The Leafs Need To Move Someone After Robertson Signing.... But Who? | SDP
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- 12 Sep 2024
Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde and Jesse Blake discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs decision to sign Nick Robertson to a 1-year deal.
Here's what we know. Nick Robertson signed yesterday for $875,000. I am not an insider, but other insiders were Frank Cervales, I think, specifically. I think now nick Galberga also said that the leaves are going to explore potentially trading him. Now, I have to tell you that to me, that doesn't make a ton of sense. No.
Also, they announced it. It's not just they signed him. They're like, And we signed him, everybody.
Yeah, and on our Instagram.
And then nick announced it. He posted it on his Instagram with no emojis. But he's here. He's a leaf. Here he is in a jersey.
Listen, I get that he's not thrilled, but he will be when he starts putting goals. Now, it also seems odd that the leaves who have a history of RFAs running them over would sign this guy and then let him get what he wants. Here's the thing. Just to give you an idea of how bad it is, you're You think I'm talking about Marner or Matthews or Neiland or no, no, no, no. Connor Timpins makes $1.1 million. Rfas. Holy moly. Rfas have run this organization over for most of the last decade. Alex Kerfoot, 3.5 million, four years.
And There was not a ton of resume there.
No, there sure wasn't. There's lots of guys where you go, Why? Rfas have run this team over for years. Here's the opportunity to go, No, not doing it right after this point. To me, trading him now, especially when you're a little weak on the left side, doesn't make a lot of sense. I just don't get it.
Could it just be that he's still unhappy and they acquiesce to everybody's demands always, and when somebody's unhappy, they're like, Oh, yeah, let's get them out of here. Let's do the right thing. Could that be the organization just continuing to do the right thing for their guy?
No, the right thing is trying to ice the best team possible and win.
Yeah, but the right thing in terms of their relationship with this NHL player. It seems like they release always want to just be like-They do. Yeah, let's be nice and give them all this money. Trade them even though we shouldn't trade them. I like to think that's over.
I hope it's over. It doesn't feel like it.
No. The right thing to do is keep this guy who makes under 900 grand and you need a left winger.
Yeah, but they are. Are they? So here's the thing. I'm confused. The trade rumor right now... I have no reason to look at the report out there and be like, That's a bullshit report. They're making it up. But I'm going to say it is It just doesn't make sense. So one thing in the days leading up, I saw, not insiders, just regular old hockey fans on Twitter, go, He's going to sign for $875,000. Do you know why?
Because-that's all they have.
So Yanny Hockenpa. I cannot believe how many times over the last couple of months I've said that frigging name after saying it maybe a grand total of five times in my entire life. It's also very entertaining. It's a fun name. It's Yonni Hauke and Pa. I am so excited. Imagine he goes off for 20 goals. No, I'm kidding. So I'd be happy with three.
You could name your dog Yonni Hauke and Paz.
You're getting very distracted from the point. Hauke and Paz.
There it is. Sorry. Sorry to Yonni Hauke and Paz on the point. Here it is. Hauke and Paz is supposed to be making 1.5 million, right? That's right. That's been rumored since July first. Yep. 1.5 million. Big money, Hock. The Leaps have $400,333 in cap space, according to Puckpedia, after the nick Robertson signing. That means they need to make up exactly 1.1, almost exactly 1.1 million. Connor Timmins makes 1.1 million. Bury him in the minors or wave him and he gets claimed. Done. You get nick Robertson under contract, 875. Hock and ball, 1.5. Done. Perfect. You have exactly $333.
I think that's great.In cap space.I think that's great. But...
And it's all solved and all good and all great. And now they have two guys on PTOs, and I'm like, Wait, maybe I don't understand anymore.
But the thing you outlined isn't their plan at all, because the plan is to sign Max Pettriotti to a contract by the time his PTO is over, and Steven Lawrence could easily make this team. So there's more roster moves to come.
You put it exactly the way I would put it. Lawrence, I like, and I think has a chance to make this team. Cj said... Do you have the CJ tweet up?
Sure.
He wasn't just like, Oh, yeah, he's going to come on a PTO, and we'll see what happens. That's not what he said. That's not what he said at all. As I stall.
The Lawrence one or the Patches one? The Patches one. Yeah, the Patches one. Here you go.
What do you say? Max Patchereddy will attend Leifs training camp on a PTO. If that was it, I'd be like, Well, we'll see. Then he says, expect him to sign a contract before the season.
Patch already is on this team.
Someone has to go. Well, if he does his PTO and he looks terrible in preseason, he won't be signing that contract.
I think he's on this team either way. I agree with you. They just need the roster moves to do it.
Well, someone not named Connor Timmins. Connor Timmins is the free space. He's gone.
They can't afford him.
He's gone. Someone currently on this team can't be on this team anymore.
Yeah, they actually have people fighting for roster spots, which I think that's great.
Do you want to play Who's That going to be? Sure. So I'm going to list a name. I'm just going to go down the roster on Wikipedia, and you're going to guess who that's going to be, and you're going to say yes or no. Okay. Austin Matthews.
Maybe. No.
William Neillander. No. John Tavares. No. Mitch Marner. No. Max Domi. No. David Kompf.
Maybe.
Calleigh Yarncroke.
Maybe, but here's my question. Everyone's like, Oh, just get rid of Kompf problem solved. Who are your penalty killers, and who's taking face offs on the penalty kill?
Kompf, it should be better than he is. I want him to play better, but he's also been very useful over the last couple of years.
Well, in very specific situations. Yeah, absolutely. Do we want Austin Matthews- I'm not confident in his play outside of that. But here's what I'll say to that, Steve and Jesse. Conf does one thing, and that's actually two things. He takes short-handed face-offs, and he is your Johnny on the spot when you need someone to win a face-off in overtime, especially the opening face-off. No, I think what you have- Who's taking all the short-handed face-offs? Yarn Croke can. Yarn Croke can. Steven Lawrence, I think they maybe- He can. They want to see what he can do. He can. I'm not sure what his face off percentage is.
Kevin Stenland was his center. He can play center, but he's probably in the NHL a winger.
Yeah, I think that that deal. And also not under contract. That deal probably is not under contract. That deal needs to go.
So someone needs to go if Patcheready signs. If Patcheretti and Lawrence sign, two people need to go.
We've sat on David Kompf as a maybe. He's a maybe. Yarn Croke.
Maybe.
Okay. He's too useful. People forget, man. He is useful. He's not great at anything.
He's not. But at 2.1 million, a guy who bags 15, 20 every year- Can play center, plays effective wing, plays defense. Every forward position? Yeah.
Like defensive, sit forward.
I'm sorry. That's worth- 2.1 million? I feel like we've gone back in time where we're nickel and diamond claiming the utility guys again when the real problem is you have four guys making $4.5 billion.
But let's get- No, but since you're committed to having four guys making $4.5.
Billion, I I think Yarn Croke at 2.1 is useful, but you might not be able to afford him.
So he's a no. Oh, so he's a maybe. He's a maybe. Okay, you're putting it in the maybe. We got two names who might leave this team by the time training camp is over. Conf and Yarn Croke. Let's continue. Reeve. Thelefs.
Yeah, maybe.
He's bearable.
Yeah, you just run him through wait.
I just don't think that's going to happen. I think they want him.
I think too many of you guys like him.
Well, I've seen so many people be like, why don't the leaf, simply do this? Because they don't want to. That's why they don't want to. Is he in the no? No, he's still on the maybe.
Okay, so we got three guys. Mcmahon? No. No. Duhre? No. Nice. Maybe. Duhre?
I'll say maybe. If If Kompf goes, Duhre is your Kompf replacement.
Right. And I think that's why they got him, because they need another guy to take face-off shorthand. He's not maybe great at it, but he's a good A penalty killer?
This is the thing. He's half the price, but he's also just not as good, guys.
He's not. It's crazy.
So far, we've built a list of four names who could leave this team by the end of training camp. Okay. Nye is no. No. Robertson?
I mean, you have to put him in maybe.
So he's five? Yeah. Humberg?
Maybe. 800 grand. I don't think they want to get rid of him. But also, there's a real good chance he doesn't make the team, and then you got to waive him.
Okay, so that's six guys?
I would so much rather... I'd rather look into trades for almost anyone that I listed as a maybe. I'd rather trade any one of them or lose them on waivers than Humberg.
He's like six of six. If you're ranking them. Yeah. Yeah. And then on D, Reilly, Tanev, OEL, Timmy, McCabe, Ben-Oh. Lilligran, I...
Dude, okay. Listen, if Hock and Paul wins a spot, It's not Benoît that's out. He's a lefty. It's not McCabe that's out. It's Lilligran.
He's going to be making $3 million, and he might be a healthy scratch this year and next year.
And OEL, by the way, OEL is going to run PP2. I think they're going to spread the power play over two lines rather than load up one. And you look at Timothée Lilligran. And so what was being said yesterday about nick Robertson when it came to be trade? Well, they needed to sign him because an acquiring team, if the players, if you acquire an an RFA, you lose basically all your leverage. We did this with Jonathan Bernier back in the day. Who remembers that? That was fun, right? You trade for an RFA, and the RFA goes, Well, you clearly really want me. You're going to meet my price.
You already spent an asset. You're not just going to lose that asset for nothing and not sign me. I wanted that thing I want.
The least have done this 45 times. What is Timothy Lilligran, guys? Former first-round pick, 24 years old, slight underperformance, signed for two years at a manageable hit, right, Right-shot defenseman. Why would you trade nick Robertson and get a fourth rounder? Listen, and it doesn't have to be... I mean, maybe it does have to be by training camp, or you could waive one of the other guys and bury them because a lot of people just go through waivers and don't get claimed. But if you want to trade somebody, right shot D midseason, that's pretty valuable.
It's a good argument.
Right shot, and you can sell it like this, whether or not it's true, buck moving defenseman. Right shot, playmaking potential PP2 quarterback, Timothée Lilligran to you, Rebuilding team.
The old P-word.
All I'm saying- It follows them around. It's certainly... And listen, how... What did you think? Now, listen, for the last three years, I've been seeing people online go, This could be the year that Timothée Lilligran breaks out. It could be.
Now I understand how Bill Murray feels.
With each passing year- It's Groundhog Day. With each passing year, that percentage of likelihood goes further and further down.
What am I What am I doing here this morning? What am I doing in this building? Jesse, just upload last year's- You're out on Lilligan. Upload last year's season preview. Here, we can do some anime dubs. When I say, Hey, but the real question Can Reilly have sex? Can Reilly have success? I mean, he can. No, he can. We know that.
Tessa was pregnant, right?
No, she gave birth?
Oh, congrats.
So it's happened at least once.
There you go. We got to do Reilly Carwatch, by the way. Oh, yes. We're going into that. We got to check in on NHL. Nhl Carwatch? It's our new car. It's a new car watch.
Oh, gosh.
Oh, no. We're going to have a fun here with NHL Car Watch. I want to get the segment-Tessy and I have sponsored. Jesse came up with the segment-Oh, because I accidentally said sex. All right. No, it was from last show. We're talking about Stutzland.
We're so off track. Okay.
What are you trying to say? Can Reilly have success with, and then when I say T. J. Brody, just dub me into Chris Tanev.
The Atlanta Falcons from The Simpson.
Is Timothée Lilliegrin going to be in the lineup every night, or is he going to be pushed out by Yonnie Hockenpah? John Clingberg. You know what?
It's good to keep star talent, but I don't know if they can afford at least half a dozen players on this roster.
Well, so the great thing is, is what Lou Lamrell always said, which is if you have time, use it. And they do.
They got a month. You know what? It'll be interesting to see if Craig Berube has success with this team. And if he doesn't have success, can you really blame him? Because he just got here. Holy shit. We've built a list, though. Holy shit, these guys.
Of eight players who, by the start of the season, might not be on the Toronto Maple East. That's right. If you want me to run it down- There's nothing wrong with it. I think that's good. Connor Timmins, Timothée Lilligren.
Timothée Lilligren.
Timothée Lilligren. We'll go to Nicky Bob's on that list. Sure. Duer, Reeves, Yarncroke, Conf. That's seven. My bad. Seven. Did you say Holmberg? Oh, and Homenberg. There's the eight.
Because he might get waived.
I think- I don't want that to happen. I don't want to go down this road. But is that a result of- If you bring up April, you have so many guys locked up to the giant money that there's so many- No.
I'm starting an April jar.
Let me just finish. It's not about April. It's about you have this top-end guys locked up, that you have so many transient players that it leaves you at a point at the end of training camp where eight different guys could leave this team because so much of the salary gap- But they're not all eight at once.
No. It might be one or two. And by the way, that's normal. A lot of teams do that. The issue with the Leifs in previous years is we basically went in and we're like, who's going to play right wing on the fourth line? Everybody else is locked up. I like that there's competition..