up with. Or you end up with what the NBA did in 1516 where you're. Steph Curry is making less money than the guy on the bench for the Raptors because he signed a contract before the TV rights deal kicked in. And they, they didn't deal with it. And then, you know, they put the warriors dynasty together. They were able to get Durant an.
Unrealistic jump in the salary cap, which shouldn't have happened. Allowed the Golden State warriors, who are already the greatest regular season team of all time, to sign Kevin Durant. Right. Contract.
We're already cartoonishly good and should be losing players. Psych. Kevin Durant.
Yeah, it. It kind of messes up the league for years. So messed up or not that I shouldn't use that made it. Maybe it made it better.
I mean, I don't know. Like I listen, the NBA didn't get any less exciting.
If anything, it got better.
Well, it's like how, you know, I watch one Patriots game a year. The Super Bowl.
Yes.
I watch seven warriors games a year. When they go to the final. Yeah, basically also seven LeBron games. They just kept playing each other.
So what's interesting here, and Alan and I are doing a show tomorrow morning. We're going to record it.
Is it going to be good or bad?
It's going to be good. And Alan's going to explain some of the more intricate details of this that even James doesn't get into in his article, which is spectacular. You should check it out. But what I think is interesting here, guys, for our purposes discussing right now with my thousand foot understanding of this, is for the first time in forever we have a players association with a significant bargaining chip when it comes to the CBA negotiations. Part of the reason that the NHL kept the players out of things like the Olympics and World Championships is because the players wanted it. And Gary's like, well, you want that?
Great.
I'm going to use that against you. And he did. And you can argue, and I would, that that hurt the game in the long run. But for Gary and for the owners, it was about leverage over the players. This piece of leverage, if the players play this properly, is the first significant piece of leverage the players have had as a union over the NHL in a long, long time. And there was some concern that if Kamala Harris won the presidential election, that Marty Walsh was going to leave the NHLPA and go back to her administration because he notably came from them as the Secretary of Labor.
And so he was part of the Biden administration.
He was. And so he'll be. And he was also the mayor of Boston. Yes, so he will. He's been an absolute revelation for the nhlpa. And so I think we're in for one or two of the more exciting off seasons we've ever seen. On one hand, I don't think the players agree to move this over two seasons unless concessions are made from the owners on the salary cap overall. Because here's the deal. There are rumors circulating within the NHLPA right now that especially the superstar players are starting to get really pissed off about the fact that. Look at what Juan Soto is going to make. Look what Ohtani made. Look at what the NBA players are making, and look at what NHL players are making. Chris Boucher is making more than Conor McDavid.
It looks.
It's.
It makes it look Mickey Mouse.
It does. And the players are aware that now every team is worth over a billion dollars. You're seeing some teams year over year, their franchise values are going 30 and 40%, and the players, based on the way the CBA is calculated, are not participating in that because asset value isn't taken into account. And I know this is sort of boring and dry, but we could. Guys, see, we think the salary cap is going to go up about to 94 and a half million or 92 and a half million dollars. What Elliot Friedman suggested last weekend is that it could go as high as 97. I think he's being conservative. If this deal is negotiated between the PA and the NHL, I think it will have CBA ramifications. And I think we're at $100 million next summer. And I Think. And I could say that because I'm not Elliot Friedman. I could say that because those are some of the wilder predictions. And if I'm wrong, who cares? I'm not Elliot Friedman. But I'm telling you, if Elliot's saying 97, Elliot's being conservative because he's protecting his reputation. I look at this guys, we're talking about 20 million in one off season and that's based on the projections this year.
The NHL is already humming along at a much higher clip than they thought, which is great.
Think about this, 32 teams pulling in the same direction.
We're 87 and a half million dollars. A $10 million jump in one off season is going to be crazy if, if though it doesn't happen and the players go, players go, okay, well you haven't given us enough so we're going to just do the jump next year. The amount of one year deals signed.
This off season is just going to say and you know, one or two.
That's what happened in the NBA too. Guys like LeBron signed one year contracts. Like I look at a guy like Mitch Marner who's obviously near and dear in Toronto, who's got a deal that expires at the end of the season. If you're him, I, I'm not signing that contract now. So I'll sign a one year deal, thank you very much and we'll renegotiate once the deal, the whole thing set up.
When Darren Dreger pitched the idea of Matthew Nice signing a bridge deal, I was ticked because I'm like, why would the Leafs do that?
Well, I don't think that he's going to give them a choice. A choice.
It takes two to tango, right? And listen, it could, there could be some friggin stacked teams over the next couple of years because they're like, I'll just wait.
Well, I think of a guy like Vlad Gabriel in la. He signed a two year deal knowing that this bump was going to come.
And we were like why did he do that?
But his two year deal expires this year. The bump could come next year.
Right?
And so what he's, what I'm, I'm fascinated for guys like him that did that on purpose because he's still a very valuable piece. That could be the difference for Gavrikov. He's making about 6 million now. I would expect he's going to get a 7 or an 8 next year. If he, if, if it's, if he has to wait an extra year like that is going to be a gargantuan number for guys like him.
Let me, let me, let me. If I'm a member of the players association, this is a priority for me. According to POC pediatric NHL minimum salary 20, 18, 19 was 650 grand. Next year it jumps 50 grand to 700 grand and it lasts that way for three seasons. Oh no, sorry, two seasons. Then it takes another jump to 750. This year it's 775 and next year it'll still be 775. That's peanuts. It's nothing. NHL minimum, like, yeah, the stars should be making more. Yeah, 100%.
Yep.
Minimum's got to come up too. Well, I think more than the pittance it's been.
I think that's a PA issue and I think that they will be addressing.
It's like is. Is a goal of minimum salary of $1,000,000 realistic and then the number that's variables got to change and then, you know, I, if. I mean, there's more players making closer to that than there are closer to McDavid.
Yeah.
Right. So to me that's something that has to come up. If I'm part of that union.
I think that they will. I just think this is going to be some of the more exciting. Like if you play your cards right here in the next couple of years and let's say cooler heads prevail and they probably will and they loop this into the new CBA deal, nobody sees a work stoppage coming, thank God, because you know, we have a network based on this stuff. So that's, that's exciting. That's good. The thing that I think is interesting is if you have a, a team that's really intelligent about the signings and the trades that they make, you've got an entire roster in some cases of depressed value contracts and you can add a couple of stars and we're going to see some teams blow a ton of money and be terrible and we're going to see some teams even at a $10 million jump, which is what Free is reporting. Again, conservative as it should be. You're going to have, you're going to have other, other teams going like, oh my God, like we, we just absolutely have a home run for the next three years. Because all of these contracts, you look at Matthews, thank God they signed them.
Oh yeah, Nylander, thank God they signed.
It's not necessarily about buying UFA years, it's buying post jump years.
I wish they, yeah, I wish they signed Matthews for longer now. Well, he, yeah, but Again, he didn't want it.
It's up to. But they got him to agree to. I guess that'd be three. Is he on a four year deal or a five?
Five.
Five.
And so he's on a five year deal. So they signed three post jump years.
Yeah.
That's pretty big that.
And this is where the Leafs didn't take advantage of this last time the Leafs had this similar situation when you had Marner Matthews nylander on their ELCs and they took that extra cap space and they went and got Patrick Marlo and it ended up costing them a first round pick which is now South Jarvis. No guarantees they would have picked Seth Jarvis but man, he'd be great. If you're the Leafs or you're any other organization, you need to take advantage of these depressed value contracts and you need to go out and get that, get that piece. The piece is now and this is why I think for the Toronto Maple Leaf, bringing it back to them. They need to make a trade for the centerman now. Make the trade now.
I think you're going to see a lot of trades for guys who have contracts this year and next.
Yes. All of a sudden the guys with two and three year deals are going to be worth multiple first round picks. You're going to like, like not just one.
For years teams have avoided trading for term and now it's attractive to trade for term.
Yeah.
That spices up the trade deadline in a big, big way. And I know every year we're like oh this could be big but like there hasn't been room to friggin breathe.
Yeah.
And now that there is, it's a.
Beautiful thing if you're looking at players who are having issues with teams or they're about to move on or like think about a guy like Taylor Hall. Right.
Yeah.
Who's. Who's not been great in Chicago, but Chicago is not that great. So that seems to be an awkward fit. That guy might be 4 million bucks. Might be worth a lot and it's.
Like 4 million bucks.
Yeah.
What's that? Yeah, that's 4% of the cap. Who cares?
The percent of the cap is going to be big.
Yes, we're and we're going to start but I believe media wise, I think we're all going to start talking in terms of percentage of cap deals rather than real money deals. I think we're, I think the better, more accurate way to look at it is what is the percent of the cap that this is taking up versus their last contract. I think that's that's the. I think we're moving in that I'm starting to hear it more in the vernacular. So anyway very very exciting. I just wanted you guys to. I wanted to throw that out there. This trade deadline and this free agency and the next and the next free agency are going to be I think awesome.
Adam.
When everybody makes more money it's great.
Listen.
Yep.
Having more cap space helps you win.
The Stanley cup can depends what you do with it.
It helps you win the Stanley Cup. It's proven. The other thing that helps you win the Stanley cup and it's proven it's former lease and the Edmonton Oilers.
Oh I just saw it continue to.
Be the league leader in former Leafs they just in the middle of the show got kiss Barry Kaepernick.
Yep.
You know what how many I feel like for years we were talking about Kaepernick playing with McDavid and how funny that would look like just two guys who go wee.
Yep. I think it's. I kind of like it. Screw it.
Go for it. I mean that's a decent little. Depending on how long he's out. Like you probably look at Kapanen as a Arvidson replacement.
Yep.
Speedy right handed shot can maybe kill some penalties for you.
Can I throw something?
Jeff Jackson, man loves a former Oiler.
I want to talk about a different Jeff gentleman. Jeff Skinner.
What about him?
Three million bucks.
Okay.
Six points in 19 games.
Not great. That's the sort of contract where it's. I think it fits into the conversation we just had years ago. It's like well, that's an unmovable albatross built into the foundation of our team and we're frigged. And now it's like you can move them.
Jesse.
Yeah.
Having seen Kasperi Kapnan as much as you have as a Leaf fan and as a Penguins fan because we paid some attention to the Penguins. He played there too. Do you think he's a factor on this team?
No, not really. Just based on the game last night against Montreal. Even with their depth, he's going to be a factor obviously. Like he's going to be a very useful player. But it's not what they need to fix the team. Like I feel like everybody on the team knows what's wrong with the Edmonton Oilers and they're all been saying it. They all said it post game last night. If. If can they. Can I talk about the game night? Oh yeah, the Amazon game that I didn't stream. Remember I refused to stream because he hates the Montreal Canadian.
Yeah, he hates real Canada is what he hates.
Yeah, yeah.
He hits the real NHL.
Yeah.
Damn.
Yeah, I am doing Vegas leaves tomorrow, by the way.
So last night Edmonton loses to Montreal. Three nothing. It's two goals that go into an past a goalie, past Picard, one into an empty net. And that was supposed to be their big bounce back game. You know you're facing the, the low, the end of the standings after you get embarrassed by the Leafs on Saturday night because you choke away this lead and you come back and you go to Montreal and you're like, okay, first night of a back to back because they play again tonight against Ottawa. So this is our get right game. And what happens is they don't show up and they get shut out by Sam Wantabo. And after the game, Knobla, Knobloch and Derek Ryan seem to all know both know what was wrong with the team game. Knobloch says, we had a lot of possession time, but a lot of it was on the perimeter, especially in the second period. There was a lot of time in the offensive zone, but we didn't really generate very much.
So you got Kiss, Barry Kaepernick.
That's what I, that's why initially I was like, no, I want to get into this because Kaspari Kapanen doesn't fix what's wrong with your team, Mr. Coach.
He's exactly that. Let me is going to skate Mach 14 down the wing, throw on the brakes and look for someone to pass to.
Let me every time the quotes here from the coach, he said, I don't think we had our first 5 on 5 chance until the second half of the period. As good as it looked, we really didn't have many opportunities to score. So that's the head coach saying we didn't score anything because we didn't get towards the net. Derek Ryan said post game we controlled a lot of the puck, had some time in the offensive zone, but maybe a little bit too much on the perimeter. Right. We had to find some ways to get to the interior parts of the ice, win some battles in front of the net, get second and third chances. That's where you score goals when you're struggling to score, go to the net. It's more of a mentality change. You're not going to score pretty goals all the time. You have to find out. You have to find, find it out and get a greasy one now. And that the teams that are scoring at a high rate in this league are doing those things. So there we have everybody saying we don't score the greasy goals. Now let's go bring Kasperi Kapanen to this team to solve things.
There's another guy who is the opposite of a greasy goal scorer.
Drives you insane. The Leafs had a type and that type was super talented dudes who couldn't put it together. Kapanen, Engval, Johnson, Johnson, Kerfoot, like, just.
I'll throw VC in there. He came and he played and he played well in New York after.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. Drives you nuts. Drives you nuts. This player, like, he's got crazy feet. Crazy, crazy feet. Decent hands, too fun. Penalty killer. Infuriating. Truly an infuriating player.
Listen, I want to, I want to put a, A, a disclaimer on this episode.
What's that?
The disclaimer is that there are rumors that Jim Montgomery has been fired. And I'm following it, but I don't know.
Oh, there you go.
But I don't know that that's the case. And that would be very us. Just talk about it.
So I'm sorry to finish off. To finish off with the game like the. I can't. So Evan Bouchard's very lucky because the replay of the goal that was scored for Montreal at the end of the second, the opening goal that happens at the end of the second period, it starts with an Evan Bouchard turnover. And it's. He's not playing hard enough on the puck. Two nights in a row and the puck goes the other way and it's a two on one. It's a shorthanded chance or it's a two on one, I think, and Montreal scores. But the replay that we have in the goal visualizer, it's starts just after the turnover. So he gets very lucky. But I was trying to go back in the Amazon stream just to see if I could pull it up, but it's very hard to navigate to it. But I think I got it here just so you guys can watch it off screen. Steve, if you stop.
Sorry. I'm trying to check in on what Adam was talking.
No, don't.
No, no, don't, don't. You're very distracted.
Don't talk about it tomorrow.
Yeah, we can get to it. We're doing another show, so I believe we're going to get to the goal here shortly. But Evan Bouchard's on the. Just inside the blue line and he gets the puck and it's such an easy pickpocket by the Habs player. So right here, Evan Bouchard gets The puck. You guys can see that there. So I'll scroll back 10 seconds, and if you want to take us through what's happening when Ekholm throws it to Bouchard right here, you'll see it starts a chance.
So he drops it to Bouchard on the left board.
And there you go. That was it.
Oh, no.
That was. Was it. Can you. That leaves. So I can't really, because the Amazon stream, it's kind of sticky when you freeze it. But I can. I can try and get it here and we can bring it up this screenshot. Probably terrible screenshot, but yeah, this probably terrible podcasting. I'm sorry. But I wanted to show these guys this goal, so I got it.
I don't got it. You know, that's a good stick. Who's the player? Who's the Habs player?
I don't know the Habs player. I can't see the number.
It was a good stick, but he's so casual, man.
So you can build. Pull up this screenshot. So this is right after Bouchard's pickpocketed, and it leads directly to a goal with Adam. This is your least favorite goal that NHL teams score.
Stop allowing goals. With a minute to go. 43.5 seconds, boys getting out.
The Habs are getting out to oblivion.
And like. And this is Jesse. When you play the. And I encourage everybody to look at this. Go on your Amazon account. Check it out. The. The. What's crazy about this play is that Ekholm makes a great pass and there's just. It's just so casual. What? Bouchard. That's the best way I can describe. It's just that. Yeah, I got this. It's Montreal. No, you don't. And that Suzuki line is not to be messed with. And this is a. I mean, the goal after this is pretty good. But I. I gotta say, like, there is one guy back and there are three Canadians I look at there who are mid stride and ready to.
Because, Bouchard, you're the defenseman. You're the. Since you're so casual with the puck. And this is why I think the conversation comes full circle. It's what the coach is talking about. It's what Derrick Ryan's talking about. Being tough, being hard on the puck, playing with a sense of importance where you're not so. Had no intensity. And you are the defenseman. You are. You are there and the last man back. If you get pickpocketed, they're going the other way.
You go to Nathan Phillips Square, like Lunchtime, any given weekday in the winter, you see people doing harder crossovers and that.
Pathetic.
Yeah. So bad.
So I had. So we. I. So Drew, of course, being spicy. Drew isolated the Bouchard clip from yesterday's show, put it up on the thing and I, we tweeted it out this morning. I had people tweeting me and I know it's well meaning, but they're like, listen, this guy's got game breaking talent. Bouchard. I would have his high end talent than some guy like TANF who only plays defense. And I'm like, listen, I get that, but have you heard of Kale Makar?
They're different people.
And well, and this is the thing. And we talk about needs for kind of people. And they said, they. They said to me, well, you've only. You're only pointing out like a couple of plays from one game, guys, it's every game. This is an Evan Bouchard problem. And when he fixes it, because he will. Yes, he's going to win the. He's going to win the Norris every year. Him and Makar and Fox.
He's a completely Hughes. Completely absurd.
Hughes too.
Oh, yeah, and Hughes the rating.
We are raining Norris trophy.
We are in a gold golden era of great.
And Connor Timmons. Yeah. And like he's just. He's. What? What? What do you. What do you. What? No, he. Listen, we, we went through this last episode. You take the bad with Evan Bouchard because the good so grossly outweighs it.
Yeah.
It's just the bad seems so fixable. Like I just like. Yeah, okay. If so his good skills, like this is, this is why I was willing to forgive him on the second goal against, against the Leafs, the one where he gives it away, hits McDavid's butt and nice scores.
Yeah.
I'm like, okay, that's an offensive defenseman trying to make an offensive play that didn't work. And it's okay. You take the good with the bad. This is just sloppy and lazy. Like, there's no to me. I'm not like, well, you let this go because where are you going? Where are you going? Who's it going to?
So if lazy. On this screenshot here, I brought it back a little bit. It's when he initially receives the pass and he's about to be poked and lose the puck with by this player right here. And it's. You're the last man back. You're the defensive. You can't lose this here. You're going to be screwed and that's Montreal took advantage of the situation. And Bouchard's had too many of these lately. He's on pace for half as many points as he had last year and I believe it was 82 he had last year. And this year he's on a 42 point pace.
So I'd be curious what his pace was before Knobloch got definitely. And then I'm sure he just ripped up definitely.
But we got to take it for what it is right now. And he's not producing off the entire team, isn't producing offensively to justify the lack of effort by the entire team. Yes, not just Bouchard, but the whole Oilers aren't playing good hockey and they can't get a save. The second goal, I won't bother trying to isolate or anything, but the second goal is. Bouchard's on the ice for it, but it's not entirely his fault. Draisaitl isn't hard on the puck along the boards. The Canadians take it out to the center of the ice and then you want Pickard to give you a save in that situation and he can't do it.
And going into the season, Jesse, the one thing that we were sure of with the Oilers, that they were going to be able to score all the way throughout the lineup. But as I pointed out with at the beginning of the segment with Jeff Skinner, you're not getting it. You're not getting it and it can't be it. Like McDavid scores a lot. Dry saddle scores a lot. It can't be, as we know in Toronto, it can't be the big boys every night of the year.
And there's one puck like, yeah, we, we look, we look at a team and they're four lines of depth. Right? With the Oilers, we see four lines of depth. It's not simply your group of forwards is better than their group of forwards. Every team has a couple lines that will kill you. And they have, depending on their offensive depth, they're probably built for. All right, here's our stopper line because they can't score nearly as well as the other one. So they're there to screw you up. Right? Think of like Dano from the 2021 playoffs. He wasn't going to score very much, but he screws it up. If we're matching like Jeff Skinner's line, for example, an Oiler's line that can score, but they're not as good defensively, they're going to be a minus. Yep, they're going to be A net negative.
Yep.
Because, I mean, okay, yeah, you got great players and you have the best player in the world. We have some good ones, too. And if you don't play us properly, if you don't treat us like a threat, we're going to burn you. It's the best league in the world. We'll kill you. And that's. That's what teams are doing. The Habs can do it, too, and the Habs have been brutal. But, you know, as they showed against the Leafs, they're capable of games like this.
And just to back up the point on the offense, and there's one puck. The Edmonton Journal had a good breakdown of the game, and just the pieces of the. The Oilers that just aren't working. And the Oilers haven't had a goal from that didn't have McDavid and Dry settle in on it since November 9th.
Holy.
It's been four straight games where every goal they've scored has had McDavid and Dry saddle in on it at some 10 days.
Yeah, damn, that's.
That's unacceptable.
Especially when you have guys lower in the lineup who were expected.
Yeah. And then late in the game, too, they pointed this out. Arbor Jackeye smashed Zach Hyman. Like he. He got a hold of him and there was no response. There's no response from the Oilers. And that's the point where you're like, okay, the offense isn't working hard. The. There's no response from the team like, where. How do we fix this?
Well, you know, you don't want to speak it into existence. Reeves takes out Nurse. And I thought to myself, I'm like, well, first of all, the Oilers are about to kill the Leafs on this five minute penalty. And second, there's going to be a response.
Yeah, some fight raves isn't in the.
Game anymore, so who's going to get it?
Nobody.
No one got it. And I know Evander Kane's not there right now. You still like, Perry's an asshole. Henrique's a pretty tough nut. You got some guys in the back? Nothing. No, nothing. Yeah, it's bad, man.
Yeah.
Yep.
So I think that we got some trouble at Edmonton right now.
Why don't we wrap it there? Because we're gonna be back tomorrow, so if we missed anything, we can always come back. Let's do the press conference, the presser.
Sdp, the Steve Dangle press conference.
Can you guys tell me whether or not Jim Montgomery was fired?
Steve, did you talk to yourself?
Nothing yet.
Okay, I want to pull up here this NHL car watch. Because I've been teasing it for a few episodes now, and we haven't had a chance to get to it. So I think you're gonna have to give me a moment so I can pull this up here.
Let me check Twitter for news. Oh, boobs. Oh, a random death. Oh, racism. No, no news.
I believe we're all on Blue sky as well, right?
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah. So we're all there. If people aren't a big fan of Twitter anymore, we're on both. We are in Blue Sky.
Hmm.
I can't find the car. Watch. Adam, do you have anything right now, you stupid idiot? I can find this car.
Why have anything at the moment? I sure can ask you a question, Jesse. I got one for you.
What is it?
Do you want to tell the story about who introduced themselves this weekend? Oh, I think this is cool. Jesse's not going to think this is cool, but I think this is kind of neat. All right. Because I think a lot of. Here's what happens. People get into the reporter thing and they forget that all the stuff that they do every day would be like a crazy once in a lifetime experience for most of us fans. And so who came up on Saturday at, I believe, morning skate? Or was it after the game?
Cliff or morning skate? And. No, no, I'm. Let's. Let's not pretend I'm not still over the moon about.
Oh, no, no, no. I know, but that's why we're having these conversations.
Yeah.
You're going, hey, this happened. Isn't that crazy? And C.J. would be like, yeah, so exactly what. I mean, because they're experienced, right?
No, I'm on the side of, like, the people I'm around all the time when we're down at the rink. And like, all the reporters, like, they're just going about the business. They've been doing it for decades. Plus, they don't realize how cool everything is. Like every. Every little. If you're a hockey fan, every little part of having access to a hockey team is sick.
Yeah.
So on Saturday, I'm. I leave the media avail for the Leafs. It was. Who spoke last? I think it was Hockenpaw or something. Or. No, it was. I think it might have been. When we're in the dressing room, I forget. It might have been Hawkinpah's. Anyways, I leave the media veil for the. For the Leafs and I go back into the. Into the ice area, into the bowl to watch Edmonton do their morning skate. And I'm standing there and all the reporters are kind of by the glass. And I just go up to a spot near the boards on the other side just so I can check out and see what McDavid's doing, what Dry says, doing all that fun stuff. McDavid, he need a new skate blade. I thought it was fun to see. And make David go over the bench. And the trainer goes over and he swaps out a skate blade.
And does he say, dig in. It's morning practice.
He does the thing that all trainers do, which is the most incredible thing that you could ever watch a hockey professional do, is where he uses his bare hand to punch the skate blade in. And for some miracle, their hands are made of steel, and they never get cut on that. And he jams his hand. He puts McDavid's skate blade in. McDavid goes back on the ice, and he. And he gets his new blade, and he tests it out, and he looks fantastic. And he's clearly the fastest player out there. It's so cool to watch McDavid do anything. And then I'm standing there, and a man's coming down the steps behind me, and it's Brad shelving. Bradshaliving looks over to me, and then I look over at Brad. I'm like, oh, that's Brad. And then Brad walks over to me and he says, hi. I don't think we've met. I'm Brad. And I was like, yeah, like, I don't know your name is Brad. And I go, I'm Jesse. Goes, good to see you. And she shakes my hand. And then he walks around. He walks around back into the locker room, down the stairs, and he keeps going about his business, but that was it.
Did he say he was a big fan?
He did not. He did not mention the podcast.
I want one of those Brad shirts.
You gotta get him a Brad shirt.
He did not mention Boston Pizza. No, no.
I'm sure he's pretty sick of the Boston Pizza jokes.
I didn't ask him about the Marner contract or anything, but he did the courtesy of introducing himself to me, which was something he didn't have to do, and that was very kind of him.
I have a question.
Yes, Adam.
Teacher Jesse. Mr. Jesse.
Yes.
Who is taller? Because I asked you this on text.
And you didn't answer because I'm not sure. I think we're about the same height.
Because he's tall.
I think he's. He's. He's like six three and a bit. Six four.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's a. He's a tall guy, seems like a very.
The same friendly, like, warm person.
He's very friendly. Yes. That's. I would definitely. He's like a good dad. He's a good. He's got like, oh, friendly dad. Like, that's. That's Jacob's dad, you know, and you love Jacob's dad because he's always got.
Snacks, makes a couple of jokes.
He always got Doritos for you. Yeah.
That's a hallmark of a good parent.
Yeah.
Snacks.
Snacks. Yeah. He's. He's got great dad energy, but he did the courtesy of introducing himself to me and. Yeah, every little part of being down there I think is cool to share with the audience as, like, it's. We're not, we're not. We're not unfazed by the, the, the whole spectacular aura of the Toronto Maple Leafs, you know, like, everything there is still a big deal to us. Yes.
And, like, I hope we never lose that.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I think when you lose that, you lose touch with the. Your audience.
It's like when I think it was like your first or second time there, you're like, yeah, Hawkinpah has taken rushes. And I'm like, what? Like, I. We were told he's not going to play till, like, January. I didn't know that.
You're like, oh, yeah, yeah. No, the man was a little like. Because there's a limit when you're on season opening ltir, you have to spend a certain amount of days and games on that ltir. But he was ready. Yeah, he was ready three weeks in, but he had to do the four weeks, you know. And if you're down there at Morning Skate, you're seeing him play with the team, you're like, that guy could play. Like, he's not any worse than Timmons.
I'm curious because, like, the, the, the Oilers have a ton of guys from Ontario in the gta and they're only here once a year. So, like, did you, like, were there a lot of people sticking around at Morning Skate?
Yeah. So it's actually funny you should bring that up because that's exactly what happens. So there is, there's sections that come to watch Morning Skate when it's game day. So the Edmonton Oilers have a giant section in the crowd that's. You're not allowed a certain amount past the lower bowl. I forget, like, if it's green or red or whatever it is, but there's a halfway point where security will send you back up. And these kids kept trying to go down further and further down the security, go back up to your parents kind of thing. They had a giant section of friends and family who came to watch morning skate. Oh, yeah. And it was bigger than I've seen for, like, Montreal was there that Saturday. Pittsburgh was there that Saturday. I think the Oilers had the biggest section for the morning skate there.
Almost their whole team is. Ohl guys.
Yeah.
Okay. Like, okay, who are. Who are the GTA guys? Off the top of my head? Hyman McDavid, Nurse Brown, Henrique. Like, that's just. Oh, Dermot was playing that game as well. It's ridiculous.
It's also bigger when it's Western Conference teams coming to Toronto because they only come the one time a year.
You get one shot at this.
Yeah. Yeah. So Zach Hyman, we were talking to him in the dressing room about that, and he was like, yeah, this is. I'm, like, paying to play today because I have so much friends and family come in, and all my brothers.
Well, I was about to say that's just family. He has four brothers and his dad. Yeah.
And they all have their families, you know, and kids and wives and all that fun stuff. So there's. It's a whole bunch of people. And yeah, every. Every morning skate, teams have their own contingent that they invite down to go watch it. It's a. It's a thing. There's a crowd.
There's more people that go to the game, the morning skate than you think.
So the NHL car watch. I was going through the DMs and everything, and somebody sent me one, but the story expired with. That's why I couldn't bring it up. And that's why I was trying to see if I can find it somewhere, the expired story, if it was on that player's Instagram or anything. But I'm going to do some more digging afterwards and see if I can bring it back up. But right now, it might be gone into the ether, which. Then you get zero tires out of five, right?
Yeah.
Because if you just did the NHL, then bring that up, Steve.
Luckily, I'm blind and I couldn't see it. I'm very distracted.
Oh, gosh. Okay. I know you're very dist. Distracted, but, yeah, you get zero tires out of five because your NHL car watch disappeared. But. So instead, we're gonna do Steve's favorite thing, and that's why he couldn't keep his eyes off of it. We're gonna do. Oh, yeah, Chicken fingers.
Hell, yeah. Oh.
This is from a Twitter user named Bill Crackman. He said, friend of mine had a VIP box for yesterday's UNLV game. That is the University of Las Vegas.
Oh. I was like, what team is unalive?
What is.
Oh, you know, okay, sorry.
University of. What's the end? Northern Las Vegas was you. And I don't. I don't even know what.
I don't know you. And I'll be all, look at the camera on me.
I don't freaking know.
They wrote, ordered a pizza.
University of Nevada, Las Vegas.
Nevada Las Vegas. Ok. Ordered a pizza and wings. Never realized what it was going to cost for this slope. $653. They treat the luxury suite guests like they're in a club with bottle service. There is the receipt of proof that they paid $653.
Outrageous.
Steve, as the connoisseur of chicken and pizza on this show, would you pay $600?
That's 190 on the receipt.
First American.
They look good, though.
Those are golden retriever. Sorry, rather golden doodle puppies. Those are not chicken fingers. Let me see. Wait. That bucket plus pizza is 600 bucks?
Yeah.
What else is there? Like, what else do I get?
You get the pizza. Let me see. One, one. One pizza box. The receipt says 300. The $300 pizza. One crispy chicken tenders, $150 subtotal, 490. No, $190. I guess that would be so. One crispy chicken tenders, 191 pizza, 300 subtotal, 490. Plus administrative charge, 112. Sales tax, $50 total. 650.
Is this where you go? Oh, I wanted to leave a tip, but you wrote thank you over the line, so I can't. Is that crap?
This is. This is the pizza.
It's a little burnt.
I like, part of it's pretty burnt. But no, that's.
Hey, man. Do you guys remember that time that we gave away a box seat with us at the Marley's game?
We ever told that story?
Well, I think it's. It's long enough that we can. We should.
We.
We used to do Marley's game day skates. And if you bought tickets to that, there was like. It was like kind of what we do with the Ohl now. Except we didn't do a live show. We just hung out with people and watched the game and we could skate on the ice beforehand. It was awesome. But they were like, hey, guys, you did a great job for us this year. A couple of times you want to have a box and you can give it away and your Seven listeners can join you. And we're like, yeah, sure, that sounds great. So we go. And these guys who showed up, I don't even know if they still listen, but they were just rip roaring before.
Pretty sure they do.
Do they?
Weren't they from like.
They were. They were. They were. They were hilarious.
Yeah, they were really. They were a great time.
And what do you do when you start drinking? You don't stop. So they just were crushing beers and eating food and that sort of thing. So. So we get to the end of the game and Steve and Jesse and I are about to leave. And you have to remember, this is before we started a company, before we had any major sponsorship deals outside of our lovely old friends at Panago. And they hand us the bill and it's $700. And we were like, we didn't know. We thought the box with the food was included in the box.
You didn't know?
It was not.
Well.
And Adam didn't tell me this. You acted cool as a cucumber because I guess they gave it to you.
Yes, they did.
And we're walking out. We're like in the parking lot. You're like, I just had to pay $700 for all the food. And I went, what?
And I'll tell you, I was not as cool. I was making more money than Jesse and Steve at that point. So it made sense that I would just take it and go. And I think that's what we did.
No, I think you and I split it.
Did we split it eventually? Like, I don't know. At the end of the day, I was like. It was one of those, like, we. That was back in the era when we got a. We got a photo shoot and. And the cost was 1400 bucks, which for a photo shoot, believe it or not, is pretty, pretty cheap for group shots and all that stuff. For like a big, like, professional one. We still use those photos. And, like, it almost killed us.
I was.
It almost killed us. So I was like that. So when they offered us the box the next year, we said, no, thank you.
I know. It was the same thing. I was like, wow, this is a pretty sweet deal.
Yeah.
That they gave us the box and they're just covering it.
In retrospect, I feel like MLSE could have afforded it, but, you know, no.
I think we learned a valuable lesson. And that is asking questions.
Yes.
Ask a lot of questions. Anyway, this is front. Knacks would never do that to us.
This is the menu at Alliance Stadium.
Oh, gosh.
This is for the Silver and black hospitality. The sweet menu. So this is where he ordered the 300 pizza and the 190 chicken fingers from. And if we can take a. We'll take a look at some of the other items. A farmer's market fruit plate, fruit display, $140. They claim it. It serves 10 people. A sushi sampler. Can you tell me how much the sushi sample?
Okay, so if pizza is $300, then the sushi sampler's got to be in the four.
Oh, did it come from the ocean?
Yeah, But I say 450. Jesse for 450.
Yes, it is on the screen, right? Yeah. She sampler.
Good job.
50.
Wow, that is a. I bet it's not even that much.
If you guys take a look at some of the warm appetizers. Buffalo chicken dip $150. Southwest nacho bar $170. The.
Okay, no nacho on earth is worth that.
Is this garden island or what?
Garden salad is 130.
So basically this is. This is your way of funneling your corporate profits into something that. That will get you more clients. But like a dry aged ribeye steak is $500American. Well like what are we. What. Who is buying this? Unless you're a corporation trying not to get taxed like that.
Turkey BLT sandwich. 150 is 150. All of their sandwiches are $150.
I got to understand the business case for this. We got to ball sub.
Can we. Is a buck 80.
Okay, we gotta bring this up with Alan on AP tomorrow because he always understands the business side of things. Alan, how does this work?
Because these sweets aren't cheap.
Right?
The sweets are tens of thousands of dollars.
Yes.
Fried roasted peanuts are $30.
That's great snack mix. $30.
Snack attack. Friggin right snack. A friggin heart attack. 90 bucks. No.
What did it say? Matt?
Wait. What is nostalgic candy for $85 assortment.
Of your favorite candies?
Man, I think we. What we need to do is we need to get on this show and call their hospitality people.
Silver and black hospitality.
Hey, we're SDPN and we're looking to buy a box seat. And can you explain some of these prices to us before we go ahead with this?
Our interests include money laundering. That's chicken fingers.
That is money laundering.
That is.
You can't tell me it's not. That is literally we need a corporate write off. Here it is. And we could bring our clients. Okay.
The drinks. A Coke, $30. Sprite. 30. All the drinks are the Regular pop.
Fanta orange is 30.
Powerade, $30. And a Monster Energy four pack, $40. That's $10, yo.
That's a deal. That's a deal.
It's not bad.
Can't even hate it.
For $30. You better give me so much Coca Cola that my pancreas hurts. Like, what?
Like, did Jesus pee in it? Why is that $30? A Coors Light is $50.
A Heineken is 60.
The wines now will end at. We're almost done.
What is the most expensive thing on this menu?
We must find it's gonna be one of the meals. I think it was one of the giant steaks.
It was. It's probably. It's either that or it's like a bottle of wine. But the steak was five cancelations.
Yeah. If you cancel, we burn down your house. Like, what it. Holy.
That is.
That's.
That's literally corporations going, hey, we're. We're. You know.
Or I wonder, Jesse, the main. Yeah.
I wonder if they make the box seats themselves really cheap. And so they get you in the door, and then they get you. They ding you on there.
There's no way.
I don't think anything's cheap.
No. Yeah, this is, like. I assume this is, like, for a Raiders game to get a box, like, it's got to be 10,000.
All that money. And Al Davis still has that haircut.
So all of these, like, this is eleven hundred dollars for any of these items from the Smokehouse Barbecue.
That is bonk. It's 10 people.
So even higher. The Silver and Black Steakhouse. If you order any of these, it's fifteen hundred dollars and it serves ten. Yeah.
So you're 150 bucks a person, which.
Actually is better than the 500.
Yeah, I would go with that. I think they're pushing you to that.
Yeah, the 500, like, dried each tomahawk steak is the ridiculous part, man.
Anyways, that's bonkers.
You better come with an actual tomahawk made of platinum. Holy hell.
We gotta do something with this. I think.
I think we call them.
Call them live.
I think we call them on the show.
Yeah, I can just feed my phone into this. We absolutely can dial it up.
I need to know. I need to know. And one of us has got to take a point on it. We can't be three of us.
Are we doing this right now?
No, Adam, we cannot do this right now.
Why not?
You want to do this right now? Why not?
Hold on.
Let me.
If I. If I can. If I can pull up Actually, their numbers are at the bottom here. I'm calling this number.
Okay. While Jesse's calling this number, can I promote some book stuff?
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
So November 22nd, obviously, I'm in Halifax. That's Chain Lake, Dartmouth. That one is 41 Micmac Blvd. Barry. Some people were confused about where the Barry One is. That is 33 Maple View Drive. December 4th, First Canadian Place. December 7th, Ottawa. That is Indigo, Pine Crest. Pine Crest Shopping Center. December 8th, Kingston Frontenacs. We're doing that event, obviously. Book signing in St. Catherine's that is Fairview Mall, 285 Geneva. In December 15th, the one in Burlington. Indigo, Burlington, Burlington Center, 777 Guelph Line. Jesse, are we calling the rich people?
I have the contact information.
Oh, my God.
Adam Wilde tomorrow on the show. Ok, you're going to be calling. I'm going to call Allegiant Stadium because you are. You're the rich one, right?
Yes, I know how to speak.
You know you and how to speak rich. So you're going to be calling Allegiance Stadium, premium seating, which is for the. He's twisting his mustache. Show it. Show it's more mobs.
Yeah.
You're going to be calling Allegiant Stadium premium, premium seating, which is the stadium sales for the Las Vegas Rangers.
Okay.
And you're going to ask for one of their suites and you're going to inquire about how you can get your company there down to Las Vegas because we're flying there for a work trip or something. Right. We're going to. We want to see the Raiders on some dm. You're going to ask for a suite and you get some pricing.
Yep.
Was that. Is that cool?
I'm so flipping down for this. All right, let's go as deep as we can go.
Let's go. So you're going to. We're going to call that number tomorrow.
Tomorrow morning.
Tomorrow morning. Yeah. On the radio show.
On the morning show. It's, it's. It's Dagger Wild Blake of the Wei.
In the morning.
In the morning. Flush. Anyway, hey, we love you. We'll see you tomorrow. It's going to be a good time, Steve. We'll see you at the parking lot in Halifax this weekend.
Can't wait. Cannot wait.
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