It's Nailing the Apex, Tim Horeani, Adam Wild, and Jack Crawford, a name that you don't already know. I know the hardcores know. But if you don't know Jack Crawford, you're going to get to know him. You're going to get to know him today, and this will not be the last time you hear this name. Trust me on that. Jack, before we get started, I want to know your official title within the Aston Martin program. When you're asked to introduce yourself, what's the title? How do you talk about it?

Sorry, I lost it for about five seconds.

Oh, that's great.

No, it's perfect. I didn't hear the question.

No. So my question was, when you are asked to introduce yourself, your title within the Aston Martin Driver Program What is the actual title? How do you introduce yourself?

That's a tricky question. I would call myself a member of the Young Driver Development Program for Aston Martin. Acid Martin Aramco. There we go.

There you go. I like that. I love that you got Aston Martin Aramco in there, too. We got to get the sponsors.

Jack, so you had the opportunity to drive the 2022 car yesterday in your hometown, Houston, Texas. What was that like? I mean, was the ride height really high? Because those roads can't be that smooth, man.

Yeah, I'm still buzzing from yesterday. It was such a cool experience. It was such a fun and great day. But yeah, absolutely enjoyed the day, like I said. And, yeah, about the roads, they were bumpy. And I think you realize how the tracks So the cars are made for the cars, and even the bumpy tracks are nothing compared to what it's like on the road, even if we raised the ride heights and everything, it still... So, yeah, it was quite the I've never experienced, but it was my first time doing something like that, and it was really cool, honestly.

What was the fan reaction like?

It was a lot cooler than I thought it would be. Like I said, I'd never done any demo runs. I had actually never even done any donuts in any type of car before. And we arrived at the Dioramico headquarters here in Houston. I remember I did one run. There were probably 100, 150 people on the first run. I was like, all right, that's already a lot of people that came out of the building. And then we took a 10-minute break, and then we went again. And there was probably like triple the amount of people. Wow. So many people just standing out there and watching. It was really, really cool to see.

The Donuts, Jack, back in the days, when I used to race Champcar Atlantic and all that stuff, you cranked the break bias all the way to the front, and then you just stamp on the break pedal and use your right foot to accelerate just a bit, turn some steering lock in and around you go. What do you do in a Formula One car? How do you get the thing to do a donut?

Yes. So I I had a little thing going. I got pretty good at it. So I was always grabbing the clutch quickly, dropping it. And then I just jabbed the throttle a little bit just to start my spin. And then as soon as I got into a rhythm, it was super easy. But it was actually quite tricky to find the rhythm because you have so much power. The car just wants to shoot to the other side. So it's hard to keep it really tight and in a proper circle.

I know it was just a demo run, but they always talk about the differences between these F2 cars and the F3 cars and then the F1 cars, right? And the learning curve, when everybody was so blown away with what Ali Beermann did in Saudi Arabia with that Ferrari because it was his first time using that. In that run, did you have to adjust to certain things that you just don't have in F2?

Yeah, I remember. So I have driven the car before, but it's been a while. And I remember we were on the street filming in the morning, around 7:00 in the morning, and we had basically a two-lane highway for ourselves for about three kilometers. And so I was following the truck at first, I was 60 miles per hour. And then they told me to blast past them. And I just remember how I put my foot down. And there was so much power so much torque. It was just a reminder of how much power I had underneath me at the time.

The car just explodes, eh?

Yeah. I had to make sure not to get too much wheel spinning, crash over any bumps or anything.

Yeah, of course. Yeah, I guess that would be something. Yeah, you got to look out for that.

Jack, we wanted to talk to you a bit about F2 and your F2 program so far. But first, I wanted to ask you about the cars because I Obviously, this is a new generation of F2 car that's come in for this season. It really does look like a lot of the top teams having a little bit of difficulty really trying to figure out this F2 car at this moment. I'm sure once we get into next season, things will get back to normal. But what are you finding with the F2 car? Is this one really tricky to drive compared to last year's iteration?

Yeah, it's not so much that I think it's tricky to drive. I think it's more tricky to set up. With this more ground effect aspect, it's harder to get it into the right window with the right height. And the best teams, I think, have gotten I think for me, from my experiences, the inconsistencies have come from that thing, and as well, the tires. I think everyone, of course, had been running the same car for about six years at that point or five years. So everyone's used to it. So there's so many... I feel like there's a couple learning curves. The actual driving experience is pretty much exactly the same, same exact engine, just the cars a bit Different. It has a couple of different tendencies, but more or less, you drive it the same. So it's more putting yourself in the right window with car set up and stuff.

And I'm looking at your stats here. Just total blanket stats here. It seems like you got a couple more races to go, 24 races in. And we're talking about right now an eight-place improvement in your score, right? Thirteen to five, if my math's right. My math is horrible. That has to feel really good at basically the top level in the sport underneath Formula One. That's a huge improvement. What do you attribute that to?

Yeah, a couple of things. Yeah, it's been a good season for sure. I must admit, even I feel like it almost feels like a bad season in a way because I feel like I've been very fast at times. But of course, it's been a good Good season, but sometimes it can feel that it's been bad because we've been so fast at times, but it's not turned anything. But I think that's always racing. But yeah, I mean, compared to last year, there's a couple of things, I think. I think, of course, the more experience always helps. A year in the category, learning the tricks to the tires and the tracks with the car. So So stuff like that, that's always very important, especially the tire management stuff and how to prepare them in the right window for qualifying. That's one of the most important things that I think has helped. As well, I switched teams from high tech to dams, which was, I think, the biggest thing for me. It suited me a lot more, dams did. And so I was able to learn a lot more about the car. I was able to learn a lot more about the setup, and it helped me have a better understanding of what I was doing, why I was doing it, and then in turn, was making me just overall understand a bit more what's going on.

Man, that dams team, they're really good, man. They are. I've followed them for a really long time, and they always have competitive cars. Just want to ask you a little bit about what it was like being away from home. I mean, first of all, this Texas sunshine is no joke, Jack. I mean, if you can tell by my forehead from here up, it's representing tomato action, but not really. I got cooked today, man. The sun here is no joke. Being How do you get away from home for just so long, I guess, how do you deal with it being away from family and friends? Because it can't be easy.

Yeah, no. I feel like it's been in my life a long time, so I feel like that's probably why it's been a bit easier since I can even remember. Even when I'm a 10, 11 years old, always traveling to go car races around the country and doing the four-day weekends for racing, Thursday through Sunday. I feel like I've been doing that for a very long time. Actually, then when I fully committed to racing in Europe, it was definitely different. It was definitely tricky, but I think it was just almost normal at that point. Obviously, I had to get over the hurdle that I was a tower flight from my family and all that, which was a bit different. So I've had to learn and fend for myself a little bit. But no, it's turned out good now. So we got overall the learning, the learning hurdle, and it's turned into a proper job now for me.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. I'm looking back for your... As far back as what? We're talking, what, 2017, 2016, you were racing in Europe and different programs and that thing. I look at your place of birth, Charlotte, North Carolina, home of the Charlotte Motor Speedway. So listen, since we're North Americans, give me your top three favorite tracks in North America that you've raced. And then I also want to know what you love or what you don't like about the Charlotte Motor Speedway, because it is legendary.

Okay. So, yeah, top three tracks. I really like Road America, Laguna Seca, obviously. Those are some of the best. I think every person would say that. Are we going for North America? America or America? Because I might have- North America works. Mexico City is a good one. I've raced there before. I always like that track. Those are my three.

Me, no love for Walk'n's Glen? Walk'n's Glen?

Yeah. I've never driven Walk'n's Glen.

Oh, you never have?

Oh, dude, you need to drive Walk'n's Glen.

I love it on the simulator. I love it. It's so much fun.

Sorry, Adam. Go ahead. You were saying Yeah, tell us about Charlotte.

Yeah, so I've raced at the Charlotte Motor speed by a lot.

I used to do legend cars, so we raced on the quarter mile in the oval. Is it three things I don't like or three things I don't like?

No, just anything. Tell us about it. What's it like to drive?

Well, in the quarter mile, it's pretty easy. It's all just turning left. But Don't let NASCAR fans hear that, Jack.

You can't say that out loud.

But I have driven this... I mean, we did pretty much a roval for the quarter mile. That was lots of fun. When we did the road courses at Charlotte Motor Speedway, that was tons of fun. I don't really have anything bad to say about it, to be honest. Perfect. They have great garages, Bojanals. They got Bojanels there, which is great. I don't have too much to say. It's a nice area around it. They got some good food, which is important.

I love that.

No Bojanels in Europe, dude.

No way.

You need to bring one there. That's what you need to do. You need to take one to the UK.

I don't think it would fit in. I don't think it would fit into the culture.

That's awesome, man. So next season, you're back in Formula 2. So that just got announced not too long ago. So you're coming back with dams. So I guess for me, that ladder system to get to F1 is always extremely challenging. And to be in Formula 2, you learn a lot. And coming into this next season, what's the one thing you think that you need to improve upon when you're entering next season? And what's the one thing you think you got in the bag You can do better than others.

Yeah, I think to improve on would be definitely consistency across the races. I think for me, I want to prove to myself, and I haven't found it yet, or I'd be good at it, but that I can, across all 14 rounds that we do over the year, that I can fight for wins at every single one of them. So I think obviously that also leads to doing well in the championship so that those, obviously, align with themselves. And then, yeah, I think I have a huge upper hand already on the tire management stuff, which I think, of course, I'll just be always... Even in my second year, even I'm still learning so much. I can't even imagine a third year, how much better I'd be at at that stuff. I guess that, I mean, you wouldn't be so much... I'd say it wouldn't be a huge, massive step in performance, but I feel like it would definitely help the consistency side of it as well. That's the biggest strength I see is understanding the tires and stuff.

Now, we got a big race this weekend, and we've been dying for some races. And it's so great to be at this track. As you can tell, Tim was out in the sun all day. He's got the nice sunglasses tan. It's beautiful. Look how good he looks. Look how handsome he looks. No, but so, Jack, I want to ask you, obviously, you're a race fan as much as we are. You're analyzing these guys on a level that a guy like me who is not a professional driver, cannot relate to. When you look at the title fight between Max and Lando, okay, and you look at the way that Max started in a way that Lando and Oscar, I really have to say, took over during the summer, what What do you see in that battle? What for you is the most exciting thing about that battle as a driver?

Yeah, it's quite interesting. I think two of the top people in the sport at the moment, for sure. I mean, Lando is beating Oscar at the moment. Oscar is no slouch, obviously. Yeah, no kidding. So they're both doing a great job. Obviously, now, McLaren has a bit of a better car, it seems, than Red Bull at the moment. They seem to be struggling. I think from the driver's side, I think it's two of the best that will do anything to win. So it could come down to... It could get a bit spicy at times. I wouldn't be surprised. But yeah, it's great to watch. I mean, the past three years, ever since 2021, have been pretty boring in terms of the title fight.

Hey, at least somebody said it. Yeah.

The title fight has been pretty boring, so it's great to see, honestly.

Now, Tim, going into this weekend, because Jack and Tim, I want to ask you both. You both are drivers. I want to know what we're in for as we preview this race. What car do you think? And by the way, Jack, you don't have to have the same answer as Tim on this one.

What car do you think? Jack's got room service. Hold on.

Yeah. Oh, there you go. You got food coming in, Jack?

No, okay. Thank you very much.

What would you order, Jack?

Please tell me it's a burger and fries.

You guys are both drivers, so you can break this down in a way I think that nobody else can, right?

This This is what's so cool about having you on, Jack. To preview this weekend, first off, and your answers can differ, whose car is going to perform the best in Austin? What team has the edge here?

From my side, I would say McLaren would have the edge just because I remember they've been very strong on all the curb ridings and bumpy sections of track. And Austin over the years has gotten really bumpy. So I would say they'd probably have the best package to start the weekend. I would say, just based on those facts. But I know a lot of teams are bringing some big upgrades.

Tim, what are your thoughts? I was just going to say that. I'm not too sure what Red Bull is bringing just yet, but I have a feeling it's going to be a new front wing. I have a feeling it's going to be a flexier front wing within the limits, obviously.

What gave that away, Tim?

Just got a hunch. I just think that it may happen this weekend. It'll be interesting to see, though. But I think it's a big weekend for Red Bull, though. They have to find a way of fighting back at some point. Sometimes I come into these weekends and I'm just waiting for Red Bull to throw that one haymaker. That's just going to end it. It's just like, I haven't seen it. And you haven't seen it from Max. Obviously, the car has been difficult to drive. And he's been able to squeeze a lot of performance out of that car, which is pretty spectacular. And the level that he's at is amazing. But I'm just going to be curious to know some of these upgrades, especially Red Bulls, because I think they're cooking up something. But will it be big enough to overcome whatever McLaren has? That'll be the question, I think, Adam.

What other teams are bringing upgrades? And Jack, if it's Aston Martin and you can't say that's okay.

Is he bringing upgrades? Yes.

Maybe, probably. I don't know what teams are official and what teams aren't official.

I know I've seen the Red Bull stuff I have. But that's the only one I've seen. So maybe you guys can help me out.

Tim, what do you got?

Do you know anything? I don't want to get in too much trouble, but I think Aston is bringing some stuff for this weekend. Possibly. Yeah, I can't really say what.

Look at the two of you being all cagey.

What is this? No, wait, dude, are you getting in trouble?

It's like I'm at an eighth grade dance. Be like, go ask her to dance. What's the problem? You guys are just giggling in the corner. You So this is where... This is fun for me, by the way. I'm enjoying this. When you have a bumpy course and you're bringing upgrades, so the car is going to feel different. As a driver, How do you find the new level? How do you find the new limit of the car? How do you feel comfortable in a car, especially at an uncomfortable and extremely hot track?

That's a good question for Jack, because I with this new era of young drivers, and we've talked about it on the show before, Adam, they get to grips with everything just so much faster now than what we used to be able to get the grips with. We used to get lots of practice. Well, the Formula One does get a lot of practice, but a lot of laps. You go into FP1, FP2, you're lucky if you're going to get 20 laps, and it's like, may not be enough. So yeah, that'd definitely be a good question, obviously, for Jack. And then with Austin, clearly, they've They've resurface the track here. I'll be curious to see, Jack, if it's going to be as bumpy as it used to be.

Yeah, I didn't know if they resurface or not. But all the drivers in the teams, nowadays, they're able to work on the simulator and stuff, which I think is a big help. I think this simulator era for the drivers has been huge. How accurate they've been able to get it, how they can apply the upgrades and already have a feel of what it's going to be like. They can put in conditions, certain grip conditions, certain track temperature conditions, wing conditions. You can do it all. So I think that's also a big thing. And it just gives the drivers a better understanding and a good feeling to say when they go for their first lap in practice, they'll be able to push the limit, let's say 5 % more than if they weren't able to have that practice. Yeah.

And so, Jack, you're on a team, which at the top of this team is Lance Stroll and Fernando Alonso. When you watch a guy like Fernando Alonso, have you had the chance to sit down with him, talk to him, shake his hand? Anything yet?

Yeah, not properly. I've shaken his hand, but I've never properly sat down and have a chat. I mean, the drivers, they're so busy on the weekends, man. It's crazy. But no, both of them are great. I mean, I sit in the engineering meetings and stuff when I'm at the track and always listening them, and they always say hi when they walk in. So that's about all it goes to in terms of communication with them. I mean, I get to listen to them and listen them speak about their feedback and stuff.

What do you take from those meetings? When you're hearing Lance, who's, I think, coming up on 200 races here, Fernando- Fernando is coming up on 400.

It's wild.

Just a wild number. They must give feedback in a way that you're like, Man, I hadn't even thought about that. What kinds of things do you learn from those meetings?

I'm just trying to look at different angles, different things I haven't, let's say, thought about before or things that can be like, All right, I didn't think about it that way, but I can feel that. I know what that is and some different ways to describe some things as well. That's always helpful just to have a bigger... More knowledge is always better. Yeah, of course. A little bit of understanding of all this. And as well, just to learn from the engineer engineers as well, what they say. I obviously work with my engineers in that, too, but also what they say, what they do when they're struggling with certain aspects of the car. So I think that's also very good to I'm listening to as well.

When you see different driving styles, Jack, and I mean, obviously, you're being exposed to quite a few different driving styles as you make your way up through the ladder system. But once you get into F1, you can still And see that each driver does have their own style. Did you look at that and look at the data and scratch your head being like, how is that even possible?

Yeah. It's interesting always to see data. Fernando, for instance, he's driven so many different types of cars, and he's been able to adapt to every kind. The F1 has changed massively since he came in the sport over 20 years ago. So it's interesting to see how he adapts to things and his driving approach. I think on the data and stuff, it's not so clear. It's pretty, you'd say, Oh, that's normal. But I think year to year would be more impressive to see for sure.

Right. Now, Jack, I know we are running... You've been so gracious with your time here, and I know we are running a little low on it. But I did want to ask you before we go, for anybody that's been introduced to you over this interview or was aware of you before, obviously, we're happy that you're finding more people every day and that you're finding more success every day. What's the next goal in your mind? Is it to win F2 in 2025? I can't believe we're at 2025 already, by the way. I'm feeling very old. Jack, I know you're only 19, man, but it happens fast, I'm telling you. It happens real fast. It's scary. All of a sudden, I'm going to be... I'm 36. So I want to know from you, is it okay, now the focus is win F2, and then the focus after that is what is it? So what's 2025 for Jack Crawford?

Yeah, I still have some goals for this year. I mean, we still have two more races. It's not over yet.

Oh, I know. Exactly. Exactly. Well, what are the goals for this year? Let's finish that off. What do you want to do?

Yeah. I would love to finish the year in the top three. That'd be great. That's my goal.

And you can.

I can. I'm not too far. I think just a bit over 20 points, possibly from third, which is feasible, of course. So that's possible. And then going forward, I think that, obviously, my main goal, my main objective is to be in F1. I would love to race in F1, win in F1. That'd be great. And I think the best way to get there, of course, is by winning F2 next year. I think that's the best way. You can You can put yourself in conversations just by winning races and winning championships. I think that's the best and easiest way, I think. And that's the thing I have to do for sure.

Yeah. And it's the fact that there's four rookies entering F1 this year. Does that get you excited? Because it seems like lots of spaces are opening up for young guys like you.

Yeah, it's great. I hope they can do well, of course, because I think I've shown I can compete with them and race with them. I hope they do well, so it definitely makes me look better. So I'm hoping they do well. And for sure, it's cool to see Even someone like Ollie when he raced earlier this year, or Franco immediately doing well in the car. So of course, that's great to see. And it just also proves to me that with the right opportunity, with the right preparation, then I could as well do the same as them.

Tim, any other questions?

No, I just want to thank you for your time, Jack. I really appreciate it, man. I really appreciate you taking the time to sit down and do this with us. I'll be in the paddock this weekend, so I'll I'll drop by. I'll see you around. Yeah, I'll drop by. Say hi. Introduce myself in person. You can see how red this actually is. Just going to say, look for the guy who forgot his sunscreen, Jack.

I'll have some for you.

Maybe some Aramco-labeled green sunscreen for Tim. But Jack, you're a real pleasure, man. It's nice to meet you. We wish you all the best for the last few races of the season. And in 2025, we'll be for you on a personal level now.

Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

So that was Jack Crawford from Dams, a Formula 2 driver, fifth place right now, wants to finish in the top three. We're excited for him. And next year, you just never know. Other notable Dams drivers include Tim, favorite of yours.

Nicholas Latifi.

Nicholas Latifi. Who won a lot of races with them.

He did. Yeah, he won a lot. A lot, yeah. He finished P2 in the Championship, vice champion in 2019. Yeah, not bad. Yeah, they're a good team. Got to see how they work with Nicolas back in the day. And they're very well run and very well structured. And I think that as a young driver, that's where you want to be, either with them or with a team like Prema, who is... Prema is probably one of the best junior teams in all of that ladder system. And then obviously, Prema going to be running an Indy car next year. But he's on a good team. He's going to learn a lot there. And you know what? Look out for him next season, man. He actually really impressed me this year because I wasn't too sure how this year was going to go, considering with the way the car has been, how tricky it's been. And he's been really impressive. So yeah, I'm excited to see what he can do next year, Adam. I honestly think that he can fight for a championship next season for sure.

Which is very cool, and that would be very exciting for me. He's had to change programs and all that stuff from the Red Bull program to the Aston Martin. That's not easy. He's 19. He just did interviews for 48 hours and then had to sit down with us for another half an hour. The guy's busy, man. I really appreciated how honest he was. And for 19, to not be shy, I have a ton of respect for that.

Dude, I wish I was like that when I was 19. I probably would have said something stupid.

I know I would have said something stupid. I was stupid. I was pretty stupid. So obviously, not that much has changed. But Tim, the race this weekend, we talked a little bit about Jack, but Sorry, with Jack, but I wanted to take five minutes to just say, Okay, so we got the US GP. We haven't raced in a month. What are you expecting to see? Obviously, we hinted at a potential Aston Martin upgrade. You think Red Bull will bring a flexing wing. What else are we expecting to see? Is Ferrari or Mercedes a potential sleeper to win this race and steal it out from under Red Bull and McLaren? What are your thoughts on it?

Yeah, I think you are going to have four teams in contention for race victory and also podiums as well, because we've had three weeks off here, Adam, and that's a long time that these teams can actually go and work on stuff, right? This is where we're at. Teams are going to be bringing stuff, man. They're all going to bring stuff. It's just how big of a step is it? Does it work? And then how are the drivers? How comfortable are they with these upgrades? Is everybody able to get the right ride heights, right amount of tire temperature, make sure they limit their mistakes, all of these different things just coming back into play, which should be an exciting finish to this season, Adam. I really I do believe it's going to come down to the last race of the season for the drivers, and it could also come down to the last race of the season for at least three teams in the constructor standings.

Yeah. Ferrari is still in it. Yeah, for sure.

A hundred %.

You mentioned the knockout punch from Red Bull. It seems that if they're going to do that, and this is a good track to do it at. Yeah, it got to be now. You want to get it... What's that?

It's got to be now. Yeah.

It does have to be now. Otherwise, the gap is going to be too close. And I wonder how much of that knockout punch rests not with Max, but with Sergio.

I think- And his performance. Yeah. I I think for the constructors, yes. I mean, a lot of this has to ride on Sergio Perez's shoulders. For the drivers, I honestly just think, Adam, it's coming down to Lando and Max, and those two are just going to go toe to toe from here on out. I think Singapore was a perfect example of what that's going to look like from those two. I mean, can other teams get in the mix, like throw a wrench into Max's plans? I mean, absolutely. Other drivers can as well. Will Sergio? I highly doubt it. I mean, he's got his own problems he's going to have to deal with here, Adam. You got Liam Lawson, who they're testing out now to see if they're going to use him to replace Sergio for next year. Because let's face it, that's what this is for Liam. They're just seeing what they got, seeing if he's going to be good enough to replace Sergio for next year, because they are definitely going to need a second driver who is close to Verstappen's level, because next year, Adam, I mean, forget about it. It's going to be off the charts, just completely off the charts, how competitive it's going to be for the drivers' Championship and the constructors as well.

But for this weekend, I I really feel like this is the weekend where Red Bull, either they're just throwing a hale Mary with new components and just hoping that it works.

Right. And that's always fun. We like a hale Mary. That's dramatic and awesome.

Yeah, it's exactly what it is, right? I mean, football reference, obviously, we're here in Texas, and there is a big- That's right. Absolutely. There's a big Longhorns game this weekend, Adam, on Saturday, but I digress. But yeah, this definitely has to be it. So whatever it is they're going to be bringing has to be what gets them back on the right track and has to be what's going to allow Max to land one of those just killer shots, right?

Right. And I just want to quickly touch on Mercedes before we go here, just because I did bring them up. They had a really strong end of the summer. And then, while they were really strong going into the break, I guess. Then they haven't been as strong since. They've been okay. They've been good moments and that thing, but the consistency hasn't been there, getting them back to the podium all the time. What do you expect from them this weekend? Because it has been a summer-sized break since we saw a race.

Yeah, just try to get back to where they were, right? I mean, obviously, it seems like they dipped off a bit there when we came back from summer break, and it hasn't really smooth sailing for them whatsoever. But I honestly think that this three weeks is going to help a lot of the teams. It could hinder some of the teams, and we could see some big turnarounds because of this three week break. Now, it's very important to point that out just because that's all the teams have to focus on for this three weeks. It was just working on components, working on parts for the car, trying to make sure that they're going to work when they bring them to the car, to the track, and then that's it. They're not having to fly around the world, race. They're not having to split resources. They're not having to worry about any of those things. All they had to focus on, all of these teams had to focus on, Adam, is just getting right components to finish this season strong.

Okay. All right. Well, it's going to be an exciting race. Tim is down at the US GP. It'll be sad without Daniel Ricardo. It'll be He always makes a great entrance. And by the way, the picture on Instagram with the retirement hat, apparently, was just a joke, which is pretty obvious. I think that's a hilarious hat, though. Maybe one day we see him back in Austin in a different series.

He actually has a pop-up shop here in Austin for this weekend. It's on... Yeah, for those who are listening to the pod or going to the race this weekend, I think if you check out, I think it's on his Instagram, but he has a pop-up shop, this downtown Austin that's opening Friday and Saturday. It opens at 10:00 AM on Friday, 11:00 AM on Saturday. And so, yeah, you can go down there and grab some of his enchanté gear.

I love it. I love it. Well, Tim, have a great time, man. I'm going to try not to bug you all weekend long, but very excited, and we'll chat again on Monday, okay?

Sounds good, Adam. Thanks again doing this, man.